My Stab At The 53 Man Roster - Dead Zone Version

[Joemailman]

QB (3) Rodgers, Kizer, Boyle
RB (4) Jones, D. Williams, J. Williams, Vitale
WR (6) Adams, Allison, T.Davis, Kumerow, St. Brown, Valdes-Scantling
TE (4) Graham, Lewis, Sternberger, Tonyan
OL (9) Linsley, Jenkins, Madison, Patrick, Taylor, Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Spriggs, Turner

DL (6) M. Adams, Clark, Daniels, Keke, Lancaster, Lowry
LB (8) Burks, Crawford, Fackrell, Gary, Martinez, P. Smith, Z. Smith, Summers
CB (7) Alexander, Brown, Hollman, Jackson, Jamerson, King, T. Williams
S (3) Amos, Greene, Savage

ST (3) Crosby, Bradley, Scott

Practice Squad:

DL James Looney
G/T Adam Pankey
T Yosh Nijman
T/G Alex Light
RB Tra Carson
S Tray Matthews
TE Pharoah McKever
WR Teo Redding
WR Allen Lazard
LB Kendall Donnerson

[Smidgeon]

QB (3) Rodgers, Kizer, Boyle
RB (4) Jones, D. Williams, J. Williams, Vitale
WR (6) Adams, Allison, T.Davis, Kumerow, St. Brown, Valdes-Scantling, Moore
TE (4) Graham, Lewis, Sternberger, Tonyan
OL (9) Linsley, Jenkins, Madison, Patrick, Taylor, Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Spriggs, Turner

DL (6) M. Adams, Clark, Daniels, Keke, Lancaster, Lowry
LB (8) Burks, Crawford, Fackrell, Gary, Martinez, P. Smith, Z. Smith(, Summers)
CB (7) Alexander, Brown, Hollman, Jackson(, Jamerson), King, T. Williams
S (3) Amos, Greene, Savage, Jones

ST (3) Crosby, Bradley, Scott

Except for four changes, I pretty much agree. I think the 7th round draft pick will head to the PS, I think they'll keep Jones at safety, I think Moore sticks on the roster, and Jamerson doesn't make the cut.

I'm most up in the air about Summers, whether he'll make it or not, but I think it's him or Josh Jones, depending on what they do about Jones and if they can get him to buy in. If they can't, Summers is on and Jones is gone. I think Moore has too much potential to cut. I think unless he bombs worse than last year, he has until next training camp to show he belongs in the NFL.

[Joemailman]

Except for four changes, I pretty much agree. I think the 7th round draft pick will head to the PS, I think they'll keep Jones at safety, I think Moore sticks on the roster, and Jamerson doesn't make the cut.

I'm most up in the air about Summers, whether he'll make it or not, but I think it's him or Josh Jones, depending on what they do about Jones and if they can get him to buy in. If they can't, Summers is on and Jones is gone. I think Moore has too much potential to cut. I think unless he bombs worse than last year, he has until next training camp to show he belongs in the NFL.

I'm guessing Josh Jones will be dealt before training camp. Jamerson has been snaps at Safety although he is listed as a CB. I wanted to keep Moore, but had a hard time finding room with 3 QB's. There's been some talk about Moore being more ready to contribute this year, but I haven't heard much about him actually making plays in practice. Right now he seems to be the #7 WR. Not sure if that will be enough to make it.

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't think they keep all three QBs on the 53. I also see Moore instead of Davis (or maybe keep 7 WRs - both). I also think Josh Jones is more likely to stay than go. I think Reggie Gilbert stays and Summers goes to the practice squad. I wouldn't be surprised if Wilkins beats out either Kizer or Boyle for a practice squad spot.

[pbmax]

Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood
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By my count, Chandon Sullivan is on every single special teams, if you were wondering about his chances of making the #Packers' roster. (Hint: that's a good place to be.)

[pbmax]

@ByRyanWood
On the preseason...

DeShone Kizer: 13-23, 172 yards, TD, 94.84 rating.
Tim Boyle: 15-26, 147, 3 TD, 112.8 rating.

Keep in mind, Kizer has played better competition.

@ByRyanWood
Curtis Bolton gets the start tonight at ILB ahead of Ty Summers, same as in practice. Rest of starting defense is same as it's been all offseason.

Demovsky, echoing some other beat guys I cannot now find, thinks Kumerow is a lock for the 4th WR spot. So Adams, Allison, MVS, Kumerow. Then in no particular order, Lazard, Shepard, ESB and Davis. Davis being hurt after a good start to camp is that guy's entire career in a nutshell. You know he will be back for the 4th preseason game and have a huge return.
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-41073319-4

[hoosier]

Kizer has played against better competition, sure, but by the same logic his supporting cast has been better too. After last week, TheFlower said Kizer had a decent first game but that he now has to show consistency. Suggests to me that they are trying to figure out if Kizer has the acuity and maturity to realize his potential. If, more than a full year in, he still hasn't figured out how to get it done on a day to day basis, that suggests he never will figure it out.

