Dean Lowry Extended

[RashanGary]

https://www.packers.com/news/packers-sign-dl-dean-lowry-to-contract-extension

Early reports, 3 years 20 new money. 4years 22 total. Good deal 5.5/year.

[Joemailman]

What a great mid-round pick. His role will only increase in the future with the likely (in my opinion) departure of Mike Daniels after this year.

[RashanGary]

What a great mid-round pick. His role will only increase in the future with the likely (in my opinion) departure of Mike Daniels after this year.

I’m a little torn on Daniels. He’s one of my fav Packers. There is a chance we could keep one of him or Bulaga next year.

Tramon
Daniels
Bulaga
Crosby
Martinez
Fackrell
Geronimo
Spriggs
Mercedes

Martinez is probably top priority. Might even see that one happen soon. Geronimo is a guy I’d like to keep around. After that, maybe we can keep one of Bulaga or Daniels.

My hope is someone plays well at tackle and makes it easy to let Bulaga go, then we resign Daniels.

[QBME]

https://www.packers.com/news/packers-sign-dl-dean-lowry-to-contract-extension

Early reports, 3 years 20 new money. 4years 22 total. Good deal 5.5/year.

Like it.

[mraynrand]

I thought maybe this was about off-season arm-lengthening surgery.

[pbmax]

I thought maybe this was about off-season arm-lengthening surgery.

The Army would be up in arms about that surgery.

I think I have lost the ability to judge mid- to low- tier NFL contracts. My first thought was $20 million?" but at $5.5 per year, OK I guess?

[mraynrand]

Seems like a fair deal for a guy they think will be solid long term.

[Patler]

I think I have lost the ability to judge mid- to low- tier NFL contracts. My first thought was $20 million?" but at $5.5 per year, OK I guess?

The only way I can evaluate them is by thinking about the salary cap. Roughly $190 million for about 55-60 guys or so, (roster + IR) and a little for dead money on players cut, practice squad, etc. $3M+ or so quickly becomes a thumbnail "average", but with 25-30 or so players being on first contracts, minimum contracts, etc. much below the $3M+ "average", I can easily convince myself that $5.5M isn't a lot for a guy like Lowry who has a significant role and has stayed healthy.

[Upnorth]

Im like patler, I do a percentage of the cap calc in my head and then judge. At just under 3% a guy on their second contract who is above average and solid is a good deal for the team in year one and is a great deal in year 4 if he makes it.

[Fritz]

What a great mid-round pick. His role will only increase in the future with the likely (in my opinion) departure of Mike Daniels after this year.

After this extension, Dean Lowry reminds me of what my father used to say about Dutchmen: deep pockets, short arms.

[Fritz]

https://www.packers.com/news/packers-sign-dl-dean-lowry-to-contract-extension

Early reports, 3 years 20 new money. 4years 22 total. Good deal 5.5/year.


JH, you would get more commentary if you got the thread title right. It should be:

Dean Lowry Extended, but He Still Can't Reach It

[run pMc]

My first reaction was it's a lot of money for a meh player.
After some thought it's not bad, especially if he's a starter.
He's been healthy and something of a contributor, and many think he outplayed Wilkerson last year.

[Fritz]

So you're not . . . Up in arms about it, then?

[texaspackerbacker]

Who is more likely to go up and block a pass, a 6'6" guy with short arms? or a 6'0 guy with average to long arms? - just asking.

[pbmax]

Who is more likely to go up and block a pass, a 6'6" guy with short arms? or a 6'0 guy with average to long arms? - just asking.

How many passes get batted down in a game do you suppose? On average?

[mraynrand]

How long are your arms? How
Many do you have? One, two, or more? Which animals have the strangest arms? Which animals have the longest arms (Elephant trunks don’t count!)? What is the size of your head?

[run pMc]

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uio1J2PKzLI

[Cheesehead Craig]

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uio1J2PKzLI

African or European?

[Fritz]

Who is more likely to go up and block a pass, a 6'6" guy with short arms? or a 6'0 guy with average to long arms? - just asking.

Tex, you're really . . . reaching here.

I hope you've got longer arms than Dean Lowry.

[Patler]

What is the size of your head?

Which one?

[texaspackerbacker]

Tex, you're really . . . reaching here.

I hope you've got longer arms than Dean Lowry.

I didn't have any particular agenda in asking - just that maybe the short arms thing is overrated. I seem to recall Lowry knocking down a few passes.

