Winston Moss just got the boot?

[Rastak]

Saw it on Twitter......

#Packers interim Joe Philbin makes his first move. The tweet did not help. But there were a variety of factors over time. Philbin wants everyone on the same page.Ian Rapoport added,
Winston Moss

@Insanecane99
The Packers have informed me that there letting me go. #thankstwitter!
6:43 PM - 4 Dec 2018

[red]

weird

[pbmax]

That's just weird.

Was Moss just a bag man, a fixer, a body man, a spy in the ranks?

[mraynrand]

The new Packers regime places a high priority on excellent grammar. Firing Moss was a no-brainer.

[pbmax]

I forgot the erratic press conference. "I can't help you"

Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde
Jason Wilde Retweeted Gerry Fagan
C'mon. Did you watch his press conference a couple months ago? Can't you imagine that there was erratic behavior behind-the-scenes as well? No one is saying the team/Philbin didn't notice the Tweet. But he didn't get fired solely for a Tweet.


http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-watch-packers-associate-coach-winston-moss-stares-down-reporters-video/i7o20p9vzqa51fekwc2ubbk4r

[mraynrand]

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-watch-packers-associate-coach-winston-moss-stares-down-reporters-video/i7o20p9vzqa51fekwc2ubbk4r

wow. Did this get talked about here? Wha happened?

[pbmax]

wow. Did this get talked about here? Wha happened?

I don't remember it made much of a wave here. Originally I thought the reporters were just being dramatic. Watched it much later and was surprised.

Moss was up and down with media. Some liked him others, decidedly, did not. Wilde and Huber had good conversations with Moss about improving his press conference performance not that long ago. But he also could be erratic in his treatment of people, which you see in the video. Bit nutty.

[pbmax]

Wilde speculates the erraticness extends beyond one press conference. I speculate that reporters have seen Moss be nuts more than once at a PC.

Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde
This is what now ex-#Packers associate head coach/LBs coach Winston Moss Tweeted earlier today. To be clear, Moss wasn’t fired over the Tweet. Nor was he fired for his erratic behavior at press conferences. Important to note, this was new interim head coach Joe Philbin’s call.

I assume this Tweet is sticking up for Mike and trying to align it with Packer history. Didn't work.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtnuoQiXgAA5J5f.jpg

[pbmax]

I don't remember it made much of a wave here. Originally I thought the reporters were just being dramatic. Watched it much later and was surprised.

Moss was up and down with media. Some liked him others, decidedly, did not. Wilde and Huber had good conversations with Moss about improving his press conference performance not that long ago. But he also could be erratic in his treatment of people, which you see in the video. Bit nutty.

Packer Report @PackerReport
As bizarre as the last year was with Moss, it's hard to juxtapose that with the night he talked to myself and @jasonjwilde after a training camp practice to talk about his performance with the media, which actually used to be good.

Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde
Will never forget this, Hubes. We crossed Oneida St. with him and talked for 20 minutes. He wanted our advice. And while we will all remember his final "I can't help you" press conference, there were other times when he was smart, insightful and helpful.

Packer Report @PackerReport
Even last year, he had the defining Kyler Fackrell quote. To think, he was considered a HC candidate. Seems like a lifetime ago.

Packer Report @PackerReport
Stop thinking and turn it loose.

[red]

its starting to seem like people who were playing with less then full decks were being allowed to run this team

just what the fuck is going on at 1265

are they all drinking, or do we just allow mentally defective people run the joint?

[Freak Out]

Less than full decks like Moss?

[pbmax]

Winston Moss @Insanecane99
I have serve the Packers with all my heart and soul. I’ve given it my all. no regrets!

[mraynrand]

Winston Moss @Insanecane99
I have serve the Packers with all my heart and soul. I’ve given it my all. no regrets!

me too

[Joemailman]

Hasn't it seemed for a while that McCarthy held Moss in higher regard than anyone else did? He's been Associate Coach here but couldn't get as much as a coordinator job anywhere else. Probably not surprising that with McCarthy gone, Moss was vulnerable.

[MadScientist]

Saw it on Twitter......