[mraynrand]

Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood
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14h
By my count, Chandon Sullivan is on every single special teams, if you were wondering about his chances of making the #Packers' roster. (Hint: that's a good place to be.)


Does Tony Brown lose out in this deal?

[Joemailman]

Does Tony Brown lose out in this deal?

I doubt it. He's the starting corner as long as King and Jackson are hurt. And even when Jackson comes back, I think Brown might be ahead of him. And now Hollman is hurt.

[RashanGary]

(2) Rodgers Kizer

(3) Jones Williams Williams

(1) Vitale

(4) Graham Lewis Tonyan Sternberger

(6) Adams MVS Allison Kumerow Davis EQ

(9) Bakh Bulaga Light De Beer Pankey Taylor Turner Jenkins Lindsley

(6) Clark Lowry Adams Lancaster keke Looney

(4) Gary Smith Smith Fackrell

(4) Martinez Bolton Summers Crawford (burks IR)

(7) Alexander King Williams Brown Hollman Jackson Sullivan

(4) Amos Savage Greene Redmond



(3) Crosby Scott Bradley

[pbmax]

Does Tony Brown lose out in this deal?

Yes, what Joe said. Everyone is signing Brown's praises now. He's even getting called out by Rodgers for being a talkative pest.

Tramontana is out wide in old-base, but in new base-nickel, Brown is starting CB.

[texaspackerbacker]

Is Kevin King hurt? Or are they just being cautious with him? How about Josh Jackson? Why isn't he playing?

I was impressed by Tony Brown last year before he became widely noticed. He is good and probably getting better as a cover Corner. Redmond played a lot on Thursday; He didn't look very impressive to me. With Alexander and presumably Tramon also, and Hollman and maybe Sullivan in the picture too, that is eight Corners going for what? 4, 5, maybe 6 spots at most?

Did Josh Jones even play Thursday? He would seem to be as good as gone. I think we keep just three Safeties - Amos, Savage, and Greene, with a couple of the Corners capable of playing there also - maybe 9 DBs on the roster.

I think we keep six D Linemen - Clark, Lowery, M. Adams, Keke, Lancaster (who I thought looked awful against the Ravens), and Looney (who has looked good in both preseason games, and who was actually playing in the wedge or whatever it is called under current rules on kick returns).

That leaves ten spots for ILBs and OLBs - assuming we keep 25 on O and 25 on D - or maybe a couple extra players on offense. My guess would be Martinez, Bolton, Summers, and either Burks or Crawford - 4 ILBs, and the two Smiths, Gary, Fackrell, and maybe one more - Gilbert or Randy Ramsay (who I thought looked great against the Texans and fairly good against the Ravens), a total of 5 OLBs.

That would leave 26 on offense - plus the 3 Specialists. Two QBs (Boyle beating out Kizer), 4 RB/FBs - Jones, the two Williams, and Vitale (who the hell is this Tommy Bohanon who played the whole game Thursday? I doubt he can beat out Vitale), 7 WRs - Adams, MVS, St. Brown, Allison, Kumerow, Shepherd, and Lazard (Moore and Davis not making it), 4TEs - Graham, Tonyan, Lewis (who I wish they would get rid of), and Sternberger if he isn't on IR, and 9 O Linemen - Bakhtiari, Linsley, Turner, and about 6 pictures of mediocrity - Taylor, Jenkins, Bulaga, Patrick, McCarran, and one more unknown.

[pbmax]

Is Kevin King hurt? Or are they just being cautious with him? How about Josh Jackson? Why isn't he playing?

I was impressed by Tony Brown last year before he became widely noticed. He is good and probably getting better as a cover Corner. Redmond played a lot on Thursday; He didn't look very impressive to me. With Alexander and presumably Tramon also, and Hollman and maybe Sullivan in the picture too, that is eight Corners going for what? 4, 5, maybe 6 spots at most?

Did Josh Jones even play Thursday? He would seem to be as good as gone. I think we keep just three Safeties - Amos, Savage, and Greene, with a couple of the Corners capable of playing there also - maybe 9 DBs on the roster.

Jackson has been out on Non-Football Injury list all camp. He hurt his foot.

King is still out with hamstring, have not heard a timeline for that. Since its the Packers he could be back tomorrow or Week 10.

Jones missed a practice last week with an illness, not sure if he was in the game.

[Tony Oday]

Shep makes the team over oft injured Davis.

[RashanGary]

Shep makes the team over oft injured Davis.