At my age, I only get about two inches off the ground playing tennis - as a white man, I never could jump much. But I've still got the reach to get up and snag some volleys at the net.

[mraynrand]

I didn't have any particular agenda in asking - just that maybe the short arms thing is overrated. .

“Maybe”

[run pMc]

I didn't have any particular agenda in asking - just that maybe the short arms thing is overrated. I seem to recall Lowry knocking down a few passes.

At my age, I only get about two inches off the ground playing tennis - as a white man, I never could jump much. But I've still got the reach to get up and snag some volleys at the net.

I think some players have more of a knack for it than others; longer arms certainly helps with fighting off blocks but there are so many other things that go into a pass rush. Given his height, I think the shorter arms is less of a hindrance than if he was 6'2".

[Patler]

I think some players have more of a knack for it than others; longer arms certainly helps with fighting off blocks but there are so many other things that go into a pass rush. Given his height, I think the shorter arms is less of a hindrance than if he was 6'2".

A few years back the Packers had a runt of a DT for a couple years who routinely knocked down passes. I've forgotten his name, but he had a bunch each year for the three or so years he was around. He had a knack for stepping into the throwing lane, pushing off from the lineman's block and getting his hands up at just the right time. They aren't that far from the QB, how much elevation can the ball gain after leaving the QB's hand? Timing and instinct more than height and arm length, I think.

[pbmax]

A few years back the Packers had a runt of a DT for a couple years who routinely knocked down passes. I've forgotten his name, but he had a bunch each year for the three or so years he was around. He had a knack for stepping into the throwing lane, pushing off from the lineman's block and getting his hands up at just the right time. They aren't that far from the QB, how much elevation can the ball gain after leaving the QB's hand? Timing and instinct more than height and arm length, I think.

Didn't Johnny Jolly used to excel at this? Not a runt though.

I associate this with either playing a read then react technique or being poor at pass rush. Or double teamed. Gives you time to look up and find the QB and the ball.

[Patler]

Didn't Johnny Jolly used to excel at this? Not a runt though.

I associate this with either playing a read then react technique or being poor at pass rush. Or double teamed. Gives you time to look up and find the QB and the ball.

Jolly was good at it, but the guy I am thinking of was before Jolly (I think), so more years ago than I care to remember!

[mraynrand]

Jolly was good at it, but the guy I am thinking of was before Jolly (I think), so more years ago than I care to remember!

In the 2000s, the first guy I thought of was Steve Warren. Played two years. Maybe Russell Maryland, but he only played one for the Packers and figured you'd have remembered him.

Into the 90's I thinking Jurko; There were other guys who knocked down passes, but were all over 6'4" Maybe Robert Brown?

[Patler]

In the 2000s, the first guy I thought of was Steve Warren. Played two years. Maybe Russell Maryland, but he only played one for the Packers and figured you'd have remembered him.

Into the 90's I thinking Jurko; There were other guys who knocked down passes, but were all over 6'4" Maybe Robert Brown?

I think it might have been Steve Warren I was thinking of, and maybe more preseason performances than regular season. I just remember a shortish DT who didn't do a whole lot, but seemed to get his hand on passes.

[pbmax]

Here is a list of passes defended by people on defense not labeled DBs or LBs.



