Utilization of the Packers WRs when Adams comes back....

[RashanGary]

Using the simplistic, caveman football philosophy of, “putting players in position to accentuate their strengths” heres what I see coming

2 WR sets between the 20s will be mostly Adams and MVS. MVS takes the top off and Adams is Adams

2 WR sets in the redzone will be either Adams/Allison or Adams/Lazard. MVS struggles in traffic so will not play much in redzone

3 WR sets between 20s will be mostly Adams/MVS/Allison with Allison in slot. This is the most trusted, experienced grouping

3 WR sets between the 20s will occasionally see Adams/MVS/Lazard with Adams in the slot. This will help get Lazard on the field a little more and in this case, Adams is our best slot guy.



Obviously there are 1 WR sets and 4 WR and 5.... those are uncommon so I’m not gonna attempt to predict every situation exactly. I’m just giving some general ways to accentuate the best skills of our guys in the common 2/3 wr sets and in the common situations.

[RashanGary]

The emergence of Lazard might take snaps away from Graham as well.

So Lazard steals MVS redzone snaps
A few of Allison’s 3 WR snaps, moving Adams inside occasionally
A few of Graham’s snaps

[hoosier]

I'm not sold yet on the emergence of Lazard. He has made a few great plays, yeah, but so did Janis. Hell, even Ruvell Martin had a couple of nice catches. I want to see the guy continue to produce once he has shown up on some radar screens before announcing his arrival. Until then he's just another UFA with some intriguing potential.

[pbmax]

I'm not sold yet on the emergence of Lazard. He has made a few great plays, yeah, but so did Janis. Hell, even Ruvell Martin had a couple of nice catches. I want to see the guy continue to produce once he has shown up on some radar screens before announcing his arrival. Until then he's just another UFA with some intriguing potential.

Would also be nice to see him successfully run something other than a Go pattern down the sideline.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Would also be nice to see him successfully run something other than a Go pattern down the sideline.

Lazard should be capable of running other routes, as he’s not stiff like Sloth and Martin (and Darren Charles). Lazard looks like a poor man’s Mike Evens.

[pbmax]

Lazard should be capable of running other routes, as he’s not stiff like Sloth and Martin (and Darren Charles). Lazard looks like a poor man’s Mike Evens.

Being a former, possible, shut down corner, you know that speed is not a skill that translates to good routes elsewhere.

[call_me_ishmael]

Whenever Kumerow gets a chance, he produces. Keep it rollin' with him.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Being a former, possible, shut down corner, you know that speed is not a skill that translates to good routes elsewhere.

The notion that sub 4.4 WRs can’t run anything but the bomb route is pure stereotype. Pretty sure Megatron and Julio Jones, among others, debunked that notion.

Lazard didn’t run 4.3, but he did run a 4.55. Not bad for a 6’5” 230 guy. I thought he was stiff, as in deer-legged sloth. Dude looks pretty agile to me.

When the Fraud returns, bench Sloth and play the Lizard. Or trade for Julio Jones.

[RashanGary]

When the Fraud returns, bench Sloth and play the Lizard. Or trade for Julio Jones.

Who plays in the slot? Does MVS play? He has more 40+ yard catches than anyone in the NFL according to some twitter post some where this week that I don’t give a fuck to site....

[RashanGary]

You’re making sense tho, APB...... I’m just curious how you see it happening. I laid out what I see as likely based on my idiot cave man philosophy. I’m curious what you want to see.

[mraynrand]

The notion that sub 4.4 WRs can’t run anything but the bomb route is pure stereotype.

You’re getting the logic backwards. The point is that his outside speed or go route success doesn’t mean he’s physically unable to run inside slot patterns. It’s likely he’s just too green to do it. More adjustments and trust issues there. Also, increased INT risk when you bungle patterns.

[Joemailman]

I'm not sold yet on the emergence of Lazard. He has made a few great plays, yeah, but so did Janis. Hell, even Ruvell Martin had a couple of nice catches. I want to see the guy continue to produce once he has shown up on some radar screens before announcing his arrival. Until then he's just another UFA with some intriguing potential.

I don't think the Janis comparison is apt because Arod has confidence in Lazard that he never had in Janis. The Ruvell Martin comparison is closer because they're both big receivers who are not blessed with great speed. I get the sense though that Lazard is able to get a little better separation off the line than Ruvell did.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Who plays in the slot? Does MVS play? He has more 40+ yard catches than anyone in the NFL according to some twitter post some where this week that I don’t give a fuck to site....

Aside from Shepherd, and he kinda sucks, the Packers don’t really have a true slotman (unless Ryan Grant surprises everyone). I’d just move guys inside and outside interchangeably, ala Jennings and Nelson during the old regime.

[mraynrand]

Lazard looks stronger than Ruvell.

[texaspackerbacker]

Maybe not this season, but at some point, I'd like to see them experiment with switching Lazard to TE.

At some point, I think Shepherd gets out of the dog house and helps the team as a slot receiver.

I don't like the idea of Adams in the slot because 1. he seems better outside than going across the middle and 2. I don't like slant routes in general.

Calling Allison a sloth is getting old and decreasingly accurate. The guy gets the job done more often than not on a good variety of routes.

I also want to see more of Kumerow.

What does all that add up to? 1. We absolutely do not need additional WRs either by trade or draft. 2. We should go with more 3 and 4 and rarely even 5 WR sets with one or the other of Lazard or Kumerow in the slot, using them more like H backs or TEs than the way most teams use the slot man - kinda the way Oakland killed us with Waller in the middle of the field. That and keep Adams and MVS on the outside with Allison and Kumerow rotating with the other two.

[RashanGary]

I didn’t think of it that way, Tex, but based on you being more right than me lately, I’m open to seeing it play out that way. I don’t agree, but I’m not rejecting it outright

[Joemailman]

If you have a chance to draft another Davante Adams in the 2nd round, you don't pass it up because you have Jake Kumerow and Allen Lazard.

[RashanGary]

One thing I’m definitely in opposition to common perception is the value of MVS. That one trick he has is a good trick between the 20s. I’m a fan. Glad we have lizard to take is place in the redzone though.

[RashanGary]

MVS is the equivalent to a pass rush specialist. You don’t want to have him in some spots, but you’re glad you have him in others.

[run pMc]

MVS is the player they hoped Trevor Davis would be. Threatens the defense with speed on deep throws. He's a solid #3 WR IMO. They need someone else to help Adams when he's back. Jimmy Graham ain't it.
Lazard has the look of a #4 WR...hustles, can be used for certain matchups, jump balls, special teams.

