Official 2019 Training Camp Thread

[Joemailman]

First Practice July 25. 16 practices open to public. All practices at 10:15 AM except for Family Night and 2 practices against Texans (time TBD).

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/06/18/PAPN/5fe966bb-aa26-4aca-b6ad-b9f1de4ff1d6-PackersSchedule.PNG?width=540&height=&fit=bounds&auto=webp

[Cheesehead Craig]

Which practice is it where we lose 2 OL and a WR to knee/hammy injuries?

Also, will M4 continue tradition and call injuries "a leg", "a shoulder", etc?

[Joemailman]

Which practice is it where we lose 2 OL and a WR to knee/hammy injuries?

Also, will M4 continue tradition and call injuries "a leg", "a shoulder", etc?

All I know is, he has an achilles.

[run pMc]

Which practice is it where we lose 2 OL and a WR to knee/hammy injuries?

Also, will M4 continue tradition and call injuries "a leg", "a shoulder", etc?

Either the 3rd day (27th) or Family Night. One injury will be season-ending, the other two lingering thru camp and into the season such that players are never fully healthy or productive. Let's just hope they are all to 3rd stringers.

[MadScientist]

Which practice is it where we lose 2 OL and a WR to knee/hammy injuries?

Also, will M4 continue tradition and call injuries "a leg", "a shoulder", etc?

One of the practices with Texas, so there will be an endless debate about 'needlessly' practicing with another team.

[Fritz]

Either the 3rd day (27th) or Family Night. One injury will be season-ending, the other two lingering thru camp and into the season such that players are never fully healthy or productive. Let's just hope they are all to 3rd stringers.

Ah, we do know our Packers. Except that it will be someone who was expected to produce, and after resting the person all camp, giving vaguely hopeful updates, they'll put the guy on IR right before the start of the season.

[Radagast]

I just can't fall in step with the Negative Neds that are courting disaster. Lady Luck can also smile upon a team too.

As interesting as the new offensive system is, I more curious about GB's 2019 Defense. With Matthews and Perry and Clinton-Dix having departed, the addition Adrian Amos, Preston Smith, and ZaDarius Smith is very encouraging.

In addition, other players will be stepping up and taking on more responsibility. Safety has for some emerged as a questionable position, who starts and who plays backup will I believe be resolved at TC.

Next, Rashan Gary was drafted 1st to be an animal and get sacks. My concern is that he will get caught trying to cover a WR or TE and get severly burned. His one reason to be drafted by GB with the 12th overall pick is to rush passers and get sacks. Let's hope he will.

Finally, who will Captain the defense and make the on field adjustments as needed?



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[mraynrand]

I just can't fall in step with the Negative Neds that are courting disaster. Lady Luck can also smile upon a team too.

Keep hope alive!

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[Fritz]

I just can't fall in step with the Negative Neds that are courting disaster. Lady Luck can also smile upon a team too.

As interesting as the new offensive system is, I more curious about GB's 2019 Defense. With Matthews and Perry and Clinton-Dix having departed, the addition Adrian Amos, Preston Smith, and ZaDarius Smith is very encouraging.

In addition, other players will be stepping up and taking on more responsibility. Safety has for some emerged as a questionable position, who starts and who plays backup will I believe be resolved at TC.

Next, Rashan Gary was drafted 1st to be an animal and get sacks. My concern is that he will get caught trying to cover a WR or TE and get severly burned. His one reason to be drafted by GB with the 12th overall pick is to rush passers and get sacks. Let's hope he will.

Finally, who will Captain the defense and make the on field adjustments as needed?



:pack:

We better have hope, cuz that's all we have. There's no historical evidence that he will be able to do this at the NFL level, given that he didn't get it done in college.

[Radagast]

We better have hope, cuz that's all we have. There's no historical evidence that he will be able to do this at the NFL level, given that he didn't get it done in college.

Yes, Rashan Gary was IMO a strange pick also. A fellow can be as strong as a Bull and as fast as a Deer, but that don't make him a football player. We shall see if Mr. Gary is a boom or a bust.

[pbmax]

We should auction off jersey numbers and let fans play in the Family Night scrimmage. Would be much safer. For the team.

[Joemailman]

I just can't fall in step with the Negative Neds that are courting disaster. Lady Luck can also smile upon a team too.

As interesting as the new offensive system is, I more curious about GB's 2019 Defense. With Matthews and Perry and Clinton-Dix having departed, the addition Adrian Amos, Preston Smith, and ZaDarius Smith is very encouraging.

In addition, other players will be stepping up and taking on more responsibility. Safety has for some emerged as a questionable position, who starts and who plays backup will I believe be resolved at TC.

Next, Rashan Gary was drafted 1st to be an animal and get sacks. My concern is that he will get caught trying to cover a WR or TE and get severly burned. His one reason to be drafted by GB with the 12th overall pick is to rush passers and get sacks. Let's hope he will.

Finally, who will Captain the defense and make the on field adjustments as needed?



:pack:

Pettine has said that Gary and Za Smith won't be asked to drop into coverage much. Just enough to keep teams guessing. Preston Smith will have more coverage responsibilities, as he has in the past.

[RashanGary]

I’m gonna be interested in our third down defense this year. Because our top backups (Lancaster, Lowry and Gary) are such stout run players I imagine they’ll play more on first and second down, keeping our top 3 available for 3rd down. Our best players will play some 1st and second down as well, but damn near every 2nd or 3rd and long.

3rd down DL
Zadarius/Clark/Daniels

3rd down linebackers:
Preston/Martinez/Fackrell

I know we don’t LOVE Fackrell, but he’s in the prime of his career and will have fresh legs as a pass down specialist. I think it’s a good role for him because he can stunt off the brutes inside, drop into coverage or rush from the outside. He’s got a well rounded 3rd down skillset. Preston can do the same, but a little better rushing.

We can do all sorts of 3, 4 or 5 man rushes with these guys. Could even drop both Preston and Fackrell and bring Martinez up the gut behind Clark. Like I said, a lot of good 3 or 4 man pressure options with good coverage options behind them. You’ll never know who the fourth guy is.

This years Packer 3rd down defense is shaping up to be a force. We have quality DL. We have quality OLBs who can rush or drop. And we have the depth on early downs to make sure our best rushers are fresh.

[RashanGary]

Clark, Daniels and Zadarius are all three consistent pressure guys. The odds of stopping all three an any given pass rush down aren’t very good for the offense.

[Zool]

We better have hope, cuz that's all we have. There's no historical evidence that he will be able to do this at the NFL level, given that he didn't get it done in college.

There is historical evidence that even players who get it done in college suck ass in the NFL. Only way to know is to put on the pads and hit someone.

[pbmax]

Clark, Daniels and Zadarius are all three consistent pressure guys. The odds of stopping all three an any given pass rush down aren’t very good for the offense.

It will be interesting to see if Daniels in in any first group for pass rush. He was flat out replaced by Wilkerson last year in those sub packages.

Also, on obvious passing downs, especially 3rd down, there will only 2 DL. Some mix of Dr. Zaius/Clark or Dr. Zaius/Gary or if Gary isn't ready, Lowry.

[Zool]

Daniels is definitely living on history right now. He's nearing the end.

[mraynrand]

Daniels is definitely living on history right now. He's nearing the end.

that escalated quickly

[pbmax]

that escalated quickly

Silverstein is now calculating how much cap room the Packers could have had if they cut Daniels, Hawk and KGB at the correct time.

[texaspackerbacker]

Daniels isn't old enough to be over the hill; I don't think the injuries he's had are the type to debilitate him long term; I foresee a comeback year for him, assuming he stays fairly healthy, especially with better quality players around him. I would not put him in the same category as Hawk or KGB.

[mraynrand]

Silverstein is now calculating how much cap room the Packers could have had if they cut Daniels, Hawk and KGB at the correct time.

They couldn't have cut Hawk as a rookie

[Radagast]

I'm hoping that either Aaron Jones or Jamaal Williams will have a breakout season at RB and really put this new offense into high gear by playoff time. A high quality Running Attack is one of the best ways to keep defenses honest and off Aaron Rodgers backside.


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[pbmax]

I'm hoping that either Aaron Jones or Jamaal Williams will have a breakout season at RB and really put this new offense into high gear by playoff time. A high quality Running Attack is one of the best ways to keep defenses honest and off Aaron Rodgers backside.


:wave:

Last year, during his worst year since his first year starting, teams still lined up to stop Rodgers and the passing attack. This despite a pretty effective run game.

You are just kidding yourself if you expect, barring injury, teams to start worrying about the Packers running more than Rodgers.

[pbmax]

Speaking of which:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2838888-the-nfl-nerds-are-right-that-the-running-game-is-overrated-but-it-still-matters

[Radagast]

Last year, during his worst year since his first year starting, teams still lined up to stop Rodgers and the passing attack. This despite a pretty effective run game.

You are just kidding yourself if you expect, barring injury, teams to start worrying about the Packers running more than Rodgers.


You well know that I never said that GB's Running would eclipse Rodgers, but even Rodgers would welcome a better running attack. In fact, having any/all offensive areas to show improvement is always a good thing. Good blocking is one of the key parts of LaFleur's new offensive system and it may well prove to aid the running game and help take some of the pressure off of Rodgers.

I don't expect anything, but I would be pleased to see GB's 2019 Offense be better balanced and therefore more unpredictable moving forward.


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[MadScientist]

You well know that I never said that GB's Running would eclipse Rodgers, but even Rodgers would welcome a better running attack. In fact, having any/all offensive areas to show improvement is always a good thing. Good blocking is one of the key parts of LaFleur's new offensive system and it may well prove to aid the running game and help take some of the pressure off of Rodgers.

I don't expect anything, but I would be pleased to see GB's 2019 Offense be better balanced and therefore more unpredictable moving forward.


:flag:

Both passing and rushing last year were on the boarder between inconsistent and ineffective. Isn't that balanced enough?

I want to see an effective and efficient offense, regardless of the split. If it's 65-35, but the runs are gashes and the play action works, great. I want to see opposing defenses banged and beaten so much they have to use the meToo hashtag, and I don't give a rat's ass how they go about doing it.

[texaspackerbacker]

65-35 works for me, although 75-25 would be better.

[Radagast]

The percentage ratio of passes to runs, while relevant, is not the more important case. What is is the effectiveness of the GB ground attack. Popping those 8 and 12 yard runs make opposing teams be less likely to blitz a LB or CB or Safety. As a result, Rodgers throwing from the pocket and not having to scramble for his life is a much better way to go. Others like Brees, Goff, Ryan, and Rivers have benefited from a solid running attack. I feel good about running the same offensive system as the Rams and I'm looking forward to seeing the new GB Offense in action.

In addition, I expect that greater focus will be placed upon the O-Line and their blocking schemes in the upcoming TC. We may even see a veteran get beat out for the starters position on the line. Much will be at stake as old associations may not be enough to secure a roster slot. Also, I see players coming from other teams and trying to earn a spot on the 2019 Roster. Few will be safe this TC as the new HC and new offensive system may just be a little ruthless with building the 2019 GB Roster.


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[Teamcheez1]

For all those who wanted us to pick Jonah Williams.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/06/25/bengals-expect-jonah-williams-to-miss-season/

[Joemailman]

65-35 works for me, although 75-25 would be better.

You must hate the Packers. In Rodgers 2 best years (2011 and 2014) the Packers pass/run ratio was 58/42 and 55/45. I guess you liked last year so much (66/34) that you want that and more. Or maybe you just want to get Rodgers killed.

[run pMc]

You must hate the Packers. In Rodgers 2 best years (2011 and 2014) the Packers pass/run ratio was 58/42 and 55/45. I guess you liked last year so much (66/34) that you want that and more. Or maybe you just want to get Rodgers killed.

yeah, 35% is too low. Remember when M3 would try and run the ball with Brandon Jackson and John Kuhn 25-30 times a game? It happened in 2010. They didn't get a lot of yards but it kept things churning along. I'd expect MLF to try and be in the 55/45 neighborhood if he's as much of a run guy as people are saying.

[Radagast]

Good execution of a running game adds more than just yardage for an offense.

1. Execution of a running attack can take some of the pressure off of a QB.
2. Run plays take more time of the game clock.
3. Time of possession increases for a team with a solid running attack.
4. RBs can be rotated in/out of a game as opposing LBs substitute less and by the 4th qtr generally have slowed down.
5. Rotating offensive guards throughout a game can tire out a defensive line that substitute less.

These are a few of the advantages of a quality running game. It in no way suggest that the pass is not King. Actually a good running attack can act to help receivers get open by freezing some players for the instant needed to gain an advantage. Also if as I suspect will happen, all WRs, TEs, and RBs will be specially trained to block on pass plays following completions. Blocking will improve throughout the team and aid on Special Teams as well.

[texaspackerbacker]

You must hate the Packers. In Rodgers 2 best years (2011 and 2014) the Packers pass/run ratio was 58/42 and 55/45. I guess you liked last year so much (66/34) that you want that and more. Or maybe you just want to get Rodgers killed.

Yes, I actually did (and do) feel a degree of hate when they run it into the line on first down - sometimes second too - and waste downs, putting more pressure on the QB to make up for it on third down. It might not be quite as bad with Jones and Williams X 2 as it was with Brandon Jackson and Kuhn, but it would be a drag on the offense and would make games closer than they need to be.

Radagast, what you said could just as well be turned around - pass pass pass, setting it up for a 8 or 12 yard gash run (or maybe 30 or 40 or all the way). A good passing game can open up the D and enable runs, just as much or more than the other way around.

No way (IMO) that LaFleur pulls the crap some in here crave - run first and run often. The team isn't built that way, and he's smart enough to realize that.

[Radagast]

I never said and I never read anyone post that they felt that the Packers should run on 1st and 2nd downs. That is too predictable, but running plays from the same set for both the pass and the run does not allow a defense to target for either. Also, should Rodgers see a defensive player out of place he can audible to a different play, from that set, to take advantage of what he sees.

