Official On To The Bye Week Thread

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If Taysom Hill comes to Lambeau for a game, I might have to move from the man cave to an actual cave.

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[Bretsky]

If Taysom Hill comes to Lambeau for a game, I might have to move from the man cave to an actual cave.


Hmm; who has made more plays this year ..............Taysom Hill or Jimmy Graham ???????

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Hmm; who has made more plays this year ..............Taysom Hill or Jimmy Graham ???????

So not only can Taysom be the #2 QB, he's also a TE?

Amazing.

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[MadtownPacker]

And he did it all as a White Slash!!

[Bretsky]

So not only can Taysom be the #2 QB, he's also a TE?

Amazing.

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All World

Jim Thorpe/Bo Jackson :))

[call_me_ishmael]

The bye week is great. Hopefully Preston Smith takes the week off and gets 12 hours of sleep each night. We're gonna need him to get his legs back.

[wist43]

Hmm; who has made more plays this year ..............Taysom Hill or Jimmy Graham ???????

Again on Graham... I don't think you can lay the blame on him. He's open quite a bit - when we get the endzone or full 22 view, you can see it.

The problem is Rodgers.

Should have had a TD against Detroit; instead, Rodgers threw late into a Hornets nest of defenders. On the pick Rodgers threw, Graham was wide open up the seam for a big gain, and Rodgers was initially looking that way, but spit on that in favor of a late throw that resulted in the pick.

I haven't watched every game this year, but when I have specifically looked at Graham - the problem is always Rodgers.

[Zool]

I haven't watched every game this year, but when I have specifically looked at Graham - the problem is always Rodgers.

Like the first play of the game against the Loins? Rodgers threw to Rodgers who dropped a 20+ yard pass? They are both to blame. The next tackle Graham breaks this year will be his first. He is done.

[ThunderDan]

Like the first play of the game against the Loins? Rodgers threw to Rodgers who dropped a 20+ yard pass? They are both to blame. The next tackle Graham breaks this year will be his first. He is done.

And the perfect block the Kumerow made and instead of cutting behind the block and getting 5 more yards Graham still ran out of bounds.

Graham obviously doesn't want to get hit any more. He runs to the sidelines quicker than any TE I have ever seen.

[RashanGary]

Good time for the defense to get a bye.

Season flow for defense:

10 healthy weeks with a bunch of young guys and new guys making mistakes

Bye week

6 healthy weeks against so/so opponents to clean up some rough spots and apply emphasis

Bye week

Another chance to take a breath, self scout, look at what went right after the first bye, continue to grow as a group and Apply another level of emphasis for the guys who can handle more.

Plus get bodies fresh


I could see the defense being at it's best coming up.

[RashanGary]

It's been an ideal healthy year for the young defense to come together. Bye weeks at perfect times to clean things up and reset. Just perfect growth year

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PFF @PFF
List of players to register 90+ pressures in 2019:

Za'Darius Smith

[Fritz]

Like the first play of the game against the Loins? Rodgers threw to Rodgers who dropped a 20+ yard pass? They are both to blame. The next tackle Graham breaks this year will be his first. He is done.



I agree with both you and Wist. I think Graham is toast - he thinks the sideline is his new best friend. But Rodgers also missed on a throw to him.

The tight end position needs to be re-worked next year.

[texaspackerbacker]

As I've said more than a few times, I want Lazard to be the primary TE next season. Prediction? No. I give it a maybe at best.

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NFL team-by-team winning % this decade (1-16):
1. NE: .781
2. GB: .644
3. PIT: .641
4. SEA: .628
5. NO: .625
6. BAL: .613
7. KC: .600
T-8. ATL: .556
T-8. DEN: .556
10. PHI: .544
11. DAL: .537
T-12. HOU: .512
T-12. IND: .512
T-12. MIN 512
15. SF: .503
16. CAR: .491
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Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky
The Packers worked out four players today:

WR Reggie Begelton (CFL).
QB Nick Fitzgerald (Mississippi State).
CB Derrek Thomas (Baylor).
S Austin Exford (Appalachian State).

Note: Begelton caught 102 passes for 1,444 yards with 10 TDs for the Calgary... https://es.pn/2MIpP6M


Derrek Thomas is 6' 3" former WR.

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PFF @PFF
List of players to register 90+ pressures in 2019:

Za'Darius Smith

I like lists that start and end before I lose focus.