No idea what you do with Kumerow. He's basically a #4 WR also.
It's been mentioned by several posters that all these players feel like #3-5WRs, and I think that's true. They've been smart in some of their schemes, spreading the ball around, and especially with using the backs as receiving options. The one game Rodgers really fed Adams the ball they lost.
As it stands right now, I'd be surprised if Gute didn't take a WR in the top 3 rounds next draft.

[hoosier]

I don't think the Janis comparison is apt because Arod has confidence in Lazard that he never had in Janis. The Ruvell Martin comparison is closer because they're both big receivers who are not blessed with great speed. I get the sense though that Lazard is able to get a little better separation off the line than Ruvell did.

Yeah, those two were.really just analogies of guys who looked promising at o e poi t but never really to realize it. Agreed they are each their on animal.

[RashanGary]

#1 Adams

#3 who impacts more like a 2 when there is a lot of field to stretch, MVS (but you don’t want to play him when it’s a short field)
#3 who impacts more like a 2 when there less field and more traffic, Lazard (but his limitations are exaggerated on a long field)


I don’t think we have a true, every snap #2 WR but I think we have a couple complimentary #3 guys who are ideal situational fits and together make up that second guy for us.

Allison is just a 3 with no redeeming situational quality that makes him like a 2

[RashanGary]

So our top 4 receivers combined make a #1, #2 and #3. If they all finish healthy, I don’t see it as a weak spot in the post season. If one of the top 3 is down, I think we lose some situational fire power.

[texaspackerbacker]

If you have a chance to draft another Davante Adams in the 2nd round, you don't pass it up because you have Jake Kumerow and Allen Lazard.

There's no guarantee somebody drafted in the second round would be "another Davante Adams". For that matter, the real Davante Adams wasn't too highly thought of for the first couple of years we had him - I'd venture to say, not as good as Kumerow and Lazard have been so far in their careers.

[call_me_ishmael]

For that matter, the real Davante Adams wasn't too highly thought of for the first couple of years we had him - I'd venture to say, not as good as Kumerow and Lazard have been so far in their careers.

This might be the worst take of the year. Kumerow is a career back-up who hasn't gotten on the field ever consistently in his career. Lazard to this point has had one game and other than that hasn't sniffed playing time. Adams was the third starting receiver and received a great deal of acclaim from Rodgers in his rookie year including him calling him a pro-bowl type talent as a rookie.

[HarveyWallbangers]

We'll draft a WR high next year. MVS is nice as a #3, but he has no ball skills. People don't gain that once they get in the NFL, so he'll likely be that for the rest of his career. It's why I wasn't upset with Rodgers first ball to him. Any deeper and MVS probably lobsters it.

[RashanGary]

MVS has more 40+ Yard catches so far this year than Adams has in any full season of his career.

MVS is an elite deep threat. His ball skills are great deep and bad when he’s in traffic and short

[texaspackerbacker]

As good as Davante Adams is now, he wasn't called the Fresno Fraud for nothing. I and a lot of others in here were really negative about him those early years.

I don't recall yay or nay if Rodgers had great things to say about him. He certainly has about Lazard and Kumerow, though. Those two have 5 and 10 career games respectively, and no more than 1 or 2 where they got significant playing time. When they have played, though, I stand by what I said, they showed as much or more promise as Davante.

And Valdez-Scantling has star written all over him. He's still learning route running, etc., but the speed and size are God-given. That and work ethic - which they say he definitely has - should keep him improving. And who says he can't play in the red zone? "hasn't yet in very limited samples" is very different from "can't".

Allison is the one who sort of resembles Ruvell Martin - which ain't that bad a thing when you're talking about your probably 5th best WR.

[RashanGary]

And Valdez-Scantling has star written all over him. He's still learning route running, etc., but the speed and size are God-given. That and work ethic - which they say he definitely has - should keep him improving. And who says he can't play in the red zone? "hasn't yet in very limited samples" is very different from "can't".

He’s such a dominant deep receiver right now. He does have a chance to evolve other parts of his game. Harvey did mention “ball skills” not being a trait that gets better with time so MVS being limited in some ways.

I agree that MVS has bad ball skills in traffic. I absolutely disagree that he has bad ball skills on deep throws. He adjusts to deep throws and catches them as well as any player in the NFL. So I see people as incorrectly lumping one area into the other.

[pbmax]

Lazard would make an ideal #4. Run a deep route with demonstrated success to occupy safeties or make them pay for single coverage deep. Early James Jones.

If he can learn to catch a slant or in breaking route, he'll be fine. Still need a Jennings to your Driver (Adams) or Driver to your Jennings (Adams) depending on your time frame.

Good note too about Davis. He seems best sitting down in zones, odd skill to develop with his speed.

[pbmax]

There's no guarantee somebody drafted in the second round would be "another Davante Adams". For that matter, the real Davante Adams wasn't too highly thought of for the first couple of years we had him - I'd venture to say, not as good as Kumerow and Lazard have been so far in their careers.

Everyone was high on Davante in his first year. His second year (foot/ankle injury) was the disappointment.

[ThunderDan]

There's no guarantee somebody drafted in the second round would be "another Davante Adams". For that matter, the real Davante Adams wasn't too highly thought of for the first couple of years we had him - I'd venture to say, not as good as Kumerow and Lazard have been so far in their careers.

When either Kumerow or Lazard go for 38 catches, 446 yards and 3 TDs please call me.

Kumerow is already in year 2 and has 12 career catches. Only Lazard has a chance to get anywhere close to those numbers in his rookie year.

[bobblehead]

To fully utilize Rodgers greatness you spread the ball. Its time to dish Adams for a couple of firsts.

[bobblehead]

Maybe not this season, but at some point, I'd like to see them experiment with switching Lazard to TE.

At some point, I think Shepherd gets out of the dog house and helps the team as a slot receiver.

I don't like the idea of Adams in the slot because 1. he seems better outside than going across the middle and 2. I don't like slant routes in general.

Calling Allison a sloth is getting old and decreasingly accurate. The guy gets the job done more often than not on a good variety of routes.

I also want to see more of Kumerow.

What does all that add up to? 1. We absolutely do not need additional WRs either by trade or draft. 2. We should go with more 3 and 4 and rarely even 5 WR sets with one or the other of Lazard or Kumerow in the slot, using them more like H backs or TEs than the way most teams use the slot man - kinda the way Oakland killed us with Waller in the middle of the field. That and keep Adams and MVS on the outside with Allison and Kumerow rotating with the other two.

