OFFICIAL FIRST ROUND DRAFT DAY THREAD

[Rastak]

Cool, Panthers take an edge guy.

[Zool]

I agreed with this until I realized its not going to stop the posts.

What are the odds Metcalf is still available at 30? Dun dun dunnnnn

[Bretsky]

Not only would TJ Watt Look good in Green n Gold............I'd still take Eliott Wolf over Gooter

BTW, Draft fell GREAT for the Vikings to get an OT

[jklowan]

At least my Bruins won tonight, evenings not a total failure

[red]

What are the odds Metcalf is still available at 30? Dun dun dunnnnn

why not continue the theme of drafting players that underproduced in college?

[Iron Mike]

I wonder if Gary is viewed as a replacement for Mike Daniels. All talent and no production for all talk and no production.

[HarveyWallbangers]

hope you're right

and that he finally discovers motivation

Work ethic isn't the issue from what I've heard. He plays hard.

[wist43]

I think he'll play a similar role as Z. Smith. OLB on early downs. Inside rusher on passing downs.

My guess is he won't be playing much at all...

He's got the Labrum issue already, he was always in the trainers room at Michigan, he produced exactly nothing in college.

He might have been available in the 3rd round if not for Gute.

Just a horrific pick.

[pbmax]

What are the odds Metcalf is still available at 30? Dun dun dunnnnn

I can get this aggravation at work thank-you-very-much.

[woodbuck27]

You discredit him for the Rodgers pick and blame him for Guteys picks. Do you see how weird this is, woodbuck?

Allow me then to clarify. Did you ever imagine I bought into TT?

CLEARLY I DIDN'T.

Yet my comment was directed to just how I'll conceived I believe this pick was. TT was known for falling in love with Prospects that performed extremely well at the Combine.

Give me the lunch pail get the job done guy every time. We picked a prospect that didn't produce in College as a first round pick.

That's simply wrong..

[esoxx]

And to think, if Pack wouldn't have won the shit bowl game late season against the Jets, they could have had their pick of Oliver, Bush, or Hockenson.

YEAHhhHHHHhh!!!!

[Zool]

Giant have to take a WR here now right?

[jmbarnes101]

Not only would TJ Watt Look good in Green n Gold............I'd still take Eliott Wolf over Gooter

BTW, Draft fell GREAT for the Vikings to get an OT

This pick is what happens because they took King over Watt. You and I were both right that night.

[pbmax]

I wonder if Gary is viewed as a replacement for Mike Daniels. All talent and no production for all talk and no production.

Think he is too small for 3 tech.

[red]

jesus christ

that QB from duke that the giants just drafted looks just as inbred as manning

[red]

And to think, if Pack wouldn't have won the shit bowl game late season against the Jets, they could have had their pick of Oliver, Bush, or Hockenson.

YEAHhhHHHHhh!!!!

yup

someone just had to win that meaningless game

[RashanGary]

What are the odds Metcalf is still available at 30? Dun dun dunnnnn

Oh fuck! Nooo!!!!

[pbmax]

CAROLINA: OLB, Brian Burns

6'5"
249 lbs
Florida State
2 POS RK
14 OVR RK
90 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Brian Burns
Brian Burns is a hybrid defensive end/linebacker prospect from Florida State.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Burns is a productive pass-rusher with room to grow. He consistently wins with his snap awareness and elite initial burst off the edge. He needs to develop his array of pass-rush moves and add more power elements. He has experience dropping into coverage and is athletic enough to do so in the NFL.

[pbmax]

Packers getting it from all quarters on Twitter:

Bill Ferrario @Bill_Ferrario
If the #Packers are switching back to a 4-3 I hope someone shot Pettine a text message or at least FB Messaged him before taking that pick.

[Bretsky]

And to think, if Pack wouldn't have won the shit bowl game late season against the Jets, they could have had their pick of Oliver, Bush, or Hockenson.

YEAHhhHHHHhh!!!!


THOSE WHO WANTED TO SIT DOWN RODGERS


Net Result of winning that dam game

[Bretsky]

Oh fuck! Nooo!!!!


Which would be the better value?

Gary at 12 or Metcalf at 30 ?

[Guiness]

I wonder if Gary is viewed as a replacement for Mike Daniels. All talent and no production for all talk and no production.

Daniels was what, a 4th round pick? Can't be upset about what he has given the team.

[RashanGary]

Allow me then to clarify. Did you ever imagine I bought into TT?

CLEARLY I DIDN'T.

Tt won a sb almost entirely made up of players he drafted or signed.

What does tt have to do with guteys picks?

[Bretsky]

This pick is what happens because they took King over Watt. You and I were both right that night.



YUPPP

[RashanGary]

Which would be the better value?

Gary at 12 or Metcalf at 30 ?

Lol!!! I like Gary better at 12.

[smuggler]

Leos got Hock. Vikes get their pick of Taylor or Dillard. Not a good 1st Round for GB, by my guess.

[Bretsky]

TT gets credit for having the balls to draft AROD and lead us to a SB. I didn't really like him that much at all but I have to give him credit for bringing a title to GB

[Rastak]

Damn Vikes have a wide selection of OL available.......I haven't done any research before the draft but surprises me. Last year there was a huge run on OL and basically no one left although they were picking much later of course.

[pbmax]

YUPPP

Watt is not Gary sized. Look at Harv's post about the new OLBs on Packers.

[pbmax]

GIANTS: DT, Dexter Lawrence

6'5", 342 lbs
Clemson

5 POS RK
26 OVR RK
89 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Dexter Lawrence
Dexter Lawrence is a defensive tackle from Clemson who was named first-team All-ACC in his final season.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Lawrence is a massive interior defensive lineman with excellent length and good quickness for his size. He rarely gives ground one-on-one and is capable of anchoring against double-teams. He's a developing pass-rusher who flashes the ability to collapse the pocket but lacks a counter move.

[Guiness]

What are the odds Metcalf is still available at 30? Dun dun dunnnnn

Or Lock...

[Joemailman]

Lance Zierlein of NFL.com believes Gary has “elite potential.”

“He’s explosive out of the blocks and in closing to the quarterback, and is just waiting for hand development and additional rush moves,” Zierlein wrote. “His size, strength and motor could make him a plus run defender in short order. He has elite potential if a defensive coordinator can harness the energy and focus his approach.”

Gary was more productive in 2017. Maybe the labrum was a factor in 2018?

[esoxx]

THOSE WHO WANTED TO SIT DOWN RODGERS


Net Result of winning that dam game

Then to top it off, they still play Rodgers the next week against Lions in week 17..... and he gets concussed!

That was so mismanaged. Marcia should have put his foot down. No confidence in that guy.

[woodbuck27]

After that trash pick, I doubt I will stay up to see pick #30. I'm expecting a punter or kicker.

That pick is lousy and too much to recover from. Gutey had a load of needs. He had to pick a day one sure fire starter. Make that oh wow terrific pick.

[Zool]

Or Lock...

Literally anyone but Metcalf at this point.

[Rastak]

OK, they took a fine OL from what I hear.....cool.

[Teamcheez1]

The problem with the Gary pick is that this should be a player that comes in and produces from Day 1. This should not be a developmental or high risk pick with the players left on the board. You don't choose a "boom or bust" prospect at #12.

[Zool]

OK, they took a fine OL from what I hear.....cool.

Elfline move inside?

Edit: I mean to guard.

[wist43]

Tt won a sb almost entirely made up of players he drafted or signed.

What does tt have to do with guteys picks?

