The Official Packers Vikings Game Day Thread

[ThunderDan]

Thank you.

[George Cumby]

omg

[Harlan Huckleby]

bad hold

[Cheesehead Craig]

That was pretty blatant

[beveaux1]

Good timeout.

[pittstang5]

Cmon Defense!!!!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Rashan Gary with some nice pass rushes.

[pittstang5]

Dr. Z needs to be on the field!!!!

Cmon Defense!!!!

[esoxx]

The Kyler Fackrell Experience

[ThunderDan]

Fackrell all over the screen.

[pbmax]

Kyler Fackrell is Troy Polamalu

[Rutnstrut]

Holy Fackrell.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Best defensive game of the season.

[ThunderDan]

They can’t punt.

[MadScientist]

Vikings Surrender

[Fosco33]

Huh??

[Harlan Huckleby]

4th and 24 - wasn't that the philly game?

[pbmax]

Holy Fackrell.

Good callback!

[pbmax]

4th and 24 - wasn't that the philly game?

Should ban you for that.

[beveaux1]

Fat lady is warming up.

[Rastak]

Odd decision.........

[Bretsky]

IF we can close this is our best win hands down of the year.

[George Cumby]

WTF

[Joemailman]

Great series by Fackrell.

[George Cumby]

Odd decision.........

Thanks for hanging out.

[Fosco33]

4th and 24 - wasn't that the philly game?

Almost.

[gbgary]

get jones out of there.

[Joemailman]

IF we can close this is our best win hands down of the year.

Yep. Tonight Packers finally look like a team that could make noise in the playoffs.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Odd decision.........

There still is almost 4 minutes

Not terrrible IMO

[pittstang5]

Cmon Offense!!!! need a couple 1st downs

[red]

Gary with the aqb hit.

is that Almost QB hit?

is that a new special stat for gary so he can actually have stats?

[beveaux1]

get jones out of there.

Can't. Williams is out.

[pbmax]

Boot it for a run/pass.

[esoxx]

4th and 24 - wasn't that the philly game?

4th and 26

[pittstang5]

GET THE FUCKIN 1ST DOWN!!!!

[red]

IF we can close this is our best win hands down of the year.

yup

solid win against an actual good team

[Joemailman]

is that Almost QB hit?

is that a new special stat for gary so he can actually have stats?

Isn't pressures a stat?

[yetisnowman]

Throw for a 1st

[esoxx]

Cmon Offense!!!! need a couple 1st downs

Not really

[pittstang5]

Damn it!!!!

[Harlan Huckleby]

Jones damn near got first

[yetisnowman]

First down so much more valuable than 40 secs.

[ThunderDan]

Holding GB before the punt.

[yetisnowman]

You guys sure love celebrating before anything is over

[pbmax]

Shorter field. Great.

[beveaux1]

On a punt, we get 2 penalties...as the punting team.

[George Cumby]

Unleash the Smiths!

[pbmax]

Clark almost there.

[pbmax]

Turn around bright eyes!

[Cheesehead Craig]

Unleash the Smiths!

They have been for the whole game

[pbmax]

Unleash the Smiths!

Record breaking ST units.

[red]

big Z

defensive mvp

[Cheesehead Craig]

Wow. Just wow

[ThunderDan]

Vikings score on 2 out of 3 times they started in Packer territory. How is that leaving point out there?

[beveaux1]

He's absolutely unstoppable. I'd rather have him than Mack.

[Joemailman]

Z!!!!!!!!!!

[esoxx]

This shit's too easy

[Gotarace]

Z has had a Reggie like Night

[Teamcheez1]

Why isn’t Z Smith in the discussion for defensive player of the year?

[beveaux1]

Unleash the Smiths!

We are.

[pbmax]

Vikings score on 2 out of 3 times they started in Packer territory. How is that leaving point out there?

They just needed 2 more turnovers in Packer territory. That’s all.

[Rastak]

Night guys, you dominated. See you in the playoffs.....

[George Cumby]

That inside stunt was beautiful.

[pbmax]

Why isn’t Z Smith in the discussion for defensive player of the year?

He is, just not Pro Bowl somehow.

[pbmax]

Night guys, you dominated. See you in the playoffs.....

See you Ras. You guys do some damage in the wild card game.

#notaslam

[Joemailman]

Night guys, you dominated. See you in the playoffs.....