They talked about Lazard becoming a TE, but decided against it. The way they use him is sort of old school Jimmy Graham anyway. Now they need to use him down the seam center field where Graham used to destroy souls. If he gets that down I don't care what they label him. I'll just call him the 6-5 230 pound soul crusher.

[bobblehead]

We'll draft a WR high next year. MVS is nice as a #3, but he has no ball skills. People don't gain that once they get in the NFL, so he'll likely be that for the rest of his career. It's why I wasn't upset with Rodgers first ball to him. Any deeper and MVS probably lobsters it.

James Jones anyone? MVS is a definite #2 talent. He is closing in on earning that title. He needs one more offseason of work in this offense. I still want to draft some WR/RB/TE talent early next year, but great WR are less important the better your D and QB are.

[RashanGary]

James Jones anyone? MVS is a definite #2 talent. He is closing in on earning that title. He needs one more offseason of work in this offense. I still want to draft some WR/RB/TE talent early next year, but great WR are less important the better your D and QB are.

It’s hard for me to put exact labels on guys. There are some, like Adams that just fit a common mold. Kind of your prototype do everything #1 WR.

Then you have guys who are just like Adams in that they do everything but not quite as well. James Jones comes to mind.

But then you have your odd ducks.... your Anquan Boldens and Desean Jackson’s and Wes Welkers. They don’t do everything well. In fact, theyre flat out pathetic in some areas. This is where good coaching is required. MVS is in this category and the reason I think the common fan is confused in how they’re labeling him is because they’re trying to fit him in a box that they’re accustomed to seeing.

MVS is an elite deep threat.

Elite speed
When the deep ball is on the air, he sees it quick and adjusts immediately
He has rare movement for a guy 6’4 so not only does he see it, but he has the ability to make adjustments at full speed
And his hands on deep throws are elite


If you’re a common fan, you say, he doesn’t fit into the complete box that i have permanently engrained in my rigid mind. So you dismiss him. A creative, open minded person sees how to accentuate his stengths and find a role for him in a dominant offense.

But what do I know, I’m just a mindless caveman mentaltard.

[pbmax]

To fully utilize Rodgers greatness you spread the ball. Its time to dish Adams for a couple of firsts.

Its like putting a helmet on a Jedi with the opaque blast shield down.

Waiting until you see Sanjay Beach open is just slowing you down.

[RashanGary]

James Jones anyone? MVS is a definite #2 talent. He is closing in on earning that title. He needs one more offseason of work in this offense. I still want to draft some WR/RB/TE talent early next year, but great WR are less important the better your D and QB are.

My theory is that MVS is an unusual talent in that he’s got mega stengths and mega weaknesses. Lazard is similar on that he’s got mega strengths and mega weaknesses. The cool thing is those two guys have opposite strengths and opposite weaknesses. With a little creative coaching to put guys in the right situations, I think we’re ok this year.

I’d like another Davante though. I’m down for getting better in any area.

[texaspackerbacker]

If you're talking about drafting a "Davante-like" WR in the first or second round, the comparison shouldn't be to a couple of UDFAs even if they are looking damn good. The comparison should be to what is expected of a high round WR draft pick. Adams was probably that even in his first couple of seasons, but the point is, with a few very very rare exceptions, you don't even expect WRs drafted early to become early superstars. And the more pertinent point than that is that a lot of them never do develop to be stars. Virtually no way you're gonna get a Beckham or Julio Jones, and probably well under 50/50 that you get a Davante Adams.

So considering how good our WRs are now, it would be stupid to draft one that high - or at all.

[mraynrand]

James Jones anyone? MVS is a definite #2 talent. He is closing in on earning that title. He needs one more offseason of work in this offense. I still want to draft some WR/RB/TE talent early next year, but great WR are less important the better your D and QB are.

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[run pMc]

So considering how good our WRs are now, it would be stupid to draft one that high - or at all.

Wow...that's a hot take I strongly disagree with. Looking at NFL WR squads, how many would you rank Green Bay above? Maybe 8 or 10? Besides Rodgers, Adams, and A.Jones, who are the legitimate playmakers on offense?
Even if Adams was healthy, GB receivers aren't a Top 10 group. Rodgers and a bad Oakland secondary made the WRs look better than they are. Give Rodgers another weapon or two and the MLF offense could be deadly. Maybe MVS develops, and maybe ESB comes back next year, and those are Day 3 gambles worth taking...but ignoring the position is dangerous and will only feed a narrative about wasting Rodgers with subpar/no talent and letting a window close.

Imagine if the OL consisted of Corey Linsley, Cole Madison, and a bunch of Alex Light UDFAs. Rodgers and the offense would suffer. It's the same idea with this group of WRs IMO.
You have to invest some draft capital in almost every position on the team (exceptions: LS, P, K and FB) or you end up starting M.D. Jennings or Darrius Sheppard.

[RashanGary]

I have a feeling Adams will practice a little this week.

[texaspackerbacker]

run pMc, I'll throw it back to you: how many teams do you see with a better overall corps of WRs - with Adams healthy, of course?

Playmakers? With Rodgers throwing, any or all of our WRs or RBs for that matter are playmakers. We're just 3 days out from that last game, and people are already denying what their lying eyes told them?

Atlanta can lose pretty consistently with a playmaker like Julio Jones. I can't even remember who Beckham plays for this season. Amari Cooper is special, but they're 4 and 3 with him playing at a high level. Meanwhile, we are 6-1 with a lot of tough games behind us using those guys who some say don't qualify as playmakers.

We have 5 excellent WRs plus Shepherd - who I still think will get to be a quality player - and St. Brown coming back next season. I say again, we really don't need a shot in the dark that might or might not turn out to be another Davante Adams, and we don't even need a lower rounder to take the place of one of the seven we have.

[RashanGary]

Guess Adams is back at practice. Savage too.

I’m guessing neither play this week. If they do play, I’m guessing about 25% of snaps.

Next week, I envision both playing for sure about half the snaps. And then full time after that.

[pbmax]

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[Joemailman]

As good as Davante Adams is now, he wasn't called the Fresno Fraud for nothing. I and a lot of others in here were really negative about him those early years.



Well, congratulations for being totally wrong.

People calling him the Fresno Fraud didn't know he was playing on a bad ankle in 2015. Or just didn't care.

[RashanGary]

Well, congratulations for being totally wrong.

People calling him the Fresno Fraud didn't know he was playing on a bad ankle in 2015. Or just didn't care.