Might be right. He’s crafty af. Doesn’t just catch the ball clean every time but catches it clean while moving forward. He judges it that well. And then sets up blocks and explodes through holes as well. He’s just a natural football player. As a punt returner he’d be really good. As a slot receiver maybe just average. Hard to know upside when he’s so short and slowish. But he sure passes the on the field eyeball test don’t he?

[Joemailman]

Might be right. He’s crafty af. Doesn’t just catch the ball clean every time but catches it clean while moving forward. He judges it that well. And then sets up blocks and explodes through holes as well. He’s just a natural football player. As a punt returner he’d be really good. As a slot receiver maybe just average. Hard to know upside when he’s so short and slowish. But he sure passes the on the field eyeball test don’t he?

This will be a tough call if Davis gets healthy. Although Shepherd looks solid, Davis' speed does make him a bigger threat to break a long one for a TD, both receiving and returning.

Davis could be trade bait for a team looking for a returner.

[pbmax]

This will be a tough call if Davis gets healthy. Although Shepherd looks solid, Davis' speed does make him a bigger threat to break a long one for a TD, both receiving and returning.

Davis could be trade bait for a team looking for a returner.

Joe, you need to go outside and get a couple of lungfuls of air. Stop editing the Yahoo auto draft list for awhile. :lol:

[run pMc]

First guess:

QB (3) Rodgers, Kizer, Boyle
RB (4) Jones, D. Williams, J. Williams, Vitale
WR (7) Adams, Allison, Kumerow, St. Brown, Valdes-Scantling, Sheppard, Lazard
TE (3) Graham, Lewis, Tonyan
OL (9) Linsley, Jenkins, McCray, Patrick, Taylor, Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Light, Turner

DL (6) M. Adams, Clark, Daniels, Keke, Lancaster, Lowry
LB (7) Bolton, Fackrell, Gary, Martinez, P. Smith, Z. Smith, Summers
CB (7) Alexander, Brown, Hollman, Jackson, Sullivan, King, T. Williams
S (4) Amos, Greene, Savage, Jones

ST (3) Crosby, Bradley, Scott

IR: Burks, Sternberger

PS:
Madison, Nijman, Looney, Redmond, J.Moore, Pankey, Wilkins

[Smidgeon]

Daniels is gone already.

[ThunderDan]

Daniels is gone already.

I guess it was a bad stab then.

[pbmax]

Gutes Update

@BillHuberSI
Gutekunst on Graham: "I think we might have escaped one"

Gutekunst likes progression of offense through camp. "I like where we're headed," he says.

Gutekunst on Kevin King "You're concerned ... I think he's getting close. He's obviously a very talented player."

@ByRyanWood
Gutekunst on #Packers TE Jimmy Graham, who left yesterday's practice because of finger injury: "I'm not going to talk about injuries, but I think we might've escaped one right there."

Gutekunst says #Packers CB Kevin King is "getting close" to return. How concerned is he for King come Week 1? "You're concerned, right, because he's not out there right now. ... Yeah, we'd like Kevin to be out there." Says team is trusting the medical staff on King.

Gutekunst did say he's not overly concerned if Aaron Rodgers doesn't play in preseason, even if that means not being able to play in this offense before Week 1 at Chicago. How significant is it to play in this offense? "Football is football. It's not like it's a different sport."

Gutekunst says it's pretty likely #Packers backup QB is on the current roster. That'd be DeShone Kizer and/or Tim Boyle, presumably.

Decision on starting QB in preseason is Matt LaFleur's, though there's communication w/ front office. DeShone Kizer started past 2 games, which means he's played stiffer comp than Tim Boyle. Gutekunst says he doesn't need to see Boyle v better comp. He's played quality opponents.

@mikespofford
From GM Gutekunst's presser:
-Team "escaped one" with Graham's finger injury
-Plan is for Rodgers to play Thurs.
-Backup QB "likely" to come from current roster. Doesn't need to see Boyle come into preseason games earlier.
-King "getting close" to returning to practice

[pbmax]

wrong thread

[RashanGary]

(2) Rodgers Kizer

(3) Jones Williams Williams

(1) Vitale

(4) Graham Lewis Tonyan Sternberger

(6) Adams MVS Allison Kumerow Davis EQ

(9) Bakh Bulaga Light De Beer Taylor Turner Patrick Jenkins Lindsley

(6) Clark Lowry Adams Lancaster keke Looney

(4) Gary Smith Smith Fackrell

(4) Martinez Bolton Summers Crawford (burks IR)

(7) Alexander King Williams Brown Hollman Jackson Sullivan

(4) Amos Savage Greene Redmond



(3) Crosby Scott Bradley

[RashanGary]

McCray or De Beer? Upside or right now polish.
Lewis or another fb/Rb or OL? Is someone high upside enough to keep
Redmond/Sullivan or an extra DL/LB of some sort?