See ya Ras. Beat 49ers on divisional round, will ya?

[beveaux1]

See you Ras. You guys do some damage in the wild card game.

#notaslam

Just not against us.

[George Cumby]

D line taking bets on who gets the next sack.

[pbmax]

Kind of a dumb call

[red]

so

we win next week and we get a bye?

we control our destiny, right?

[yetisnowman]

Night guys, you dominated. See you in the playoffs.....

Lol you banking on Cousins to win a road playoff game? Good luck with that. SK(LOL)!

[Joemailman]

so

we win next week and we get a bye?

we control our destiny, right?

Correct sir.

[pbmax]

so

we win next week and we get a bye?

we control our destiny, right?

Yep

[George Cumby]

so

we win next week and we get a bye?

we control our destiny, right?

I think so. We might even have a chance at first seed?

[ThunderDan]

so

we win next week and we get a bye?

we control our destiny, right?

Yes and if Sea beats SF and we win we got the 1 seed.

[pbmax]

Nm

[ThunderDan]

Huge road win.

First loss for Minn at home this season. First win at Us Bank Stadium for the Pack.

[beveaux1]

Nm

Absolutely.

[MadScientist]

Aaron Jones had more yards than the Vikings

[Joemailman]

I know a guy who is a diehard Redskins fan. When Cousins left Washington, I asked him why Redskins never gave him a contract extension. His answer was "His record in big games."

[Harlan Huckleby]

Yes and if Sea beats SF and we win we got the 1 seed.

It doesn't feel right after San Fran squashed pack.

[George Cumby]

Did not see this coming.

So pleasantly surprise.

Fun times, Rats.

[red]

Yes and if Sea beats SF and we win we got the 1 seed.

do we hold tie breaker over the saints?

[smuggler]

It doesn't feel right after San Fran squashed pack.

Maybe not, but might give us the opportunity to see how that game looks played on our field.


do we hold tie breaker over the saints?

Yes, if we beat Lions next week, because we would have a better conference record.

[Fritz]

It doesn't feel right after San Fran squashed pack.



Accept the possibility, Harlan. Let it permeate your being.

The defense was phenomnal tonight. Losing Cook really hurt the Vikes.

[ThunderDan]

do we hold tie breaker over the saints?

Yes, we do.

[esoxx]

Accept the possibility, Harlan. Let it permeate your being.

The defense was phenomnal tonight. Losing Cook really hurt the Vikes.

So did having Cousins play QB for the Vikes.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I have a feeling they'll come back. They look like the better team. You never know though--not if they keep turning the ball over.

While everybody was panicking, this guy called it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Accept the possibility, Harlan. Let it permeate your being.

The defense was phenomnal tonight. Losing Cook really hurt the Vikes.

https://i.imgur.com/27MuExM.gif

[Joemailman]

Thunder Dan on a serious roll with these Game Day threads.

[Freak Out]

I think the D plays lights out tonight and the offense gives Jones the ball enough to win.

Sure Harv. I was pissed when they fucked up hat goal line play at the end of the half.

[pbmax]

Aaron Jones had more yards than the Vikings

He ain't bad.

[texaspackerbacker]

Any word on Jamal Williams? We may need to bring the other Williams out of moth balls - he is still on the roster, isn't he?

[run pMc]

Any word on Jamal Williams? We may need to bring the other Williams out of moth balls - he is still on the roster, isn't he?

He is, but I get the sense they don't trust him in the passing game yet. Tyler Ervin might end up getting snaps if Jamaal's shoulder keeps him out of the DET game.

[wist43]

Great win... don't think we have anything for SF or NO - SEA has hit some white water though.

Rodgers has really fallen off though - he just doesn't see open receivers like he used to. Locks on to Adams and he ain't comin off of that read for nothing. On that Int. he had Graham breaking wide open over the middle. There was another play that was a completion to Adams for about 15 yds, but further up the field Kumerow was wide open - might have been a TD.

He just doesn't see the field very well any more.

[KYPack]

Great win... don't think we have anything for SF or NO - SEA has hit some white water though.

Rodgers has really fallen off though - he just doesn't see open receivers like he used to. Locks on to Adams and he ain't comin off of that read for nothing. On that Int. he had Graham breaking wide open over the middle. There was another play that was a completion to Adams for about 15 yds, but further up the field Kumerow was wide open - might have been a TD.

