Official rest of the playoffs thread

[pbmax]

That was New England’s pick play on a wheel route.

[Rastak]

Punch it in Chiefs....

[Rutnstrut]

So if that was PI and the play in the Saints game wasn't. The NFL is a fucking joke.

[pbmax]

They have really taken away Hill but for one play.

One problem with 15 play drives is that you have dominated for 3 quarters and have 17 points on offense.

[Rastak]

So if that was PI and the play in the Saints game wasn't. The NFL is a fucking joke.`


They missed the call. Get over it.

[Rutnstrut]

`


They missed the call. Get over it.

nope.

[Rastak]

nope.


Fair enough....enjoy dwelling on it knowing it will change nothing.....have fun!

[Rastak]

Nice!

Stick up their ass KC...

[pbmax]

Huge play by Sorensen I think. Massive penetration.

As soon as Burkhead hesitated, Sorensen had time to grab him. Someone big controlled a gap well.

[Joemailman]

This ending should be great.

[Rutnstrut]

Fair enough....enjoy dwelling on it knowing it will change nothing.....have fun!

I'll be sober tomorrow and over it;)

[pbmax]

The center won his matchup but 97 beat a Guard and and clogged the hole. Nicely done big guys.

[pbmax]

Oh man if this goes against NE there will be a new name for Buckner.

[Joemailman]

Did it hit his forearm?

[pbmax]

Did it hit his forearm?

I did not think the spin changed. Laces were end over end and moving like a quarter turn each revolution. I would almost say it his his thumb.

[Rastak]

I'll be sober tomorrow and over it;)



LOL, me too.

[Rastak]

I think it missed him.


Edit: good call.

[pbmax]

Karma.

Romo just did Ball Don’t Lie :)

[Rastak]

He fucked that up - it's setup for the Chiefs......

[pbmax]

Here we go!

[Rastak]

That is a shitty call of the first order.....

[Rutnstrut]

That's a horrible fucking call, and I want the Pats to win.

[pbmax]

Terrible call.

[Rutnstrut]

Holy fucking shitty officiating.

[Rastak]

Hmmmm.....close.

[pbmax]

How the hell can you call one way or the other.

[yetisnowman]

There was no angle I saw that told me the ball 100% did not hit his thumb. Not sure how you overturn that. Ended up working out for KC. That non PI call in Saints/Rams game I think may be the worst blown call in NFL history. In terms of error and gravity of the situation. Really a shame. Two great games and we're talking about the officiating.

[Joemailman]

I think it's a catch.

[pbmax]

A catch.

[Fosco33]

Catch

[Bossman641]

Not a catch

[Rastak]

I think it's a catch.


Agree, looked like a catch.

[Fosco33]

Come on chiefs.

[pbmax]

There was no angle I saw that told me the ball 100% did not hit his thumb. Not sure how you overturn that. Ended up working out for KC. That non PI call in Saints/Rams game I think may be the worst blown call in NFL history. In terms of error and gravity of the situation. Really a shame. Two great games and we're talking about the officiating.

But if you piece together the three angles you can clear each thumb from the other side I think.

[Rutnstrut]

Not just a catch, a great catch.

[Rutnstrut]

But if you piece together the three angles you can clear each thumb from the other side I think.

The thing is, you constantly see less called.

[Rastak]

Go for it and stuff 'em.

[pbmax]

Think that was a marginally favorable spot.

[pbmax]

Lotta time left and somehow Andy Reid has 2 timeouts left.

[Rastak]

Michelle Ma Belle.....she got it in there....

[Joemailman]

2 overtimes today?

[pbmax]

Toub the Magnificent has adjusted the KO return.

[Rastak]

"He does grab around the left shoulder" - He fucking tackled him you idiot!

[Rutnstrut]

Once again no rhyme or reason to what the refs will call in the passing game.

[yetisnowman]

But if you piece together the three angles you can clear each thumb from the other side I think.

My thought too. But the " I think " part is what makes it stand. Or change the rule to where you don't need irrefutable evidence. I didn't see anything 100% there. Oh well

[Rutnstrut]

"He does grab around the left shoulder" - He fucking tackled him you idiot!

That was as much as a slip on the receiver and a flop.

[pbmax]

If you combined the Packers offense with the defenses miscommunication you would get the KC offense.

[Rastak]

Oh man, lol, that was some fucked shit Hoody.....

[Rastak]

Not sure it was catchable on the PI...

[pbmax]

That was as much as a slip on the receiver and a flop.

Same as an O lineman blocking and D lineman going to the ground. You usually get a penalty.

[pbmax]

Schadenfreude that NE gets burned on pick play.

Only problem? Too fast and too much time on clock.

[Fosco33]

Too fast?

[Rutnstrut]

How did they miss that pick play? Officials that is.

[Rastak]

Alcoa fantastic finishes......