Hopefully baconator proves everyone wrong too.

[Bretsky]

Hopefully baconator proves everyone wrong too.

:)

I was thinking the same thing

[run pMc]

run pMc, I'll throw it back to you: how many teams do you see with a better overall corps of WRs - with Adams healthy, of course?

Playmakers? With Rodgers throwing, any or all of our WRs or RBs for that matter are playmakers. We're just 3 days out from that last game, and people are already denying what their lying eyes told them?

Atlanta can lose pretty consistently with a playmaker like Julio Jones. I can't even remember who Beckham plays for this season. Amari Cooper is special, but they're 4 and 3 with him playing at a high level. Meanwhile, we are 6-1 with a lot of tough games behind us using those guys who some say don't qualify as playmakers.

We have 5 excellent WRs plus Shepherd - who I still think will get to be a quality player - and St. Brown coming back next season. I say again, we really don't need a shot in the dark that might or might not turn out to be another Davante Adams, and we don't even need a lower rounder to take the place of one of the seven we have.

Kneejerk review ignoring the recent trades and assuming all players are healthy. Note: these aren't in any specific order within tiers.

Better WR's overall
KC- Hill, Watkins, Robinson
ATL - Julio, Ridley, until very recently Sanu
LAC - Allen, Williams, Benjamin
DAL - Cooper, Gallup, Cobb, Austin
NE - Edelman, Dorsett, Meyers, until recently Gordon
LAR - Cooks, Woods, Kupp, etc.
HOU - Hopkins, Fuller, Coutee, Stills
NO - Thomas, Ginn, Smith/Harris (Taysom Hill is not a WR LOL)
CIN - Green (when healthy), Boyd, Ross, Erickson
MIN - Diggs, Theilen
TB - Godwin, Evans
ARI - Fitzgerald, Kirk, Isabella
PHI - DeSean, Agholor, Jeffery, Hollins
CLE - Landry, OBJ, Calloway, Higgins
JAC - Chark, Westbrook, Lee
TEN - Davis, Brown, Humphries

Maybe Better/Coin Toss
DET - Golladay, Amendola, Jones
NYG - Shepard, Tate, Latimer
CHI - Robinson, Gabriel, Miller, Patterson
NYJ - Anderson, Thomas, Crowder
DEN - Sutton, Hamilton, until recently Sanders
PIT - JuJu, Washington, Johnson, Moncrief
IND - Hilton, Funchess, Campbell
CAR - Samuel, Moore, Wright, Hogan

Worse than GB
MIA - Parker, Wilson, Hurns
SEA - Lockett, Metcalf, Brown, Moore
SF - Goodwin, Samuel, Pettis
WAS - McLaurin, Richardson, Quinn
OAK - Tyrell Williams, Trevor Davis
BUF - Brown, Beasley, until recently Zay Jones
BAL - Willie Snead, Hollywood Brown, Miles Boykin

[texaspackerbacker]

With all due respect, I disagree on all of them.

I see 5 or 6 top receivers who are probably as good or better than Adams, but not a one with the supporting cast that the Packers have.

The grass is NOT greener on the other side of the fence.

[RashanGary]

I try not to look at just WRs. I look at QB, OL, WRs, RBs and TEs

Packers are good

[run pMc]

I see 5 or 6 top receivers who are probably as good or better than Adams, but not a one with the supporting cast that the Packers have.

Fair enough, that's your opinion. I do agree that Adams is a very good receiver. I also think he skews the talent/production of the WR group considerably.
I also think you are overvaluing the GB WR's because they are the team you root for; that's a common bias to many fans. A good QB like Rodgers can make bad WR group look better than they are (and vice versa, ex: TEN or TB).

Just going off talent/production I would happily trade the GB WR group for the Rams. The starting trio of Cooks, Woods, and Kupp are IMO easily better than Adams, MVS, and Allison.

Again, you have your opinion and I have a different one. I would be curious to know what data or what facts you are basing it upon.

To Rashan's comment: I agree the other offensive players impact the passing offense overall. A.Jones has already surpassed his receiving totals from last year; some teams (e.g., SFran with Kittle) make heavy use of the TE in their offense.
I was limiting the comparison to WRs only as it relates to the OP and tex's comment that we shouldn't draft a WR at all because we have plenty of talent. Maybe MVS and Lazard pan out; there's a lot of football left this year. I think Allison and Kumerow have basically hit their ceilings and are replaceable with players with more talent/upside as your #3/#4 WR.

[beveaux1]

Fair enough, that's your opinion. I do agree that Adams is a very good receiver. I also think he skews the talent/production of the WR group considerably.
I also think you are overvaluing the GB WR's because they are the team you root for; that's a common bias to many fans. A good QB like Rodgers can make bad WR group look better than they are (and vice versa, ex: TEN or TB).

Just going off talent/production I would happily trade the GB WR group for the Rams. The starting trio of Cooks, Woods, and Kupp are IMO easily better than Adams, MVS, and Allison.

Again, you have your opinion and I have a different one. I would be curious to know what data or what facts you are basing it upon.

To Rashan's comment: I agree the other offensive players impact the passing offense overall. A.Jones has already surpassed his receiving totals from last year; some teams (e.g., SFran with Kittle) make heavy use of the TE in their offense.
I was limiting the comparison to WRs only as it relates to the OP and tex's comment that we shouldn't draft a WR at all because we have plenty of talent. Maybe MVS and Lazard pan out; there's a lot of football left this year. I think Allison and Kumerow have basically hit their ceilings and are replaceable with players with more talent/upside as your #3/#4 WR.

I agree with your very diplomatic assessment. I also appreciate the work you did in running down the WR corps of all the teams. I'd take it a little further by saying that our #2-#6 WRs may not be better, at this point, than maybe 5 of the teams on your list.
We have nearly a half a season of statistics to show that MVS is averaging 3 catches a game, Allison is averaging 2.5 catches a game, and no one else has an average of more than 1 catch a game.
Kumerow is roughly the same age as Cobb, he's not ascending. Allison is in his 4th season-he is what he is, below average as a #3 starter in the league.

I agree with RG that we have a good team, but with 6 of our last 9 on the road, I hope that the WR group is not what keeps us from being among the elite in the league.

[mraynrand]

Kneejerk review ignoring the recent trades and assuming all players are healthy. Note: these aren't in any specific order within tiers.