Having purchased game tickets, tshirts, and a variety of memorabilia over the years - this pick makes me feel dirty and ashamed to think I have contributed to it :cry:

[pbmax]

MINNESOTA: C, Garrett Bradbury

6'3", 306 lbs
NC State

1 POS RK
18 OVR RK
90 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Garrett Bradbury
Garrett Bradbury is a center from NC State who won the 2018 Rimington Trophy as the nation's top center.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Bradbury is a natural knee-bender with excellent quickness and agility. He's an outstanding pass-blocker who has great awareness and mirrors well. Although he isn't a powerful drive blocker and fits best in zone-heavy schemes, he is tough and technically sound. He's a leader with a professional work ethic.

[smuggler]

Yes that was a telegraphed pick, Rastak, but he's a good enough center to have been mocked in the teens frequently, so he's very likely going to be a very good player.

[pbmax]

Are there any first round graded EDGE pass rush left? Or is it the hunt for Fant now?

OL too I suppose.

[Rastak]

Elfline move inside?

Edit: I mean to guard.

I think so, I had heard they were looking at that anyway.

[Strange Brew]

We blew it! Metcalf is going to be a superstar!! I thought for sure we were going to pick him.

[wist43]

Gary was more productive in 2017. Maybe the labrum was a factor in 2018?

You mean '19-20 don't you??

[Bretsky]

Then to top it off, they still play Rodgers the next week against Lions in week 17..... and he gets concussed!

That was so mismanaged. Marcia should have put his foot down. No confidence in that guy.


I called out that fucking fruitcake Marcia Marcia Marcia at the time for that. Very sad.

And then we found out AROD was playing with an injury all year ? Dammit MARCIA

[pbmax]

TENNESSEE: DT, Jeffery Simmons

6'4", 305 lbs
Mississippi State

4 POS RK
16 OVR RK
90 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Jeffery Simmons
Jeffery Simmons is a defensive tackle out of Mississippi State who is a projected first-round pick in the draft, but tore his ACL in February.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Simmons is a well-built defensive tackle who plays with natural leverage and is stout for his size. He has long arms and above-average upper-body strength. He made strides as a hand fighter in 2018. He tore the ACL in his left knee while training for the draft in February.

[pbmax]

Could be worse, you could be at Megatron's Butthole in Atlanta

https://twitter.com/knoxbardeen/status/1121593355761258496

[Harlan Huckleby]

Who the fuck takes a 300lb OG with the 13th pick. Fuck that

I'd take that shitty pick over the Packers shitty pick. I think that guy can play OT.

[Bretsky]

my draft day excitement is zapped; I have no idea who I even want at 30. All of the guys I waned went from 7-10. Seems like Goot took the guy nobody wanted.

Anybody find somebody who loves this pick ?

[pbmax]

He will be there to learn at the feet of Dan Snyder

Calvin Watkins @calvinwatkins
Dwayne Haskins had a draft party where he charged people $50 to get in. Always need a side hustle.

[wist43]

my draft day excitement is zapped; I have no idea who I even want at 30. All of the guys I waned went from 7-10. Seems like Goot took the guy nobody wanted.

Anybody find somebody who loves this pick ?

He's already a bust... he'll be constantly banged up, flash occasional potential, and will be cut in 3-4 years.

Can't see any other outcome.

[jklowan]

sweat to the chickens

[Rastak]

Well, I would never expect a GM to indicate they hate their pick - everybody says "he was on top of our board"

"Rick Spielman says the Vikings had been monitoring Garrett Bradbury for the last year. Called him a “perfect fit for what we were looking for” as it pertains to the outside zone scheme the team is going to run."

[Rastak]

Packers traded up!

[Rastak]

Wake up guys.

[Bretsky]

GB JUST TRADED UP

[pbmax]

ELWAYS: TE, Noah Fant

6'4", 249 lbs
Iowa

2 POS RK
12 OVR RK
90 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Noah Fant
Noah Fant is a tight end out of Iowa who caught 19 touchdowns during his stint with the Hawkeyes.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Fant is essentially a bulked-up slot receiver with the size, speed and athleticism to create mismatches in the passing game. He's fast enough to stretch the field and has the quickness to threaten after the catch. He's a natural hands catcher with above-average body control, but his focus is a bit inconsistent.

[Deputy Nutz]

GB JUST TRADED UP

Why?

[red]

my draft day excitement is zapped; I have no idea who I even want at 30. All of the guys I waned went from 7-10. Seems like Goot took the guy nobody wanted.

Anybody find somebody who loves this pick ?

after the pick at 12. i had it, so i hit it, and i've been zoned out ever since

[pbmax]

There was talk today that GB wanted to move up and Seattle was the likeliest place. But it was for QB.

[Zool]

Packers traded up!

It’s 2009 all over again. The next pick will end up being good.

[smuggler]

Trade up for an OT? Taylor? Dillard?

[Deputy Nutz]

Packers are really approaching this draft with a much different big board than other teams

[Bretsky]

30 to 21 for 2 fourth round draft picks

Not sure I like this at all

any elite guys left ???

[red]

maybe we traded gary for this pick?

[Bretsky]

GOTTA GO DILLARD OR TAYLOR

[jklowan]

what did we give up?

[Deputy Nutz]

I am guessing Dillard

[wthigoot]

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/rashan-gary?id=32194741-5276-6759-8729-700e2dfb98cd

Hadn't followed him in the runup to the draft. Seems to me to be somewhat like Nick Perry. If he is effective at run defense he might be able to get in on first down right away.

[red]

30 to 21 for 2 fourth round draft picks

Not sure I like this at all

any elite guys left ???

OT

[Teamcheez1]

30 to 21 for 2 fourth round draft picks

Not sure I like this at all

any elite guys left ???

What is the point in moving up?

[pbmax]

Dov Kleiman @NFL_DovKleiman

With the 21st overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft, the #Packers are selecting Safety Darnell Savage.

Traded with #Seahawks for 21st

[Rastak]

Who?

[red]

what did we give up?

sounds like #30 and 2-4ths

[Bretsky]

DARNELL SAVAGE..................THOUGHTS ???

Did we need to trade up for him ?

[wist43]

Well, I would never expect a GM to indicate they hate their pick - everybody says "he was on top of our board"

"Rick Spielman says the Vikings had been monitoring Garrett Bradbury for the last year. Called him a “perfect fit for what we were looking for” as it pertains to the outside zone scheme the team is going to run."

Well, your pick might not be sexy and exciting, but at least it's not downright depressing like ours :bang:

Seriously bummed here in Packerland :sad:

[Teamcheez1]

I'm beginning to lose faith in Gute and it is only year 2.

[Rastak]

what did we give up?


I think two fours.....

[Deputy Nutz]

Traded up for a safety. I am a big Savage fan but not sure why you need to trade up for him

[red]

hmmmm
safety savage

[jklowan]

WTF WE TRADED UP FOR A SAFETY who would be there in the 3rd, fuck this shit

[Harlan Huckleby]

Dov Kleiman @NFL_DovKleiman

With the 21st overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft, the #Packers are selecting Safety Darnell Savage.

Traded with #Seahawks for 21st

April fools! good one

[smuggler]

Had to get ahead of Philly for Savage? I heard they liked him there, but not sure if it's worth our 3 picks.

[RashanGary]

We got the safety I wanted. Perfect fit for our team

[Teamcheez1]

Again, why did we need to move up with the players left on the board? I just don't see it. Keep the 4th's and pick at #30. No need for hitting the panic button.