As I already said, the pass is King, but the running game is a teams meat and potatoes. Combined with strong screen plays where well planned blocking is key, a consistent running attack can chew up ground as well as clock. Time of possession can be the determining factor when you want to also keep the other team's offense off of the field. Every series is not going to be collection of 20+ yd passes. Mixing up a well thought out game plan will have it's long flashy plays, but the Champions know how to grind it out in the trenches as well. Remember, what looks like only a short off tackle gain in the 1st qtr may be setting up a defense for a killer screen play late in the 3rd qtr. Also, pass patterns used early in a game could and so often do condition a CB or Safety to expect one thing as the same look is presented later in the game with a different twist or turn that sees a completion for a large gain or TD.

Passing on every play as TEX suggest, would see landslide blitzes and possibly another injury to Rodgers. Don't worry, Rodgers may just have a MVP season, but even he would not discount the importance of the running game. Don't believe it, go to YouTube and watch the Saints as well as the Rams play during their reg season games last season. Their runners gave their QBs a great advantage.

[texaspackerbacker]

Did I say pass on every play? Hell No. But yes, Joe's post above among others did kinda smack of going back to McCarthy's disgusting tendency to run on early downs way too much. I suspect those percentages in 2011 and 2014 reflected getting way ahead in the game and then running clock most of the second half - also called "playing not to lose" by many McCarthy detractors.

I know this really rubs some in here the wrong way when I say it, but the Saints, Rams, Patriots, or whoever have much better offensive lines than the Packers have had in the past decade or so. I always said, it's not that I love passing so much. If the Packers were built like the Badgers - dominant O Line, outstanding runners, and a mediocre QB, I'd be right there with ya'all say run run run - first and often.

[Joemailman]

Did I say pass on every play? Hell No. But yes, Joe's post above among others did kinda smack of going back to McCarthy's disgusting tendency to run on early downs way too much. I suspect those percentages in 2011 and 2014 reflected getting way ahead in the game and then running clock most of the second half - also called "playing not to lose" by many McCarthy detractors.

I know this really rubs some in here the wrong way when I say it, but the Saints, Rams, Patriots, or whoever have much better offensive lines than the Packers have had in the past decade or so. I always said, it's not that I love passing so much. If the Packers were built like the Badgers - dominant O Line, outstanding runners, and a mediocre QB, I'd be right there with ya'all say run run run - first and often.

So your solution to having a bad offensive line is to expose the QB to more hits? To a QB who in recent years has more often than not had a significant injury resulting from hits?

Teams that throw the ball as much as you want the Packers to don't go to the Super Bowl. Actually, nobody throws the ball as much as you want the Packers to. Even the Chiefs last year, which is about as wide open as the NFL gets, were only 60/40. If you bother to look it up, you'll see that championship teams run the ball 40-46 percent of the time.

[pbmax]

Good execution of a running game adds more than just yardage for an offense.

1. Execution of a running attack can take some of the pressure off of a QB.
2. Run plays take more time of the game clock.
3. Time of possession increases for a team with a solid running attack.
4. RBs can be rotated in/out of a game as opposing LBs substitute less and by the 4th qtr generally have slowed down.
5. Rotating offensive guards throughout a game can tire out a defensive line that substitute less.

These are a few of the advantages of a quality running game. It in no way suggest that the pass is not King. Actually a good running attack can act to help receivers get open by freezing some players for the instant needed to gain an advantage. Also if as I suspect will happen, all WRs, TEs, and RBs will be specially trained to block on pass plays following completions. Blocking will improve throughout the team and aid on Special Teams as well.

Read that Tanier piece I linked to. All of this is irrelevant.

Prime Adrian Peterson wouldn't take pressure off Rodgers.

Its not good to take time off the clock when you are behind. Which, not coincidentally, explains the differences that Joe cites to rebut Tex. The reason for the disparities of run/pass in those years? When you are a good team, you get a lead, usually by passing a lot. Then in the second half, you run the ball more to eat the clock. Any insistence otherwise is confusing cause for effect.

You said somewhere that you really want to setup 8 and 12 yard runs. I would also like to setup 25 yard pass TDs, but its a little more complicated than play calling.

Winning TOP, to the limited degree that it points to the winning team, is a result of having the lead. And running the ball with the lead late.

Hard to take advantage of a tired Defense if you are down by 17 points.

With a 53 man roster and 45 game day actives, no one subs out Guards anymore.

[pbmax]

Its not running early that produces the run pass splits that Joe mentions. Its being a good team with a lead in the second half.

If you want proof that causation runs the the other way, again, I refer you to the 2014 Seattle playoff loss. Running more produced nothing but a chance for Seattle to come back.

[Joemailman]

Its not running early that produces the run pass splits that Joe mentions. Its being a good team with a lead in the second half.

If you want proof that causation runs the the other way, again, I refer you to the 2014 Seattle playoff loss. Running more produced nothing but a chance for Seattle to come back.

I don't think you have to be a good team consistently protecting leads to get a 55/45 (or thereabouts) split. After all, the league average last year was 57/43. I think you do have to be good enough to keep games close enough that maintaining a somewhat balanced offense makes sense. The Packers 2018 ratio of 66/34 was likely spurred by the fact that they had 5 games where that faced deficits of 15 or more in the 2nd half.

[Radagast]

I don't think you have to be a good team consistently protecting leads to get a 55/45 (or thereabouts) split. After all, the league average last year was 57/43. I think you do have to be good enough to keep games close enough that maintaining a somewhat balanced offense makes sense. The Packers 2018 ratio of 66/34 was likely spurred by the fact that they had 5 games where that faced deficits of 15 or more in the 2nd half.

Keep in mind that for some it does not matter even if you say that steel is hard, they must put up an argument. For them the running game is not exciting enough or takes to long to gain ground or some other clever reason. However when one wants to keep a Drew Brees or Tom Brady or Philip Rivers off of the field, it is a true advantage to have a good running game. In addition, running the ball is more sure handed in wet/cold conditions.

No matter how much logical reasoning is connected to it, some just can't see beyond their narrow views. Fortunately members like you and others are on board to help quiet the sheep down a bit.

We all know that passing is main weapon of most offenses, yet it is always good to have more than one bullet loaded and ready to fire.

[texaspackerbacker]

So your solution to having a bad offensive line is to expose the QB to more hits? To a QB who in recent years has more often than not had a significant injury resulting from hits?

Teams that throw the ball as much as you want the Packers to don't go to the Super Bowl. Actually, nobody throws the ball as much as you want the Packers to. Even the Chiefs last year, which is about as wide open as the NFL gets, were only 60/40. If you bother to look it up, you'll see that championship teams run the ball 40-46 percent of the time.

You could just run 3 times and punt, and there would be no risk at all for the QB. Risk is what brings reward, and Rodgers' escapability minimizes the risk.

I said I could live with 65-35. I suppose I could even live with 60-40 considering that our RBs are a little bit better than in the past, and that a lot of that running would be sitting on leads and running the clock. Somebody said the Packers were 66-34 last season? I expect that lousy defense (our own) had something to do with that - playing catch up. So undoubtedly the percentage of passes will go down a little bit this year.

Bottom line, though, is that I really don't expect the LaFleur offense to be radically different from what have are used to seeing. If there is improvement - and I fully expect there will be, it will be in the form of better pass patterns and hopefully more open receivers due to the deception thing. Also, of course, I expect our young receivers to be much better than last season.

[pbmax]

I don't think you have to be a good team consistently protecting leads to get a 55/45 (or thereabouts) split. After all, the league average last year was 57/43. I think you do have to be good enough to keep games close enough that maintaining a somewhat balanced offense makes sense. The Packers 2018 ratio of 66/34 was likely spurred by the fact that they had 5 games where that faced deficits of 15 or more in the 2nd half.

You can be terrible at any split. But the Packers as a pass first team look more balanced when winning than losing.

[pbmax]

This is what I am looking for:

Doug Farrah
George Kittle led all tight ends last season with 873 yards after the catch. Travis Kelce finished second with 574. Kittle benefited heavily from Kyle Shanahan's designed openings.

https://twitter.com/nfl_dougfarrar/status/1143931866485088257?s=21

[Radagast]

Bottom line, though, is that I really don't expect the LaFleur offense to be radically different from what have are used to seeing. If there is improvement - and I fully expect there will be, it will be in the form of better pass patterns and hopefully more open receivers due to the deception thing. Also, of course, I expect our young receivers to be much better than last season.


Tex, we thought that you had been keeping up, but GB is installing a NEW OFFENSE. I fully recommend that you go to YouTube and watch a few of the LA Rams games from last season. You will see the Rams run the offensive system that HC LaFleur is bringing to the Packers.While Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams are not a healthy Todd Gurley, you will see that many of the pass/run plays are run out of the same set. In addition, as some members have already pointed out, WRs will frequently line up in such a way as to avoid being blocked at the line of scrimmage Also, receivers that catch passes will get downfield (planned) blocking help from their fellow teammates. As a WR catches a pass, another WR or TE is already there to block off the WR's defender.

Like we have been saying, it is a new system and one should know what they are talking about before they get in over their heads. LaFleur ran much the same system at Tennessee last season with a less talented team. This warning has been issued to aid those that are posting without knowledge or clarity of understanding. Please, go watch some film before you post any more on this subject.


Thank You !

[Cheesehead Craig]

Yeah you bunch of ignoramuses! Get edumacated. Don't make Radagast turn this car around.

[Radagast]

Yeah you bunch of ignoramuses! Get edumacated. Don't make Radagast turn this car around.

I would not even stop for you. I'd open the side door and toss you out to see if you would bounce or not. With any luck a big truck would would catch you on your 3rd or 4th bounce.

Edumacated , perhaps you were never properly educated.

[Joemailman]

This warning has been issued to aid those that are posting without knowledge or clarity of understanding. Please, go watch some film before you post any more on this subject.


Thank You !

Aid that that I'm pretty sure nobody asked for. Lighten up, Francis.



You're Welcome!

[red]

Yeah you bunch of ignoramuses! Get edumacated. Don't make Radagast turn this car around.

he can keep going, he's the reason i don't come around much anymore

[Cheesehead Craig]

I would not even stop for you. I'd open the side door and toss you out to see if you would bounce or not. With any luck a big truck would would catch you on your 3rd or 4th bounce.

Edumacated , perhaps you were never properly educated.

You get kinda cranky when you don't get your daily fiber.

[Fritz]

So if the defense is better this year, the chances are greater that the team will have a lead in the second half, which should theoretically lead to more running plays. Thus, the key to a balanced offense is your defense.

[gbgary]

So if the defense is better this year, the chances are greater that the team will have a lead in the second half, which should theoretically lead to more running plays. Thus, the key to a balanced offense is your defense.

yup. not playing from behind would be nice thing.

[Joemailman]

Gil Brandt with a list of DB's due to break out in 2019. Jaire Alexander #1.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001034666/article/jaire-alexander-among-defensive-backs-ready-to-break-out-in-19


1) Jaire Alexander, CB, Green Bay Packers
Drafted: Round 1, No. 18 overall, in 2018.

Patriots coach Bill Belichick was among those singing Alexander's praises last season -- and the Alexander bandwagon will only get more crowded if the second-year pro makes good on his June vow to earn Pro Bowl and All-Pro honors. Alexander's confidence in himself is justified, coming off a rookie season in which he had 66 tackles, 11 passes defensed and a pick. The Packers' No. 1 cornerback should get a boost if Kyler Fackrell and free-agent signees Za'Darius Smith and Preston Smith provide the kind of pass-rush complement the Packers are expecting them to. Alexander is competitive and has ball skills, and I think we'll see him follow up his strong debut by graduating to shutdown corner status.

[run pMc]

So if the defense is better this year, the chances are greater that the team will have a lead in the second half, which should theoretically lead to more running plays. Thus, the key to a balanced offense is your defense.

Agree.

Check this one out though --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veznku2_x70

They are running the ball with Lacy in the 2nd half down 26-3. (skip to 4:30 mark)
Yeah, Flynn was the QB, but how often did M3 abandon the run last year for Rodgers to eke out a passing game with Davante, one-handed Jimmy, and a couple of rookie WRs? Plenty of blame to go around.

Running more will help, even if it's just to set up the pass. If MLF thinks going to zone running will make them successful, ok. I think Jones and Dexter can do it; not sure about Jamaal but I'm interested to see.

[Joemailman]

So if the defense is better this year, the chances are greater that the team will have a lead in the second half, which should theoretically lead to more running plays. Thus, the key to a balanced offense is your defense.

The key to remaining in a balanced offense is staying close in games. You don't necessarily have to be ahead. Being down by 7 points in the 2nd half shouldn't force you to abandon the run. Being down by 20 might. Sure, having a good defense can help create situations where you can stay in a balanced offense, but having a balanced offense can also help prevent your defense from getting worn out as the game progresses.

[Radagast]

The key to remaining in a balanced offense is staying close in games. You don't necessarily have to be ahead. Being down by 7 points in the 2nd half shouldn't force you to abandon the run. Being down by 20 might. Sure, having a good defense can help create situations where you can stay in a balanced offense, but having a balanced offense can also help prevent your defense from getting worn out as the game progresses.

I couldn't agree more. Close games are more common than runaways. If GB is leading by 10 or more in the last ten minutes of a game then the odds are in GB's favor to win. That should be true, but there was a time when GB would go into that prevent defense and nearly lose or actually lose football games. We as fans would be pulling our hair out over allowing a team back into the game and with good reason. I just hope that with McCarthy gone , so will go those 4th qtr prevent defenses too. I can only see doing that with a big lead and less than a minute to play, but I still won't like it.

As for a better running attack, it's not flashy or as exciting as the passing attack, but it can sure come in handy on rainy days or snowy days or windy days. No, old school fundamentals aren't highlight material, but the best teams most always have a respectable running game. RB's don't always take over a game, but how soon we forget that 6 yd run in the 2nd qtr that got the 1st down and saved the series that scored the TD where we took the lead.

[texaspackerbacker]

The key to remaining in a balanced offense is staying close in games. You don't necessarily have to be ahead. Being down by 7 points in the 2nd half shouldn't force you to abandon the run. Being down by 20 might. Sure, having a good defense can help create situations where you can stay in a balanced offense, but having a balanced offense can also help prevent your defense from getting worn out as the game progresses.

