Official Packers vs. Ravens Game Day Thread

[Joemailman]

MLF has said starters will play "a quarter or so".


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Lot of defensive starters we've never seen before.

Wide receiver battle should continue to be interesting.

Will anybody be able to tackle Lamar Jackson?

Is Jimmy Graham really better than last year?

[CaptainKickass]

Obligatory game day post.

[Radagast]

I will be watching on a local station here in Richmond,Va. I'm lucky that they are playing in Baltimore and not in California. Richmond is considered to be in the Redskins/Ravens viewing region. I'd prefer it to be the Carolina Panthers / Washington Redskins , but I don't get to make that decision.

I once spent a bit of time in and around the Charlotte N.C. area and found it to be a great place indeed. Washington D.C. you can have it. The best part of Washington D.C. is the National Zoo.

Enjoy the game and I'll check back in as the spirit moves me to. :glug:

[Radagast]

Ravens pregame show just announced that Aaron Rodgers would not play due to "back tightness".

I offer no further comments at this point.

[Joemailman]

The debut of quarterback Aaron Rodgers in Matt LaFleur’s offense will have to wait another week.

The Green Bay Packers announced Rodgers won’t play in Thursday night’s preseason game against the Baltimore Ravens due to back tightness. The team is describing the decision as “precautionary.”

Rodgers, who sat out the preseason opener against the Houston Texans, was expected to play roughly a quarter’s worth of action.

The majority of the quarterback work will be left to DeShone Kizer and Tim Boyle. Rookie Manny Wilkins may also get snaps in the second half..

[TravisWilliams23]

No Rodgers. Tightness in the back. Yipee!

[Rutnstrut]

Ravens pregame show just announced that Aaron Rodgers would not play due to "back tightness".

I offer no further comments at this point.

I don't worry to much about it in pre-season. But I'm not overly optimistic that he goes all season without missing time.

[Joemailman]

A lot of people disguised as empty seats.

[mraynrand]

No Rodgers. Tightness in the back. Yipee!

Dodge

[Radagast]

Watching "the Ravens" broadcast of the game and the names of Packer tacklers or receivers are never mentioned. It' all and I do mean all, 100% tilted and biased for the Ravens. I'm about to hit he mute button , big time !

[mraynrand]

Kizer cannot be the backup. Cant just flat out miss open guys

[Rutnstrut]

Kizer cannot be the backup. Cant just flat out miss open guys



It looks like they are going with the hope and pray Rodgers doesn't get hurt plan. That won't go well.

[RashanGary]

I fucking hate kizer. What a retard.

[mraynrand]

Ever had a Hurst doughnut?

[mraynrand]

That ump didn’t have glasses a couple years ago. Explains a lot.

[jklowan]

This "improved defense" looks terrible against the run

[Bretsky]

I am in Canada; I look forward to some analysis and comments of the good and bad in here

[mraynrand]

Kizer Kum twice.

[mraynrand]

Guided Missile(TM) closed fast but missed a tackle.

[SMBASS]

They still look like one of the worst tackling teams I've ever seen. I was watching a little bit of the Niners-Cowboys game last week and the Niner DB's gave up some catches but they sure didn't miss any tackles. Even their scrubs were bringing the wood when they hit.

[mraynrand]

Kizer with good screen pass and drop

[mraynrand]

Good pass pro

[jklowan]

I had high hopes for this team, if this is how we're gonna play defense 8 wins might be a stretch

[mraynrand]

That don’t look so good on outside zone

[TravisWilliams23]

Defense supposed to be ahead of the of offense but not showing much. No 3 and outs and giving up yardage. Perhaps just playing vanilla but
not impressed.

[mraynrand]

Jimmy Graham up the sideline and Kizer doesn’t give him a chance. Good coverage tho

[jklowan]

so that's it for the 1st string d, I think 2 a days are in order

[SMBASS]

Doesn't matter if the scheme is vanilla or not. It's still no excuse for piss poor tackling.

[Radagast]

I am in Canada; I look forward to some analysis and comments of the good and bad in here

OK

Best Packer so far , #16 Jake Kumerow WR looks solid

that's all for now

[TravisWilliams23]

Boyle in now. Let see if there's improvement. New line tho.

[jklowan]

on a good note, the special teams play has been good, this wideout Shephard looks good

[mraynrand]

on a good note, the special teams play has been good, this wideout Shepard looks good

He might make pencil legs expendable

[mraynrand]

They goin in reverse!