[pbmax]

GREEN BAY: S Darnell Savage Jr., 5'11", 198 lbs
Maryland

2 POS RK
28 OVR RK
88 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Darnell Savage Jr.
Darnell Savage Jr. is an undersized safety who excels at reading receivers and breaking on the ball out of the University of Maryland.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Savage is an undersized safety with below-average length and outstanding timed speed. He excels at reading receivers and breaking on the ball. He's a ball hawk who jumps routes and has good hands. He's an aggressive run-defender who closes well and always seems to be around the ball.

[Guiness]

Is that the safety the Pack needed?:idea:

[Bretsky]

Hmmmm.......Andre Dillard or Savage ...... BPA ?????????

[Harlan Huckleby]

This is the worst draft night ever

[Strange Brew]

Another IPA on it's way!

[pbmax]

Had to get ahead of Philly for Savage? I heard they liked him there, but not sure if it's worth our 2nd rounder.

Maybe but there are reports that Eagles just traded into 22nd with Ravens,

[Joemailman]

DARNELL SAVAGE..................THOUGHTS ???

Did we need to trade up for him ?

This is a great move. He has Nick Collins-type speed. He's been moving up lately.

[Bretsky]

I do like the pick of Savage.

[Deputy Nutz]

I would like to call this draft garbage, but simply you have to wait for it to play out. Not a single receiver picked yet. Odd considering it’s a deep class

[pbmax]

Think he is a candidate for the FS but I have seen none of him. Don't remember him versus badgers that I remember.

[red]

I'm beginning to lose faith in Gute and it is only year 2.

me too

maybe old insane TT wasn't that bad afterall

[Teamcheez1]

Gute has completely screwed up what should have been a stellar first round.

[Rastak]

Another IPA on it's way!


Mine is running low.....Summit EPA

[Bretsky]

WELL.......I WANTED A DOMINANT DEFENSE


Huge infusion of new talent

[Harlan Huckleby]

Packers need help everywhere, but I was set on an offensive player, especially OT or TE

[RashanGary]

We need a guy to play the deep middle. This guy can do that. Fast. Smart. Hits. Tackles. Similar style player to my fav safety, earl Thomas.

[bobblehead]

TT said towards the end " I have made the mistake of falling in love with athletes instead of football players at times". Gutes didn't hear him.

[red]

we traded 2 fourths to move up 9 spots

philly them traded a 4th and a 6 to move up 3 spots

we got hosed again

[smuggler]

I'm more comfortable with the Savage pick than the Gary pick. But we gave up a lot for him.

[pbmax]

Ravens may have wanted Savage and then traded down when he went.

[mraynrand]

He's already a bust... he'll be constantly banged up, flash occasional potential, and will be cut in 3-4 years.

Can't see any other outcome.

lol

Michigan linemen: You hope they can at least approach Lamarr Woodley, but they usually end up like Chris Hutchinson.

[Strange Brew]

Someone lock Pettine out of the war room.

[pbmax]

PHILLY: OT Andre Dillard

6'5", 315 lbs
Washington State

3 POS RK
19 OVR RK
90 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Andre Dillard
Andre Dillard is an offensive lineman who earned first-team All-Pac-12 accolades at Washington State.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Dillard has good size and unique athleticism, which is why he's capable of developing into a very good pass-blocker, despite having shorter arms. He gets set quickly, gets his hands inside and mirrors effortlessly. He's an effective zone and positional blocker with outstanding balance and the range to cut off linebackers at the second level in the running game.

[Bretsky]

Nice move by Phily

I iike Savage a lot , but hard to imagine him rated over Dillard

[smuggler]

we traded 2 fourths to move up 9 spots

philly them traded a 4th and a 6 to move up 3 spots

we got hosed again

These seem about on par, no?

[red]

WELL.......I WANTED A DOMINANT DEFENSE


Huge infusion of new talent

as the offense continues its slow death

[Zool]

Nice move by Phily

I iike Savage a lot , but hard to imagine him rated over Dillard

Unless they had S over OL for priority?

[smuggler]

Ravens may have wanted Savage and then traded down when he went.

Definitely see the Ed Reed in his game. Good trade for us if he remotely approaches that.

[Bretsky]

we traded 2 fourths to move up 9 spots

philly them traded a 4th and a 6 to move up 3 spots

we got hosed again



CAN WE HAVE A REDO

And trade our 4th to move from 12 o 10 and take Bush ? :))))

[wist43]

WELL.......I WANTED A DOMINANT DEFENSE


Huge infusion of new talent

I like savage a lot... wanted him or Thornhill... but nothing can make up for the Gary fiasco... he'll be out of the league in 3 years.

[Teamcheez1]

Is there anyone in the Packer universe that is saying "Wow, Gute sure nailed it with his 2 first round picks"?

[Bretsky]

Unless they had S over OL for priority?


So you are indicating we draft for need and ignore BPA ? Actually that makes sense today

[mraynrand]

Unless they had S over OL for priority?

yep. And probs figured they could get any of the second tier O-linemen with their #2 or #3.

[beveaux1]

we traded 2 fourths to move up 9 spots

philly them traded a 4th and a 6 to move up 3 spots

we got hosed again

No. I believe we actually got the better of this trade according to draft charts.
30 (196) + 114 (25) + 118 (23) = 242
21 = 261

[red]

These seem about on par, no?

maybe, just seems bad

[mraynrand]

So you are indicating we draft for need and ignore BPA ? Actually that makes sense today

move up a tier at need position.

But as Mike Sherman demonstrated, you cannot be wrong. Your pick must work out or you are hosed.

[pbmax]

I like savage a lot... wanted him or Thornhill... but nothing can make up for the Gary fiasco... he'll be out of the league in 3 years.

I am bookmarking this one.

[pbmax]

Is there anyone in the Packer universe that is saying "Wow, Gute sure nailed it with his 2 first round picks"?

It always works out better when we hate the draft here.

[wthigoot]

We need a guy to play the deep middle. This guy can do that. Fast. Smart. Hits. Tackles. Similar style player to my fav safety, earl Thomas.

Very similar to Josh Jackson but already trained at Safety. Good at pass breakups and got a few interceptions. Josh Jackson probably staying at CB then. They are getting ballhawks, maybe focusing on getting turnovers?

[Zool]

I am bookmarking this one.

It’s BJ and Clay all over again.

Get ready for 2020 SB

[smuggler]

Both picks today do not appear as needs, as far as I can tell. Safety definitely more of a priority than edge defense, but not an overt need.

[Teamcheez1]

I'm beginning think the Packers should just trade all of their 1st round picks for future 1st rounders, and stockpile them for when Rodgers retires.

We might have 6-10 first rounders by then.

[Bretsky]

I am bookmarking this one.



The draft day threads are for overreactions so years down the road they can be bumped and several can be mocked :)))

[pbmax]

Both picks today do not appear as needs, as far as I can tell. Safety definitely more of a priority than edge defense, but not an overt need.

Who is the second starting safety right now?

[MadtownPacker]

It’s BJ and Clay all over again.

Get ready for 2020 SB
Gold kool-aid drinking homer bullshit....

[wist43]

lol

Michigan linemen: You hope they can at least approach Lamarr Woodley, but they usually end up like Chris Hutchinson.

I look at the Gary pick this year exactly the way I looked at the Burks pick last year... I knew the guy couldn't play.

I expect both Burks and Gary will be out of the NFL sooner rather than later - terrible picks.

[Rastak]

The draft day threads are for overreactions so years down the road they can be bumped and several can be mocked :)))


Yea, I was questioning the Adrian Peterson pick because of his injury history.....lol

[Iron Mike]

hmmmm
safety savage

Oooooooooo, yeah!!!!
https://media.tenor.com/images/2e10a057ec623fb19217a7ee7e7c8fa3/tenor.gif

[woodbuck27]

I do like the pick of Savage.