#Packers interim Joe Philbin makes his first move. The tweet did not help. But there were a variety of factors over time. Philbin wants everyone on the same page.Ian Rapoport added,
Winston Moss

@Insanecane99
The Packers have informed me that there letting me go. #thankstwitter!
6:43 PM - 4 Dec 2018

If you are curious about why he would put 'thanks twitter' in his note, it's possibly because he tweeted this before he got the axe:

Ponder this... what Championship teams have are great leadership! Period! It’s not the offensive guru trend, it’s not the safe trend. Find somebody that is going to hold #12 and everybody in this building to a #LombardiStandard! Period! #losingsucks!
— Winston Moss (@Insanecane99) December 4, 2018
https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/12/04/green-bay-packers-fire-associate-head-coach-winston-moss/2210454002/

Between this and his interview, this doesn't sound like any sort of a loss.

[Fritz]

Hasn't it seemed for a while that McCarthy held Moss in higher regard than anyone else did? He's been Associate Coach here but couldn't get as much as a coordinator job anywhere else. Probably not surprising that with McCarthy gone, Moss was vulnerable.


I have give a lot of thought to this issue, and I can only conclude that attacking the franchise QB publicly in a tweet have not serve the team nor Moss very well.

A bit of a mystery, in the button-down Packer culture, how this guy survived as long as he did.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

What's the big deal? All of McCarthy's assistants, from Philbin down to the waterboy, are dead men walking. The next coach is gonna purge everything and everyone, including the beloved Pettine, whose mediocre D doesn't inspire anything or anyone.

Might as well get out of cold, dark and dull Green Bay ASAP. Winter in Wisconsin sucks.

[Fritz]

Yes, the next coach will bring in his own crew, as he should. But normally the interim guy keeps all the other assistants just to get through the year together. Moss's behavior has been erratic in the past, and his post about #12 was an egregious error. In terms of the future it's not a big deal, no, but the focus on Moss does make you wonder what McCarthy was doing, keeping him around as he did. Maybe Moss was a good coach, but in this NFL there's not much room for being off-the-cuff, especially in Green Bay.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Yes, the next coach will bring in his own crew, as he should. But normally the interim guy keeps all the other assistants just to get through the year together. Moss's behavior has been erratic in the past, and his post about #12 was an egregious error. In terms of the future it's not a big deal, no, but the focus on Moss does make you wonder what McCarthy was doing, keeping him around as he did. Maybe Moss was a good coach, but in this NFL there's not much room for being off-the-cuff, especially in Green Bay.

I fail to comprehend what Moss said that was so offensive that it warrants termination. Everyone and their baby's mama know that Rodgers game this year has been off. Great Arm of Butte deserves blame for not playing up to "Lombardi standard."

Regardless, its not like McCarthy was fired in week 3. Only 4 games left. Berlin has fallen. The Soviets are marching in. Gotta get out.

[pbmax]

Hasn't it seemed for a while that McCarthy held Moss in higher regard than anyone else did? He's been Associate Coach here but couldn't get as much as a coordinator job anywhere else. Probably not surprising that with McCarthy gone, Moss was vulnerable.

That is why I always thought of Moss as the bag or body man. He works for McCarthy, not the team.

[pbmax]

I fail to comprehend what Moss said that was so offensive that it warrants termination. Everyone and their baby's mama know that Rodgers game this year has been off. Great Arm of Butte deserves blame for not playing up to "Lombardi standard."

Regardless, its not like McCarthy was fired in week 3. Only 4 games left. Berlin has fallen. The Soviets are marching in. Gotta get out.

Ask yourself, why did he pick now to Tweet it?

[bobblehead]

I don't remember it made much of a wave here. Originally I thought the reporters were just being dramatic. Watched it much later and was surprised.

Moss was up and down with media. Some liked him others, decidedly, did not. Wilde and Huber had good conversations with Moss about improving his press conference performance not that long ago. But he also could be erratic in his treatment of people, which you see in the video. Bit nutty.

And he was MMs guy. Makes you wonder....

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Ask yourself, why did he pick now to Tweet it?