He just doesn't see the field very well any more.

Now Now Wisty.

The glass ain't half full, it's 3/4 full and rising.
We started slow. Arod pressured the defense, had some bad breaks, and kept taking what they give him, and broke those purple bastards down.
He sees the field fine, He just doesn't see many guys breaking open. So he stays patient and goes to the guys he trusts. That works out to being Adams 90% of the time . Ain't shit wrong with that. He's not the QB he used to be, but he's still top 3 in the NFL. That's good.

BTW, we were in a 2-4 nickle and some 2-3 dime 50% of the game.

Was that a dumb scheme?

It ain't the X's and the O's, it's the Jim's and the Joe's.

[George Cumby]

^ Lol.

[texaspackerbacker]

Now Now Wisty.

The glass ain't half full, it's 3/4 full and rising.
We started slow. Arod pressured the defense, had some bad breaks, and kept taking what they give him, and broke those purple bastards down.
He sees the field fine, He just doesn't see many guys breaking open. So he stays patient and goes to the guys he trusts. That works out to being Adams 90% of the time . Ain't shit wrong with that. He's not the QB he used to be, but he's still top 3 in the NFL. That's good.

BTW, we were in a 2-4 nickle and some 2-3 dime 50% of the game.

Was that a dumb scheme?

It ain't the X's and the O's, it's the Jim's and the Joe's.

All true, KYP, but the way the Packers play 2-3 and 2-4, it's a lot like an old fashioned 4 man line. Most of the time it reminds me of the old Buddy Ryan 4-1-6.

[wist43]

Now Now Wisty.

The glass ain't half full, it's 3/4 full and rising.
We started slow. Arod pressured the defense, had some bad breaks, and kept taking what they give him, and broke those purple bastards down.
He sees the field fine, He just doesn't see many guys breaking open. So he stays patient and goes to the guys he trusts. That works out to being Adams 90% of the time . Ain't shit wrong with that. He's not the QB he used to be, but he's still top 3 in the NFL. That's good.

BTW, we were in a 2-4 nickle and some 2-3 dime 50% of the game.

Was that a dumb scheme?

It ain't the X's and the O's, it's the Jim's and the Joe's.

It doesn't really matter with our current personnel and Pettine running the defense.

Regardless of how many front guys are up or down, Pettine has plenty of presnap movement and disguises in the works on passing downs; and on those downs the type of players roving presnap, regardless of who's up or down they're 3-3 personnel.

On run downs, you see Lowry, Lancaster, and Clark down, along with Z. Smith down a lot of the time. So Pettine is using a lot of different looks.

I might be home for a few days here - fell down some stairs and I'm not bouncing back very fast. Was planning a hip replacement in the spring, but might be moving that up now.

Anyway, I'll try to break down the games some if I'm bedridden for a while.

[HarveyWallbangers]

If Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, and Nick Foles are capable of going on a playoff run, I'm certainly not writing off Rodgers to do the same.

[bobblehead]

Now Now Wisty.

The glass ain't half full, it's 3/4 full and rising.
We started slow. Arod pressured the defense, had some bad breaks, and kept taking what they give him, and broke those purple bastards down.
He sees the field fine, He just doesn't see many guys breaking open. So he stays patient and goes to the guys he trusts. That works out to being Adams 90% of the time . Ain't shit wrong with that. He's not the QB he used to be, but he's still top 3 in the NFL. That's good.

BTW, we were in a 2-4 nickle and some 2-3 dime 50% of the game.

Was that a dumb scheme?

It ain't the X's and the O's, it's the Jim's and the Joe's.

But now we are doing it with 275 lb. OLB compared to 250 in the past. Big difference.

[George Cumby]

If Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, and Nick Foles are capable of going on a playoff run, I'm certainly not writing off Rodgers to do the same.

Whatshisname from Fresno State won it with the Buccaneers, or was it the Ravens?

Rodgers now is better than that dude in his prime.

[pbmax]

But now we are doing it with 275 lb. OLB compared to 250 in the past. Big difference.

Preston is on wiki as 265 and dr. Zaius as 275. If those are accurate, I’ll eat my Dunder Mifflin Christmas present beanie.

My best is Peppers/Perry are about a wash with Preston and Dr. Zaius has 10 on Clay.