I like my roster right now, but those are my most likely moving parts

[bobblehead]

QB (3) Rodgers, Kizer, Boyle
RB (4) Jones, D. Williams, J. Williams, Vitale
WR (6) Adams, Allison, T.Davis, Kumerow, St. Brown, Valdes-Scantling
TE (4) Graham, Lewis, Sternberger, Tonyan
OL (9) Linsley, Jenkins, Madison, Patrick, Taylor, Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Spriggs, Turner

DL (6) M. Adams, Clark, Daniels, Keke, Lancaster, Lowry
LB (8) Burks, Crawford, Fackrell, Gary, Martinez, P. Smith, Z. Smith, Summers
CB (7) Alexander, Brown, Hollman, Jackson, Jamerson, King, T. Williams
S (3) Amos, Greene, Savage

ST (3) Crosby, Bradley, Scott

Practice Squad:

DL James Looney
G/T Adam Pankey
T Yosh Nijman
T/G Alex Light
RB Tra Carson
S Tray Matthews
TE Pharoah McKever
WR Teo Redding
WR Allen Lazard
LB Kendall Donnerson

I guess I gotta play:
QB (2) Rodgers, Kizer, and fans everywhere lose their collective shit!!

RB (4) Jones, D. Williams, J. Williams, Vitale (definitely will have someone on PS...maybe a 2nd FB and another RB)

WR (6) Adams, Valdes-Scantling, Allison, Kumerow, St. Brown, Shepard -- I know they want Davis and Lazard, but where? Can they cut loose St. Brown AND Moore..doubtful. This position might end up the shocker position if Kumerow or St. Brown or both get released. Could keep 7, but then who gets cut elsewhere?

TE (4) Graham, Lewis, Sternberger, Tonyan Boring....

OL (9) Bak, Jenkins, Lindsey, Turner, Bulaga, Taylor, Light, Madison, McCray -- tough cuts here. I know they like Pankey and want Nimjin on PS. Patrick is a great team mate guy.

DL (5) M. Adams, Clark, Keke, Lancaster, Lowry -- with OLB playing DL could Lancaster lose his job? They NEED 5. And run stuffer Fadol Brown isn't a slouch either.

ILB (3) Martinez, Bolton, Summers (cut and resign deal with someone to DL Burks)

OLB (5) Preston, ZSmith, Fackrell, Gary, Gilbert -- with guys playing DL I think Gilbert sticks around.

CB (7) Alexander, Brown, Hollman, Jackson, King, T. Williams, Sullivan -- converted WR likely makes PS...Eno??

S (4) Amos, Greene, Savage, Jones (unless Jones situation has deteriorated completely then Campbell...I suspect might be why they brought him back) Tramon allows us to keep only 4. Or could they move on from Tramon and keep a youngin?

ST (3) Crosby, Bradley, Scott

[run pMc]

Daniels is gone already.

D'oh! Copied from original post and missed that one. Maybe Sternberger stays off IR. Doubt they carry 8 WRs or 10 OL, and they can get away with 5 DL because of Gary/Smiths.

[RashanGary]

(2) Rodgers Boyle

(3) Jones Williams Williams

(1) Vitale

(4) Graham Lewis Tonyan Sternberger

(6) Adams MVS Allison Kumerow Davis Lazard

(9) Bakh Bulaga Light McCray Taylor Turner Patrick Jenkins Lindsley

(6) Clark Lowry Adams Lancaster keke Looney

(4) Gary Smith Smith Fackrell

(4) Martinez Bolton Summers Crawford (burks IR)

(7) Alexander King Williams Brown Hollman Jackson Sullivan

(4) Amos Savage Greene Redmond



(3) Crosby Scott Bradley

[RashanGary]

We run the ball so much. Lazard can block and play ST units. That’s why i put him over the tiny Shep. Even tho Shep is a more dynamic pass catcher, Lazard is more complete.

I don’t love Sullivan but I can’t find someone I want more. Maybe Fadol Brown but he’s been injured forever.

[RashanGary]

Light, Patrick and Jenkins all quality backups. Maybe they think one of those young guys is promising enough to bump McCray in favor of development or maybe just go with 8 and one more somewhere else.

How long is Bolton out? EQ looks down for a while.

Gotta think we’ll pick up an ILB after cuts.

[pbmax]

Here is what you do at WR. You stuff Lazrard into the back of Shepard's uniform (while he is in it) and stay that way until you need to break out the package for Lazard in the second half. Then stick Shephard in the medical tent.

[bobblehead]

I guess I gotta play:
QB (2) Rodgers, Kizer, and fans everywhere lose their collective shit!!

RB (4) Jones, D. Williams, J. Williams, Vitale (definitely will have someone on PS...maybe a 2nd FB and another RB)

WR (6) Adams, Valdes-Scantling, Allison, Kumerow, St. Brown, Davis, Shepard -- I know they want Davis and Lazard, but where? Can they cut loose St. Brown AND Moore..doubtful. This position might end up the shocker position if Kumerow or St. Brown or both get released. Could keep 7, but then who gets cut elsewhere?

