Official Patriots Week Discussion

[pbmax]

Silverstein thinks the moves needed to be made and then makes only one good case that they help.

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/10/30/silverstein-packers-put-house-order-pair-necessary-deals/1821324002/

Dix clearly understood the Packers weren't ready to reward him with a new deal. He was a year away from getting that deal at best and he clearly wasn't willing to ball out like Shields or Cobb were to secure the deal. It makes some sense from a self preservation standpoint, but you probably don't want to publicly admit it as Dix did. He backed the Packers into a corner.

But there is no question the Packers don't seem ready to improve with Dix being gone. Whitehead couldn't beat him out. Tramontana isn't a safety and neither is Breeland. No one near the team expects Jones to be elevated to starter.

Maybe the locker room is a vipers pit this year? But it doesn't seem like addition by subtraction. Seems like building for the future. Not sure you beat the Patriots or Vikings just by clearing the team focus.

The beat guys seemed convinced that Silver's player sources were vets, not bench guys. Wilde knows and likes Silver and is convinced its not a contrived story. In this case, it might be addition by subtraction. Even if Monty is not viewed as a me first player, his departure removes that topic from discussion. And it clearly puts Aaron Jones in line for more work. Which I think is a message from the GM to the coach.

[mraynrand]

Jackson probably could play safety, but would need some seasoning first. I get the impression he's not quite ready mentally.

But J'xander is a very good corner. He looks every bit as good as Shields at Shield's best - already. Maybe even better.

I've watched the Rams 3-4 times and haven't seen Cook managed quite so well. J'xan looks like a seasoned Belicheat defensive back - knows how to hold on every play if necessary!

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Jackson probably could play safety, but would need some seasoning first. I get the impression he's not quite ready mentally.

But J'xander is a very good corner. He looks every bit as good as Shields at Shield's best - already. Maybe even better.

I've watched the Rams 3-4 times and haven't seen Cook managed quite so well. J'xan looks like a seasoned Belicheat defensive back - knows how to hold on every play if necessary!

Action Jackson looked fine and dandy at corner while Alexander rested his groin. Trust me, as a shutdown corner in high school, I know something about groin injuries - it sucks; had to wait 3 weeks for it to heal before my hot English teach and I could resume amorous relations.

Point is, T-Will is certainly over the hill. Dude is allowing at least 2 big plays a game. Doesn’t matter a fuck that he’s a highly respected vet of NFL wars. Either move Williams to FS or bench him.

Play Action Jackson. At corner. Jax is a sloth, but he ain’t an abomination of Mr. Hyde proportions, I’m telling y’all.

[mraynrand]

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NFL Net Yards Per Play:
1. LAC +1.1
2. LAR +0.9
3. PIT +0.8
4. GB +0.7
5. HOU, KC +0.6
7. BAL +0.5
8. BEARS, JAX +0.4
10. TB +0.3
11. DAL, SEA +0.2
13. CAR, MIN +0.1
15. DEN, NO, WAS 0

[Pugger]

I think the Rams are much better than NE right now. If we play like we did in LA without turning the ball over I like our chances.

[Sparkey]

Eliminate turnovers on the road and you have a chance. Exactly as it was in LA until the 57:52 mark in the game.

[gbgary]

if they play at least as good as they did last week they could win this. Rodgers needs to be better! Scott needs to be better! that said i expect a close loss. it's on the road. there's added uncertainty at safety. Gronk/Edelman eat teams alive. hope i'm wrong...but the Packers have found amazing ways to lose games this year.

[ThunderDan]

if they play at least as good as they did last week they could win this. Rodgers needs to be better! Scott needs to be better! that said i expect a close loss. it's on the road. there's added uncertainty at safety. Gronk/Edelman eat teams alive. hope i'm wrong...but the Packers have found amazing ways to lose games this year.

We have found amazing ways to win, lose and tie games this year.

[Joemailman]

Eliminate turnovers on the road and you have a chance. Exactly as it was in LA until the 57:52 mark in the game.

What happened then? :huh:

[pbmax]

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
#Packers CB Tramon Williams said he will play safety Sunday against the #Patriots. He said he might play some corner too, but he is making the switch at the request of Mike Pettine.

Quite a role of the dice.

I suspect this means Action Jackson will play. I hope he takes Edelman's head off.

[run pMc]

So you put King on Gordon, Alexander on Edelman, and Jackson on Hogan. Tramon works with Brice/Whitehead? Burks on Gronk with Tramon helping?

[run pMc]

I would not switch Josh Jackson to S. He's a CB and should stay there this year. I think it's too hard for a rookie to learn a new position on the fly...he's probably just barely got CB figured out in Pettine's scheme.

You're better off putting Tramon or Breeland there if you're strapped for a S -- and they are. Those guys have at least been around the block. Playing S and CB are different animals though -- different responsibilities, different angles, keys, etc.

