The Official Packers vs Blue Panthers Discussion Thread

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Losing is a shoddy, shabby, scruffy, shady, sleazy ordeal.

After a Packer loss, I like to shutdown myself from the realm, avoid the mainstream media (ESPN) and binge watch stuff. Any good shows out there? Have two more episodes left of "Troy: Fall of a City". Gonna finish 'em today, after this post, since I'm off from the burger joint.

Started watching ole Bretsky's favorite show, "Shameless" last month. Stuck in Season 2. Show is painstakingly addictive, mainly b/c it's about a bunch of working-class egoists. Frank Gallagher reminds me a bit of ole Tex - no offense, Tex. Imma saving episodes for Packer losses.

Still have a tons of Law & Order: SVU to catch up. Like Poe, I live alone, so I'm too scared to watch "American Horror Story."

Anyway, C-Newt will be in Green Bay early. Seeing the hotshot foot specialist at the upscale clinic on the Packer campus. The hotshot Doc is BFF with the Packer Doc, same Doc who cooked Favre's injury report back in '92, and subsequently, sat the stage up for the Gunslinger to single-handily turn around a moribund franchise.

It's unethical for MDs to release patient medical info without permission. But what's stopping the hotshot Doc from secretly releasing valuable info about C-Newt to his BFF? Football is war. Intelligence is truth.

Fact that Cam willingly visit Green Bay prior to battle is a sign that he ain't gonna play. Ain't gonna matter. Watch out for C-Mac this week. Remember #30 of the Broncos? As white as the snow of Greenland. Packer D can't handle wiggas.

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't even know who the hell Frank Gallagher is - nor do I care hahahahaha.

As for what the Packers D can handle, my opinion of Pettine has gone way down the last few games. Yes he was been dealt a bad hand - blame going all the way back to your (our) hated Polar Bear, but for a few games, he did a great job of compensating for shoddy personnel. The last few weeks, though, teams adjusted to what he was doing, and he has not been able to re-adjust.

I'm less afraid of McCaffrey than I am of their passing game - whoever is throwing and catching.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Frank Gallagher shares a lot of your civic ideologies. He’s even a pragmatist, lol.

C-Mac is a dual threat, so watch out for the dude in their passing attack. #30 of the Broncos pretty much wrote a book on how to attack the Packer D. C-Mac probably has more Kung-fu than #30.

[Joemailman]

Panthers lead the league with 34 sacks. Panthers defense is giving up a league-worst 5.1 yards per rush.

Maybe run the ball this week?

[Tony Oday]

Panthers lead the league with 34 sacks. Panthers defense is giving up a league-worst 5.1 yards per rush.

Maybe run the ball this week?

Nope, Throw it 50 times and pray we hold on in the 4th ;)

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Panthers lead the league with 34 sacks. Panthers defense is giving up a league-worst 5.1 yards per rush.

Maybe run the ball this week?

San Diego's run D sucks on paper, too. Packers tried the smashmouth shit....again. I know, I'm boring singing the same refrains over and over. But all running the rock does is distort the GAB 's fragile rhythm.

Fuck the run. Run the Crystal69, the WCO -Martzist hybrid. Short passes and bombs all day.

[mraynrand]

San Diego's run D sucks on paper, too. Packers tried the smashmouth shit....again. I know, I'm boring singing the same refrains over and over. But all running the rock does is distort the GAB 's fragile rhythm.

They ran 11 times for 45 yards. Perhaps that cloud of smoke around your head obscured your view of the game or prevented your comprehension of the stats.

[MadtownPacker]

Panthers gonna get beat down worse than AntiPolar walking into the hood talking like Eminem.

[Freak Out]

San Diego's run D sucks on paper, too. Packers tried the smashmouth shit....again. I know, I'm boring singing the same refrains over and over. But all running the rock does is distort the GAB 's fragile rhythm.

Fuck the run. Run the Crystal69, the WCO -Martzist hybrid. Short passes and bombs all day.