That's a quality pick. I had him as the 4th Ranked Safety but he's been moving up the board fast along with Juan Thornhill who I Ranked NO. 1. I had Nasir Adderly 2nd and Chauncey Gardner Ranked 3rd at Safety.

Darnell Savage's awesome 40 time (4.36) and his verticle (40 inches ) are impressive and he can play...he can cover and tackle well.

This is a good prospect for the Center fielder we needed.

It looks like measurables are important to Gutey.

[Bretsky]

Both picks today do not appear as needs, as far as I can tell. Safety definitely more of a priority than edge defense, but not an overt need.


I think safely was all about need. I think we have zero confidence in anybody at safety but Amos. THey needed a safety to plug in

Gary is about upside and potential I think combined with Need.

I can't imagine how he was the top graded player on their board based on his college performance combined with abiity

[Zool]

Gold kool-aid drinking homer bullshit....

I remember people saying some shit or you about the Fresno Fraud a few years back....

[mraynrand]

Is there anyone in the Packer universe that is saying "Wow, Gute sure nailed it with his 2 first round picks"?

Too expensive to move up for Oliver or Allen. Simmons or Gary were both your risk Des so they picked one. DE was a top need and so was safety. At least on paper it looks like he nailed it - unless you don't like the players. But what else do you do? wait on Chauncy Gardner or Abrams?

[Bretsky]

Who is the second starting safety right now?

Savage for sure

[mraynrand]

I look at the Gary pick this year exactly the way I looked at the Burks pick last year... I knew the guy couldn't play.

I expect both Burks and Gary will be out of the NFL sooner rather than later - terrible picks.

Gary's game tape looks a whole lot better than Burks

[pbmax]

PLANET HOUSTON: OT, Tytus Howard

6'5", 322 lbs
Alabama State

6 POS RK
47 OVR RK
84 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Tytus Howard
Alabama State's Tytus Howard has a good blend of abilities and is tough to beat when his hand placement is sound in pass protection.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Howard has a good blend of size, length and athletic ability. He's tough to beat when his hand placement is sound in pass protection, and he held his own against Auburn early in the 2018 season. Howard flashes the ability to move defenders off the ball in the run game. He has the potential to develop into an effective zone blocker.

[Zool]

Savage for sure

Unless he shits the bed in camp, you’re probably right.

[pbmax]

LAS VEGAS: RB, Josh Jacobs

5'10", 220 lbs
Alabama

1 POS RK
23 OVR RK
89 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Josh Jacobs
Josh Jacobs is a running back from Alabama who is a tough pass blocker with above average burst through the hole and strength to pick up yards after contact.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Despite never emerging as a full-time starter at Alabama, Jacobs has the traits to develop into a difference-maker in the NFL. He's a complete back with good instincts, quick feet, above-average burst through the hole and the strength to pick up yards after contact. He's an above-average receiver and a tough pass-blocker.

[pbmax]

Savage for sure

Yeah but Smuggler was thinking it wasn't a strictly need pick. Who starts if not Savage?

[Bretsky]

Too expensive to move up for Oliver or Allen. Simmons or Gary were both your risk Des so they picked one. DE was a top need and so was safety. At least on paper it looks like he nailed it - unless you don't like the players. But what else do you do? wait on Chauncy Gardner or Abrams?

Trading up two picks may have worked well

With Gary, trade down and pick Gary later or draft an elite OL or edge like Burns over a high ability limited production guy

[Rastak]

You guys still have another 1st rounder, no?

[pbmax]

You guys still have another 1st rounder, no?

Nope. Traded it to Seattle for 21.

[Rastak]

Nope. Traded it to Seattle for 21.


Was that swap 1st and two 4ths? That makes more sense. I thought two 4's to move up was a little light.

[esoxx]

my draft day excitement is zapped; I have no idea who I even want at 30. All of the guys I waned went from 7-10. Seems like Goot took the guy nobody wanted.

Anybody find somebody who loves this pick ?

Well, McGinn's scout scources think Oliver is more likely to bust than Gary. So there's that.

"When 14 scouts were asked who had the best chance to bust at the position, Gary drew just the fourth most votes. Jerry Tillery led with four, followed by Christian Wilkins and Ed Oliver with three apiece, Gary with two, Trysten Hill with one and Zach Allen and Dre’Mont Jones, each one-half."

[Cheesehead Craig]

This is the worst draft night ever

Lol. Every year.

[mraynrand]

Well, McGinn's scout scources think Oliver is more likely to bust than Gary. So there's that.

'Scoops' is a Michigan apologist

[pbmax]

BALTIMORE: WR, Marquise Brown

5'9", 166 lbs
Oklahoma

1 POS RK
11 OVR RK
90 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Marquise Brown
Marquise Brown explodes off the line and is one of the fastest WR prospects.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Brown explodes off the line and is one of the fastest wide receiver prospects we've ever evaluated in terms of game speed. He has the burst to separate, plucks the ball on the run and is a big-play threat after the catch. He lacks ideal size for a vertical threat, yet has the speed to get over the top of cornerbacks and does a solid job tracking the deep ball.

[pbmax]

Was that swap 1st and two 4ths? That makes more sense. I thought two 4's to move up was a little light.

I think it was. I have not looked it up though.

[RashanGary]

I’m a huge fan of the Savage pick. He looks like a star to me. And he’s a perfect fit next to the hyper responsible and reliable Adrian Amos. Savage can cover the deep middle, allowing Amos to stir shit up in the middle, similar to the way. Collins opened it up for Woodson or Thomas opened it up for Chancelor.

Alexander, Savage and King make for ridiculous secondary speed too.

On another note, Gary is gonna come in and see the two Smiths and for the first time he’s gonna be a regular sized fish in the pond. They’re all similar players so he’s going to get to learn from two guys who have mastered their craft.

There is one more spot where I see perfect players for our Packers team. Drue Tranquill and Cody Barton are perfect fits next to Martinez. Martinez is a great run player and a good pass player. Either of those two players above are great pass players and solid run players. Either guy would be a perfect fit for our defense. If we land one of those guys, our defense has a chance to be elite right now.

[red]

2 offensive players taken in the first round over the last 14 years

[RashanGary]

One thing I see in Gutey that TT didn’t do is Gutey tried to put pieces that fit together. TT just got good pieces and expected the coaches to find a way to blend the mis matching pieces together. Going after Savage shows a clear effort at putting the right piece in the right place.0

[pbmax]

2 offensive players taken in the first round over the last 14 years

Its been kinda ridiculous. But Nelson almost should count.

[3irty1]

All defensive picks look like shit against the wall for a Packers fan.

If the Ravens make these picks I'd assume they found a JJ Watt and an Earl Thomas.

[pbmax]

One thing I see in Gutey that TT didn’t do is Gutey tried to put pieces that fit together. TT just got good pieces and expected the coaches to find a way to blend the mis matching pieces together. Going after Savage shows a clear effort at putting the right piece in the right place.0

I think Gary fits in that slot more than Savage. If you want a speedy deep safety, almost anyone would see it in Savage. With Gary, you have to project a bit.

[RashanGary]

I read the scouts on Gary. He’s gonna be decent and has potential to be the best. He’s not a bad pick. He just might not be a great one.

[Zool]

2 offensive players taken in the first round over the last 14 years

3? Sherrie, Bulaga, Rodgers

[HarveyWallbangers]

Haven't kept up to date on this thread. Really like Savage. According to the Jimmy Johnson chart, we got good value in the trade. Kept our two day 2 picks. No excuse not to have a good defense this year.