[jklowan]

ilb bolton with a good tackle for a loss 2 good games in a row for the rook

[RashanGary]

This game sucks. Bolton looks alright. Flying around anyway.

[Joemailman]

Bad look for Sullivan.

[TravisWilliams23]

The D made McSorley look like a decent QB. Bad.

[RashanGary]

None of the OL really looking too bad. Just kizer. He wrecks everything.

[mraynrand]

Is ka’Dar wearing a golden earring?

[mraynrand]

None of the OL really looking too bad. Just kizer. He wrecks everything.

He is better than last year.

[jklowan]

meh

[Joemailman]

Kuuuuuuuuuuimmm!!!

[RashanGary]

In real games teams are gonna smother Kumerow. This no game planning and free releases make him look better than he is.

[Joemailman]

In real games teams are gonna smother Kumerow. This no game planning and free releases make him look better than he is.

They won't be game planning to srop Kumerow. They'll be focused on Adams, Jones and Graham. Kumerow will win his share of matchups.

[RashanGary]

Two impressive punts.

[Joemailman]

Tony Brown!

[Radagast]

In real games teams are gonna smother Kumerow. This no game planning and free releases make him look better than he is.

Yes, but for this game he is doing just fine.


Curtis Bolton with the pick.

[RashanGary]

Bolton a bright spot so far. Kenny Clark as well. Montravius looked stout. Tonyan looking fast. JK Scott impressive.

[mraynrand]

Jenkins was in at LG. So they are looking at him for both guard spots.

[Rutnstrut]

In real games teams are gonna smother Kumerow. This no game planning and free releases make him look better than he is.




He's still a better choice than Moore.

[RashanGary]

Just not having kizer in the field puts me in a better mood

[Joemailman]

Nice job by Boyle there. Tonyan and Shepherd missed catchable balls.

[RashanGary]

He's still a better choice than Moore.

Absolutely. Kumerow and Shepherd would both be better. I’ll be ok if they keep Kumerow. I’m just saying it’s not realistic for teams to lineup and play to his strengths. So maybe we can be careful not to anoint anyone in preseason.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Jenkins was in at LG. So they are looking at him for both guard spots.

Turner is the RG. I think it's Jenkins vs. Taylor for LG.

[Radagast]

I've looked from the start, has Rash Gary played at all ?

Has Ty Sunners seen any action ?

[mraynrand]

Nice job by Boyle there. Tonyan and Shepherd missed catchable balls.

Bad drops

[mraynrand]

Turner is the RG. I think it's Jenkins vs. Taylor for LG.

I think so too. They did play Jenkins at RG last week. I think they want to make sure he can play both. Turner looked good. If

[Bretsky]

OK

Best Packer so far , #16 Jake Kumerow WR looks solid

that's all for now

TY

[Bretsky]

I've looked from the start, has Rash Gary played at all ?

Has Ty Sunners seen any action ?


comments like these scare me; Tarzan disappeared a lot of the Wolves last year

[RashanGary]

Good:
Mont Adams stout
Clark very stout
Bolton flying around
Tony Brown looking solid
OL looking solid. No obvious breakdowns anyway
Shepherd looking natural as returner
JK Scott/ST as a whole. Good snap, improved get off time for Scott and big punts
Kumerow

Bad:
Deshon Kizer
Dropped balls: Dexter Williams, Tonyan, Shepherd
Tackling still suspect
Sketchy kick by Ficken
MLF for sticking with Kizer as 2nd string. Wtf.
Poor run defense on the edges with 1st string

[Joemailman]

Return units in mid-season form.

[mraynrand]

If I’m seeing what I think I’m seeing, that outside zone run is no go.

[RashanGary]

If I’m seeing what I think I’m seeing, that outside zone run is no go.

Yeah, no. Not going so well. Part of it might be the running backs too.

[TravisWilliams23]

Bad football by the Pack. Plenty of rip their ass moments for film sessions tomorrow.
Can see coach not happy and that's good. Doesn't have that McCarthy dumb ass look
when things went south on them. Plenty to improve on.

[Radagast]

Are they working on running actual game plays in practice ?

[esoxx]

Bad football by the Pack. Plenty of rip their ass moments for film sessions tomorrow.
Can see coach not happy and that's good. Doesn't have that McCarthy dumb ass look
when things went south on them. Plenty to improve on.