Actually, the key to having a balanced offense in terms of percent of running and passing plays is getting way ahead with the passing game, and then running some clock - that will fatten up the percentage of runs to where some of you guys want it hahahahaha.

Radagast, all this "new offense" crap notwithstanding, just watch ...... LaFleur will be smart enough to subordinate his ego to doing what works, and the Packers will ride Aaron Rodgers' passing and a greatly upgraded defense all the way to the Super Bowl. The "new offense" will consist of better pass patterns, maybe more throws to RBs, some motion and misdirection to confuse defenses, but NOT the quick haphazard throw-it-into-coverage crap that some in here seem to want. Aaron Rodgers is simply better than that.

[pbmax]

So if the defense is better this year, the chances are greater that the team will have a lead in the second half, which should theoretically lead to more running plays. Thus, the key to a balanced offense is your defense.


yup. not playing from behind would be nice thing.

Also helps to score early.

[ThunderDan]

Also helps to score early.

The year after the Super Bowl, I think we had the best run D or close to the best simply because we put up so many points on O the next season and teams were trying to catch up hurling the rock all over the field.

[run pMc]

The year after the Super Bowl, I think we had the best run D or close to the best simply because we put up so many points on O the next season and teams were trying to catch up hurling the rock all over the field.

Might have to check other years, but looking at 2011 it was clear they were being carried by their offense -- 2nd highest % of drives ended in a score combined with 2nd lowest TO% will do that. Their defense was pretty bad -- mostly because teams were throwing so much to try and keep up but overall the D took a step back. Maybe that's when teams started to figure Dom out. Last in pass defense, ouch.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2011/opp.htm

[Radagast]

First Practice July 25. 16 practices open to public. All practices at 10:15 AM except for Family Night and 2 practices against Texans (time TBD).

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/06/18/PAPN/5fe966bb-aa26-4aca-b6ad-b9f1de4ff1d6-PackersSchedule.PNG?width=540&height=&fit=bounds&auto=webp


To begin with, thank you Joemailman for posting the complete TC schedule. With the Texans at TC and as opponents in the first Preseason game should serve well for both teams. Having the practices and the game can supply both teams with a great positive tool to evaluate players with. The videos alone can help show both weaknesses and strengths. A revealing early picture of player performance can result in a better 53 man roster in September.

IMO, the showdown with the Texans only matters as an evaluation of players. Yes, winning the game would be nice, but in the end the player performance grades will be more important than the final score of the game.

[pbmax]

Might have to check other years, but looking at 2011 it was clear they were being carried by their offense -- 2nd highest % of drives ended in a score combined with 2nd lowest TO% will do that. Their defense was pretty bad -- mostly because teams were throwing so much to try and keep up but overall the D took a step back. Maybe that's when teams started to figure Dom out. Last in pass defense, ouch.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2011/opp.htm

Packer D ranked 5th in fewest running attempts faced, 14th in yardage surrendered. I think that is what he is referring to.

[Radagast]

One can't deny cold hard statistical facts. For some they are the basis for every post they make. They see %s and bottom line totals as a fact parade that can't be questioned. The numbers don't lie they say or this ranking proves their stance on a story or area of a team's success/failure. Yes, one just can't dispute those carefully gathered and processed sports facts.

I especially like the statistics that measure a players heart. How it gages a player's/team's intestinal fortitude to carry on when all seems lost. The way it records how smart/dumb a player is compared to his piers playing the same position for other teams. Also lets not forget the tenacity factor that shows a players willingness to not ever quit on a play and weather they keep giving their all until the whistle blows. Lucky for us that we can turn to such records to back up opinions or theories.

What's that, there is no statistic that measures a players heart. Too bad as it's an important intangible that some coaches evaluate better than others. Fans sometime think they can rate a players heart without ever having meet them. So we must take care to not rest our entire arguments strictly upon numbers that don't always tell the entire story.

[mraynrand]

Feelings don't care about your facts

[pbmax]

When facts and feelings collide:

Patrick Claybon @PatrickClaybon
Reminder: the sports culture of the team you are a fan of is simply better than other teams. Your players try extra hard as *true* champions


Patrick Claybon @PatrickClaybon
Some teams win based on talent, execution, and great injury luck.

Your team though? It’s the narrative arc of Mighty Ducks 2 every year

[bobblehead]

Daniels isn't old enough to be over the hill; I don't think the injuries he's had are the type to debilitate him long term; I foresee a comeback year for him, assuming he stays fairly healthy, especially with better quality players around him. I would not put him in the same category as Hawk or KGB.

Physical freaks last longer. Daniels is small and not overly gifted. He likely will disappear quickly and without fan fare. The end is near...I'm just hoping its a year away when his contract expires.

[mraynrand]

Physical freaks last longer. Daniels is small and not overly gifted. He likely will disappear quickly and without fan fare. The end is near...I'm just hoping its a year away when his contract expires.

Maybe fans will give him bus fare for the common man when he leaves.

[bobblehead]

Last year, during his worst year since his first year starting, teams still lined up to stop Rodgers and the passing attack. This despite a pretty effective run game.

You are just kidding yourself if you expect, barring injury, teams to start worrying about the Packers running more than Rodgers.

PB, did you watch the Carolina game when they brought Rodgers back too soon in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs? We had CRUSHED teams with the run in his absence. This despite having Hundly as our QB. First game back fat mike called something like 12 run plays the entire game and nearly got ARod killed.

I look very forward to seeing an effective ZBS that opens things up and keeps our D off the field...and not just because I want to say I told you so.

Ryan Grant said after he left GB "Washington spends more practice on the run game in one day than GB spends in a week"

[bobblehead]

Speaking of which:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2838888-the-nfl-nerds-are-right-that-the-running-game-is-overrated-but-it-still-matters

I could write a book shredding that article but I will just say those same "analytics experts" also think every team should cut the punter and use all 4 downs.

[bobblehead]

Its not running early that produces the run pass splits that Joe mentions. Its being a good team with a lead in the second half.

If you want proof that causation runs the the other way, again, I refer you to the 2014 Seattle playoff loss. Running more produced nothing but a chance for Seattle to come back.

Again, a horrible analogy. I could point to 10 things wrong with that game. And yes, running into the teeth of a D that has a 9 man front is stupid...no matter the score.

[mraynrand]

... those same "analytics experts" also think every team should cut the punter and use all 4 downs.

These same guys were in charge of the Browns for a few years. And few wins too.

[pbmax]

PB, did you watch the Carolina game when they brought Rodgers back too soon in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs? We had CRUSHED teams with the run in his absence. This despite having Hundly as our QB. First game back fat mike called something like 12 run plays the entire game and nearly got ARod killed.

I look very forward to seeing an effective ZBS that opens things up and keeps our D off the field...and not just because I want to say I told you so.

Ryan Grant said after he left GB "Washington spends more practice on the run game in one day than GB spends in a week"

There were a lot of problems with Rodgers in that game. That is a tough one to parse, Rodgers threw the ball terribly. And when they predictably fell behind ....

I would love to have an effective ground game. But even if the new RG is Logan Mankins (or John Hannah) I expect good before I see great. And even then I still don't expect teams to take their eyes of Rodgers. Maybe the new coach changes that.

Ryan Grant might have a point, but he has been trying to get a media job for a while, so like Butler, he is an ex-player in search of exposure. I am not sure how much emphasis alone will improve the product. We will see.

[pbmax]

I could write a book shredding that article but I will just say those same "analytics experts" also think every team should cut the punter and use all 4 downs.


No legit guys say cut the punter. But many legitimate one's claim teams are too conservative with 4th down calls. Even actual NFL coaches have been listening to that.

[pbmax]

These same guys were in charge of the Browns for a few years. And few wins too.

The Process™ isn't really analytics. Or at its best, its very incomplete. Its just a way to accumulate draft capital. It has no plan to transition to playing winning football.

However, I believe, as Cleveland may demonstrate this year, that a 3-5 year Process™ might be preferable to the 10 year Be Terrible™ plan that the 49ers and Seahawks attempted before they got good with Hairball and Nanobubbles.

[texaspackerbacker]

Physical freaks last longer. Daniels is small and not overly gifted. He likely will disappear quickly and without fan fare. The end is near...I'm just hoping its a year away when his contract expires.

I disagree. There's probably a lot of exceptional cases both ways, but a solid steady not overly gifted guy can go on for a long time because he's used to excelling without the gifts. Let some freaky athlete lose a step, and he doesn't know how to cope. I'm having a hard time coming up with examples. Dez Bryant might be one of the freaks. Almost any long long term O Lineman you can name might be an example of the slow and steady type - Uncle Bruce Matthews comes to mind.

Daniels is small? Short, yeah, but not all that small as D Linemen go. I think he has a bounce back year if he is healthy.

[Radagast]

I disagree. There's probably a lot of exceptional cases both ways, but a solid steady not overly gifted guy can go on for a long time because he's used to excelling without the gifts. Let some freaky athlete lose a step, and he doesn't know how to cope. I'm having a hard time coming up with examples. Dez Bryant might be one of the freaks. Almost any long long term O Lineman you can name might be an example of the slow and steady type - Uncle Bruce Matthews comes to mind.

Daniels is small? Short, yeah, but not all that small as D Linemen go. I think he has a bounce back year if he is healthy.


The Packer's. like so many other teams knows that they will loose starting O-linemen to injury or the FA market or for other varied reasons. That is why they draft or recruit FAs that can be trained to step up on a moments notice if needed. Granted backups are not starters, but some do play well enough to earn a starting position on their own. GB has been a prime example of this strategy and appear to be continuing the policy moving forward. The $64 million question is will GB's backup O-linemen will be capable of stepping in especially if the Packers are headed toward a playoff run in 2019. Can Beluga's backup step into his shoes and not miss a beat?

[RashanGary]

PB, did you watch the Carolina game when they brought Rodgers back too soon in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs? We had CRUSHED teams with the run in his absence. This despite having Hundly as our QB. First game back fat mike called something like 12 run plays the entire game and nearly got ARod killed.



Every where McCarthy has gone it’s been balanced run/pass. Including Green Bay when AR is not QB. You sure that’s MMs game plan or is it AR taking the game into his own hands and ignoring the game plan like so many reports indicate.

You and I see the same problem. We attribute it to different people. If the same thing happens now, gonna have to start believing the reports that AR does whatever he wants, no?

[texaspackerbacker]

I believe it ....... and I'm all for it.

[pbmax]

Every where McCarthy has gone it’s been balanced run/pass. Including Green Bay when AR is not QB. You sure that’s MMs game plan or is it AR taking the game into his own hands and ignoring the game plan like so many reports indicate.

You and I see the same problem. We attribute it to different people. If the same thing happens now, gonna have to start believing the reports that AR does whatever he wants, no?

Everywhere he has gone? New Orleans with Aaron Brooks (which is approaching 20 years ago)? San Fran with a rookie Alex Smith?

Then 13 years with a hall of fame QB. Yep, apples to apples comparison right down the line.

[Rutnstrut]

Daniels isn't old enough to be over the hill; I don't think the injuries he's had are the type to debilitate him long term; I foresee a comeback year for him, assuming he stays fairly healthy, especially with better quality players around him. I would not put him in the same category as Hawk or KGB.



You are right Daniels can't be put in the same category as Hawk. Hawk was dependable and on the field to contribute. Daniels does more posturing and talking than he does actually contributing.

[Rutnstrut]

Every where McCarthy has gone it’s been balanced run/pass. Including Green Bay when AR is not QB. You sure that’s MMs game plan or is it AR taking the game into his own hands and ignoring the game plan like so many reports indicate.

You and I see the same problem. We attribute it to different people. If the same thing happens now, gonna have to start believing the reports that AR does whatever he wants, no?




Even if it is Rodgers changing the plays. Stubby should have had the balls to reign AR in a bit.

[RashanGary]

Even if it is Rodgers changing the plays. Stubby should have had the balls to reign AR in a bit.

Now we find out if anyone else can. 12 calls the plays.

[bobblehead]

I disagree. There's probably a lot of exceptional cases both ways, but a solid steady not overly gifted guy can go on for a long time because he's used to excelling without the gifts. Let some freaky athlete lose a step, and he doesn't know how to cope. I'm having a hard time coming up with examples. Dez Bryant might be one of the freaks. Almost any long long term O Lineman you can name might be an example of the slow and steady type - Uncle Bruce Matthews comes to mind.

Daniels is small? Short, yeah, but not all that small as D Linemen go. I think he has a bounce back year if he is healthy.

2 freaks that really come to mind. Darrell Green and Julius Peppers. I could list a hundred though. But guys like James Jones that got by on savvy...well, when they lose a step its too much to overcome.

[RashanGary]

2 freaks that really come to mind. Darrell Green and Julius Peppers. I could list a hundred though. But guys like James Jones that got by on savvy...well, when they lose a step its too much to overcome.

http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-had-eye-on-iowas-daniels-v856dj0-149394375.html/

[RashanGary]

4.86 40 yard dash and 36.5” vertical is elite for a guy 292lbs.

Mike Daniels is 30 years old. He was injured last year and had a down year. I would expect him to work harder than ever on his body, including flexibility so he can have a strong, healthy contract year. I expect monster years out of Daniels and Clark inside especially now with the edges being pressed more consistently.

[pbmax]

You are right Daniels can't be put in the same category as Hawk. Hawk was dependable and on the field to contribute. Daniels does more posturing and talking than he does actually contributing.

If dependable means being blocked, late to the play and chasing the ball 10 yards down the filed, sure.

Hawk had 1.5 to 2 good years where he was a lightning fast Will LB who then got hurt. I don't even remember what the injury was. But that injury and the move inside in a 3-4 where he was the thumper, made him less than pedestrian.

[Joemailman]

4.86 40 yard dash and 36.5” vertical is elite for a guy 292lbs.

Mike Daniels is 30 years old. He was injured last year and had a down year. I would expect him to work harder than ever on his body, including flexibility so he can have a strong, healthy contract year. I expect monster years out of Daniels and Clark inside especially now with the edges being pressed more consistently.

He'll work hard, but he's now a 310 pound 30 year old guy coming off a foot injury. There's a real chance he is on a downward trend. The good news is that with the depth on the defensive line, the Packers can probably reduce his snaps which could help. He's in a contract year, so he'll have plenty of motivation. This may be his last year with the Packers though. Dean Lowry is also in a contract year, and the Packers will want to extend Kenny Clark. Youth will be served.

