Official 2019 Training Camp Thread

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SPRIGGS waived injured to pick up running back because 3 of 4 RBs are injured.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!


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Jace Kylo Finn Sternberger (new Star Wars character and Packer TE) got his clock cleaned by a young Titans linebacker. Guess who it was?

Video: https://twitter.com/Peter_Bukowski/status/1158944346604998656

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Ah, Jace had already responded, this is a screen shot of his instagram response to Lonnie Johnson. I like the young lad already.

https://twitter.com/SeedsofJake/status/1158895260677877760/photo/1

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBU5GCiWkAAir-q?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[RashanGary]

Justin, do they run any screens?

Honestly, not many. A ton of dump offs tho. AR throws a ton of dump offs.

[Radagast]

Most of us can list the most probable starters on the Packers Offense and Defense. That is essentially 22 players. With (P) Scott and (K) Crosby and (LS) Bradley that's 25 players. Rodgers backup Kizer makes it 26 players. I see Jamaal Williams (RB) and Dan Vitale (FB) also being on the full roster and that makes it now 28 safe players. Marcedes Lewis (TE), Rashan Gary (ROLB), and Tyler Lancaster (NT) are most likely safe along with Kyler Fackrell (LOLB). that makes a total of 32 players. Trevor Davis looks fairly safe as the Punt/Kick returner and he makes the total 33 players.

With 90 players in TC competing to fill 53 slots, and 33 players are most likely "safe", that would leave 57 players fighting for the remaining 20 slots.

Don't tell me that the Preseason Games are meaningless. Every play, by every player at every position could mean the difference in making the Packer's Special Teams or Practice Squad. It helps determine who will be the backups for OL and DL positions as well as backups for WR, RB, and CB positions.

What players have a better chance of making the final roster and who are in TC just to push the others to work harder?


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[RashanGary]

Don't tell me that the Preseason Games are meaningless. Every play, by every player at every position could mean the difference in making the Packer's Special Teams or Practice Squad. It helps determine who will be the backups for OL and DL positions as well as backups for WR, RB, and CB positions.
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I agree. I enjoy TC and preseason too. I like seeing the roster come together. Surprises every year.

[mraynrand]

I agree. I enjoy TC and preseason too. I like seeing the roster come together. Surprises every year.

I always watch closely into the fourth quarters of preseason games because I want to know the guys starting for the Packers in November.

[RashanGary]

I always watch closely into the fourth quarters of preseason games because I want to know the guys starting for the Packers in November.

Exactly. It’s a fun time. I’m lucky to get to go to practices. It’s very similar. The Shepherd guy, WR, is solid.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Exactly. It’s a fun time. I’m lucky to get to go to practices. It’s very similar. The Shepherd guy, WR, is solid.

Rand was reeking sarcasm about watching the 4th quarter of the exhibition games, I'm sure.

In the next CBA, I hope they replace 2 preseason games with 2 regular season games for a 20-games season.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Most of us can list the most probable starters on the Packers Offense and Defense. That is essentially 22 players. With (P) Scott and (K) Crosby and (LS) Bradley that's 25 players. Rodgers backup Kizer makes it 26 players. I see Jamaal Williams (RB) and Dan Vitale (FB) also being on the full roster and that makes it now 28 safe players. Marcedes Lewis (TE), Rashan Gary (ROLB), and Tyler Lancaster (NT) are most likely safe along with Kyler Fackrell (LOLB). that makes a total of 32 players. Trevor Davis looks fairly safe as the Punt/Kick returner and he makes the total 33 players.

With 90 players in TC competing to fill 53 slots, and 33 players are most likely "safe", that would leave 57 players fighting for the remaining 20 slots.

Don't tell me that the Preseason Games are meaningless. Every play, by every player at every position could mean the difference in making the Packer's Special Teams or Practice Squad. It helps determine who will be the backups for OL and DL positions as well as backups for WR, RB, and CB positions.

What players have a better chance of making the final roster and who are in TC just to push the others to work harder?


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Hopefully safety Mike Tyson makes the team. Packers could use a little knockout toughness.

[mraynrand]

Rand was reeking sarcasm about watching the 4th quarter of the exhibition games, I'm sure.

In the next CBA, I hope they replace 2 preseason games with 2 regular season games for a 20-games season.

The sarcasm was directed at the constant injuries. But I still watch all the games; there are some interesting lower/bottom of the roster decisions that are made based on the performances. Given the abuse to bodies that takes place, I'm in favor of going back to a 14 game schedule with 2 preseason games. Or 1 preseason game and a couple of byes. $$$$$ says it will never happen.

[Radagast]

It is easy to find Depth Charts for NFL Teams. They show the Offense and Defensive squads and their complete player depth. In addition the Kickers, Punters, Long Snappers, and K/P Return specialist are listed. This is fine, but who manned the field on Punts/Kickoffs/and such last season and who should return because of their special teams play this season? Who was GB's "Gunner" last season and is he still around?

I hope to see STs play greatly improve this season and with a few returns for TDs too. Any news from TC on the ST's front? Will Crosby return or is he being beat out this year by a younger player? Who is likely to be GB's "Gunner" this season?

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[RashanGary]

Every team goes through 60+ players in a season. It takes that to win a SB. The unexpected high quality players like Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, David Bakhtiari, MVS, Lane Taylor, Tyler Lancaster add up. I like watching for them.

And obviously one highlight play doesn’t mean shit, but I’ll watch every play of one guy who’s showing up at practice and see how consistent he looks in the games. I’ll combine that with unsolicited praise (example, when asked an open ended question like, “who stood out?”) Lafleur will go out of his way to praise guys like Turner and Trevor Davis and Alex Light. It’s different than if a coach is asked about a specific player and they have to say something decent to the camera.

Actions speak louder than words too. A coach can go out of his way to say, “montravius adams is the most improved player on defense” That is high unsolicited praise. But cutting Daniels says more. Same with cutting Spriggs. I intend to watch Alex Light closely. I think he might be the RT of the future.

There is all sorts of information, and for me, sorting through it and finding truth within the loads of bullshit is fun. It’s a dork ass thing to enjoy, but I do.

On a completely different note, I’m excited to see Rashan Gary! I have a warm spot in my heart for vicious, violent, injury causing defense.

[Radagast]

I once viewed a Documentary called,"4th and Goal". It followed the football lives of 4 young men and from High School to College and to Pro Football. It showed how hard each worked and their dedication as football players. How the support of their families was very important. The sacrifices they made to be the best they could be. Throughout the film it was emphasised just how few ever make it into the NFL out of all the College players to choose from each year. Of the 4 young men in the video, only one made it to the NFL and he won a SB playing CB for the Patriots.

NFL football may well be the toughest sport of all to get to play on the national level. It takes speed, strength, mental toughness, agility, and great self discipline to reach an NFL roster. As fans we criticise players who fail to live up to expectations, I say that when you have to face the best of the best each week and hold off rookies vying for your job too, then anyone that makes it to an NFL TC HAS earned my respect.

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Rand was reeking sarcasm about watching the 4th quarter of the exhibition games, I'm sure.

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I think its a case of joking but not by much.

[call_me_ishmael]

Tonight we start the quest to the super bowl. I am very bullish on the squad this year. Super bowl or bust baby, what it do!!

[swede]

I always watch closely into the fourth quarters of preseason games because I want to know the guys starting for the Packers in November.

Seriously, there are a lot of fans who would like to watch the 4th quarter of a pre-season game for the reason you half- jestingly suggest. Unfortunately this is when they tend to bring out some Henry Cheesely, Lambeau Field Hospitality Coordinator, for a riveting on-screen interview while the game plays in the background—grrr

It’s the football television production version of having your extended family over on game day, with relatives telling you about their hip replacement while you are trying to see if the defense is in cover one or cover two.

[Radagast]

By now most fully realise that preseason "games" are really an extension of practice. A schrimage with another team puts players in a more competitive situation and gives the Coaches a chance to evaluate players under real game conditions. Who actually wins is secondary to play execution, footwork, blocking, route running, pass coverage, etc.

The tickets sold do provide revenue, but it's the TV revenue that tops the rest. Empty seats, while disappointing for some teams, is soothed by those TV revenues.

We certainly want to see our team win all their games, but learning what needs fixing and who did/did not show well defending the run or blocking in the R.Offensive Guard position on passing plays is the more immediate concern. Who played well on Special Teams or screwed up in pass coverage and gave up a big gain or score.

Believing that preseason games are real games is folly and correcting that folly will make it easier to view the preseason exhibition practice schrimages for what they are.


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[ThunderDan]

The tickets sold do provide revenue, but it's the TV revenue that tops the rest. Empty seats, while disappointing for some teams, is soothed by those TV revenues.


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You do know that most teams sell out all of their games right??? There are the handful you hear about that can't sell out but the vast majority do. The people might not go to the game but the ticket is sold.

[mraynrand]

Believing that preseason games are real games is folly and correcting that folly ...

Not one person here, or anyone who knows even the minimum about the game believes that preseason games are 'real' games. There is no 'folly' to correct. Unless you want to 'correct' fans under the age of 6.

[SudsMcBucky]

By now most fully realise that preseason "games" are really an extension of practice. A schrimage with another team puts players in a more competitive situation and gives the Coaches a chance to evaluate players under real game conditions. Who actually wins is secondary to play execution, footwork, blocking, route running, pass coverage, etc.


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So, who actually wins is NOT secondary, as there are at least 5 other more important things. :-)

[mraynrand]

Seriously, there are a lot of fans who would like to watch the 4th quarter of a pre-season game for the reason you half- jestingly suggest. Unfortunately this is when they tend to bring out some Henry Cheesely, Lambeau Field Hospitality Coordinator, for a riveting on-screen interview while the game plays in the background—grrr

It wasn't really jest - just angry cynicism. Coupla years back, I say to the wife: "See that Lenzy Pipkins? He'll be starting sometime this season when everyone else is hurt, so keep your eye on him." Sure enough. I said the same about Marshmallow Outhouse and the response was "God forbid!" God didn't listen.

[mraynrand]

So, who actually wins is NOT secondary, as there are at least 5 other more important things. :-)

lol

[Radagast]

So, who actually wins is NOT secondary, as there are at least 5 other more important things. :-)

You failed to list your 5 other more important things. Winning regular season/playoff/championship games are important, but preseason practice scrimmages are only important as a player evaluation/practice session.

[mraynrand]

You failed to list your 5 other more important things.

??

You mean like "Who actually wins is secondary to play execution, footwork, blocking, route running, pass coverage, etc."

[pbmax]

Seriously, there are a lot of fans who would like to watch the 4th quarter of a pre-season game for the reason you half- jestingly suggest. Unfortunately this is when they tend to bring out some Henry Cheesely, Lambeau Field Hospitality Coordinator, for a riveting on-screen interview while the game plays in the background—grrr

It’s the football television production version of having your extended family over on game day, with relatives telling you about their hip replacement while you are trying to see if the defense is in cover one or cover two.

