HOW WOULD YOU PREFER 2018 TO END ??

[Bretsky]

Green Bay Goes on a run, makes the playoffs, and MM Keeps his Job ?

Green Bay wins a couple, does not make the playoffs, and MM loses his job

[Joemailman]

Quickly.

[Bretsky]

WHAT SAY YOU RATS ????????????? Playoffs …….Playoffs ?

[Joemailman]

Beat the Vikings. Beat the Bears. Lose to a couple of teams they should beat so Murph/Gute make the coaching change.

[Joemailman]

Question I do not have the answer to: When was the last time a team made the playoffs and fired their coach? Ever?

[red]

Question I do not have the answer to: When was the last time a team made the playoffs and fired their coach? Ever?

last year, mike mularkey by the titans

[pittstang5]

Option 3? - Tank the season.

Bears are winning the division. If the Packers even sniff the playoffs, they'll be a wild card and have the usual one and done game.

Tank the season. We get a top 10 draft pick. MM gets fired. Villagers rejoice.

[pbmax]

Super Bowl. Fire the coach. I will take the heat.

[pbmax]

I cannot in good conscience vote for either option.

[Joemailman]

last year, mike mularkey by the titans

I think he actually resigned.


In a lengthy meeting with Bills management, Mularkey stunned owner Ralph Wilson and newly appointed general manager Marv Levy by tendering his resignation after only two seasons on the job, ESPN.com confirmed. His departure will be confirmed by the Bills at a Friday news conference scheduled for 11 a.m. ET.

[ThunderDan]

Super Bowl. Fire the coach. I will take the heat.

Super Bowl Champions, MM retires.

[texaspackerbacker]

Winning beats losing anytime. There's no guarantee McCarthy will be gone even if the Packers don't make the playoffs, and if the result is anything short of the Super Bowl, there's no guarantee is isn't fired or eased out.

[red]

I think he actually resigned.

That’s when he resigned in 2006 from buffalo

[Joemailman]

That’s when he resigned in 2006 from buffalo

Oops. What a strange career he's had.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Oh wait, you mean the Packer season, not New Years Eve. Gotcha. Man, my original post would have sent this thread to the Garbage Can.

[mraynrand]

Question I do not have the answer to: When was the last time a team made the playoffs and fired their coach? Ever?

Marty Schottenheimer got it twice - Browns in '88 and San Diego in 2006. Without checking, I'm pretty sure the '88 playoff loss resulted in a firing, not him resigning. PB?

[mraynrand]

I always want to win. I don't care too much whether they keep 'ol Stubbers or not, I just want them to beat the crap out of Bears, Vikings and everyone else they can and make the playoffs. Anything can happen. I don't care if they get a lower draft pick. Pick better and it won't matter.

[pbmax]

Marty Schottenheimer got it twice - Browns in '88 and San Diego in 2006. Without checking, I'm pretty sure the '88 playoff loss resulted in a firing, not him resigning. PB?

First memory is they did not make the playoffs in '88. It was '85 (loss to Dolphins), '86 (lose to &$!$&#! the drive), '87 (Bynered!), '88 (miss playoffs), '89 (make it back lose to #$&#%&$! cheating Broncos again).

But before I check pro-football-reference, I think Modell wanted some assistant coaching changes. Either defense or ST. Marty refused so he was fired. Modell hired Steel Curtain architect and very old man Bud Carson, who probably deserved better.

Speaking of divas, at some point in this, Kosar wanted his old buddy from Miami to get the OC job and run Lindy Infante's pass to daylight option route offense. Not sure if this was during Schotty or he was lobbying for this after Carson got hired.

That old buddy was Woodbuck's very special friend, Marc Trestman.

Looked it up and I was wrong! Lost in '88 wild card game to Oilers.

[Bretsky]

I cannot in good conscience vote for either option.

Wussbag :)))

this is officially a good poll then ...haha

[mraynrand]

Quickly.


https://youtu.be/RDdc0-JD8Dk

[Fosco33]

Option 4 - make the playoffs and still fire M3

[denverYooper]

I think he actually resigned.

John Fox "resigned" as well in Denver the year that they got beat by Indy at home.

[denverYooper]

I always want to win. I don't care too much whether they keep 'ol Stubbers or not, I just want them to beat the crap out of Bears, Vikings and everyone else they can and make the playoffs. Anything can happen. I don't care if they get a lower draft pick. Pick better and it won't matter.

This.

They can probably even do it with most of the existing dysfunction as long as 1 area out of ST gaffes, 3rd down offense, or offense inside the 35 gets improves for the next 5 games.

[pbmax]

Getting the timing prediction of a supernova wrong is truly a blunder that will ruin your day.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH476CxJxfg

[Pugger]

I always want to win. I don't care too much whether they keep 'ol Stubbers or not, I just want them to beat the crap out of Bears, Vikings and everyone else they can and make the playoffs. Anything can happen. I don't care if they get a lower draft pick. Pick better and it won't matter.