[mraynrand]

The Process™ isn't really analytics. Or at its best, its very incomplete. Its just a way to accumulate draft capital. It has no plan to transition to playing winning football.

However, I believe, as Cleveland may demonstrate this year, that a 3-5 year Process™ might be preferable to the 10 year Be Terrible™ plan that the 49ers and Seahawks attempted before they got good with Hairball and Nanobubbles.

Sure. Numbers not identical to process, but broadly referring to the idea of getting so caught up in your 'plan' and/or analytics that you forget there's an actual game being played with real people and real fans who can only be expected to take so much before they lose faith. Still, Browns fans never lose faith; they have the patience of Job, and they hope this season is Chapter 42.

[mraynrand]

If dependable means being blocked, late to the play and chasing the ball 10 yards down the filed, sure.

Hawk had 1.5 to 2 good years where he was a lightning fast Will LB who then got hurt. I don't even remember what the injury was. But that injury and the move inside in a 3-4 where he was the thumper, made him less than pedestrian.

Wasn't it a hip? Just killed whatever mobility he had. Hawk making an actual impact play was so rare, he had to flip people the bird to acknowledge it.

[bobblehead]

4.86 40 yard dash and 36.5” vertical is elite for a guy 292lbs.

Mike Daniels is 30 years old. He was injured last year and had a down year. I would expect him to work harder than ever on his body, including flexibility so he can have a strong, healthy contract year. I expect monster years out of Daniels and Clark inside especially now with the edges being pressed more consistently.

Again...physical freak incorporates size into the mix. He is short for an NFL lineman. His athleticism was such that as a 22 year old he had great movement at such a high weight for a guy his height. At 30, not so much.

Edit: But don't completely misunderstand me. I think he might have a year or 2 left before the decline gets really noticeable. Just saying he is near the end. We aren't resigning him after this year. I hope we can get a last good year from him. Or if things break right, trade him for a 4th to someone who needs DL help this year.

[RashanGary]

36.5” vert is ridiculous for a guy 292. He just turned 30. He still has most of his explosion and had a ton of experience and technique to go with it.

I agree to move on from him because it’s gonna diminish soon and the price is high. But for one year, the last year or so of his prime, Daniels can be an absolute beast.

I still think graham has one more big year in him too.

[Radagast]

Some sites show Adams, Clark, and Daniels as GB's 3 starting defensive linemen. Lowery, Lancaster, and Gary are listed as their backups.

I was under the impression that Gary was to Play the OLB position when the coaches had enough confidence to play him (even as a 3rd down rusher). However I find Gary listed as Daniels backup.

So my question is, will Gary be a Linebacker or a Down Lineman? Did I somehow miss something somewhere or is still trying to figure out how to use this #1 Draft pick?

[RashanGary]

Some sites show Adams, Clark, and Daniels as GB's 3 starting defensive linemen. Lowery, Lancaster, and Gary are listed as their backups.

I was under the impression that Gary was to Play the OLB position when the coaches had enough confidence to play him (even as a 3rd down rusher). However I find Gary listed as Daniels backup.

So my question is, will Gary be a Linebacker or a Down Lineman? Did I somehow miss something somewhere or is still trying to figure out how to use this #1 Draft pick?

They list him as a LB on Packers.com. Since he was drafted, the team has said he’ll play both spots. In OTAs he’s played both spots. There has been no mention of that changing.

[run pMc]

As with ZaDarius Smith, Gary will be listed as an OLB, but get some snaps on the DL

[run pMc]

Are we comparing Daniels to Hawk? Seems apples to oranges to me -- different draft expectations, different positions on D, etc.

Both have had productive careers, although I'd say Daniels has made more splash plays while Hawk was more of a steady glue guy.
Daniels has made the Pro Bowl and been an alternate 3 times; Hawk was a 2 time alternate.

My goodness, I just saw Hawk's combine numbers. Sure didn't seem like he played to them.

[wist43]

Some sites show Adams, Clark, and Daniels as GB's 3 starting defensive linemen. Lowery, Lancaster, and Gary are listed as their backups.

I was under the impression that Gary was to Play the OLB position when the coaches had enough confidence to play him (even as a 3rd down rusher). However I find Gary listed as Daniels backup.

So my question is, will Gary be a Linebacker or a Down Lineman? Did I somehow miss something somewhere or is still trying to figure out how to use this #1 Draft pick?

The Smiths and Gary are all interchangeable rovers.

I've been screaming for this type of 3-3 personnel forever.

Saw an article online somewhere asking the question if the pack should extend Fackrell and Martinez... I want to see upgrades over both those guys.

Gute gets it... he whiffed on Burks, but other than that he's rejuvenated the defensive front.

[mraynrand]

The Smiths and Gary are all interchangeable rovers.

I've been screaming for this type of 3-3 personnel forever.

Yes you have. We all noticed. But they'll run a lot of 2-4 just to keep your BP up.

[pbmax]

The Smiths and Gary are all interchangeable rovers.

I've been screaming for this type of 3-3 personnel forever.

Saw an article online somewhere asking the question if the pack should extend Fackrell and Martinez... I want to see upgrades over both those guys.

Gute gets it... he whiffed on Burks, but other than that he's rejuvenated the defensive front.

I'll never be able to forget Gute drafting Clark.

Wait, I meant I won't be able to remember it since it never happened.

[pbmax]

Yes you have. We all noticed. But they'll run a lot of 2-4 just to keep your BP up.

He also missed the 3-3 nickel last year.

But Rashan Gary and two Smiths have really perked him up.

[pbmax]

Packers should just immediate hire Paul Alexander (whatever it takes to lure him out of retirement) and let him help.

https://twitter.com/CoachPaulAlex

[mraynrand]

Packers should just immediate hire Paul Alexander (whatever it takes to lure him out of retirement) and let him help.

https://twitter.com/CoachPaulAlex

Did you do your independent hands pass pro drills today?

[pbmax]

Did you do your independent hands pass pro drills today?

Still working on walking and chewing gum simultaneously.

[mraynrand]

Still working on walking and chewing gum simultaneously.

what about SPRIGGS™?

[RashanGary]

I’ve seen some positive things about Montravius Adams and Lancaster lately.

Lancaster’s athletic pro day numbers were better than Clark’s combine numbers for one. But Clark was almost three years younger at the time so Clark’s numbers probably got better while Lancaster’s are probably a more legit representation. Regardless, Lancaster is an athlete. But it sounds like he’s kept all of his power and added explosion and foot quickness. That is exiciting considering he was already solid as a rookie.

Coach Montgomery said Adams has learned how to be a pro and is in the shape he needs to be in this year. Clark mentioned Adams as an improved player this year. And he has flashed.

To have both Lancaster and Adams step forward as quality depth, that helps the depth after Clark, Daniels and Lowry. It also makes moving on from Daniels next year less worrisome. But for the here and now, it’s exciting to be able to rotate our guys in and out and be fresh into the 4th quarter. Might have a top 5 defense. Never know!

[wist43]

He also missed the 3-3 nickel last year.

But Rashan Gary and two Smiths have really perked him up.

I didn't miss it... and we were much improved defensively (which isn't saying much) - even with inferior personnel.

If you had your way Dunderdummy would still be our DC, and TT would be spitting on the Smiths and Amos.

[Radagast]

I didn't miss it... and we were much improved defensively (which isn't saying much) - even with inferior personnel.

If you had your way Dunderdummy would still be our DC, and TT would be spitting on the Smiths and Amos.


Ok then wist43, let's pretend that you were given full authority over the Packers Defense as of the end of the 2018 reg. season. Your powers include hiring/firing of any coaches/players as you please. You do not have any authority over any other part of the team, just the defense.

This is your shot to be a bigshot, GO !

[wist43]

Ok then wist43, let's pretend that you were given full authority over the Packers Defense as of the end of the 2018 reg. season. Your powers include hiring/firing of any coaches/players as you please. You do not have any authority over any other part of the team, just the defense.

This is your shot to be a bigshot, GO !

You're coming to this argument too late my friend.

Been arguing with these bastards on here about defense for over 13 years, and 3-4 years before that over at the JS site.

I got what I wanted this year, and specifically named P. Smith and Amos as my targets. I wanted Z. Smith as well, but thought he'd be too expensive. Was glad when Gute signed him.

And FYI, I was the original builder of the Fire Dunderdummy Bandwagon.

[Radagast]

You're coming to this argument too late my friend.

Been arguing with these bastards on here about defense for over 13 years, and 3-4 years before that over at the JS site.

I got what I wanted this year, and specifically named P. Smith and Amos as my targets. I wanted Z. Smith as well, but thought he'd be too expensive. Was glad when Gute signed him.

And FYI, I was the original builder of the Fire Dunderdummy Bandwagon.


I never asked for your resume', but a post where you could define your vision of a #1 Packer Defense. Do they currently have all of your elements / players now or will you still be crying halfway through this season? It's easy to sway with the prevailing breeze , but are you willing to post your vision now and stand by it as the season passes on?

As for that I've been around here longer than you crap, that is complete crap. Post your vision of a #! Packer Defense, if I agree I'll say so. If I don't I'll tell you why too. It's put up or shut up time, Draw Mister.

[RashanGary]

Radagast, you’re coming into a group with a lot of history so we all know what wist believes. In 15 years wist has given his opinions as straight as they can be given. He’s been wrong, primarily when we won the SB with 2-4 nickel defense, and we all rubbed his face in it for like 5 years. And he’s been right a whole bunch too. Ornery bastard knows his football.

He likes physical football. He believes in winning the run game in the trenches and affecting the QBs head. Smith, Smith, Amos and Gary all bring physical presence so he’s feeling good about the direction. I’m sure John Dorsey in Cleveland and Schneider in Seattle feel good about their direction too so we all know only one can win it. At the end of the day, if we have a top 10 defense with this group, Wist gains forum clout. If we have a top 5 defense, he can come in and rub in how right he was all along. Now, if we’re big and slow and get beat up with speed, and don’t improve, then he loses clout.

As a Packer fan, I’m rooting for Wist on this one.

Radagast, as a long time member, I’m glad you’re here and breaking your way in. You have a strong, stubborn personality. That’s what it takes to survive here. It would take a bunch of beer filled nights to fill you in on all of our history, but you can pick it up in context too. Again, glad you’re here and you bring your own stubborn style so you add to the group too!

[Radagast]

Radagast, you’re coming into a group with a lot of history so we all know what wist believes. In 15 years wist has given his opinions as straight as they can be given. He’s been wrong, primarily when we won the SB with 2-4 nickel defense, and we all rubbed his face in it for like 5 years. And he’s been right a whole bunch too. Ornery bastard knows his football.

He likes physical football. He believes in winning the run game in the trenches and affecting the QBs head. Smith, Smith, Amos and Gary all bring physical presence so he’s feeling good about the direction. I’m sure John Dorsey in Cleveland and Schneider in Seattle feel good about their direction too so we all know only one can win it. At the end of the day, if we have a top 10 defense with this group, Wist gains forum clout. If we have a top 5 defense, he can come in and rub in how right he was all along. Now, if we’re big and slow and get beat up with speed, and don’t improve, then he loses clout.

As a Packer fan, I’m rooting for Wist on this one.

Radagast, as a long time member, I’m glad you’re here and breaking your way in. You have a strong, stubborn personality. That’s what it takes to survive here. It would take a bunch of beer filled nights to fill you in on all of our history, but you can pick it up in context too. Again, glad you’re here and you bring your own stubborn style so you add to the group too!


Thank you wist43, O wait ...

History aside, I challenged wist43 to post his utopian defensive squad. Instead I get another well meaning member posting in his stead. The information, while informative can't stand as a substitute for wist43 himself. Dumping an insulting opinion on anyone/anything without also putting forth the reason behind it is both course and arrogant.

As for me I also like a physical defense, but a one dimensional defense lends itself to being slashed and cut up by a team with better speed. For that reason I like very fast players in the secondary that can both hit and tackle well. Yes headhunting is illegal, yet if a Safety can get in a receivers head he can slow him down the millisecond needed to block/intercept footballs.

I've never liked "clicks" that band together to support even those that don't deserve it. I value friendship as much as the next guy, but I'd never presume to answer for another. One of my things is to ask others for their views before I offer my own, but making condemning statements and not backing it up is both mean and lazy.

[wist43]

I never asked for your resume', but a post where you could define your vision of a #1 Packer Defense. Do they currently have all of your elements / players now or will you still be crying halfway through this season? It's easy to sway with the prevailing breeze , but are you willing to post your vision now and stand by it as the season passes on?

As for that I've been around here longer than you crap, that is complete crap. Post your vision of a #! Packer Defense, if I agree I'll say so. If I don't I'll tell you why too. It's put up or shut up time, Draw Mister.

The reason I didn't give you an expanded answer is b/c I simply don't have time these days.

In previous years on this site I worked fairly regular hours and didn't have kids. Now I run a small business and have 3 kids under 10.

I used to play golf every day, now I'm lucky if I play once a month. Last year I played twice all year.

Just don't have the time, but I've been here a long time; so, I contribute my opinion when I can.

[wist43]

Thank you wist43, O wait ...

History aside, I challenged wist43 to post his utopian defensive squad. Instead I get another well meaning member posting in his stead. The information, while informative can't stand as a substitute for wist43 himself. Dumping an insulting opinion on anyone/anything without also putting forth the reason behind it is both course and arrogant.

As for me I also like a physical defense, but a one dimensional defense lends itself to being slashed and cut up by a team with better speed. For that reason I like very fast players in the secondary that can both hit and tackle well. Yes headhunting is illegal, yet if a Safety can get in a receivers head he can slow him down the millisecond needed to block/intercept footballs.

I've never liked "clicks" that band together to support even those that don't deserve it. I value friendship as much as the next guy, but I'd never presume to answer for another. One of my things is to ask others for their views before I offer my own, but making condemning statements and not backing it up is both mean and lazy.

What "condemning statement"?? You're pretty mouthy for a newb... you mean like that??