[Joemailman]

This is crazy watching teams run plays designed to get a specific receiver open.

[pbmax]

If they made picks completely illegal scoring would drop by a TD a game.

[Rastak]

Patterson is awesome. I wish the Vikings would have kept him.

[pbmax]

Dave Toub is overrated!

[Rutnstrut]

If they made picks completely illegal scoring would drop by a TD a game.



That one was pretty blatant.

[Rutnstrut]

Patterson is awesome. I wish the Vikings would have kept him.

I really like him out of the backfield, he runs hard.

[Rastak]

I really like him out of the backfield, he runs hard.


He's good indeed.

[Guiness]

Are the Chiefs playing prevent?

[pbmax]

Chiefs should just let them score.

[pbmax]

No catch.

[Rastak]

No catch.



Agree.

[Rutnstrut]

No catch.



How, I don't see it clearly hit the ground.

[falco]

How, I don't see it clearly hit the ground.

:roll:

[pbmax]

Oh dear god. That was the game.

[Rutnstrut]

Gronk was even held on that.

[pbmax]

How, I don't see it clearly hit the ground.

It bounced off the ground.

[Rastak]

Seems like Gronk and Brady are still the shit.

[pbmax]

Lost control before the ground, ball bounced off ground back into arms.

[pbmax]

How does Dee Ford line up offside?

[Rutnstrut]

Lost control before the ground, ball bounced off ground back into arms.



I could see the ball moving, I just couldn't clearly see it on the ground. Doesn't matter now. Brady looks adequate for being "done".

[pbmax]

George Foster72
Ya know why Ford was in the neutral zone? Brown was in the backfield

[Rastak]

Damn good game.....

[pbmax]

Wow. He is better moving.

[pbmax]

Second best pass of the night.

[Rastak]

Down the middle.....

[pbmax]

OT!

[Joemailman]

This game was 17-7 after 3 quarters.

[Fosco33]

Could be arguably one of the best duo of games. Two OT champ games?

[pbmax]

Fuck your for mentioning that Nantz!

[pbmax]

Son of a ***** now we get a graphic.

[Rastak]

Could be arguably one of the best duo of games. Two OT champ games?

Yea, amazing crazy stuff.......

[pbmax]

This game was 17-7 after 3 quarters.

Kinda stunned Patriots did not slice this static D worse. Almost no blitzing.

[Rastak]

The Superb Owl hangs in the balance.

[pbmax]

Pass rush getting better?

[Cheesehead Craig]

Is the defense even out there for Kansas City? I'm not seeing any resistance at all the New England. Great another fucking New England Super Bowl

[Teamcheez1]

The Chiefs are going to lose playing the Capers defense.

[pbmax]

Hello higher draft pick!

[Rutnstrut]

Fuckin A right!!!!!!!!!!

[Cheesehead Craig]

I don't see how the Kansas City defensive coordinator keeps his job.

[pbmax]

I don't see how the Kansas City defensive coordinator keeps his job.

Well it was a coin flip from going the other way.

[Rastak]

Man, those Chiefs sure can't close shit down. The last time they won anything it was the AFL Title back when the super bowl was essentially an exhibition game between the two leagues.

[Bossman641]

Pathetic defense. Hit Brady at least once.

[Joemailman]

Chiefs had #31 defense. As great as Mahomes is, it's hard to get to the Superb Owl that way. As the Packers found oit in 2011.

[Iron Mike]

Man, those Chiefs sure can't close shit down. The last time they won anything it was the AFL Title back when the super bowl was essentially an exhibition game between the two leagues.

Nothing against you personally, but there's something hilarious about a Queens fan smack-talking another team about not winning $#1t.....

[Rastak]

Nothing against you personally, but there's something hilarious about a Queens fan smack-talking another team about not winning $#1t.....


We're cool Iron. Vikings won the last NFL Title before the merger.


They were the the Champions of the league so I always laugh at the "empty trophy case" shit. I would never discount the Packers many NFL titles........all the way back.

[mraynrand]

Not a penalty:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxZVPVwXQAADsps.jpg

[mraynrand]

We're cool Iron. Vikings won the last NFL Title before the merger.


They were the the Champions of the league so I always laugh at the "empty trophy case" shit. I would never discount the Packers many NFL titles........all the way back.

Technically true, but grasping at straws nonetheless. Plus, you beat Cleveland.

[pbmax]

Technically true, but grasping at straws nonetheless. Plus, you beat Cleveland.

Counted for something back then.