Without the stupid penalties they have 2nd and 4 and take Bosa out of the game for a time. You saw what happened just trying to throw it all game.

[Cheesehead Craig]

The inside run game worked well, just didn't have any passing success to compliment it. I'd vote to run the hell out of the ball this week.

If you ain't scared of McCaffrey, you ain't paying attention. He's averaging over 110 yds rushing, 45 yds receiving and 1.5 TDs/game. He leads the league in yards from scrimmage. Hopefully he doesn't make our LBs look how Jones made Dallas' look.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

They ran 11 times for 45 yards. Perhaps that cloud of smoke around your head obscured your view of the game or prevented your comprehension of the stats.

Now I opted to watch Fox News instead of the 2nd half of that game. Ain't a mascoist. But in the first half, it was virtually run, run, incomplete pass, punt, even though the Packers had something like 2 possessions all half - Pack D had a busy half milking the clock.

The SD game was the antithesis of the KC game. KC game, Flower sent in the yokozuna formation (no WRs) and, gasps, threw out of an empty backfield. Butte was Justin Timberlake: in sync. SD game, Butte was Milli Vanilli: rhythmless handing off the rock.

Gotta pass to set up run, not vice versa.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Panthers gonna get beat down worse than AntiPolar walking into the hood talking like Eminem.

lol

[George Cumby]

Panthers gonna get beat down worse than AntiPolar walking into the hood talking like Vanilla Ice.

FTFY

[gbgary]

no affect on this game but cam was placed on ir and is likely done in car.

if the O shit's itself and hangs the D out to dry again, and if the D can't resist the opponent's O until the red zone again, we'll end up with another L.

[Teamcheez1]

Interesting stat picked up on Dairyland Express:

Blake Martinez’ 95 tackles this season look great. It looks like he’s all over the place. However, the majority of those come four, five or six plus yards down the field. That’s evidenced by his three tackles for loss this season.

[mraynrand]

Gotta pass to set up run, not vice versa.

not when your tackles are getting run through like an extra in Braveheart.

[gbgary]

Interesting stat picked up on Dairyland Express:

Blake Martinez’ 95 tackles this season look great. It looks like he’s all over the place. However, the majority of those come four, five or six plus yards down the field. That’s evidenced by his three tackles for loss this season.

not hard to figure out why. he's playing further back per the soft scheme and the DT's (as a group) are lacking.

[Joemailman]

Last year Clark and Daniels, until they got hurt, created a lot of havoc inside. Martinez benefited from that. Not nearly as much of that this year. Lancaster is JAG, and Lowry has been a disappointment.

[Joemailman]

Packers activate Ibraheim Campbell, cut LB Tim Williams. https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/11/05/packers-activate-s-ibraheim-campbell-release-olb-tim-williams/

Liked the way he played last year.

Packers now down to 3 Williams'

[KYPack]

Panthers gonna get beat down worse than AntiPolar walking into the hood talking like Eminem.

QFT

Yuk Yuk Yuk.

[MadtownPacker]

FTFYWe should hold him over the edge of balcony until signs over the rights to his Coldplay collection.

[George Cumby]

^ Lol.

[MadtownPacker]

For those not understanding:

https://youtu.be/p5b3_aS-Wy8

[Radagast]

Shutting down an offense with a singular weapon is most possible. History has seen teams (including GB) silence carrier prime players in their tracks. The Vikings/Peterson, the Lion/Sanders, the Rams/Dickerson were all put out of business with a planned defense focused to stop them. The remainder were handled easily.

The key to a GB victory vs Carolina lies with stopping Christian McCaffrey. The Panthers Newtonless offense relies too heavily on McCaffery. This type of situation is not a new one and can be successfully dealt with.

On the other side of the football, I say hold to a steady course with a balanced run/pass offense. Allowing 1 or 2 less than pretty offensive efforts to force drastic changes is panic thinking. Identify your mistakes, work on them, and keep on trucking. Adams return at WR and Aaron Jones temp injury only brightens the spotlight on GB's 2019 season of adapting and overcoming setbacks. I want Jones to return strong, but if he can't then Williams and Vitale and Dexter Williams will need to step up and I believe that they can. RUN THE ROCK.

