Entire History of America Related Through A Pie

[pbmax]

https://m.chicagoreader.com/chicago/mince-pie-the-real-american-pie/Content?oid=1267308

Much of that history is stupid, but you knew that already.

[MadtownPacker]

Shit, that is like a Reefer Madness article about the damn pie!!

Where can I get one, a real one?

[3irty1]

Interesting read.

Last year I had what was supposedly mince pie that was a traditional family recipe from some of my parents' waspy friends from Rhode Island. I thought it was pretty lousy. Super heavy, dry, and kinda bland in that it was loaded with spices yet nothing that would count as seasoning. I made sense of it at the time as the kind of dish you might enjoy as an 1880's British patriot who could appreciate the imperial spectacle of uniting all these exotic spices into a loosemeat pie.

I may have gotten a dud. Now I wanna make one.

[pbmax]

Shit, that is like a Reefer Madness article about the damn pie!!

Where can I get one, a real one?

Just don't buy on of those industrial, machine made one's! They killed an icon!

[pbmax]

Interesting read.

Last year I had what was supposedly mince pie that was a traditional family recipe from some of my parents' waspy friends from Rhode Island. I thought it was pretty lousy. Super heavy, dry, and kinda bland in that it was loaded with spices yet nothing that would count as seasoning. I made sense of it at the time as the kind of dish you might enjoy as an 1880's British patriot who could appreciate the imperial spectacle of uniting all these exotic spices into a loosemeat pie.

I may have gotten a dud. Now I wanna make one.

Frankly the entire article, like US History, made more sense once I read how much Brandy or Rum they wanted in one of the recipes.

Makes me wonder if Wisconsin stopped making mince pies and just drank the brandy or was always just drinking the brandy.

[pbmax]

Interesting read.

Last year I had what was supposedly mince pie that was a traditional family recipe from some of my parents' waspy friends from Rhode Island. I thought it was pretty lousy. Super heavy, dry, and kinda bland in that it was loaded with spices yet nothing that would count as seasoning. I made sense of it at the time as the kind of dish you might enjoy as an 1880's British patriot who could appreciate the imperial spectacle of uniting all these exotic spices into a loosemeat pie.

I may have gotten a dud. Now I wanna make one.

As a podcast listener, I am compelled by the subliminal messages to share that if you want to make Rhode Island slightly more interesting, listen to the first season of the Crimetown podcast. Great story about corruption in Providence.

[George Cumby]

I like me a good Cornish pasty.

[hoosier]

Ever been to the Wedgie place at State and the Square in Madison?

[George Cumby]

Ever been to the Wedgie place at State and the Square in Madison?

Big Poppas, correct? That’s where I had my first pasty!

[hoosier]

Close, Myles Teddywedgers. Used to live down the block from them during college years. Can't beat it for a Packer noon start time on a cold Sunday.

[MadtownPacker]

Mince pies kinda sound like tamales that get sold in parking lots.

[hoosier]

Mince pies = tamales salvatrucha.

[MadtownPacker]

THOSE people make them different than Mexicanos. I never buy tamales cuz my Mama makes the bomb ones. I have begun learning by watching and not just eating. Already made a batch following her style. But every year there are reports of tamales being sold on the street made with canned dog food, the meaty looking kind. That’s why I specified the parking lot.

[George Cumby]

Close, Myles Teddywedgers. Used to live down the block from them during college years. Can't beat it for a Packer noon start time on a cold Sunday.

That's right. What year you graduate?

[George Cumby]

THOSE people make them different than Mexicanos. I never buy tamales cuz my Mama makes the bomb ones. I have begun learning by watching and not just eating. Already made a batch following her style. But every year there are reports of tamales being sold on the street made with canned dog food, the meaty looking kind. That’s why I specified the parking lot.

Lol. True story. Rainy shitty day in Wisco' during undergrad, I must've been 18-19. I buy some canned tamales (This is Wisconsin in the 80's, don't judge me) and go back to my dorm room, heat them up in the microwave. I start eating. I'm all, "WTF? These things are awful, they are impossible to eat, taste like shit and are really tough!" Couldn't finish, threw them out.