[pbmax]

Brian Burke @bburkeESPN

Patriots OL Pass Block Win Rates in the AFCCG:
S.Mason 100%
M.Cannon 90%
D.Andrews 87%
J.Thuney 84%
T.Brown 83%
(League average for individual o-lineman is 79%)

Brian Burke @bburkeESPN
One critical aspect of the Patriots' victory tonight that shouldn't be overlooked is their pass protection. The New England offensive line recorded the very best team Pass Block Win Rate (PBWR) of the entire season vs. the Chiefs tonight at 91%. That's... https://t.co/byzp7DDnhU

[Guiness]

So Coleman has admitted he decided taking the penalty was be

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/20/nickell-robey-coleman-oh-hell-yeah-that-was-p-i/


“I just know I got there before the ball got there,” Robey-Coleman said. “And I whacked his ass

[pbmax]

This is the correct take!

BUM CHILLUPS @edsbs
I do not have to respect excellence or recognize it, show me a Tom Brady and I will confuse it for an empty Coke Zero can and throw it in the recycling bin like a broken robot

[pbmax]

So Coleman has admitted he decided taking the penalty was be

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/20/nickell-robey-coleman-oh-hell-yeah-that-was-p-i/

I get it and it needs to get fixed, even if it means more replay. But c'mon. Its a bad call deal with it. Life moved on when the NFL screwed the Packers over the Jerry Rice non catch and the Fail Mary. All we did in reaction was get the replacement refs replaced.

BTW, the idea of limiting replay has really gotten ludicrous. They should just review everything real time.

[pbmax]

Eight plays added to play call sheet the morning of the game. One was the slant to Gronk in the 4th (OT?) for one of the 3 first downs of 10+ yards or more.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/21/nfl-championship-rams-saints-patriots-chiefs-fmia-peter-king/?cid=fmiatwKING

[Joemailman]

I get it and it needs to get fixed, even if it means more replay. But c'mon. Its a bad call deal with it. Life moved on when the NFL screwed the Packers over the Jerry Rice non catch and the Fail Mary. All we did in reaction was get the replacement refs replaced.

BTW, the idea of limiting replay has really gotten ludicrous. They should just review everything real time.

Wasn't the Jerry Rice non-catch call a big factor in the NFL bringing back instant replay for the 1999 season?

[pbmax]

OK, from Spoon and the JSO, I withdraw my claim this was not a penalty :D


https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1087318930505502720/RnW3Nyly?format=jpg&name=600x314

[Joemailman]

Some people should just stay off Twitter.



Brandon Bostick
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[Teamcheez1]

The results of yesterday's games locked us in at pick #30.

We'll see what that gets us.

[wist43]

I think I speak for all NFL fans outside of the Boston area when I say - FUCK THE PATRIOTS!!!

[texaspackerbacker]

I thought it was #29 if New England beat K.C.

[Vincenzo]

I think I speak for all NFL fans outside of the Boston area when I say - FUCK THE PATRIOTS!!!
What I find scary to read this morning is the stark reminder that Brady and Billecheat can walk away with their 6th Super Bowl ring they’re 2 points favourites versus the Rams, so go Rams.

[Fritz]

I thought it was #29 if New England beat K.C.

That's what I thought, too.

[mraynrand]

I thought it was #29 if New England beat K.C.

KC was 12-4, NO was 13-3. I originally thought it was the other way around. NO gets the 30th pick (GB's pick), KC the 29th, unless I'm figuring it wrong.

[pbmax]

OK, from Spoon and the JSO, I withdraw my claim this was not a penalty :D


https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1087318930505502720/RnW3Nyly?format=jpg&name=600x314

Though I still don't understand why the WR is reach back for the ball?

[Freak Out]

I would be fried if the Packers lost on a non-call like that but the outrage and demands that Roger Roger change the outcome is ludicrous.

[Joemailman]

It was a horrible call non-call and the Saints almost surely win the game if the right call is made. Still, the Saints still had a chance to win the game. Their defense could have stopped the Rams from driving for the tying field goal. Drew Brees could have NOT thrown an interception in overtime.

[mraynrand]

It was a horrible call non-call and the Saints almost surely win the game if the right call is made. Still, the Saints still had a chance to win the game. Their defense could have stopped the Rams from driving for the tying field goal. Drew Brees could have NOT thrown an interception in overtime.



I would be fried if the Packers lost on a non-call like that but the outrage and demands that Roger Roger change the outcome is ludicrous.

All true. The correct response is for the Saints to refuse to accept their silver medals.

[Fosco33]

It was a horrible call non-call and the Saints almost surely win the game if the right call is made. Still, the Saints still had a chance to win the game. Their defense could have stopped the Rams from driving for the tying field goal. Drew Brees could have NOT thrown an interception in overtime.

Yup. And Sean shoUldve moved on and settled the team instead of fueling it

[Freak Out]

Just call me Mr. Schadenfreude please. lol

[Freak Out]

The BS roughing call on 3rd down against the Chiefs was just as bad. It was the only time they got close to Brady.

[pbmax]

The BS roughing call on 3rd down against the Chiefs was just as bad. It was the only time they got close to Brady.

Was that the same play that Brady threw with his eyes closed? Loved that replay.