Coach wasn't happy with last game's effort either. He also has been very vocal about not being pleased with how they're practicing in that he wants more juice, more pace.

I think we'll need to be patient as there's residual stubbiness left on the team that needs to be corrected.

[mraynrand]

Boyle throwing low. WTH.

[mraynrand]

It’s just a qb rb exchange guys

[Joemailman]

Shepherd and Lazard makint it uncomfortable for guys like Moore and Davis.

[esoxx]

Boyle looking Bradyesque on the TD toss.

Meanwhile, Rashan Gary still doesn't play like Lawrence Taylor. Disappointing

[RashanGary]

Shepherd and Lazard makint it uncomfortable for guys like Moore and Davis.

Yep. For sure

[esoxx]

Well that was embarrassing.

Gary looking for his jock somewhere on the field right now.

[esoxx]

Shepherd and Lazard makint it uncomfortable for guys like Moore and Davis.

Not really.

Shepherd dropped an easy ball and Lazard is practice squad at best.

I don't think any of these guys make the final roster.

[SMBASS]

I wouldn't discount Shepard and Lazard vs. Moore and Davis by any stretch. Shepard dropped a pass...hell Moore can't even catch a cold and Davis has had several years to do nothing already. Lazard was a pass catching machine at Iowa State and he was already on the Practice Squad at the end of last year. MLF has also stated that he likes Lazard's hustle and effort on Special Teams.

[mraynrand]

Gary ain’t playing. He’s just jogging out there.

[mraynrand]

Looney playing strong.

[mraynrand]

Some Raven player eating a hotdog on the sideline. Better than Ezra.

[Joemailman]

Phillies beat Cubs. Reds beat Cardinals.

[mraynrand]

I’ve had enough penalties.

[pbmax]

This thread is more disturbing than the entire Why Your Team Sucks article plus comments.

[RashanGary]

Ravens have won 15 straight preseason games. Two more and it will be 4 full seasons never having lost a game. But still. Painful.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Well that was embarrassing.

Gary looking for his jock somewhere on the field right now.

I was wrong: Gary ain’t a Nick Perry clone. Perry actually played with tenacity when he was out there in the rye. Problem with Perry, he was a milksop and missed too many games.

Gary is a bum.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Gary ain’t playing. He’s just jogging out there.

I said that last week. Uncool Pack fans made fun of me.

Btw, I missed the 2nd half. Opted for some voluntary OT. If my calculation is correct, and if the vicious fishmongers don’t milk me dry, in September, I should be able to accumulate enough frogskins to purchase a 65” curved 4K “smart” TV to watch my beloved Packers, and unfortunately, feed my porn addiction.

[texaspackerbacker]

APB, are you aware just how cheap big screen smart TVs are getting these days?

I still have to check out the game on DVR, as I watched it on my grandson's small screen TV tonight. A few things stood out, though:

The Ravens played like preseason games mean more to them - a 29-0 win last week and that streak somebody mentioned.

I agree with a lot of what has been said about who did good and who did not. I'm as negative as anybody about Kizer, but I thought he was a little less bad than previously - maybe 60/40 good to bad, which still ain't a very good percentage. Boyle didn't look good at first, but shaped up nicely. I just don't see where people have good things to say about the O Line - not unless the expectations are really low. There were no holes for runners until deep into the Ravens' scrubs, and even then, our guys were letting them right through, not to mention all the penalties. It's hard to tell if the RBs are decent because they had such little room to run. Dexter Williams looked quick and fast, but it didn't count for much. Our higher level receivers didn't do much, and the second teamers looked better - Tonyan, Shepherd, Lazard, etc. However, maybe they were just going against weaker opposition. Kumerow, though, was in the game early, and he looked good again. I disagree with the idea that he won't be able to cut it in the regular season. He sure seems to have a knack for getting open and catching it.

It's way too soon to get all negative about Gary. He seemed confused and susceptible to trickery, but he's a rookie; Coaching ought to fix that. I really want to see him play against a more conventional QB, not a Webb or Lamar Jackson type. Bolton was really good, and one key to keeping him was being good on kick coverage. He certainly was that. Tony Brown made the play to get him his interception, though. Summers wasn't as good tonight, but maybe there is still hope.

As was said, Special Teams are looking good. I'm pretty sure Crosby keeps his job, and Scott shuts up his detractors. I haven't read anything about Davis being injured, but Shepherd took his spot. Is Davis on the way out? I'd say yes. Same for Moore.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

APB, are you aware just how cheap big screen smart TVs are getting these days?