There are a lot of favors repaid during those broadcasts, personal and business. Guarantee they interview Tramontana about being old and Dr. Zaius about being in Green Bay.

[SudsMcBucky]

You failed to list your 5 other more important things. Winning regular season/playoff/championship games are important, but preseason practice scrimmages are only important as a player evaluation/practice session.

You had already listed 5 things for us.

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Wes Hodkiewicz
@WesHod
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13h
A lot to unpack here:

-Veteran Ibraheim Campbell is back. Played well in 3 games last year before knee injury.

-Corey Grant, who signed 2 weeks ago, has been released.

-#Packers also waive former 7th-round pick Kendall Donnerson injured. Finished last year on the 53.

[RashanGary]

The Mike Daniels cut is really starting to look like it’s going to be relatively painless. Keke played well. And then his interview after, holy shit, that guy talking about intricacies of formations and tells and what, not and about how he played ok but needs to be better. Wow, impressive young dude.

Looney also played well.

We might have six guys who can play right now. Obviously only one star but 5 other guys who can rotate in and out and each bring something.

[RashanGary]

Our DL and OL depth are looking impressive. Best preseason ol performance I can remember. Light and De Beer are the two best surprises in camp for me so far.

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@BillHuberSI

As @RobDemovsky reported, it's potentially a torn pec for Oren Burks. If the prognosis holds up, he could miss rest of the season. Other than Martinez, rest of ILB depth chart has 1 snap of defensive experience.

[wist43]

@BillHuberSI

As @RobDemovsky reported, it's potentially a torn pec for Oren Burks. If the prognosis holds up, he could miss rest of the season. Other than Martinez, rest of ILB depth chart has 1 snap of defensive experience.

I like Summers better than Burks by a lot... Summers looked a little lost from what I saw, but I haven't seen anything but clips.

Will watch the game when i get home.

[Bretsky]

I like Summers better than Burks by a lot... Summers looked a little lost from what I saw, but I haven't seen anything but clips.

Will watch the game when i get home.


This seems unwistlike. You normally don't lean toward the white slow LB who uses his smarts to make plays :))

He made plays; but man he looked silly when in space and having to make a play on an athlete.

[Joemailman]

This seems unwistlike. You normally don't lean toward the white slow LB who uses his smarts to make plays :))

He made plays; but man he looked silly when in space and having to make a play on an athlete.

The thing is he's not slow. Ran a 4.51 40 which is excellent for a LB. The speed doesn't translate to coverage ability though as change of direction is a problem. Not sure what his role will be in this defense.

[wist43]

This seems unwistlike. You normally don't lean toward the white slow LB who uses his smarts to make plays :))

He made plays; but man he looked silly when in space and having to make a play on an athlete.

As Joe said, speed is there... I think he has good enough instincts to develop. I think his ceiling is higher than Martinez. Then again, I see Martinez as an avg player.

[mraynrand]

As Joe said, speed is there... I think he has good enough instincts to develop. I think his ceiling is higher than Martinez. Then again, I see Martinez as an avg player.

Yep. Early in the game, he took a couple bad steps, but closed fast on the scrambling QB. His speed seems fine, he just needs more time. I don't see teams exploiting him like they did Burks at NE. But he'll get burned early if he has to play.

[Joemailman]

Packers have released WR Jawill Davis. Down to 88 players. I'd expect a LB signing soon.

[SMBASS]

LaFleur says the Packers had 24 missed tackles that gave the Texans an extra 164 yards on Thursday.

— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) August 10, 2019

We do what we do... Angry bald man can't be very pleased with that stat.

[texaspackerbacker]

I was pleased to read today that they Bolton working with the first string. As good as Summers looked, I thought Bolton looked even better.

Anybody know how long it takes a torn pec to heal? Season ending or not? I Googled it, and it doesn't look good - if it really is torn, 6 months to get back to activity, a year to get back to full strength.

[pbmax]

Packers have released WR Jawill Davis. Down to 88 players. I'd expect a LB signing soon.

Jim Owczarski
@JimOwczarski
Don't forget Greg Roberts, fellow PUPper.

@BillHuberSI
Roster is at 88, not counting Ibraheim Campbell, who is on PUP.

[Joemailman]

Jim Owczarski
@JimOwczarski
Don't forget Greg Roberts, fellow PUPper.

@BillHuberSI
Roster is at 88, not counting Ibraheim Campbell, who is on PUP.

It would be TT's way to replace an injured starter with a UDFA. Gutey might be more inclined to try to find someone who has played in the NFL, although it may be hard to do right now with all teams having 90 man rosters.

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@JimOwczarski
Kingsley Keke (quad bruise) is back, but Jamaal Williams & Kevin King (hamstrings) and Trevor Davis (stinger) remain out for the #Packers

@JimOwczarski
#Packers TE Evan Baylis didn’t participate in much of the team work as practice went on yesterday and he is not in pads today.

@JimOwczarski
Bryan Bulaga (rest) is in pads today for the #Packers

@JimOwczarski
Not surprisingly, neither is FB Danny Vitale (calf). #Packers

@JimOwczarski
#Packers WR Equanimeous St. Brown also didn’t finish out in team drills yesterday and is not on the field as walkthrough begins...

@JimOwczarski
And like magic, he runs out to join the team for stretch in pads. Power of Twitter.

[Joemailman]

I was pleased to read today that they Bolton working with the first string. As good as Summers looked, I thought Bolton looked even better.

Anybody know how long it takes a torn pec to heal? Season ending or not? I Googled it, and it doesn't look good - if it really is torn, 6 months to get back to activity, a year to get back to full strength.

Yeah, 6 to 9 months if it requires surgery. Could be just weeks though if just a strain.

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@JimOwczarski
Kingsley Keke (quad bruise) is back, but Jamaal Williams & Kevin King (hamstrings) and Trevor Davis (stinger) remain out for the #Packers

@JimOwczarski
#Packers TE Evan Baylis didn’t participate in much of the team work as practice went on yesterday and he is not in pads today.

@JimOwczarski
Bryan Bulaga (rest) is in pads today for the #Packers

@JimOwczarski
Not surprisingly, neither is FB Danny Vitale (calf). #Packers

@JimOwczarski
#Packers WR Equanimeous St. Brown also didn’t finish out in team drills yesterday and is not on the field as walkthrough begins...

@JimOwczarski
And like magic, he runs out to join the team for stretch in pads. Power of Twitter.

@JimOwczarski
Not in pads for the #Packers today:
PUP: Greg Roberts, Ibraheim Campbell
• Dannny Vitale, Fadol Brown (calf)
• Jamaal Williams, Kevin King (hamstring)
• Trevor Davis (stinger)
• Jace Sternberger (concussion/jaw)
• Malcolm Johnson (groin)
• Oren Burks (chest)
• Evan Baylis

[Cheesehead Craig]

@BillHuberSI

As @RobDemovsky reported, it's potentially a torn pec for Oren Burks.

So Burks has a boob.

[texaspackerbacker]

@JimOwczarski
Kingsley Keke (quad bruise) is back, but Jamaal Williams & Kevin King (hamstrings) and Trevor Davis (stinger) remain out for the #Packers

@JimOwczarski
#Packers TE Evan Baylis didn’t participate in much of the team work as practice went on yesterday and he is not in pads today.

@JimOwczarski
Bryan Bulaga (rest) is in pads today for the #Packers

@JimOwczarski
Not surprisingly, neither is FB Danny Vitale (calf). #Packers

@JimOwczarski
#Packers WR Equanimeous St. Brown also didn’t finish out in team drills yesterday and is not on the field as walkthrough begins...

@JimOwczarski
And like magic, he runs out to join the team for stretch in pads. Power of Twitter.

St. Brown probably had to take a shit hahahahahaha.

I wonder if they will be scanning the cut lists of other teams with the idea of maybe replacing Jamal Williams. He's been ok - just ok - for the Packers. We have a couple of speed backs, and we need one real pounder. I wouldn't be surprised if there are better ones than J. Williams available.

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@jasonjwilde
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2h
#Packers top dime defense:


23 38 55 90 36 28
91 52
50

26 31

Of note:
• 28 for 20 (hamstring)
• 36 still dime S/LB hybrid
• Could 42’s injury (torn pec, per @RobDemovsky) lead to more dime?


@jasonjwilde
#Packers top “11” offense:


17 69 65 63 77 75 80 16
81 12

27

Of note:
• 75 (rest) back at RT; 77 back at RG.
• 16 getting lots of reps with the 1s — he just caught a TD in red zone from 12 — but lots of WRs rolling through.

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@JimOwczarski
#Packers DB Chandon Sullivan (@showtimesully10) another INT - got Tim Boyle on a third down throw. He’s been on the ball all camp.

Curtis Bolton was slow to get up after last red zone play. #Packers

Rodgers had a lot of success in the red zone. Finds Allison, Adams, Kumerow and Graham for TDs and even runs one in himself. 5 TDs on 7 plays.

#Packers 1st team red zone on one - best look of camp thus far. 4 TDs on the four passes thus far...

Kenny Clark is back on the field.
Kenny Clark is now headed inside for the #Packers
Kenny Clark was on his knees for a bit & and is getting some attention. #Packers

Annnddd...St. Brown is back out of practice with a knee issue.

Same can be said for RB Aaron Jones in 11s

Ah, forgot:
• Kabion Ento (hamstring)
So 12 #Packers out today.

[pbmax]

By all means, let's cut Mason Crosby.

@AdamSchefter
At least four teams have called the Ravens to inquire about trading for kicker Kaare Vedvik, with at least two of those calls coming from NFC North teams, per a league source. Ravens don’t have to do anything in the short term, but will deal the kicker at some point this summer.

[RashanGary]

As Joe said, speed is there... I think he has good enough instincts to develop. I think his ceiling is higher than Martinez. Then again, I see Martinez as an avg player.

Curious what you see in summers and Bolton. Let us know.

[Joemailman]

I didn't know Kumerow had this hashtag:

https://twitter.com/hashtag/WhitewaterJesus?src=hashtag_click

[Joemailman]

LaFleur said he thought J'mon Moore had his best practice of the year today,while acknowledging his game against the Texans wasn't good. Moore is probably the 2nd or 3rd most talented WR on this team if he could just put it together consistently. Time is running out though.

[Joemailman]

Green Bay Packers
@packers
#Packers have claimed CB Derrick Jones off of waivers from the New York Jets

[Rutnstrut]

LaFleur said he thought J'mon Moore had his best practice of the year today,while acknowledging his game against the Texans wasn't good. Moore is probably the 2nd or 3rd most talented WR on this team if he could just put it together consistently. Time is running out though.



Janis was talented as well and he's selling tires now. I wonder what Moore has to fall back on? Because he'll need an alternate career.

[wist43]

Curious what you see in summers and Bolton. Let us know.