[call_me_ishmael]

TT said towards the end " I have made the mistake of falling in love with athletes instead of football players at times". Gutes didn't hear him.

Counterpoint: Towards the end of TT's tenure, it was abundantly clear they just didn't have the speedy horses to roll with the Falcons and other teams. I remember just thinking how slow and clunky they looked against the Falcons in the NFCC and how I knew they had no chance about 5 minutes into the game when seeing the speed difference.

[esoxx]

'Scoops' is a Michigan apologist

This was even more eye popping from Scoops. His sources liked Gary much more than Oliver. Interesting.

"Twelve of the 14 execs selected Williams as the best defensive lineman; Simmons claimed the other two firsts. Each scout was asked to rank his top seven players, with a first-place vote worth seven points, a second-place vote worth six and so on.

Williams led with 96 points. Following, in order, were Simmons (67), Gary (64), Oliver (49), Dexter Lawrence (37), Wilkins (35), Tillery (16), Jones (15), Allen (six), Hill (four) and Khalen Saunders (three)."

[Deputy Nutz]

I had Savage as my second ranked safety but it was also a deep tier 1 at safety.

[pbmax]

Counterpoint: Towards the end of TT's tenure, it was abundantly clear they just didn't have the speedy horses to roll with the Falcons and other teams. I remember just thinking how slow and clunky they looked against the Falcons in the NFCC and how I knew they had no chance about 5 minutes into the game when seeing the speed difference.

When you have lost half of the secondary, that will happen.

[RashanGary]

Pettine has to be so excited. Adrian Amos, z Smith, p smith, Gary and Savage. All in one offseason. And he’s gonna get a ton of second year improvement from the guys coming back. AR needs to calm the fuck down and let the defense win for him. This is becoming a different team.

[Joemailman]

2 offensive players taken in the first round over the last 14 years

Some people found the Harrell pick very offensive.

[pbmax]

WASHINGTON: DE, Montez Sweat

6'6", 260 lbs
Mississippi State

4 POS RK
22 OVR RK
89 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Montez Sweat
Montez Sweat is a flexible athlete out of Mississippi State with the ability to bend and frequently get offensive tackles off balance.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Sweat is a flexible athlete with the ability to bend, and he frequently gets offensive tackles off balance with elite speed off the edge. He displays very good change-of-direction skills on outside-in pass-rush moves. He has excellent length and good upper-body strength. He's a disruptive and rangy run-defender.

[red]

Its been kinda ridiculous. But Nelson almost should count.

you add jordy and i'll add king

[call_me_ishmael]

Man, I would have loved to spend 44 and 76 to get Montez Sweat. I just 100% believe he is going to be a good player.

[red]

Some people found the Harrell pick very offensive.

i was heading home from my grandmothers funeral, listening to the draft on the radio when they announced that pick

that was the most upset i got that day

[pbmax]

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Washington is trading up to Indianapolis’ spot at No. 26.

There are no two franchises headed in different directions due to leadership than Wash (Allen) and Indy (Ballard).

[RashanGary]

Gutey put his stamp on this team the last two years. Very different Packer team, a lot of change in two years. Let’s see what Gutes guys do. I’m so excited for Savage. I had him pegged as my fav safety. He’s my fav over the last couple years. I love true free safeties because when you have one, and they only come once every few years, but when you have one, you can cover the deep middle with just one guy. That changes the game.

[pbmax]

you add jordy and i'll add king

Well then why don't we just add up the first and second round picks?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Is there anyone in the Packer universe that is saying "Wow, Gute sure nailed it with his 2 first round picks"?

I'm not heartbroken. I think the picks make sense. Gary went in the range he was projected. He makes a lot of sense in a Pettine defense. I really like Savage.

[pbmax]

Gutey put his stamp on this team the last two years. Very different Packer team, a lot of change in two years. Let’s see what Gutes guys do. I’m so excited for Savage. I had him pegged as my fav safety. He’s my fav over the last couple years. I love true free safeties because when you have one, and they only come once every few years, but when you have one, you can cover the deep middle with just one guy. That changes the game.

This seems a very Ted draft. Athletic lineman and fast safety.

[woodbuck27]

Gary's game tape looks a whole lot better than Burks

The Prospect that Gutey might have selected Montez Sweat just went to Washington at pick NO. 26. That will be a watch for me.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I got think there's value at WR on day 2. Take an athlete at TE and load up on big uglies.

[pbmax]

LAKE TAHOE: S, Johnathan Abram

5'11", 205 lbs
Mississippi State

1 POS RK
20 OVR RK
90 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Johnathan Abram
Johnathan Abram is a safety from Mississippi State that led the Bulldogs in tackles during his senior season.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Abram is an intimidating, hard-hitting safety with good size and speed. He takes sound angles filling in run support, has explosive closing burst and is a good tackler. He's capable of matching up with some detached tight ends and bigger receivers in the NFL.

[pbmax]

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
Here's a look at the #Packers-#Seahawks trade based on three trade-value charts:

Jimmy Johnson — GB gives up 744 points, SEA gives up 800 points
Chase Stuart — GB gives up 21.5 points, SEA gives up 15.2 points
Rich Hill — GB gives up 246.86 points, SEA gives up 260.82

[Strange Brew]

Just spent the last 45 minutes surfing and doing research on Rashan Gary trying to convince myself this was a good pick for the Packers, but unfortunately came away even more depressed. Bad pick by a bad GM. Should've stuck with Wolf.

[RashanGary]

For the first time since we lost Collins, we can play single high safety with confidenc. Alexander and king can run down the sidelines and Savage can cover side to side from the middle. That opens up another player to blitz or do whatever.

Tramon is gonna make a hell of a slot player too. I’m so excited!

[woodbuck27]

Gutey put his stamp on this team the last two years. Very different Packer team, a lot of change in two years. Let’s see what Gutes guys do. I’m so excited for Savage. I had him pegged as my fav safety. He’s my fav over the last couple years. I love true free safeties because when you have one, and they only come once every few years, but when you have one, you can cover the deep middle with just one guy. That changes the game.

Gutey is certainly trying. He needs to address the OL next. Hope his WR's will pick it up this off Season.

[pbmax]

LOS ANGELES SOCCER STADIUM: DT Jerry Tillery

6'7", 295 lbs
Notre Dame

6 POS RK
32 OVR RK
88 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Jerry Tillery
Jerry Tillery is a defensive lineman out of Notre Dame who garnered second-team All-American status from the Associated Press.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Tillery's production frequently fails to match his skill set, and his inconsistency is frustrating, but there's a lot to like about his upside. He's a well-built defensive tackle with excellent length and top-end speed. His vertical jump (32 inches) and short shuttle (4.33) results were outstanding, and those tests tend to correlate with defensive tackles succeeding in the NFL. He flashes as a pass-rusher and stacks blockers in the running game.

[Bretsky]

2 offensive players taken in the first round over the last 14 years


This is funny if you think about it. An elite QB covers up holes.

We should be crazy good on D if our picks were even close to right

[HarveyWallbangers]

Nick Collins = 5'11" 206, 4.42 40, 40" vert, 113" broad, 4.16 shuttle, 6.94 3 cone, 11 bench
Darnell Savage = 5'11" 198, 4.36 40, 39.5" vert, 126" broad, 4.14 shuttle, 7.03 3 cone, 11 bench

Both turnover machines in college too.
8 picks and 3 TDs for Savage last year.