TE (4) Graham, Lewis, Sternberger, Tonyan Boring....

OL (9) Bak, Jenkins, Lindsey, Turner, Bulaga, Taylor, Light, Madison, McCray -- tough cuts here. I know they like Pankey and want Nimjin on PS. Patrick is a great team mate guy.

DL (5) M. Adams, Clark, Keke, Lancaster, Lowry -- with OLB playing DL could Lancaster lose his job? They NEED 5. And run stuffer Fadol Brown isn't a slouch either.

ILB (3) Martinez, Bolton, Summers, Crawford (cut and resign deal with someone to DL Burks)

OLB (5) Preston, ZSmith, Fackrell, Gary, Gilbert -- with guys playing DL I think Gilbert sticks around. Just can't get into Gilbert on the roster.

CB (7) Alexander, Brown, Hollman, Jackson, King, T. Williams, Sullivan -- converted WR likely makes PS...Eno??

S (4) Amos, Greene, Savage, Jones (unless Jones situation has deteriorated completely then Campbell...I suspect might be why they brought him back) Tramon allows us to keep only 4. Or could they move on from Tramon and keep a youngin?

ST (3) Crosby, Bradley, Scott

Amended for injury/other

[Joemailman]

QB (2) Rodgers, Boyle

RB (4) Jones, J. Williams, D. Williams, Vitale

WR (6) Adams, Allison, Davis, Kumerow, Lazard, Valdes-Scantling

TE (4) Graham, Lewis, Sternberger, Tonyan

OL (9) Linsley, Jenkins, McCray, Patrick, Taylor, Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Light, Turner

DL (5) M. Adams, Clark, Keke, Lancaster, Lowry

LB (9) Fackrell, Gary, P. Smith, Z. Smith, Gilbert, Crawford, Summers, Martinez, Waiver wire pickup

DB (11) Alexander, Brown, Hollman, Jackson, King, Sullivan, Williams, Amos, Campbell, Greene, Savage

ST (3) Crosby, Bradley, Scott

IR (3) Bolton, Burks, St. Brown

PS (10) F. Brown, Looney, Madison, Pankey, Roberts, Wilkins, Carson, Jamerson, de Beer, Nijman

[Smidgeon]

QB (2) Rodgers, Boyle

RB (4) Jones, J. Williams, D. Williams, Vitale

WR (6) Adams, Allison, Davis, Kumerow, Lazard, Valdes-Scantling

TE (4) Graham, Lewis, Sternberger, Tonyan

OL (9) Linsley, Jenkins, McCray, Patrick, Taylor, Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Light, Turner

DL (5) M. Adams, Clark, Keke, Lancaster, Lowry

LB (9) Fackrell, Gary, P. Smith, Z. Smith, Gilbert, Crawford, Summers, Martinez, Waiver wire pickup

DB (11) Alexander, Brown, Hollman, Jackson, King, Sullivan, Williams, Amos, Campbell, Greene, Savage

ST (3) Crosby, Bradley, Scott

IR (3) Bolton, Burks, St. Brown

PS (10) F. Brown, Looney, Madison, Pankey, Roberts, Wilkins, Carson, Jamerson, de Beer, Nijman

Maybe it's complete sacrilege, but I'm not certain about Kumerow. Not that he isn't making plays and isn't reliable, but at 27 years old, he's probably reached his ceiling already. I'm pretty sure he'll make the team, but I can't imagine parting with EQ or with Sheppard for an older journeyman WR no matter the preseason success.

In other news, I'd like to see Moore on the PS. No one will sign him, but if he can fix his hands, he'll be a bonafide NFL receiver. He gets natural separation when he plays. Long shot that he'll figure it out, but I want to give him one more year. He just doesn't deserve the active roster right now.

[Joemailman]

Maybe it's complete sacrilege, but I'm not certain about Kumerow. Not that he isn't making plays and isn't reliable, but at 27 years old, he's probably reached his ceiling already. I'm pretty sure he'll make the team, but I can't imagine parting with EQ or with Sheppard for an older journeyman WR no matter the preseason success.

In other news, I'd like to see Moore on the PS. No one will sign him, but if he can fix his hands, he'll be a bonafide NFL receiver. He gets natural separation when he plays. Long shot that he'll figure it out, but I want to give him one more year. He just doesn't deserve the active roster right now.

Kumerow isn't your typical journeyman. Prior to this year he's had a couple years where he has the team made but got hurt in preseason. He can help the team now. My mistake on Sheppard. My intention was to have him on the PS. Hoping his lack of measurables will dissuade teams from signing him. I think Moore may be a guy who needs a change of scenery. Just don't think he can turn it around here.