Professionals, like the Packers, put a loss behind them and move on, but at the same time they learn from their past and move forward a better team. Better to discover and correct weaknesses now, rather than see them show up in the playoffs.


Packers win by 8 points !

[Joemailman]

Hey everybody! It's Joe and Troy with the call!

https://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2019&wk=10

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[Cheesehead Craig]

What the hell is up with Memphis? That's an odd little island of blue.

[RashanGary]

Lafleur sounds fired up and dialed in. Panthers are a good team, especially McCaffrey, who’s the best player in the league imo. I expect the Packers to play well though and I think that loss will prove to be a good one.

[mraynrand]

What the hell is up with Memphis? That's an odd little island of blue.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5chIw0WAAA-SDU.jpg

[Sparkey]

Interesting stat picked up on Dairyland Express:

Blake Martinez’ 95 tackles this season look great. It looks like he’s all over the place. However, the majority of those come four, five or six plus yards down the field. That’s evidenced by his three tackles for loss this season.

Sounds like being "Hawkish on Blake"

Martinez is a major liabilty in the middle of the D. He is slow to read, even slower to react and runs worse than Jimmy Graham on a curl route. To think he wants to be paid like the top MLB's in the NFL. :roll:

[Joemailman]

Amos has a hamstring. Graham and Tramon get a day of rest.

https://primary-cdn-shortstop.espn.net/46654c66-352e-457e-8d39-48bfdbca4e42.png

[pbmax]

It’s not all Martinez.

Flower himself said gap discipline remains poor. Martinez is not dominating enough to put a stop to a running game by himself.

The line has to play as a unit and mind the gap.

[Joemailman]

It’s not all Martinez.

Flower himself said gap discipline remains poor. Martinez is not dominating enough to put a stop to a running game by himself.

The line has to play as a unit and mind the gap.

He also said it's not all discipline. You need to win the battle for the gap. Daniels and Clark were winning those battles last year.

[gbgary]

Martinez is a major liabilty in the middle of the D.

martinez (a 4th rd pick who leads the league in tackles) is doing what he can. he has no one next to him. pettine doesn't ask him to blitz or shoot gaps...just take on O-lineman or drop into zone coverage. i wonder why he doesn't get sacks or ints?

[wist43]

Martinez's ceiling is slightly below average - and he hasn't even been playing to that limbo-low standard.

I'm hoping Gute moves on from him next year.

[yetisnowman]

Martinez pretty much sucks. Slow reacting, soft. The heart of the line gets moved at will though, so I get why he looks bad out there. But any ILB worth a damn at least occasionally closes a gap and makes a great play without requiring the line to serve it up for him on a silver platter. He makes a ton of tackles in the 4-10 yard rage. Classic JAG

[woodbuck27]

I just read an article on the sad woes of the Packer 'no defense'.

Until things dramatically change with giving up BIG PLAYS and an I improvement to the now failing pass rush. The Green Bay Packers are sagging as a real contender in the NFC.

[Fosco33]

Seems like Adams came back too soon and ARod was trying to force him the ball to get into a groove. When downs and series are limited - it’s a risky strategy.

I agree - run the ball. But sure seemed like we ran on a majority of 1st downs last game. That tendency will get picked up...

Defense is 2nd to last (31) in yards/play since week 4. Savage is back but hasn’t been the same. Where’s the ball hawking, aggressive D. It’s luke we’re in constant prevent mode between the 20s.

[Fritz]

He also said it's not all discipline. You need to win the battle for the gap. Daniels and Clark were winning those battles last year.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzkgExmsR4


I think Harvey Korman was right: less bondage, more discipline.

[woodbuck27]

The inside run game worked well, just didn't have any passing success to compliment it. I'd vote to run the hell out of the ball this week.

If you ain't scared of McCaffrey, you ain't paying attention. He's averaging over 110 yds rushing, 45 yds receiving and 1.5 TDs/game. He leads the league in yards from scrimmage. Hopefully he doesn't make our LBs look how Jones made Dallas' look.