[pbmax]

I am going to keep saying it, all plays should be reviewable at all times. Its where this is headed and you could end it now by being sensible.

[run pMc]

The BS roughing call on 3rd down against the Chiefs was just as bad. It was the only time they got close to Brady.

I didn't like that call either. I really hope they fix all the rules with hitting the QB. It's caused a lot of confusion and changed the outcome of several games this year.

[pbmax]

I didn't like that call either. I really hope they fix all the rules with hitting the QB. It's caused a lot of confusion and changed the outcome of several games this year.

I don't know how you fix that unless you review it. From behind, the Head Ref thought he got hit in the facemask because of the blow itself and Brady flinching. Only looks like a terrible call from replay from the defenses point of view.

[Rutnstrut]

The BS roughing call on 3rd down against the Chiefs was just as bad. It was the only time they got close to Brady.



It was a terrible call and I'm a Patriots fan. But it was nowhere near as bad as the Saints no call.

[Bretsky]

I am going to keep saying it, all plays should be reviewable at all times. Its where this is headed and you could end it now by being sensible.


You can't review everything

Give the coaches 3 challenges/game and let them challenge 3 obvious referee f'ck ups and only overturn the obvious ones.

[QBME]

I think I speak for all NFL fans outside of the Boston area when I say - FUCK THE PATRIOTS!!!

I don’t know.. why all the Pat’s hate? A single PSI in a football? Recording a practice session 10 feet outside the “box”? Brady’s wife is hotter than anything you could ever get close to? Belichick is actually a football genius?

I grew up in Waukesha County. Graduated High School and College in Milwaukee. Long commutes but worth it.

Moved to Illinois for employment opportunity and have been here for 40 plus years – my sports heart and soul are in Wisconsin.

In the 1990’s Michael Jordon came to the Bull’s. New family, short on cash, went to see him and the Bulls every chance I could afford in spite of the fact I am a lifelong Bucks fan. Because I knew it was special. Something I can tell my grandkids about. I saw the man. Did not make me any less of a Bucks fan.

Now Brady and Belichick. Same gig. Same grandkids. I am witnessing greatness and am gratified for the opportunity.

Go Pack.

[pbmax]

You can't review everything

Give the coaches 3 challenges/game and let them challenge 3 obvious referee f'ck ups and only overturn the obvious ones.

They are more than halfway there. Scoring and turnover plays already get automatic reviews. Plus OT and 2MW.

I'd be OK with 3 challenge flags but you have to make all calls reviewable or it doesn't fix this.

And I would like to amend my contention about the best system:

Best to less best

1. Forget replay exists
2. Review everything at all times in NY

[bobblehead]

I am going to keep saying it, all plays should be reviewable at all times. Its where this is headed and you could end it now by being sensible.

Agreed. Personally I think the officials were so bad sunday that BOTH the wrong teams are in the Owl. 3 flags and you can throw them on holding and PI....especially PI because it flips fields. I guess any call makes sense, but I wouldn't challenge a 5 yard false start. Holding that was a horrible call that wipes out a 20 yard gain...maybe.

How about lining up offsides when the network wouldn't show us a straight line angle after Tom threw a pick. We got 73 angles on a muffled punt but zero on a simple one like lining up offsides.

[Freak Out]

It was a terrible call and I'm a Patriots fan. But it was nowhere near as bad as the Saints no call.

The Saints/Rams non call was far more obvious but the result was the same.

[pbmax]

Agreed. Personally I think the officials were so bad sunday that BOTH the wrong teams are in the Owl. 3 flags and you can throw them on holding and PI....especially PI because it flips fields. I guess any call makes sense, but I wouldn't challenge a 5 yard false start. Holding that was a horrible call that wipes out a 20 yard gain...maybe.

How about lining up offsides when the network wouldn't show us a straight line angle after Tom threw a pick. We got 73 angles on a muffled punt but zero on a simple one like lining up offsides.

Twitter had that one and said Brown (or the OT anyway) was way off the LOS to counter speed (as in illegal formation) and that threw Ford off and he lined up in the neutral zone much to the dismay of the Chiefs, Klingons and the Organians.

[call_me_ishmael]

I don’t know.. why all the Pat’s hate? A single PSI in a football? Recording a practice session 10 feet outside the “box”? Brady’s wife is hotter than anything you could ever get close to? Belichick is actually a football genius?

I grew up in Waukesha County. Graduated High School and College in Milwaukee. Long commutes but worth it.

Moved to Illinois for employment opportunity and have been here for 40 plus years – my sports heart and soul are in Wisconsin.

In the 1990’s Michael Jordon came to the Bull’s. New family, short on cash, went to see him and the Bulls every chance I could afford in spite of the fact I am a lifelong Bucks fan. Because I knew it was special. Something I can tell my grandkids about. I saw the man. Did not make me any less of a Bucks fan.