I still have to check out the game on DVR, as I watched it on my grandson's small screen TV tonight. A few things stood out, though:

The Ravens played like preseason games mean more to them - a 29-0 win last week and that streak somebody mentioned.

I agree with a lot of what has been said about who did good and who did not. I'm as negative as anybody about Kizer, but I thought he was a little less bad than previously - maybe 60/40 good to bad, which still ain't a very good percentage. Boyle didn't look good at first, but shaped up nicely. I just don't see where people have good things to say about the O Line - not unless the expectations are really low. There were no holes for runners until deep into the Ravens' scrubs, and even then, our guys were letting them right through, not to mention all the penalties. It's hard to tell if the RBs are decent because they had such little room to run. Dexter Williams looked quick and fast, but it didn't count for much. Our higher level receivers didn't do much, and the second teamers looked better - Tonyan, Shepherd, Lazard, etc. However, maybe they were just going against weaker opposition. Kumerow, though, was in the game early, and he looked good again. I disagree with the idea that he won't be able to cut it in the regular season. He sure seems to have a knack for getting open and catching it.

It's way too soon to get all negative about Gary. He seemed confused and susceptible to trickery, but he's a rookie; Coaching ought to fix that. I really want to see him play against a more conventional QB, not a Webb or Lamar Jackson type. Bolton was really good, and one key to keeping him was being good on kick coverage. He certainly was that. Tony Brown made the play to get him his interception, though. Summers wasn't as good tonight, but maybe there is still hope.

As was said, Special Teams are looking good. I'm pretty sure Crosby keeps his job, and Scott shuts up his detractors. I haven't read anything about Davis being injured, but Shepherd took his spot. Is Davis on the way out? I'd say yes. Same for Moore.

Big screen TVs, say 65” or larger, are certainly cheaper these days. Back in my glorious youth when I was being institutionalized, I purchased a 32” 720p flat screen TV for 1200 frogskins, with my old man’s credit card, I think. Nowadays, 65” 4K flats can be found at Walmart for less than 400.

I ain’t as wealthy as Partial so I don’t own 5-7 titanic apple TVs. Currently, only a 42” 1080p Vizio roams my humble apartment. Curious what porn looks like in 4K.

I’m thinking about getting a 65” curved TV, even though a lotta tech nerds said that there ain’t much differences between flat and curved TVs. Curved are just a bit more expensive. I have a 19” 1080 curved monitor and 2D porn looks better on it than on regular monitors, at least to me.

What’s the difference between the 120 high speed TV and the 240 speed one, anyone knows?

Nice recap, Tex. :)

[RashanGary]

Yep. Nice recap Tex. Good post.

[Bretsky]

I didn't see any of the game so I wanted to thank everybody for their comments.

Sounds like today was a bit of a mess on defense and an offense one clear PR them is Kizer must go.

Also, sounds like Fritz might be ordering up some I told you so signs and maybe the 2nd round OL could start, or at least have a ton of value

[Fritz]

Gary ain’t playing. He’s just jogging out there.

Sounds like he's in midseason form!

A lot of people here have talked about this offense needing four or five games to get the hang of the thing. I think it won't be til next year that it clicks.

Kizer in the huddle: "I'm going to Kum on this play. Break!"

[mraynrand]

lot of excitement about that game last night

[wist43]

Gary ain’t playing. He’s just jogging out there.

Will watch the game when I get home, but doesn't sound good.

He looks lazy... impossible to coach over that.

Meanwhile, Burns has looked beastly on Carolina :(

[Bretsky]

Will watch the game when I get home, but doesn't sound good.

He looks lazy... impossible to coach over that.

Meanwhile, Burns has looked beastly on Carolina :(


Wisty, there is plenty of time for you to flip back ! lol

Bush is still my guy but Burns would have been awesome as well.

[wist43]

Wisty, there is plenty of time for you to flip back ! lol

Bush is still my guy but Burns would have been awesome as well.

I never changed my mind on Burns, I still preferred him over Gary right along... the only thing that changed WRT my view of Gary was that he could be a player.

I had originally written him off b/c of his lack of production and injury history, but he did show up on tape.

That said, another thing that showed on tape from his college days was that jogging thing - WTF is that?? Complete lack of hustle and urgency. Very, very bad look.

