OFFICIAL FIRST ROUND DRAFT DAY THREAD

[Bretsky]

Let’s rock

[Bretsky]

Rumors everywhere jets want out of pick three

[Bretsky]

We need lots of qbs taken. Nearly everybody is predicting bush hockenson or Jonah Williams to gb

[RashanGary]

This is an exciting draft! I’m hoping we get Jeffrey Simmons somewhere in the late middle of round 1. And I want Hockenson.

[pittstang5]

Start the damn clock already!!!

[RashanGary]

Less than 10 minutes!

[Bretsky]

Yikes...wtmj reporting rapporport speculating Green Bay is a dark horse to move up from pick 30.....for a qb

[Joemailman]

We need lots of qbs taken. Nearly everybody is predicting bush hockenson or Jonah Williams to gb

Anybody trading up to #3 probably looking for a QB.

[Bretsky]

This is an exciting draft! I’m hoping we get Jeffrey Simmons somewhere in the late middle of round 1. And I want Hockenson.

You want hockenson at 12??

[Bretsky]

If one of the big 4 qbs are there at 12 and out guy is gone....auction time for the pick

[Bretsky]

Jags Detroit and lions all need a te too

[Rastak]

Obligatory post....hey guys. Not sure I'll be very active but let the fun begin.

[Bretsky]

Dammit. I am in a high school parking lot waiting for my late kid and I wanna watch this bad boy

[Bretsky]

Rasta...I thought you set this one weekend aside to run this thing and post info on each pick

[red]

any team needing a QB now would be stupid not to throw the cards a second for rosen

rosen is a better prospect then the rest of the qbs in this draft imo

[Joemailman]

49ers are on the clock. Bosa?

[Joemailman]

Bosa it is. Jets on the clock. Trade?

[Joemailman]

Bosa, Nick, EDGE, Ohio St.


Draft Scouting Report:

Well-built, bendy, explosive, hand-work master who can win a variety of ways when flying around the corner. Sets a strong edge and can disengage from blockers to make plays against the run near the line of scrimmage. Core muscle injury is slightly concerning, but otherwise, he's a polished, instant impact rookie. -- CT

[RashanGary]

You want hockenson at 12??

Yes! Would change our offense. He’s rare cuz he changes the run game and pass game.

[RashanGary]

TEs who can catch, run and block like hell are rare. Hock does it all. Opens up everything

[RashanGary]

No surprises so far. But Oakland could change that

[RashanGary]

I love Iowa players too. Some schools have performance enhancer problems. Seems like Iowa players come to the NFL and get stronger and more athletic. They seem to have an all natural program where guys aren’t even maxed out.

I like their edge player, Nelson, too

[red]

TEs who can catch, run and block like hell are rare. Hock does it all. Opens up everything

they are just rare for us because our QB has no use for them

[Joemailman]

Josh Allen to replace Khalil Mack?

[Rastak]

Rasta...I thought you set this one weekend aside to run this thing and post info on each pick


I used to - I must be getting really old. I don't setup a table and a laptop in front of the big screen. In fact, wasn't really fired up at all for this draft but I have it on.

[RashanGary]

they are just rare for us because our QB has no use for them

Lafleur about to change the culture to more run and play action

[RashanGary]

Josh Allen to replace Khalil Mack?


That would be a good pick

[RashanGary]

I hope Oakland does some crazy shit

[SMBASS]

I love Iowa players too. Some schools have performance enhancer problems. Seems like Iowa players come to the NFL and get stronger and more athletic. They seem to have an all natural program where guys aren’t even maxed out.

I like their edge player, Nelson, too

Iowa isn't one of the Blue Blood football programs but because they run pro type schemes on both sides of the ball a lot of their players come out pro ready. Ferentz runs a clean program and Iowa puts quite a few players in the NFL.

[RashanGary]

I could see us moving up for Simmons later. He has anchor and pass rush. A beast

[RashanGary]

Nutz guy. Nutz knows his shit

[pittstang5]

That's a shocker

[red]

now theres the first shocker

[MadtownPacker]

The draft is stupid on a Thursday night.

[red]

Lafleur about to change the culture to more run and play action

if our HC is actually running the team and not the QB

[RashanGary]

Nutz has been saying dude is a beast. McGinns scouts compared him to Suggs. People who watch tape knew

[red]

mike mayock sucks so bad at what he does

[RashanGary]

McGinn has us taking Jeffrey Simmons. One of his scouts said Simmons is the best player in the draft

[SMBASS]

The draft is stupid on a Thursday night.

Couldn't agree more Mad.

[George Cumby]

Have fun tonight guys. I’m taking my kids to Avengers Endgame.

[SMBASS]

Simmons is definitely the best injured, woman-beating player in the Draft.

[RashanGary]

Simmons anchors better than Williams and still has pass rush. Also, I watched Simmons and he is so smart and aware. Never seemed to make a mistake and always knows what’s going on around him. Very smart and savvy on top of being a beast. More surprises coming

[Bretsky]

HERE is WHERE DEFENSE STARTS

Allen or Oliver or White are probably going to TB. And then one might go the NYG's

Hoping Haskins goes soon

[jklowan]

Oakland takes a player I hoped we would get

[RashanGary]

Simmons is definitely the best injured, woman-beating player in the Draft.


Dude, he was defending his sister. He’s a great person

[MadtownPacker]

Gonna be a trade down. Too much is needed before Rodgers is done. Load up on players.