Now Brady and Belichick. Same gig. Same grandkids. I am witnessing greatness and am gratified for the opportunity.

Go Pack.

Great post and I 100% agree. How can you not root for the Pats? It is insane what they've accomplished in my adult-ish life.

[pbmax]

Do you crazed galoots root for the Yankees?


:shock:

[pbmax]

On whether NFL overtime should give both teams a guaranteed possession:

Packer Report and a bunch of others: play some defense, huh?

Scott Kacsmar @FO_ScottKacsmar
Aaron Rodgers doesn't see the ball in 2014-15.
Matt Ryan doesn't see the ball in 2016.
Patrick Mahomes doesn't see the ball in 2018.

We really going to stick with this OT system for the playoffs? Who wins a coin toss?

Paige Murphy @paigeomurphy
Only offense matters now? Ok

Scott Kacsmar @FO_ScottKacsmar
Correlation between team win% and passing EPA is 0.7 since 2011.

[pbmax]

Hockey technically has sudden death in OT, but each team, in virtually all games, gets the puck during OT. Usually multiple times.

Basketball plays a set time with each team getting multiple possessions.

Baseball plays full innings with each team getting at bats in their own half inning.

Football used to have sudden death which made some sense in the low scoring age of football. But as offenses got better, rules changed and defenses fell behind, the first team with the ball usually won. Now I liked Sudden Death and still would prefer it to any system around (who needs 20-30 more minutes of Joe Buck?)

However, not knowing who gets the coin flip causes each side to be cautious and play for ties. This is bullsnot for two reasons: 1) conservative offensive football trying to drain clock to preserve a tie is boring, 2) counting on luck to win you a game is just dumb

So I would marry SD with no coin flip. You received the first half kick? Kicked off the second half off? Guess what, you are receiving the OT kickoff. With no coin flip, one team has a massive incentive to try to win the game outright. No one cares about deferring your choice to the second half.

One team desperately wanting to get to OT, one team desperately wanting to avoid it. And it doesn't fall along home/visitor or favorite/underdog lines.

Just do it.

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't see any reason to change things. I hate the college way that often degenerates into a war of attrition. Any fairness issue with the current way can be dismissed by the fact that any perceived benefit evens out over time from one team to the next. Any thought that defense goes out the window in overtime is just silly. Get a stop, and the whole thing flips around. The thing I don't like is cutting back from 15 minutes to 10. I wouldn't mind going back to straight sudden death, but nothing I've heard suggested or nothing I can think of would be better than the way it is right now.

[call_me_ishmael]

If they keep it the way it is now, I would propose a 10 minute "rest period" for players to recover and get themselves right before OT starts, similar to half-time.

[ThunderDan]

Hockey technically has sudden death in OT, but each team, in virtually all games, gets the puck during OT. Usually multiple times.

Basketball plays a set time with each team getting multiple possessions.

Baseball plays full innings with each team getting at bats in their own half inning.

Football used to have sudden death which made some sense in the low scoring age of football. But as offenses got better, rules changed and defenses fell behind, the first team with the ball usually won. Now I liked Sudden Death and still would prefer it to any system around (who needs 20-30 more minutes of Joe Buck?)

However, not knowing who gets the coin flip causes each side to be cautious and play for ties. This is bullsnot for two reasons: 1) conservative offensive football trying to drain clock to preserve a tie is boring, 2) counting on luck to win you a game is just dumb

So I would marry SD with no coin flip. You received the first half kick? Kicked off the second half off? Guess what, you are receiving the OT kickoff. With no coin flip, one team has a massive incentive to try to win the game outright. No one cares about deferring your choice to the second half.

One team desperately wanting to get to OT, one team desperately wanting to avoid it. And it doesn't fall along home/visitor or favorite/underdog lines.

Just do it.

Team that scores last in regulation gets the ball first in OT. That solves the coin flip issues.

[pbmax]

Team that scores last in regulation gets the ball first in OT. That solves the coin flip issues.

I could live with that too.

[pbmax]

If they keep it the way it is now, I would propose a 10 minute "rest period" for players to recover and get themselves right before OT starts, similar to half-time.

I had no idea you worked as an ad executive.

[call_me_ishmael]

I had no idea you worked as an ad executive.

Please, call me Don.

[Rutnstrut]

Why not just have a designated warrior on each team. In case of OT they fight to the death, winner gets the ball first. To be fair the designated warrior does not have to be on the 53.

[Bretsky]

I think I speak for all NFL fans outside of the Boston area when I say - FUCK THE PATRIOTS!!!


The Rams have always been my 2nd favorite team since the days of the unrecognized HOF quarterback ((kidding) VInce Ferragamo.

But I like the Pats too; I've always appreciated greatness.

The Rams have WAY more talent than NE; the game should be an ez one. But I have estimated the Hoody Geniuses before.