[pbmax]

It doesn't really matter with our current personnel and Pettine running the defense.

Regardless of how many front guys are up or down, Pettine has plenty of presnap movement and disguises in the works on passing downs; and on those downs the type of players roving presnap, regardless of who's up or down they're 3-3 personnel.

On run downs, you see Lowry, Lancaster, and Clark down, along with Z. Smith down a lot of the time. So Pettine is using a lot of different looks.

I might be home for a few days here - fell down some stairs and I'm not bouncing back very fast. Was planning a hip replacement in the spring, but might be moving that up now.

Anyway, I'll try to break down the games some if I'm bedridden for a while.

I think the mix is close to where they were when they had both Peppers and Perry with Matthews roaming.

You see 3 lineman versus run heavy. 2-4 when it’s a favorable down for offense but the offense has an extra receiver. And 1-5 when it’s a pass down.

Fackrell, Dr Zaius and PSmith allow them to play games with who is ILB.

[Bretsky]

Great win... don't think we have anything for SF or NO - SEA has hit some white water though.

Rodgers has really fallen off though - he just doesn't see open receivers like he used to. Locks on to Adams and he ain't comin off of that read for nothing. On that Int. he had Graham breaking wide open over the middle. There was another play that was a completion to Adams for about 15 yds, but further up the field Kumerow was wide open - might have been a TD.

He just doesn't see the field very well any more.



WISTY; it's been a LONG TIME. Now that you are with us for a few days it's time for you to Acknowledge a few things. I'll start with the bads first. So tell me if it's true

1. Watching Rashan Gary play has turned Wist into a Kyle Fackrell fan. While Gary has flashed talent a handful of times in his 15 game season, as many joked about he makes others better, he just may have made Kyle Fackrell a better player..........well....for now....at least clearly better than Gary

2. Aaron Jones is our best player on offense. I listen to a lot of radio on the Packer beat guys......several opposing teams...including San Fran...note they go into each week trying to find ways to minimize Aaraon Jones. Nobody talks about stopping AROD anymore. He's dropped off some, but he's still pretty good.

3. At worst, we have 1-2 capable WR's on the roster. At best we have 3. Guter HAS to get two more receiving weapons on offense for next year.....very likely one top WR and a TE

4. Burks is the pile of crap you said he was from day one. I'm not sure who can cover an ILB on our team.

5. It's time for you to acknowledge that Black Martinez is a serviceable ILB. Dude make a lot and lot of tackles. GB needs to resign the guy. If you can put a talented ILB next to him who can cover somebody it will only make Martinez better.


WELCOME BACK WIST !!

[pbmax]

4. Burks is the pile of crap you said he was from day one. I'm not sure who can cover an ILB on our team.


Agreed, if they need coverage, its a safety. They just don't play a traditional guy at the 2nd ILB spot except Goodson on run downs or against heavy personnel.

Otherwise its a pass rusher or safety.

[pbmax]

I think the mix is close to where they were when they had both Peppers and Perry with Matthews roaming.

You see 3 lineman versus run heavy. 2-4 when it’s a favorable down for offense but the offense has an extra receiver. And 1-5 when it’s a pass down.

Fackrell, Dr Zaius and PSmith allow them to play games with who is ILB.

One thing I am not sure of is the second down lineman to match up with Clark in 2-4. It was Lowry, who started off like a house on fire but fell off with some shaky run defense.

Lancaster got the call and he fell off too. Now it seems back to Lowry, Not sure if they are this up and down or if there is another pattern.

[texaspackerbacker]

Agreed, if they need coverage, its a safety. They just don't play a traditional guy at the 2nd ILB spot except Goodson on run downs or against heavy personnel.

Otherwise its a pass rusher or safety.

Right. Goodson is crap - I doubt Burks would be worse. It seems like Fackrell has done well there at times, and no second ILB, just using a Safety in the box has generally worked well. I thought before the season Burks should be tried at OLB with his speed. I hope they still do that before giving up on him.

[Joemailman]

Right. Goodson is crap - I doubt Burks would be worse. It seems like Fackrell has done well there at times, and no second ILB, just using a Safety in the box has generally worked well. I thought before the season Burks should be tried at OLB with his speed. I hope they still do that before giving up on him.