And it's "cliques", not "clicks".

[mraynrand]

What "condemning statement"?? You're pretty mouthy for a newb... you mean like that??

And it's "cliques", not "clicks".

more clique bait from Wist

[Cheesehead Craig]

more clique bait from Wist

Damn that's funny.

[Radagast]

What "condemning statement"?? You're pretty mouthy for a newb... you mean like that??

And it's "cliques", not "clicks".

I've been a member here for almost 3 years and insulting me by calling me a newb is a huge pile of crap. You and others just use that as a way to intimidate newer members, but it don't work on me. A family and business are valid reasons to spend less time on post and posting. It does not however excuse poor behavior by you or others. Also, being allowed to be a harsh and uncivil poster by this site and simply because you have longevity here, makes me wonder how you treat your children/employes (if any). Yes, I've read much worse in this forum from others and was offended by them as well, but you just placed the last straw on that ole camel's back.

Dunderdummy and inferior personal references, while not that severe, are unsupported unless you state why/who in a rational way. A few extra lines would accomplish it nicely. The extra 90 seconds required would probably not cost that much interference with the rest of your life.

Last, I never won any spelling bees, but I do use a spell check program. I consistently overlook the misspelling of others and don't use it as a weapon to lash out at them, so why do you ?

If you can harness your emotions, I'd still like to read your views on the perfect Packer Defense. Chances are that I'd agree with most of your views, maybe. Perhaps you could think about it a few days and formulate a post about the Packer Defense that can stand as your way to build it into a great Defense.

[RashanGary]

Radagast,

I came and tried to welcome you. Wist was short, and it sounds like he had his reasons. I was trying to help you feel welcome and give some context into some of our long lasting discussions so you wouldn’t feel like such an outsider and wouldn’t feel brushed off. I was acting out of consideration for you as a newer poster. Even three years is a newer poster from a lot of our perspectives. Shit, I haven’t heard from Patler in a while and I’ve seen him for so many years I start to wonder if he’s alright. That’s how long I’ve seen these guys around here, and i don’t care about most people other than my closest of close so it’s actually a shocker for me to give a shit.

I really don’t think anyone is bullying you. Nor is anyone purposely trying to make anyone an outsider. If anything, we’re filling you in and talking our usual shit.

You seem to have a very dry and emotionless demeanor. That will work for some. For others, that’s gonna be boring and they’re gonna pass you over. Same way you pass over people who show emotion.

[Radagast]

Radagast,

I came and tried to welcome you. Wist was short, and it sounds like he had his reasons. I was trying to help you feel welcome and give some context into some of our long lasting discussions so you wouldn’t feel like such an outsider and wouldn’t feel brushed off. I was acting out of consideration for you as a newer poster. Even three years is a newer poster from a lot of our perspectives. Shit, I haven’t heard from Patler in a while and I’ve seen him for so many years I start to wonder if he’s alright. That’s how long I’ve seen these guys around here, and i don’t care about most people other than my closest of close so it’s actually a shocker for me to give a shit.

I really don’t think anyone is bullying you. Nor is anyone purposely trying to make anyone an outsider. If anything, we’re filling you in and talking our usual shit.

You seem to have a very dry and emotionless demeanor. That will work for some. For others, that’s gonna be boring and they’re gonna pass you over. Same way you pass over people who show emotion.

I recognised the civility or your post and it pleased me. Thank you, but wist43, even with all his responsibilities found the time to post to this thread. While some find it admirable to serve as a second in others matters, there are times when an uninvited 3rd party is not company, but a crowd.

As for my demeanor, I'm as pleasant as I'm treated. All too often I do find that good manners and morals has unpleasantly shrank and the sad truth is too many see no problem as they also can't boast any better character themselves. Perhaps I am a Don Quixote, but how low are we to sink as a nation before we become as bad as those that we currently look down on.

Now, with the Draft and some FA acquisitions the Packers may have the personal in place to surprise many with a top tier Defense in 2019. The rest of the team's success will depend much upon a new offensive system that will require good execution and the gain experience of some young WRs and RBs. Let us have reasonable expectations and not be blinded by a fans eagerness for victory. Some speak of history, but where were they in the 70s and 80s when things were lean and others ruled the division. Patience and persistence are the current watchwords as the Packers grow through the upcoming season to be a feared playoff team.

[Zool]

I recognised the civility or your post and it pleased me. Thank you, but wist43, even with all his responsibilities found the time to post to this thread. While some find it admirable to serve as a second in others matters, there are times when an uninvited 3rd party is not company, but a crowd.

As for my demeanor, I'm as pleasant as I'm treated. All too often I do find that good manners and morals has unpleasantly shrank and the sad truth is too many see no problem as they also can't boast any better character themselves. Perhaps I am a Don Quixote, but how low are we to sink as a nation before we become as bad as those that we currently look down on.

Now, with the Draft and some FA acquisitions the Packers may have the personal in place to surprise many with a top tier Defense in 2019. The rest of the team's success will depend much upon a new offensive system that will require good execution and the gain experience of some young WRs and RBs. Let us have reasonable expectations and not be blinded by a fans eagerness for victory. Some speak of history, but where were they in the 70s and 80s when things were lean and others ruled the division. Patience and persistence are the current watchwords as the Packers grow through the upcoming season to be a feared playoff team.

Wowzers. Woody's second account is in rare form right now.

[pbmax]

what about SPRIGGS™?

There is always hope.

[pbmax]

I didn't miss it... and we were much improved defensively (which isn't saying much) - even with inferior personnel.

If you had your way Dunderdummy would still be our DC, and TT would be spitting on the Smiths and Amos.

I don't think Dom was against FA or defensive draft picks.

Maybe he tries to make Gary a slot CB who blitzes, but he would have been happy to try.

[pbmax]

As for that I've been around here longer than you crap, that is complete crap

Is this a common way to say I am older than you?



Draw Mister.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1cIrFFWgAQAbBp.jpg

[George Cumby]

Wowzers. Woody's second account is in rare form right now.

Ha!

[RashanGary]

Ha!

I’ve been too lazy to figure out how to do a reputation comment in 13 years. But I gave my first positive reputation comment on that one, :lol:

[texaspackerbacker]

Wowzers. Woody's second account is in rare form right now.

Is there any truth to that - the Radagast = Woody thing? I guess you as a moderator are in a position to know, right, Zool?

[pbmax]

Coach Paul Alexander not universally beloved: https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2018/10/30/18042516/what-the-firing-of-paul-alexander-means-for-the-future-of-the-dallas-cowboys

[Joemailman]

13 days until training camp. Light at the end of the dead zone tunnel.

[Joemailman]

1 week. Our long national nightmare is...still here.

[mraynrand]

1 week. Our long national nightmare is...still here.

Let me tell you a few high school jokes to kill the time....

[RashanGary]

Sooo boring! I might make a second account and troll the board with clear personal biases toward people and then lecture people for not being nice and fair to me.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Sooo boring! I might make a second account and troll the board with clear personal biases toward people and then lecture people for not being nice and fair to me.

Wait, you're not Patler?

[pbmax]

Wait, you're not Patler?

Who you calling Patler?

[bobblehead]

I've been a member here for almost 3 years and insulting me by calling me a newb is a huge pile of crap. You and others just use that as a way to intimidate newer members, but it don't work on me. .

Wait....did you just say you aren't a newb and follow it by saying we are trying to intimidate you because you are a newb?

Edit: Rad, we could use your petulance and righteous indignation over in FYI. I promise you will be eviscerated no matter what you post over there, right, left or center. There is no mercy...its kinda Cobra Kai on steroids!!

[Joemailman]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/22/report-packers-s-darnell-savage-needed-wisdom-teeth-pulled/?utm_source=smg&utm_medium=wasabi&utm_content=home-herohttps://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/22/report-packers-s-darnell-savage-needed-wisdom-teeth-pulled/?utm_source=smg&utm_medium=wasabi&utm_content=home-hero

Darnell Savage placed on non-football illness list after having wisdom teeth removed.

[pbmax]

[URL="https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/22/report-packers-s-darnell-savage-needed-wisdom-teeth-pulled/[/URL]

Darnell Savage placed on non-football illness list after having wisdom teeth removed.

Completely selfish behavior not to get this taken care of during his own time.

[smuggler]

Completely selfish behavior not to get this taken care of during his own time.

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

[pbmax]

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

Very.

But it is like he called an audible too.

[Joemailman]

Very.

But it is like he called an audible too.

Hardly. It's all in the minds of a few media troublemakers and fans who swallow what they spew.

[mraynrand]

Completely selfish behavior not to get this taken care of during his own time.

Seems like MORE wisdom, not less, was needed here.

[Upnorth]

Completely selfish behavior not to get this taken care of during his own time.

I'm so glad you use your power for good, not evil

[Radagast]

Dental problems can be unpredictable at best. Savage may have believed that his Wisdom Tooth problem could wait until a more convenient time. However such things all to often follow Murphy's Law rather than waiting for a more choice time.

That said, while it is hard luck for Savage and the Packers at this time, it may just turn out that dealing with a dental issue now is better than during the regular season. Following his dental work, Savage may not be able to preform physically for a while, but following a day or so should be able to attend meetings and video training sessions. He may be a little behind, but I'm sure that he will recover and emerge better than before this minor interruption in his TC experience.

Good Luck Mr. Savage and I hope you have a speedy recovery.


:pack:

[pbmax]

Seems like MORE wisdom, not less, was needed here.

Why are we discarding wisdom? We need more of it. We should be husbanding it. There is always room for more.

[Zool]

Why are we discarding wisdom? We need more of it. We should be husbanding it. There is always room for more.

Do you think he went in at 2:30?

[mraynrand]

Anyone attending the shareholder's meeting tomorrow? I already sent in my proxy.

[MadScientist]

Dental problems can be unpredictable at best. Savage may have believed that his Wisdom Tooth problem could wait until a more convenient time. However such things all to often follow Murphy's Law rather than waiting for a more choice time.

That said, while it is hard luck for Savage and the Packers at this time, it may just turn out that dealing with a dental issue now is better than during the regular season. Following his dental work, Savage may not be able to preform physically for a while, but following a day or so should be able to attend meetings and video training sessions. He may be a little behind, but I'm sure that he will recover and emerge better than before this minor interruption in his TC experience.

Good Luck Mr. Savage and I hope you have a speedy recovery.


:pack:

It's also possible he didn't get things checked until after OTC, and they discovered then that the wisdom teeth had to go. Then they just slotted him in when they had an opening. Dentist schedules aren't always convenient.

The real concern is if he takes the Oxycontin that they probably prescribed, because fucking dentists give ~5 times what they should and suggest a schedule heavy enough to get addicted.

[Zool]

Dentist schedules aren't always convenient.

Or clairvoyant.

[pbmax]

Do you think he went in at 2:30?

I feel bad for leaving Zool hanging, but a day late I still cannot get the reference or joke here.

[Zool]

I feel bad for leaving Zool hanging, but a day late I still cannot get the reference or joke here.

Tooth hurty

[pbmax]

Tooth hurty

There I go, overcomplicating it again.

[pbmax]

Its a QB camp, and its 2 minutes of fluff, but I still haven't seen La Fleur take command of the entire picture. From a pure selfish, Packers perspective, I wish he had yelled at a Shanahan or reduced a HS QB to tears.

https://twitter.com/MikeSilver/status/1153851224938209284

[pbmax]

@CaptAndrewLuck

Dearest mother —
I have safely arrived at Camp to begin basic training. Betwixt counting birds during the day and stars at night, the journey felt short. My sidearm is polished. My uniform is crisp. My neckbeard: full. The new campaign has officially begun. Exhilarated.
— Andrew

[pbmax]

This post is at least PG-13.

https://twitter.com/_wifi_ty_/status/1153778522625847297?s=21

Judging by the blue color I think that is the Kobalt Orbital Sander. But can’t tell if it’s 12 or 18 volts.

Also look to see Jets lanyard on night table. Favre might be back in town :D

[RashanGary]

I’m there. Some hotties in short shorts are out and about.

10-12 years ago or whatever it was, I watched Sitton rip his helmet off and beat Brady Poppinga with it because poppinga tackles a running back. Was intimidating actually. Right in front of me. Could see the sweat dripping off his beard as he beat poppingas ass.

[Joemailman]

Rob Demovsky
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@RobDemovsky
Packers coach Matt LaFleur's injury update:

Mason Crosby: calf.
Josh Jackson: foot.
Dexter Williams: illness.
Darnell Savage Jr.: wisdom teeth.

LaFleur said none are long-term concerns



S Josh Jones working as ILB with first nickel.



Tom Silverstein
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@TomSilverstein
Kevin King and Jaire Alexander working with 1s at CB. Tramon Williams working nickel. Josh Jackson not practicing.



Ryan Wood
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@ByRyanWood
With rookie safety Darnell Savage Jr unable to practice today, Raven Greene is getting first-team reps alongside Adrian Amos. Would indicate Greene is third at the position at the start of camp.




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Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood
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With rookie safety Darnell Savage Jr unable to practice today, Raven Greene is getting first-team reps alongside Adrian Amos. Would indicate Greene is third at the position at the start of camp.

Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood
Montravius Adams continuing to get first-team reps alongside Kenny Clark and Dean Lowry on the DL. A continuation from the spring, but more real with Mike Daniels no longer here. #Packers need him to step up big.



Tom Silverstein
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@TomSilverstein
No surprises on OL. Starters are Bakhtiari, Taylor, Linsley, Turner and Bulaga. Second line is Spriggs, Patrick, McCray, Jenkins and Light.


dicate Greene is third at the position at the start of camp.


Ryan Wood
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@ByRyanWood
With Raven Greene dropping back to replace Savage today, Josh Jones filled his spot as hybrid LB/safety. Greene was the hybrid this spring, when Jones was not participating. It’ll be interesting to see how the dominoes fall when Savage returns.



Ryan Wood
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@ByRyanWood
Seeing a lot of fullback in the #Packers offense, same as the spring. Life looking good for Danny Vitale right now. Seems that position is making a return.



Rob Demovsky
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@RobDemovsky
Sam Ficken handled all the field goals with Mason Crosby not practicing and it was a rough start. Missed from 39 and 43 yards wide right and finished 4 for 6. It was into the wind but against no defense.



