The Official Packers Giants Game Day Thread

[ThunderDan]

The Packers are coming off a humiliating loss on national television. Who knows or cares what the Giants did last week.

The Packers D is going to step it up today and make life miserable for Jones. He is a rookie so we need to dial up extra pressure to rattle him.

The O needs to center around Aaron Jones more. Get him more touches and then spread the ball around all over the field.

All in all and easy victory that might appear closer when the Giants return a kickoff for a TD in the 4th quarter.

Packers 31 Giants 17

[Joemailman]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/11/29/giants-rule-out-3-key-contributors-for-sunday-vs-packers/


The New York Giants will be without three of their most important players on Sunday against the Green Bay Packers.

The 2-9 Giants ruled out receiver Golden Tate, safety Jabrill Peppers and tight end Evan Engram for Week 13.

Tate and Engram represent Daniel Jones’ top two targets in the passing game, while Peppers is third on the Giants’ defense in total snaps played.

Engram, an athletic tight end, leads the Giants in targets (68), receptions (44) and receiving yards (467). He would have presented a big problem for a Packers defense that has struggled against tight ends, especially over the last five games.

Tate is a tough, veteran receiver who operates in the slot and can create yards after the catch. He’s second on the team in targets (57), receptions (36) and receiving touchdowns (four). His absence robs the Giants of their top target in the middle of the field, an area the Packers have struggled to defend in 2019.

Acquired in a trade with the Browns this offseason, Peppers leads the Giants in total tackles. He also has five tackles for losses, three forced fumbles and an interception return for a touchdown.

No excuses. Packers need to take care of business today.

Packers 24
Giants 14

[CaptainKickass]

Obligatory game day post.

[Joemailman]

First Packers Giants game since 2004 where Eli Manning was not the Giants starting QB.

[George Cumby]

Call it a meh W, today.

[Vincenzo]

Weather at MetLife Stadium is to be windy with a 74% chance of a wintry mix of precipitation - Packer weather.

[bobblehead]

Obligatory game day post.

Obligatory game day reply.

[Gotarace]

Will we see Jekyll or Hyde today....tough weather conditions it could be anyone's Game...Packers in a Squeaker
21-16

[Patler]

The true 2019 Green Bay Packers will be on display today:

Giants 24, Packers 20.

[Fosco33]

The true 2019 Green Bay Packers will be on display today:

Giants 24, Packers 20.

The reverse jinx?

I think it’ll be 30-10 Packers. Close in opening half and blow them out in 2nd.

[ThunderDan]

Fackrell now on special teams making tackles.

[ThunderDan]

Lowry with a good run stuff.

[ThunderDan]

Dr Smith moved but not sure he crossed the line.

Clark with a TFL. D gets a 3 and out with a 5 yard penalty to boot.

[Joemailman]

Positive punt return!

[ThunderDan]

Looks like Bulaga is starting at RT.

[ThunderDan]

Lazard with a huge catch.

[red]

Took all of 2 snaps before a rod gives up and chucks it long

Chris Spielman is an idiot

[pittstang5]

Positive punt return!

Yeah, but he fumbled it. Thank God it went out of bounds

[Fosco33]

Dr Smith moved but not sure he crossed the line.

Clark with a TFL. D gets a 3 and out with a 5 yard penalty to boot.

Agreed. He was a yard off.

[red]

Lazard with a huge catch.

I’d like to see a replay. Didn’t seem like a great throw

[ThunderDan]

Adams with the jet sweep. Funny that he didn’t try to turn it up field to get an extra yard or two.

[ThunderDan]

I’d like to see a replay. Didn’t seem like a great throw


Looked like Lazard had to go hard across the field to get to the ball.

[Gotarace]

Is Jones Hurt?

[red]

Looked like Lazard had to go hard across the field to get to the ball.

Yeah it did

Nice Td

[ThunderDan]

I’d like to see a replay. Didn’t seem like a great throw


But TV is so much better than live. We should have been able to see Lazard the whole play.