Better WR's overall
KC- Hill, Watkins, Robinson
ATL - Julio, Ridley, until very recently Sanu
LAC - Allen, Williams, Benjamin
DAL - Cooper, Gallup, Cobb, Austin
NE - Edelman, Dorsett, Meyers, until recently Gordon
LAR - Cooks, Woods, Kupp, etc.
HOU - Hopkins, Fuller, Coutee, Stills
NO - Thomas, Ginn, Smith/Harris (Taysom Hill is not a WR LOL)
CIN - Green (when healthy), Boyd, Ross, Erickson
MIN - Diggs, Theilen
TB - Godwin, Evans
ARI - Fitzgerald, Kirk, Isabella
PHI - DeSean, Agholor, Jeffery, Hollins
CLE - Landry, OBJ, Calloway, Higgins
JAC - Chark, Westbrook, Lee
TEN - Davis, Brown, Humphries



Bolded I would not trade for GB's receivers.

The QB effect really makes it hard to evaluate the Receivers. I think Rodgers with Cleveland's receivers would be devastating.

[bobblehead]

My theory is that MVS is an unusual talent in that he’s got mega stengths and mega weaknesses. Lazard is similar on that he’s got mega strengths and mega weaknesses. The cool thing is those two guys have opposite strengths and opposite weaknesses. With a little creative coaching to put guys in the right situations, I think we’re ok this year.

I’d like another Davante though. I’m down for getting better in any area.

I think you are right at the moment, but i think MVS has shown a desire to work hard to be better. He can do anything Lazard can do long term. Right now though, I think you are correct.

[bobblehead]

run pMc, I'll throw it back to you: how many teams do you see with a better overall corps of WRs - with Adams healthy, of course?

Playmakers? With Rodgers throwing, any or all of our WRs or RBs for that matter are playmakers. We're just 3 days out from that last game, and people are already denying what their lying eyes told them?

Atlanta can lose pretty consistently with a playmaker like Julio Jones. I can't even remember who Beckham plays for this season. Amari Cooper is special, but they're 4 and 3 with him playing at a high level. Meanwhile, we are 6-1 with a lot of tough games behind us using those guys who some say don't qualify as playmakers.

We have 5 excellent WRs plus Shepherd - who I still think will get to be a quality player - and St. Brown coming back next season. I say again, we really don't need a shot in the dark that might or might not turn out to be another Davante Adams, and we don't even need a lower rounder to take the place of one of the seven we have.

You are right and wrong at the same time. We have average to below average WRs and a HOF QB. Thats ok as long as they do the basics and catch the ball. Giannis doesn't need LeBron, he needs a bunch of stiffs who drain the open 3.

[bobblehead]

I try not to look at just WRs. I look at QB, OL, WRs, RBs and TEs

Packers are good

C or Si...Yes. We can use more weapons, but Championships are built on Great QB's and Defense. Our OL is very good now. Our RB and WR are good enough. Our TE are suspect.

[RashanGary]

Maybe MVS and Lazard pan out; there's a lot of football left this year. I think Allison and Kumerow have basically hit their ceilings and are replaceable with players with more talent/upside as your #3/#4 WR.

I see this too. I don’t see either as complete WRs like Davante who can do it all. But I’ve said a bunch, I do think MVS and Lazard have strengths that good coaching can accentuate. Similar to the way the Patriots found a way to get success from tiny, slowish WRs in the slot, by accentuating their intelligence, route running and hands in traffic. Those guys will never be Davante, but they’re not asked to be. Same with MVS. He’s an elite deep threat. Use him that way. Lazard looks really good in traffic. Use him that way.

I’m not fawning over MVS or Lazard like they’re the next Jerry Rice or Randy Moss, but they’ve got strengths we can use. So Adams, MVS, Lazard.... with a good QB, RB, OL.... I think we’re ok right now.

[RashanGary]

I think you are right at the moment, but i think MVS has shown a desire to work hard to be better. He can do anything Lazard can do long term. Right now though, I think you are correct.

Harvey has a reputation for having good observation skills here. He said MVS bad horrible ball skills and that doesn’t get better. In traffic, he’s been bad. I agree. So I do wonder if MVS is limited that way. But I don’t think Harv is giving MVS enough credit on the deep balls. That’s opening up our offense. It’s a valuable one trick to have in this offense where no one else has it.

[texaspackerbacker]

Fair enough, that's your opinion. I do agree that Adams is a very good receiver. I also think he skews the talent/production of the WR group considerably.
I also think you are overvaluing the GB WR's because they are the team you root for; that's a common bias to many fans. A good QB like Rodgers can make bad WR group look better than they are (and vice versa, ex: TEN or TB).

Just going off talent/production I would happily trade the GB WR group for the Rams. The starting trio of Cooks, Woods, and Kupp are IMO easily better than Adams, MVS, and Allison.

Again, you have your opinion and I have a different one. I would be curious to know what data or what facts you are basing it upon.

To Rashan's comment: I agree the other offensive players impact the passing offense overall. A.Jones has already surpassed his receiving totals from last year; some teams (e.g., SFran with Kittle) make heavy use of the TE in their offense.
I was limiting the comparison to WRs only as it relates to the OP and tex's comment that we shouldn't draft a WR at all because we have plenty of talent. Maybe MVS and Lazard pan out; there's a lot of football left this year. I think Allison and Kumerow have basically hit their ceilings and are replaceable with players with more talent/upside as your #3/#4 WR.

I agree although in a different way that Adams "skews the talent/production of the WR group". The fact that last year and to a lesser extent before his injury this year Adams got the bulk of the targets and receptions diminished the performance and perceived value of the rest of the receivers. As was shown last week, given the opportunity, all of those guys are pretty damn good. I don't buy the lack of respect for Allison and Kumerow. Allison is no superstar, but he is very decent. Kumerow has been well above average in the few chances he's had - regular and preseason. And they're probably just the 4th and 5th best we have. Cooks, Woods, and Kupp? Who of them comes close to the quality of Adams? Cooks? No way. Kupp is similar - and IMO not significantly better than the much maligned Allison. Robert Woods doesn't stack up good against Valdez-Scantling or Lazard or even Kumerow. Maybe compare him to Ryan Grant hahahahaha.

[RashanGary]

looks like the 2020 draft might be heavy at RB, WR and ILB....

Round 1 ILB
Round 2 WR

That would be nice. Might not be able to afford Martinez going forward.

[Joemailman]

My theory is that MVS is an unusual talent in that he’s got mega stengths and mega weaknesses. Lazard is similar on that he’s got mega strengths and mega weaknesses. The cool thing is those two guys have opposite strengths and opposite weaknesses. With a little creative coaching to put guys in the right situations, I think we’re ok this year.