[texaspackerbacker]

natural separation? Is that really a thing? I'd like to keep Moore on the practice squad too, but I strongly suspect someone would snap him up if/when the Packers cut him.

As I wrote in the other thread, it's probably will turn out to be a good thing that St. Brown got hurt. We can probably keep him on IR this way - to return or not, assuming he's out 5-6 weeks. I haven't heard how long Bolton is out for, but the same could be true with him.

My post-preseason game 3 roster is as follows:

QB: Rodgers and Boyle - 2

RB: A. Jones, J. Williams, D. Williams, and Vitale - 4

WR: D. Adams, Valdez-Scantling, Allison, Kumerow, Davis, Shepherd, and Lazard - 7

TE: Graham, Tonyan, and either Lewis or Sternberger (if Sternberger is not IRed, then cut Lewis) - 3

OL: Bakhtiari, Linsley, Turner, L. Taylor, Bulaga, Jenkins, Patrick, Light, and Pankey - 9 (I guess I'm joining the 'Light Brigade')

DL: Clark, Lowry, M. Adams, Keke, and Looney - 5

ILB: Martinez, Summers, and Bolton (assuming Burks is on IR) - 3

OLB: Z. Smith, P. Smith, Fackrell, and Gary - 4

Corner: Alexander, T. Williams, Jackson, T. Brown, King, Hollman, and Sullivan - 7

Safety: Amos, Savage, and Greene - 3

Special Teams: Scott, Crosby, and Bradley - 3

That adds up to 50, leaving 3 vacancies from among Gilbert OLB, Crawford ILB, McCray OL, Campbell Safety, Lancaster DL, Carson RB.

PS: Wilkins, F. Brown, Sheldon, Ramsay, Jamerson, de Beer, Hall

[Joemailman]

Listening to MLF's PC today, sounds like he likes the way Tra Carson is playing more than D. Williams. Still, they won't expose Williams to the waiver wire. Carson probably to PS.

[mraynrand]

I'd let Crawford go. He looks lost out there.

[The Shadow]

If Boyle isn't the #2 the Packers are nuts. Kizer is not an NFL QB.

[Joemailman]

I'd let Crawford go. He looks lost out there.

Brady Sheldon has had 2 good games. Crawford though was a key special teams guy last year. This will be one of those last tough decisions.

[RashanGary]

If Boyle isn't the #2 the Packers are nuts. Kizer is not an NFL QB.

It’s shocking to see them continually invest in kizer when Boyle is out performing him.

[RashanGary]

Listening to MLF's PC today, sounds like he likes the way Tra Carson is playing more than D. Williams. Still, they won't expose Williams to the waiver wire. Carson probably to PS.

I saw that too. But my read on that was that it was mental. MLF is frustrated I think cuz he knows Dex has the most talent to be great if he’d do it the right way.

I’m excited the way MLF talks about the run game though. He’s truly invested in it.

[pbmax]

Listening to MLF's PC today, sounds like he likes the way Tra Carson is playing more than D. Williams. Still, they won't expose Williams to the waiver wire. Carson probably to PS.

Man, I would have bet money the opposite was true. But I spent the whole first half watching the O line and the only runs I noticed were Williams.

[pbmax]

I'd let Crawford go. He looks lost out there.

Whatever wist complains about with Packer ILB, I see with Crawford minus speed complaints.

If it wasn't pro football, you'd love to have him running around and disrupting three things at once. But he gets out of position and then misses the tackle.

Can he cover? Because maybe he could make it as the dime LB?

[pbmax]

If Boyle isn't the #2 the Packers are nuts. Kizer is not an NFL QB.

Agreed. But I'd still think its possible they keep the development guy around depending on what M4 and Gute see. Coaches get a little nutty thinking everything can be fixed.

[Bretsky]

Agreed. But I'd still think its possible they keep the development guy around depending on what M4 and Gute see. Coaches get a little nutty thinking everything can be fixed.


Gutey traded for this pos

GM's don't like cutting guys they trade for

But in Gootie we trust...........or..........................

[mraynrand]

Agreed. But I'd still think its possible they keep the development guy around depending on what M4 and Gute see. Coaches get a little nutty thinking everything can be fixed.

Boyle doesn’t have the same hesitation that Kizer has. That just kills Kizer. He missed Davis free on a deliberate crossing pattern for example. All he had to do was three steps set and throw. But he held it and got sacked when the RB missed his block. A decent QB can save marginal blocking.

Boyle has the distinction of never being in a real game. What does he do when the exotics get thrown at him?

[pbmax]

Gutey traded for this pos

GM's don't like cutting guys they trade for

But in Gootie we trust...........or..........................

Maybe. But M3 might have pushed that harder than the GM alone. McCarthy has to be wondering what he was going to do if Rodgers got hurt again.