Hahahahahaha!

Touchdown Devante.

[red]

Stfu

“The guy who sees the field better then anyone else in the nfl”

I think Rodgers is more legend then actual player these days

[ThunderDan]

Savage with a nice run blitz and stop.

[red]

You’d think a multi billion dollar enterprise like the nfl could come up with something a little bit better then a shitty looking blue tarp tent on the sideline

Looks like something you would see out on the ice when someone can’t afford a proper ice shack

[ThunderDan]

Looked like he was bobbling it.

[ThunderDan]

There is the challenge flag.

[pittstang5]

I think it's a wasted challenge

[ThunderDan]

Great pass break up by Alexander.

[Gotarace]

Nice 4th and five...Give a seven yard Cushion

[ThunderDan]

Man, wide open 1 yard past the first down marker.

[Fosco33]

Lots of holes on this team.

[ThunderDan]

Fackrell all of the screen.

I am not sure of him as a player but I will never doubt his effort.

[ThunderDan]

Pretty ball there by Jones.

[Teamcheez1]

Kevin King sucks

[yetisnowman]

King with basically perfect coverage until blowing it the final second.

[pittstang5]

Wow...this defense is horrible!

[Gotarace]

We have a real habit of making other teams look better than they are.

[ThunderDan]

Wow, we almost broke a kickoff return.

[Fosco33]

Turn off those lines

[ThunderDan]

Get that stupid superimposed yard lines off the field. It looks stupid.

[Gotarace]

Why does Arron have to stretch the field with deep routes in shitty weather...grind it out

[ThunderDan]

Alison looked like he was boxing out on that scramble by ARod.

[ThunderDan]

Now that was a perfectly thrown ball to a wide open Lazard.

[Joemailman]

That was a good throw.

[Gotarace]

He hit a Receiver in stride...

[pittstang5]

Anyone else just go UGH!! when Rogers went deep on 2nd and 1. Glad it worked though

[Joemailman]

Anybody start Lazard on FF?

[ThunderDan]

Anyone else just go UGH!! when Rogers went deep on 2nd and 1. Glad it worked though

Looked like they were trying to hit Graham on a short crossing route but of course he is too slow to get open.

[ThunderDan]

Holding offense.

[ThunderDan]

What? The flag was down before the play was over.

[Fosco33]

Fuck the nfl.

[ThunderDan]

How is that a penalty? That is completely ridiculous.

[pittstang5]

How is that a personal foul? Maybe def. holding, but a personal foul? Fuck you Refs!!!

[Teamcheez1]

Defense can’t get off the field

[Fosco33]

How is that a penalty? That is completely ridiculous.

Could be a top 10 dumb calls vs the pack this year

[ThunderDan]

Z with great pressure.

[Gotarace]

INT King

[ThunderDan]

Pick by King!!

[Joemailman]

Okay, let's take over this game.

[ThunderDan]

Good outside run left.

[red]

King doing his usual up and down bullshit

Spielman might be the worst announcer I’ve ever heard. It’s like he hasn’t watch any game film or done any research in 5 or 6 years

I’m waiting for him to start talking about how Rodgers is the king of the back shoulder pass

[ThunderDan]

Graham with the first down catch.

[Fosco33]

King doing his usual up and down bullshit

Spielman might be the worst announcer I’ve ever heard. It’s like he hasn’t watch any game film or done any research in 5 or 6 years

I’m waiting for him to start talking about how Rodgers is the king of the back shoulder pass
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[ThunderDan]

47 yard FG in the snow.

[Joemailman]

Nice kick in bad conditions.

[ThunderDan]

We are knocking Jones around a bit.

[ThunderDan]

Come on guys! Stop giving yards on offsides.

[ThunderDan]

Come on D. Stuff them.

Or not.

[ThunderDan]

Good coverage by Goodson.

[ThunderDan]

Barkley grabbed Martinez. Easily could have been called holding.

