The official Packers-Raiders Gameday Thread

[pbmax]

Who had the midair hit? Nice job.

[beveaux1]

That ball control offense isn’t as sexy when you turn the ball over twice at the one yard line. Honestly, Packers aren’t as good as the score, but they have potential to evolve into a championship team with some health bounces.

We have serious weaknesses...but we have Rodgers.

[RashanGary]

Not desperation but a lot of longer throws on 3rd down. They are clearing 3rd and 6 with a 20 yard throw.

Because defenses have to cover flats, hooks, slants, screens and runs. That’s why the bombs are so effortless.

[pbmax]

Who had the midair hit? Nice job.

Goodson.

[TravisWilliams23]

8 minute drive should seal the deal.

[RashanGary]

8 minute drive should seal the deal.

A first down seals it!

[pbmax]

Because defenses have to cover flats, hooks, slants, screens and runs. That’s why the bombs are so effortless.

Sure. It’s a well balanced pass attack. And a nice job of Rodgers and M4 getting there despite the outside zone being fitful.

Good job of adapting to the talent.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Rodgers has played near perfect game. Rest of team just needs to be OK.

[pbmax]

Williams going to get a minus on that play.

[RashanGary]

Romo calling a great game. Pointing out subtleties that people who only see stats can’t see.

[MadtownPacker]

Sure. It’s a well balanced pass attack. And a nice job of Rodgers and M4 getting there despite the outside zone being fitful.

Good job of adapting to the talent.I can’t get onboard with the M4 name. He isn’t a Mike so it should die.

[Harlan Huckleby]

weapon time

[MadtownPacker]

So Oreilly got out of Oz and is on the streets causing shit?

[beveaux1]

Pass rush ought to get there, now.

[pbmax]

Because defenses have to cover flats, hooks, slants, screens and runs. That’s why the bombs are so effortless.

Not sure about effortless. Receivers aren’t that open except that out route to sideline against Cover 2. Rodgers accuracy has been getting better.

Their hands have been much better today.

Rodgers is healing up and getting better.

[RashanGary]

When Adams comes back I picture a lot of 21 and 11 personnel. When we do play 11, I could see Adams in the slot some of the time with Lazard and MVS outside. Allison will still play some slot too. But I could see things changing a little

[pbmax]

I can’t get onboard with the M4 name. He isn’t a Mike so it should die.

Yeah, it should be Flower but old habits die hard.

[RashanGary]

Damn, king played that well. That’s nfl football

[pbmax]

Pretty good coverage.

[yetisnowman]

Gruden is an idiot for not taking the FG

Nah. They were on the 1 and need 7+8+3 just to tie. Can't take the 3 there with 10 mins left. Never on the 1

[RashanGary]

Three turnovers at the 1. Game.

[pbmax]

Turnover machine and I don’t know which way I mean.

[beveaux1]

Really good catch.

[pbmax]

Amos and King.

[TravisWilliams23]

Carr has 2 killer turn overs in the game. That should do it.

[beveaux1]

Oakland will have a pretty good team by the end of the year. With a good draft, they could be contenders next year.

[Gotarace]

I can’t get onboard with the M4 name. He isn’t a Mike so it should die.

Is LaVerne better?

[pbmax]

Stick with inside zone.

[George Cumby]

^ Lol

[pbmax]

I think his leg is OK.

[pbmax]

^ Lol

Could be worse, I was about to complain about the empty backfield.

[RashanGary]

Rodgers stats :lol:

Sometimes the stats aren’t misleading. It certainly doesn’t tell the subtle story, but Rodgers certainly had a great game. No Better than the last 3 though

[MadtownPacker]

Nah. They were on the 1 and need 7+8+3 just to tie. Can't take the 3 there with 10 mins left. Never on the 1the blew it all day from the 1. The FG would have made it 20-35 and they got a stop after the blown 4th down try. 15 down would have had a chance. 17-35 was pretty much game.

[pbmax]

Why is Davis not still on this team?

[smuggler]

You can tell MVS is only about 80%, but he's still plenty fast.

[RashanGary]

I would not be playing Z or Clark

[pbmax]

Former $15 million dollar Bear QB in the game. Mike Glennon.

[RashanGary]

Yep. Fackrell, Gary, Keke, etc....

[Tony Oday]

Reggie White's right heel was out of bounds on the first Lambeau Leep!

[pbmax]

Should play Fackrell at ILB.

[RashanGary]

All hand offs. No Bakh or Bulaga

[run pMc]

Rodgers stats :lol:

Sometimes the stats aren’t misleading. It certainly doesn’t tell the subtle story, but Rodgers certainly had a great game. No Better than the last 3 though

Well if you have him on your fantasy team, you're in good shape.
Turning point in this game was the fumble-touchback-TD before half, and clinched by the goal line stand. Larrivee threw the dagger on the radio with the MVS TD.

[pbmax]

Boyle is #2?

[smuggler]

Why is Davis not still on this team?

Because the Raiders offered a 6th for him and not Shepherd.