The writing's on the wall the moment McCarthy's head rolled. Moss knew that and he probably sought to get out of GB sooner rather than later. Packers still have to honor Moss' contract.

[pbmax]

The writing's on the wall the moment McCarthy's head rolled. Moss knew that and he probably sought to get out of GB sooner rather than later. Packers still have to honor Moss' contract.

I think this is exactly right. Either he knew he was valued by McCarthy alone OR didn't want to be around without him.

So he launched a torpedo against the biggest name on the team.

If you think a guy doesn't want to be there, then say goodbye. This is just a diversionary tactic.

[Rastak]

I think this is exactly right. Either he knew he was valued by McCarthy alone OR didn't want to be around without him.

So he launched a torpedo against the biggest name on the team.

If you think a guy doesn't want to be there, then say goodbye. This is just a diversionary tactic.

That seems to be a solid theory....only other one I can think of is Moss was extremely loyal to McCarthy, was really pissed, and felt Rodgers caused his termination so lashed out. It seems he has a history of spouting off whatever he feels at the moment.

[pbmax]

That seems to be a solid theory....only other one I can think of is Moss was extremely loyal to McCarthy, was really pissed, and felt Rodgers caused his termination so lashed out. It seems he has a history of spouting off whatever he feels at the moment.

I get that. But it doesn't explain the timing. Moss didn't want to say this before, but once Mac was out, he wanted to say it.

[denverYooper]

So was he saying they weren't holding Rodgers accountable?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

So was he saying they weren't holding Rodgers accountable?

There was no such thing as accountability under the McCarthy regime.

[mraynrand]

There was no such thing as accountability under the McCarthy regime.

:roll:

[gbgary]

There was no such thing as accountability under the McCarthy regime.

yup. how many times has that word been used since last year? A LOT...by players, coaches, and management! i don't disagree with what moss said. he knew exactly what would happen when he hit the "tweet" button. i know rodgers doesn't have an F to give that moss made him a focus in the tweet but i'm glad he did.

[Fritz]

So was he saying they weren't holding Rodgers accountable?


I think it's hard to read it any other way.

[mraynrand]

yup.

Sure, no one was accountable ever. So Rodgers may have a swelled head - wouldn't be too surprising after everyone keeps telling him that he's the only player on the squad and no one else is responsible for any wins they ever had. Or maybe Moss is just making excuses because he sucks. How about that? Maybe when he's been a HC for a decade he can tell us all about it. I'm guessing the truth is in there somewhere between.

Get a Brain! Morans.

[mraynrand]

I think it's hard to read it any other way.

Yes, that exactly what MOSS is saying. And it would make sense to take his word as absolute ironclad indisputable no-shades-of-grey-possible-at-all-ever truth.

[gbgary]

philbin just said it wasn't a good fit with moss. lol

[gbgary]

Get a Brain! Morans.

*morons*

[mraynrand]

*morons*

I thought everyone knew this meme

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[gbgary]

I thought everyone knew this meme



ha! forgot about that. what's morgan freeman doing there? lol

[texaspackerbacker]

Does it occur to anybody that the Associate Head Coach might consider himself the logical Interim Coach - and make a stink about it when somebody else got chosen? That would seem to be the most likely route to getting canned.

[Fritz]

Could be so, Tex. Could be. In that case, though, I wonder why the guy didn't just resign.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Could be so, Tex. Could be. In that case, though, I wonder why the guy didn't just resign.

Resign = quit = don’t get paid.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Figured he was going to be fired at the end of the season anyways, so just wanted to spend Christmas and New Years with his family for a change.

[mraynrand]

Could be so, Tex. Could be. In that case, though, I wonder why the guy didn't just resign.

Some coaches just want to watch the world burn.

[pbmax]

There was no such thing as accountability under the McCarthy regime.

You are getting your troll memes confused. Tell us again why Desmond Bishop wasn't starting earlier?

[pbmax]

So was he saying they weren't holding Rodgers accountable?

They meaning he and McCarthy, I have to assume. :D

[denverYooper]

They meaning he and McCarthy, I have to assume. :D

Yeah. It came off like he was throwing himself and his advocate under the bus.