[pittstang5]

Cmon Defense...get off the field!!!!

[ThunderDan]

Gary with the tackle.

[Teamcheez1]

Against a terrible offense this defense is pathetic

[pittstang5]

Cmon Defense....get another Turnover!!!

[ThunderDan]

Holding Lowry yanked down. Not called.

[ThunderDan]

Good pass freak up wby Amos.

[pbmax]

There is that vaunted red zone defense.

[ThunderDan]

Maybe want to get another play run before the 2 minute warning?

[Harlan Huckleby]

a little quiet in here. must have been some thanksgiviing casualties.

[Teamcheez1]

How f ing stupid is Rodgers?

[ThunderDan]

Can we just throw a 4 yard pass on 3rd down?

Stop the 20 yard shots down field.

[Harlan Huckleby]

drop

[ThunderDan]

Holding Packers.

[pittstang5]

3rd and 1 and throw deep. Enough of this shit!!!!!

[pittstang5]

Holding Packers.

...and we won't be able to recover from that. UGH!!!

[ThunderDan]

Why is NY calling a time out here?

Feels like a MM move from last year where the other team scores before half because we called a time out to save time in case we get the ball back.

[Fosco33]

3rd and 1 and throw deep. Enough of this shit!!!!!

Is that first one on Eldgin?

[Teamcheez1]

This team looks like shit today.

[ThunderDan]

Great punt by JK.

[yetisnowman]

Deep on 3rd and 2, short on 3rd and 13. This shit is nauseating

[pittstang5]

at least they kept the clock moving on 3rd and 14 and made NY burn a Timeout. should have just ran it on 2nd down

[Harlan Huckleby]

This team looks like shit today.

I think this is who they are. An average team, sometimes a little better.

[ThunderDan]

This team looks like shit today.

O has been ok. 3 scoring drives.

D hasn’t been able to get off the field after the first 3 and out.

[MadtownPacker]

Rodgers is the problem on O not the WR. He isn’t the same after getting collar snapped the second time.

[ThunderDan]

What a horrible throw.

[ThunderDan]

Nice a crossing route.

[ThunderDan]

Jenkins missed the LB on that run.

[Teamcheez1]

More bad decisions by Rodgers

[ThunderDan]

Ok D, we need a 3 and out to keep control of the game.

[pittstang5]

What a waste!

[ThunderDan]

Why are we on a commercial time out? Did someone get hurt?

[Gotarace]

We just can't grind it out and dink and dunk our way down the field...The Messiah Rogers just has to throw the deep Routes instead of moving the Chains

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Its clear are past years bad decisions have caught up to us. Other than a handful of players, we are very pedestrian. And what is worse, is we are just not very fun to watch anymore.

[ThunderDan]

Lowry with a Tfl on the run.

[Gotarace]

The Kid throws a Pretty Ball

[Teamcheez1]

This defense absolutely sucks

[ThunderDan]

That could be a grounding. A receiver was kind of close but Jones was definitely dumping it.

[ThunderDan]

Good another first down. Grind some clock. Looks like we are going away from the run.

[pittstang5]

Rogers is throwing like shit

[Teamcheez1]

Rodgers is dog shit

[ThunderDan]

Geronimo!!

[ThunderDan]

Let’s get 4 on 3rd and 2.

[ThunderDan]

Let’s get 4 on 3rd and 2.

Yeah, we did.

[Bossman641]

Give it to Jones

[ThunderDan]

Except ARod usually doesn’t throw to his outlet Chris.

[Bossman641]

Has the play fake at the goal line worked even once this year?

[ThunderDan]

So we bring in the jumbo package and run. Why not keep the same personnel in and let the not have to run against 11 in the box?

[Le Sigh]

I really can no longer imagine seeing the Packers win another NFC title much less a Super Bowl during Rodgers time in Green Bay.