Andy Herman
@SconnieSports
Aaron Jones motions out wide which gives them Jones and Graham to one side and MVS, Allison, and Adams to the other side. Queue @DustyEvely excitement.



Ryan Wood
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@ByRyanWood
Aaron Rodgers’ first interception of camp comes against Blake Martinez in red zone drill. Didn’t read the LB underneath, threw it straight to him. Nice play for Martinez. A tackling machine, next step in his development is causing more turnovers.



Ryan Wood
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@ByRyanWood
DeShone Kizer, whose throwing struggles from the spring have continued today, airmailed a pass to double coverage in middle of the field. Natrell Jamerson deflected the pass to CB Chandon Sullivan for an interception. Jake Kumerow, the intended WR, never had a chance.



Andy Herman
@SconnieSports
Rashan Gary with a “sack” of Tim Boyle against Alex Light. Rashan Gary makes things look really really easy sometimes. Doesn’t feel like a rookie at all.

Blitz not picked up, Kizer gets it out hot, receiver stumbles but takes it in for the TD. I think Baylis..

[pbmax]

Packer Report
Rodgers with TDs to Allison and Kumerow to end red zone.

Probably audibles.

[Joemailman]

Packer Report
Rodgers with TDs to Allison and Kumerow to end red zone.

Probably audibles.

https://thabto.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/are-you-causing-trouble.png

[Fritz]

Packer Report
Rodgers with TDs to Allison and Kumerow to end red zone.

Probably audibles.


D'ya think ol' Aaron goes out of his way to help the fellas he'd like on the team...?

[pbmax]

https://thabto.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/are-you-causing-trouble.png

Who me?

I am not the one with explaining to do :lol:

Talk to the poster who orders a #4 Combo Meal at McDonalds and when they ask if there is anything else, says:

"Aaron Rodgers ego is too big to call run plays".

[pbmax]

D'ya think ol' Aaron goes out of his way to help the fellas he'd like on the team...?

Probably. Look at the career Janis has fashioned for himself once he got out of Rodgers shadow and ridiculous standards.

And we all know Rodgers hates running backs, even if he lobbies for them to get more playing time.

[esoxx]

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@RobDemovsky
Packers coach Matt LaFleur's injury update:

Mason Crosby: calf.
Josh Jackson: foot.
Dexter Williams: illness.
Darnell Savage Jr.: wisdom teeth.

LaFleur said none are long-term concerns

So Crosby has a calf, Jackson has a foot, Williams has a illness, and Savage has a wisdom tooth.

Wait, can we still say that if they've been removed?

[Cheesehead Craig]

So Crosby has a calf, Jackson has a foot, Williams has a illness, and Savage has a wisdom tooth.

Wait, can we still say that if they've been removed?

I think it would fall under "he has a mouth"

[mraynrand]

I think it would fall under "he has a mouth"

That’s more descriptive of Damarius Randall

[MadScientist]

If Corey Grant makes the team and Will Redmond doesn't, they should give Grant #25. That way all the people who have old jerseys can be up to date again.

[run pMc]

Rashan Gary with a “sack” of Tim Boyle against Alex Light. Rashan Gary makes things look really really easy sometimes. Doesn’t feel like a rookie at all.
That's encouraging, even if it was against Alex Light.

[RashanGary]

That's encouraging, even if it was against Alex Light.

Game over. I win. Gary for the HOF. Fuck you internet :lol:

[pbmax]

Let's see him get by SPRIGGS™!

[wist43]

So if Jones is at nickel LB, does that mean they've completely given up on Burks, aka the worst football player on the planet??

[bobblehead]

Let's see him get by SPRIGGS™!

If Spriggs stonewalls him I won't be able to decide between excitement and complete disappointment.

[pbmax]

If Spriggs stonewalls him I won't be able to decide between excitement and complete disappointment.

An unproven force against a movable object.

[Joemailman]

Definitely sounding like Kizer with the early lead in the backup QB battle.



Matt Schneidman
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@mattschneidman
David Bakhtiari vs. Za’Darius Smith in 1-on-1s. Advantage Bak. There’s a reason he’s All-Pro first team.





Ryan Wood
✔
@ByRyanWood
Hell of a pass from DeShone Kizer, placing a fade pass perfectly down left sideline. Good grab by J’Mon Moore, plucking the football over Ka’Dar Hollman’s helmet and staying inbounds. Two guys who want to flash more. Pretty impressive.



Ryan Wood
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@ByRyanWood
Speaking of arm strength, Aaron Rodgers rockets a pass past a diving Kevin King to Geronimo Allison. Touchdown. Not sure how Rodgers fit the football in there. After the play, Rodgers stood back and flexed his right bicep.



Ryan Wood
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@ByRyanWood
#Packers offense as a whole, and backup QB DeShone Kizer especially, is having its best day of camp. Kizer hit Jake Kumerow in the numbers on a slant pass for another TD in red zone.

73
11:39 AM - Jul 27, 2019



Tom Silverstein
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@TomSilverstein
Rodgers slinging it in third and goal drill. Threw TDS to Aaron Jones, Robert Tonyan and Jimmy Graham from 10, 6 and 4 yards. Tonyan with one-hand grab.



Andy Herman
@SconnieSports
Overall I’ve been really impressed by the first 3 days of practice with Matt LaFleur. Solid pacing, smart transitions, everything had a purpose and you could see improvement over three days. It’s better than I would have ever expected from a rookie head coach in his 1st camp.

[Joemailman]

So if Jones is at nickel LB, does that mean they've completely given up on Burks, aka the worst football player on the planet??

Um...no. :lol::pack:

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/27/watch-packers-lb-oren-burks-produces-int-during-training-camp-drill/?utm_source=smg&utm_medium=wasabi&utm_content=home-hero

[pbmax]

Um...no. :lol::pack:

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/27/watch-packers-lb-oren-burks-produces-int-during-training-camp-drill/?utm_source=smg&utm_medium=wasabi&utm_content=home-hero

Burks-mentum.

[pbmax]

Best thing I have read all summer.

@PackerReport
Trevor Davis on jet sweep with Jimmy Graham leading excellent blocking.

@PackerReport
With my abacus handy, I has Scott with 56.5 average and 4.44 of hang time on 11 punts.

[pbmax]

@ByRyanWood
#Packers DL Kenny Clark said he got a chance to speak with Mike Daniels on the phone after yesterday’s release. Clark said he mostly just thanked Daniels for the example he set.

Just asked Clark what he learned from Daniels and hopes to carry forward. His answer was expansive.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAWIHGPUwAE95nB?format=jpg&name=small

[pbmax]

Sounds like there are two different jobs inside this defense. Safeties filling one, Burks with another?

Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood
With Raven Greene dropping back to replace Savage today, Josh Jones filled his spot as hybrid LB/safety. Greene was the hybrid this spring, when Jones was not participating. It’ll be interesting to see how the dominoes fall when Savage returns.

@ByRyanWood
Montravius Adams continuing to get first-team reps alongside Kenny Clark and Dean Lowry on the DL. A continuation from the spring, but more real with Mike Daniels no longer here. #Packers need him to step up big.

@ByRyanWood
#Packers punter JK Scot got 11 reps vs. rush. Had the wind at his back, and used it well:

48 yards, 4.05 seconds hang
38, 3.80
62, 4.46
60, 4.86
60, 4.65
51, 4.02
63, 4.46
55, 4.58
61, 4.80
62, 4.38
59, 4.58
Avg: 56, 4.42

[mraynrand]

Burks-mentum.

Burks is just happy the Patriots are not in the NFC

[pbmax]

Burks is just happy the Patriots are not in the NFC

That is the part of Belichick I admire most. He sees a weakness, boom, twenty plays into that weakness. Its being a D coordinator that lets him recongnize a player who is lost or slow to recognize.

M3 had the same attack attitude, but it was formation and personnel group based. He did not study players on defense like Cheat does. So M3 seems Cover 3 bail (single high safety and almost pressing corners in single coverage outside) and he is throwing deep. Takes the better part of a half to recognize that its not working.

[Joemailman]

With the start of full pads today, maybe we'll start to get some reporting on the running game. With the conversion to an outside zone blocking scheme, the running game is going through as much a change as the passing game.

[pbmax]

At least it’s new injuries under the new regime

JimO JSO
Here early, Alex Light & Adam Pankey get second team looks at LT & RT for the #Packers

[pbmax]

JimO JSO
#Packers LB Rashan Gary also has support on his right arm in full pads. He had support during the rookie camp as well.

[RashanGary]

Gary really impressed in one-on-one drill. Beat tackle Yosh Nijman with a speed move outside, then beat LG Lane Taylor with a power move inside. Easy to see Gary’s athletic explosion in that drill.</p>&mdash; Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood)

[RashanGary]

In 11-on-11, Rashan Gary just came free on an inside stunt and, I kid you not, I haven’t seen a guy that big run that fast since Julius Peppers. Shot from a cannon. Would have been an easy sack. My goodness.

[Joemailman]

Ryan Wood
✔
@ByRyanWood
A great rep in WR/CB one-on-one drills by Kevin King against Jake Kumerow. Stayed with Kumerow on a double move, faking the fade and going to a dig. King broke up the pass. Example of what King can do when healthy, and why it’s so important for him to be on the field.




Ryan Wood
✔
@ByRyanWood
Trevor Davis also with a great rep, shaking Javien Hamilton on a post-to-sideline move. Wide open but pass a little outside. Davis has to dive and was able to tap both feet inbounds before going out. Impressive.



Ryan Wood
✔
@ByRyanWood
Dexter Williams really showing some patience as a runner. Great job following his blockers a good 10 yards downfield on the perimeter. Did a good job of letting an inside run develop yesterday. Pretty impressive for a rookie.



Ryan Wood
✔
@ByRyanWood
Two really good reps from Cole Madison in one-on-one drills, standing up Tyler Lancaster twice. Madison’s first fully padded practice since stepping away from football last year.





Ryan Wood
✔
@ByRyanWood
#Packers rookie Rashan Gary really impressed in one-on-one drill. Beat tackle Yosh Nijman with a speed move outside, then beat LG Lane Taylor with a power move inside. Easy to see Gary’s athletic explosion in that drill.



Ryan Wood
✔
@ByRyanWood
In 11-on-11, Rashan Gary just came free on an inside stunt and, I kid you not, I haven’t seen a guy that big run that fast since Julius Peppers. Shot from a cannon. Would have been an easy sack. My goodness.



Tom Silverstein
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@TomSilverstein
In team drill, guard Billy Turner put a walloping trap block on OLB Preston Smith to open up a big hole for Aaron Jones.



Tom Silverstein
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@TomSilverstein
A difference in LaFleur’s first pads practice from McCarthy’s is the physicality early on. McCarthy used half-line run drill to get players in a lather. More focus on 11 on 11s from the start with La Fleur.



Ryan Wood
✔
@ByRyanWood
LaFleur’s practices have been shorter in time than Mike McCarthy’s. He’s carried this format from past teams. “I think we can get the work we need to get some in a shorter period of time.” Says evening walkthroughs are important to supplement some practice work..

[Joemailman]

Watch out for Dexter Williams. He was a 6th round pick only because off the field issues limited his playing time at Notre Dame. He needs to stay out of trouble, but if he does he's every bit as talented as Aaron Jones.

[RashanGary]

How do you insert quotes like that, joemailman?

[RashanGary]

Gary, Hollman, Turner, Zadarius, Dexter Williams, Kevin King, kumero all making some splashes early!

[RashanGary]

Larry McCarren impressed with Alex Light, an UDFA from last year. Sounds like his LT reps have been solid. We might finally be done with Spriggs! And it will make moving on from Bulaga next year easier too! Cole Madison looking like a quick learner too. The OL is looking promising.

[mraynrand]

Good sign from Cole Madison since Lancaster is pretty strong. Maybe Cole will not be just finesse.

[Joemailman]

How do you insert quotes like that, joemailman?

Click on wrap function at the far right which lools like a caption box and insert text.

[pbmax]

In 11-on-11, Rashan Gary just came free on an inside stunt and, I kid you not, I haven’t seen a guy that big run that fast since Julius Peppers. Shot from a cannon. Would have been an easy sack. My goodness.

But remember
Ryan Wood
Important caveat: Gary wasn’t blocked. Makes a big difference. But from purely a speed/athletic perspective, wow. That was pretty rare.

[RashanGary]

Pass rush one on ones mostly in favor of the offense so far, except Clark who beat Lindsey once and Gary who destroyed Spriggs once, beat him again and then beat Lane Taylor inside. Plus Gary has had a couple team period sacks, one where his speed was off the charts on a stunt.

Zadarius in backfield a lot in team drills but stymied by Bakh twice in one on ones.

Hollman working his way up quickly into playing time. Would be great to have a quality rookie cover guy added to Alexander and King.

Larry McCarren impressed with Alex Light and Cole Madison. That fairs well for the OL moving forward.

King playing at a very high level. 7lbs heavier. Doesn’t look so feeble/skinny.

Looks like a competent veteran interior back end of our defense developing. Martinez (ILB), Amos (Box safety) and Tramon (Nickle.) All of that experience and savvy in the middle zones should allow Pettine to open up the playbook.

A few things to be excited about so far!

[RashanGary]

Dexter Williams starting to splash too.

So there’s some good news so far. No serious injuries. Lafleur seems to be bringing the offense together and AR seems to be getting comfortable in it. I’m liking the camp so far. Losing Daniels the only ouchy so far.

[pbmax]

Pass rush one on ones mostly in favor of the offense so far,

snip

and Gary who destroyed Spriggs once, beat him again

Where did you see this and when did it happen?

[Upnorth]

As to Light and Madison looking good so far, who have they matched against? and which d are they playing against? If against the 1's, then im happy, if against the 2's well lets wait and see.

[pbmax]

Here it is:


Andy Herman
@SconnieSports
·
Jul 26
Fackrell with a little pressure vs Light.

Keke loses rep 1, better rep 2.

Patrick gets the best of Lancaster twice.

Jenkins and Looney with a good battle 2x.

Gary is so damn good. Spriggs no chance. ������

Spriggs does better rep 2 but Gary powers through it.