[Fritz]

Just spent the last 45 minutes surfing and doing research on Rashan Gary trying to convince myself this was a good pick for the Packers, but unfortunately came away even more depressed. Bad pick by a bad GM. Should've stuck with Wolf.

Dude, lots of highlights - against teams like Central Michigan and Rutgers.

I am so depressed. What a lousy, crummy pick.

Then I find out Gutekynst traded away 2 4th rounders for a safety I didn't even think was the top safety in the draft.

I hate Gutekunst right now.

[RashanGary]

If we get one more good year out of Bulaga and Taylor and then Jimmy Graham gets healthy, who the fuck knows. The offense might be a little better too.

[Bretsky]

I read the scouts on Gary. He’s gonna be decent and has potential to be the best. He’s not a bad pick. He just might not be a great one.


Seems like a good risk pick at 20 but not a 12

Exoxxx got it right; allowing AROD to play got us one too many wins

If Marcia does his job and puts AROD in his place and shelves him we are deciding between your guy, my guy, and Oliver

[Bretsky]

Well then why don't we just add up the first and second round picks?


It's silly to add either

[call_me_ishmael]

Nick Collins = 5'11" 206, 4.42 40, 40" vert, 113" broad, 4.16 shuttle, 6.94 3 cone, 11 bench
Darnell Savage = 5'11" 198, 4.36 40, 39.5" vert, 126" broad, 4.14 shuttle, 7.03 3 cone, 11 bench

Both turnover machines in college too.
8 picks and 3 TDs for Savage last year.

It's a natural comparison, I 100% agree. I do think your picks and TD numbers for Savage are incorrect (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/darnell-savage-jr-1.html).

[Bretsky]

I like Russell Wilson

Dear Seattle

Bring Russell Tank's Fave Metcalf !!!!!!!

[call_me_ishmael]

Seems like a good risk pick at 20 but not a 12

Exoxxx got it right; allowing AROD to play got us one too many wins

If Marcia does his job and puts AROD in his place and shelves him we are deciding between your guy, my guy, and Oliver

Who's Marcia? But yes, I 100% agree. Playing ARod and winning that game was tremendously stupid. Cost us 42 options at additional players. Dumb.

[Bretsky]

If we get one more good year out of Bulaga and Taylor and then Jimmy Graham gets healthy, who the fuck knows. The offense might be a little better too.

We have to expect Graham to be healthier and at least average

I think a healthy AROD will make the offense fine

[Bretsky]

Who's Marcia? But yes, I 100% agree. Playing ARod and winning that game was tremendously stupid. Cost us 42 options at additional players. Dumb.


I think Mark Murphy is a puss. I've been calling him Marcia for a long time now

[Bretsky]

Dude, lots of highlights - against teams like Central Michigan and Rutgers.

I am so depressed. What a lousy, crummy pick.

Then I find out Gutekynst traded away 2 4th rounders for a safety I didn't even think was the top safety in the draft.

I hate Gutekunst right now.



I'm high on Savage

Gary was a big need pick over a lot of BPA's. Don't like that one at all.

[wthigoot]

Dude, lots of highlights - against teams like Central Michigan and Rutgers.

I am so depressed. What a lousy, crummy pick.

Then I find out Gutekynst traded away 2 4th rounders for a safety I didn't even think was the top safety in the draft.

I hate Gutekunst right now.

Seems to me that Gary will not look worth the #12 after the first year. This is a challenge for the coaches. He has to really make the jump in the second year. I am thinking he will be OK on run downs and contribute that way year 1.

[woodbuck27]

Nick Collins = 5'11" 206, 4.42 40, 40" vert, 113" broad, 4.16 shuttle, 6.94 3 cone, 11 bench
Darnell Savage = 5'11" 198, 4.36 40, 39.5" vert, 126" broad, 4.14 shuttle, 7.03 3 cone, 11 bench

Both turnover machines in college too.
8 picks and 3 TDs for Savage last year.

That's all good.

[pbmax]

Who broke the draft?

[Bretsky]

F'CK THE DRAFT..............draft all Badgers from here on in so I can win the contest ?

We have about 4 OL that would help the Packers.

[call_me_ishmael]

Comparison:

6'4.25" - 272 lbs - 35.25" arms - 10.25" hands - 4.64 40 - 41" vert - 10'8" broad - 33 reps

6'4" - 277 lbs - 34.125" arms - 9.675" hands - 4.58 40 - 38" vert - 10" broad - 26 reps - 7.26 3 cone - 4.29 short shuttle

6'5.25" - 266 lbs - 34.5" arms - 10" hands - 4.53 40 - 37.5" vert - 10'4" broad - 21 reps - 7.27 3 cone - 4.43 short shuttle

6'4.5" - 252 lbs - 33.125' arms - 11" hands - 4.69 40 - 37 vert - 10'8" broad - 21 reps - 6.79 3 cone - 4.13 short shuttle

Guess the dudes :) I dunno why I do this - I realize it's impossible. I'll give the names after people stew on it a bit.

[pbmax]

SEATTLE: DE, L.J. Collier

6'2", 283 lbs
TCU

5 POS RK
38 OVR RK
86 GRADE

NFL draft profile: L.J. Collier
L.J. Collier is a defensive end prospect from TCU who recorded five sacks in his senior season.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Collier is a prototypical 4-3 LDE with excellent length and power. He improved his ability to locate the ball and get off blocks in 2018. He turned heads with his ability to overwhelm tackles and interior offensive linemen as a pass-rusher during Senior Bowl week. He chases with good effort and plays faster than timed speed.

[call_me_ishmael]

I'm high on Savage

Gary was a big need pick over a lot of BPA's. Don't like that one at all.

Disagree. Rashan Gary may noyt have showed up much of tape but how much of that was scheme? I am honestly asking since I don't have time to watch much football. At the very least, you cannot argue with how tremendous and special of an edge player he is. I would have preferred Ed Oliver because his agility and suddeness is something I've never seen before, but Gary is a solid consolation prize. Before this season, most people thought he'd be a top 2-3 pick up there with Bosa.

[pbmax]

NYG: CB, Deandre Baker from Seattle

5'11", 193 lbs
Georgia

4 POS RK
36 OVR RK
87 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Deandre Baker
Deandre Baker is a cornerback out of Georgia that won the Jim Thorpe Award as the nation's best defensive back in 2018.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Baker is a naturally instinctive corner who does a good job reading receivers and has an excellent feel for route combinations. He has quick feet, fluid hips and good body control. He has above-average length and ball skills. He's tough and wraps up in run support.

[Rastak]

Good night guys.

[Bretsky]

Disagree. Rashan Gary may noyt have showed up much of tape but how much of that was scheme? At the very least, you cannot argue with how tremendous and special of an edge player he is. Before this season, most people thought he'd be a top 2-3 pick up their was Nicolas Bosa.


Gary was an underachiever; there were times his coaches had him on the sideline. And he had good coaches.

He has looks like Tarzan plays like Jane talent. Hopefuly our coaches can get him playing remotely near his abiliy

[pbmax]

ATLANTA: OT, Kaleb McGary from LARams

6'7", 317 lbs
Washington

8 POS RK
73 OVR RK
76 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Kaleb McGary
Kaleb McGary is a tall, well-built right tackle prospect out of Washington who is a very good run-blocker and moves defenders off the ball when he keeps his pads down.

Pre-Draft Analysis
McGary is a tall, well-built right tackle prospect with short arms, especially for his height. He is a very good run-blocker who gets into position and moves defenders off the ball when he keeps his pads down. He has a quick set and a lot of shock in his hands, but he lunges at times, and his arm length is a concern.