They spend immense resources on Defense this year and the defense gets gashed pretty much every single game. When Rodgers said after the first week that "we have a defense" he was observing the wrong thing. What he was observing was that the Bears had no offense.

The O-line is overmatched against teams with a good line in the pass game and can't create running room when it is an obvious run. The receivers can't create separation. They have zero tight end threat.

With the way Rodgers loves the deep throw so much more than working down the field, that combination doesn't seem to have much chance to work and they are years away from fixing all those issues and Rodgers will be in his 40's by then.

The only hope I see is that Pettine's system just sucks and if you replace him things will sort themselves out and they can start to win without having a dominant offense which it appears they won't have again before Rodgers retires.

What a waste.

[Harlan Huckleby]

cripes. i liked run out of that formation

[ThunderDan]

So there is the formation to run out of but Tonyan gets the hold.

[pittstang5]

Seriously!!!!

[Harlan Huckleby]

screen behind line of scrimmage in red zone?

[ThunderDan]

ARod bailed us out there.

TD to Devante.

[pittstang5]

Just kick the fuckin FG, we know that's what's gonna happen

[Joemailman]

Phew! We needed that.

[ThunderDan]

Phew! We needed that.

Huge TD to go up 11.

[Harlan Huckleby]

dagger

[ThunderDan]

Burks with a special teams tackle.

[ThunderDan]

Martinez gets caught in the wash and Barkley breaks a long run.

[TravisWilliams23]

Ugly offense from the 1. Got lucky with the 12 men on the field for the TD. Now it's time for the D to step up.

[pittstang5]

Cmon defense. need a turnover!!!

[ThunderDan]

Savage with the pick.

[Gotarace]

That was a Gift int

[Joemailman]

Savage was wide open.

[ThunderDan]

Cmon defense. need a turnover!!!

Great call.

[Joemailman]

Cmon defense. need a turnover!!!

Ask, and you shall receive.

[pittstang5]

NICE!!!!

[TravisWilliams23]

It was a gift but hey, he didn't drop it!

[ThunderDan]

False start 69.

[ThunderDan]

Great physical run by Williams.

[ThunderDan]

Allison with a 6 yard catch on 3rd and 5.

Starting to put drives together with not going for 20 yards on 3rd down.

[TravisWilliams23]

2 huge catches by Allison this half.

[ThunderDan]

TD on a bootleg that Bossman asked about earlier.

So the answer is at least once.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Boyle! Boyle! Boyle!

garbage time

[ThunderDan]

Burks with another st tackle.

[TravisWilliams23]

Last 2 TD's mostly on Arod's skills. Not impressed with LaFleurs goal line schemes.

[ThunderDan]

Tramon with the pick. Great non-block by Alexander.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Who besides Eli Manning and Rodgers played in that final FAvre game?

Speaking of TRamon Williams... maybe

[pittstang5]

great throw under pressure

[ThunderDan]

Williams is laying the lumber on his runs.

[Joemailman]

Why does Spielman keep saying the Bears are improving? They barely beat the Giants on Chicago, and barely beat Lions who played with 3rd string QB.

[MadtownPacker]

I really can no longer imagine seeing the Packers win another NFC title much less a Super Bowl during Rodgers time in Green Bay.

They spend immense resources on Defense this year and the defense gets gashed pretty much every single game. When Rodgers said after the first week that "we have a defense" he was observing the wrong thing. What he was observing was that the Bears had no offense.

The O-line is overmatched against teams with a good line in the pass game and can't create running room when it is an obvious run. The receivers can't create separation. They have zero tight end threat.

With the way Rodgers loves the deep throw so much more than working down the field, that combination doesn't seem to have much chance to work and they are years away from fixing all those issues and Rodgers will be in his 40's by then.

The only hope I see is that Pettine's system just sucks and if you replace him things will sort themselves out and they can start to win without having a dominant offense which it appears they won't have again before Rodgers retires.

What a waste.
Welcome! You came in time because the #12 hero worship will be back in force this week.

