mraynrand
10-09-2018, 11:01 AM
On another thread, someone indicated the Browns and Packer have the same record but vastly different trajectories.
John Dorsey (now Cleveland GM, as if you didn't know) 'famously' is on record as saying that to be a successful team, you have to have the following five players, meaning, you pretty much need pro-bowl level talent at these positions (what follows is a comparison with the Packers):
Team Browns Packers
QB: Baker Mayfield (R) Aaron Rodgers (13)
Left Tackle: Desmond Harrison (Rfa) David Bakhtiari (5)
Pass Rusher Myles Garrett (2) none
Cornerback: Denzel Ward (R) Jaire Alexander (R)
Wide Receiver:Jarvis Landry (4) Davante Adams (4)
For the Browns you could argue that Calloway, their rookie might take over top spot from Landry; I anticipate Alexander being top corner over King, who probably has PTSD from all his trauma and over TWill, who is living on borrowed time playing every snap. Packers have a huge advantage at LT, while Browns have the distinct advantage at pass rusher, since the Packers don't have any outside threat. Packer have the advantage at QB of course, but that could change instantly given Rodgers' age, and his now consistently fragile body. Ward and Alexander are a wash, in my opinion, but I can see people valuing Ward higher. Alexander is a better cover guy (plastering), Ward rn has better instincts for the ball and game (already knows when to come off his guy and take risks for an INT). Packers are only old at QB, and pass rusher could be fixed with a good pick or a FA move. The Browns are young all over their roster, and their defense is actually very good. Because of the age of Rodgers, and assuming Mayfield continues his ascent, I have to agree about the trajectories of the teams. How steep the slide for the Pack depends on Rodgers' health until they can restock the roster after the twin disasters of the 2015 cornerback draft (Randall and Rollins) and the total collapse of the OLB position/outside pass rush, as well as the more mild decline of offensive weapons.
John Dorsey (now Cleveland GM, as if you didn't know) 'famously' is on record as saying that to be a successful team, you have to have the following five players, meaning, you pretty much need pro-bowl level talent at these positions (what follows is a comparison with the Packers):
Team Browns Packers
QB: Baker Mayfield (R) Aaron Rodgers (13)
Left Tackle: Desmond Harrison (Rfa) David Bakhtiari (5)
Pass Rusher Myles Garrett (2) none
Cornerback: Denzel Ward (R) Jaire Alexander (R)
Wide Receiver:Jarvis Landry (4) Davante Adams (4)
For the Browns you could argue that Calloway, their rookie might take over top spot from Landry; I anticipate Alexander being top corner over King, who probably has PTSD from all his trauma and over TWill, who is living on borrowed time playing every snap. Packers have a huge advantage at LT, while Browns have the distinct advantage at pass rusher, since the Packers don't have any outside threat. Packer have the advantage at QB of course, but that could change instantly given Rodgers' age, and his now consistently fragile body. Ward and Alexander are a wash, in my opinion, but I can see people valuing Ward higher. Alexander is a better cover guy (plastering), Ward rn has better instincts for the ball and game (already knows when to come off his guy and take risks for an INT). Packers are only old at QB, and pass rusher could be fixed with a good pick or a FA move. The Browns are young all over their roster, and their defense is actually very good. Because of the age of Rodgers, and assuming Mayfield continues his ascent, I have to agree about the trajectories of the teams. How steep the slide for the Pack depends on Rodgers' health until they can restock the roster after the twin disasters of the 2015 cornerback draft (Randall and Rollins) and the total collapse of the OLB position/outside pass rush, as well as the more mild decline of offensive weapons.