[pbmax]

Good night guys.

see you tomorrow :lol:

[pbmax]

Gary was an underachiever; there were times his coaches had him on the sideline. And he had good coaches.

He has looks like Tarzan plays like Jane talent. Hopefuly our coaches can get him playing remotely near his abiliy

Source?

[wthigoot]

Who broke the draft?

Am really surprised by a lot of the picks. I think the teams are focusing on the players that fit for them and the mock drafters are having a lot more trouble predicting the draft order; that is, teams' boards are really diverging. Not sure why, or why now.

[HarveyWallbangers]

According to that analytics site, Gary was far more productive than his sack numbers. Had 87 QB pressures in college and was the 7th highest rated edge vs the run. And he's young. I think Savage and Gary are both 21.

Similar to Z Smith and P Smith, the pressures should have led to more sacks. These guys are the anti-Fackrells.

[pbmax]

FOXBORO: WR, N'Keal Harry

6'2", 228 lbs
Arizona State

2 POS RK
33 OVR RK
87 GRADE

NFL draft profile: N'Keal Harry
N'Keal Harry is a wide receiver who was first-team All-Pac-12 in both his sophomore and junior seasons at Arizona State.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Harry is a big target with good body control, and he consistently rewards his quarterback for throwing him 50-50 balls. He doesn't have an elite second gear, but his size-speed combination and ball skills make him a threat in the vertical passing game. He flashes the ability to make the first defender miss and is an above-average threat after the catch for a player his size.

[pbmax]

According to that analytics site, Gary was far more productive than his sack numbers. Had 87 QB pressures in college and was the 7th highest rated edge vs the run. And he's young. I think Savage and Gary are both 21.

Similar to Z Smith and P Smith, the pressures should have led to more sacks. These guys are the anti-Fackrells.

PFF?

[Bretsky]

Source?


Rewatch the ESPN draft and listen to them

[call_me_ishmael]

Alright, let's do this damn thing before it falls to the way side:

Myles Garrett - 6'4.25" - 272 lbs - 35.25" arms - 10.25" hands - 4.64 40 - 41" vert - 10'8" broad - 33 reps

Rashan Gary - 6'4" - 277 lbs - 34.125" arms - 9.675" hands - 4.58 40 - 38" vert - 10" broad - 26 reps - 7.26 3 cone - 4.29 short shuttle

Jadeveon Clowney - 6'5.25" - 266 lbs - 34.5" arms - 10" hands - 4.53 40 - 37.5" vert - 10'4" broad - 21 reps - 7.27 3 cone - 4.43 short shuttle

TJ Watt - 6'4.5" - 252 lbs - 33.125' arms - 11" hands - 4.69 40 - 37 vert - 10'8" broad - 21 reps - 6.79 3 cone - 4.13 short shuttle

Prior to this year, Gary was ranked a very small notch below Myles Garrett and Jadeveon Clowney as far as freaky deaky prospects. I think he's going to be a very good run defender since he's thick, and I imagine he'll be a solid outside rusher too. He won't be a starter so a lot of pressure will be off him to refine. He couldn't have landed in a better spot, and I am glad we went edge. I truly believe that Gooter went BPA, which is fantastic in my eyes.

[HarveyWallbangers]

PFF?

Yes. Somebody posted a graphic on Gary on the Footballs Future site from PFF.

[Bretsky]

how would the production compare between those four ? And if it helps you could even use each players best year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Fackrell has 10 sacks on like 20 pressures last year. Gary had 13 sacks on 87 pressures in college. Hopefully, Gary's stats even out. ��

[yetisnowman]

I want to like the Gary pick, but I just can't talk myself into it. Consistency issues, injury issues, underwhelming production in relation to athletic ability. I'd argue he has one of the highest chances to bust in the entire first round. Not great value at 12.
Savage has the tools to be a beast and I'm happy we kept both day 2 picks and still moved up to get him. Gimme Cody Ford and Samuel/A.J. Brown/Hardiman/Ridley tomorrow and I'm still pretty happy with the haul.

[call_me_ishmael]

how would the production compare between those four ? And if it helps you could even use each players best year.

People thought Jadeveon Clowney had effort issues his last year on campus too. He only had 3 sacks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadeveon_Clowney

I think Clowney is a better comparison than Watt, though admittedly I haven't looked up Watt's numbers. I think people sort of judge Gary because he is a bit of a tweener and looks pudgy in the face. I am optimistic he is going to be a great player for us based on nothing than my own optimism.

[call_me_ishmael]

https://twitter.com/ByRyanWood/status/1121628113610297349



Gutekunst pretty forceful pushing against scouts who think Rashan Gary doesn't have a high motor: "I think that's people who probably haven't done their homework. If you watch the tape, this guy played with his hair on fire."

Gutey said he was "locked in on" Rashan Gary since February. Says no concerns over lack of production: "He affected the passer. He affected the game. And at times, he wrecked it. Certainly, he's a premier athlete, and he has an exceptional motor on the field."

Gutekunst acknowledges he has an offensive coach, but says defensive focus tonight was staying true to best player available: "This is one of the better defensive drafts in a long, long time. So we knew the numbers were a little bit better on the defensive side."

In Gooter we trust. Scouts are saying he's smart, cares a lot about football, and is obviously freaky athletic. That checks all of the boxes but production. If he had the production to match, we would have went #1.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Daniel Jeremiah's overview of Gary: "Gary is more athlete than football player at this time, but the upside is off the charts, and his effort is phenomenal.

[RashanGary]

Fackrell has 10 sacks on like 20 pressures last year. Gary had 13 sacks on 87 pressures in college. Hopefully, Gary's stats even out. ��

Thanks man. I’m getting more excited. McGinns guys liked him too.

[RashanGary]

I’m getting fired the fuck up about Gary. His run defense and pressures are exciting!!!!

[gbgary]

so...we've got the free safety we badly needed (who is a ball-hawk with great closing speed), and another edge/d-lineman. no complaints. we've got picks 44 and 75 to use on the O.

[Joemailman]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001028011/article/2019-nfl-draft-daniel-jeremiahs-pickbypick-analysis-for-round-1


12. Rashan Gary, LB, Green Bay Packers

Things that jump out at you are he's a freak athlete. It's a question of talent versus production. He can get off early, he just needs to finish in the pass rush. He can dominate tight ends in the running game, he can covert speed to power. There just wasn't a ton of sack production, but there were a lot of traits. They went at the pass rush in free agency and just doubled down in the draft.


21. Darnell Savage, DB, Green Bay Packers

He's explosive, you can play him all over the field. He is always around the field. The buzz really started about him over the last week. You love the toughness he brings to the table. He can play the nickel, he's that athletic, that 4.3 40 translates.

[Smidgeon]

I wanted one of the two Iowa TEs. Welp, no TE help for Rodgers.

I'm underwhelmed so far, but I also don't know anything about scouting. So I hope I move up to whelmed, then overwhelmed as they progress.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I’m getting fired the fuck up about Gary. His run defense and pressures are exciting!!!!

You said the exact same shit when Justin Harrell was drafted.

[Packers4Glory]

Criminal. Year after year drafting defense. This year we spent FA coin on defense. Meanwhile Rodgers has 1 great WR and a bunch of 3-5 types and a good injury prone RB.

Could we not have helped him via FA or one of these picks??!

Here Aaron. Take busted Graham and a gaggle of late round WR who can’t separate! Good luck. Oh nevermind your RT is always hurt

[Packers4Glory]

You said the exact same shit when Justin Harrell was drafted.