[pittstang5]

our punter is on today!

[Teamcheez1]

Really poor coverage

[pittstang5]

Ugh!!

Cmon Defense!!!

[ThunderDan]

Ugh!!

Cmon Defense!!!

Playing prevent now.

[ThunderDan]

Did that hit the ground?

[George Cumby]

Playing prevent now.

Capers is back?

[Joemailman]

Boyle time.

[ThunderDan]

Capers is back?

I am ok with it up 18 not so much up 5.

[ThunderDan]

Pack win 31 - 13.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Win is a win

[Joemailman]

Win is a win

A win.

A conference win.

No big injuries.

Good day.

[Teamcheez1]

31-13 is a good win considering we could have played much better on both sides of the ball.

[yetisnowman]

Why does Spielman keep saying the Bears are improving? They barely beat the Giants on Chicago, and barely beat Lions who played with 3rd string QB.

Jesus tell me about it. I have a few friends who are bear fans and they have been acting like the team has turned the corner. Hope they win next week so we can put them out of their misery the following week.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Jesus tell me about it. I have a few friends who are bear fans and they have been acting like the team has turned the corner. Hope they win next week so we can put them out of their misery the following week.

Yes, please because that means they beat the cowboys who I detest above all others.

[Fosco33]

The reverse jinx?

I think it’ll be 30-10 Packers. Close in opening half and blow them out in 2nd.
Pretty good prediction. Was 3pt lead in 4th.

[George Cumby]

Yes, please because that means they beat the cowboys who I detest above all others.

This.

Glad you still not dead.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Probably been talked about, but if the Seahawks beat the Vikings and we beat Washington, Chicago, and Detroit, we can lose to the Vikings and still win the division, right? Better division record because the Vikings lost to the Bears.

[Zool]

Probably been talked about, but if the Seahawks beat the Vikings and we beat Washington, Chicago, and Detroit, we can lose to the Vikings and still win the division, right? Better division record because the Vikings lost to the Bears.

That sounds right. A push in the head to head. Next tie breaker is division record. After that is conference I think?

[Joemailman]

That sounds right. A push in the head to head. Next tie breaker is division record. After that is conference I think?

After division, it's winning pct. vs common opponents.


TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more teams in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two teams
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the teams).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

[MadtownPacker]

How the mighty have fallen. From talks of #1 seed to realizing these fucks aren’t going anywhere this season.

[George Cumby]

^ Packers are Pretenders, not Contenders, I'm afraid.

[QBME]

^
^
Yup and yup.

Smoke and mirrors.

[Freak Out]

I still think they can pull heads from rectums and do some damage.

[Bretsky]

How the mighty have fallen. From talks of #1 seed to realizing these fucks aren’t going anywhere this season.


A thread about a month back asked who our biggest challengers are for the NFC. I didn't comment because at the time I was not convinced we were one of them.

San Fran and NO are definitely a step ahead of us, maybe a few. Seattle "might" be as well. I'm not sure if we are better than the Vikes or not.

With that being said, gotta be happy with the team as they are doing better than nearly everyone expected

[Joemailman]

A thread about a month back asked who our biggest challengers are for the NFC. I didn't comment because at the time I was not convinced we were one of them.

San Fran and NO are definitely a step ahead of us, maybe a few. Seattle "might" be as well. I'm not sure if we are better than the Vikes or not.

With that being said, gotta be happy with the team as they are doing better than nearly everyone expected

I agree. I never expected this team to go the Super Bowl. I just felt they had get back to winning football. They've done that. Any playoff success will be icing on the cake. 2020 is the year they can hopefully be back among the elite.

[pbmax]

There are problems. But this team can get to the Owl. Doesn't look likely now, but NO and SF don't scare me.

Would much prefer playoffs to be at home though.

[red]

There are problems. But this team can get to the Owl. Doesn't look likely now, but NO and SF don't scare me.