[bobblehead]

I agree with both you and Wist. I think Graham is toast - he thinks the sideline is his new best friend. But Rodgers also missed on a throw to him.

The tight end position needs to be re-worked next year.

This is pretty accurate. I think Graham is washed up, and Rodgers doesn't like throwing to the TE so much and when Graham gives him reason to not trust him it exasperates the problem.

I think Rodgers isn't himself anymore, and I would ask him to restructure and take a pay cut so we could bring more around him. Even give him modest say in what we do with the money he "gives back". If he isn't willing to do that, maybe its time to see what the market will bear for him. Bring in a game manager while we mold the next GOAT.

[bobblehead]

As I've said more than a few times, I want Lazard to be the primary TE next season. Prediction? No. I give it a maybe at best.

15-20 pounds of muscle isn't impossible in one offseason. They floated the idea before. But can he put on that weight AND learn the position in one offseason?

[George Cumby]

Graham was washed up before they signed him.

Lazard is where he needs to be. He's gonna' break out next year.

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Matt Schneidman @mattschneidman
#Packers S Raven Greene (24) has been designated to return off IR. He’s wearing a helmet & practicing for the first time since his Week 2 ankle injury.

RB Jamaal Williams also back at practice.

Not practicing: Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Linsley, Turner, Graham, P. Smith, Vitale, Lewis

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Wes Hodkiewicz @WesHod

History of the #Packers' designated to return from IR option:

2012: Cedric Benson.
2013: Randall Cobb.
2014: JC Tretter.
2015: Andrew Quarless.
2016: Makinton Dorleant.
2017: Aaron Rodgers and Jason Spriggs.
2018: Jake Kumerow.
2019: Jace Sternberger and Raven Greene.

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Matt Schneidman @mattschneidman
#Packers S Raven Greene (24) has been designated to return off IR. He’s wearing a helmet & practicing for the first time since his Week 2 ankle injury.

RB Jamaal Williams also back at practice.

Not practicing: Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Linsley, Turner, Graham, P. Smith, Vitale, Lewis


Jim Owczarski @JimOwczarski

#Packers get back to practice today.
Off to the side:
• RT Bryan Bulaga (concussion)
• RG Billy Turner (ankle)
• FB Danny Vitale (knee)
• C Corey Linsley (back)
• TE Jimmy Graham
• OLB Preston Smith
I did not see:
• LT David Bakhtiari
• TE Marcedes Lewis

[Fosco33]

How much space did we free up by tweaking Arod’s contract? How much if we cut Graham after the season?

Which WR/TE/MLB/OL FAs would fit our schemes?

[Fosco33]

Matt Schneidman @mattschneidman
#Packers S Raven Greene (24) has been designated to return off IR. He’s wearing a helmet & practicing for the first time since his Week 2 ankle injury.

RB Jamaal Williams also back at practice.

Not practicing: Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Linsley, Turner, Graham, P. Smith, Vitale, Lewis

Does he take the spot of the Tony Brown?

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Does he take the spot of the Tony Brown?

That would seem to be the order of operation unless they are holding other announcements.

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27584726/nfl-pass-blocking-pass-rushing-rankings-2019-pbwr-prwr-leaderboard

Top 10 DE/OLB Pass Rush Win Rate

1. Robert Quinn, Cowboys, 33%
2. T.J. Watt, Steelers, 28%
3. DeMarcus Lawrence, Cowboys, 27%
4. Myles Garrett, Browns, 26%
5. Shaquil Barrett, Buccaneers, 25%
6. Joey Bosa, Chargers, 25%
7. Jadeveon Clowney, Seahawks, 25%
8. Za'Darius Smith, Packers, 23%
9. Dante Fowler, Rams, 23%
10. Preston Smith, Packers, 23%

Top 10 DT Pass Rush Win Rate

1. Aaron Donald, Rams, 25%
2. Grady Jarrett, Falcons, 22%
3. Chris Jones, Chiefs, 19%
4. Maliek Collins, Cowboys, 16%
5. Quinton Jefferson, Seahawks, 16%
6. Calais Campbell, Jaguars, 15%
7. Ed Oliver, Bills, 15%
8. Denico Autry, Colts, 14%
9. Matt Ioannidis, Redskins, 13%
10. Vita Vea, Buccaneers, 13%