I’d like another Davante though. I’m down for getting better in any area.

Adams is great. However, I think what this offense really needs is a Greg Jennings-type. A guy with above average speed who can run every route and play every position.

[RashanGary]

Adams is great. However, I think what this offense really needs is a Greg Jennings-type. A guy with above average speed who can run every route and play every position.

Davante, Jennings and then MVS as a deep threat would be unstoppable

[RashanGary]

Chargers would be 38 days post injury
Panthers would be 45 day
49ers after bye would be 60 day

He’s moving around gingerly now. Testing it. If we keep stacking wins, I almost wonder if playing it super safe is the best route.

[texaspackerbacker]

Adams is great. However, I think what this offense really needs is a Greg Jennings-type. A guy with above average speed who can run every route and play every position.

And that's not Allison? Or Kumerow? Or Lazard? I would say all of the above.

[Joemailman]

And that's not Allison? Or Kumerow? Or Lazard? I would say all of the above.

Nope. None of them have above average speed for a WR. Which is why none of them were drafted.

[Bossman641]

Lol, none of those 3 even belong in the same sentence as Jennings.

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't think Jennings was all that fast either - a good possession receiver who could go deep on rare occasions. And Allison, Kumerow, and Lazard are all 4-6 inches taller - which I'd rather have in a possession receiver anyway. 6-1, and a bunch of grass is greener somewhere else types just can't keep from whining about what we've got hahahahahaha.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Jennings ran in the mid 4.4s. His routes were exquisite, and he played even faster than that. Lazard and Kumerow ran in the mid 4.5s. Allison in the 4.6s. None of those guys run routes with the suddenness of Jennings. Jennings was damn good.

[RashanGary]

Jennings had a really good feel for the game and was graceful and effortless with the way he moved. And he was fast enough to be fast but played even faster. He was a great packer and i totally agree that outside of Julio Jones, James Lofton and Randy Moss.... realistically, a Greg Jennings would be perfect for this offense.

[RashanGary]

There are a lot of really good receivers. Probably 30 or more in the NFL. The Packers have 1 but two would be better.

[mraynrand]

Jennings ran in the mid 4.4s. His routes were exquisite, and he played even faster than that. Lazard and Kumerow ran in the mid 4.5s. Allison in the 4.6s. None of those guys run routes with the suddenness of Jennings. Jennings was damn good.

At his peak he was an absolute ankle-breaker. And he had tremendous hands. The Anti-Exxon-Valdez-Scantron.

[bobblehead]

Harvey has a reputation for having good observation skills here. He said MVS bad horrible ball skills and that doesn’t get better. In traffic, he’s been bad. I agree. So I do wonder if MVS is limited that way. But I don’t think Harv is giving MVS enough credit on the deep balls. That’s opening up our offense. It’s a valuable one trick to have in this offense where no one else has it.

OBJ doesn't have "naturally" great hands. He sits for hours at the juggs machine grabbing balls with his hands only. He does 100 one handed catches; some across his body one handed. I don't like the guy, but those hands are the result of a ton of hard work. He gets on his knees and grabs them one handed over his head. 2 handed over his head. He backs up and does it at his feet. MVS can improve his hands. Maybe not the OBJ level, but to above average.

PS...Adams doesn't have elite speed. He can't take the top off the D. Basically nobody possesses every attribute other than a few guys. Julio, Hopkins. I think Davis has it all and now that Marriotta took his rightful position on the bench you will see it.

[RashanGary]

I’ve watched the Titans games. Davis doesn’t play aggressive and fast like you’d hope. He looks tentative

But maybe he’s good. I was wrong on baconator so far :lol:

[bobblehead]

Jennings ran in the mid 4.4s. His routes were exquisite, and he played even faster than that. Lazard and Kumerow ran in the mid 4.5s. Allison in the 4.6s. None of those guys run routes with the suddenness of Jennings. Jennings was damn good.

They are also both 6'5. I should end it right there, but I can't help it. Running a mid 4.5 isn't slow. In the NFL more good receivers are developed than drafted. Lazard has a decent ceiling. He can be very good. He isn't right now. None of them are. When you have a HOF QB you develop WR talent. You have a bunch of guys like we have and you let ARod make them look good.

[bobblehead]

I’ve watched the Titans games. Davis doesn’t play aggressive and fast like you’d hope. He looks tentative

Did you watch last weeks game?

[RashanGary]

For the first time in my life, I’m not working right now. I’m watching every game to see if I can be a winning gambler.

DJ Chark and Godwin jumped off the screen at me from game one. Davis really hasn’t.

But yeah, I watched last weeks game.

Another guy who’s really good is Ronald Jones in Tampa. Really talented RB

[RashanGary]

I notice guys like the safety Simmons in Denver jump out immediately and the LB kwon Alexander in SF. Chark, Godwin, Ronald Jones... etc. I feel like Andy Dalton gets a horribly unfair shake on that crap team.

[red]

Trade a first for aj green and quit fucking around

We don’t have time to wait for a rookie WR next year to take 3 years to develop into anything useful

Green and Adams gives us maybe the best duo in the NFL

[bobblehead]

Trade a first for aj green and quit fucking around

We don’t have time to wait for a rookie WR next year to take 3 years to develop into anything useful

Green and Adams gives us maybe the best duo in the NFL

They pair up nicely in street clothes right now. I don't see them being game changers that way.

[Zool]

Trade a first for aj green and quit fucking around

We don’t have time to wait for a rookie WR next year to take 3 years to develop into anything useful

Green and Adams gives us maybe the best duo in the NFL

Not sure I’d do a 1st round for 8 games of Green.

[pbmax]

I don't think Jennings was all that fast either - a good possession receiver who could go deep on rare occasions. And Allison, Kumerow, and Lazard are all 4-6 inches taller - which I'd rather have in a possession receiver anyway.

:whaa:

He was the best WR on a Super Bowl team.

And you are saying you'd rather have a tall possession receiver?

I like that you always support the home guys, but this is brain swelling, put you in a medically induced coma stuff.


