Welcome Back, Ahman Green

[FritzDontBlitz]

You answered all of our questions about you today, and you were very impressive in doing so. you ran with power and exploded thru numerous would-be tacklers. your play today taught the rookies how to carry themselves, even in a losing effort.

I suggest mikey mac should go to a 52% run/48% pass mix to give the passing game time to jell and discover its rhythm - and a ball control offense would give our awful pass defense time to adjust to playing together.

but anyway.

welcome back batman....

[BallHawk]

He's my hope.

[vince]

Gado looked like he had cement in his cleats compared to Ahman. Green was powerful too.

Great to see. We'll definitely need him this year...

[GrnBay007]

Welcome badk Ahman!! You looked great!!!

[red]

the old washed up guy looked good today

he ran like it was 2004, we didn't see that kind of running from him last year before the injury. which makes me think even more that his quad was a big problem last year, even before he tore it

[Joemailman]

the old washed up guy looked good today

he ran like it was 2004, we didn't see that kind of running from him last year before the injury. which makes me think even more that his quad was a big problem last year, even before he tore it


Exactly right. This was the best he's looked since early 2004.

[Dabaddestbear]

do you guys realise that all his runs for possitive yards was when the bears wher in dime an nickle offenses? Meaning that he only looked productive when the Bears figured there is no way you will run when you are 3rd and 20 :crazy:

[oregonpackfan]

I agree that when he had room to run, Green looked quick, decisive, and powerful. There were too many times, however, where Green had nowhere to run because the Packers' inexperienced line couldn't handle the middle of the Bears' d-line.

OPF

[retailguy]

do you guys realise that all his runs for possitive yards was when the bears wher in dime an nickle offenses? Meaning that he only looked productive when the Bears figured there is no way you will run when you are 3rd and 20 :crazy:

not true baddest. he had several runs on 1st and 2nd down that looked good overall. I remember one series where it was 3rd and 2 and green ran on 1 & 2...

nice try though.... :mrgreen:

[FritzDontBlitz]

do you guys realise that all his runs for possitive yards was when the bears wher in dime an nickle offenses? Meaning that he only looked productive when the Bears figured there is no way you will run when you are 3rd and 20 :crazy:

nice rewriting of the truth. his biggest runs were on first down.

[FritzDontBlitz]

I agree that when he had room to run, Green looked quick, decisive, and powerful. There were too many times, however, where Green had nowhere to run because the Packers' inexperienced line couldn't handle the middle of the Bears' d-line.

OPF

he finished with 110 yards, and on many of his runs he blasted through 2 and 3 tacklers, dragging them downfield...

[MJZiggy]

I love it when he does that...

[FritzDontBlitz]

say what you will about ahman, but he showed a huge degree of toughness today. after the game got so far out of reach he could have asked to be taken out to rest his newly repaired quadriceps but he choose to play till the end instead. i thought it was very impressive and is worth packer player of the week at the very least. a performance like his should serve as an inspiration to the horde of rookies on the team.

ahman don't talk shit, he just gets the job done through hard work, grit and determination. walter payton would be proud of him...

[Dabaddestbear]

do you guys realise that all his runs for possitive yards was when the bears wher in dime an nickle offenses? Meaning that he only looked productive when the Bears figured there is no way you will run when you are 3rd and 20 :crazy:

nice rewriting of the truth. his biggest runs were on first down.
yeah but when you are down by 26 points whay are you still running? of course you are gonna get some good yards cuz no one thinks you are dumb enough to keep trying to run when you need quick scores. You see what happened when the Bears knew they had to run on 4th and inches. They got smashed each time. The Bears on the other hand made their 4th down attmepts.

Here is a list of all his runs. You can see yourself how insignificant they were and how they score was steadily creeping up and yet they just wanted to keep running.


1st quarter Green Bay Packers at 12:00
1-10-GB17(12:00) A.Green right guard to GB 20 for 3 yards (L.Briggs).
2-7-GB20(11:26) A.Green right guard to GB 26 for 6 yards (M.Brown).
3-1-GB26(10:59) A.Green left tackle to GB 26 for no gain (L.Briggs). -----Down 7

Green Bay Packers at 05:02
1-10-GB37(4:34) A.Green up the middle to GB 40 for 3 yards (L.Briggs, T.Johnson).
2-7-GB40(3:59) A.Green left end to GB 44 for 4 yards (A.Ogunleye). -----Down 7

2nd quarter Green Bay Packers at 13:39
1-10-GB47(13:13) A.Green up the middle to CHI 46 for 7 yards (T.Johnson).
2-3-CHI46(12:33) A.Green left guard to CHI 44 for 2 yards (C.Tillman).
3-1-CHI44(11:54) A.Green right tackle to CHI 44 for no gain (T.Harris).
1-10-GB25(4:31) A.Green left end to GB 39 for 14 yards (M.Brown).----Down 10