Top 10 OT Pass Block Win Rate

1. David Bakhtiari, Packers, 96%
2. Andrew Whitworth, Rams, 94%
3. Kelvin Beachum, Jets, 94%
4. Ronnie Stanley, Ravens, 94%
5. Mike McGlinchey, 49ers, 93%
6. Orlando Brown Jr., Ravens, 93%
7. Alejandro Villanueva, Steelers, 93%
8. Jack Conklin, Titans, 93%
9. Trent Brown, Raiders, 92%
10. Taylor Lewan, Titans, 92%

Top 10 OG Pass Block Win Rate

1. Marshal Yanda, Ravens, 98%
2. Joe Thuney, Patriots, 97%
3. Richie Incognito, Raiders, 96%
4. Joel Bitonio, Browns, 96%
5. Zack Martin, Cowboys, 96%
6. Joe Dahl, Lions, 96%
7. Quenton Nelson, Colts, 95%
8. Elgton Jenkins, Packers, 95%
9. Wyatt Teller, Browns, 95%
10. Ali Marpet, Buccaneers, 95%

Top 10 C Pass Block Win Rate

1. Corey Linsley, Packers, 99%
2. JC Tretter, Browns, 98%
3. Rodney Hudson, Raiders, 97%
4. Brandon Linder, Jaguars, 96%
5. A.Q. Shipley, Cardinals, 96%
6. Chase Roullier, Redskins, 95%
7. Nick Martin, Texans, 95%
8. Cody Whitehair, Bears, 95%
9. Ryan Jensen, Buccaneers, 94%
10. Ryan Kelly, Colts, 94%

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Same article:

Team Pass Rush Win Rate

1. Dallas Cowboys, 53%
2. Atlanta Falcons, 53%
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 51%
4. Philadelphia Eagles, 50%
5. Los Angeles Rams, 50%
6. Pittsburgh Steelers, 50%
7. Jacksonville Jaguars, 48%
8. Buffalo Bills, 47%
9. Green Bay Packers, 47%
10. Arizona Cardinals, 46%
11. Los Angeles Chargers, 45%
12. New York Jets, 45%
13. San Francisco 49ers, 45%
14. Baltimore Ravens, 45%
15. Indianapolis Colts, 43%
16. Seattle Seahawks, 43%
17. New York Giants, 41%
18. Cleveland Browns, 41%
19. Kansas City Chiefs, 41%
20. Tennessee Titans, 41%
21. Carolina Panthers, 40%
22. Chicago Bears, 40%
22. New England Patriots, 40%
24. New Orleans Saints, 38%
25. Washington Redskins, 37%
26. Minnesota Vikings, 37%
27. Cincinnati Bengals, 35%
28. Houston Texans, 35%
29. Oakland Raiders, 34%
30. Denver Broncos, 33%
31. Miami Dolphins, 28%
32. Detroit Lions, 24%


Team Pass Block Win Rate


1. Green Bay Packers, 72%
2. Baltimore Ravens, 69%
3. Indianapolis Colts, 65%
4. Tennessee Titans, 63%
5. Oakland Raiders, 63%
6. Cleveland Browns, 63%
7. Pittsburgh Steelers, 62%
8. Houston Texans, 62%
9. Buffalo Bills, 62%
10. Arizona Cardinals, 62%
11. Dallas Cowboys, 61%
12. New York Giants, 61%
13. Chicago Bears, 61%
14. Kansas City Chiefs, 60%
15. Detroit Lions, 59%
16. New York Jets, 59%
17. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 58%
18. New England Patriots, 58%
19. Philadelphia Eagles, 58%
20. Los Angeles Chargers, 58%
21. Washington Redskins, 58%
22. Los Angeles Rams, 57%
23. Minnesota Vikings, 57%
24. Jacksonville Jaguars, 56%
25. New Orleans Saints, 56%
26. San Francisco 49ers, 55%
27. Denver Broncos, 55%
28. Seattle Seahawks, 54%
29. Atlanta Falcons, 50%
30. Carolina Panthers, 50%
31. Cincinnati Bengals, 47%
32. Miami Dolphins, 41%

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Hmmmm. Not sure this matches everything we have seen, but it sure does describe the way the offense can look downright bad in shotgun with Williams as the protector back.

Look for Team #5 for the rest of the breakdown: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28403463/barnwell-guide-2019-nfl-playoffs-how-all-12-teams-win-super-bowl


How they're better than you think: One trend that has stuck for the Packers throughout the season: They're a fundamentally different offense with Aaron Jones on the field. I referred to Green Bay's on/off splits on offense with Jones on the field earlier this year, so let's get an update.