[Bretsky]

Simmons anchors better than Williams and still has pass rush. Also, I watched Simmons and he is so smart and aware. Never seemed to make a mistake and always knows what’s going on around him. Very smart and savvy on top of being a beast. More surprises coming


Some have taken him off their boards. He's a great talent; but with a four year window can we afford to take a guy who won't help til next year ?

[RashanGary]

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Daniel Jones go sooner than we expect

[RashanGary]

Gonna be a trade down. Too much is needed before Rodgers is done. Load up on players.

I like this too. Deep draft

[Bretsky]

Gonna be a trade down. Too much is needed before Rodgers is done. Load up on players.


If somebody gives us a high 3rd to move up 3-4 slots that would be nice

But I want Bush !

[Bretsky]

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Daniel Jones go sooner than we expect


AGREE

At 12 we're right in front of three teams that needs a QB

Prime spot to set it up for auction

[Bretsky]

DAMMIT there goes one of my Devin's.

NO SURPRISE

[RashanGary]

Damn, some cool players going away. Sad!

[Bretsky]

We need the Giants to take the QB but I think they are going defense tooo

[red]

devin white gone when tampa needed a pass rusher

[Bretsky]

I think the Giants grab Allen or Oliver

But praying they go QB

[CaptainKickass]

Oh sure.

Start this fucking thread FIVE MINUTES AFTER the thing started and I already obligatory'd in the other fucking thread. Dicks.


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[RashanGary]

I think the Giants grab Allen or Oliver

But praying they go QB

It’s not going good so far. Let’s hope QB!

[Bretsky]

ANYBODY ELSE THINK ROSEN IS GOING TO THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS ??

[Rastak]

I would strongly consider QB if they feel one is good enough.....

[Bretsky]

Oh sure.

Start this fucking thread FIVE MINUTES AFTER the thing started and I already obligatory'd in the other fucking thread. Dicks.


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THANKS; SHE IS HOT

[RashanGary]

Yes!

[Bretsky]

YES GIANTS YES GIANTS YES GIANTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pbmax]

REACH!

[red]

LOLOLOLOL

[Bretsky]

Today ESPN 1070 was discussing the Giants loved Jones and pondered if he'd fall to 17.

[pbmax]

Obligatory post....hey guys. Not sure I'll be very active but let the fun begin.

RAS!

[red]

ANYBODY ELSE THINK ROSEN IS GOING TO THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS ??

got a really bad feeling about that

id say we should do it, but no way the guy is gonna ride the bench for the next 4 years

[pittstang5]

that helps, thank you NY

[Bretsky]

IF THE REDSKINS LOVE HASKINS ?????????

JAGS .....Allen Oliver or Hockenson here most likely.

[pbmax]

The draft is stupid on a Thursday night.

WISE!

[Teamcheez1]

Lunatic fringe. The Giants make the first crazy pick of the night.

[pbmax]

Have fun tonight guys. I’m taking my kids to Avengers Endgame.

Have fun, going tomorrow.

[Bretsky]

MY WISHLIST

Allen
Oliver
Bush
Sweat

[Joemailman]

2 QB's and Ferrell taken. Good news for Pack.

[pbmax]

Daniel Jones over Sam Darnold. Yes, that makes complete sense.

[RashanGary]

I watched Daniel Jones. He’s talented. Has an NFL arm and release. Throws well even when things break down. Can throw from different platforms and arm angles when he has to, but when the pocket is good has shockingly good fundementals.

[pittstang5]

MY WISHLIST

Allen
Oliver
Bush
Sweat

You just jinxed it...that'll be the next 4 taken. not necessarily in that order. lol

[Bretsky]

GREAT PICK FOR JAGS there

[RashanGary]

MY WISHLIST

Allen
Oliver
Bush
Sweat


Allen gone

Oliver
Hockenson

For me

[Bretsky]

You just jinxed it...that'll be the next 4 taken. not necessarily in that order. lol


It's what I'm famous for on Draft Day Weekend ! :)))

[Joemailman]

Lions on the clock. Hockenson?

[RashanGary]

Lions on the clock. Hockenson?

I fucking hope not!

[RashanGary]

Lions on the clock. Hockenson?


Haskins hahaha!

[Bretsky]

We have the 5th pick

For me, in this order guys I want

Oliver
Bush
Sweat
and then probably Hockenson

Honestly Bush and Oliver would be the two I'd really want. If they are gone, take an extra draft pick and move down 3-5 spots. I'm a bit afraid of Sweat

[RashanGary]

We have the 5th pick

For me, in this order guys I want

Oliver
Bush
Sweat
and then probably Hockenson

Honestly Bush and Oliver would be the two I'd really want. If they are gone, take an extra draft pick and move down 3-5 spots. I'm a bit afraid of Sweat

Sweat scares me too

[Bretsky]

Would anybody give up a pick to move up for anybody ?

Bush won't get by the Bengals at #11 IMO

And Oliver is going sooner than us

[pbmax]

All summaries courtesy of Mike Tanier: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2833151-nfl-draft-2019-round-1-grades-for-every-pick#slide1

Cardinals: Kyler Murray, Quarterback, Oklahoma

Deadly accurate quarterback comparison: Somewhere between Modern Fran Tarkenton and Miniature Marcus Mariota

By now, you probably already have an opinion about Kyler Murray: He’s the next Russell Wilson, or fake Russell Wilson, or new-and-improved Russell Wilson, or you wish everyone would stop comparing him to Russell Wilson; he’s a future All-Pro, future Beloit Snappers outfielder, future Toronto Argonaut, and so on and so on.