Well 15 years later, a friend of a friend had some homemade tamales that were reportedly awesome. I was leery but had a revelation when my buddy PEELED THE CORN HUSK OFF THE TAMALE.

I'm a dope.

[hoosier]

That's right. What year you graduate?

1991. I was on the six year plan, which with current tuition rates is now obsolete.

[MadtownPacker]

Lol. True story. Rainy shitty day in Wisco' during undergrad, I must've been 18-19. I buy some canned tamales (This is Wisconsin in the 80's, don't judge me) and go back to my dorm room, heat them up in the microwave. I start eating. I'm all, "WTF? These things are awful, they are impossible to eat, taste like shit and are really tough!" Couldn't finish, threw them out.

Well 15 years later, a friend of a friend had some homemade tamales that were reportedly awesome. I was leery but had a revelation when my buddy PEELED THE CORN HUSK OFF THE TAMALE.

I'm a dope.Ok you took pendejo to a new level! :lol: I have never heard of anyone doing that shit. Pretty sure even dogs will tear them open.

[George Cumby]

‘90 for me.

[George Cumby]

Ok you took pendejo to a new level! :lol: I have never heard of anyone doing that shit. Pretty sure even dogs will tear them open.

All 18 year old boys are, by definition, pendejos.

[George Cumby]

Ok you took pendejo to a new level! :lol: I have never heard of anyone doing that shit. Pretty sure even dogs will tear them open.

All 18 year old boys are, by definition, pendejos.

[pbmax]

1991. I was on the six year plan, which with current tuition rates is now obsolete.

Well now I am sure I tripped over you at a bar at some point in the 80s.

[hoosier]

Well now I am sure I tripped over you at a bar at some point in the 80s.

Let's see if I have the requisite brain cells to list my haunts....

6 (602), Plaza (quarter taps!), Bear (Black), Crystal Corner. Back in the earlier 80s while in HS, I had a fake ID but I've managed to forget where it took me. Those were the last glorious years of the pre-photo drivers licenses.

[George Cumby]

Oh man. Quarter taps at the Plaza.

You from Madison? If so, what high school you go to?

[hoosier]

Yes, West. You?

[George Cumby]

Yes, West. You?

Same.

'86

[hoosier]

Year before you.

[hoosier]

dp

[MadtownPacker]

Maybe you even hazed him.

[hoosier]

We didn't haze, we pranked. Senior prank day was the highlight of the year. Class before mine broke into the school at night and sprayed skunk oil all over the place. Two classes before, a bunch of guys got a pickup, drove it down to the dairy barns on campus and loaded up one of the cows. Took it over to school, put planks on the stairs and walked it up to the third floor. Removed planks and went home. Cows are okish going up stairs but they do not like to walk down.

[ThunderDan]

I was Memorial class of 88.

[George Cumby]

I was Memorial class of 88.

Really enjoyed those games at Memorial Stadium, and you guys kicking our asses.

[ThunderDan]

Really enjoyed those games at Memorial Stadium, and you guys kicking our asses.

I played varsity my freshman year in 84 and we lost in the state finals to Manitowoc. Senior season we were just trying to stay within 14 points of Sun Prairie.

[George Cumby]

I played varsity my freshman year in 84 and we lost in the state finals to Manitowoc. Senior season we were just trying to stay within 14 points of Sun Prairie.

No kidding. I must've seen you play.

[pbmax]

Let's see if I have the requisite brain cells to list my haunts....

6 (602), Plaza (quarter taps!), Bear (Black), Crystal Corner. Back in the earlier 80s while in HS, I had a fake ID but I've managed to forget where it took me. Those were the last glorious years of the pre-photo drivers licenses.

Paul's Club (start the night off trying to pick up classy women!)
The Pub
The Plaza
Irish Pub (called McKensey's now I think)
Black Bear Lounge/Taco Grande
MadHatters
Whatever the hell was across the street from Madhatters - JOE HARTS!
Regent Street Retreat
Big 10 Pub
Church Key
Stillwaters
Jockos Rocket Ship (closed after federal drug investigation implicated the owner and some fireman and police)
Bar/restaurant under Kennedy Manor Apartments
Varsity Club (home to 1001 Tommy Thompson stories)
Red Shed (still open, get the brick cheese cheeseburger)
State Street Brats (red brats)

Grandaddy Of Them All: Essen Haus (make dinner reservation, eat $10 of appetizers) drink boots for as long as you remain upright)

I am missing a couple. Used to be a bar/restaurant over a fast food joint on north side of State, can't remember name. Italian food I think. Jockos and Big Ten Pub were only two bars downtown (that we knew of) that had two satellite antennas, one for NFC games and one for AFC games. Used to watch Browns at Big 10.