Green Bay Packers at 04:31
1-10-GB25(4:31) A.Green left end to GB 39 for 14 yards (M.Brown).
2-17-GB32(3:17) A.Green left tackle to GB 32 for no gain (Ta.Johnson, M.Anderson).---Down 13

3rd quarter Green Bay Packers at 14:55
1-10-GB45(14:26) A.Green right guard to GB 47 for 2 yards (L.Briggs, M.Brown).
2-8-GB47(13:43) A.Green left end pushed ob at CHI 42 for 11 yards (N.Vasher).----Down 16

Green Bay Packers at 10:43
1-10-GB4(10:43) A.Green right end to GB 4 for no gain (B.Ayanbadejo). Penalty on GB-M.Tauscher, Offensive Holding, declined.
1-10-GB18(9:46) A.Green left tackle to GB 19 for 1 yard (T.Harris, B.Urlacher).---Down 16

Green Bay Packers at 01:41
2-8-GB30(:59) (Shotgun) A.Green right tackle to GB 39 for 9 yards (B.Urlacher, D.Manning).---Down 19

4th Quarter
3-26-GB23(14:55) (Shotgun) A.Green left tackle to GB 34 for 11 yards (M.Brown, B.Urlacher). ---Down 19

Green Bay Packers at 09:19
2-10-CHI48(9:11) (Shotgun) A.Green up the middle to CHI 37 for 11 yards (R.Manning, D.Manning).---Down 26 yet still running.

Green Bay Packers at 05:12
2-10-GB22(5:08) (Shotgun) A.Green left tackle to GB 34 for 12 yards (L.Briggs).
1-10-GB34(4:34) (Shotgun) A.Green right tackle to GB 39 for 5 yards (L.Briggs, A.Ogunleye). ---Down 26

Green Bay Packers at 00:26
2-5-GB20(:21) A.Green left tackle to GB 29 for 9 yards (A.Boone). ---Down 26

I honestly think the Bears figured Brett would look to gun it downfield more than he actually tried and therefore kept an extra DB on the field at all times. That formula dont work well for Brett and that showed today.

[FritzDontBlitz]

according to your logic they never should have run at all, since the packers were already down 7-0 before their offense took the field.

and regardless of your logic, it still doesn't diminish what ahman green did today. he was clearly the best running back on the field.

[FritzDontBlitz]

oh wait, i forgot. bear fans don't USE logic....

[Noodle]

I don't know what sort of cut-rate contract they got Ahman to sign after his injury, but it looks to me like he's already outperformed it.

It wasn't just his yards. He was popping dudes on blitz pickup. He was trying to encourage his teammates. And he was finishing runs with both good ball security and punishing blows.

And yeah, his quad was flairing up all last year before the rupture and had been bothering him a lot since mid-season 2004. That he has rehabbed himself to this point is nothing sort of amazing.

I just hope they don't overwork him. Though there doesn't seem to be much else in the stable right now.

[Patler]

I don't know what sort of cut-rate contract they got Ahman to sign after his injury, but it looks to me like he's already outperformed it.


Actually, its not cutrate. The more he performs, the more he gets:

A $500,000 signing bonus, a $150,000 roster bonus and a $1.35 million base salary for a $2 million base that is now guaranteed since he was on the opening game roster.

In addition, he will receive:
$250,000 if he rushes for 750 yards,
another $500,000 for 950 yards
another $500,000 for 1,150 yards
another $500,000 for 1,350 yards
another $500,000 for 1,550 yards.
He also receives $31,250 for every game he is on the roster ($500,000 for 16 games)

I think it was a fair deal for both the team and Green.

[MadtownPacker]

The one bright spot of thee day was Ahman. He does not have the burst of before. Some of the longer runs of his today would have been 50 yarders in 2003. Still he showed he is the starter and I am very happy for him.

[mmmdk]

Ahman Green's play bodes well; Packers could be competing in quite a few games if he's healthy all year. His homerun burst seems gone, for the moment, he could still have it I hope.

[Noodle]

I don't know what sort of cut-rate contract they got Ahman to sign after his injury, but it looks to me like he's already outperformed it.


Actually, its not cutrate. The more he performs, the more he gets:

A $500,000 signing bonus, a $150,000 roster bonus and a $1.35 million base salary for a $2 million base that is now guaranteed since he was on the opening game roster.

In addition, he will receive:
$250,000 if he rushes for 750 yards,
another $500,000 for 950 yards
another $500,000 for 1,150 yards
another $500,000 for 1,350 yards
another $500,000 for 1,550 yards.
He also receives $31,250 for every game he is on the roster ($500,000 for 16 games)

I think it was a fair deal for both the team and Green.