So let’s focus on the Arizona Cardinals instead of trying to change anyone’s mind about Murray.

The Cardinals offensive line was miserable last year, and they only made modest upgrades in the offseason. Their best receiver is a Hall of Famer who should probably already be there. The defense isn’t bad, but it won’t help produce any 16-12 victories while Murray learns on the job the way the Legion of Boom supported a young Wilson. Head coach Kliff Kingsbury is unproven, and the success rate jumping from college guru to NFL coach is discouraging.

Rookie quarterbacks on teams such as the Cardinals, no matter how tall or experienced they are, often end up running for their lives, suffering injuries and developing bad habits that can cause their franchises to grow impatient and quickly sour on them.

For further evidence, see Josh Rosen.

The decision to entrust Murray with the keys to the Cardinals franchise, coupled with Kingsbury’s hire and the quick hook for Rosen, is so unprecedented that it’s impossible to grade like just another first overall pick. The Cardinals are the kid who brought a working nuclear reactor to a science fair full of ant farms and baking-soda volcanos. Bold and potentially brilliant? Of course. But you don’t award a blue ribbon for a potential meltdown.

So let’s grade the Cardinals’ offseason instead. They didn’t address their offensive line or skill positions aggressively enough to feather the nest for Murray. They still haven’t pulled the trigger on a Rosen trade (though rumors are brewing). They sought defensive upgrades at an Atlanta Falcons flea market, of all places.

Murray has the tools to be a one-of-a-kind NFL superstar and change both the fortunes of his franchise and the way quarterback prospects are perceived. But the Cardinals need to do a lot more if they want to make that happen.

Grade: C-

[RashanGary]

Fuck!

[pittstang5]

Damn it!!!

[Bretsky]

THERE GOES YOUR GUY JH

[SMBASS]

Shit...feel bad for Hock. Hate the frickin' Lions.

[pbmax]

49ers: Nick Bosa, Edge-Rusher, Ohio State

Bleacher Report proudly presents your Field Guide to the Elite Edge-Rushers of the 2019 Draft

Athleticism: A.

First-Step Quickness: C+. He’s fine, but this is not Bosa’s calling card.

Power: B+.

Pass-Rushing Moves: A+. Bosa is exceptional at hand usage, setting up blockers with inside-outside moves and “flattening out” when turning the corner to get to the quarterback. Nuttin’ fancy, but lethal.

Run Support: B+. Bosa has great eyes and awareness on misdirection plays and is tough to run right at, though he did attempt a few too many dive-stick tackles in 2017.

Coverage: Does not apply.

Worries: Injuries, lack of production.

Bosa missed much of last season with a core muscle injury, which does not project to be a major issue in the future. He recorded only 8.5 sacks in 2017 (his most productive season), but he also shared pass-rush responsibilities that year with Tyquan Lewis (Colts) and Sam Hubbard (Bengals). Opposing quarterbacks spent much of the time getting rid of the football quickly and hoping for the best.

Bosa lacks the eye-popping measurements and tape of his older brother Joey, in part because of his truncated college career. But he’s an explosive athlete and emerging tactician as a pass-rusher who should quickly develop into a double-digit sack producer.

The Bosa selection, coupled with the acquisition of Dee Ford from the Chiefs, completes a thorough makeover of a defensive line that recorded just 37 sacks last season: 12 by DeForest Buckner and 25 by everyone else. Bosa and Ford should push the Niners defense toward 50-sack territory. That can vault them into playoff contention. Hey, better a year late than never.

Grade: A

[Bretsky]

Oliver
Bush
Sweat

GOTTA HOPE DENVER PICKS A QB

[RashanGary]

McGinn might have it again with Jeffrey Simmons

[Joemailman]

Buffalo on the clock. This could be Oliver.

[pbmax]

I was half convinced in the car that the Jets would trade this pick to the Packers for a bratwurst.

Jets: Quinnen Williams, Defensive Tackle, Alabama

Strengths: Leverage, hand usage, awareness

Weaknesses: Not a size-quickness wonder

Should the Jets be taken seriously now, or are they still a punchline? Let’s weigh the evidence.

Take them seriously: The Jets hired Adam Gase as head coach.

LOL: Gase acted like David Byrne from the Talking Heads circa 1982 at his first press conference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IsSpAOD6K8

Take them seriously: The Jets signed Le’Veon Bell.

LOL: Bell didn’t show up for the start of voluntary workouts, which is totally OK, but…gosh, it would be great if he showed a little eagerness to get back to work after his year off.

Take them seriously: The Jets signed Anthony Barr.

LOL: Oops, Barr changed his mind.

Take them seriously: The Jets added Gregg Williams as defensive coordinator.

LOL: The Jets added Gregg Williams as defensive coordinator.

The jury is clearly still out. That makes this draft—particularly this pick—so important.

There is more to Williams than just size, athleticism and a Nick Saban seal of approval.

Williams lost his mother to breast cancer in his early teens. His father became a single parent to four children. Williams became the family cook, rising before dawn to make breakfast for the family. (For more, read John Tally's 2015 AL.com profile of the young Williams. It's a remarkable story, and a nontraditional one about how "toughness" means much more than being an aggro guy on a football field.)