[pbmax]

Yeah. It came off like he was throwing himself and his advocate under the bus.

It was such a clever burn that the arsonist was ignited along with his accomplice.

[mraynrand]

It was such a clever burn that the arsonist was ignited along with his accomplice.

Stubby may not even hire Moss to drive the golf cart around the Meadowlands...

[George Cumby]

Stubby may not even hire Moss to drive the golf cart around the Meadowlands...

If Moss can't manage his interactions with GB Media, what would it be like with the NY Media? Man, I'd pay money for that.

[Pugger]

Does it occur to anybody that the Associate Head Coach might consider himself the logical Interim Coach - and make a stink about it when somebody else got chosen? That would seem to be the most likely route to getting canned.

That was my first thought too. Perhaps he was pissed he didn't get the interim job so he wanted to take a shot across the bow at Philbin, Murphy and Gute.

[3irty1]

Winston Moss is McCarthy's side kick. He might draw Rooney rule interviews but he was always going to follow McCarthy to his next job so of course he's going to defend him.

[pbmax]

Stubby may not even hire Moss to drive the golf cart around the Meadowlands...

Stubby: I need you to get to the press and comment about how uncoachable Rodgers is ...

Mossman: Got it

Stubby: Its either got to be anonymous or you need to call out the entire org

Mossman: I know the perfect medium and message

Stubby: Most important, you can't get fired, I need a copy of the playbook and my McDonalds gift certificates in my top desk drawer. Cellcom just cancelled the campaign.

Mossman: I'll be sublime, slow burn, guaranteed

TWEET

Stubby's doorbell rings

Mossman: I got the gift certificates!

[pbmax]

That was my first thought too. Perhaps he was pissed he didn't get the interim job so he wanted to take a shot across the bow at Philbin, Murphy and Gute.

This seems like the most likely scenario. Especially since I bet he sees himself as no nonsense.

He probably even dropped his drawers during the exit interview just like Singletary.

[red]

Does it occur to anybody that the Associate Head Coach might consider himself the logical Interim Coach - and make a stink about it when somebody else got chosen? That would seem to be the most likely route to getting canned.

this is what i'm thinking too

[Fosco33]

Wait... Winston Moss gets canned? By philbin? Wasn’t he up for head coach discussion before?? Seems like philbin is positioning for next year... personally I’d like new HC, ST and Offensive staff but keep Pettine.

Was the plan all along to go w/ philbin and Pettine... 😑

[Smidgeon]

Does it occur to anybody that the Associate Head Coach might consider himself the logical Interim Coach - and make a stink about it when somebody else got chosen? That would seem to be the most likely route to getting canned.

That's Associate to the Head Coach.

[denverYooper]

Wait... Winston Moss gets canned? By philbin? Wasn’t he up for head coach discussion before?? Seems like philbin is positioning for next year... personally I’d like new HC, ST and Offensive staff but keep Pettine.

Was the plan all along to go w/ philbin and Pettine... ��

Maybe Philbin has compromising pictures of Murphy.

[QBME]

That's Associate to the Head Coach.

So sayeth Michael Scott to Dwight Schroot.

[KYPack]

Moss was just a stooge anyway.

MM to the Jets or the Browns?

You'd think Browns, but maybe Dorsey wants to show he's got his own plan.

[Rastak]

Moss was just a stooge anyway.

MM to the Jets or the Browns?

You'd think Browns, but maybe Dorsey wants to show he's got his own plan.


I would think the Browns would jump all over him, unless the guys they have that served in the Packers front office last year have some serious concerns about things inside the building.

[mraynrand]

That's Associate to the Head Coach.


So sayeth Michael Scott to Dwight Schroot.

lol

[Sparkey]

Maybe they are starting to hold everyone accountable ?

He was the outside linebackers coach.....

[mraynrand]

BRING BLACK KEVIN GREEN!

[Sparkey]

BRING BLACK KEVIN GREEN!

What about white Kevin Greene ?

[George Cumby]

BRING BLACK KEVIN GREEN!