The Packers have run 603 offensive snaps with him on the field. Those snaps have added 90.4 expected points to Green Bay's offensive output, or 0.15 expected points per play. Only two offenses in football generated more than 0.15 EPA per play this season -- the Ravens and Chiefs. With Jones on the field, the Packers are the third-most dominant offense in football.

Without Jones, they aren't the same. When Jamaal Williams has replaced Jones in the lineup, the Packers have generated minus-24.33 EPA across 337 snaps, or minus-0.07 EPA per play. The Williams version of the Green Bay offense ranks 29th in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers' QBR drops from 67.7 with Jones on the field to 28.7 with Williams in the lineup instead.


Need to think about this more. Williams is generally on the field for must pass downs. That might be the cause of his numerical disappointment.

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Matt Schneidman @mattschneidman
#Packers S Raven Greene (24) has been designated to return off IR. He’s wearing a helmet & practicing for the first time since his Week 2 ankle injury.

RB Jamaal Williams also back at practice.

Not practicing: Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Linsley, Turner, Graham, P. Smith, Vitale, Lewis

I wish we could have gotten Greene back a couple weeks ago to get him back in the flow. I said at the time that his loss actually hurt and even floated trying to bring back the unemployed Josh Jones to fill that spot.

[bobblehead]

Hmmmm. Not sure this matches everything we have seen, but it sure does describe the way the offense can look downright bad in shotgun with Williams as the protector back.

Look for Team #5 for the rest of the breakdown: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28403463/barnwell-guide-2019-nfl-playoffs-how-all-12-teams-win-super-bowl




Need to think about this more. Williams is generally on the field for must pass downs. That might be the cause of his numerical disappointment.

Agree that these numbers don't tell the entire story, but I think we all agree via the eye test that this O is much better with Jones on the field.

[texaspackerbacker]

From what I've seen of the Packers and the Cowboys, those numbers above seem to be misleading. I just don't see Packer pass protection anywhere near that good, and if the Cowboys were that good at pressuring QBs, they wouldn't be sitting home this weekend.

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I wish we could have gotten Greene back a couple weeks ago to get him back in the flow. I said at the time that his loss actually hurt and even floated trying to bring back the unemployed Josh Jones to fill that spot.

Took them a while to figure out what to do. And given the offenses of the end of the season were not much, I am not sure they actually have figured out how to replace him.

2 weeks of practice could help accelerate it though. Then one week of prep, then two weeks of prep. :shock:

[pbmax]

Agree that these numbers don't tell the entire story, but I think we all agree via the eye test that this O is much better with Jones on the field.

I think it comes down to being less likely to be in third and long with Jones on the first two downs.

But I understand the fear. Did not like seeing Rodgers batted around as people bounced off Jones when he pass blocked.

[pbmax]

From what I've seen of the Packers and the Cowboys, those numbers above seem to be misleading. I just don't see Packer pass protection anywhere near that good, and if the Cowboys were that good at pressuring QBs, they wouldn't be sitting home this weekend.

Remember Rodgers extends the pass blocking tim frame past 2.5 quite often.

Cowboys, according to footballoutsiders.com, are 23rd in pass D and 10th in run D. Which would suggest their backend is terrible.

[Bretsky]

Agree that these numbers don't tell the entire story, but I think we all agree via the eye test that this O is much better with Jones on the field.


It's stupid to not have Jones on the filed; he's our top playmaker.

You might use Williams as a better stay in blocker on certain plays.

Otherwise Jones needs to be on the field

[texaspackerbacker]

Remember Rodgers extends the pass blocking tim frame past 2.5 quite often.

That mobility preventing a lot of sacks and near misses would seem to be the source of the misleading stat.

Regarding Bretsky's post, Williams is a very decent runner too, and possibly a better pass receiver. Nowadays, you pretty much need a rotation. I'd like to see Dexter Williams get some snaps too going forward.

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That mobility preventing a lot of sacks and near misses would seem to be the source of the misleading stat.

Regarding Bretsky's post, Williams is a very decent runner too, and possibly a better pass receiver. Nowadays, you pretty much need a rotation. I'd like to see Dexter Williams get some snaps too going forward.

Just look at all of their plays. Jones breaks bigger plays both passing and running.