Burks is way too small to play OLB in Pettine's defense. Look at the guys brought in this year. Z Smith, P Smith and Gary are all 270+. I think Wist was probably right. Burks just can't play.

[texaspackerbacker]

Full time, I completely agree, but when they go all in for pass rush, putting one of the Smiths inside, etc., I'm pretty sure he could be an effective speed rusher on the edge. And I wouldn't be too quick to give up on him at ILB also. There are a lot of players his size and speed doing good things on a lot of teams. He lacks polish, but maybe that can be coached up.

[HarveyWallbangers]

When one of the Smiths goes inside, we replace size with size on the outside (Gary or Fackrell). Burks is not going to play OLB in this scheme. I don't have much hope for Burks, but I have seen glimpses of coverage ability. He's just not a very good tackler.

[Zool]

Burks is getting on the field less and less. Wonder if they will have him on the playoff roster.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BurkOr00.htm

[wist43]

WISTY; it's been a LONG TIME. Now that you are with us for a few days it's time for you to Acknowledge a few things. I'll start with the bads first. So tell me if it's true

1. Watching Rashan Gary play has turned Wist into a Kyle Fackrell fan. While Gary has flashed talent a handful of times in his 15 game season, as many joked about he makes others better, he just may have made Kyle Fackrell a better player..........well....for now....at least clearly better than Gary

No, I don't agree with that... Gary certainly hasn't set the world on fire, but I see development. Fackrell's ceiling is well below Gary's.


Aaron Jones is our best player on offense. I listen to a lot of radio on the Packer beat guys......several opposing teams...including San Fran...note they go into each week trying to find ways to minimize Aaraon Jones. Nobody talks about stopping AROD anymore. He's dropped off some, but he's still pretty good.

Agree with that. Jones is our most consistent and biggest threat. The addition of Jenkins and Turner has been huge - we have a legitimate running game now.


At worst, we have 1-2 capable WR's on the roster. At best we have 3. Guter HAS to get two more receiving weapons on offense for next year.....very likely one top WR and a TE

WR has been a disappointment. Was expecting more out of MVS. I'm not down on Graham like most. He's been open a lot... the problem has been Rodgers.


Burks is the pile of crap you said he was from day one. I'm not sure who can cover an ILB on our team.

ILB and WR have to be the focus of the offseason. At least they figured Burks can't be put on the field. Goodson is limited, but has good instincts, and if his wheels will get him there, he'll make the tackle.


It's time for you to acknowledge that Black Martinez is a serviceable ILB. Dude make a lot and lot of tackles. GB needs to resign the guy. If you can put a talented ILB next to him who can cover somebody it will only make Martinez better.


My opinion of Martinez hasn't changed. He makes a lot of tackles - downfield. I still want to replace him.

[wist43]

Now Now Wisty.

The glass ain't half full, it's 3/4 full and rising.
We started slow. Arod pressured the defense, had some bad breaks, and kept taking what they give him, and broke those purple bastards down.
He sees the field fine, He just doesn't see many guys breaking open. So he stays patient and goes to the guys he trusts. That works out to being Adams 90% of the time . Ain't shit wrong with that. He's not the QB he used to be, but he's still top 3 in the NFL. That's good.

BTW, we were in a 2-4 nickle and some 2-3 dime 50% of the game.

Was that a dumb scheme?

It ain't the X's and the O's, it's the Jim's and the Joe's.

I breezed thru the game once - only saw 1 2-4 alignment. All of the others were 2-3's with either Sullivan or Cambell lined up inside.

There was also a lot more 3-3 than any other alignment. Pettine just moved guys around so much that it was difficult to see who was doing what; and, that's the point.

Depending on how you counted ZSmith as he was standing up or had his hand on the ground, they were in a 4-2 a lot. In base, they were in a standard 3-4 with Goodson in there.

Agree on the "Jim's and Joe's"... we got the guys I wanted in the offseason, and Pettine's alignments threaten gaps and show deception unlike Capers. Capers just lined up static down after down - it was easy to block.

[pbmax]

Turner is not impressing me. He is just past stop gap on my reading.

I don't think he is a guard. His best block is the double team then going after the 2nd level. There are so many blown blocks on the right side. Its happened for years, so it can't just be Turner, but he isn't the solution either.