It. Is. Time.

[mraynrand]

BRING BLACK KEVIN GREEN!

Kevin Greene Kevin Greene Kevin Greene Kevin Greene Kevin Greene . OK, spellcheck all fixed now.

[Fritz]

I had to laugh about Demetrious Randall talking up Mike McCarthy and how great he was, and how unfair it was to fire him.

Yeah, Mr. Accountability himself. The guy McCarthy was willing to ditch for an unoroven backup quarterback, despite having talent at a position that was think, because he was such an ass clown in the locker room.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I had to laugh about Demetrious Randall talking up Mike McCarthy and how great he was, and how unfair it was to fire him.

Yeah, Mr. Accountability himself. The guy McCarthy was willing to ditch for an unoroven backup quarterback, despite having talent at a position that was think, because he was such an ass clown in the locker room.

What he supposed to say? That orangutans are smarter than McCarthy? McDummy could be coaching the Browns next season!

Hire Jim Harbaugh and then trade Keizer to the Browns for Randall. Then sign Kap.

[mraynrand]

I had to laugh about Demetrious Randall talking up Mike McCarthy and how great he was, and how unfair it was to fire him.


What he supposed to say?

It's a bit of unexpected maturity.

[Joemailman]

I had to laugh about Demetrious Randall talking up Mike McCarthy and how great he was, and how unfair it was to fire him.

Yeah, Mr. Accountability himself. The guy McCarthy was willing to ditch for an unoroven backup quarterback, despite having talent at a position that was think, because he was such an ass clown in the locker room.

2 reasons for his comments:

Playing for Hue Jackson might make you appreciate McCarthy more.

He might have read speculation that McCarthy will be his next coach.

[QBME]

BRING BLACK KEVIN GREEN!

It's all about color with you....;)

[Joemailman]

BRING BLACK KEVIN GREEN!


It's all about color with you....;)

Are you referring to black or green? To have color you must have light. Black is the absence of all light. Green of course is a color.

[QBME]

Are you referring to black or green? To have color you must have light. Black is the absence of all light. Green of course is a color.

Maybe (possibly, probably) I'm wrong, but generally accepted theory is black is the presence of all colors in the refraction of
photons.

I was only trying to make a social little joke. My bad.

[mraynrand]

It's all about color with you....;)

It does seem like forever ago that the poster 'MOBB DEEP' first used the phrase BRING BLACK XXXXX. I can no longer remember if the 'BLACK' was a deliberate or accidental misspelling of BACK. Regardless, I never tire of beating that dead horse.

[pbmax]

Maybe (possibly, probably) I'm wrong, but generally accepted theory is black is the presence of all colors in the refraction of
photons.

I was only trying to make a social little joke. My bad.

White is the presence of all wavelengths of visible light. Black is the presence of all colors in more tangible forms.

[Teamcheez1]

"Rodgers has been the head coach for the past nine years"

Latest headline from Moss burning the remaining bridges with the Packers.

[pbmax]

Gotta post this before I forget. Michael Cohen's podcast made two points about Moss' firing that I was unaware of.

Pettine answered some direct Moss questions in his PC that week. He denied there was communication trouble between the two (see below) but basically did admit that Moss was not the easiest guy to talk to even coach to coach. So whatever personality quirks were evident in his PCs carried over to his work. And I am not sure it was explicitly mentioned on this board, but after his mini-rant about not being able to help reporters, his PCs were cancelled. Pettine did say, as an example of how they were able to work together, that Moss normally had the answers they might be looking for and if he didn't, he would be able to get them.

https://www.packers.com/video/pettine-on-mccarthy-can-t-put-into-words-how-much-respect-and-gratitude-i-have


Wilde had an article with player quotes that Moss and Pettine were communicating barely at all as the season progressed. I cannot find that article now, but will update the post if I find it.

[gbgary]

"Rodgers has been the head coach for the past nine years"

Latest headline from Moss burning the remaining bridges with the Packers.

he was joking. i've seen 3 interviews with him now and have become a fan. he's a players coach and has his guys backs. he had MM's back. loves the club and the fans.