I'm gonna try to watch the game over the next 2 days... tried to watch a little today, but the kids were all over me - been on the road, and they tend to smother me for attention the 1st day or two I'm back.

I liked Summers a lot in college. His speed a good instincts showed up on tape at that level.

[RashanGary]

Bolton intrigues me. he’s a little smallish at 225 lbs but runs 4.58 and has a reputation for being good in coverage. Might be a good fit next to Martinez.

[mraynrand]

Janis was talented as well and he's selling tires now. I wonder what Moore has to fall back on? Because he'll need an alternate career.

Janis was athletic, that’s about all I’ll give him.

[pbmax]

Janis was athletic, that’s about all I’ll give him.

He had pretty good hands. But he was just playing catch out there. Didn't come naturally to him to run in a structured offense. Like a RB always taking off to the nearest available hole regardless of play call or blocking.

[pbmax]

https://mavensports.io/packers/news/kumerow-shepherd-push-their-way-into-first-team-consideration-fl8Ac8osxkmXa0dHmfIZPA/


To be sure, the quiet camps of MVS and Allison are partly due to circumstance. As was the case last regular season, Aaron Rodgers throws the ball early and often to Adams. Because of that, there are simply fewer targets to go around. MVS had a quietly good day on Saturday, with a back-shoulder catch from Rodgers and a nice run-after-catch on a quick pass. Kumerow and Shepherd, however, have had good days every day. Regardless of the competition, they routinely get open and catch the ball.

They got the 1st team reps yesterday I believe. This is Bil Huber's site until he moves to SI full time. CBS closed down the old Packer Report operation.

[Joemailman]

The Green Bay Packers were among three others teams that unsuccessfully attempted to trade for former Baltimore Ravens kicker Kaare Vedvik, who ended up going to the Minnesota Vikings in exchange for a fifth-round draft pick, according to Chris Tomasson of the St. Paul Pioneer Press.

The Chicago Bears and New York Jets were also interested.

Chris Tomasson
@christomasson
In addition to the #Vikings, the teams I've been told that wanted to trade for kicker-punter Kaare Vedvik were Chicago, Green Bay and the New York Jets.



Not sure I'm buying it.

[pbmax]

Not sure I'm buying it.

Especially since Schefter said 2 NFC North teams and we know it was Vikings and Bears at minimum. Looks like CYA.

[wist43]

Curious what you see in summers and Bolton. Let us know.

Only got thru the 1st quarter, and my 7 year old erased it before I could watch the rest...

I did skim thru some of it though.

Thought Bolton took some bad angles, and a couple of times took blockers on the wrong shoulder.

Bolton needs a lot of reps. Practice squad most likely.

[pbmax]

Tackling you say?

Dave Wilson @dwil
Dartmouth players don’t tackle each other in practice. The injury rate fell 80 percent, the concussion rate 58 percent. And since 2014, they have won 76 percent of games. Will their experimental methods spread across football?

And this report is getting drilled because every other FBS school knew this already.

[mraynrand]

Tackling you say?

Dave Wilson @dwil
Dartmouth players don’t tackle each other in practice. The injury rate fell 80 percent, the concussion rate 58 percent. And since 2014, they have won 76 percent of games. Will their experimental methods spread across football?

And this report is getting drilled because every other FBS school knew this already.

Except this isn't moving football in the direction they think

Virtual reality and robotic tackling dummies -- how Dartmouth is shaping the future of football

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/27347621/virtual-reality-robotic-tackling-dummies-how-dartmouth-shaping-future-football

APB might really have his opportunity to be a shut down corner in the virtual NFL of the future
https://a4.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2019%2F0808%2Fr581131_1296x729_16 %2D9.jpg&w=920&h=518&scale=crop&cquality=80&location=origin&format=jpg

[George Cumby]

Lol

[RashanGary]

I don’t think we’re gonna see much traditional base this year. I like Bolton long term but he’s a rookie. I imagine we’ll run big nickel with Greene instead of traditional base. And then in regular nickel, Greene will come out and Tramon will be in the slot.

I really hope King comes back soon. I really don’t want Tramon on the boundary and I don’t fully trust Brown or Hollman just yet.

[RashanGary]

Alexander/king
Amos/Savage
Martinez/Greene


I like that back end. All are smart guys who can be counted on and count on each other. Switch Greene out for Tramon and I still feel the same way with the lean being toward pass coverage.

[wist43]

I don’t think we’re gonna see much traditional base this year. I like Bolton long term but he’s a rookie. I imagine we’ll run big nickel with Greene instead of traditional base. And then in regular nickel, Greene will come out and Tramon will be in the slot.

I really hope King comes back soon. I really don’t want Tramon on the boundary and I don’t fully trust Brown or Hollman just yet.

I'd like to see our base be a 3-3 like I've been calling for forever.

We actually have the personnel to run it effectively now - sans Gary. Really worried about him. He has not looked good at all. Don't think he can play standing up, and if that's the case he might be a wasted pick. Not to mention all the other negatives surrounding him.

[Joemailman]

I'd like to see our base be a 3-3 like I've been calling for forever.

We actually have the personnel to run it effectively now - sans Gary. Really worried about him. He has not looked good at all. Don't think he can play standing up, and if that's the case he might be a wasted pick. Not to mention all the other negatives surrounding him.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/rashan-gary

This profile of Gary suggests that his best role might as an inside player, and they may have been right. That's not all bad, as Pettine puts a lot of emphasis on generating inside pass rush.


Rashan Gary is a versatile defender with the needed abilities to be a disruptive force working from 3T. Gary has the ability to set the edge vs. the run and can be worked on the outside sparingly, although his pass rush skills are best utilized in scenarios that allow him to play with linear angles and with his hips aligned behind his pads to optimize his power and quickness.

[Bretsky]

I'd like to see our base be a 3-3 like I've been calling for forever.

We actually have the personnel to run it effectively now - sans Gary. Really worried about him. He has not looked good at all. Don't think he can play standing up, and if that's the case he might be a wasted pick. Not to mention all the other negatives surrounding him.

well you did say he'd be out of the league within 3 years

[Bretsky]

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/rashan-gary

This profile of Gary suggests that his best role might as an inside player, and they may have been right. That's not all bad, as Pettine puts a lot of emphasis on generating inside pass rush.


This suggests UTTER FAILURE of our scouting department. If true, wouldn't you agree ? They did not draft him to play inside. Didn't one coach note best Edge in the draft ? If you listen to the post draft quotes, we drafted an EDGE

NIck Perry was a talent who was a horrible fit. If this turns out to be Gary, we'll all be wishing we'd just have taken a high motor upside Edge like Brian Burns

[texaspackerbacker]

There was a lot of talk about using a hot shot Edge Rusher inside along with two on the edge. So far, the only place I've seen either Smith or Gary is outside. I have to think there is more to come that Pettine ain't putting on display in the preseason. hopefully a lot more.

[Joemailman]

This suggests UTTER FAILURE of our scouting department. If true, wouldn't you agree ? They did not draft him to play inside. Didn't one coach note best Edge in the draft ? If you listen to the post draft quotes, we drafted an EDGE

NIck Perry was a talent who was a horrible fit. If this turns out to be Gary, we'll all be wishing we'd just have taken a high motor upside Edge like Brian Burns

Oh I think they drafted him to play both inside and outside. Pettine loves that kind of versatility. It's one reason they parted ways with Mike Daniels, because guys like Gary and Z. Smith can also play inside. If they wanted a guy who was strictly an edge rusher, I don't think Gary would have been the pick.

[Bretsky]

Oh I think they drafted him to play both inside and outside. Pettine loves that kind of versatility. It's one reason they parted ways with Mike Daniels, because guys like Gary and Z. Smith can also play inside. If they wanted a guy who was strictly an edge rusher, I don't think Gary would have been the pick.

You suggested his best role might be on the inside

I just noted based on all comments that is not what GB sounded like they thought they were getting.

There were two elite ILB's in the draft last year; I don't think anybody would have drafted Gary thinking he's best suited as a ILB. In fact, his lack of hustle in running down plays at time, and at Michigan, really suggest he's not the type of relentless player you'd like to see chasing down players from the inside

[RashanGary]

Everyone knows im a big Gary fan. The Packers aren’t coming out in the preseason with their best stuff. If Gary looks bad in the regular season I’ll disappointedly start eating my crow. And I do fully understand that he may be more of a situational pass rusher in his first year as an OLB. For now, I still see this as a R-E-L-A-X moment. When he’s going all out in practice, using his full arsenal, he’s been a beast. That means more than preseason games where most things are held back.

[RashanGary]

You don’t hear of any top pass rushers tearing up the preseason. That’s not how preseason works.

[RashanGary]

The NFL sack leaders are Daeahon Hall Brian Burns Reggie Gilbert Marquis Haynes and Duane Hendrix. I have a feeling the regular season might be a little different. It’s relax time. It really is.

[Teamcheez1]

Preseason is the be all and end all of football.

It's so important the Bears rested all 22 starters in last night's game against the Giants.

[mraynrand]

You suggested his best role might be on the inside

I just noted based on all comments that is not what GB sounded like they thought they were getting.

There were two elite ILB's in the draft last year; I don't think anybody would have drafted Gary thinking he's best suited as a ILB. In fact, his lack of hustle in running down plays at time, and at Michigan, really suggest he's not the type of relentless player you'd like to see chasing down players from the inside

Not ILB, interior lineman. To replace Daniels. I think that’s where you’ll see him get a lot of snaps. The Smiths will start and be backed up outside by Feckless, Gilbert, ???, and some Gary. Gary will be inside on obvious passing downs. Unless the light turns on for him - then he’ll get a lot of snaps.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I don’t think we’re gonna see much traditional base this year. I like Bolton long term but he’s a rookie. I imagine we’ll run big nickel with Greene instead of traditional base. And then in regular nickel, Greene will come out and Tramon will be in the slot.

I really hope King comes back soon. I really don’t want Tramon on the boundary and I don’t fully trust Brown or Hollman just yet.

King's injured again? Man, dude is so fragile, Todd shoulda checked to see if King had balls prior to telling TJ Watt to take a hike.

And not sure what King did that aroused you, but the rare times I saw the guy in the rye, he was no shutdown corner. Just another deer-legged loser.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

The NFL sack leaders are Daeahon Hall Brian Burns Reggie Gilbert Marquis Haynes and Duane Hendrix. I have a feeling the regular season might be a little different. It’s relax time. It really is.

Sacks aren't everything in the preseason. Otherwise, Michael Sam woulda - and shoulda - made the Rams.

It's about competition. If Gary ain't motivated to hustle til the whistle for snaps against Emmitt Smith's sons and the Mormon of the Midway, nothing else will.

Gary is a bum.

[pbmax]

I'd like to see our base be a 3-3 like I've been calling for forever.

We actually have the personnel to run it effectively now - sans Gary. Really worried about him. He has not looked good at all. Don't think he can play standing up, and if that's the case he might be a wasted pick. Not to mention all the other negatives surrounding him.