Williams is the "safest" top player in this draft class: dependable, mature, athletic enough, big enough, well-coached and fundamentally sound.

Safe picks are rarely sexy picks, and the worst thing about Williams is that he isn't a force of nature like Aaron Donald or Fletcher Cox. Williams is the type of defender who makes other defenders look better.

The Jets allowed 2,021 rushing yards and 4.6 yards per rush, and they’re thin along the defensive line. They also lack pure pass-rushing talent: Safety Jamal Adams often looks like their most dangerous sack threat.

Williams upgrades the defensive infrastructure. Those old “laughing stock” Jets are becoming less and less funny with every move the team makes.

Grade: A

[Bretsky]

I'll take Fant at #30 though

[pbmax]

RAIDERS: Clelin Ferrell, Edge-Rusher, Clemson

Bleacher Report proudly presents your Field Guide to the Elite Edge-Rushers of the 2019 Draft.

Athleticism: A-.The “athleticism” bar for edge-rushers is really, really high this year.

First-Step Quickness: A. Ferrell is quick and times the snap count exceptionally well.

Power: B+.

Pass-Rushing Moves: B+. Ferrell uses his first step to set up a sudden inside move or just beat the pass protector to the outside. He has some other tricks up his sleeve, but they are not quite as refined. He’s also lethal on inside stunts, which will happen when you are playing next to two of the best defensive tackles in the nation.

Run Support: B+. He’s stout at the point of attack, but ball-carriers sometimes slip past him.

Coverage: C. Ferrell has a little zone-blitz coverage experience and won’t get lost if he drops back.

Worries: The Clemson Factor

Clemson has a long history of producing edge-rushers who either run hot and cold (Vic Beasley, Shaq Lawson) or don’t quite make it (Kevin Dodd) at the NFL level. That’s because the program produces great D-line prospects in three-to-four-man bunches, meaning everyone looks better against shell-shocked opponents than they might really be. Ferrell does not look like one of those guys, but neither did Beasley or Thompson.

The Raiders recorded just 13 sacks last season—the lowest total since the 2008 Chiefs recorded just 10 sacks. Eleven individual players registered 13 or more sacks last season; meanwhile, Khalil Mack—traded away for financial/analytical/owner-in-a-snit reasons—produced 12.5 all by himself for the Bears.

So the Raiders need edge-rushers. Plural. Several. This selection puts a lot of water in the bucket but doesn’t fill it. It’s also a reach, frankly. Kentucky’s Josh Allen (among others) is still on the board, and there would almost certainly have been a market for this pick if the Raiders had chosen to trade down instead of emptying the building so Jon Gruden and Mike Mayock could work in super-duper secrecy.

Grade: C

[RashanGary]

THERE GOES YOUR GUY JH

Now we have to play him and watch him succeed too. Damn it

[red]

good

[Bretsky]

McGinn might have it again with Jeffrey Simmons


McGinn has nailed the last two years I think...and THANKS JH for the pm

[Bretsky]

Oliver IMO going here. Wonder about the cost to trade up?

[pbmax]

BUCS: Devin White, Linebacker, LSU

Strengths: Athleticism, explosiveness

Weaknesses: Playing in space

White has a pretty straightforward scouting report: explosive athlete, great off the blitz, tough and physical, can run with anyone, makes some mental errors that can be smoothed out when diagnosing plays and pass patterns. He’ll be a productive contributor for the Bucs right away.

Let’s talk about horsies instead!

White owns seven horses. One is named Daisy Mae—kids these days and their Li’l Abner references—and White sometimes rode her around LSU campus. Another is named Ricky Bobby. White has never announced the names of the other five, but I like to think they are named Happy Gilmore, Paul Revere, Hollyhock, Horsey McHorseface and Mark Emmert.

Teams didn’t sound like they were too concerned about White’s equestrian hobbies, because horseback riding is a macho enough pastime to meet NFL manliness standards. If White raised goats or chickens, he’d be branded as one of those millennial hipsters and therefore drop to the third round.

But what about if White gets hurt while riding? “I’m a pro horse rider,” White said at the combine. “I do the riding. I don’t let the horse ride me.” That’s the kind of insight NFL coaches love to hear. Also, the NCAA is probably looking into this “pro horse rider” thing as we speak.

The big variable for White’s stable was whether it would be joining him in the NFL or staying with his human family. “Most teams ask, if we draft you, will you bring the horses?” he said. “I ask, ‘How is the weather?’”

Well, Tampa is pretty humid. But my father did OK down there, and he turned the heat on when it was 68 degrees and the air conditioner when it was 72 degrees. Daisy Mae and friends will probably be fine. And so will White.

Grade: B+

[pbmax]

2 more years of Eli Manning

GIANTS: Daniel Jones, Quarterback, Duke

Deadly accurate quarterback comparison: Derek Carr with less sizzle

There was once a nitwits-in-the-news tale about a small-time lowlife who set his house on fire while cooking up some illegal substances. Because he was also a user of such substances, he couldn’t decide whether to extinguish the fire, rush his few valuables outside to save them or let everything burn so the police who arrived at the scene wouldn’t find any evidence. So he tried to do it all simultaneously. Witnesses say that when the fire trucks arrived, the man was seen racing outside with some items, then racing back into the blaze with others. Also, he was on fire.