Maybe he IS Justin Harrell

[Harlan Huckleby]

Criminal. Year after year drafting defense. This year we spent FA coin on defense. Meanwhile Rodgers has 1 great WR and a bunch of 3-5 types and a good injury prone RB.

Could we not have helped him via FA or one of these picks??!

Here Aaron. Take busted Graham and a gaggle of late round WR who can’t separate! Good luck. Oh nevermind your RT is always hurt

excellent rant

[bobblehead]

Alright, let's do this damn thing before it falls to the way side:

Myles Garrett - 6'4.25" - 272 lbs - 35.25" arms - 10.25" hands - 4.64 40 - 41" vert - 10'8" broad - 33 reps

Rashan Gary - 6'4" - 277 lbs - 34.125" arms - 9.675" hands - 4.58 40 - 38" vert - 10" broad - 26 reps - 7.26 3 cone - 4.29 short shuttle

Jadeveon Clowney - 6'5.25" - 266 lbs - 34.5" arms - 10" hands - 4.53 40 - 37.5" vert - 10'4" broad - 21 reps - 7.27 3 cone - 4.43 short shuttle

TJ Watt - 6'4.5" - 252 lbs - 33.125' arms - 11" hands - 4.69 40 - 37 vert - 10'8" broad - 21 reps - 6.79 3 cone - 4.13 short shuttle

Prior to this year, Gary was ranked a very small notch below Myles Garrett and Jadeveon Clowney as far as freaky deaky prospects. I think he's going to be a very good run defender since he's thick, and I imagine he'll be a solid outside rusher too. He won't be a starter so a lot of pressure will be off him to refine. He couldn't have landed in a better spot, and I am glad we went edge. I truly believe that Gooter went BPA, which is fantastic in my eyes.

If we are doing this:

Montez Sweat: 6'6" 260 lbs - 35 3/4 arms - 10 1/2 hands - 4.41 40 - 36" vert - 10"5" broad - 21 reps - 7.0 3 cone - 4.29 SS

[Upnorth]

My opinion, I never would have looked at gary @12, and am worried he is going to be another Harrell.
Savage has potential, but his size is a bit of a concern to me. The fact that some of you are comparing him to Thomas and Collins gives me great hope and also wonder how much you guys had to drink while watching the draft.

[mraynrand]

and also wonder how much you guys had to drink while watching the draft.

I think Red drank far less than the typical Sunday.

[red]

I think Red drank far less than the typical Sunday.

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[mraynrand]

negative

lol

Maybe your tolerance is peaking...

[Packers4Glory]

Savage has the speed to be a fantastic 1 high safety if he can stay on assignment and not get sucked up on play action as has been the case for several seasons in GB with our safety play.

[Upnorth]

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Offseason training is key to in season performance

[HarveyWallbangers]

Chad Reuter at NFL.com

Green Bay Packers
Draft pick: Michigan OLB Rashan Gary (No. 12 overall); Maryland S Darnell Savage (No. 21 overall)
Day 1 grade: A
Draft analysis: Gary's production wasn't what you would have liked at Michigan and his off-field business interest turned off some teams. However, he has great athletic upside as a defender in the Packers' scheme. Announced as a linebacker at the draft on Thursday, Gary can play outside or inside and gives consistent full effort. Green Bay had an extra first-round pick from a 2018 draft-day trade with New Orleans (No. 30 overall). The Packers traded up, though, and selected Savage, who fills an immediate need at safety. He will be an effective nickel defender and will pop ball-carriers whenever possible. Trading away two fourth-round selections (one of which was gained from Washington for Ha Ha Clinton-Dix) was fine given their multiple early picks this year.

[Fritz]

I’m getting fired the fuck up about Gary. His run defense and pressures are exciting!!!!

I couldn't disagree more. Maybe if the Packers were awarded wins for having the most gifted athletes they could contend for a title, but Gary is all show, no go. He hasn't produced, period. He disappeared in big games. And don't give me that crap about him being double and triple-teamed, so he freed up other guys to make plays. The Packers already have two undrafted former free agents who can do that. And don't give me that crap about run defense, either. Nobody drafts a defensive guy at #12 because he's a good run stopper.

Mike Neal was always "close" to getting a sack. Ditto for Dante Jones.

This pick makes me sick to my stomach. What a total waste. And while I don't know much about Savage, I have to agree with Nutz - why did Gutekunst feel like he needed to give up two precious fourth rounders for a guy that seemed pretty likely to go at the end of the round, if not the beginning of the second? Did Gute panic because the Steelers snatched an actual playmaker, Devin Bush, ahead of Green Bay?

This is my analysis of what Gutekunst did yesterday in that first round:

https://i.imgur.com/HhxI9vj.jpg

[pbmax]

Fackrell has 10 sacks on like 20 pressures last year. Gary had 13 sacks on 87 pressures in college. Hopefully, Gary's stats even out. ��

It depends on what is happening elsewhere. Coverage and your fellow pass rushers. Could also be a problem disengaging with your blocker. Fackrell was so out of control at times he didn't need to disengage, he lost the tackle.

Gary had better players (for college) around him pass rushing.

I don't think sacks are the best measure of a team disrupting an opponent's passer. But I am not sure how it balances with pressures.

[pbmax]

https://twitter.com/ByRyanWood/status/1121628113610297349



In Gooter we trust. Scouts are saying he's smart, cares a lot about football, and is obviously freaky athletic. That checks all of the boxes but production. If he had the production to match, we would have went #1.

Gutes is really selling it. He seems to have known this pick would get some negative coverage.

[pbmax]

Jeez Fritz!

Eagles were rumored to like Savage.

But now I want to know what Gary's offseason business interest is. Please tell me its not massage parlors.

Though maybe you could trap coaches/owners/GMs and blackmail some info out of them.

[Fritz]

PB, I see you trying to rationalize this pick. And I appreciate your trying to buck us (and maybe yourself) up.

But the fact that you - and Guter - have to rationalize this pick is not a good sign.

[pbmax]

PB, I see you trying to rationalize this pick. And I appreciate your trying to buck us (and maybe yourself) up.

But the fact that you - and Guter - have to rationalize this pick is not a good sign.

Yeah, I know. And I am trying to help both myself and the board.

But I also know that I have been wrong countless times about players drafted (Clay Banks, Webster Slaughter, Willis Adams, Mike Wahle, Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews, Sherrod and trust me there are more) that I know despite collapsing the wave here and having the first round picked, its a 50/50 shot for each of these guys.

And I decided long ago that being pessimistic about my teams chances was no fun. Not that I don't ever get mad or rant, but I try to err on the side of optimism, especially if its not a game being played right in front of my eyes.

[call_me_ishmael]

If we are doing this:

Montez Sweat: 6'6" 260 lbs - 35 3/4 arms - 10 1/2 hands - 4.41 40 - 36" vert - 10"5" broad - 21 reps - 7.0 3 cone - 4.29 SS

I was screaming from the roof top for them to trade up and grab sweat at the bottom of round 1. You can never have too many Edge dudes and Sweat falling that far is rare.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't get why you think we need to rationalize the pick. Gary went about where he was projected (not a reach) and he fits the scheme.

[Fritz]

I don't get why you think we need to rationalize the pick. Gary went about where he was projected (not a reach) and he fits the scheme.

For me, Harv, it's because the guy is undoubtedly a great athlete but I don't think he's a great football player.

[pbmax]

For me, Harv, it's because the guy is undoubtedly a great athlete but I don't think he's a great football player.

Forget the projection to the Pros, was he at all similar to MSU one trick pony Worthy?