[run pMc]

I don't think Kizer has pro level poise. It makes me wonder if that season in CLE really did a number on his head, or if he's always been that skittish in the pocket. Sometimes he looks really good, but I think that's if the play goes according to plan. He's definitely athletic and has a strong arm, but he needs a lot of development.
Boyle does too, obviously, but I think Boyle doesn't panic as quickly in the pocket and his arm seems good enough...he needs a lot of work to be a pro. Who would you take as your #2 this year: Boyle, Kizer, or Josh McCann? I don't know how GB would survive a 4 game stretch with any of them starting, but I'd lean toward McCann. I have zero faith in Kizer, and Boyle isn't ready.

[Joemailman]

I don't think Kizer has pro level poise. It makes me wonder if that season in CLE really did a number on his head, or if he's always been that skittish in the pocket. Sometimes he looks really good, but I think that's if the play goes according to plan. He's definitely athletic and has a strong arm, but he needs a lot of development.
Boyle does too, obviously, but I think Boyle doesn't panic as quickly in the pocket and his arm seems good enough...he needs a lot of work to be a pro. Who would you take as your #2 this year: Boyle, Kizer, or Josh McCann? I don't know how GB would survive a 4 game stretch with any of them starting, but I'd lean toward McCann. I have zero faith in Kizer, and Boyle isn't ready.

Even at Notre Dame, Kizer was known to be talented but inconsistent. He left Notre Dame after his junior year which was a mistake. Then Cleveland drafted him and made him their starter, the latter of which was an even bigger mistake. Don't know if he would have developed with better career decisions, but I doubt he's salvageable now.

[RashanGary]

(2) Rodgers Boyle

(3) Jones Williams Williams

(1) Vitale

(4) Graham Lewis Tonyan Sternberger

(6) Adams MVS Allison Kumerow Davis Lazard (EQ IR)

(9) Bakh Bulaga Light Taylor Turner Patrick Jenkins Lindsley (Madison makes it but doesn’t play)

(6) Clark Lowry Adams Lancaster keke Looney

(4) Gary Smith Smith Fackrell

(4) Martinez Summers Crawford (Someone not on roster) (burks IR) (Bolton IR)

(7) Alexander King Williams Brown Hollman Jackson Sullivan

(4) Amos Savage Greene Redmond



(3) Crosby Scott Bradley

Some of my more questionable players.

Madison. Stenavich says he’s a guy who needs some development but down the road a guy they’ll be really happy they have. Redshirt year.

Lazard. Blocks, plays all special teams well. Catches. Smart. Big with upside. Shep can’t play STs at all cuz we have Davis. He can’t block. Just not talented enough to be a one dimensional player.

Pack would love an excuse to put Bolton on IR. They got it. Now they need someone on cut downs to help fill the void till Burks or Bolton comes back.

Sullivan and Redmond have just played well so they earned it.

[Joemailman]

Cut downs will be tough because both Burks and ESB are guys they might want to put in IR for reinstatement. That means they will have to be a part of the original 53 on cut down day. So for instance if they want to put ESB on IR and keep Lazard, they will have to initially cut Lazard, put ESB on IR and then sign Lazard.

[Joemailman]

Rob Demovsky

@RobDemovsky
The Packers released RB Darrin Hall, who had been claimed off waivers from the Bengals on July 27. GM Brian Gutekunst has been working the phones looking for another back in the trade market, according to league sources. http://espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-41074137-4

They're clearly not comfortable going into the season with either Dexter Williams or Tra Carson as their #3 RB.

[pbmax]

They're clearly not comfortable going into the season with either Dexter Williams or Tra Carson as their #3 RB.

Interesting. I thought the running game looked far better than Game 1 even with more backups. They could probably get an old vet at this point off FA, but its going to cost them to get a youngster off a roster before cuts.

[esoxx]

Interesting. I thought the running game looked far better than Game 1 even with more backups. They could probably get an old vet at this point off FA, but its going to cost them to get a youngster off a roster before cuts.

Yeah, just pick up a vet after cut downs. If Packers are even slightly entertaining the idea of giving up a pick to get a youngster, then I'll know Gute is not up to the job.

3rd tailback "concerns" with Rodgers as your QB means we'll survive somehow.

[Joemailman]

Yeah, just pick up a vet after cut downs. If Packers are even slightly entertaining the idea of giving up a pick to get a youngster, then I'll know Gute is not up to the job.

3rd tailback "concerns" with Rodgers as your QB means we'll survive somehow.

3rd tailback concerns become a bigger concern when your #1 and #2 tailbacks have missed much of training camp and all of the preseason with injuries.

[esoxx]

3rd tailback concerns become a bigger concern when your #1 and #2 tailbacks have missed much of training camp and all of the preseason with injuries.