I'm very skeptical of him again.

[Radagast]

The Packers / Ravens preseason scrimmage, IMO, was nothing short of SLOPPY.

Yes there were a few Packer bright spots, but the 2nd and 3rd tier players did not to be in sync. Kizer and the 1st team offense looked unpracticed. Rodgers "tight back" problem may have saved him from potential personal harm on the field, but while he may not need any game time, his fellow teammates do need game time with him. Practice affords Rodgers a protected environment, but his WRs,TEs, and RBs need real game time with their #1 QB to practice those busted play drills. Also there is no substitution for real game conditions to get the passing game into the tight synchronization that the Packers need.

If Rodgers and LaFleur are having a feud, they need to end such a childish thing. As good as Rodgers is, LaFleur IS the boss and his authority should not be questioned. If Rodgers is pouting over not being consulted as to the hiring of the new GB HC or not happy with being shifted to a new offensive system, then tough. As good as he is he is still an employee. A well paid employee, but not the boss. I never pictured #12 as a premadonna diva , but could it be true? Rodgers needs to trust his new boss and stop bucking like a wild horse. He may well discover that LaFleur is on to something and he needs to work with him and stop fighting him. (if he is)

[mraynrand]

The Packers / Ravens preseason scrimmage, IMO, was nothing short of SLOPPY.

Yes there were a few Packer bright spots, but the 2nd and 3rd tier players did not to be in sync. Kizer and the 1st team offense looked unpracticed. Rodgers "tight back" problem may have saved him from potential personal harm on the field

I thought the pass pro was fine

[pbmax]

I thought the pass pro was fine

I want to say the Packers should fire their #3 choice O line coach like the Dolphins, but it seems more likely that this is just the same trend of results from their approach to the draft.

[Radagast]

I want to say the Packers should fire their #3 choice O line coach like the Dolphins, but it seems more likely that this is just the same trend of results from their approach to the draft.

Not disagreeing with you at all, I just would appreciate an expanded version of what you posted. The assumption that we are all on the same page is wrong, but easily corrected. Would you please enlighten those of us that missed your tightly worded argument?

Thank You.

[pbmax]

Not disagreeing with you at all, I just would appreciate an expanded version of what you posted. The assumption that we are all on the same page is wrong, but easily corrected. Would you please enlighten those of us that missed your tightly worded argument?

Thank You.

The Packers, since Ted was in charge, have tended to draft left tackle types for all offensive line positions (with 1 exception at center - Linsley). That means tall athletic types with reach and quickness. That doesn't result in the greatest run blocking units. Part of the problem was personnel and part was the coach, as McCarthy spent more time in 11 on 11 with passing than running. LaFleur, in early indications, seems to emphasize running in 11 on 11 drills a bit more*.

Its true of their FA signing Turner who is playing RG now but could be built to play RT, and it might have been true with the draftee Jenkins, who played center in college but was known for his pass blocking and length. Several of the reviews of him said he was tall for a center and not much of a drive blocker.

OK, so this line won't drive block like the Dolphins of 1972. You can still get them moving or pulling or trapping and make hay. They were not a bad run blocking group two years ago, when it was Bach, Taylor, Linsley, Evans and Bulaga. So its possible to be effective with a little foresight and planning and not being stubborn about always winning one on one battles in the hole.

The outside zone scheme would be one way to do this. Bulaga is a little old and non-mobile these days, but its never going to be ideal at every position.

So far, the results have been poor. But its one camp and one game with starters. I would have hoped that the backups (and there might be depth here) would have fared better in the 2nd game, but the RBs are hurt. So its very hard to judge.

But having their 2nd or 3rd choice of O line coach (and him being very untested) is worrying. I was joking about firing him, because in reality, its going to take Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams being healthy before they have a chance and it might be six games into the season before we see those results.


* Though I would seriously doubt analysis that in a 2 hour practice that amounts to more than 5-15 more reps of running in that drill. So its not a sea change, but a point of emphasis. To do this, LaFleur does not run half-line drills like McCarthy did, which was one of his few good innovations in the last few years.

[CaptainKickass]

I watched the whole game and after sleeping on it, I really feel like Lance Boyle, Michael Bolton, Daryl Hall, Cindy Crawford and Suzanne Summers all played rather well.

[mraynrand]

I watched the whole game and after sleeping on it, I really feel like Lance Boyle, Michael Bolton, Daryl Hall, Cindy Crawford and Suzanne Summers all played rather well.