[pbmax]

Field Yates @FieldYates

The Packers converted $14.26M of Aaron Rodgers’ 2020 $19.5M roster bonus into a signing bonus, which allows that money to prorate over five seasons, including 2019.
The Lions did the same with Matthew Stafford’s 2020 $6M roster bonus.
GB creates 11.4M in 2020 cap, DET $4.8M.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
The #Packers were $8.9M under the cap and this will put them at just about $12M under in 2019. The deadline for applying money to the 2019 cap on an extension is Saturday at 3 p.m. This could be for a pending deal or it could be to cover some other costs they are anticipating.

[pbmax]

Jim Owczarski @JimOwczarski
Jersey swap Friday again for #Packers LBs & DL, and they’re all accounted for going into the final week of the regular season.
But, working off to the side today:
• Jamaal Williams (shoulder)
• Will Redmond (hamstring)
• Danny Vitale (knee)
• Jake Kumerow is not present.

[pbmax]

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Seahawks’ LB Brian Bosworth will raise the 12 Flag prior to Seattle’s game vs. the San Francisco 49ers on Sunday night.

So much for the #1 seed. Bo Jackson should truck him while he is doing it.

[George Cumby]

The 30 on 30 about Bosworth is worth a watch.

As is the replay on that ass whupping.

[pbmax]

Eli Berkovits @BookOfEli_NFL
Something becoming very clear for the #Packers: Allen Lazard HAS 12s trust.

Rodgers has a 114.6 QB rating when targeting Lazard this year.

But the thing that struck me most was his play on 3rd downs. Rodgers is 11/16 with 140 yards and a TD when targeting Lazard on 3rd downs.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Turner is not impressing me. He is just past stop gap on my reading.

I don't think he is a guard. His best block is the double team then going after the 2nd level. There are so many blown blocks on the right side. Its happened for years, so it can't just be Turner, but he isn't the solution either.

I think Turner has been solid. I don't necessarily trust PFF, but he's been rated as a slightly above average starter at OG by them. I think that's fair. He's not Jenkins, but he's not a turnstile and he doesn't have an obvious weakness (e.g. he's not great run blocking and terrible pass blocking). He's about average for both.

[pbmax]

I think Turner has been solid. I don't necessarily trust PFF, but he's been rated as a slightly above average starter at OG by them. I think that's fair. He's not Jenkins, but he's not a turnstile and he doesn't have an obvious weakness (e.g. he's not great run blocking and terrible pass blocking). He's about average for both.

He's been in the middle of a LOT of missed blocks. But that has plagued the right side before, so I can't say its him.

He has too much marshmallow in him, he stops his blocks at least one beat too early.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think that is the negative on him. His run blocking and pass blocking have been decent, but he tends to stand around near the end of plays. Wish he had a bit more mauler in him.

[run pMc]

I think Turner is just ok - has some really good plays and then some rookie-bad plays. Doesn't play to the echo of the whistle and I wish he did. Not sure what the average salary is for a slightly-above to average starting RG, but I felt the contract was a little rich and risky. I assumed they priced in some flexibility to replace Bulaga and maybe that's still in their plans.

Given the offense they want to run I suppose they couldn't resign the host of Jahri Evans at a bit above the vet minimum.

[Zool]

He's been in the middle of a LOT of missed blocks. But that has plagued the right side before, so I can't say its him.

He has too much marshmallow in him, he stops his blocks at least one beat too early.

He’s been involved in most of the miscommunications that I’ve seen. Might just be confirmation bias though. He’s the guy standing in his spot blocking no one while Rodgers gets smoked.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I wonder where PFF has Linsley. I feel like Turner has been as good as Linsley. We've had good OL this year. Solid run blocker. Rodgers still holds onto the ball too much--which makes them look bad. OL has to be in the top 10 this year.

[texaspackerbacker]

It seems like most of our good running plays have been over Jenkins and Linsley, not so much Turner and not often off tackle.

Does Aaron Rodgers hold onto the ball too long? I have heard that bogus line for a long time. No! A LOT of it is having to move to escape the rush - even this season when it hasn't been quite as bad. The rest is using good sense, taking care to not throw it into coverage, as so so many QBs do. I don't want that! Anybody who does want Rodgers to hurry and throw it into coverage is a damn fool. He is the GOAT for a lot of reasons, but primarily having the accuracy and GOOD SENSE not to throw interceptions. If our O Line is in the top 10 for pass blocking, it's mainly because of Rodgers' mobility. I will say, they appeared to me the previous few years to be near the bottom in quality. This year I would call them middle of the pack - the arrival of Jenkins and the mostly healthy status of Bulaga.