[run pMc]

A DEXTER WILLIAMS sighting!

[beveaux1]

Boyle gets playing time.

[pbmax]

Because the Raiders offered a 6th for him and not Shepherd.

Think he is slightly better than Allison.

[beveaux1]

Boyle is #2?

He's the only other QB on the roster.

[pbmax]

He's the only other QB on the roster.

Oh yeah.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Waller is Jimmy Graham in his prime.

[pbmax]

Jackson not ready yet. Onside kick coming up.

[beveaux1]

D has not played well today.

[pbmax]

Good play.

[TravisWilliams23]

Shepherd just doesn't have any explosiveness on returns. Should have kept Davis. Gute screwed that one up.

[RashanGary]

Waller is Jimmy Graham in his prime.

Not a bad comparison. Maybe even better hands.

[RashanGary]

Shepherd just doesn't have any explosiveness on returns. Should have kept Davis. Gute screwed that one up.

Agree

[Rastak]

Looks like you boys beat the shit out of the Raiders.....as expected.

[run pMc]

Rodgers was a stud today, having MVS and G-Mo helped but felt like the offense was actually moving pretty good. Not sure if OAK's D is that bad or what, but I'll take 25-31 for 429 and 5 TDs any day. 6-1 is pretty good spot to be.
Only thing is the Z.Smith didn't get to show off his new sack dance today.

[RashanGary]

Shepherd just doesn't have any explosiveness on returns. Should have kept Davis. Gute screwed that one up.

The sixth round pick makes it more tolerable though. That could be the next Mason Crosby or used to move up into the 4th again and draft the next Sitton, Lang, Tretter, Lindsley, MVS, Aaron Jones, etc.....

[RashanGary]

AR making MVP push.

[Radagast]

6 - 1

It's a very good thing.

[gbgary]

bend-don't-break bent A LOT today. frustrating watching them play so much soft zone. i don't get it.
the O on the other hand was terrific. small ball, move the chains, run, set up the big play. worked like a charm. rodgers best game in how many years?

[gbgary]

AR making MVP push.

whodathunkit.

[pbmax]

whodathunkit.

:tup:

[Joemailman]

Impressive streak by Bobblehead. Now he takes his show on the road.

[bobblehead]

Should play Fackrell at ILB.
I've been skimming the thread and avoiding posting, but this I have to respond to. I thought that exact same thing a couple times during today's game. He was moving through traffic and it occurred to me he could do it.

[texaspackerbacker]

Good idea, but I doubt it happens.

[Zool]

The D is still bleeding yards at an alarming rate. Are the O's from the last 3 weeks that much better than the first few weeks?

[hoosier]

Raiders and Cowboys OLs are among the best in the league. If offenses are scheming to neutralize the Smith Bros, Packers need to find more push from the interior to make up for it. Clark, for whatever reason, isn't providing that right now.

[bobblehead]

Rodgers was a stud today, having MVS and G-Mo helped but felt like the offense was actually moving pretty good. Not sure if OAK's D is that bad or what, but I'll take 25-31 for 429 and 5 TDs any day. 6-1 is pretty good spot to be.
Only thing is the Z.Smith didn't get to show off his new sack dance today.

What you witnessed is a HOF QB embracing an offensive theory that has been successful since Walsh made a splash in SF. Run effectively. Short passes. When they try and take it away, long passes. Remember guys like Roger Craig having 1k rushing AND receiving while Also taking deeper shots with Freddie Soloman. Over the years the names changed, but the design keeps winning. Faulk and Bruce and Holt. Gurley Cooks and Cupp. Its not a secret (except to M3 and a few other bad coaches), but when you put Rodgers in charge of it....

[bobblehead]

Raiders and Cowboys OLs are among the best in the league. If offenses are scheming to neutralize the Smith Bros, Packers need to find more push from the interior to make up for it. Clark, for whatever reason, isn't providing that right now.

Its weakest/strongest link theory. Bak looked like no one could beat him when our guards were getting beat so fast and bad. This season he is more human (still very good, but human). Clark looked like best pass rusher when no one else could get home, but smiths get there fast enough that clark is just providing support by not allowing QB to step up. He is still playing well, just can't get to QB.

[pbmax]

I've been skimming the thread and avoiding posting, but this I have to respond to. I thought that exact same thing a couple times during today's game. He was moving through traffic and it occurred to me he could do it.

This season is like a Science Fiction movie. One of us will soon turn into a weird goo.

[pbmax]

The D is still bleeding yards at an alarming rate. Are the O's from the last 3 weeks that much better than the first few weeks?

I think there are still some personnel issues, but those last 3 O's had a full complement of tape and so they are game planning versus the exact D this year.

The first Pettine counter adjustment was more zone, which had lots of issues. We'll see where he goes from here.

I expect this D to be about the same as the 2014-2015 Capers D. With more experience, that zone will tighten and the defense will get better. But I expect them to be middle of the pack.