They run a 3-3. They run it to match nickel personnel and when, I expect, their tendency chart says a run is still possible.

[pbmax]

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/rashan-gary

This profile of Gary suggests that his best role might as an inside player, and they may have been right. That's not all bad, as Pettine puts a lot of emphasis on generating inside pass rush.

This would be somewhat promising and reassuring if the team was using him inside. Because right now he is playing OLB. He might get some inside snaps at a 3T, but that is purely situational at this point. Might be all he is fit to do this year.

[pbmax]

You suggested his best role might be on the inside

I just noted based on all comments that is not what GB sounded like they thought they were getting.

There were two elite ILB's in the draft last year; I don't think anybody would have drafted Gary thinking he's best suited as a ILB. In fact, his lack of hustle in running down plays at time, and at Michigan, really suggest he's not the type of relentless player you'd like to see chasing down players from the inside

You have to relax a tad. One numbnut on a website says inside. Gary isn't big enough to be there 24/7 so that guy was only seeing part of the picture. Unless he is also suggesting Gary gain 15-20 pounds and be Santana Dotson.

[Joemailman]

You suggested his best role might be on the inside

I just noted based on all comments that is not what GB sounded like they thought they were getting.

There were two elite ILB's in the draft last year; I don't think anybody would have drafted Gary thinking he's best suited as a ILB. In fact, his lack of hustle in running down plays at time, and at Michigan, really suggest he's not the type of relentless player you'd like to see chasing down players from the inside

When I said inside, I meant 3 Tech, not ILB.

[wist43]

They run a 3-3. They run it to match nickel personnel and when, I expect, their tendency chart says a run is still possible.

They'll run a lot more 3-3 this year... we simply don't have the ILB's to run very much 2-4 or base 3-4.

Gute is going to have to invest in ILB'S next year... no getting around that.

At this point I'm assuming Burks will be cut, jury is still out on Bolton... our best hope is Summers.

[pbmax]

They'll run a lot more 3-3 this year... we simply don't have the ILB's to run very much 2-4 or base 3-4.

Gute is going to have to invest in ILB'S next year... no getting around that.

At this point I'm assuming Burks will be cut, jury is still out on Bolton... our best hope is Summers.

Or sign a late cut like Morrison last year.

[pbmax]

@BenFennell_NFL
The strength of #Packers defense is deep DB room & versatile EDGEs

Get offenses into 3rd & medium/long = bring on the dime personnel & move around the chess piece rushers!

Gary, Preston, Za'Darius all standing up here on L.O.S. in a 1-4-6 defense w/ Adams only DT

@CoachPaintCH

Video clip here: https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/1163118427659259905

[mraynrand]

Packers have a deep DB room, but the question is always will enough of them be able to ambulate out of the room and actually play?

[Teamcheez1]

Rodgers still being held out of practice on Sunday with back injury.

I'm beginning to wonder if he will take a live snap in a game prior to the opener.

[RashanGary]

Packers have a deep DB room, but the question is always will enough of them be able to ambulate out of the room and actually play?


Frustrating.

Alexander is the #1. King pushes him when heathy.
Brown has stayed healthy. He’s fast. Looks decent.
Williams is a savvy slot corner. Would hate to see him on the boundary

That’s just barely enough to get us through a game

King and Hollman being back would make it more comfortable to start the season knowing if we lose one or two we can still get by.

Jackson might be a good backup slot corner. His size and ball skills and lack of speed makes that spot a little more natural for him.

[Joemailman]

Ryan Wood
✔
@ByRyanWood
#Packers safety Darnell Savage Jr got a good jump on DeShone Kizer’s pass to Jimmy Graham, breaking it up. From the sound and reaction, Graham at least jammed his finger on the play. Maybe worse. He immediately ran inside the Hutson Center.

27
2:26 PM - Aug 18, 2019



Olivia Reiner
✔
@ReinerOlivia
Manny Wilkins hits Allen Lazard in the end zone through A LOT of traffic for a five yard touchdown. #jumpybump action ensues.



Olivia Reiner
✔
@ReinerOlivia
Matt LaFleur just scolded Dexter Williams heavily for a failed play during a red zone drill. Told him to “get out” and now he’s standing off to the side.



Pete Dougherty
✔
@PeteDougherty
Trevor Davis, who’d been out with stinger, back in pads today.





Ryan Wood
✔
@ByRyanWood
Alex Light took first-team reps at LT in Bakhtiari’s place. Third tackle is Light’s job to lose.



Jim Owczarski
✔
@JimOwczarski
Josh Jones remains out with an illness..

[RashanGary]

Alex Light turned into the player we hoped Spriggs would be. We need a decent backup tackle with Bulagas history and likelihood of leaving next year and Bakh getting a little older.

[RashanGary]

We have 4 guys with 4.37-4.43 speed at corner. And the 4.43 guys is 6’3” and as agile as they come so might as well think of him as 4.37 too.

Alexander
King
Hollman
Brown

That’s a lot of speed outside. Williams and Jackson a little slower so they stay inside maybe

[pbmax]

@TomSilverstein

CB/S Josh Jackson is taking part in team drills for the first time since coming off NFI with a foot injury.

[RashanGary]

@TomSilverstein

CB/S Josh Jackson is taking part in team drills for the first time since coming off NFI with a foot injury.

Gotta think he’ll play slot with all of the speed we have in the other guys. Glad he’s back tho. If he can develop into a quality slot guy, that sets us up to move on from Tramon painlessly next year.

[pbmax]

Today's camp practice in four screenshots


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECRxWInXoAAXxRv?format=jpg&name=small

[Joemailman]

Earlier mentioned that MLF was mad at Dexter Williams. Here's more of a description of what happened:



Andy Herman
@SconnieSports
Team red zone drills upcoming:

2nd team starts. Boyle at QB.

Holy cow. Dexter Williams open for a td. Boyle beautiful ball, Williams drops it and LaFleur is PISSED. All over Williams and he’s out of the period.

[mraynrand]

Cue “ Woodblock” with his devastating critique of the entire organization.

[Teamcheez1]

Earlier mentioned that MLF was mad at Dexter Williams. Here's more of a description of what happened:

Williams will make the roster and be a game day inactive all season until someone gets hurt

[mraynrand]

Williams will make the roster and be a game day inactive all season until someone gets hurt

So he plays week 2 is what you're saying.

[RashanGary]

List of surprise positives from camp:

Kingsley Keke
Alex Light
Billy Turner
Tony Brown
Kadar Hollman
Mont Adams (looked stout af in games)
Shepherd/Lazard


I’m excited to see the defense come together. The young corners stepping up was the brightest bright spot of camp. With the improved pass rush depth and DL depth, I could see a very strong pass defense in 2019. I wouldn’t be surprised with a top 5 finish. Anything less than top 10 and I’m disappointed.

[pbmax]

Earlier mentioned that MLF was mad at Dexter Williams. Here's more of a description of what happened:

Seems out of place? Would be better to ream out a starter, of course, none of the starter RBs are healthy so, OK.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Packers have a deep DB room, but the question is always will enough of them be able to ambulate out of the room and actually play?

How deep? Rolling in the deep? As deep as Linda Lovelace in Deep Throat?

Unless you shutdown Darren Charles in a game, with all due respect, you know jack shit about DBs, especially corners.

What I’m barking about is, there ain’t a fucking shutdown corner in cold, dark and dull Green Bay. Alexander is a cocky little midget who fakes an injury every time some no name 7th string wide-out is eating him “out” alive. King hasn’t been exposed as the fraud he apparently is b/c he lacks balls to show up on Sundays. King is so fragile, he makes Nick Perry look as tough as Brett Favre. T-Will is over the hill. The rest of the corners, none of them has the Kung Fu to shutdown Richard Rodgers, and I’ve seen Lions DEs - not DBs - shut down Rodgers.

At safety, the Rook is, well, a rook. Rook’s gonna make a shitload of mistakes; that’s just the nature of the game. Amos, is he Italian or something? I saw him miss an open field tackle on a TE the other day. I was not impressed. The rest are deer-legged losers, to paraphrase my pal Partial. The only good news is, safety #35 is no longer donning the Green and Gold.

I will self-ban from this forum if #35 catches more picks for the Pack this season than Bak.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Earlier mentioned that MLF was mad at Dexter Williams. Here's more of a description of what happened:

Good to know, LaFleur ain’t as soft as he looks. A player could fumble twice in a quarter and McCarthy would still throw him right back into the fray, instead of grabbing the player by the face mask and dragging him into a doghouse.

Looks like the Frog is actually preaching accountability.

[RashanGary]

Good to know, LaFleur ain’t as soft as he looks. A player could fumble twice in a quarter and McCarthy would still throw him right back into the fray, instead of grabbing the player by the face mask and dragging him into a doghouse.

Looks like the Frog is actually preaching accountability.

Sounds like he’s really pushing consistency. Very few players he really praises. The up and comers he says, yeah, they do good things in flashes but we need it consistently. And he’s always talking about “the standard.” So I do get the sense there is a higher standard to do things right in Green Bay now. He also talks about the defense as an equal, MM always seemed to lean toward the offense.

[pbmax]

Good to know, LaFleur ain’t as soft as he looks. A player could fumble twice in a quarter and McCarthy would still throw him right back into the fray, instead of grabbing the player by the face mask and dragging him into a doghouse.

Looks like the Frog is actually preaching accountability.

McCarthy was the same as almost all coaches. He pulled players if they made mistakes in practice and benched players in games unless they were well established.

Not sure about the yelling though, seems conter-productive.

But my concern here is reps. Players need reps to iron out problems. Yanking them from the reps better be the second to last method. Otherwise, problem will not get solved.

[Cheesehead Craig]

McCarthy was the same as almost all coaches. He pulled players if they made mistakes in practice and benched players in games unless they were well established.

Not sure about the yelling though, seems conter-productive.

But my concern here is reps. Players need reps to iron out problems. Yanking them from the reps better be the second to last method. Otherwise, problem will not get solved.

Drops like that are focus (laziness) issues, nothing to do with technique. All the reps aren't going to keep a guy from dropping the ball in that situation. Yanking him gets his attention and that causes him to feel embarrassed and you damn well know that the focus will be there next time.

[mraynrand]

Drops like that are focus (laziness) issues, nothing to do with technique. All the reps aren't going to keep a guy from dropping the ball in that situation. Yanking him gets his attention and that causes him to feel embarrassed and you damn well know that the focus will be there next time.

I personally prefer the 'self-discipline' of the team. i.e., If Williams drops another pass, the whole team does 50 push-ups. "RUN IT AGAIN!"

[pbmax]

I personally prefer the 'self-discipline' of the team. i.e., If Williams drops another pass, the whole team does 50 push-ups. "RUN IT AGAIN!"

Only for the Bears and Vikings games.