Would much prefer playoffs to be at home though.

SF doesn't scare you?

they just handed us our ass a little over a week ago

[pbmax]

SF doesn't scare you?

they just handed us our ass a little over a week ago

So did the Chargers. Do the Chargers scare you?

[Joemailman]

There are problems. But this team can get to the Owl. Doesn't look likely now, but NO and SF don't scare me.

Would much prefer playoffs to be at home though.

Issue with the Packers isn't the opponents. Until the defensive secondary shows it can defend the middle of the field, I don't see them competing with the top 3 teams.

[pbmax]

Issue with the Packers isn't the opponents. Until the defensive secondary shows it can defend the middle of the field, I don't see them competing with the top 3 teams.

I am not promising it's easy. I am just saying they should be competitive in each game.

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't disagree with you, but a big pass rush team like the Niners would seem to be the toughest of the three, especially if we need to go back to their place.

[Fritz]

Issue with the Packers isn't the opponents. Until the defensive secondary shows it can defend the middle of the field, I don't see them competing with the top 3 teams.

Ah, just like the old days. "He was YOUR guy!"

"No, he was YOURS."

"What's my assignment again?"

[red]

Issue with the Packers isn't the opponents. Until the defensive secondary shows it can defend the middle of the field, I don't see them competing with the top 3 teams.

We actually won our last super bowl without covering anyone over the middle

That’s the year that whole mess started

[Patler]

We actually won our last super bowl without covering anyone over the middle

That’s the year that whole mess started

Nick Collins?

[pbmax]

Seeing Collins, Woodson and Harris confused over coverages was especially disheartening.

[pbmax]

The only team substantially better than the Packers 34 point differential (Points For - Points Against) are the 49ers and I don't believe in them. NO is at 50 which is low for a 2 loss team at this point in the season.

Heck, I might be more worried about the Vikings at +77. But that team makes no sense to me as they struggle like they do on offense at times.

[pbmax]

Packers struggled versus a lot of good TEs over the Favre/Rodgers years. Anyone remember having to put Butler on Jay Novacek?

[Fritz]

What this team really, really needs is an inside linebacker who can cover and shed blocks and tackle against the run. How were we to know Raven Greene was the key to the whole thing?

[pbmax]

What this team really, really needs is an inside linebacker who can cover and shed blocks and tackle against the run. How were we to know Raven Greene was the key to the whole thing?

If Packers had any sense, you draft DK Metcalf and make him the Nitro LB.

[MadtownPacker]

So did the Chargers. Do the Chargers scare you?If playing the Packers in Cali then hell yes. As much as I hate them you aren’t giving the Niners credit for the ass whupping they put on GB. I don’t see it being any better if the game is at Lambeau.

[Fritz]

Not unless the offensive line can block a lot better than they did in San Francisco.

[MadtownPacker]

Not unless the offensive line can block a lot better than they did in San Francisco.I think a different approach on offensive play calling would make a difference. Back to the style from the early first half of the season was what I had expected against SF. Expecting the OL to hold their pass rush was ridiculous.

[pbmax]

Focusing on the offense is fine, but the larger problems are defense and special teams.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EK8xC4HXsAA0Xol?format=png&name=900x900

[texaspackerbacker]

Not unless the offensive line can block a lot better than they did in San Francisco.

You really nailed it there. Our O Line is always pretty lame, but Aaron Rodgers' mobility negates the lameness. Against the Niners, though, and actually against the Chargers too, the D was in there so quick and on such a broad front that his mobility got negated.

My question is, if we play the Niners again, would they be able to do the same again? I remember a game long long long ago when the Lions on Thanksgiving ruined our day in a very similar way and gave Lombardi's Packers there only loss in a 13-1 season. It seemed hopeless then too, but different days, different locations, the same Lions D wasn't so tough.

[run pMc]

SF also has a very talented front 4. Imagine Nick Bosa and Deforest Buckner lined up next to Kenny Clark.