The Giants are a lot like the fellow in that story. They traded away Odell Beckham Jr. and Olivier Vernon and allowed Landon Collins to walk as a free agent while acquiring aging veterans (Golden Tate, Antoine Bethea) and protecting Eli Manning like he’s a UNESCO site. They’re trying to do multiple things at once, none of them make sense and they still don’t realize they’re engulfed in flames.

Anyway, Jones is the quarterback equivalent of agreeing to re-up your two-year cable television package instead of seeking a better alternative. “Gosh, this sure is a lot of money to pay for shows we don’t watch like Real Housewives of Schenectady. Why don’t we just get Netflix, Hulu, Crunchyroll and...eh, I’ve gotten used to the buttons on this remote. Another $275 per month it is!”

Jones is tall, runs fairly well, has some of the sweetest mechanics you’ll ever see and often makes pretty good decisions. He’s the default-choice prospect. He appeals to coaches who think the goal of quarterbacking is to look really good at quarterbacking and to general managers who prefer to select the guy least likely to get them fired if he fails.

I really liked Jones entering the predraft process, but he was very up and down at the Senior Bowl and didn’t blow me away in combine throwing sessions. He’ll max out as a mid-tier starter like Derek Carr or Andy Dalton. But there’s a high risk he will be one of those backups who bounces around the league for 10 years because teams love “safe” backups.

Ultimately, Jones is the perfect quarterback for the Giants because the Giants don’t want to replace Eli. They want an excuse not to replace Eli—a quarterback just good enough to make it look like he presents a challenge without presenting a challenge. Jones is that guy.

But at least he’s a quarterback.

Grade: C-

[RashanGary]

I’m kind of hoping it’s not Bush cuz I took him off my draft contest list

[Bretsky]

AHOH.....Montez Sweat.....character issues. I kinda would love to see somebody draft him ahead of us

[RashanGary]

I’m kind of hoping it’s not Bush cuz I took him off my draft contest list

Oh no, I put him back on at the end!

[red]

I’m kind of hoping it’s not Bush cuz I took him off my draft contest list

well thats a shit reason to not want a guy

[Bretsky]

DAMMIT

[pbmax]

I am actually relieved it won't be a TE at 12.

[RashanGary]

Fuck, bretsky, our guys going away

[red]

all OTs still available?

[red]

I am actually relieved it won't be a TE at 12.

me too

ed oliver gone

[RashanGary]

well thats a shit reason to not want a guy

Im a competitor, red. I’ll spike the ball at my mom if it means I’ll win

[Bretsky]

Bretsky offers Denver our 12th pick and our 4th round pick for Denver' 10th

[Rastak]

all OTs still available?


Yes but stay the fuck away from them.....:-)

[Joemailman]

Broncos on the clock. Been hearing Fangio wants Devin Bush. Bit some think they go QB.

[RashanGary]

Dillard and Simmons looming like they might be our guy. Maybe Williams or Taylor too. Or a surprise lineman

[Bretsky]

all OTs still available?

yup
there are a shitload of very good OT's

[run pMc]

What are the GMs smoking? Kyler Murray a year after Rosen? Ferrell at #4? Jones at #6? Josh Allen falls to 7?

Do GMs realize they are handing fans reasons to think they know more than the GMs?

[pbmax]

JAGS: Josh Allen

FOLLOW
6'5"
262 lbs
Kentucky
1 POS RK
5 OVR RK
93 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Josh Allen
Josh Allen is an edge rusher out of Kentucky with a quick first step and great closing speed.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Allen has a quick first step, good torso flexibility and outstanding closing speed. He made substantial strides as a hand fighter in 2018 and looks to cause turnovers when he gets to the quarterback. He's a good tackler and rangy run-defender.

Post-Draft Analysis
Jacksonville makes the wise move and overlooks more pressing needs in favor of talent and value (Allen was our No. 5 prospect). With Calais Campbell turning 33 this year and last year's first-round pick Taven Bryan potentially moving to 3-technique, look for Allen to make an immediate impact as a pass-rusher and push for a three-down role in time. -- Steve Muench

[RashanGary]

yup
there are a shitload of very good OT's

Lots of lineman. Rodgers would appreciate it

[run pMc]

I am actually relieved it won't be a TE at 12.

Fant is still available.

[pittstang5]

Pack should trade down now

[Bretsky]

Dillard and Simmons looming like they might be our guy. Maybe Williams or Taylor too. Or a surprise lineman


If Bush goes gotta trade down and then nab a OT

[pbmax]

LIONS: TE T.J. Hockenson


6'5", 251 lbs
Iowa
1 POS RK
6 OVR RK
92 GRADE

NFL draft profile: T.J. Hockenson
Iowa's T.J. Hockenson is a weapon in the passing game and an above-average blocker, and he has an outstanding combination of height, weight, playing speed and strength.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Hockenson is the rare tight end coming out of college who is a weapon in the passing game and as a blocker. He's a naturally instinctive route runner with an outstanding combination of height, weight, playing speed and strength. He has exceptional ball skills.

Post-Draft Analysis
The Lions came into the draft looking to add weapons for quarterback Matthew Stafford and improve a running game that ranked 23rd in rushing yards per game last year. Adding Hockenson accomplishes both. Look for him to win the starting job early. -- Steve Muench

[Bretsky]

FUCK

STEELERS JUST WENT UP TO GET BUSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[pbmax]

Fant is still available.