Bolton was literally running in circles after an early play fake (third play?). His TE was open by ten yards but Jackson went to the guy covered by Jalex. His rookieness worries me.

[Radagast]

pbmax,

I found your post enlightening and to the point. Thank you.

That said, I've not seen enough of the real 1st team to offer a proper opinion of the running or the passing game. Rodgers decision to suddenly develop "back tightness" before the Ravens game, IMO, is an insult to HC LaFleur and hurts the team as real game pass timing practice was sacrificed. This may not affect Rodgers, but his teammates miss playing with their #1 QB. Kizer and Boyle are no substitute for Rodgers.

Until now I did not want to believe that LaFleur and Rodgers were feuding, however when you add up the audible story, with the comment about not liking practice with the Texans, and now conveniently developing a "back tightness" issue has me questioning Rodgers commitment to the TEAM. Is he butting heads with LaFleur or not willing to risk injury in a scrimmage game? At any rate, Rodgers is not projecting the image I look for in an elite NFL QB.

[mraynrand]

That said, I've not seen enough of the real 1st team to offer a proper opinion of the running or the passing game. Rodgers decision to suddenly develop "back tightness" before the Ravens game, IMO, is an insult to HC LaFleur and hurts the team as real game pass timing practice was sacrificed.

Are you claiming he had no back tightness? Do you have any proof?

[gbgary]

Are you claiming he had no back tightness? Do you have any proof?

that theory was advanced this morning on pft by co-host dan katz. wtfk!

as for the game. some good moments, some not so good. typical meh preseason game.

[Joemailman]

Bolton was literally running in circles after an early play fake (third play?). His TE was open by ten yards but Jackson went to the guy covered by Jalex. His rookieness worries me.

I believe there is a good chance that an ILB not currently on the roster will be getting lots of playing time come September.

[mraynrand]

that theory was advanced this morning on pft by co-host dan katz. wtfk!

Can I assume he had no proof either?

[RashanGary]

I saw AR stretching his back on the sideline. I’m buying the back tightness.

[pbmax]

Until now I did not want to believe that LaFleur and Rodgers were feuding, however when you add up the audible story, with the comment about not liking practice with the Texans, and now conveniently developing a "back tightness" issue has me questioning Rodgers commitment to the TEAM. Is he butting heads with LaFleur or not willing to risk injury in a scrimmage game? At any rate, Rodgers is not projecting the image I look for in an elite NFL QB.

The good money is that each is staking out turf. What they HAVE to have to operate. PeterKing and the Ringer's Robert Mays each did a post this week, looking at the audible thing from their visit last week.

Matt Ryan made it into the piece, saying that he too worked with LaFleur, McVay and Shanny Jr. to put in the plays he had to have to operate. And they had a record breaking season on offense.

So its a negotiation. And LaFleur has picked up his game in public comments this last week, still giving room for his QB to get some of what he wants but also being clear its got to be his offense.

I think its much ado about business as usual. My greater concern is whether it will actually work given the parts that M4 has in place.

https://sports.nbcsports.com/2019/08/12/aaron-rodgers-new-packers-coach-matt-lafleur-learning-to-work-together/

https://www.theringer.com/nfl-preview/2019/8/13/20802817/green-bay-packers-matt-lafleur-aaron-rodgers-prime

[pbmax]

I saw AR stretching his back on the sideline. I’m buying the back tightness.

Well, you know, I cough into the phone when I call in sick Justin. Some things are just common courtesy.

:D

[Bretsky]

I never changed my mind on Burns, I still preferred him over Gary right along... the only thing that changed WRT my view of Gary was that he could be a player.

I had originally written him off b/c of his lack of production and injury history, but he did show up on tape.

That said, another thing that showed on tape from his college days was that jogging thing - WTF is that?? Complete lack of hustle and urgency. Very, very bad look.

I'm very skeptical of him again.



Fritz and I have a nicely padded VIP seat ready for you on the Sherry Gary Bus , but you only get VIP status if you flip now

[call_me_ishmael]

Why don't we give the kid a few weeks before we crown him.

He has flashed consistently in practice. That's a good sign.

He works hard and is in ZSmith's ear constantly trying to get better. That's a good sign.

It is WAY TOO EARLY to start the bust talk. By that logic, you fools would be hatin' on year one and year two Jadeveon Clowney, who is the most physically talented edge player in the league and is close to putting it all together.