He is in the early discussion as NFL MVP.

[woodbuck27]

Keep it simple:

Establish the RUN early.

[woodbuck27]

I just read an article on the sad woes of the Packer 'no defense'.

Until things dramatically change with giving up BIG PLAYS and an I improvement to the now failing pass rush. The Green Bay Packers are sagging as a real contender in the NFC.

Google PACKERSWIRE " Packers defense showing worrying signs after 9 games." for details.

[woodbuck27]

Amos has a hamstring. Graham and Tramon get a day of rest.

https://primary-cdn-shortstop.espn.net/46654c66-352e-457e-8d39-48bfdbca4e42.png

It's a slow and complete recovery fr. a hamstring injury.

[Fritz]

I suspect the Kevin King groin injury is slowing him down. He's getting beat more than he was earlier in the season.

Why Oren Burks appears to be sucking so bad does not appear to be due to injury, however. Lots of posters like to hammer Ted for his last few drafts, and maybe rightfully so, but Gutekunst has his 2nd, third, AND fourth round picks from the 2018 draft not contributing at all (Josh Jackson, Burks, and J'Mon, where did the ball go? Moore).

I know it's "only" year two for them, but at the positions Jackson and Burks play, they ought to be on the field a little more at this point, no?

[mraynrand]

Jackson is a game day inactive and Burks is kinda the same way, even when on the field. But he's one of the few "LBs" they have on STs who seems worth anything.

[Fritz]

Well, maybe that's a sign he's got the physical skills but just needs to work on the game.

But I thought those Vandy boys were all pretty edumucated guys.

[mraynrand]

Well, maybe that's a sign he's got the physical skills but just needs to work on the game.

But I thought those Vandy boys were all pretty edumucated guys.

Wist hates his lack of football instinct from the word go. And ‘Cheat absolutely demolished him on the first drive at NE. They had to pull him from the game. I thought he might be decent in coverage of TE and RBs but honestly since he’s been back he has had limited snaps and has been as invisible as the baconator. I think he’s somewhat effective on STs but haven’t watched terribly closely.

[pbmax]

Burks best aspect right now is pursuit. Its not enough.

[pbmax]

Wist hates his lack of football instinct from the word go. And ‘Cheat absolutely demolished him on the first drive at NE. They had to pull him from the game. I thought he might be decent in coverage of TE and RBs but honestly since he’s been back he has had limited snaps and has been as invisible as the baconator. I think he’s somewhat effective on STs but haven’t watched terribly closely.

One gunner looked alive and well last week. Did not catch the player though.

[Fritz]

One gunner looked alive and well last week. Did not catch the player though.

As useless as some of the bottom-of-roster guys are, you wonder if it would have been worth it to keep Janis just to be a gunner. He single-handedly often wrecked the other team's returns.

Not sure who you'd make a game-day inactive in order to get such a specialist on the field.

[pbmax]

As useless as some of the bottom-of-roster guys are, you wonder if it would have been worth it to keep Janis just to be a gunner. He single-handedly often wrecked the other team's returns.

Not sure who you'd make a game-day inactive in order to get such a specialist on the field.

At this point, after how many special team coaches since McCarthy started? Four?

Its the front office. Not the coaches. And its possible that "churning the bottom of the roster" is hurting, rather than helping ST, including the decision to jettison Janis.

All Time Packer Roster is broken. So from memory: Slocum, Mennega, Zook, Mike Stock

♫Where have you gone,
John Bonamego,
Pack Nation turns it eyes to you
Woo ooh ooh♪

[pbmax]

Two ships passing in the night

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
Former #Dolphins special teams coach Darren Rizzi left Green Bay without a contract. It’s likely he’s weighing his offers, but apparently the #Packers didn’t make him one he couldn’t refuse or he wouldn’t have left. Also, #Dolphins WRs coach Shawn Jefferson interviewed Tuesday.