[pbmax]

Andy Herman
@SconnieSports

Covers most of the one on one matchups Dline versus Oline. But he tweets a ton so you have to dig. I have not seen anyone post totals to date.

[Joemailman]

Quote Originally Posted by JustinHarrell
In 11-on-11, Rashan Gary just came free on an inside stunt and, I kid you not, I haven’t seen a guy that big run that fast since Julius Peppers. Shot from a cannon. Would have been an easy sack. My goodness.


But remember


Ryan Wood
Important caveat: Gary wasn’t blocked. Makes a big difference. But from purely a speed/athletic perspective, wow. That was pretty rare.

Another important caveat: Having a defender running free to the QB regularly is something Pettine tries to accomplish by confusing blocking schemes. This was not just a screwup in practice that you'll never see in a game. Actually, just having Gary with a 1 on 1 matchup with a Guard on an inside rush would be a advantageous situation for the Packers. I watch a game film of him against OSU, and usually when he took an inside rush he got double-teamed. Teams won't be able to do that against the Packers.

[pbmax]

Another important caveat: Having a defender running free to the QB regularly is something Pettine tries to accomplish by confusing blocking schemes. This was not just a screwup in practice that you'll never see in a game. Actually, just having Gary with a 1 on 1 matchup with a Guard on an inside rush would be a advantageous situation for the Packers. I watch a game film of him against OSU, and usually when he took an inside rush he got double-teamed. Teams won't be able to do that against the Packers.

Absolutey. And having Gary be a physical freak is all the better if he gets a free lane. He might actually close the deal or force an early throw.

[Cheesehead Craig]

You're getting me excited for Gary. I tend to not jump on the TC or preseason hype trains, but it's getting difficult with him not to.

[pbmax]

NFL Point of Emphasis, one of two this off-season, includes a technique called the lobster block, which is common on the backside of zone plays.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27282277/nfl-officials-emphasize-offensive-holding-19

[bobblehead]

One big advantage of physical practices with talented rosters is that the games aren't so "sudden". M3 pissed all over himself in this regard. The tweet about the physicality difference between camps before and now says it all.

[pbmax]

You're getting me excited for Gary. I tend to not jump on the TC or preseason hype trains, but it's getting difficult with him not to.

Just keep chanting he is from Michigan, will bust and had 5 more sacks than you did in the last 3 years. Its working for me so far.

[pbmax]

@RobDemovsky
Packers camp report, Day 4

�� Rashan Gary, 4-1 in the 1-on-1 drill so far
�� Jason Spriggs drops out after one good practice
�� LaFleur not into long practices
��Players off Monday, free to do what they choose

Full report on ESPN: https://t.co/ZaiYw0N9fm?amp=1

[pbmax]

From the Demovsky link, Larry King style ... :


Packers training camp practice No. 4 news and notes: 1) First-round pick Rashan Gary has already started to flash some of the special athleticism that made him the No. 1 recruit coming out of high school in the class of 2016. He ripped off wins in the 1-on-1 on drill both inside from the 3-technique (against starting LG Lane Taylor) and outside (albeit against rookie Yosh Nijman, who won the second rep). He has a 4-1 record so far in the drill. Gary also appeared to have a sack from the inside on a stunt during a team period. “The one thing that I really like that he’s shown is just the effort that he plays with,” said coach Matt LaFleur. ...

2) Cole Madison, who missed all of his rookie season last year while staying at home to treat his mental well-being, showed power in the 1-on-1 drill. He stoned burly defensive tackle Tyler Lancaster in a pair of reps. ...

3) Rookie RB Dexter Williams showed some patience and explosiveness on a couple of runs – one on Saturday up the middle and one on Sunday on an outside zone run. However, the sixth-round pick from Notre Dame, can get into trouble sometimes because of it. “I think Dexter’s starting to learn what this league’s all about because early on he was really struggling at pressing things and was looking to cut back,” LaFleur said. “If you pitter-patter in the hole at this level, you’re hit in the backfield, and that’s something we’re going to continue to harp on him.” ...

4) If Mike McCarthy was criticized for running a soft training camp, then what will be said about LaFleur’s first two padded practices, which went 1:40 and 1:51? To be sure, LaFleur holds 45-minute evening walk-throughs that the media and public are not privy to, but last year’s first full-pads practice under McCarthy went 2:41. It was one of five practices that lasted more than two-and-a-half hours. “The places I’ve been, I think we can get the work that needs to be done in a shorter period of time,” LaFleur said. ...

SOFT!

5) Jason Spriggs did not practice on Sunday because of a trapezius muscle injury. Just when it seemed like Spriggs had made progress with a solid practice – he had filled in on Saturday for starting right tackle Bryan Bulaga, who returned after a veteran’s day off – this happens. Don’t be surprised if Alex Light takes a roster spot away from Spriggs as a backup swing tackle. QB Tim Boyle also returned after missing Saturday for a personal matter. ...

6) RB Darrin Hall, claimed off waivers on Saturday, did not make to Green Bay in time for practice. ...

7) Players are off on Monday, but the Packers will make available to the media offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett, defensive coordinator Mike Pettine and special teams coordinator Shawn Mennenga.

[pbmax]

Injuries as of Sunday's practice:

@PackerReport
That leaves Crosby, Savage, J Williams, new RB Darrin Hall, J Jackson, Donnerson, Roberts, Springs and F Brown. Assume Hall is en route.

@PackerReport
Spriggs new to injury report with trapezius

[pbmax]

Here is the full Montravius quote:

https://www.packers.com/news/pettine-if-guys-are-quiet-it-s-a-problem

[pbmax]

Jim Owczarski
@JimOwczarski
#Packers GM Brian Gutekunst says how much, if at all, Aaron Rodgers and the No. 1 offense plays in the preseason will be Matt LaFleur’s call but there are daily discussions on the matter.

So I am guessing they will play more, but not much past a quarter. Couple series each game through Game 3. Gute isn't involved to tell the HC they need the starters out there more.

[bobblehead]

4) If Mike McCarthy was criticized for running a soft training camp, then what will be said about LaFleur’s first two padded practices, which went 1:40 and 1:51? To be sure, LaFleur holds 45-minute evening walk-throughs that the media and public are not privy to, but last year’s first full-pads practice under McCarthy went 2:41. It was one of five practices that lasted more than two-and-a-half hours. “The places I’ve been, I think we can get the work that needs to be done in a shorter period of time,” LaFleur said. ...

SOFT!:

But it was reported they were MUCH more physical than years past. And he runs a lot more 11 on 11 instead of 7 on 7....imagine that. More closely simulating what you might actually do on sunday as a way to prepare. I think we will be ok. I would bet that injuries occur at the 2:20 mark when guys are fatigued and mailing it in.

[pbmax]

@ByRyanWood
Gutekunst says Josh Jones has had a promising start to camp, likes the #Packers safety's skillset: "I think there are some really positive signs that he can help our football team."

@JimOwczarski
#Packers GM Brian Gutekunst on joint practices with the #Texans - “It allows your ones to take valuable reps against another team without exposing your QB to injury. That’s really valuable.”

@LilySZhao
The #Packers won’t have live tackling during training camp, as stated previously by Matt LaFleur.
GM Brian Gutekunst: “There’s maybe sometimes where there’s opportunistic times to do it, but getting into September healthy is our main priority.”

Hmmm.

@PeteDougherty
No new injuries today. Still out: Savage, Jamaal Williams, Jackson, Donnerson, Roberts (PUP), Spriggs and Brown.

@mikespofford
On right, that’s OLBs Za’Darius Smith & Rashan Gary spending some time with the D-line in drills at #PackersCamp, another indication they will be lining up on the interior in certain packages.

[pbmax]

@PeteDougherty
Most notable thing from 1 on 1 pass rush, Z Smith beat Bakhtiari on both reps with inside moves. Bakhtiari rarely loses

SPRIGGSIAN™

[Fritz]

@ByRyanWood
Gutekunst says Josh Jones has had a promising start to camp, likes the #Packers safety's skillset: "I think there are some really positive signs that he can help our football team."

@JimOwczarski
#Packers GM Brian Gutekunst on joint practices with the #Texans - “It allows your ones to take valuable reps against another team without exposing your QB to injury. That’s really valuable.”

@LilySZhao
The #Packers won’t have live tackling during training camp, as stated previously by Matt LaFleur.
GM Brian Gutekunst: “There’s maybe sometimes where there’s opportunistic times to do it, but getting into September healthy is our main priority.”

Hmmm.

@PeteDougherty
No new injuries today. Still out: Savage, Jamaal Williams, Jackson, Donnerson, Roberts (PUP), Spriggs and Brown.

@mikespofford
On right, that’s OLBs Za’Darius Smith & Rashan Gary spending some time with the D-line in drills at #PackersCamp, another indication they will be lining up on the interior in certain packages.


Spriggs hurt again, eh? Well, with all the increased security at airports these days, perhaps he can find employment as an airport turnstile once he's finally, mercifully, released. Or get a work visa in Spain and become a bullfighter. Ole!

[pbmax]

Spriggs hurt again, eh? Well, with all the increased security at airports these days, perhaps he can find employment as an airport turnstile once he's finally, mercifully, released. Or get a work visa in Spain and become a bullfighter. Ole!

If it weren't for injuries, Ted and the Packers would've had some dominant OL and DL combos for the last 6 years.

#caveats
#APRHnot

[pbmax]

@ProFootballTalk
Matt Millen, Greg Olsen will call games for FOX this season

Sometimes I am convinced people who run TV are out of ideas. Matt Millen was last relevant as a broadcaster and a lesser-Madden in, what, 1997?

I understand turning the broadcasts into a stars gallery for the reluctant viewer, but who the hell is tuning in to see Millen? There aren't that many people in Whitehall PA. I think the bench is so thin and the standards so low that they just don't want to be mocked.

[Freak Out]

@ProFootballTalk
Matt Millen, Greg Olsen will call games for FOX this season

Sometimes I am convinced people who run TV are out of ideas. Matt Millen was last relevant as a broadcaster and a lesser-Madden in, what, 1997?

I understand turning the broadcasts into a stars gallery for the reluctant viewer, but who the hell is tuning in to see Millen? There aren't that many people in Whitehall PA. I think the bench is so thin and the standards so low that they just don't want to be mocked.

Ugh.

[gbgary]

MLF wasn't too happy today.

lafleur-we-ve-got-to-operate-with-more-urgency (https://www.packers.com/video/lafleur-we-ve-got-to-operate-with-more-urgency)

[wist43]

@ProFootballTalk
Matt Millen, Greg Olsen will call games for FOX this season

Sometimes I am convinced people who run TV are out of ideas. Matt Millen was last relevant as a broadcaster and a lesser-Madden in, what, 1997?

I understand turning the broadcasts into a stars gallery for the reluctant viewer, but who the hell is tuning in to see Millen? There aren't that many people in Whitehall PA. I think the bench is so thin and the standards so low that they just don't want to be mocked.

It's better than having a woman in the booth.

Fuckers are so PC they'll likely start trying to push their transgender bullshit on us sooner rather than later.

[Joemailman]

MLF wasn't too happy today.

y.lafleur-we-ve-got-to-operate-with-more-urgency (https://www.packers.com/video/lafleur-we-ve-got-to-operate-with-more-urgency)Glad to see the coach isn't happy. Need to make the players a little uncomfortable. Maybe there was a little too much comfort the last couple of years.

[gbgary]

Glad to see the coach isn't happy. Need to make the players a little uncomfortable. Maybe there was a little too much comfort the last couple of years.

i like him. "at the end of the day" he says more than mccarthy ever did.

[HowardRoark]

Where’d that press conference take place? The day care playground?

[gbgary]

Where’d that press conference take place? The day care playground?

lol...i noticed that too when i watched it. must have been near the "dream drive." ha!

[pbmax]

It's better than having a woman in the booth.

Fuckers are so PC they'll likely start trying to push their transgender bullshit on us sooner rather than later.

I don't agree. Millen's act is old and tired. I would prefer they put Chris Evert or Nelson Burton Jr. up there than Millen. Wait they are even older. Is Nelson still alive?

How about an Olsen twin or Oscar Issac? Millen is on the mute list. I need a notice that a play is in the replay booth, I read the closed captions.

Also, take it to FYI.

[pbmax]

MLF wasn't too happy today.

lafleur-we-ve-got-to-operate-with-more-urgency (https://www.packers.com/video/lafleur-we-ve-got-to-operate-with-more-urgency)

M4, via PackerNews, also said they aren't hitting many defense stretching plays. Rodgers missing MVS a couple of days ago, not much else happening.

[Patler]

M4, via PackerNews, also said they aren't hitting many defense stretching plays. Rodgers missing MVS a couple of days ago, not much else happening.

That is a bit of a concern, because Rodgers seemed to lose his touch a bit last season on deep throws. I've been hoping he would get it back this season.

[Upnorth]

That is a bit of a concern, because Rodgers seemed to lose his touch a bit last season on deep throws. I've been hoping he would get it back this season.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2019/2018-19-deep-ball-project

You are not hte only one who noticed.

[pbmax]

Mike Clemens @MikeClemensNFL
You can see I'm not a photographer. But #Packers #88 WR Teo Redding makes plays like this all the time. Fast. Good hands. A receiver on a team deep at wide receiver.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA2K-iSWwAAk-PL?format=jpg&name=small

[pbmax]

Ryan Wood

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA1ba7GWwAcGEjZ?format=jpg&name=small

[RashanGary]

Ive gone to two practices so far.

Biggest non obvious stand out is MVS. Great routes and change of direction. Fast. Confident. Sudden. Also carries himself with confidence and demands respect.

Next is the physical impressiveness of Clark, mont, Lowry, Preston, z, Gary and Fackrell. Even Fackrell looks to be thicker, stronger and in amazing shape. So much length and everyone looks trim, fit and powerful.

King, Alexander and Hollman all sticky in coverage

Trevor Davis catches everything and looks smooth and strong


Negative: Kizer, backup running backs

[pbmax]

Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood
LaFleur says #Packers were just being “cautious” with Aaron Jones today, holding him out because of the hamstring tightness.