I refuse to believe.

[Bretsky]

IMO

[Gotarace]

Fant will be there at 30

[pittstang5]

Who do they want. Devin Bush - Steelers?

[Bretsky]

Those f'ckin Steelers .....Watt and Bush

[pbmax]

BILLS: DT Ed Oliver

6'2", 287 lbs
Houston

2 POS RK
3 OVR RK
94 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Ed Oliver
Ed Oliver is a great interior defender with violent hands and elite first-step quickness.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Oliver is a highly disruptive, one-gap run-defender with good instincts and elite first-step quickness. He has excellent range and makes plays in pursuit. He has violent hands but is undersized with shorter arms and needs to play in a one-gap scheme to be at his best. He hasn't realized his considerable potential when it comes to getting to the quarterback.

[RashanGary]

FUCK

STEELERS JUST WENT UP TO GET BUSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


No spoilers bretsky

[red]

fucking steelers again

[Bretsky]

Who do they want. Devin Bush - Steelers?


BPA

[red]

No spoilers bretsky

not official

just a guess

[Bretsky]

No spoilers bretsky


I don't know if it's true; but I think Pitt wants a LB

[RashanGary]

Fuck!!!!!!!!

[Bretsky]

F'CK YOU PITTSBURG

JJ WATT AND DEVIN DAM BUSH

[RashanGary]

God damn it. All of the really exciting players going away.

[Bretsky]

Everybody thought Cincy wanted Bush

They just shit on themselves too

[jklowan]

fuck

[pbmax]

F'CK YOU PITTSBURG

JJ WATT AND DEVIN DAM BUSH

What was their record last year? How did their defense play?

[Joemailman]

Bengals on the clock. This could be the first OT lff the board.

[Teamcheez1]

Trade down.

[red]

we are gonna get an awesome RT

[Bretsky]

God damn it. All of the really exciting players going away.


I should have stuck my predictions with the two OT's I didn't really want.

[jklowan]

hope we can trade down and pick up a pick, fuck

[Guiness]

I was starting to hope Oliver would drop all the way to 12, but it wasn't to be.

[RashanGary]

Drue Tranquill and Cody Barton are two fairly fast and complete pass coverage linebackers that would fit nice next to Martinez that coul be had tomorrow.

[Bretsky]

What was their record last year? How did their defense play?


You happy we have Kevin King instead of JJ Watt ?

[pbmax]

PITTSBURGH: ILB Devin Bush

5'11", 234 lbs
Michigan
2 POS RK
8 OVR RK
91 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Devin Bush
Devin Bush is a linebacker from Michigan who was named the Big Ten's Defensive Player of the Year in 2018.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Bush is a three-down linebacker with outstanding quickness, athleticism and speed. He's adept in man-to-man coverage, shows good range in zone coverage and is an instinctive pass-rusher with excellent closing burst. He's a sideline-to-sideline run-defender.

[RashanGary]

we are gonna get an awesome RT

Probably. Or the best D player in the draft, who’s injured.

[pbmax]

You happy we have Kevin King instead of JJ Watt ?

I have stopped believing in Pittsburgh's defensive infallibility.

[Bretsky]

If the Bengals don't take Haskins we NEED to trade down

If the Bengals take Haskins I don't know if anybody wants to give any value for our pick

[RashanGary]

Safe pick

[Bretsky]

I have stopped believing in Pittsburgh's defensive infallibility.


But JJ Watt is good and IMO Devin Bush will be a pro bowler

[pbmax]

BENGALS: OT Jonah Williams

6'5", 302 lbs
Alabama

2 POS RK
17 OVR RK
90 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Jonah Williams
Jonah Williams gets set quickly and handles speed rushers off the edge relatively effortlessly.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Williams gets set quickly and handles speed off the edge relatively effortlessly, even though he has below-average arm length for an offensive tackle. He does a good job of sinking his hips and anchoring against speed-to-power. He gets into sound position and gets good initial pop in the running game.

[run pMc]

Jonah Williams to CIN

[HarveyWallbangers]

Sweat, Dillard, or Wilkins

[run pMc]

Trade down?

[pbmax]

But JJ Watt is good and IMO Devin Bush will be a pro bowler

Lot of good players on bad teams. Need what we need. More than White or Bush, I want to believe in the coaches.

Packers need infusion of talent. Wrong time for Shermanism :lol:

[smuggler]

Do we take Jawaan Taylor or do we trade down?

[Bretsky]

Safe pick


Yup; it seems like there are so many good OL

I think the Packers are going Dillard or Sweat

But I'm ponding the table to trade the pick to Washington; it's the perfect setup

[run pMc]

Sweat, Dillard, or Wilkins

I'm betting it's Dillard.

[HarveyWallbangers]

But JJ Watt is good and IMO Devin Bush will be a pro bowler

What does JJ have to do with the Steelers?

[pbmax]

Sweat, Dillard, or Wilkins

I'd bet there are a lot of O lineman graded evenly for them. Its either Edge or trade down I think.

[red]

Sweat, Dillard, or Wilkins

jawaan taylor is a great player too

[Bretsky]

Lot of good players on bad teams. Need what we need. More than White or Bush, I want to believe in the coaches.