[Bretsky]

Why don't we give the kid a few weeks before we crown him.

He has flashed consistently in practice. That's a good sign.

He works hard and is in ZSmith's ear constantly trying to get better. That's a good sign.

It is WAY TOO EARLY to start the bust talk. By that logic, you fools would be hatin' on year one and year two Jadeveon Clowney, who is the most physically talented edge player in the league and is close to putting it all together.



To be fair I liked Clowney right out of college; he was way too elite to fail.

Plenty of history in Michigan to already believe he's Tarzan playing like Jane.

I hope he becomes a Tarzan for GB though

[call_me_ishmael]

To be fair I liked Clowney right out of college; he was way too elite to fail.

Plenty of history in Michigan to already believe he's Tarzan playing like Jane.

Look up Clowney's junior year at SC then. Many thought he was mailing it in to get to the pros. His sack numbers were actually worse than Gary's, but he did have almost 2x the tackles for loss. He was too elite to fail. Gary works hard by all accounts, and is basically an equal athlete to Clowney. Is he also too elite to fail?

My take on it is give the kid some time. My belief is the youth has a very high floor which is basically a better-than-solid starter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadeveon_Clowney#2013_season
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/rashan-gary-1.html

[mraynrand]

This is Packerrats. It’s never too early to forecast failure and disaster. I predict the entire 2020 draft will be a debacle.

[Bretsky]

Look up Clowney's junior year at SC then. Many thought he was mailing it in to get to the pros. His sack numbers were actually worse than Gary's, but he did have almost 2x the tackles for loss. He was too elite to fail. Gary works hard by all accounts, and is basically an equal athlete to Clowney. Is he also too elite to fail?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadeveon_Clowney#2013_season
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/rashan-gary-1.html


Other than the media pimping him a couple times, I'm not a buyer of this yet. Need to see it in games

[Bretsky]

This is Packerrats. It’s never too early to forecast failure and disaster. I predict the entire 2020 draft will be a debacle.


My sarcastic counter. This is Packerrats; everything should be fluffy roses until the players switch teams. Then they suck :)

[mraynrand]

Other than the media pimping him a couple times, I'm not a buyer of this yet. Need to see it in games

I agree. Hopefully Gary is just dogging it because after all, it’s preseason.

[mraynrand]

Well, you know, I cough into the phone when I call in sick Justin. Some things are just common courtesy.

:D

I can’t seem to find anything wrong with you, Mr. Babar.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Look up Clowney's junior year at SC then. Many thought he was mailing it in to get to the pros. His sack numbers were actually worse than Gary's, but he did have almost 2x the tackles for loss. He was too elite to fail. Gary works hard by all accounts, and is basically an equal athlete to Clowney. Is he also too elite to fail?

My take on it is give the kid some time. My belief is the youth has a very high floor which is basically a better-than-solid starter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadeveon_Clowney#2013_season
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/rashan-gary-1.html

Vincent Smith would like to disagree with your mailing it in statement.

https://youtu.be/ENuZHnQlqX0

[wist43]

I can’t seem to find anything wrong with you, Mr. Babar.

Is that with 2 B's??

[pbmax]

@BillHuberSI
Why you have to look beyond the box score: Tra Carson had six carries for 9 yards, a pitiful 1.5-yard average. By my count, though, he had 18 yards after contact.

FIRE THE O LINE COACH! STEPANOVICH OR STEVOVICH OR STEINWICZ OR STEINWAY

[call_me_ishmael]

I believe there is a good chance that an ILB not currently on the roster will be getting lots of playing time come September.

Josh Jones traded for a 2-3 year player who has a lot of physical talent but hasn't yet lived up to the hype at MLB. That's what I predict.

[call_me_ishmael]

Other than the media pimping him a couple times, I'm not a buyer of this yet. Need to see it in games

Sure, no need to be a buyer yet, but way too early to be a seller.

[call_me_ishmael]

Vincent Smith would like to disagree with your mailing it in statement.

https://youtu.be/ENuZHnQlqX0

That was Sophomore year and yeah, if it wasn't for that hit I believe Clowney would have flown way more under the radar than he did. His junior year there was a lot of speculation that he was hurt or mailing it in. Maybe he was - who knows - I can honestly say I have no recollection of watching a game he played in that year.