[red]

i'll be interested to see how the team look this week

gutey didn't improve the team at all by getting rid of our by far best safety, and really didn't get much in return

so how does the team take it when we get worse in preparation for a playoff push?

anyone else hear about brady taking a shot at fat mike and his horse shit offense this week? he said if rodgers was on the patriots he would be throwing for 7000 yards a season

https://sports.yahoo.com/tom-brady-told-coach-aaron-rodgers-throw-7000-yards-patriots-133902363.html


Have the Green Bay Packers put enough talent around him? Has the coaching staff, with a basic offense that doesn’t impress anyone, gotten the most out of their all-world quarterback?

something that some of us have been saying for awhile. our head coach his holding back our GOAT QB

[texaspackerbacker]

I want to see a lot of those jail-break blitzes against the immobile Brady.

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I would not switch Josh Jackson to S. He's a CB and should stay there this year. I think it's too hard for a rookie to learn a new position on the fly...he's probably just barely got CB figured out in Pettine's scheme.

You're better off putting Tramon or Breeland there if you're strapped for a S -- and they are. Those guys have at least been around the block. Playing S and CB are different animals though -- different responsibilities, different angles, keys, etc.

jackson has looked too damn good at CB to screw him up by moving him to safety

is the reason we aren't hearing much about him because he's shutting guys down? you don't really hear his name called, not even for making mistakes or blowing coverage

[pbmax]

So you put King on Gordon, Alexander on Edelman, and Jackson on Hogan. Tramon works with Brice/Whitehead? Burks on Gronk with Tramon helping?

I don't care about the matchup, I am just rooting for the taunting, jawing, red ass Edelman to be carted off the field for a couple of plays.

Or I would settle for his bell being rung and him lining up with the defense for a play.

[pbmax]

I want to see a lot of those jail-break blitzes against the immobile Brady.

You gotta get there first.


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[pbmax]

jackson has looked too damn good at CB to screw him up by moving him to safety

is the reason we aren't hearing much about him because he's shutting guys down? you don't really hear his name called, not even for making mistakes or blowing coverage

He's not starting and he seems to be #4 CB. He has been the 3rd, but its been injury related. I think people are ignoring him but he's clearly not getting toasted regularly (though he does collect penalties). Starting, it was Tramontana and King (Bears), then Tramontana and Jaire (Vikes and Redskins), then Tramontana and Jackson (Bills), the Tramontana and King (Lions, 49ers, Rams).

He's been the 3rd highest snap count CB 5 times, but appears to be the #4 CB. Alexander seems like the clear #3.

[texaspackerbacker]

You gotta get there first.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqyltKQX4AE7I56.jpg:large

The Patriots are about the same as the Rams, and I doubt Brady will be as good at escaping as Goff.

Where are the Packers on that list? It seems like we get more early pressure than just about anybody with our sad sack O Line.

[Joemailman]

Where are the Packers on that list? It seems like we get more early pressure than just about anybody with our sad sack O Line.

Actually, I think you're the only one who really thinks that.

[deake]

I noticed that Lancaster got some minutes in the Rams game, actually got some push on the qb, seems like he has moved ahead of Adams.

[pbmax]

Some praise for the Packers offense and optimism for the matchup with the Patriots. Under 2 minute video with Matt Bowen, from NFL Matchup.

https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1058471012491243521

[mraynrand]

At this point I think I could program a Commodore 64 as an AI to spit out all the Stubby comments you are liable to get on the webs, especially Twitter and the gameday thread. Maybe I could program my own reaction posts with an Apple IIe - in fact, try to prove I didn't already...


Nicholas S.
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Mccarthy is one of the most vanilla play callers there is. Aaron Rodgers makes him look good.
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Mark
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Lol they have the players but McCarthy is too dumb to put them in position to succeed.
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[mraynrand]

I noticed that Lancaster got some minutes in the Rams game, actually got some push on the qb, seems like he has moved ahead of Adams.

good post. I saw him jog off the field and was 'who the hell is that?'

[KYPack]

In a bizarre move, the Packers signed a second punter.

Drew Kaser was cut from the Chargers a month ago.

We signed him today.

Which one will be active vs NE?

I sure don't get this one.

[Fritz]

In a bizarre move, the Packers signed a second punter.

Drew Kaser was cut from the Chargers a month ago.

We signed him today.

Which one will be active vs NE?

I sure don't get this one.

Given that Gute said - a couple times - that he didn't use roster moves to send messages to the locker room, we can only conclude they think this guy might be better than JK Rowling.

Or we can conclude that Gute lies to the press.

[wist43]

Given that Gute said - a couple times - that he didn't use roster moves to send messages to the locker room, we can only conclude they think this guy might be better than JK Rowling.

Or we can conclude that Gute lies to the press.

Yes.

[pbmax]

wist needs to conduct a thorough review of the Packers scouting approach to pass rush and the entire player acquisition and ST approach to punters.

Gonna be a busy offseason for him.

[Patler]

Gutekunst is a follower of the Mike Sherman approach to roster management.

[pbmax]

Gutekunst is a follower of the Mike Sherman approach to roster management.

Seriously. Unless Scott fell off the skyway at the airport, this should be a fireable offense. What makes the Packers so skittish about punters? Investing and faith in Crosby has paid huge dividends.