[Patler]

Does Aaron Rodgers hold onto the ball too long? I have heard that bogus line for a long time. No! A LOT of it is having to move to escape the rush - even this season when it hasn't been quite as bad. The rest is using good sense, taking care to not throw it into coverage, as so so many QBs do. I don't want that! Anybody who does want Rodgers to hurry and throw it into coverage is a damn fool. He is the GOAT for a lot of reasons, but primarily having the accuracy and GOOD SENSE not to throw interceptions. If our O Line is in the top 10 for pass blocking, it's mainly because of Rodgers' mobility. I will say, they appeared to me the previous few years to be near the bottom in quality. This year I would call them middle of the pack - the arrival of Jenkins and the mostly healthy status of Bulaga.

...and yet, the people and organizations who provide statistical analyses for a living, have said Rodgers is the least pressured QB in the league. If a qb is forced to move to avoid the rush, that is considered a pressure. Therefore, your argument makes no sense.

Nobody wants Rodgers to make as many ill-advised throws as Favre did during much of his career. But taking short opportunities that are there, instead of so often waiting for the longer opportunities to open up would be nice.

[th87]

...and yet, the people and organizations who provide statistical analyses for a living, have said Rodgers is the least pressured QB in the league. If a qb is forced to move to avoid the rush, that is considered a pressure. Therefore, your argument makes no sense.

Nobody wants Rodgers to make as many ill-advised throws as Favre did during much of his career. But taking short opportunities that are there, instead of so often waiting for the longer opportunities to open up would be nice.

Facts don't matter here or elsewhere for our old friend.

[ThunderDan]

...and yet, the people and organizations who provide statistical analyses for a living, have said Rodgers is the least pressured QB in the league. If a qb is forced to move to avoid the rush, that is considered a pressure. Therefore, your argument makes no sense.

Nobody wants Rodgers to make as many ill-advised throws as Favre did during much of his career. But taking short opportunities that are there, instead of so often waiting for the longer opportunities to open up would be nice.

How about throw the ball out of bounds? Last game he had a play with about 5 seconds in the pocket and another 3 or 4 when he rolled out. No one was open. He took an unnecessary hit when the lineman final caught him. It reminded me of the Barr hit in that if ARod had dumped it .5 seconds earlier he isn’t getting hit on either play.

[texaspackerbacker]

Even at 12-3, the usual ingrates and idiots still whine about Aaron Rodgers hahahaha.

Every time I see a game, pro or college, where the QB basically loses it or comes close throwing a stupid interception - doing exactly what ya'all wish for from Rodgers, I'm damn thankful we have him. He got complacent and actually threw a stupid one last game - after however many games without. That's four all season, and a couple of those, I think, were tipped by receivers. Did any of ya'all whiners actually watch the play referred to - where it looked like the guy was blocked but he slipped off and got him? - shit happens, even to Rodgers.

It's true the line play hasn't been quite as bad this year, and it's also true we could use another good WR and probably a better TE, but that supposed stat by some puke who gets paid for that is a glowing example of lying with statistics.

[pbmax]

Even at 12-3, the usual ingrates and idiots still whine about Aaron Rodgers hahahaha.

Every time I see a game, pro or college, where the QB basically loses it or comes close throwing a stupid interception - doing exactly what ya'all wish for from Rodgers, I'm damn thankful we have him. He got complacent and actually threw a stupid one last game - after however many games without. That's four all season, and a couple of those, I think, were tipped by receivers. Did any of ya'all whiners actually watch the play referred to - where it looked like the guy was blocked but he slipped off and got him? - shit happens, even to Rodgers.

It's true the line play hasn't been quite as bad this year, and it's also true we could use another good WR and probably a better TE, but that supposed stat by some puke who gets paid for that is a glowing example of lying with statistics.

Complacency is the forerunner of mediocrity. You can never work too hard on attitudes, effort and technique.

~ Don Meyer

If you can do something and not blow your own horn, it sure sounds a lot better.

~ Don Meyer, noted a cappella enthusiast