PACKERS MIGHT NEED TO SACRIFICE A GOAT

@ByRyanWood
#Packers have rotated Justin McCray and Lucas Patrick as first-team center, just to spell Corey Linsley. Today, it’s Patrick. That’s a possible pathway to the roster.
Alex Light also getting first-team reps at RT to spell Bryan Bulaga. Light has spelled David Bakhtiari too.

@ByRyanWood
First 2-minute warning if #Packers camp ends with a highlight catch from Marquez Valdez-Scantling, a 34-yard touchdown down the right sideline with about 10 seconds left. MVS beat Jaire Alexander for the score.

@ByRyanWood
Aaron Rodgers was 6-for-8 for 70 yards on the drive. Davante Adams caught two passes, both for first down, including a 6 yarder on 3rd & 3 one play before the touchdown. Good showing for a #Packers offense that had been behind the defense most of camp.

@ByRyanWood
With 3 seconds on clock, #Packers backup two-minute drill ended with Sam Ficken’s 48-yard field goal.

@ByRyanWood
Thus concludes #Packers’ 2-hour, 19-minute practice. Longest of camp so far, thanks to those added two-minute drills.

@ByRyanWood
#Packers coach Matt LaFleur says his issue with Josh Jones is he doesn’t want players to tackle, as Jones did vs Tra Carson. Also said there’s a “zero tolerance policy” against fighting. LaFleur on pulling Jones: “I told him to get out at that particular moment.” Didn’t return.

I WANNE BE ANARCHY! IS THIS THE MPLA? OR IS THIS THE UDA? OR IS THIS THE IRA? I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE UK? OR JUST ANOTHER GREEN BAY!

@ByRyanWood
LaFleur says #Packers were just being “cautious” with Aaron Jones today, holding him out because of the hamstring tightness.

@ByRyanWood
Defense thought MVS got away with an OPI vs Jaire Alexander on 2-minute TD. There was definitely some bumping. I thought it went both ways. LaFleur says he’ll check the tape after practice. Something he’ll be able to do in the middle of a game this fall.

@ByRyanWood
MVS on whether he had OPI on Jaire Alexander in 2-minute drill: "I don’t know. We’ve got to go back and look at it. I can’t tell you. I just went up and made a play. That’s all I wanted to do, is go make a play."
Well. That didn't sound guilty at all.

@JimOwczarski
#Packers RB Tra Carson waved off the tackle/back-and-forth with Josh Jones in practice with a smile: “It’s one of those things. Everybody’s just competing. No hard feelings for nobody. You know how it is. It’s just competing in practice. That’s all it is.”

[pbmax]

@RobDemovsky
Marquez Valdes-Scantling caps the 2-minute drive with a 33-yard TD catch but sure looked like he used a swim move to cast aside Jaire Alexander. Would've been a possible case to challenge for sure. (link: http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-41071444-4) espn.com/espn/now?nowId…

[Radagast]

Are # Packers practicing screenplays? Which RB is performing best in the screenplay? Which backup QB is preforming best executing the screenplay? Who is blocking best on the screenplays?

With Aaron Jones nursing a hamstring, which RB is performing best? Which side of the 1st team OL opens the largest holes for RBs? Which RB blocks best in pass protection? Which RB seems to be the smartest as far as adjusting to the changing conditions of a play?

How are the TEs performing? Which TE is the best blocker? Which TE is the best receiver?

Is MVS showing up Adams at WR? Who looks to be the #3 starting WR?

Are Rodgers reps. being monitored, and if so what is his daily rep. limit?


:pack:

[Radagast]

With Family Night fast approaching, will any of you be in attendance?

What highlights can we look forward to at the Family Night practice?

[mraynrand]

:roll:

[run pMc]

Practice? We talking 'bout practice?

As long as nobody goes on IR from it, I wouldn't expect much from Family Night.

[Fritz]

Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood
LaFleur says #Packers were just being “cautious” with Aaron Jones today, holding him out because of the hamstring tightness.

PACKERS MIGHT NEED TO SACRIFICE A GOAT

@ByRyanWood
#Packers have rotated Justin McCray and Lucas Patrick as first-team center, just to spell Corey Linsley. Today, it’s Patrick. That’s a possible pathway to the roster.
Alex Light also getting first-team reps at RT to spell Bryan Bulaga. Light has spelled David Bakhtiari too.

@ByRyanWood
First 2-minute warning if #Packers camp ends with a highlight catch from Marquez Valdez-Scantling, a 34-yard touchdown down the right sideline with about 10 seconds left. MVS beat Jaire Alexander for the score.

@ByRyanWood
Aaron Rodgers was 6-for-8 for 70 yards on the drive. Davante Adams caught two passes, both for first down, including a 6 yarder on 3rd & 3 one play before the touchdown. Good showing for a #Packers offense that had been behind the defense most of camp.

@ByRyanWood
With 3 seconds on clock, #Packers backup two-minute drill ended with Sam Ficken’s 48-yard field goal.

@ByRyanWood
Thus concludes #Packers’ 2-hour, 19-minute practice. Longest of camp so far, thanks to those added two-minute drills.

@ByRyanWood
#Packers coach Matt LaFleur says his issue with Josh Jones is he doesn’t want players to tackle, as Jones did vs Tra Carson. Also said there’s a “zero tolerance policy” against fighting. LaFleur on pulling Jones: “I told him to get out at that particular moment.” Didn’t return.

I WANNE BE ANARCHY! IS THIS THE MPLA? OR IS THIS THE UDA? OR IS THIS THE IRA? I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE UK? OR JUST ANOTHER GREEN BAY!

@ByRyanWood
LaFleur says #Packers were just being “cautious” with Aaron Jones today, holding him out because of the hamstring tightness.

@ByRyanWood
Defense thought MVS got away with an OPI vs Jaire Alexander on 2-minute TD. There was definitely some bumping. I thought it went both ways. LaFleur says he’ll check the tape after practice. Something he’ll be able to do in the middle of a game this fall.

@ByRyanWood
MVS on whether he had OPI on Jaire Alexander in 2-minute drill: "I don’t know. We’ve got to go back and look at it. I can’t tell you. I just went up and made a play. That’s all I wanted to do, is go make a play."
Well. That didn't sound guilty at all.

@JimOwczarski
#Packers RB Tra Carson waved off the tackle/back-and-forth with Josh Jones in practice with a smile: “It’s one of those things. Everybody’s just competing. No hard feelings for nobody. You know how it is. It’s just competing in practice. That’s all it is.”

I often have a hard time remembering how to spell that one.

Saw a great picture of Alex Light holding his young son, the young boy wearing an old-fashioned summer outfit, complete with those old-style maroon shoes with tassles.

He was a little Light in the loafers.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Practice? We talking 'bout practice?

As long as nobody goes on IR from it, I wouldn't expect much from Family Night.

Especially since the Packers evolved vags and stopped the live tackle. I’d pay 10 hard-earned frogskins to watch a Green vs Gold “spring game” scrimmage, but not an infamous practice.

[pbmax]

Say hello to the last inter-team practices during the Gutey era.

@JimOwczarski
Rashan Gary was wrecking things so badly for 3rd string #Texans OL he was grabbed hard from behind and kind of bent awkwardly back as he fell. A little slow getting up but he did. He continues to show out. #Packers

@JimOwczarski
#Packers LB Randy Ramsey took his jersey off his pads and went inside. We’ll see if he just needs an equip adjustment or if there is another issue

@JimOwczarski
Za’Darius Smith limps off his second one on one attempt and took his helmet off. #Packers

@TomSilverstein
S Adrian Amos bangs up shoulder and is off the field.

@TomSilverstein
Amos came back for a play and still has his helmet during break.

@JimOwczarski
Trying to keep an eye on Z. Smith after he tweaked his right ankle, but on simultaneous 7v7 one of the #Packers backup groups had such good coverage the coaches blew it dead with no throw. Ka’Darr Hollman & Raven Greene were in that group.

@PeteDougherty
Watched 1on1 pass rush Packers’ D vs. Texans’ O, refs blowing plays dead quickly so Packers D did t wi many, Z Smith beat T Matt Kalil on their lone matchup

@JimOwczarski
I’m back watching AJ McCarron throw touchdown passes. Hit Steven Mitchell Jr. deep over Will Redmond. #Packers #Texans

@JimOwczarski
Rashan Gary was wrecking things so badly for 3rd string #Texans OL he was grabbed hard from behind and kind of bent awkwardly back as he fell. A little slow getting up but he did. He continues to show out. #Packers

@PeteDougherty
Houston DB Lonnie Johnson Jr. drilled Packers TE Sternberger on pass over middle, quasi flight ensues as Packers players take exception,Sternberger to Hutson Center to get checked on by medical staff

@ReinerOlivia
TE Jace Sternberger gets rocked by a Texans DB, his helmet flying off. Sternberger just walked inside the Hutson Center.

@ByRyanWood
After team drill concludes, Aaron Rodgers and Texans DL Angelo Blackson exchanged some words, face mask to face mask. No idea what was said, but didn’t seem like they were discussing beer chugging.

@JimOwczarski
Sternberger back on for special teams work. #Packers

@JimOwczarski
Jake Kumerow dinged his hand again on a special teams play. He tweaked a finger on family night but played through it. This one stung him.

[pbmax]

@WesHod
Boyle had best throw of that team period on out route pass to Jawill Davis. Ready to see No 8 in preseason

@ByRyanWood
Already knew Danny Vitale could catch, but didn’t realize he could CATCH. Just leaped over Texans ILB Zach Cunningham for a terrific grab on a fade some 25 yards downfield. Not bad for a fullback.

@BillHuberSI
New Packers OLB Markus Jones, who dominated Division II with about a billion TFLs last year, gets a sack.

[RashanGary]

two Highlights from the practice today. 1 Vitale caught a 35 yard bomb like a WR in double coverage. The other was seeing one good pass rush rep in team drills with Watt vs Bakh. Bakh held of his first push and second, but watt eventually got one arm into Bakh and drove him away en route to Rodgers. On a quicker release, that’s a win for Bakh but a drawn out play like that, Watt won. In short, Watt won but it was everything he had. About what you would expect but it was impressive to see a guy that powerful move Bakh.

[Joemailman]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/05/danny-vitale-creates-another-standout-play-during-packers-practice/?utm_source=smg&utm_medium=wasabi&utm_content=home-herohttps://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/05/danny-vitale-creates-another-standout-play-during-packers-practice/?utm_source=smg&utm_medium=wasabi&utm_content=home-hero


Earlier in the practice, the Texans left Vitale wide open underneath, so Rodgers dumped him the football and he gained 10-12 easy yards.

This makes me happy.


During an 11-on-11 “move the ball” drill late in the practice, Vitale ran a wheel route from the backfield and then skied over Texans linebacker Zach Cunningham to haul in the deep throw from Aaron Rodgers down the far sideline.

This isn't bad either.

[RashanGary]

I’ve been to four practices. Vitale is ridiculously good at running routes and catching. I’ve nevet seen a FB so talented as a pass catcher. It really is a weapon.

The catch today was just incredible. Diving, and there were two defenders. He just made an amazing catch. But he does that every day. It’s who he is. He’s fast and athletic and has great hands.

[Rutnstrut]

I’ve been to four practices. Vitale is ridiculously good at running routes and catching. I’ve nevet seen a FB so talented as a pass catcher. It really is a weapon.

The catch today was just incredible. Diving, and there were two defenders. He just made an amazing catch. But he does that every day. It’s who he is. He’s fast and athletic and has great hands.





Good thing they have a new coach because that's a weapon stubby would refuse to use.

[Zool]

I’ve been to four practices. Vitale is ridiculously good at running routes and catching. I’ve nevet seen a FB so talented as a pass catcher. It really is a weapon.

The catch today was just incredible. Diving, and there were two defenders. He just made an amazing catch. But he does that every day. It’s who he is. He’s fast and athletic and has great hands.

William Henderson would like a word.

[pbmax]

William Henderson would like a word.

Its easy to go overboard on M3. There were even some nice looking screens last year. Though it wasn't enough to overcome all the other problems.

[pbmax]

I’ve been to four practices. Vitale is ridiculously good at running routes and catching. I’ve nevet seen a FB so talented as a pass catcher. It really is a weapon.

The catch today was just incredible. Diving, and there were two defenders. He just made an amazing catch. But he does that every day. It’s who he is. He’s fast and athletic and has great hands.

Justin, do they run any screens?

[Cheesehead Craig]

William Henderson would like a word.

All he could do was hurdle people

[bobblehead]

File this under things I haven't read ONE TIME all camp:

Rashan Gary got stonewalled

[pbmax]

File this under things I haven't read ONE TIME all camp:

Rashan Gary got stonewalled

@ByRyanWood
#Packers rookie Rashan Gary won both of his 1v1 reps, beating Matt Kalil with speed and Max Scharpring with power. His bull rush against Scharpring was ������.

[pbmax]

Official Rashan Gary Fan Club @RashanGaryFan52
MVS with a drop from Rodgers that ends a drive and MVS is visibly upset with himself. Rodgers walks across the field to give him a high five and pick him up. 12 then immediately talks to LaFleur. Loving this new era. #Packers

He's just showing off because JJ Watt is in town.
Where was this leadership versus the Lions?
Where was this leadership when he inured his own knee?
Selfishly thought Barr wouldn't break his collarbone?
Missed a deep pass to Jennings(?) that would have won that Cardinals playoff game versus Warner?
Where is the leadership when it matters?

[pbmax]

@BillHuberSI
LaFleur says “we’ll see where we’re at” regarding Rodgers playing on Thursday.


Soft 'N Small!

[Upnorth]

@ByRyanWood
#Packers rookie Rashan Gary won both of his 1v1 reps, beating Matt Kalil with speed and Max Scharpring with power. His bull rush against Scharpring was ������.

Sorry, my emoji game is weak. what do the series of black diamond question marks mean?

[pbmax]

Sorry, my emoji game is weak. what do the series of black diamond question marks mean?

Its a bad copy and paste job between Twitter a Mac and the messages board. Should be smiling emojis essentially.

[Upnorth]

That makes sense, I am now much more in touch with my kids generation. Thanks PB, you are an inter generational guru.