Packers need infusion of talent. Wrong time for Shermanism :lol:



I believe in Greg Gard the coach but he can't get good players so he needs to go.

Surround GB with great players and it will make most coaches look strong

[Rastak]

Push those OL down to 18.

[RashanGary]

Dillard or Simmons.

Could see burns too. Packers in a spot to take a luxury pass rush specialist

[run pMc]

I'd bet there are a lot of O lineman graded evenly for them. Its either Edge or trade down I think.

I hope you're right.

[Joemailman]

Trade down here.

[red]

Trade down?

treams have been trying to trade down all night, no one wants to move up

[Bretsky]

I'd bet there are a lot of O lineman graded evenly for them. Its either Edge or trade down I think.


I would think so. Sweat might be there when Washington picks.

[jmbarnes101]

Crud, they picked someone.

[pittstang5]

If we stay, Brian Burns or Andre Dillard are my guesses

[red]

pick is in

[smuggler]

Maybe it's Simmons.

[pbmax]

Oh dear lord.

Its not good news.

[Bretsky]

OK HERE WE GO

[woodbuck27]

I can't see Packers trading down. Lots there.

[RashanGary]

Oh no!!!!!

[Bretsky]

OH MYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[SMBASS]

Gary...fuck me...one of the few guys I didn't want. WTF..

[red]

FUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[pbmax]

Spoiler Twitter was right. :bang:

[Teamcheez1]

I absolutely hate the pick.

[smuggler]

No...... NOooooOooOOOOOOOooooo

[run pMc]

ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING?

[pbmax]

GREEN BAY: DE, Rashan Gary

6'4", 277 lbs
Michigan
2 POS RK
13 OVR RK
90 GRADE
NFL draft profile: Rashan Gary
Rashan Gary is a versatile defensive lineman with an outstanding combination of size, length and speed out of Michigan.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Gary's production at Michigan never met his skill level, but he's a versatile defensive lineman with an outstanding combination of size, length and speed. He's a powerful run-defender with the upper-body strength to stack and shed blockers. He has the tools to develop into a productive and disruptive pass-rusher at the NFL level.

[smuggler]

Jamaal Reynolds

[red]

god damnit

got bust written all over him

and we don't need D-line, bonus

[woodbuck27]

Did TT make that pick?

[Bretsky]

WOW; quote......This is a guy with a lot of talent who lacks production.

[Teamcheez1]

Jamaal Reynolds

Justin Harrell 2.0

[woodbuck27]

How to dumb out. A HUGE REACH.

[pbmax]

Dammit, I jinxed this:

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?30431-Official-2019-Draft-Thread&p=1008117&viewfull=1#post1008117

[pittstang5]

ugh

[RashanGary]

Welcome to the packer GM job Gutey. Now you will be hated

[Rastak]

WOW; quote......This is a guy with a lot of talent who lacks production.


That was the scoop on D Hunter who the Vikes took a couple years ago and the dude is excellent.

That said, I'd rather not have my first pick be labeled no production.

[Zool]

Datone part 2

[run pMc]

Could not hate that pick more.

[smuggler]

Justin Harrell and Jamaal Reynolds were at least good players in college. We are giving this dude too much credit.

[Guiness]

Jamaal Reynolds

Closer to Dantone Jones IMO

[Deputy Nutz]

Hory Sheeet!!!

[pbmax]

Datone part 2

I was thinking worse Vonnie Holiday.

[Packers4Glory]

I thought ted was gone. Fuck

[smuggler]

I was thinking worse Vonnie Holiday.

Vonnie was a good player for a long time in the NFL. Not fair to include him with this list of bums. (D. Hunter, notwithstanding).

[Packers4Glory]

Sweat sitting there & we go here. Fuckn ludicrousness

[wist43]

Wow, what a horrible pick... WTF is Gute thinking??

The odds of this guy turning into a player are very, very long.

[pbmax]

If it was Michigan's offense, I could see an argument that he was hampered. But the Michigan D coaches are pretty good.

[SMBASS]

Hey, at least Gary is already injured so we have that going for us. I can't believe we made this fukking pick. Now I'm already pissed for the rest of the draft.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Can't say he doesn't fit what Pettine likes it out of his OLBs. Gutey got three guys I'm sure Pettine wanted. It's time to coach them up.

We now have three big and athletic OLBs to rotate.

[pbmax]

Vonnie was a good player for a long time in the NFL. Not fair to include him with this list of bums. (D. Hunter, notwithstanding).

But never really a force. And that is why I said worse Holliday.

I wonder where they play a 273 pound guy.

[red]

i decided to not pick anyone or get too excited about any player so i could be happy with whatever we did

gary was the one guy though i absolutely did not want

[pbmax]

Hey, at least Gary is already injured so we have that going for us. I can't believe we made this fukking pick. Now I'm already pissed for the rest of the draft.

Packer shoulder about to replace Packer hamstring.

[woodbuck27]

Packer Rats mouths wide open. Uttering ugh!

Why LBer in that spot with LBER Devan Bush off the board?

[pbmax]

MIAMI: DT, Christian Wilkins

6'3", 315 lbs
Clemson

3 POS RK
7 OVR RK
92 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Christian Wilkins
Clemson's Christian Wilkins is a polished pass rusher with quick hands and an excellent motor who can also help on short yardage packages.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Wilkins is a polished pass-rusher with quick hands and an excellent motor. He is an active and disruptive run-defender who slips blocks and makes plays in pursuit. He plays in every facet of special teams and contributes as a lead blocker in some short-yardage packages.