[pbmax]

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
ICYMI: Rodgers and Brady last met four years ago at Lambeau Field, and there's plenty to learn from that matchup. Topics include:

- Safeties on Gronk
- Man coverage from the Pats
- 20+ touches for Lacy
- Rodgers' mobility
- Cobb in the backfield

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
#Packers have ruled WR Geronimo Allison (groin, hamstring) OUT for tomorrow’s game. They also added Tony Brown to the injury report (hip) and deemed him questionable.

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
#Packers have signed punter Drew Kaser. This is a puzzler. JK Scott is not injured or ill. Scott traveled with the team to Massachusetts. There has to be a reason...

FROM THIS REPORTING, I CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT KASER WILL BE IN THE BACKFIELD WITH COBB. POSSIBLY FOR QUICK KICKS OR DROP KICK FGs.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
JK Scott is the #Packers long-term punter, but he might not be the punter Sunday. That’s all I was able to find out. The club had the 53rd spot open and maybe there’s something he does well that they need for this matchup. Whatever, it’s a certainty only one will be active.

DEAR GOD, IT IS BJ SANDER AGAIN

[texaspackerbacker]

Gutekunst is a follower of the Mike Sherman approach to roster management.

That remains to be seen. Sherman - for better or worse (I'd say better) - liked to come as close to the cap limit as possible i.e. maximize the benefit of it. I haven't really seen anything like that from Gutekunst; Have you?

[pbmax]

OK, THE TWITTER READERS HAVE SOLVED IT AND I KNOW THE REASON!

Peter Jones @The_IT_Hedgehog
Tom - Kaser is also a kick-off specialist. Could there be a problem with Crosby kicking-off ?

AND THE REASON IS FEAR OF MY BROTHER DAN CONNOLLY AND MY OTHER BROTHER CORDARRELLE PATTERSON

The big question is this a tactic (leg that will put it out of end zone even against wind or kick it to stratosphere) or a problem with the kickoff team's defense?

No kicker is on the injury report (Allison was declared out and Tony Brown has a hip).

[Freak Out]

Bruce Irvin anyone?

[mraynrand]

OK, THE TWITTER READERS HAVE SOLVED IT AND I KNOW THE REASON!

Peter Jones @The_IT_Hedgehog
Tom - Kaser is also a kick-off specialist. Could there be a problem with Crosby kicking-off ?

Yes, we don't need another lineman returning a KO for 60+ yards carrying the ball like a bag of groceries!

[KYPack]

Bruce Irvin anyone?

Some team should grab him.

He's talented, but his output has been nothing near his salad days with the Hawks.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Gutekunst is a follower of the Mike Sherman approach to roster management.

For once, agreed.

Sherman subscribed to Belichickism, and Belichickism is far superior to Polar Bearism.

Did I mention that Sherman never missed the playoffs as GM?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Ah, now I get the German Shepherd-Sherman comparison.

Another punter, eh?

[Pugger]

Seriously. Unless Scott fell off the skyway at the airport, this should be a fireable offense. What makes the Packers so skittish about punters? Investing and faith in Crosby has paid huge dividends.

Evidently Scott's wife is due to deliver any day now.

[Carolina_Packer]

Yeah, let's hope there is a short-term reason like Pugger said. It looks like a strange move by Gutey, but hopefully ends up having a logical explanation. I can't imagine continuing on with two punters the rest of the year. That's even worse than carrying two fullbacks. I'm sure Kaser doesn't mind putting some more film out there, if he happens to be tonight's punter.

I just hope this roster move has no affect on them being able to possibly get Bruce Irvin. The Packers need to generate pass rush more without having to blitz to do so, and Irvin might help in that regard. He's not Seahawks Irvin, for sure. How did he get to be 31 being drafted in 2012? I just read his bio that said he was a high school drop-out, got his GED and went the JUCO route, which may explain why he would have been 24 when drafted in 2012.

[pbmax]

Evidently Scott's wife is due to deliver any day now.

Well that is news you can use. When did this pop up? Fits with Sherman's scheduling around family time and the holidays.

[Patler]

Gutekunst is a follower of the Mike Sherman approach to roster management.
That remains to be seen. Sherman - for better or worse (I'd say better) - liked to come as close to the cap limit as possible i.e. maximize the benefit of it. I haven't really seen anything like that from Gutekunst; Have you?

I was referring to having two punters (although it now seems his reason might be a good one). As for salary cap management, give him some time. He already has over 10% of his salary cap for this year tied up in over-the-hill veterans/problem children signed from other teams.

[red]

For once, agreed.

Sherman subscribed to Belichickism, and Belichickism is far superior to Polar Bearism.

Did I mention that Sherman never missed the playoffs as GM?

what other teams did sherman lead to the playoffs after he left green bay and HOFer brad Farf?

oh thats right, no one else in the nfl ever gave him a head coaching gig cause they knew his QB made him

he ended up coaching high school

[red]

Evidently Scott's wife is due to deliver any day now.

this explains it all

if his wife goes into labor today, then he's got to miss the game. meaning we need a punter

this is actually a nice example of planning ahead

[mraynrand]

Evidently Scott's wife is due to deliver any day now.

I woulda bet money he was prepubescent