[hoosier]

Its weakest/strongest link theory. Bak looked like no one could beat him when our guards were getting beat so fast and bad. This season he is more human (still very good, but human). Clark looked like best pass rusher when no one else could get home, but smiths get there fast enough that clark is just providing support by not allowing QB to step up. He is still playing well, just can't get to QB.

I'm not sure it's as simple as being made to look good by proximity to incompetence. Clark is also giving up a lot of ground on run plays. And yesterday in pass rush, the Smiths couldn't get any kind of push and still Clark was almost completely ineffective at collapsing the pocket. Something doesn't look right there.

[Smidgeon]

Two thoughts: Rodgers' most impressive stat to me was how balanced the receptions were. Nobody had just one, and nobody had 10 (forget the max). The ball was spread around consistently which is impressive without Adams.

Second, this D is giving up yards, but they tighten at the goal line. I'll take that for now.

[pbmax]

Two thoughts: Rodgers' most impressive stat to me was how balanced the receptions were. Nobody had just one, and nobody had 10 (forget the max). The ball was spread around consistently which is impressive without Adams.

Second, this D is giving up yards, but they tighten at the goal line. I'll take that for now.

The situational D is the best part of the D, with possible exception of pressure numbers that look to be up.

Goal line, short yardage and 3rd and long all look much better.

[pbmax]

I'm not sure it's as simple as being made to look good by proximity to incompetence. Clark is also giving up a lot of ground on run plays. And yesterday in pass rush, the Smiths couldn't get any kind of push and still Clark was almost completely ineffective at collapsing the pocket. Something doesn't look right there.

Dr. Zaius is beat up but they did everything but throw a kitchen sink at him yesterday. Cut blocks and double teams mostly (plus some chips).

Preston was having more luck with his bull rush but he wasn't getting to Carr before the ball came out.

Versus a quick pass attack, you need middle pressure. Without Clark healthy, it's missing. Lowry has come down from his early season crescendo.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

What you witnessed is a HOF QB embracing an offensive theory that has been successful since Walsh made a splash in SF. Run effectively. Short passes. When they try and take it away, long passes. Remember guys like Roger Craig having 1k rushing AND receiving while Also taking deeper shots with Freddie Soloman. Over the years the names changed, but the design keeps winning. Faulk and Bruce and Holt. Gurley Cooks and Cupp. Its not a secret (except to M3 and a few other bad coaches), but when you put Rodgers in charge of it....

Not to be a smart-ass, but the only thing the WCO and the Air Coryell have in common is they both are pass-first schemes. In other words, neither Walsh nor Martz ran your preferred blond, bland, obsolete conservative system.

[Zool]

Not to be a smart-ass, but the only thing the WCO and the Air Coryell have in common is they both are pass-first schemes. In other words, neither Walsh nor Martz ran your preferred blond, bland, obsolete conservative system.

Now WCO is pass first?

[pbmax]

Now WCO is pass first?

Has been since they went away from split backs.

Only legacies hanging on are Shanahans. I think Gruden would pass more if he liked his QB more.

[Joemailman]

Has been since they went away from split backs.

Only legacies hanging on are Shanahans. I think Gruden would pass more if he liked his QB more.

Problem is Gruden never seems to like his quarterbacks.

[Zool]

Has been since they went away from split backs.

Only legacies hanging on are Shanahans. I think Gruden would pass more if he liked his QB more.

So is it WCO anymore?

[pbmax]

So is it WCO anymore?

Not really. Reid was the last acolyte you could directly trace to Walsh. Gruden is back but who knows what he wants to do.

But the basic points, route concepts versus zone, it'll always be around. He'd still torture Cover 2.

So the playbook is gone. But the influence (plays and ideas) remain.

[bobblehead]

Not to be a smart-ass, but the only thing the WCO and the Air Coryell have in common is they both are pass-first schemes. In other words, neither Walsh nor Martz ran your preferred blond, bland, obsolete conservative system.

You misunderstand what I want. When I botched about m3 he was calling 9...NINE run plays a game and no....ZERO short passes underneath. It was a disaster. Again, I don't necessarily advocate for one version or the other, simply the theory. Run well and enough. Pass underneath. If they collapse on it pass over the top. It ain't rocket science and u can do it Walsh, shannahan or vermeil style. Doesn't matter.

[texaspackerbacker]

Not to be a smart-ass, but the only thing the WCO and the Air Coryell have in common is they both are pass-first schemes. In other words, neither Walsh nor Martz ran your preferred blond, bland, obsolete conservative system.

Yeah, It would be nice to have a branch off the Coryell or Martz coaching tree.

After Sunday's game, though, it seems like maybe LaFleur is coming around to something resembling that too.

[yetisnowman]

Two thoughts: Rodgers' most impressive stat to me was how balanced the receptions were. Nobody had just one, and nobody had 10 (forget the max). The ball was spread around consistently which is impressive without Adams.

Second, this D is giving up yards, but they tighten at the goal line. I'll take that for now.

The max was 4. Pretty incredible.