IF the Rams win, it may help justify everybody whose wiped the Rams coaches ass getting hired as coaches lately...lol

[pbmax]

The Rams have always been my 2nd favorite team since the days of the unrecognized HOF quarterback ((kidding) VInce Ferragamo.

But I like the Pats too; I've always appreciated greatness.

The Rams have WAY more talent than NE; the game should be an ez one. But I have estimated the Hoody Geniuses before.

IF the Rams win, it may help justify everybody whose wiped the Rams coaches ass getting hired as coaches lately...lol

Oh stop it. Brady is light years ahead of Goff. The Rams have a much better WR corp. Gronk wins at TE.

I would happily take whichever O line you think run blocks worse.

On defense the Rams have two huge names and the 19th ranked defense with a horrible back end. NE is 16th with no names.

[Bretsky]

Oh stop it. Brady is light years ahead of Goff. The Rams have a much better WR corp. Gronk wins at TE.

I would happily take whichever O line you think run blocks worse.

On defense the Rams have two huge names and the 19th ranked defense with a horrible back end. NE is 16th with no names.


Brady is way better and Goff
Ram RB's are better than NE
Rams OL is better then NE
Rams WR's are better than NE
Gronk is better than NE's TE, whoever that is

Rams DL is better than Pats DL
Rams CB"s are better than Pats CB's
Rams LB's are as good or better than Pats
I think the Pats safeties are better but not by a ton

[texaspackerbacker]

Two New Orleans Saints season-ticket holders filed a lawsuit against the NFL on Tuesday, asking a Louisiana state court judge to order Commissioner Roger Goodell to invoke an obscure rule that could force the final moments of Sunday's NFC Championship game to be replayed. According to Rule 17, Section 2, Article 1 of the NFL rulebook, the league commissioner "has the sole authority to investigate and take appropriate disciplinary and/or corrective measures if any club action, non-participant interference, or calamity occurs in an NFL game which the Commissioner deems so extraordinarily unfair or outside the accepted tactics encountered in professional football that such action has a major effect on the result of the game." Remedies include reversal of a game's result or the rescheduling of a game -- in its entirety or from the point when the act occurred. (from a Fox News article by Samuel Chamberlain)

If they invoked this, it would set a weird and IMO bad precedent. The call was not nearly as egregious as the "Fail Mary" play was to the Packers, and I don't recall any lawsuit talk or possibility of invoking this rule back then.

[pbmax]

Brady is way better and Goff
Ram RB's are better than NE
Rams OL is better then NE
Rams WR's are better than NE
Gronk is better than NE's TE, whoever that is

Rams DL is better than Pats DL
Rams CB"s are better than Pats CB's
Rams LB's are as good or better than Pats
I think the Pats safeties are better but not by a ton

We are going to need Cliff Christl (or his non-union Mexican replacement Cleft Crusty) to do a red chip/blue chip player analysis to settle this :lol:

[call_me_ishmael]

Pats win the super bowl. LA is overrated.

[mraynrand]

If they invoked this, it would set a weird and IMO bad precedent.

I think the chances are really very very high that the NFC Championship game will be re-started from the interference play and allowed to continue. It will be played this Sunday from 1:00 to 1:15. Saints versus Patriots, Baby!!!

[Cheesehead Craig]

Two New Orleans Saints season-ticket holders filed a lawsuit against the NFL on Tuesday, asking a Louisiana state court judge to order Commissioner Roger Goodell to invoke an obscure rule that could force the final moments of Sunday's NFC Championship game to be replayed. According to Rule 17, Section 2, Article 1 of the NFL rulebook, the league commissioner "has the sole authority to investigate and take appropriate disciplinary and/or corrective measures if any club action, non-participant interference, or calamity occurs in an NFL game which the Commissioner deems so extraordinarily unfair or outside the accepted tactics encountered in professional football that such action has a major effect on the result of the game." Remedies include reversal of a game's result or the rescheduling of a game -- in its entirety or from the point when the act occurred. (from a Fox News article by Samuel Chamberlain)

If they invoked this, it would set a weird and IMO bad precedent. The call was not nearly as egregious as the "Fail Mary" play was to the Packers, and I don't recall any lawsuit talk or possibility of invoking this rule back then.

Just to add on to tex's point, the next article states:
Article 2, "The Commissioner will not apply authority in cases of complaints by clubs concerning judgmental errors or routine errors of omission by game officials. Games involving such complaints will continue to stand as completed."

So Roger can just state that he's following Article 2 and not do a damn thing. I happen to agree that doing this sets a very dangerous precedent and one that every friggin' team will be able to use when they feel an official's call screws them over. Heck, there will be owners demanding to talk to Roger to review things mid-game they didn't like. Do we really want more Roger in today's NFL?