Rizzi is in NO. NO ranks 14, GB 20 in Special Teams.

Its the players.

[Fritz]

I would take a #14 ranking right now. Just that much difference in field position on both sides makes a big difference.

[mraynrand]

Two ships passing in the night

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
Former #Dolphins special teams coach Darren Rizzi left Green Bay without a contract. It’s likely he’s weighing his offers, but apparently the #Packers didn’t make him one he couldn’t refuse or he wouldn’t have left. Also, #Dolphins WRs coach Shawn Jefferson interviewed Tuesday.

Rizzi is in NO. NO ranks 14, GB 20 in Special Teams.

Its the players.

I bet the difference is entirely attributable to Taysom Hill.

[RashanGary]

Offense is what it is. Solid OL. HOF QB, two good, young but experienced running backs who can attack in various ways. Experienced, steady but unspectacular tight ends. One top WR and a mixture of just guys... They’re not gonna break any records, but they have a bunch of things they do well so they can take what’s given and score points. I’d call them a top 10 offense.

Defensively, they’re very young so are still making some mistakes. They’ve shown big play potential with turnovers, 3rd down defense and redzone defense. They’re about a middle of the road defense right now but I can picture them gelling together and improving even as this season continues to unfold. I could see them pick it up and finish in the top 10 as well.

Scott, Crosby and Bradley give the Packers a good ST base. They can improve even as this year unfolds as well.


My hope is the offense keeps doing what it’s done in the month of October. The defense and STs improve. We’ll see. This Packer team still has a shot.

[RashanGary]

Sanfran has Seattle, Arizona, Packers, Ravens, Saints in the next 5 weeks.

We should know if a bye week is realistic sooner than later.

[Fritz]

Offense is what it is. Solid OL. HOF QB, two good, young but experienced running backs who can attack in various ways. Experienced, steady but unspectacular tight ends. One top WR and a mixture of just guys... They’re not gonna break any records, but they have a bunch of things they do well so they can take what’s given and score points. I’d call them a top 10 offense.

Defensively, they’re very young so are still making some mistakes. They’ve shown big play potential with turnovers, 3rd down defense and redzone defense. They’re about a middle of the road defense right now but I can picture them gelling together and improving even as this season continues to unfold. I could see them pick it up and finish in the top 10 as well.

Scott, Crosby and Bradley give the Packers a good ST base. They can improve even as this year unfolds as well.


My hope is the offense keeps doing what it’s done in the month of October. The defense and STs improve. We’ll see. This Packer team still has a shot.


I was trying to be optimistic about this game - facing a young QB who was undrafted (like Timmy Boyle!), playing at home. Then I saw this line in a JSO article about the game: "The Panthers run a 4-3 scheme and are bigger upfront than recent teams the Packers have played, so expect to see some runs to the outside."

Expect to see some runs outside? Great. The very thing the Packers seem worst at doing offensively.

They're gonna drop this game, and when they finish 7-9 you'll all be apologizing to me for not believing that this is a rebuilding year and they don't have the horses. The second-year flops of Burks and Josh Jackson are hurting, especially Burks, as had the non-emergence of Rashan Gary, who trails former teammate and third round pick Chase Winovich in sacks, QB hits, tackles, and everything else, and also trails Brian Burns in those categories.

One GB writer thinks that Gary will eventually become an inside rusher only. Well, if that writer is correct, they better send Gary to the weight room this offseason and hope for the best. All I can tell you is the guy was physically supposedly way, way better than his opponents, but he did not produce. And a lot of Rats responded by making excuses - oh, he was double-teamed all the time was one. Is he being double-teamed now? I'd guess no. As far as his developing over time, I don't know enough, really, to know if that's happening, but he looks to me just like he did at Michigan - not much of an impact.

[run pMc]

I would take a #14 ranking right now. Just that much difference in field position on both sides makes a big difference.

I suspect the KR/PR performance of Sheppard is weighing the ST rankings down. I'd also expect that at this point in the season there's enough film on ST's for teams to look at and poke holes in protections. Scott has had a few dud punts but not as bad as last year. I think it's a lull he'll work out of. Crosby has been solid (knock on wood). Coverage and protections could definitely be better, but the biggest thing is the poor return game.