[pbmax]

Drops like that are focus (laziness) issues, nothing to do with technique. All the reps aren't going to keep a guy from dropping the ball in that situation. Yanking him gets his attention and that causes him to feel embarrassed and you damn well know that the focus will be there next time.

OK, but that is a real individual issue. I don't think Moore is lazy, I think he has a real, physical issue with proper hand usage/placement if Lofton wasn't just blowing smoke. Sending him off the field for fewer reps doesn't help (just a hypothetical case).

Was Williams just half assing it? Perhaps or the coach just wanted to light a fire under what was reported to be a bad practice for the offense. I just hope its not a last and only resort to bad technique. Maybe Justin can comment on it from being at pracitce.

[Cheesehead Craig]

OK, but that is a real individual issue. I don't think Moore is lazy, I think he has a real, physical issue with proper hand usage/placement if Lofton wasn't just blowing smoke. Sending him off the field for fewer reps doesn't help (just a hypothetical case).

Was Williams just half assing it? Perhaps or the coach just wanted to light a fire under what was reported to be a bad practice for the offense. I just hope its not a last and only resort to bad technique. Maybe Justin can comment on it from being at pracitce.
I was referring to the Williams play with my comment. Moore is just a different case altogether. It's form, it's mental (at this point), and I think frustration as it's not clicking for him so he's afraid of failing yet again. Would someone like Lofton or Jordy or someone who has had success in the Packer org as a WR be able to help him one-on-one? Perhaps that gets through to him? I don't know. He may very well be a case of someone who will thrive elsewhere because he'll simply get a coach where it clicks what is said/taught to him.

[pbmax]

I was referring to the Williams play with my comment. Moore is just a different case altogether. It's form, it's mental (at this point), and I think frustration as it's not clicking for him so he's afraid of failing yet again. Would someone like Lofton or Jordy or someone who has had success in the Packer org as a WR be able to help him one-on-one? Perhaps that gets through to him? I don't know. He may very well be a case of someone who will thrive elsewhere because he'll simply get a coach where it clicks what is said/taught to him.

Yeah, I was too, Moore just a counter example where the yelling and lack of reps might cause a problem. But we don't know if Williams overall performance was a factor or not in the shout out.

Moore has probably always had the underlying issue and not performing well (possibly starting with something unrelated like routes or playbook) has just aggravated it and made it harder to dig himself out.

Its weird, no matter what coaches tell you, WR (and especially) TE and RB catch a lot of body balls. There are a lot of ways to skin that cat, but its hard to teach at this level. In Willis Adams last year or two, the coaching staff gave up trying to get him to be a hand catcher and said do it however it works for you. Did not help at that point. It is possible to listen to your coaches too closely.

So it could be a multi-step problem and the only way I know to solve that (and its unrelated to football) is to go back to the basics and rebuild how you think about getting each step done. And dump whatever advice doesn't work from the algorithm. Lofton or Nelson might help if they get him unstuck, but its a crap shoot.

[pbmax]

@JimOwczarski

The #Packers and Kendall Donnerson have indeed parted ways w/ an injury settlement. Though Donnerson could return, the move is the first pick Brian Gutekunst has cut ties with. Donnerson was waived/injured Aug. 8 but wasn’t claimed so had reverted to team’s IR.
@RobDemovsky
first

[pbmax]

Last public practice:

Rodgers is pads and practicing

@TomSilverstein
RB Jamaal Williams getting his first team reps in opening period (not competitive as I said before, more jog through).

@JimOwczarski
#Packers did not practice list:
Kevin King, Kabion Ento (hammy)
Ka’Dar Hollman (stinger)
Oren Burks (chest)
Danny Vitale (calf)
Jimmy Graham (finger)
Jace Sternberger (concussion)
Reggie Gilbert (knee)
Greg Roberts, Ibraheim Campbell (PUP list)

@ByRyanWood
#Packers WR Trevor Davis making up for lost time. Caught a 5-yard pass from Kizer on 3-4. Later, ended team drill with a 40-yard bomb from Tim Boyle against Chandon Sullivan and Will Redmond, despite PI from Sullivan. When he’s been healthy, Davis has been quite good in camp.

NO MATTER WHICH DECISION THEY MAKE WITH DAVIS, IT WILL NOT WORK OUT AND BOTH OPTIONS WILL GET HURT

[pbmax]

JONES IS BACK?!

@ByRyanWood
Top of #Packers’ running back rotation going through individual drills. Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams hitting the dummy.

[mraynrand]

JONES IS BACK?!

@ByRyanWood
Top of #Packers’ running back rotation going through individual drills. Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams hitting the dummy.

BURKS IS BACK?!

[Rutnstrut]

BURKS IS BACK?!



My first thought was they brought stubby back.

[run pMc]

OK, but that is a real individual issue. I don't think Moore is lazy, I think he has a real, physical issue with proper hand usage/placement if Lofton wasn't just blowing smoke. Sending him off the field for fewer reps doesn't help (just a hypothetical case).

Was Williams just half assing it? Perhaps or the coach just wanted to light a fire under what was reported to be a bad practice for the offense. I just hope its not a last and only resort to bad technique. Maybe Justin can comment on it from being at pracitce.

Have to dig around for it, but I thought MLF pulled D.Williams & put him back in later and he did fine, picking up a blitz nicely and then making some other play, so I took it as MLF making a point and Williams showing he's coachable. Some players don't take well to getting yanked or yelled at, others do. I suspect Moore is more in the former category...seems like his issues are in his head.

[Fritz]

BURKS IS BACK?!



No, dummy, it's Lamont.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moYdbNXBwvk

[pbmax]

@ChrisBurke02
When did the idea of “its too hot to practice” enter into American culture? ��*♂️

THIS IS A MAN WHO HAS NOT SUFFERED FROM HEAT STROKE WHILE PRACTICING. REASONABLE PRECAUTIONS WOULD OBVIATE THE NEED FOR THIS BUT SOME COACHES DON'T BELIEVE IN THOSE. I AM OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER BEING TOLD NOT TO DRINK ONE FUNNEL CUP OF WATER IN THE MIDDLE OF PRACTICE

@ChrisBurke02
So in Texas it's really only during Football in August is when we see. Maximum heat exposer. Never seen no practice at all but more of amount of time in the heat.

@ChrisBurke02
I get it that we have to be careful and take precautions but the idea of canceling practice when it’s 90 degrees is not helpful for kids long term IMO

@tx_pierce
Dont disagree. I have never seen a canceled practice. That's extreme. And the heat exposure rules are heat over 100°

@tx_pierce
Burke. Are you watching the Rangers Angels game. Lol. They are saying Pitchers should warm up inside the cage and not outside at Arlington bc its "too hot" lol

[pbmax]

CAMP LEG HITS 55 YARDER IN PRACTICE

https://twitter.com/Eagles/status/1163933179218145283

[RashanGary]

Hammys don’t typically last more than six weeks. But I was at practice the day after king injured his and he was noticeably limping. That suggests a somewhat severe hamstring strain. I don’t expect him back for six weeks from the onset of injury. September 15th against Vikings is my guess.

Hollman should be back.

So lining up against Chicago, gotta expect its Alexander and Tony Brown. Williams nickel. Greene dime/big nickel. Hollman is first guy off bench in case of injury.


It’s not a horrible group, but King sure does make it better. Hopefully the hammy doesn’t go too long.

[RashanGary]

CAMP LEG HITS 55 YARDER IN PRACTICE

https://twitter.com/Eagles/status/1163933179218145283

Holy shit. Nice.

[pbmax]

Hammys don’t typically last more than six weeks. But I was at practice the day after king injured his and he was noticeably limping. That suggests a somewhat severe hamstring strain. I don’t expect him back for six weeks from the onset of injury. September 15th against Vikings is my guess.

Hollman should be back.

So lining up against Chicago, gotta expect its Alexander and Tony Brown. Williams nickel. Greene dime/big nickel. Hollman is first guy off bench in case of injury.


It’s not a horrible group, but King sure does make it better. Hopefully the hammy doesn’t go too long.

Williams is #1 outside with King out. Brown is outside in nickel and presumably dime.

[Zool]

@ChrisBurke02
So in Texas it's really only during Football in August is when we see. Maximum heat exposer. Never seen no practice at all but more of amount of time in the heat.

Who the fuck is Chris Burke, and why did someone give him a forum to speak about anything?

[run pMc]

Who the fuck is Chris Burke, and why did someone give him a forum to speak about anything?

No idea who this person is, but the thinking is a little anachronistic. How many teams play in cold/mild weather climates, or in domes? Unless you're ARI or a Florida team, I'm not sure it matters past September. Working out in heat can provide significant benefits in conditioning -- especially when you move from the heat to altitude, or to milder weather -- but doing it to be "tough" seems like it could be taken to extremes or dangerous outcomes by some overzealous coach or S&C staffer.

[run pMc]

Williams is #1 outside with King out. Brown is outside in nickel and presumably dime.

Based on the camp reports, I thought Brown had been playing outside. Seems like Pettine likes Tramon's smarts and versatility to play the slot, although I think it will ultimately depend on the matchups.

[Zool]

No idea who this person is, but the thinking is a little anachronistic. How many teams play in cold/mild weather climates, or in domes? Unless you're ARI or a Florida team, I'm not sure it matters past September. Working out in heat can provide significant benefits in conditioning -- especially when you move from the heat to altitude, or to milder weather -- but doing it to be "tough" seems like it could be taken to extremes or dangerous outcomes by some overzealous coach or S&C staffer.

He said exposer, followed closely by never seen no.

[Patler]

@ChrisBurke02
When did the idea of “its too hot to practice” enter into American culture? ��*♂️

THIS IS A MAN WHO HAS NOT SUFFERED FROM HEAT STROKE WHILE PRACTICING. REASONABLE PRECAUTIONS WOULD OBVIATE THE NEED FOR THIS BUT SOME COACHES DON'T BELIEVE IN THOSE. I AM OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER BEING TOLD NOT TO DRINK ONE FUNNEL CUP OF WATER IN THE MIDDLE OF PRACTICE

@ChrisBurke02
So in Texas it's really only during Football in August is when we see. Maximum heat exposer. Never seen no practice at all but more of amount of time in the heat.

@ChrisBurke02
I get it that we have to be careful and take precautions but the idea of canceling practice when it’s 90 degrees is not helpful for kids long term IMO

@tx_pierce
Dont disagree. I have never seen a canceled practice. That's extreme. And the heat exposure rules are heat over 100°

@tx_pierce
Burke. Are you watching the Rangers Angels game. Lol. They are saying Pitchers should warm up inside the cage and not outside at Arlington bc its "too hot" lol

Have they forgotten Korey Stringer already? Or the many high school and college football players who have died from heatstroke. The Kory Stringer Foundation puts it at an average of three per year.

[Joemailman]

Just a friendly reminder that I can't start the Game Day thread. Started it last week and the Packers lost.