They aren't measuring Rodgers at all. Its not a sack or pressure count. They are counting wind and losses within 2.5 seconds. If a rusher breaks at Rodgers prior to that, its a loss for the lineman, no matter what Rodgers accomplishes.

[texaspackerbacker]

I suspect he escapes well before 2.5 seconds most of the time - making it a statistical win.

Nothing whatsoever against Aaron Jones. He has been outstanding. I'm just saying, a rotation with a solid back up or two is important too. And we do have that.

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I suspect he escapes well before 2.5 seconds most of the time - making it a statistical win.

Nothing whatsoever against Aaron Jones. He has been outstanding. I'm just saying, a rotation with a solid back up or two is important too. And we do have that.

C'mon tex. That isn't how he operates and you know it. He waits until the last possible moment unless there is a free rusher.

[Bretsky]

That mobility preventing a lot of sacks and near misses would seem to be the source of the misleading stat.

Regarding Bretsky's post, Williams is a very decent runner too, and possibly a better pass receiver. Nowadays, you pretty much need a rotation. I'd like to see Dexter Williams get some snaps too going forward.



Williams is a good blocker; I'd take him any day against a blitz when the RB is staying in to block.

Otherwise, he has not place being out there. He can run a bland pattern and catch the ball. He'll fall forward when he's tackled.

But Aaron Jones is our playmaker. He can break any given play to the house, and he can beat a LB deep on a consistent basis. Huge difference in playmakers.

Teams are scheming to stop Aaron Jones.....not Aaron Rodgers....they are prioritizing to stop Aaron Jones.

They aren't spending any more time scheming to stop Willams then they are for stopping Whitewater Jesus

[texaspackerbacker]

You'll wear out our playmaker if you ram him into the line every down. Yeah, Jones is a lot better runner than Williams, either of them. Hell, he's now a better runner than 25 or 30 other teams have running the ball, but you need a rotation. Jamal Williams ain't bad either. In addition to his blocking - which ain't nothing, you seem to forget several fairly long runs he has had in addition to a lot of tough 3 to 8 yard gains.

[pbmax]

Williams is a good blocker; I'd take him any day against a blitz when the RB is staying in to block.

Otherwise, he has not place being out there. He can run a bland pattern and catch the ball. He'll fall forward when he's tackled.

But Aaron Jones is our playmaker. He can break any given play to the house, and he can beat a LB deep on a consistent basis. Huge difference in playmakers.

Teams are scheming to stop Aaron Jones.....not Aaron Rodgers....they are prioritizing to stop Aaron Jones.

They aren't spending any more time scheming to stop Willams then they are for stopping Whitewater Jesus

I went and looked at their individual plays this year. Jones and Williams were close to even on yards per carry. Jones had a big lead in yards per catch.

Williams got slightly higher numbers for percentage of touches that resulted in first downs, which I assume is short yardage rather than big runs.

I did some quick math and out of 305 touches, Jones hit 10+ yards 20 times. on 157 touches, Williams got that kinda of yardage 10 times. So Jones barely ahead in that department.

So just by counting, Jones seems to get you some bigger yardage in the pass game.

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You'll wear out our playmaker if you ram him into the line every down. Yeah, Jones is a lot better runner than Williams, either of them. Hell, he's now a better runner than 25 or 30 other teams have running the ball, but you need a rotation. Jamal Williams ain't bad either. In addition to his blocking - which ain't nothing, you seem to forget several fairly long runs he has had in addition to a lot of tough 3 to 8 yard gains.

I agree and he has been injured.

Given the number I just looked up, it would seem to behoove the offense to throw to him more, use him less as a blocker and give Williams a few of his runs.

Ideally, you might pull off a TE and put them both in the backfield.

[bobblehead]

It's stupid to not have Jones on the filed; he's our top playmaker.

You might use Williams as a better stay in blocker on certain plays.

Otherwise Jones needs to be on the field

I think in the playoffs now you will see the split go to about 80/20.

[texaspackerbacker]

It works pretty well with both of them on the field too.

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Mike Spofford @mikespofford
One player returned to #Packers practice Fri. who missed Thurs.: TE Jimmy Graham. Still out: FB Danny Vitale (knee), C Corey Linsley (back), RT Bryan Bulaga (concussion), RG Billy Turner (ankle), LB Preston Smith (unspec.), LT David Bakhtiari & TE Marcedes Lewis (both illness)

[gbgary]

All World

Jim Thorpe/Bo Jackson :))

thompson's biggest mistake.