[bobblehead]

Panthers gonna get beat down worse than AntiPolar walking into the hood talking like Eminem.

And all the girlies say he's pretty fly for a white guy.

[bobblehead]

The inside run game worked well, just didn't have any passing success to compliment it. I'd vote to run the hell out of the ball this week.

If you ain't scared of McCaffrey, you ain't paying attention. He's averaging over 110 yds rushing, 45 yds receiving and 1.5 TDs/game. He leads the league in yards from scrimmage. Hopefully he doesn't make our LBs look how Jones made Dallas' look.

I'm kinda thinking CM3 is gonna win me the high game by a RB pool in my fantasy this week as he pretty much exploits everything our D does wrong. Flip side is that the same is true of our offense v. their D. Bet the over.

[RashanGary]

I'm kinda thinking CM3 is gonna win me the high game by a RB pool in my fantasy this week as he pretty much exploits everything our D does wrong. Flip side is that the same is true of our offense v. their D. Bet the over.

I have KC+6.5 over titans. Tyreek hill was out weeks 2-5. Hill came back part time in week 6. Then Mahomes was out since.

This is the first time KCs offense has had a healthy Mahomes and Tyreek Hill since week 1. Their division is heating up. I expect them to hold nothing back from here on out. I bet on a blow out and feel pretty good about it. There might be a slight learning curve getting them back so maybe it doesn’t go as well as I hope, but Mahomes has been moving around and throwing the last few weeks so I do expect him to just pick right up.

Now,

[bobblehead]

I was trying to be optimistic about this game - facing a young QB who was undrafted (like Timmy Boyle!), playing at home. Then I saw this line in a JSO article about the game: "The Panthers run a 4-3 scheme and are bigger upfront than recent teams the Packers have played, so expect to see some runs to the outside."

Expect to see some runs outside? Great. The very thing the Packers seem worst at doing offensively.

They're gonna drop this game, and when they finish 7-9 you'll all be apologizing to me for not believing that this is a rebuilding year and they don't have the horses. The second-year flops of Burks and Josh Jackson are hurting, especially Burks, as had the non-emergence of Rashan Gary, who trails former teammate and third round pick Chase Winovich in sacks, QB hits, tackles, and everything else, and also trails Brian Burns in those categories.

One GB writer thinks that Gary will eventually become an inside rusher only. Well, if that writer is correct, they better send Gary to the weight room this offseason and hope for the best. All I can tell you is the guy was physically supposedly way, way better than his opponents, but he did not produce. And a lot of Rats responded by making excuses - oh, he was double-teamed all the time was one. Is he being double-teamed now? I'd guess no. As far as his developing over time, I don't know enough, really, to know if that's happening, but he looks to me just like he did at Michigan - not much of an impact.

You are looking very very right on Gary, but as a homer I'm still holding a glimmer of hope. 7-9...Hope that is just hyperbole at this point. I said we couldn't fill all the holes in one off season, and that stands, but they put together a solid roster with minimal gaping holes. We got a shot at the owl, but its only about 10%. How they come off the ugly loss will tell us something about the character of this team and coaches. I'm betting GB this week as I think they will play angry.

[RashanGary]

You are looking very very right on Gary, but as a homer I'm still holding a glimmer of hope. 7-9...Hope that is just hyperbole at this point. I said we couldn't fill all the holes in one off season, and that stands, but they put together a solid roster with minimal gaping holes. We got a shot at the owl, but its only about 10%. How they come off the ugly loss will tell us something about the character of this team and coaches. I'm betting GB this week as I think they will play angry.

I was considering betting pack this week too. I went with Mahomes and Hill though.... Titans offense pathetic too. So I feel better with that bet.

[pbmax]

Peppers on Rodgers: https://t.co/o45lCWv4yy?amp=1

Interview video: https://twitter.com/Panthers/status/1193162826183041029