Captain doesn't like to be kept waiting.

[Radagast]

Just a friendly reminder that I can't start the Game Day thread. Started it last week and the Packers lost.

Captain doesn't like to be kept waiting.


No harm intended, but how do you deliver the mail and post as well. Are you a 2nd or 3rd shift worker?

[Joemailman]

No harm intended, but how do you deliver the mail and post as well. Are you a 2nd or 3rd shift worker?

Took a vacation day today. Scheduled off this weekend. Don't normally post during the day.

[mraynrand]

No harm intended, but how do you deliver the mail and post as well. Are you a 2nd or 3rd shift worker?

Yeah, he's the 'postal worker' who 'delivers your mail' at 4AM. #porchpirate :D

[pbmax]

Have they forgotten Korey Stringer already? Or the many high school and college football players who have died from heatstroke. The Kory Stringer Foundation puts it at an average of three per year.

Patler, death is a part of life. The circle of life, which means some must die; even if avoidably. Especially if its not the poster in the line of fire.

To avoid death is to allow doubt about someone else's toughness to seep into your consciousness, which is against several Constitutional amendments.

[pbmax]

No harm intended, but how do you deliver the mail and post as well. Are you a 2nd or 3rd shift worker?

Apocalypse shift.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2GL4eNFwyjw/T6FOwxOd-EI/AAAAAAAAA5s/Fv8CCDtt3-k/s320/postman.jpg

[Joemailman]

Rob Demovsky
ESPN Staff Writer
Recapping today's roster moves: Claimed off waivers: ILB Nicholas Grigsby (23 career NFL games with the Lions, Patriots and Rams). Signed: OLB James Folston (rookie), CB Jocquez Kalili (rookie). Waived: S Josh Jones (non-football illness).


Rob Demovsky
ESPN Staff Writer
Blake Martinez said he didn't travel to the Oakland game because he wanted to get his back checked out. It had been a bit of a bother during camp so he wanted to make sure nothing was wrong. Tests revealed no issues, he said, and he was back on the practice field today.


Rob Demovsky
ESPN Staff Writer
Packers LB Curtis Bolton said he doesn't think he has an ACL tear but was vague about his prognosis. Also, WR Allen Lazard is in the concussion protocol after leaving Thursday's game vs. Oakland.

Doesn't sound like we should expect Bolton back anytime soon. Good to see Vitale back.


ob Demovsky
ESPN Staff Writer
A total of 15 Packers not practicing: Allen Lazard (unknown), Eq St. Brown (ankle), Kevin King (hamstring), Mike Tyson (unknown), Ibraheim Campbell (knee), Curtis Bolton (knee), Oren Burks (pectoral), Malcolm Johnson (unknown), Kabion Ento (hamstring), Rashan Gary (unknown), Greg Roberts (abdomen), Cole Madison (unknown), David Bakhtiari (unknown), Jimmy Graham (finger), Reggie Gilbert (knee). Two players returned: Danny Vitale (calf), Ka'dar Hollman (stinger).

[Radagast]

With 3 preseason scrimmages in the books, the Packers have recorded a total of 4 sacks.

3rd team LOLB Reggie Gilbert has 2 Sacks.

3rd team LILB Brady Sheldon has 1 Sack.

and

4th team LOLB Randy Ramsey has 1 Sack.

No 1st or 2nd team Defensive players have recorded any Sacks, at all.

Let's hope that the final preseason game will see some production and not another "training project" exhibition. Both of the first team Defenses and Offenses need to be heavily involved in the last schrimage against KC. Without some real game work the Packers will be starting COLD in the opener against the Bears.



:doh:

[texaspackerbacker]

Doesn't sound like we should expect Bolton back anytime soon. Good to see Vitale back.

Sternberger isn't listed there. Does that mean he's back playing, or what?

[mraynrand]

Starters aren’t playing and no one is scheming. All the schemes will come out against Chicago. Maybe go see a movie on Thursday and skip the game. Save you some frustration.

[Joemailman]

Let's hope that the final preseason game will see some production and not another "training project" exhibition. Both of the first team Defenses and Offenses need to be heavily involved in the last schrimage against KC. Without some real game work the Packers will be starting COLD in the opener against the Bears.



:doh:

Nope.Not gonna happen. Bears haven't playing their offensive starters either.

[run pMc]

Nope.Not gonna happen. Bears haven't playing their offensive starters either.

Agree...game 4 is NOT when coaches play starters, or have you never noticed this?
Nagy has wrapped most of his starters in bubble wrap all preseason too. It's a league wide thing, has been for years, and Nagy has been pointed to as an example of taking it even farther than others have in the past.

[run pMc]

Sternberger isn't listed there. Does that mean he's back playing, or what?

My understanding is he's been cleared to practice. They might be easing him back. I'm guessing the concussion + jaw injury (hairline fracture maybe?) will necessitate that.

[mraynrand]

It's a league wide thing, has been for years, and Nagy has been pointed to as an example of taking it even farther than others have in the past.

Feels like the scales really tipped this year, no? I hope so. I hope it gets pathetic enough that at least 2 preseason games get cut forever.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Feels like the scales really tipped this year, no? I hope so. I hope it gets pathetic enough that at least 2 preseason games get cut forever.

Unfortunately, the league still makes $ on the preseason games so they simply won't get rid of them until they get another revenue source to compensate for them.

[pbmax]

Feels like the scales really tipped this year, no? I hope so. I hope it gets pathetic enough that at least 2 preseason games get cut forever.

Rams sat almost everyone the last two years, made the Super Bowl and people took note.

[Fritz]

Feels like the scales really tipped this year, no? I hope so. I hope it gets pathetic enough that at least 2 preseason games get cut forever.

Once coaches start sitting the second stringers all preseason, and the league begins to invite the Appleton Applejacks 14U team to come on down and play a series in the third quarter, then I think you might get your wish.

[pbmax]

Once coaches start sitting the second stringers all preseason, and the league begins to invite the Appleton Applejacks 14U team to come on down and play a series in the third quarter, then I think you might get your wish.

Fan eligibility during preseason. Come to the game, down block from left guard!

[mraynrand]

Fan eligibility during preseason.

Shut down corner! Shut down corner! We could have an APB Darren Charles rematch! Think of the anticipation. It's an awesome spectacle...

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/gopher-football-vs-wisconsin-minnesota-wins-3734-in-this-photo-picture-id1154234653?s=2048x2048

[pbmax]

I think Gute is lonely and bored.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
The #Packers announce they have signed CB Jackson Porter and waived injured S Mike Tyson.

[Patler]

I think Gute is lonely and bored.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
The #Packers announce they have signed CB Jackson Porter and waived injured S Mike Tyson.

Probably just looking for players capable of being on the field for the final preseason game, because anyone on their projected final 53 won't even suit up.

[SudsMcBucky]

Probably just looking for players capable of being on the field for the final preseason game, because anyone on their projected final 53 won't even suit up.

Let's be honest, here. Mike Tyson was never the same since he lost to Buster Douglas. He shoulda been waived.

[pbmax]

^ Man, my ear hurts.

In other news:

@TomSilverstein
#Packers practice: OLB Rashan Gary and LT David Bakhtiari return. C Corey Linsley (unspecified) is the only new addition to those out. A total of 11 plus 2 PUPs not practicing.

@BillHuberSI
Lazard, St. Brown, King, Campbell, Bolton, Burks, M Johnson, Ento, Roberts, Madison, Linsley, Graham and Gilbert not practicing. Bakh back.

[pbmax]

Bill Huber @BillHuberSI
Gutekunst likes Dexter Williams' explosiveness. He's growing in the passing game - a critical element in GB's offense.

Gutekunst says Josh Jones might not have been the best fit. And that includes fitting "the organization as a whole." Sees him having "bright" career.

Gutekunst on Sternberger: "Absolutely" can contribute this year after being set back with concussion. Expects he'll have to rely on him at some point this season.

FIRST REACTION: STERNBERGER MAKES THE ROSTER.

@ReinerOlivia
#Packers GM Brian Gutekunst wouldn't talk about specific players with injuries, but he did say that he wants to give "core players" an opportunity to come back later in the season off of IR.

SECOND REACTION, STERNBERGER TO IR.

@TomSilverstein
Gutekunst on whether it has been discussed that one of his kickers could be kicking against him Week 1: "I learned from Ted that you really have to focus on what's best for you and your team," he said.

@TomSilverstein
Gutekunst said he and his staff are constantly evaluating other teams' roster to see who might be cut. "We have a pretty good idea of who's there and who won't be," he said.

@JimOwczarski
#Packers GM Brian Gutekunst: Believes guys can make the team on Thursday, and he can also find players off other squads to claim off the preseason finale.

[Fritz]

Fan eligibility during preseason. Come to the game, down block from left guard!

It's better than kids running the bases!

[RashanGary]

9 damn days! Sounds like the offense is ready to play! AR and Bakh groovin! First Shannahan offense with advanced audible option in certain situations! Lafleur says practice is sharp and detailed! First time all camp he’s been happy with the tempo and detail.

We’re ready!!!!

[RashanGary]

MLF glowing about OL starters. Said the ol and QB made a quick transition into his offense possible. Said he didn’t have words to describe how monumental they’ve been in getting this thing on track.

[Fritz]

I hope he really meant all that.

[pbmax]

Burks was back but in limited capacity, maybe out for stretching or warmups, but still rehabbing.

@BillHuberSI
Oren Burks said it was a partial tear of his pectoral, which is why he’ll be able to play without surgery.

@WesHod
Luke Getsy will call plays against KC per Matt LaFleur #Packers

@WesHod
Corey Linsley returned to practice today. Twelve others didn’t practice: Allen Lazard, St. Brown, Kevin King, Ibraheim Campbell, Curtis Bolton, Oren Burks, Malcolm Johnson, Kabion Ento, Greg Roberts, Cole Madison, Jimmy Graham, Reggie Gilbert #Packers

[Smidgeon]

Burks was back but in limited capacity, maybe out for stretching or warmups, but still rehabbing.

@BillHuberSI
Oren Burks said it was a partial tear of his pectoral, which is why he’ll be able to play without surgery.

@WesHod
Luke Getsy will call plays against KC per Matt LaFleur #Packers

@WesHod
Corey Linsley returned to practice today. Twelve others didn’t practice: Allen Lazard, St. Brown, Kevin King, Ibraheim Campbell, Curtis Bolton, Oren Burks, Malcolm Johnson, Kabion Ento, Greg Roberts, Cole Madison, Jimmy Graham, Reggie Gilbert #Packers

Initial thoughts? Training up a guy with less experience? Maybe not as wedded to calling plays as we thought (though unlikely to change this year)? Giving his QB coach the opportunity to demonstrate his mastery of the offense?

[pbmax]

Initial thoughts? Training up a guy with less experience? Maybe not as wedded to calling plays as we thought (though unlikely to change this year)? Giving his QB coach the opportunity to demonstrate his mastery of the offense?