So would you trade a draft pick though? Various players have been dinged and don't play preseason games because, you know, it's preseason.

[texaspackerbacker]

Somebody said - like it's gospel - the Packers aren't satisfied with Dexter Williams and Tra Carson as possible 3rd string RBs. I find that very hard to believe. Whoever the 3rd RB is will get very little regular game snaps, and both of these guys have been at very least, not horrible in preseason. I really can't see picking up a worn out old RB over them much less giving up a draft pick to do so. If there is any position where lack of experience isn't a problem, RB is it.

[mraynrand]

So would you trade a draft pick though? Various players have been dinged and don't play preseason games because, you know, it's preseason.

Maybe they’ll have all the starters rest the whole regular season too, to keep em healthy for the playoffs.

[Joemailman]

Somebody said - like it's gospel - the Packers aren't satisfied with Dexter Williams and Tra Carson as possible 3rd string RBs. I find that very hard to believe. Whoever the 3rd RB is will get very little regular game snaps, and both of these guys have been at very least, not horrible in preseason. I really can't see picking up a worn out old RB over them much less giving up a draft pick to do so. If there is any position where lack of experience isn't a problem, RB is it.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, it wouldn't be a big deal if Jones and J. Williams could be counted on physically. But they are hurt a lot. Vitale is hurt also. MLF has made clear his frustrations with D. Williams' lack of consistency, while acknowledging his talent. Carson has been more consistent, but is less talented. I don't know if Gutey will make a move or not. Might depend on the health of Jones and D.Williams when we get to next weekend.

[Joemailman]

The Green Bay Packers are finally adding reinforcements at inside linebacker. According to Field Yates of ESPN, the team claimed linebacker Nicholas Grigsy off of waivers from the Baltimore Ravens.

Grigsby, 27, was released by the Ravens on Friday. The former undrafted free agent out of Ohio has played in 23 regular season games, including nine with the New England Patriots and three with the Detroit Lions last season.

The 6-2, 230-pound linebacker has 15 career tackles.

The Packers are decimated at inside linebacker. Oren Burks is dealing with a pectoral muscle injury, while rookie Curtis Bolton departed last Thursday night’s game against the Oakland Raiders with a knee injury..

[RashanGary]

(2) Rodgers Boyle

(3) Jones Williams Williams

(1) Vitale

(4) Graham Lewis Tonyan Sternberger

(6) Adams MVS Allison Kumerow Davis Lazard (EQ IR)

(9) Bakh Bulaga Light Taylor Turner Patrick Jenkins Lindsley (Madison makes it but doesn’t play)

(6) Clark Lowry Adams Lancaster keke Looney

(4) Gary Smith Smith Fackrell

(4) Martinez Summers Crawford (Someone not on roster) (burks IR) (Bolton IR)

(7) Alexander King Williams Brown Hollman Jackson Sullivan

(4) Amos Savage Greene Redmond



(3) Crosby Scott Bradley

Some of my more questionable players.

Madison. Stenavich says he’s a guy who needs some development but down the road a guy they’ll be really happy they have. Redshirt year.

Lazard. Blocks, plays all special teams well. Catches. Smart. Big with upside. Shep can’t play STs at all cuz we have Davis. He can’t block. Just not talented enough to be a one dimensional player.

Pack would love an excuse to put Bolton on IR. They got it. Now they need someone on cut downs to help fill the void till Burks or Bolton comes back.

Sullivan and Redmond have just played well so they earned it.


I had 50 of the 53. Missed on Burks, Shep and Fadol Brown.

[Bretsky]

L Mccoy released from Bufffalo ? hmmmm

[Joemailman]

L Mccoy released from Bufffalo ? hmmmm

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/08/four-teams-interested-in-lesean-mccoy


The Chiefs are going to face some competition if they plan on pursuing LeSean McCoy. McCoy was cut by the Bills earlier this morning, and we heard soon after that Kansas City had some interest.

The Chargers, Eagles, and Patriots are also showing strong early interest in McCoy, sources told Ian Rapoport of NFL Network (Twitter link). As Rapoport points out, the Chargers are interested because of the ongoing Melvin Gordon holdout. Just a few hours ago, it was reported that the Chargers had given Gordon permission to seek a trade. As of right now, Los Angeles is slated to roll with youngsters Austin Ekeler and Justin Jackson if Gordon doesn’t report for the regular season.

Chiefs or Chargers would make the most sense.

[Joemailman]

McCoy signs with Chiefs.

[pbmax]

McCoy signs with Chiefs.

@AdamSchefter
Former Bills’ RB LeSean McCoy is reuniting with Chiefs HC Andy Reid, per source. McCoy getting a one-year, $4 million deal that includes $3 million guaranteed from the Chiefs.

[Joemailman]

Who on Packers 53 is on the bubble? I'm thinking Fadol Brown if they find a LB they like.