I think the Pack got a great deal. The Edge ran for a little over 1500 yards last year and made $9m. That was pre-salary cap increase money. Best case for Green, if Green runs for 1550 (way too early to say), he'll make $4.75m, according to your numbers, in a year when the salary cap went up around $20m or so.

[pbmax]

Agreed on all positive counts.

Ahman, :bow: please take it easy on the home life. They need you, we need you.

[Patler]

I don't know what sort of cut-rate contract they got Ahman to sign after his injury, but it looks to me like he's already outperformed it.


Actually, its not cutrate. The more he performs, the more he gets:

A $500,000 signing bonus, a $150,000 roster bonus and a $1.35 million base salary for a $2 million base that is now guaranteed since he was on the opening game roster.

In addition, he will receive:
$250,000 if he rushes for 750 yards,
another $500,000 for 950 yards
another $500,000 for 1,150 yards
another $500,000 for 1,350 yards
another $500,000 for 1,550 yards.
He also receives $31,250 for every game he is on the roster ($500,000 for 16 games)

I think it was a fair deal for both the team and Green.

I think the Pack got a great deal. The Edge ran for a little over 1500 yards last year and made $9m. That was pre-salary cap increase money. Best case for Green, if Green runs for 1550 (way too early to say), he'll make $4.75m, according to your numbers, in a year when the salary cap went up around $20m or so.

Its also a very good deal for Green, in guaranteeing him $2 million just for making the roster after an injury that many feel is career changing and may stop him at anytime.

Green's salary last year was 4.375, and his total cap was 5.625. In 2004 his numbers were 3.6 and 4.9. Green is severely damaged goods at this point, with a lot still to prove (speed, durability, etc.) Green Bay gave him the chance to comeback, prove he is recovered AND make a lot of money doing it. I doubt most teams would have offered more than a minimal contract to him after the injury he had. Green Bay also did not try to take advantage of him and tie him up for a few years, just a single year. If he proves he is back, he can still maybe sign a bigger deal somewhere.

[Dabaddestbear]

according to your logic they never should have run at all, since the packers were already down 7-0 before their offense took the field.

and regardless of your logic, it still doesn't diminish what ahman green did today. he was clearly the best running back on the field.

The RB with the most yards in the game is not neccessarily the best back on the field. A list of Top RB's that didnt break 100yrds but still won...
E. James (26-73)
D. McAllister (22-90)
S. Alexander (19-51)
J. Lewis (18-78)
W. McGahee (20-70)
R. Johnson (28-96)
F. Taylor (21-74)

Heres my logic, out of the starting RB's sunday only 6 rushed for at least 100 yards only 2 won. And out of the 4 remaining teams that lost only GB was getting beat with no realistic cance of winning yet they wanted to still run out of the shotgun thinking they would somehow bust a TD each time in time enough to come back.

Warrick Dunn ATL 132 W
Steven Jackson STL 121 L
Willie Parker PIT 115 W
Tiki Barber NYG 110 L
Ahman Green GB 110 L
Tatum Bell DEN 103 L

Say it with me boys and girls. Your coach sucks!
I dont think it was the players fault as much as the Coaching. You just dont keep running the ball when it is obvious that you need to pass for quick points. Every team would have a 100yard rusher if they just kept running the ball when the other team knows that they need to pass to win the game and therefore goes into pass defense.

Bottom line is when the Bears wanted to stop Green they did. Green got yards when the LBs was backed off the line of scrimmage in zone coverage. Dont let Green's ghost stats fool you. But I have to admit he played better than I thought he could coming off that injury. But I bet you that If Gado was ran in those same situations he would yield similiar results.

[Patler]

But I bet you that If Gado was ran in those same situations he would yield similiar results.

I agreed with your entire post, until this, your last statement.

[Scott Campbell]

I think the Pack got a great deal. The Edge ran for a little over 1500 yards last year and made $9m. That was pre-salary cap increase money. Best case for Green, if Green runs for 1550 (way too early to say), he'll make $4.75m, according to your numbers, in a year when the salary cap went up around $20m or so.


The Edge is only one example. I'd bet that there are more 1500 yard backs that have made less than Green would in your example than have made more.

[Patler]

Other Rb's 2005 salaries and prorated bonuses (ie "cap value) in order were (in millions):

James - $9.1
Tomlinson - $8.1
Alexander - $6.3
Johnson - $6.3
Lewis - $5.6
Martin - $5.6
Barber - $5.1
Holmes - $4.7
Faulk - $4.0

I know the cap went up this year, but all things considered Green Bay was very fair with Green, in my opinion.

[Dabaddestbear]

But I bet you that If Gado was ran in those same situations he would yield similiar results.

I agreed with your entire post, until this, your last statement.
Ok, maybe I went overboard with that one, but I think you get the point...lol.