Game Def
Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Int Yds TD PD
1 Vonnie Holliday 1998 2002 1-19 GNB NFL 66 63 2 6 0 20
2 Johnny Jolly 2006 2013 6-183 GNB NFL 61 47 1 2 0 18
3 Ryan Pickett 2006 2013 1-29 GNB NFL 119 113 0 0 0 18
4 Cullen Jenkins 2004 2010 GNB NFL 93 66 1 4 0 16
5 Cletidus Hunt 1999 2004 3-94 GNB NFL 85 60 0 0 0 15
6 Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila 2000 2008 5-149 GNB NFL 124 74 1 72 1 11
7 B.J. Raji 2009 2015 1-9 GNB NFL 91 78 0 0 0 10
8 Aaron Kampman 2002 2009 5-156 GNB NFL 112 104 0 0 0 9
9 Datone Jones 2013 2016 1-26 GNB NFL 59 7 1 18 0 7
10 Kenny Clark 2016 2018 1-27 GNB NFL 44 30 0 0 0 6
11 Colin Cole 2004 2008 GNB NFL 57 8 0 0 0 6
12 Grady Jackson 2003 2005 6-193 GNB NFL 34 27 0 0 0 6
13 Dean Lowry 2016 2018 4-137 GNB NFL 47 19 0 0 0 6
14 Mike Daniels 2012 2018 4-132 GNB NFL 102 72 1 6 0 5
15 Santana Dotson 1996 2001 5-132 GNB NFL 88 83 0 0 0 4
16 Kenny Peterson 2003 2005 3-79 GNB NFL 34 0 0 0 0 4
17 Steve Warren 2000 2002 3-74 GNB NFL 25 0 0 0 0 4
18 Corey Williams 2004 2007 6-179 GNB NFL 56 20 1 9 0 4
19 Billy Lyon 1998 2002 GNB NFL 59 7 1 0 0 3
20 John Thierry 2000 2001 1-11 GNB NFL 28 28 0 0 0 3
21 Vaughn Booker 1998 1999 GNB NFL 30 18 0 0 0 2
22 Jim Flanigan 2001 2001 3-74 GNB NFL 16 8 0 0 0 2
23 Letroy Guion 2014 2016 5-152 GNB NFL 44 35 0 0 0 2
24 Russell Maryland 2000 2000 1-1 GNB NFL 16 16 0 0 0 2
25 Mike Montgomery 2005 2010 6-180 GNB NFL 58 8 0 0 0 2
26 Jermaine Smith 1997 1999 4-126 GNB NFL 19 0 1 2 0 2
27 Josh Boyd 2013 2015 5-167 GNB NFL 26 4 0 0 0 1
28 Gilbert Brown 1993 2003 3-79 GNB NFL 125 103 0 0 0 1
29 Quinton Dial 2017 2017 5-157 GNB NFL 13 2 0 0 0 1
30 Joe Johnson 2002 2003 1-13 GNB NFL 11 11 0 0 0 1
31 Keith McKenzie 1996 2002 7-252 GNB NFL 62 2 1 33 1 1
32 Mike Neal 2010 2015 2-56 GNB NFL 68 29 1 5 0 1
33 Mike Pennel 2014 2016 GNB NFL 37 5 0 0 0 1
34 Jamal Reynolds 2001 2003 1-10 GNB NFL 18 0 0 0 0 1
35 Larry Smith 2003 2004 2-56 GNB NFL 13 0 0 0 0 1
36 Rod Walker 2001 2003 GNB NFL 31 6 0 0 0 1
37 C.J. Wilson 2010 2013 7-230 GNB NFL 50 11 0 0 0 1


Provided by Pro-Football-Reference.com (https://www.sports-reference.com/sharing.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool): View Original Table (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=1992&year_max=2018&season_start=1&season_end=-1&team_id=gnb&pos%5B%5D=dt&pos%5B%5D=de&pos%5B%5D=dl&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2019&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=pick_overall&conference=any&draft_pos%5B%5D=qb&draft_pos%5B%5D=rb&draft_pos%5B%5D=wr&draft_pos%5B%5D=te&draft_pos%5B%5D=e&draft_pos%5B%5D=t&draft_pos%5B%5D=g&draft_pos%5B%5D=c&draft_pos%5B%5D=ol&draft_pos%5B%5D=dt&draft_pos%5B%5D=de&draft_pos%5B%5D=dl&draft_pos%5B%5D=ilb&draft_pos%5B%5D=olb&draft_pos%5B%5D=lb&draft_pos%5B%5D=cb&draft_pos%5B%5D=s&draft_pos%5B%5D=db&draft_pos%5B%5D=k&draft_pos%5B%5D=p&c1stat=pass_defended&c1comp=gt&c1val=1&c5val=1.0&order_by=pass_defended&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool#results)
Generated 7/29/2019.

[texaspackerbacker]

It says zero interceptions for Raji. Didn't he have a pick 6?

[mraynrand]

It says zero interceptions for Raji. Didn't he have a pick 6?

That was playoffs. Those stats are reg season.

[esoxx]

That was playoffs. Those stats are reg season.

Still, you'd think a ballhawk like Raji would be showing with 6 or 7 picks.

[pbmax]

I had not thought about Vaughn Booker in any way for a very long time.

[mraynrand]

I had not thought about Vaughn Booker in any way for a very long time.

He was the nail in Ray Rhodes' coffin

[Radagast]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uqm9Gnd_FM