They can put Sherman on Adams with occasional safety help, a nickel on A.Jones, and let Fred Warner roaming the middle. Nobody else getting open before the rush gets to Rodgers. GB doesn't exactly have a lot of playmakers keeping DC's sleepless at night.

The 49ers D have made a lot of offenses look bad this year, I don't think it was a fluke or something playing at Lambeau would fix. They have weaknesses, but they are a unfavorable matchup for GB.

[MadtownPacker]

You really nailed it there. Our O Line is always pretty lame, but Aaron Rodgers' mobility negates the lameness. Against the Niners, though, and actually against the Chargers too, the D was in there so quick and on such a broad front that his mobility got negated.

My question is, if we play the Niners again, would they be able to do the same again? I remember a game long long long ago when the Lions on Thanksgiving ruined our day in a very similar way and gave Lombardi's Packers there only loss in a 13-1 season. It seemed hopeless then too, but different days, different locations, the same Lions D wasn't so tough.That first paragraph is you admitting what you have called others negativist for saying the same shit Tex!! Are we getting to you? :lol:

Run pMc’s (why the capped M?) post sums it up for me. The fucking niners D is kryptonite for the Pack right now.

[MadtownPacker]

Focusing on the offense is fine, but the larger problems are defense and special teams.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EK8xC4HXsAA0Xol?format=png&name=900x900
Riddle me this Statman, how much is due to all the short drives by the O? Even when scoring it happens so damn fast. Some ball control would be nice to see.

Looks like it is about half the game time. Doesn’t seem to favor a lesser defense.

https://www.packers.com/team/stats/

[MadtownPacker]

Fuck!! Is this correct or am I looking at it wrong? The shitty defense is one of the better ones for turnover ratio?

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/turnovers.html

Is so that means the offense isn’t capitalizing on these turnovers doesn’t it?


Maybe Tex is right and I am just a negativist. :lol:

[Zool]

Fuck!! Is this correct or am I looking at it wrong? The shitty defense is one of the better ones for turnover ratio?

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/turnovers.html

Is so that means the offense isn’t capitalizing on these turnovers doesn’t it?


Maybe Tex is right and I am just a negativist. :lol:

They aren't quite as good as their record, but you're being a bit too far to the "they suck" side. They are a flawed team who won 13 games the last 2 years combined. They should probably hit 11 or 12 this year.

When the D doesn't get turnovers, they aren't very good. The get pressure, but give up too many big plays. The O is too streaky to really get a good feel for how they are doing in each game. I'm with PB in thinking the best part of The Flower is his ability to take what the other D is giving them. Love to see the O put together a 4 quarter game this year.

[MadtownPacker]

Look Lil’ Tex I never used the word suck. But they did suck hard vs SF. What I am seeing is the Pack isn’t a SB contender. Is that not the standard anymore? When did Title Town change to Playoff Town? Not expecting a championship ever year but this year was looking possible until recently. Even the giants game wasn’t pretty to start but the second half refilled the koolaid pitcher for many. I would like to be wrong but I’m calling it how I see it. Team is trending down but maybe a severe asskicking of the redskins will help restore my thirst for that sweet Green and Gold refreshment.

[texaspackerbacker]

That first paragraph is you admitting what you have called others negativist for saying the same shit Tex!! Are we getting to you? :lol:

Run pMc’s (why the capped M?) post sums it up for me. The fucking niners D is kryptonite for the Pack right now.

When did I ever have good things to say about our O Line? FWIW, you weren't the main one I had in mind when I said negativists. All I said that was negative was that in those two games, the O Line blocking got so bad that even Rodgers couldn't bail them out. 9 other times, though he did, and I expect us to win out in the regular season the same way. And if Bosa brings his homies to Lambeau, I wouldn't bet against beating him then too. Going to San Fran again and winning, though, is a stretch even for me, but who knows hahahaha.