The singular point here is the chatter we're hearing about Gary is not unique to him - rather many top prospects had less-than-stellar college results. Often times it's because they're double or triple teamed. Of course, if Gary was a 100% sure thing with his measurable he is picked #1 unquestionably in the 2019 draft. It's way too early to be disappointed in the pick or start the bust talk.

[Joemailman]

Josh Jones traded for a 2-3 year player who has a lot of physical talent but hasn't yet lived up to the hype at MLB. That's what I predict.

That's probably right. Jones missed Week 1 vs. Texans with an undisclosed injury. He missed last week with an "illness." I think he's being held out to avoid injury until they can work out a trade. The sooner the better. Don't want guys around who don't want to be here.

[Radagast]

That's probably right. Jones missed Week 1 vs. Texans with an undisclosed injury. He missed last week with an "illness." I think he's being held out to avoid injury until they can work out a trade. The sooner the better. Don't want guys around who don't want to be here.


You may just be right, but what player position would they be eager to trade for? A Left Guard that better fits the LaFleur offensive system or an Inside Linebacker to line up with Martinez (replacing Oren Burks). For me they seem to be the weak areas on the Packers offense/defense. Package Josh Jones and Lane Taylor together and GB could get a prime player in return.

[texaspackerbacker]

How many player for player trades do you see these days? Not very damn many. Undoubtedly, if Jones is traded, it will be for a draft pick - 4th is probably too much to hope for, 5th would be good, 6th or 7th is the most likely if that.

[Joemailman]

How many player for player trades do you see these days? Not very damn many. Undoubtedly, if Jones is traded, it will be for a draft pick - 4th is probably too much to hope for, 5th would be good, 6th or 7th is the most likely if that.

Last year the Packers traded Lenzy Pipkens for Antonio Morrison.

[Radagast]

Last year the Packers traded Lenzy Pipkens for Antonio Morrison.

Don't mind Tex. he wants to be relevant, but can't see the forest for the trees.

A trade or picking up some last minute player cut from another team possibly will occur. In my opinion (IMO) the pressure is already on the Packers GM to find a more system suitable LG for the offense. A roster LB like Curtis Bolton or Ty Summers might step up and fill Oren Burks ILB slot. As for OLG, the GB roster if full of pass blockers that are not 1st string Run blockers. A dramatic change at LG needs to (and will) take place.

[Joemailman]

Either Taylor or Jenkins will be the LG.

[texaspackerbacker]

As has been said, we are likely to see a lot of 3-3-5, which would mean one ILB on the field. Combining that with the way Bolton has played and to a lesser extent Summers has played, plus the fact that we're not sure yet that Burks is gone for the season, it's entirely probable that we don't need any help at ILB.

As for Josh Jones, there seems to be a consensus that he won't be a Packer this season. I wouldn't dispute the likelihood of that. If/when he goes, though, I'd bet money that we get a low round pick or nothing at all.

[RashanGary]

Keke flashing more in practice. Lancaster can fill in at NT. Looks like Keke might be able to play a little bit. Now ideally one of the other backup DE types will be serviceable too. Then we’re about as ready as you can be for an NFL season.

[pbmax]

As has been said, we are likely to see a lot of 3-3-5, which would mean one ILB on the field. Combining that with the way Bolton has played and to a lesser extent Summers has played, plus the fact that we're not sure yet that Burks is gone for the season, it's entirely probable that we don't need any help at ILB.

As for Josh Jones, there seems to be a consensus that he won't be a Packer this season. I wouldn't dispute the likelihood of that. If/when he goes, though, I'd bet money that we get a low round pick or nothing at all.

3-3-5 might have four linebackers on the field.

[Cheesehead Craig]

3-3-5 might have four linebackers on the field.

Depends where the hand placement is.

[texaspackerbacker]

3-3-5 might have four linebackers on the field.

True, but very unlikely that more than one of them will be named Martinez, Bolton, Summers, or Burks.

Clark plus Martinez plus as many as 4 OLBs - 2 of them lined up as DEs.

[pbmax]

Depends where the hand placement is.

Man I don't want to go through that again.

[pbmax]

True, but very unlikely that more than one of them will be named Martinez, Bolton, Summers, or Burks.

Clark plus Martinez plus as many as 4 OLBs - 2 of them lined up as DEs.

Its a good question. Earlier I posted a link to a GIF of the dime defense. It was the Smiths, Gary and Fackrell. But if they are thinking run, I expect another ILB out there. We'll see.