Distraction. M4 isn't giving it up. This is just a little reward for being a good team player.

[pbmax]

No way they can afford him, but a second round pick is nuts for this guy.

@AlbertBreer
The Texans did engage teams on Jadeveon Clowney some in the spring. The belief then, according to multiple clubs involved, was that he could be had for a second-round pick.

[Patler]

@WesHod
Luke Getsy will call plays against KC per Matt LaFleur #Packers
Initial thoughts? Training up a guy with less experience? Maybe not as wedded to calling plays as we thought (though unlikely to change this year)? Giving his QB coach the opportunity to demonstrate his mastery of the offense?

MM often gave up play calling for the last preseason game too, so he could focus on watching players performance without the distraction of play calling. As I recall, a few year ago, they even let Aaron Rodgers call plays for a quarter or half in the last preseason game.

[Patler]

Burks was back but in limited capacity, maybe out for stretching or warmups, but still rehabbing.

@BillHuberSI
Oren Burks said it was a partial tear of his pectoral, which is why he’ll be able to play without surgery.

@WesHod
Luke Getsy will call plays against KC per Matt LaFleur #Packers

@WesHod
Corey Linsley returned to practice today. Twelve others didn’t practice: Allen Lazard, St. Brown, Kevin King, Ibraheim Campbell, Curtis Bolton, Oren Burks, Malcolm Johnson, Kabion Ento, Greg Roberts, Cole Madison, Jimmy Graham, Reggie Gilbert #Packers


No way they can afford him, but a second round pick is nuts for this guy.

@AlbertBreer
The Texans did engage teams on Jadeveon Clowney some in the spring. The belief then, according to multiple clubs involved, was that he could be had for a second-round pick.

If they could get Clowney to agree to a contract, they could trade Smith I or Smith II plus a draft pick for him. Some might say Gary plus a draft pick

[Smidgeon]

MM often gave up play calling for the last preseason game too, so he could focus on watching players performance without the distraction of play calling. As I recall, a few year ago, they even let Aaron Rodgers call plays for a quarter or half in the last preseason game.

Wasn't that one of the Matt Flynn years?

[Bretsky]

If they could get Clowney to agree to a contract, they could trade Smith I or Smith II plus a draft pick for him. Some might say Gary plus a draft pick



If we trade Gary, his loss will make everybody better

Kinda like Michigan.. ;)

[mraynrand]

If we trade Gary, his loss will make everybody better

Kinda like Michigan.. ;)

It’s remarkable how the entire trajectory of Gary’s career has taken place all in the short span of training camp. From raw rookie to learning pro to all pro talent to a fading talent who needs to retire to make the team better. We’ve experienced it all. It’s been quite a ride, fellas. Quite a career. Sad to see him go.

[gbgary]

It’s remarkable how the entire trajectory of Gary’s career has taken place all in the short span of training camp. From raw rookie to learning pro to all pro talent to a fading talent who needs to retire to make the team better. We’ve experienced it all. It’s been quite a ride, fellas. Quite a career. Sad to see him go.

yup. smh

[gbgary]

I hope he really meant all that.

yup. but it seems like bs coach-speak to me. they've been rusty looking coming out of the gates for years...and that was with an O they all knew. how can all these leopards suddenly change their spots?

[RashanGary]

Bakh 27 - top tier talent in prime
Taylor 29 - average starter in prime
Lindsley 28 - borderline pro bowler in prime
Turner 27 - average starter or better in prime
Bulaga 30 - good starter last year or so of his prime

Nobody coming off serious injury. Everybody had a full or almost full camp working next to each other. Unlike last year where Bulaga and Taylor were recovering from serious injury and Bell/McCray was our RG.... we’re in much better shape going into this year. Plus Jenkins and Light are better than anyone we had on the bench last year. I do believe MLF when he says this veteran group has their shit together and helped him install his offense as seamlessly as he could have hoped for. Well, all the OL experience and the QB.

[Guiness]

Corey Linsley returned to practice today. Twelve others didn’t practice: Allen Lazard, St. Brown, Kevin King, Ibraheim Campbell, Curtis Bolton, Oren Burks, Malcolm Johnson, Kabion Ento, Greg Roberts, Cole Madison, Jimmy Graham, Reggie Gilbert #Packers

*sigh* this guy's never coming back, is he?

[bobblehead]

*sigh* this guy's never coming back, is he?

I imagine he will play about 15 snaps in week 2 and then get carted to the locker room. He will then play 11 snaps in week 11 before being shut down for the season.

[call_me_ishmael]

If Kevin King doesn't perform this year, it's time to call him a health bust. Man, would could have been with TJ, one of the best defenders in the NFL.

[Fritz]

I imagine he will play about 15 snaps in week 2 and then get carted to the locker room. He will then play 11 snaps in week 11 before being shut down for the season.

Wait, you forgot about week eight, where he "tries" to go, but gets pulled after the first ten snaps. THEN he rests it through the bye and week ten, THEN comes the week 11 bit.

[pbmax]

Wait, you forgot about week eight, where he "tries" to go, but gets pulled after the first ten snaps. THEN he rests it through the bye and week ten, THEN comes the week 11 bit.

^ Everyone is forgetting about the return after missing most of camp for a 4 week stretch where he is in every game and making plays (in this scenario, its Weeks 4-8) and getting everyone excited. He tweaks something late in the second half of Week 7. But he is newly tough! He starts Week 8 while listed as questionable. Then Fritz's scenario happens and his season is over.

[Fritz]

You know, if the Mike Flanagan story weren't true, I think we'd have to make it up anyway, just to provide fans with hope for oft-injured players long after it is reasonable to have hope.

[call_me_ishmael]

Remember 2010-2014 when the Packers were probably the most effective play action team in the league and seemingly could hit somebody deep on it at least once a game?

I think that will be back this year. Finally. I expect Rodgers yards per attempt to go up by virtue of play action being a legitimate home run threat again.

[MadScientist]

Remember 2010-2014 when the Packers were probably the most effective play action team in the league and seemingly could hit somebody deep on it at least once a game?

I think that will be back this year. Finally. I expect Rodgers yards per attempt to go up by virtue of play action being a legitimate home run threat again.

I'd just be happy if Packers play action plays are a legitimate completion threat again, after it being so obvious the last couple of years that defenses never bit on it.

[pbmax]

I think we could boost economic output by 2% immediately if all children were excluded by law from working the same jobs as their parents.

Arthur Arkush
OL Dejon Allen, waived in May by #Bears after spending rookie year on their practice squad, signed with the #Packers, the team announced, likely before beginning to pick his brain for all the Week 1 intel it can.

Carlos Silva
Amos can do that

David Detjen
We already got that from Amos.

Bill Huber
Amazingly, Allen is going to play tonight.
Lane Taylor in trouble?
I don’t think related. PS tryout, perhaps.


Dear Arthur, he was released on May 11th. What could he tell them?

[Radagast]

It has become crystal clear that most forum posters don't have a clue about the NEW offensive system that Mike LaFleur has brought to GB. Too many of you still post as though McCarthy never left. I did not begin to understand the difference until I started watching replays of 2018 LA Rams and Tennessee Titans games. I've mostly found them on YouTube. By using the pause to slow down the action to see the blocking/offensive sets/and passing schemes it became clear that by using the same offensive set to both run and pass, defenses were mostly unable to predict plays. Unpredictability is the Key to it.

OK, so the Rams had Gurley and the Titans had Derrick Henry, but their individual success was founded in the same type offense that GB is changing to. It could mean that Aaron Jones gets more carries in 2019 with more chances to break for big plays and scores. In addition, with opposing defenses having to respect the run more, AR should see less pressure on him when he drops back to pass. Also, many passing schemes are designed "almost like" pick plays in basketball. This can open up more plays foe Adams/MVS/and Allison to make catches. This philosophy worked well for the Rams and could have worked better for the Titans if they had had better players.

GB has the better players, especially at the QB position. What, IMO, is confusing many of you is that this is not McCarthy Football anymore and the sooner that the difference is understood the better.

Yes, AR will still have the option to audible at the line, but once all see that a 1 to 2 yd running play in the 1st qtr. is really a setup for a big pass play in the 4th qtr and that are both run out of the exact same offensive set, more will stop bitching and just watch instead. I don't expect instant miracles right off, but when this thing gets cooking, well look out league.

As for the GB Defense, I think that the word is out to produce or hit the road. That went for Matthews and Perry and Daniels as well as Josh Jones. There's a new Sheriff in town and his name is LaFleur.


:pack:

[RashanGary]

It has become crystal clear that most forum posters don't have a clue about the NEW offensive system that Mike LaFleur has brought to GB. Too many of you still post as though McCarthy never left. I did not begin to understand the difference until I started watching replays of 2018 LA Rams and Tennessee Titans games. I've mostly found them on YouTube. By using the pause to slow down the action to see the blocking/offensive sets/and passing schemes it became clear that by using the same offensive set to both run and pass, defenses were mostly unable to predict plays. Unpredictability is the Key to it.

OK, so the Rams had Gurley and the Titans had Derrick Henry, but their individual success was founded in the same type offense that GB is changing to. It could mean that Aaron Jones gets more carries in 2019 with more chances to break for big plays and scores. In addition, with opposing defenses having to respect the run more, AR should see less pressure on him when he drops back to pass. Also, many passing schemes are designed "almost like" pick plays in basketball. This can open up more plays foe Adams/MVS/and Allison to make catches. This philosophy worked well for the Rams and could have worked better for the Titans if they had had better players.

GB has the better players, especially at the QB position. What, IMO, is confusing many of you is that this is not McCarthy Football anymore and the sooner that the difference is understood the better.

Yes, AR will still have the option to audible at the line, but once all see that a 1 to 2 yd running play in the 1st qtr. is really a setup for a big pass play in the 4th qtr and that are both run out of the exact same offensive set, more will stop bitching and just watch instead. I don't expect instant miracles right off, but when this thing gets cooking, well look out league.

As for the GB Defense, I think that the word is out to produce or hit the road. That went for Matthews and Perry and Daniels as well as Josh Jones. There's a new Sheriff in town and his name is LaFleur.


:pack:

I’ve seen various cut ups of how the plays work off of each other. You described it exactly like what I’ve seen. And yes, I too think it’s a system that will work because defenses not being able to see the difference between a run and a pass, even as the play is unfolding is a huge advantage for both the run game and the pass game. Indecisive, slow reacting defenders make for offensive feasts.

Goff was quoted in saying he didn’t have enough audible answers in the Patriot game so they are evolving their offense this year to have a few more answers. I suspect the Packers offense will evolve faster and more effectively in that area because of 12 and the experience up front makes adjustments easier to enact as well.

It’s interesting, no doubt. I have similar optimism about the system.