[Zool]

Look Lil’ Tex I never used the word suck. But they did suck hard vs SF. What I am seeing is the Pack isn’t a SB contender. Is that not the standard anymore? When did Title Town change to Playoff Town? Not expecting a championship ever year but this year was looking possible until recently. Even the giants game wasn’t pretty to start but the second half refilled the koolaid pitcher for many. I would like to be wrong but I’m calling it how I see it. Team is trending down but maybe a severe asskicking of the redskins will help restore my thirst for that sweet Green and Gold refreshment.

Going from 6 wins to the Super Bowl is a bit of an over expectation. If it happens be happy. If it doesn’t, enjoy the ride. It’s football not life and death. Be pissed off during the games. If you’re still pissed off 10 days after a loss, you might want to re-evaluate your priorities.

[MadtownPacker]

I’m not pissed off at the games, disgusted would be more accurate. Though 10 years ago a big loss would have had me pissed until a Tuesday or so. I have since gotten my priorities straight!


But nowadays I like the analyzing of it all. I just come off as “abrasive” to you people. But look at what I have done. Damn near got you and Tex singing Kumbaya together!!

Now tell me that ain’t beautiful... Zool > :hug: < Tex

[run pMc]

Fuck!! Is this correct or am I looking at it wrong? The shitty defense is one of the better ones for turnover ratio?

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/turnovers.html

Is so that means the offense isn’t capitalizing on these turnovers doesn’t it?


Maybe Tex is right and I am just a negativist. :lol:

I think you're slightly off: I think the offense -- and their winning record -- is helped by the turnovers. With the turnovers they are killing drives -- they've had a couple of picks in the RZ -- and when they are on the opponent's side of the 50 it means a shorter field. IIRC there's some stat out there that more or less says GB has forced a TO in every win this year, and none in their losses. I don't have a lot of confidence in their offense driving 80 yards consistently...teams seemed to have figured out A.Jones, Graham is pedestrian, and Adams can be doubled.

Pb is right -- the defense and ST are problem areas. They remain vulnerable to TE's and aren't always stout vs. the run. Teams like PHI, SF, MIN, CAR are tough matchups because they have TEs and RBs who can catch, combined with a decent running game. They need another DL to help Clark, and a fast, rangy ILB who can cover.

Having a solid KR/PR would help the ST, but I wonder if it's the blocking more than the returning.

This is a team that won 6 games last year, and has missed the playoffs for 2 years, for many reasons. They still have some big holes to fill in the roster. Getting to the playoffs is a mild surprise but getting to the SB over SF and NO would be a big surprise. I'd never say never -- teams can get hot, and Rodgers is a quality QB capable of carrying a team.

[pbmax]

Short fields definitely help. So that turnover ratio is very important this year as Zool mentioned.

But the offense does capitalize and scores, the first imperative for an offense.

The ST doesn't change or protect field position (though with the Weapon back on track that could change) and the Defense surrenders yards and too many points.

Defense is 14th in points surrendered per game, 28th is yardage surrendered and 11th in plays faced per game. Surrendering fewer points is commendable, but they are giving up WAY too many big plays.

The offense is carrying its weight even if it struggles with longer drives. ST are mediocre and Defense is below average.

[MadtownPacker]

Oh I am way more than “slightly off” Run! :lol:

But back to the stats, I was looking at it wrong. Thanks for clarifying. But I still think the time of possession is a big issue that makes the struggling defense worse.

PB - agree that ST is a huge problem. At the SF game I saw the KR fair catching when there was plenty of opportunity to gain 5-10 yards at minimum. Even the SF fans were questioning why he was acting scared.

[run pMc]

Oh I am way more than “slightly off” Run!
Aren't we all! LOL

Saw Ryan Wood remarking on the JSO that all Tyler Ervin has to do is return a punt 4 yards and it will be GB's longest so far this year. That is pathetic. Blockers need to give him a chance, but I think if you have a 5 yard window you return that punt...if you make the first guy miss you're often in business.