First two pro years:


Rece
Rk Player From To AV G Rec Yds TD Y/R Lng
1 Geronimo Allison 2016 2017 4 25 35 455 2 13.0 72
2 Greg Jennings 2006 2007 14 27 98 1552 15 15.8 82
3 Jake Kumerow 2018 2019 1 10 14 195 2 13.9 49
4 Allen Lazard 2018 2019 0 8 8 114 1 14.3 35


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[pbmax]

Per game averages:



Rece
Rk Player From To Rec Yds TD
1 Geronimo Allison 2016 2017 1.4 18.2 0.1
2 Greg Jennings 2006 2007 3.6 57.5 0.6
3 Jake Kumerow 2018 2019 1.4 19.5 0.2
4 Allen Lazard 2018 2019 1.0 14.3 0.1


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[pbmax]

Playoff performances fromm first two years:



Rece
Rk Player From To G Rec Yds TD Y/R Lng
1 Geronimo Allison 2016 2016 3 5 65 0 13.0 26
2 Greg Jennings 2007 2007 2 7 85 2 12.1 24


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[pbmax]

Jennings did his damage while Driver was the #1 trusted option of a QB who liked his veterans and wasn't happy Jennings was drafted. Driver went to 3 Pro Bowls. Adams hasn't gone yet.

This point you are trying to make is ludicrous. If Kumerow, Allison or Lazard were Jennings good, they's be starting and we would not be debating whether to replace them or not with Robbie Anderson.

"I don't want to wait for Greg Jennings to get good. I want Moss now."
~Brett Favre (paraphrased)

[Joemailman]

Jennings did his damage while Driver was the #1 trusted option of a QB who liked his veterans and wasn't happy Jennings was drafted. Driver went to 3 Pro Bowls. Adams hasn't gone yet.

This point you are trying to make is ludicrous. If Kumerow, Allison or Lazard were Jennings good, they's be starting and we would not be debating whether to replace them or not with Robbie Anderson.

"I don't want to wait for Greg Jennings to get good. I want Moss now."
~Brett Favre (paraphrased)

I don't think Favre's comments meant he didn't want Jennings to be drafted. It does mean he underestimated how quickly Jennings would become good. It happened the next year.

[pbmax]

I don't think Favre's comments meant he didn't want Jennings to be drafted. It does mean he underestimated how quickly Jennings would become good. It happened the next year.

Agree. Preferred a great vet to a young player.

Jennings overcame that. None of tex's suggestions have.

[bobblehead]

:whaa:

He was the best WR on a Super Bowl team.

And you are saying you'd rather have a tall possession receiver?

I like that you always support the home guys, but this is brain swelling, put you in a medically induced coma stuff.


First two pro years:


Rece
Rk Player From To AV G Rec Yds TD Y/R Lng
1 Geronimo Allison 2016 2017 4 25 35 455 2 13.0 72
2 Greg Jennings 2006 2007 14 27 98 1552 15 15.8 82
3 Jake Kumerow 2018 2019 1 10 14 195 2 13.9 49
4 Allen Lazard 2018 2019 0 8 8 114 1 14.3 35


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To paraphrae tex:
see, basically the same.

[red]

jennings was one of the best wr's in the NFL for a few years

imo, he was better then adams is now

shows just how fucked in the head someone has to be to claim the you'd rather have our group of JAGs (everyone but adams) over one of the best wrs we've ever had

[RashanGary]

I hope Adams is back this week. We can probably beat SD anyway because

A. We’re good
And
B. We’re really healthy otherwise
And
C. SD is not good and not healthy


So....... we might just luck out here. Hope it’s one of those rare seasons that things just fall together!

[RashanGary]

Lazard is kind of locking himself in as the #4 WR. And will take some snaps from MVS and Allison when Adams comes back.


MVS will play every snap when there is field to stretch but shouldn’t see the field as we get closer to the red zone as his only true strength is nullified

Allison will play a lot of slot

Lazard will take a bunch of MVS snaps near redzone. And might take some of Allison’s too.

[RashanGary]

If they sit Adams one more week, they’ll get the bye. If you’re on the fence , might just be best to play it safe and have our top weapon for the post season push.

[ThunderDan]

If they sit Adams one more week, they’ll get the bye. If you’re on the fence , might just be best to play it safe and have our top weapon for the post season push.

No they won’t 2 more games until the bye, Chargers and Panthers.

[RashanGary]

No they won’t 2 more games until the bye, Chargers and Panthers.

Oh yeah.... oops....... I think there’s a better chance we see Adams first back vs Carolina.

[pbmax]

Chargers stadium will be 80% Packer fans.

[RashanGary]

I’d rest Adams one more week. Would hate to see it linger into the post season. We’ve gotten this far without him. If one more gets him back to 100%, that’s what I’m hoping for.

[RashanGary]

Adams/Lazard/MVS when there is field to stretch
Adams/Lazard/Allison when the field is shrunk down

[mraynrand]

Chargers stadium will be 80% Packer fans.

Packer fans travel well!

[red]

Packer fans travel well!

And LA fans don’t want the chargers there

They can’t even get 10,000 charger fans to a home game

[run pMc]

Well, they are throwing a lot to the backs -- especially Jones -- because (a) schematically it stresses the defense by either forcing them to play nickel or cover with a LB, (b) the WR group is pedestrian without Adams, and (c) the TE group isn't better. Jones is effectively their top WR with Adams out and leads the team in receptions.

Also, training camp reports from Jennings' rookie year indicated the guy could run routes and would play right away, and he only got better from there. Jennings >> Allison. He was a good route runner, had good hands, and deceptive quickness/speed.

We root for these UDFA guys because they are on the team, but many also do because they are unheralded.
If you think talent at WR doesn't matter consider how the KC receivers kept them in the game while GB's couldn't get separate in time against Spagnola's blitzing in the 2Q...their secondary was not afraid of GB's receivers AT ALL.

[texaspackerbacker]

LaFleur and Rodgers both did in this game and do in general a fantastic job of taking what the other team's defense gives us. Identifying and exploiting their putting and leaving LBs on our RBs was outstanding (and dumb by K.C.).

It's possible that last week's game with the nice performance by our wideouts caused K.C. to play it that way - concentrate on them and leave the LBs on our backs. They worried about our WRs enough to keep their DBs occupied with them - that's not nothing.

[theeaterofshades]

Where does ESB factor in when he returns next year?

[texaspackerbacker]

Where does ESB factor in when he returns next year?

Is there any reason you can't have a 6'5" punt returner? hahahahaha

[RashanGary]

Probably the most curious I’ve been to see a Tuesday practice report injury listing this year. Will Davante be a limited participant?? Full? Non participant??

I’m guessing limited.

And I’m curious to see the receiver rotation too. Lazard has changed things, for sure.

[Fosco33]

And LA fans don’t want the chargers there

They can’t even get 10,000 charger fans to a home game

Imagine if the Packers moved to Chicago? Would people still be fans?