[pbmax]

It has become crystal clear that most forum posters don't have a clue about the NEW offensive system that Mike LaFleur has brought to GB. Too many of you still post as though McCarthy never left. I did not begin to understand the difference until I started watching replays of 2018 LA Rams and Tennessee Titans games. I've mostly found them on YouTube. By using the pause to slow down the action to see the blocking/offensive sets/and passing schemes it became clear that by using the same offensive set to both run and pass, defenses were mostly unable to predict plays. Unpredictability is the Key to it.



No one is posting that way. Quote someone. We have been discussing the play action aspects since the Trimmed Eyebrow was hired. BTW

Unpredictability for the Titans yielded:

DVOA: 22nd in League

Yards: 25th

Points: 27th


Predictability for Packers yielded:

DVOA: 7th

Yards: 12th

Points: 14th


Conclusion: Front office more important than any one scheme.

[RashanGary]

No one is posting that way. Quote someone. We have been discussing the play action aspects since the Trimmed Eyebrow was hired. BTW

Unpredictability for the Titans yielded:

DVOA: 22nd in League

Yards: 25th

Points: 27th


Predictability for Packers yielded:

DVOA: 7th

Yards: 12th

Points: 14th


Conclusion: Front office more important than any one scheme.


First year offense, young QB.... this is purely a theory at this point but some of us do think defenses not knowing if it’s run or pass will make our personnel more successful than they were in the old system.

[pbmax]

First year offense, young QB.... this is purely a theory at this point but some of us do think defenses not knowing if it’s run or pass will make our personnel more successful than they were in the old system.

First year or no, the system is not enough. M4 will be doing a great job if he beats last years (Packers) numbers.

Play action is a nice organizing priciple for an offense to be constructed around. Can help with disguise and be combined with efforts to make the offense look complex to the defense but remain simple for the offense.

All good, but like any defense, its predicted on rules and teams will figure it out. Patriots did last year and flummoxed the genius head coach with a simple change in defensive coverage.

Without good personnel, you will be average with your scheme at best (see the Washington teams with both Shannys).

Without the ability to adjust (Rodgers skill), you aren't winning a Super Bowl or even getting past the Divisional Round unless you simply have an extra talented team.

[RashanGary]

First year or no, the system is not enough. M4 will be doing a great job if he beats last years (Packers) numbers.

I don’t really give the same first year break to this team. A veteran OL and QB and no rookies starting anywhere. This team should be good right now. And if some numbers lean to the run and don’t stack stats as well, I’m ok as long as it comes with wins and post season success.

[pbmax]

We mock M3 for his shortcomings, but he kept making the playoffs with a stale offense and got to a NFC Championship game with a hurt group (2016).

To be better than M3, La Fleur will need to meet his Falcons year about 8 times over.

[RashanGary]

We mock M3 for his shortcomings, but he kept making the playoffs with a stale offense and got to a NFC Championship game with a hurt group (2016).

To be better than M3, La Fleur will need to meet his Falcons year about 8 times over.

I agree M3 gets more flack than he deserved. He evolved a unique offense that fit the skillset of his generational QB perfectly. He did some really good things. He won a SB here and a ton of games.

I’m a big believer in running the ball. I’m also a big believer in passing well. But when a team can do both, i think it pays off in the post season when the top defenses are usually very good at taking one thing away.

[RashanGary]

And all of the things M3 and AR evolved together.... MLF gets to ride those coattails in some ways. He’s going to have a one of a kind, cutting edge shannahan offense thanks to ARs experience and training in the old offense.

[Bretsky]

If Kevin King doesn't perform this year, it's time to call him a health bust. Man, would could have been with TJ, one of the best defenders in the NFL.

THIS

[pbmax]

@JimOwczarski
Caught up w/ #Packers wideout J'Mon Moore. He was tidying up his locker a bit after seeing 2 targets & making 1 catch tonight.
He was quiet and didn't want to say much:
"It is what it is. I’m just ready to…whatever, man.”

I would hope that the Packer spend some time studying why some higher draft picks don't seem to work out. Would make scouting much better if its something you might see on campus.

I doubt its just mental, maybe adaptability, but if there were observable markers, would really help. I think it would be significant to bring in outside folks to find the needles in this haystack.

[Cheesehead Craig]

@JimOwczarski
Caught up w/ #Packers wideout J'Mon Moore. He was tidying up his locker a bit after seeing 2 targets & making 1 catch tonight.
He was quiet and didn't want to say much:
"It is what it is. I’m just ready to…whatever, man.”

I would hope that the Packer spend some time studying why some higher draft picks don't seem to work out. Would make scouting much better if its something you might see on campus.

I doubt its just mental, maybe adaptability, but if there were observable markers, would really help. I think it would be significant to bring in outside folks to find the needles in this haystack.

Some guys just look great in college but simply fail in the pros. Happens all the time. Look at baseball, there are guys who are labeled as AAAA types where they mash AAA but once they are called up to the show, they turn into Bob Uecker.

Perhaps he is so successful because of his athleticism and thus doesn't work on other aspects as much, thus limiting himself as a player and at the pros where everybody is as good if not better he simply doesn't know how to respond.

[pbmax]

@TomSilverstein
#Packers ILB Curtis Bolton, who seemed to have a spot on the 53-man roster, will undergo a 3rd MRI on his right knee Fri to determine if he needs surgery. Said the first 2 were inconclusive and even though some days his knee feels fine, he wasn't trying to get his hopes too high.

@ReinerOlivia
The most important news from this game: No third down foghorn.

[pbmax]

Some guys just look great in college but simply fail in the pros. Happens all the time. Look at baseball, there are guys who are labeled as AAAA types where they mash AAA but once they are called up to the show, they turn into Bob Uecker.

Perhaps he is so successful because of his athleticism and thus doesn't work on other aspects as much, thus limiting himself as a player and at the pros where everybody is as good if not better he simply doesn't know how to respond.

Sure, but baseball is often drafting high schoolers. Big difference in those 3 years. Most NFL draftees have had 3 years training and development in that minor league/NCAA system.

Should make it more predictable.

I am not suggesting that they do not care about the failure rate. Just want to know more about who is doing what.

[Sparkey]

Some guys just look great in college but simply fail in the pros. Happens all the time. Look at baseball, there are guys who are labeled as AAAA types where they mash AAA but once they are called up to the show, they turn into Bob Uecker.

Perhaps he is so successful because of his athleticism and thus doesn't work on other aspects as much, thus limiting himself as a player and at the pros where everybody is as good if not better he simply doesn't know how to respond.

“Just got the real short end of the stick,” he said. “Don’t know why. I’m not going to ask why. I’m going to be all right though, for sure. I’ll be ready. I have no doubt what it is that I can do and I’m going to do it. It’s all good.”

Seems to me, Moore lacks the self awareness needed to improve. I remember a tight end named Ed West. All the talent in the world except for the fact he couldn't catch.

[Patler]

I remember a tight end named Ed West. All the talent in the world except for the fact he couldn't catch.

I think you are confusing Ed West with someone else, Bubba Franks perhaps?

Ed West was an undrafted free agent of limited athletic ability who had a 14 year NFL career created from out-working every player brought in to replace him. Good blocker, with good hands as I recall, but very limited athletically, so never was a focus in the passing game.

Bubba Franks was a first round draft pick, much more gifted athletically, also a very good blocker. Seemed to have a lot going for him early in his career, even caught the ball well. For some reason, just a few years into his career he developed a persistent, chronic case of stone hands, fighting the ball even on easy catches. It lasted the remainder of his career.

[mraynrand]

nm

[texaspackerbacker]

@JimOwczarski
Caught up w/ #Packers wideout J'Mon Moore. He was tidying up his locker a bit after seeing 2 targets & making 1 catch tonight.
He was quiet and didn't want to say much:
"It is what it is. I’m just ready to…whatever, man.”

I would hope that the Packer spend some time studying why some higher draft picks don't seem to work out. Would make scouting much better if its something you might see on campus.

I doubt its just mental, maybe adaptability, but if there were observable markers, would really help. I think it would be significant to bring in outside folks to find the needles in this haystack.

I think it has a lot to do with choosing perceived athleticism over football instincts. I remember when Corey Linsley was drafted in the 6th round kinda as an after thought or fall back or whatever after J.C. Whatshisface was drafted 3rd or 4th - Linsley obviously has panned out a lot better.

Moore is another bundle of athleticism. Of course you could same about MVS and St. Brown but for whatever reason, they have come through better.

Regarding Bolton, maybe they are getting ready to stash him on IR and just need some medical back up.

[mraynrand]

It has become crystal clear that most forum posters don't have a clue about the NEW offensive system that Mike LaFleur has brought to GB. Too many of you still post as though McCarthy never left.

piss off

[Cheesehead Craig]

Sure, but baseball is often drafting high schoolers. Big difference in those 3 years. Most NFL draftees have had 3 years training and development in that minor league/NCAA system.

Should make it more predictable.

I am not suggesting that they do not care about the failure rate. Just want to know more about who is doing what.
My point is that perhaps there are a good number of NCAA players who are just great athletes, vs being "football players". Hence my AAAA reference. They are very good against lesser competition, but when they get to where players are their equal physically, they falter.

[Fritz]

Moore saying something about getting "the very short end of the stick" may provide a clue as to what held him back.

[pbmax]

My point is that perhaps there are a good number of NCAA players who are just great athletes, vs being "football players". Hence my AAAA reference. They are very good against lesser competition, but when they get to where players are their equal physically, they falter.

Understood. But unless its specific instances (say FCS schools) the competition should provide some film versus good opposition. More so that high school ball.

Maybe Moore missed some of the better opponents or they just weren't matched up.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Understood. But unless its specific instances (say FCS schools) the competition should provide some film versus good opposition. More so that high school ball.

Maybe Moore missed some of the better opponents or they just weren't matched up.

Baseball also gets 40 rounds for their draft.

[pbmax]

Wide zone run play, which I am assuming is a close cousin if not identical twin of outside zone. Courtesy of the Badgers and Paul Alexander.

@CoachPaulAlex
This is WIDE ZONE. The RB’s course is the “ghost” TE and the OLine uses REACH blocks. The back runs this course until color crosses his face, then he sticks his foot in the ground (1 cut) and gets NORTH. A “clinic” play here of beautiful execution by all

Video he is referencing here: https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/1167590316930678784

[pbmax]

Going to see a lot of this with Dr. Zaius, Gary and Fackrell on passing downs.

Max of 2 down lineman and a bona fide pass rusher in a 2 pt stance versus the Guard.

https://twitter.com/BrandonThornNFL/status/1142448245534265345

[mraynrand]

Going to see a lot of this with Dr. Zaius, Gary and Fackrell on passing downs.

Max of 2 down lineman and a bona fide pass rusher in a 2 pt stance versus the Guard.

https://twitter.com/BrandonThornNFL/status/1142448245534265345

"I know people want more defenders to be used this way and I agree with that, but we have to remember it likely won't look like it does with Clowney. " APRH