We need impact players on both sides of the ball. If we make the playoffs and draft again later in every round will we really get better? Right now I don't care if we win or not because even if we do and make the playoffs we will be one and done AGAIN and I've had my fill of that crap. The hot teams like NO, the Rams, KC and even the freakin Bears and queens have improved their rosters by drafting higher than us. After all these years of drafting late and poorly has drained this roster and we now see the mediocrity on this team today.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Marty Schottenheimer got it twice - Browns in '88 and San Diego in 2006. Without checking, I'm pretty sure the '88 playoff loss resulted in a firing, not him resigning. PB?

Tony Dungy was also, perhaps unjustly, canned after a playoffs season. Of course, you and your ilk refuse to acknowledge Dungy b/c you and your ilk want to hold the black man down, and you and your ilk laugh as the gay man drowns.

Alas, Sherman’s GM head was unjustly cut off after a playoffs season, ending any chance Pack had of morphing into the Pats of the NFC.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Super Bowl Champions, MM retires.

Why? McCarthy is, what, 50? That ain’t too old for a coach. I can’t see McCarthy retiring “early” and becoming a tv futbol analyst, a la Mooch. McCarthy ain’t too smart to be any type of analyst.

Best case scenario, Pack win SB and then trade Dummy to the Browns for 2 firsts and an orangutan.

[Joemailman]

Why? McCarthy is, what, 50? That ain’t too old for a coach. I can’t see McCarthy retiring “early” and becoming a tv futbol analyst, a la Mooch. McCarthy ain’t too smart to be any type of analyst.



If Matt Millen can do it, MM can do it.

[hoosier]

I always want to win. I don't care too much whether they keep 'ol Stubbers or not, I just want them to beat the crap out of Bears, Vikings and everyone else they can and make the playoffs. Anything can happen. I don't care if they get a lower draft pick. Pick better and it won't matter.

Yup. Rand may be wrong 99% of the time on things not related to football but this is dead on. I would only add to those of you wishing for MM's head: be careful what you wish for! Because while you never know what you're getting with the next coach there is a very good chance he will be worse than McCarthy and at least a decent chance that he will be Childress-level bad.

[mraynrand]

Yup. Rand may be wrong 99% of the time on things not related to football ..

As always, I invite you to argue your case.


Because while you never know what you're getting with the next coach there is a very good chance he will be worse than McCarthy and at least a decent chance that he will be Childress-level bad.

This kind of terror should not necessarily lead to inaction, but to extreme caution!

[mraynrand]

Tony Dungy was also, perhaps unjustly, canned after a playoffs season. Of course, you and your ilk refuse to acknowledge Dungy b/c you and your ilk want to hold the black man down, and you and your ilk laugh as the gay man drowns.

What kind of 'ilk' am I exactly, you burger-flipping flippant fledgling? I like Tony - my fellow alumnus, College qb, Super Bowl winner as player and coach, Defensive genius, and devout Christian http://www.wlc.edu/2018-Divine-Servant-Award-Celebration/.

[call_me_ishmael]

If they're not gonna win a super bowl, then I hope they lose out and end up with a top pick and more motivation to kick the guys they'll inevitably kick to the curb maybe a year early. They need to rebuild. It would be great to have a shot at Rashan Gary or Ed Oliver if they're not bad enough to get Bosa. Somebody freaky deaky that's a match-up problem. Those dudes could go #1, #2, and #3.

If you desperately need pass rushing help and front seven help, it's hard to argue with this draft. So much DL talent at the top!

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/15/2019-nfl-draft-big-board-rankings-nick-bosa-justin-herbert

[Fritz]

Just win, baby!

[Tony Oday]

Always playoffs.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

What kind of 'ilk' am I exactly, you burger-flipping flippant fledgling? I like Tony - my fellow alumnus, College qb, Super Bowl winner as player and coach, Defensive genius, and devout Christian http://www.wlc.edu/2018-Divine-Servant-Award-Celebration/.

Lets just put it this way: You belong in the same wingnutty dimension that the likes of Tex, O'Day and Rut reside in - Y'all may have your slight differences, but in macro space-time, y'all look, reek and shit just the same. :)

[texaspackerbacker]

I always want to win. I don't care too much whether they keep 'ol Stubbers or not, I just want them to beat the crap out of Bears, Vikings and everyone else they can and make the playoffs. Anything can happen. I don't care if they get a lower draft pick. Pick better and it won't matter.

When you're right, you're right.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

If Matt Millen can do it, MM can do it.

Was gonna defend Millen, but checked out his wiki page and thought otherwise. Apparently, Millen called Johnnie Morton a "faggot" and Ron Jaworski a "Polack." No fucking way am I gonna defend anyone who says shit like that.