[hoosier]

Two New Orleans Saints season-ticket holders filed a lawsuit against the NFL on Tuesday, asking a Louisiana state court judge to order Commissioner Roger Goodell to invoke an obscure rule that could force the final moments of Sunday's NFC Championship game to be replayed. According to Rule 17, Section 2, Article 1 of the NFL rulebook, the league commissioner "has the sole authority to investigate and take appropriate disciplinary and/or corrective measures if any club action, non-participant interference, or calamity occurs in an NFL game which the Commissioner deems so extraordinarily unfair or outside the accepted tactics encountered in professional football that such action has a major effect on the result of the game." Remedies include reversal of a game's result or the rescheduling of a game -- in its entirety or from the point when the act occurred. (from a Fox News article by Samuel Chamberlain)

If they invoked this, it would set a weird and IMO bad precedent. The call was not nearly as egregious as the "Fail Mary" play was to the Packers, and I don't recall any lawsuit talk or possibility of invoking this rule back then.

Not going to happen, no chance. The rules specifically exclude judgment calls by refs as part of the palpably unfair acts of god clause.

EDIT: Only now do I see that Cheesy Craig beat me to it.

[mraynrand]

Just to add on to tex's point, the next article states:
Article 2, "The Commissioner will not apply authority in cases of complaints by clubs concerning judgmental errors or routine errors of omission by game officials. Games involving such complaints will continue to stand as completed."

Refs were paid off! That's not judgmental! 'Routine' errors?!?!?! Define ROUTINE! AAAAAAAARRGGGGGGG!!!!

Replay the game! Replay the game! SUE SUE SUE SUE!!! Go to SCOTUS!

[call_me_ishmael]

This is legitimately one of the worst calls in NFL history. This is what we call "The fix is in" lol. https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/1088118505906597888

[pbmax]

Mike Renfro is silently weeping at the injustice of it all.

And how he played a small part in condemning us with instant replay.

[Fritz]

Two New Orleans Saints season-ticket holders filed a lawsuit against the NFL on Tuesday, asking a Louisiana state court judge to order Commissioner Roger Goodell to invoke an obscure rule that could force the final moments of Sunday's NFC Championship game to be replayed. According to Rule 17, Section 2, Article 1 of the NFL rulebook, the league commissioner "has the sole authority to investigate and take appropriate disciplinary and/or corrective measures if any club action, non-participant interference, or calamity occurs in an NFL game which the Commissioner deems so extraordinarily unfair or outside the accepted tactics encountered in professional football that such action has a major effect on the result of the game." Remedies include reversal of a game's result or the rescheduling of a game -- in its entirety or from the point when the act occurred. (from a Fox News article by Samuel Chamberlain)

If they invoked this, it would set a weird and IMO bad precedent. The call was not nearly as egregious as the "Fail Mary" play was to the Packers, and I don't recall any lawsuit talk or possibility of invoking this rule back then.

Anyone care to join me in a class-action lawsuit regarding Mike Sherman's ridiculous, clearly outside-the-accepted-tactics punting the ball on fourth and one when Ahman Green had been having his way with the Eagles's defense like a farmer with a lamb stuck in a fence? Or maybe McCarthy's decision-making in multiple places against the Seahawks in the NFC championship game a few years back?

[texaspackerbacker]

Refs were paid off! That's not judgmental! 'Routine' errors?!?!?! Define ROUTINE! AAAAAAAARRGGGGGGG!!!!

Replay the game! Replay the game! SUE SUE SUE SUE!!! Go to SCOTUS!

Rand, it seems like you are employing politics-level sarcasm here in a football thread ...... or are your two previous posts your real views? At any rate, they'd have to prove any allegations like that. Even if true - and I very much doubt they are, it's highly unlikely there's a smoking gun out there.

[pbmax]

Boy, I love instant replay so much I am sure I will enjoy replaying either segments or the entirety of games.

[mraynrand]

Rand, it seems like you are employing politics-level sarcasm here in a football thread ...... or are your two previous posts your real views? At any rate, they'd have to prove any allegations like that. Even if true - and I very much doubt they are, it's highly unlikely there's a smoking gun out there.

Of course this is sarcasm. The refs blew the call. It's over. Sucks to be the Saints and Saint fans but there's nothing they can do but beef about it for the rest of their days.

I used to have this guy tape games for me and send the videos. Got to be friends and he sent me the article he wrote to the local paper complaining about the Jerry Rice non-fumble call in the WC round of 1998. Might have been the Wisconsin State Journal. I don't recall. But it was a perfectly awesome fan letter filled with his testimony regarding the decades of loyal fanship and righteous indignation over the injustice of the blown (non) call. Maybe it made him feel better, but somehow I doubt it.