[pbmax]

Well, I was right about pass rush. Wrong about big guy if Harv is right and he plays OLB.

Stunned they did not trade down.

[Packers4Glory]

Him & King can be rehab buddies all season along w bulaga

[pbmax]

Can't say he doesn't fit what Pettine likes it out of his OLBs. Gutey got three guys I'm sure Pettine wanted. It's time to coach them up.

We now have three big and athletic OLBs to rotate.

Might lead to less out of position players, but not sure that was a value or BPA pick.

[Rastak]

Well, I was right about pass rush. Wrong about big guy if Harv is right and he plays OLB.

Stunned they did not trade down.


Well, to be fair there has to be someone who wants that spot. They could have tried.

[red]

Can't say he doesn't fit what Pettine likes it out of his OLBs. Gutey got three guys I'm sure Pettine wanted. It's time to coach them up.

We now have three big and athletic OLBs to rotate.

i haven't seen anything anywhere that calls him an OLB

[QBME]

On the brighter side, could make Gute a brilliant savant...

[SMBASS]

King and Gary. Hey if you want to be drafted in the 1st Rd by the Packers make sure you have a good shoulder injury coming out of college.

I'm with red...the one frickin' guy I absolutely did not want.

[jmbarnes101]

If Packers brass was attempting to give every fan two giant middle fingers they succeeded. We have to hope he’s better then we all think he’s going to be. This pick sucks.

[Rastak]

Lining up decently for OL for the Vikings.....

[smuggler]

Washington will take Metcalf or Haskins, methinks.

[HarveyWallbangers]

i haven't seen anything anywhere that calls him an OLB

I think he'll play a similar role as Z. Smith. OLB on early downs. Inside rusher on passing downs.

[pbmax]

ATLANTA: OG, Chris Lindstrom

6'4", 308 lbs
Boston College

1 POS RK
41 OVR RK
86 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Chris Lindstrom
Chris Lindstrom is an offensive lineman out of Boston College who earned AP third-team All-America and first-team All-ACC honors.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Lindstrom is a versatile offensive lineman who primarily played right guard but saw time at right tackle at Boston College. He tested exceptionally well at the combine and has a high ceiling. He gets set quickly, has good length and moves well laterally. He's an athletic run-blocker who gets into position and fights to sustain his block.

[RashanGary]

Who the fuck takes a 300lb OG with the 13th pick. Fuck that

[red]

Rashan Gary was one of the highest-rated players coming out of Paramus Catholic High in NJ and did nothing at Michigan to live up to it. Also has the labrum issue. Good luck, Packers.

Gil Brandt
‏
Verified account


nice

[woodbuck27]

Welcome to the packer GM job Gutey. Now you will be hated

I think they gave a dart to TT to toss at a dart board. TT was low and to the 'not right'.

[Zool]

At least it’s not Metcalf

[pbmax]

Well, to be fair there has to be someone who wants that spot. They could have tried.

Yeah, bet they did.

Just feels weird. Like the Harrell pick. See the need, get the positional idea, they need depth. But woof on the value.

[pbmax]

At least it’s not Metcalf

I agreed with this until I realized its not going to stop the posts.

[woodbuck27]

nice

How do you spell 'bust'.

[Sparkey]

Thanks Gutey for the buzz kill.

[RashanGary]

I think they gave a dart to TT to toss at a dart board. TT was low and to the 'not right'.

You discredit him for the Rodgers pick and blame him for Guteys picks. Do you see how weird this is, woodbuck?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Z. Smith = 6'4" 274
P. Smith = 6'5" 271
R. Gary = 6'4" 277

Pettine had similar OLBs with the Jets.

[Rastak]

Vikings still looking at some good OL options it seems.


Have to see what the Panthers do.

[Joemailman]

I think he'll play a similar role as Z. Smith. OLB on early downs. Inside rusher on passing downs.

I agree. I think he'll play inside as much as outside. Pettine is very big on generating inside pressure. He now has 2 guys who can do that.

[woodbuck27]

Yeah, bet they did.

Just feels weird. Like the Harrell pick. See the need, get the positional idea, they need depth. But woof on the value.

That pick was like a real punch in the guts and doubling over the prick kicks you in the nuts for good measure.

[Strange Brew]

Could've had the best receiver, the best running back or or the second best tight end in the draft but took this dud instead? They seem to panic whenever they have a top 15 pick!

[Teamcheez1]

After that trash pick, I doubt I will stay up to see pick #30. I'm expecting a punter or kicker.

[pbmax]

WASHINGTON: QB, Dwayne Haskins

6'3", 231 lbs
Ohio State

2 POS RK
15 OVR RK
90 GRADE

NFL draft profile: Dwayne Haskins
Dwayne Haskins is a gifted pocket passer out of Ohio State with good arm strength.

Pre-Draft Analysis
Haskins is a gifted pocket passer with prototypical size and very good arm strength. He has excellent natural touch and anticipation and throws receivers open. He senses pressure and knows when to climb and when to slide while keeping his eyes downfield. He lacks ideal experience but is the most complete quarterback prospect in this class.

[red]

I think he'll play a similar role as Z. Smith. OLB on early downs. Inside rusher on passing downs.

hope you're right

and that he finally discovers motivation