Carry on with chats about the Packers tanking. :)

[gbgary]

sentimentally...the Packers to win-out.

realistically...a top-3 1st round draft pick. lol

[Anti-Polar Bear]

We need impact players on both sides of the ball. If we make the playoffs and draft again later in every round will we really get better? Right now I don't care if we win or not because even if we do and make the playoffs we will be one and done AGAIN and I've had my fill of that crap. The hot teams like NO, the Rams, KC and even the freakin Bears and queens have improved their rosters by drafting higher than us. After all these years of drafting late and poorly has drained this roster and we now see the mediocrity on this team today.

Word.

I hope we get the #1 overall pick and then trade down to the 3rd spot for 2 1sts and 2 2nds.

[Carolina_Packer]

Whatever it takes for the Packer brass to realize that the MM's time has run its course. Obviously, if they went on a "run the table" close out, followed by another Lombardi Trophy, then it would be hard to get rid of MM. I don't believe that will happen, so I think just getting to the playoffs isn't enough for MM to retain his job. Barring my dream scenario of a Super Bowl, I don't know that there is a magic number of wins to retention this year. I think perhaps the Packer Brass has seen enough over the course of time to be able to predict the future, which is not trending in the right direction.

You cast your lot with A-Rod when you extended him this year. He will lead the team, so it's imperative to take advantage of his remaining career. I personally think that involves a new voice, some new ideas; something not stale and predictable.

[pbmax]

Aaron Schatz Football Outsiders
Weighted DVOA Top 12: KC LAR NO CHI PIT LAC DEN GB NE BAL IND SEA. DVOA now posted here: footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff Commentary to come later this afternoon.

The eight ranked Packers are 4-5-1. Someone isn’t finishing their job.

[denverYooper]

Aaron Schatz Football Outsiders
Weighted DVOA Top 12: KC LAR NO CHI PIT LAC DEN GB NE BAL IND SEA. DVOA now posted here: footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff Commentary to come later this afternoon.

The eight ranked Packers are 4-5-1. Someone isn’t finishing their job.

Yeah... they are 1-3 against that group with another loss against 6-4 Washington and most games coming down to a play or 2.

The only "bad" loss was to Detroit and even that was on the road with the Lions spotted a TD early.

The main thing this still says to me is that most teams are pretty meh this year including the Packers. Green Bay's played well enough to hang in but not well enough to stand out.

[denverYooper]

Aaron Schatz Football Outsiders
Weighted DVOA Top 12: KC LAR NO CHI PIT LAC DEN GB NE BAL IND SEA. DVOA now posted here: footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff Commentary to come later this afternoon.

The eight ranked Packers are 4-5-1. Someone isn’t finishing their job.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2018/week-11-dvoa-ratings


This was not the only game this week where the winning team had the lower DVOA rating. The first game of the week really stands out, as Green Bay lost to Seattle but earns 45.3% DVOA compared to -10.6% DVOA for the Seahawks. Green Bay outgained Seattle 7.5 yards per play to 5.5 yards per play; there were no interceptions and Seattle had both of the game's fumbles. Seattle did a much better job of grouping its successful plays into extended drives, as Green Bay had only one drive of seven plays while Seattle had five drives of at least seven plays. That big DVOA difference moves Green Bay up to No. 8 while Seattle drops from No. 8 to No. 12.

[pbmax]

Yeah... they are 1-3 against that group with another loss against 6-4 Washington and most games coming down to a play or 2.

The only "bad" loss was to Detroit and even that was on the road with the Lions spotted a TD early.

The main thing this still says to me is that most teams are pretty meh this year including the Packers. Green Bay's played well enough to hang in but not well enough to stand out.

Michael Cohen answered a question today from his listeners; how much is each factor responsible for the offensive downturn?

1. Young players (WR, RB) - 15%
2. Offensive scheme - 25-30%
3. Rodgers - 30-35%
4. Fundamentals (penalties, turnovers) - 10%
(he did not stop to be sure they added up)

He all but dismissed #4. But with all the struggles, if #4 was up to snuff, I bet they have a winning record. If they could fix 3rd down, I'd be downright giddy about their prospects.

But third down goes to Joe's question in another thread: will Rodgers expectation for his extended offense change, or is he going to keep beating that dead horse?

[Bretsky]

Sometimes you have a take one for the greater good and the best interest of the team

This is our 2018 season. GB would be the #1 job

Now WHO THE HELL is the #1 coaching prospect ??

[Fritz]

Since there is no obvious hotshot candidate, ala Holmgren or Sean Payton back in the day(s), how about the Packers just keep winning until the Super Bowl is over?

And I'm getting a date with Drew Barrymore soon.

Well, okay, on Pornhub.

[Fosco33]

Go 5-1 and get a chance in the playoffs. All but a Ring means M3 is gone.

[mraynrand]

Go 5-1 and get a chance in the playoffs. All but a Ring means M3 is gone.

what? you really think they fire Stubby after a Super Bowl loss? Not a chance in hell.