Fritz is re-hashing the 2003 loss at Philly, and while that used to drive me crazy, that loss, and the anger about the losses to the Rams in 2001, ATL in 2002, Vikings in 2004, Giants in 2007, and AZ in 2009 all kind of went away after the SB win in 2010, especially since they beat the Bears in the NFL Championship to get there. I think I will feel the same way about the Giants (2011), 579! and Seattle (2014) losses when they win their next SB, although I have to admit, I just don't care as much anymore. (As much as I disliked the 2013 loss to SF, the wins over Dallas and Chicago that year were so great as to make the year one of the most positively memorable of all the years I've watched the Packers. I don't really need them to win the Championship or to enjoy a specific year and often I don't need them to win a game to enjoy that particular game. Of course, if they get screwed by the refs like Interceptouchdown, it will piss me off all over again!

[Bossman641]

Pats win the super bowl. LA is overrated.

Agreed. Rams might have big names on D but they haven't played up to it.

[pbmax]

I think of this game much differently now, not because of what we know about Belicheat and Brady, but because of what we know about Mike Martz.

Football, play by play, is about numbers on either side of the ball or in an area. Cheat knew Martz was sending 4 or 5 out on a pattern every time. So he committed that many DBs to the job before almost anyone else did. He also knew he was facing a 5 man protection. So he could rush with five and fool the line about where the fifth guy was coming.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playoffs/2019/1/24/18195420/10-observations-rams-patriots-super-bowl-xxxvi-bill-belichick-tom-brady

[mraynrand]

I think of this game much differently now, not because of what we know about Belicheat and Brady, but because of what we know about Mike Martz.

Football, play by play, is about numbers on either side of the ball or in an area. Cheat knew Martz was sending 4 or 5 out on a pattern every time. So he committed that many DBs to the job before almost anyone else did. He also knew he was facing a 5 man protection. So he could rush with five and fool the line about where the fifth guy was coming.

And hold like crazy

[pbmax]

And hold like crazy

That too.

[pbmax]

Finally, a completely objective review of why the Saints were wrong. Penalties! Tipped ball! Review would have upheld the call!

It's all here.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrJdvpsV9Q0

[Freak Out]

If Gurley is healthy and plays the rams win. If he is a weak decoy then its a game.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Finally, a completely objective review of why the Saints were wrong. Penalties! Tipped ball! Review would have upheld the call!

It's all here.



While I ain’t an NFL rules lawyer, I’m pretty sure I’ve seen an instance where the Packers offense got 15 yards and automatic 1st down on a play where at least an offensive and a defensive player committed a foul. Now I might be wrong but i’m pretty sure I ain’t.

For example, A-Rod is holding onto the rock for eons. In the process, Bulaga bear hugs Mack to prevent a sack. Finally, after 10 seconds, A-Rod slangs the rock to Adams 30 yards downfield, but Adams is tackled by a DB while the rock is enroute. Mack breaks free of Bulaga’s illegal bear hug and strikes A-Rod late.

Instead off-setting penalties and replaying the down, the Packers get 15 yards and the chain b/c of the personal foul.

Even if a Rams was held. Even if the ball was tipped, making pass interference moot, the Aints shoulda gotten 15 yards and the chain for the helmet to helmet, from my understanding of the rules. Am I wrong?

[hoosier]

Check the tight rotation on Brees's spiral. Pass wasn't tipped. I take the main point about why adding non calls to the menu of replayables would be a disaster, though.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Check the tight rotation on Brees's spiral. Pass wasn't tipped. I take the main point about why adding non calls to the menu of replayables would be a disaster, though.

Aren't tipped passes reviewable? If so, the zebra should've simply fired his flag since it was clear as day that TommyLee got wrecked. Let replay pick up the flag or not. Zebra's excuse for the no call was that he thought rock was tipped.

[texaspackerbacker]

It moved the Packers up a place or two in the draft. That's all that matters. It's all good.

[pbmax]

Check the tight rotation on Brees's spiral. Pass wasn't tipped. I take the main point about why adding non calls to the menu of replayables would be a disaster, though.

Artifacts from the digital confabulation render poorly on most consumer level PCs and tablets. So it can be very tricky to discern the pattern of small objects on such a compressed video.

If we had the raw video data, THEN we could really get down to work!

[Fritz]

That's what I say. If it helps the Packers, even a smidgeon, then it's good.

[pbmax]

Also need to see crackhead speed mentioned in draft coverage going forward.

Bleacher Report: https://t.co/vL98zgyHKh

Tyler Dunne @TyDunne
When Jacoby Jones shocked the Broncos, it was so quiet "you could hear a rat piss on cotton." Then, he stunned the 49ers. Fun time looking back with this SB hero who's determined to give back to Lane College, the school that gave him a chance at life.

Also, this. Where did Jacoby Jones get his trademark speed? His theory: "My dad was a crackhead, so all that s--t he was smoking was probably in my genes. That's why I don't do drugs. People say I run like a crackhead. I wonder why."

[Rastak]

Should have a Superb Owl thread...

[pbmax]

Its should have been.

But the rest of the playoffs sucked mostly, so, eh.