I lived in LA for a decade. Very few people are ‘from LA’. And they don’t care much for sports as there’s other stuff going on.

[MadtownPacker]

Fozzie is right about LA when it comes to football. Only the baseball and basketball teams have loyal fans built on generations of family.

[RashanGary]

Tae running almost full speed drill work. Says he feels good enough and wants to play. Not completely up to him. Personally, I’d rather force him to sit one more week, but he’s gonna fight hard to play. I just worry it’s gonna get twisted and reinjured.

But even with him back, AR says Lazard and Kumerow have earned more time and should see the field.


Davante plays every snap
MVS plays less on shorter fields
Allison plays less in general

Maybe we see Davante in the slot in a few situations, as a way to get the best 11 on the field....

[RashanGary]

If Davante/Lazard/MVS and Kumerow are our best 4, who plays slot?

[pbmax]

If Davante/Lazard/MVS and Kumerow are our best 4, who plays slot?

Davante. The only other one TheFlower has mentioned in the slot. Lazard seems strictly outside so far. Same with MVS and Whitewater Jesus.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Davante. The only other one TheFlower has mentioned in the slot. Lazard seems strictly outside so far. Same with MVS and Whitewater Jesus.

They refused to play Janis b/c he supposedly had problems mastering all the S,E,X,Y positions. I think Butte was just jealous that Janis' wife is hotter than Butte's NASCAR cougar.

Prerequisite for playing with the GAB is, know the SEXY. I saw the Lizard in the slot last week. Gotta be interchangeable or you ain't gonna be in the rye with the GAB, which is overrated. Ain't hard to say in the huddle, yo Janis, you're in the slot; run the rainbow route.

[gbgary]

:whaa:

He was the best WR on a Super Bowl team.

And you are saying you'd rather have a tall possession receiver?

I like that you always support the home guys, but this is brain swelling, put you in a medically induced coma, stuff.

lol

[mraynrand]

They refused to play Janis b/c he supposedly had problems mastering all the S,E,X,Y positions. I think Butte was just jealous that Janis' wife is hotter than Butte's NASCAR bearded cougar.


Meh
http://www.insidethehuddle.tv/sites/default/files/Alyssa%20bio.jpg

[RashanGary]

Adams probably not gonna play all the snaps. I’m guessing snap percentages break down something like

Lazard 75%
Adams 50%
MVS 50%
Allison 50%
Kumerow 25%

After this week
Adams 100%
Lazard 62.5%
MVS 50%
Allison 25%
Kumerow 12.5%

[red]

Meh
http://www.insidethehuddle.tv/sites/default/files/Alyssa%20bio.jpg

i'd give her like a 6 maybe 7

danica is hotter

[RashanGary]

i'd give her like a 6 maybe 7

danica is hotter

I’d want to perform a smell and taste test before any serious consideration could be done.

[mraynrand]

I’d want to perform a smell and taste test before any serious consideration could be done.

I wait until the cultures come back from the lab.

[pbmax]

I wait until the cultures come back from the lab.

High standards aside, this at least makes a practical kind of sense.

[Fritz]

i'd give her like a 6 maybe 7

danica is hotter


She certainly doesn't measure up to the Muskie Queen.

[RashanGary]

High standards aside, this at least makes a practical kind of sense.

I trust my ginstincts in this matter

[pbmax]

I trust my ginstincts in this matter

Next thing you know you'll be trusting sulfa drugs.

[red]

Sooooo

Not like that

[mraynrand]

Wow, Adams is like the Baconator II.

[esoxx]

Wow, Adams is like the Baconator II.

He is the Anti-Baconator II

[Gotarace]

Got quality Receiver back and didn't use any of them...Well Played Packers...Well Played.

[RashanGary]

Adams playing more slot. We’re seeing more of Lazard. Kind of like we thought might happen.

1. Adams
2. Lazard
3a. MVS
3b. Allison
3c. Kumerow


The general identity of the offense is Rodgers/Adams/Jones with a decent veteran OL and a bunch of supporting skill players. Probably the best quality of the offense is the ability to attack in a whole bunch of different ways and take what’s available on any given week.

[texaspackerbacker]

Maybe not this season, but I want Lazard to be our Tight End. He's big enough, a good enough blocker, and we would finally have a Kelce/Waller class TE receiver.

[Joemailman]

Maybe not this season, but I want Lazard to be our Tight End. He's big enough, a good enough blocker, and we would finally have a Kelce/Waller class TE receiver.

The plan is for Sternberger to be that guy.

[texaspackerbacker]

As I said in the other thread, let Sternberger replace Lewis. He did a damn good job blocking, and I'm pretty sure he would be a better receiver than Lewis.

[Teamcheez1]

As I said in the other thread, let Sternberger replace Lewis. He did a damn good job blocking, and I'm pretty sure he would be a better receiver than Lewis.

I did see Sternberger blocking on several plays. Was he ever out on routes or even targeted by Rodgers?

[Joemailman]

I did see Sternberger blocking on several plays. Was he ever out on routes or even targeted by Rodgers?

Never saw him targeted. I was surprised to see he actually had 16 offensive snaps.

[RashanGary]

He was doing the Tonyan role of a movement oriented TE, back side blocks out of jet motions, a lot of presnap motion, FB type duties at times.... more of an agile movement/space oriented blocker.

[RashanGary]

Adams looked great in the slot though! That 4 step out route with all that space to work was hilariously hard to defend. I’ll bet ya the Packers could get that 10 out of 10 times and then run a successful out and up off of it 10 out of 10 times too.

Adams in the slot with all of that out breaking space is a thing of beauty. Ochocinco would be crying

[RashanGary]

Rodgers said after the game that Jimmys best trait is his straight, long speed. Wants to see him running vertical more.

[Joemailman]

Rodgers said after the game that Jimmys best trait is his straight, long speed. Wants to see him running vertical more.

He actually still does have decent long speed. Problem is he's glacial in the first 5-7 yards. I agree that it's probably worth taking shots downfield to him. With that big body, might force some PI penalties, if nothing else.

[RashanGary]

He actually still does have decent long speed. Problem is he's glacial in the first 5-7 yards. I agree that it's probably worth taking shots downfield to him. With that big body, might force some PI penalties, if nothing else.

Yeah. And the big body helps for taking those shots down the middle too. You hate to get a small guy hurt.

[RashanGary]

Davante is a beast!!!

Hope to see more of him in the slot. I like him having the option to break either direction. As if he wasn’t hard enough to cover with the sidelines help.