Looking at this list and knowing this isn't all of them, I am thinking Hoosier tripped over me :lol:

https://madison.com/wsj/entertainment/dining/bars_and_clubs/throwback-photos-madison-area-bars-you-ll-never-drink-at/collection_b1376533-3511-5ef7-b763-d00dff923595.html

https://madison.com/wsj/entertainment/dining/bars_and_clubs/throwback-collection-beloved-madison-area-bars-and-restaurants-we-still/collection_f7dde768-89ff-52c0-921d-190bc5dda554.html

https://madison.com/entertainment/dining/bars_and_clubs/throwback-photos-uw-madison-student-bars-you-ll-never-drink/collection_3ef648d2-02da-5998-acb4-4b10ca280bd9.html#8

[pbmax]

The Flamingo!

[MadtownPacker]

Pretty sure PB was the guy you picked on.

[ThunderDan]

The Flamingo!

No, it's "The Flaming - O!"

[hoosier]

Paul's Club (start the night off trying to pick up classy women!)
The Pub
The Plaza
Irish Pub (called McKensey's now I think)
Black Bear Lounge/Taco Grande
MadHatters
Whatever the hell was across the street from Madhatters - JOE HARTS!
Regent Street Retreat
Big 10 Pub
Church Key
Stillwaters
Jockos Rocket Ship (closed after federal drug investigation implicated the owner and some fireman and police)
Bar/restaurant under Kennedy Manor Apartments
Varsity Club (home to 1001 Tommy Thompson stories)
Red Shed (still open, get the brick cheese cheeseburger)
State Street Brats (red brats)

Grandaddy Of Them All: Essen Haus (make dinner reservation, eat $10 of appetizers) drink boots for as long as you remain upright)

I am missing a couple. Used to be a bar/restaurant over a fast food joint on north side of State, can't remember name. Italian food I think. Jockos and Big Ten Pub were only two bars downtown (that we knew of) that had two satellite antennas, one for NFC games and one for AFC games. Used to watch Browns at Big 10.

Looking at this list and knowing this isn't all of them, I am thinking Hoosier tripped over me :lol:

https://madison.com/wsj/entertainment/dining/bars_and_clubs/throwback-photos-madison-area-bars-you-ll-never-drink-at/collection_b1376533-3511-5ef7-b763-d00dff923595.html

https://madison.com/wsj/entertainment/dining/bars_and_clubs/throwback-collection-beloved-madison-area-bars-and-restaurants-we-still/collection_f7dde768-89ff-52c0-921d-190bc5dda554.html

https://madison.com/entertainment/dining/bars_and_clubs/throwback-photos-uw-madison-student-bars-you-ll-never-drink/collection_3ef648d2-02da-5998-acb4-4b10ca280bd9.html#8

Great links! How could I forget about Ocayz, Club D/Barbershop (best hot buttered rum ever), Fess??? Jocko's, I remember the bust (wasn't there!) but cannot remember what it was called before it became Jockos.

[pbmax]

No, it's "The Flaming - O!"

Yes it was.

[pbmax]

Was Okayz the club that burned down and they never really replaced? One of the few live music sites in the city?

[hoosier]

Yes, New Year's eve wasn't it? Ocayz was a happening place in the punk and grunge scenes, the CBGB of the Midwest.

[George Cumby]

Essenhaus. Omg.

Dudes job there was Puke Boy going around in an apron, rubber gloves, a 50 gallon garbage and a dust pan scooping frat boy vomit.

So crazy.

[ThunderDan]

Didn’t see the Badger Tavern on your list. Use to shoot darts with Kurt Portman and Danny Jones there in the late 80s. It was in the triangle where University Ave and W Johnson split down by Union South.