Official CBA Thread

[Joemailman]

Owners vote to accept terms of new CBA.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28744880/nfl-owners-vote-accept-negotiated-terms-proposed-new-cba

If 2/3 on player reps approve the deal, it would then need a simple majority from a vote of all the players to pass.


Sources previously told ESPN that the proposed CBA would allow the league to expand the regular season from 16 games to 17 at some point in the next four years (although no sooner than 2021) in exchange for financial and other concessions the players have sought in negotiations. One concession is that the preseason will be shortened, sources said.

In addition, sources said that starting in 2020, the playoff field would be expanded to seven teams from each conference, and only one team from each conference would receive a first-round bye as opposed to the two that currently do.

[pbmax]

Not in favor of seven team playoff.

Hope teams get two byes.

[run pMc]

16 real games and 6 playoff teams is fine IMO.

[mraynrand]

Not in favor of seven team playoff.

Hope teams get two byes.

+1

Expand the regular season by one week, but still with 16 games. 17 games. what a cluster. unequal home and away is stupid. (Maybe everyone has to play one game abroad?). Yuk. Still, anything to reduce the preseason - hopefully to 2 games.

[Joemailman]

+1

Expand the regular season by one week, but still with 16 games. 17 games. what a cluster. unequal home and away is stupid. (Maybe everyone has to play one game abroad?). Yuk. Still, anything to reduce the preseason - hopefully to 2 games.

Pretty sure the extra game will be on a neutral field. Not necessarily abroad, although I'm sure those would increase. I think you'll see NFL games in major college stadiums in areas where NFL doesn't play. Alabama, Oklahoma, Nebraska etc.

[Bretsky]

No way the players accept this

[Joemailman]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001102684/article/nflpa-board-no-longer-holding-cba-vote-today


Earlier on Friday, the NFLPA executive committee voted, 6-5, not to recommend the current CBA proposal, per Pelissero. As that was a recommendation, the matter then went to the 32-player board of representatives. Talks continued thereafter through Friday for roughly three hours before the news broke that a vote would no longer take place.

"Today, the NFLPA Board of Player Representatives did not take a vote on the principal terms of a proposed new collective bargaining agreement," the NFLPA said in a statement Friday. "Our player leadership looks forward to meeting with NFL management again next week before the board takes a vote shortly after."


Described by Pelissero as a heated and emotional Friday conference call, it began with the executive committee voting not to recommend the proposed CBA. The board continued to discuss it before agreeing not to vote on Friday. The next step is going to be what the NFLPA leadership hopes will be a meeting with the NFL Management Council, which negotiates on the league side, at the combine. After that, the board intends to carry out its vote.

Pelissero also noted the vote of the rank-and-file players in its entirety was prognosticated to be a yes, but there is now a delay as the players union looks to see if there is any wiggle room on the league side.

[call_me_ishmael]

No way the players accept this

Ultimately depends what percentage of players make more than 4M per year (250K per game * 16 games).

If I were the players, I would lock out the owners and wait them out. Not getting 50% of revenue is insane in such a violent sport.

In the end, I view 18 games and 2 in-season byes to be inevitable.

I can see where having only one bye in the playoffs increases competition. Maybe it makes the product better. I think maybe it's worth a shot.

[Rastak]

I don't know, seems like a fair deal but if the players want more I can see the NFL taking the approach that Frank Zappa once articulated......

"Keep it greasy so it'll go down easy" because if I were them I'd fuck 'em hard. TV deals will be worse and if I own the team I'm thinking, "You dumb fucks are paying for this, not me".

[pbmax]

I don't know, seems like a fair deal but if the players want more I can see the NFL taking the approach that Frank Zappa once articulated......

"Keep it greasy so it'll go down easy" because if I were them I'd fuck 'em hard. TV deals will be worse and if I own the team I'm thinking, "You dumb fucks are paying for this, not me".

Everyone keeps saying the TV deals will get worse and they never do. At some point, the whole thing will collapse, but this prediction has been wrong in an unbroken streak since 1980. The talk this time is that Monday Night Football is gong back to broadcast TV.

The players have had no media presence on this deal's particulars, all the info is from the owners side. So I am sure there are a few more shite sandwiches in there beside the capped 17th game for players with larger contracts.

[pbmax]

No way the players accept this

The vets who oppose it already voted it down (as Joe posted 6-5 NFLPA exec committee) and the team reps as a whole are not voting. Those are all older players with likelier more lucrative deals.

But the negotiators agreed to it for a reason. So one of two things will happen:

1. The largely younger and less affluent players will vote yes to a 15-20% raise en masse and the vets get their protest vote.

2. Gets narrowly rejected and sent back to bargaining to increase the percentage of revenues up from 48 or 48.5% (the 17 game amount).

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I'm as pro-union as the Soviet Union, but the elitists within the NFLPA needs to quit crying about the extra game. It's not like the players are being forced to work 80 hours a week for the federal minimum-wage.

Currently, NFL players work just 3 hours a week, and half of that time, the starters are taking breaks and drinking Gatorade on the bench (backups rarely play). They do all that while getting paid boatloads of frogskins, and enjoying the best healthcare this mercantile world has to offer at no costs.

Fuck 17 games. Go for 20... so long as the players get a larger portion of the pie, of course.

[pbmax]

I'm as pro-union as the Soviet Union, but the elitists within the NFLPA needs to quit crying about the extra game. It's not like the players are being forced to work 80 hours a week for the federal minimum-wage.

Currently, NFL players work just 3 hours a week, and half of that time, the starters are taking breaks and drinking Gatorade on the bench (backups rarely play). They do all that while getting paid boatloads of frogskins, and enjoying the best healthcare this mercantile world has to offer at no costs.

Fuck 17 games. Go for 20... so long as the players get a larger portion of the pie, of course.

Not only was the Soviet Union not pro-Union at all, but you are clearly one of those in favor of unions unless it means someone else gets paid.

So please get lost.

[Joemailman]

Rodgers voted no, but it passed 17-14-1 in player rep vote.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERvHXRgXsAUMH2Y?format=jpg&name=360x360

[Rastak]

Rodgers voted no, but it passed 17-14-1 in player rep vote.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERvHXRgXsAUMH2Y?format=jpg&name=360x360


Rodgers and Russ Wilson are completely out of touch with the rank and file. The majority of guys will be way better off and the rules regarding weed which is a big deal to some players have been relaxed.

Seemed like a fair give and take to me. Sometimes the players act like they own the teams. They are unionized employees in a very dangerous job. They are also very well paid. They keep saying they want lifetime healthcare. I'd love that but who in real life gets it?
I'm sure it could be done. The cost comes off the salary cap or something as a proposal. Benefits are looked upon by management like any other cost. You ask for something that has an insane cost you better expect a significant cost to obtain it.

Lastly, biggest complainers never play in the preseason and are worried about one more game. Would be amusing if the union shot this down and the NFL mandated teams play starters for all preseason games...enjoy the 20 game season.

I've done quite a bit of baseball research the last year and those players got fucked in the behind for 100 years. I get the players ain't cattle, but I heard somewhere 48.5% of the take would be tops in sports.

[Bretsky]

Sounds like minimum wage bumps from around 600000 to 1,000,000

That is appealing to the majority

[Rastak]

Sounds like minimum wage bumps from around 600000 to 1,000,000

That is appealing to the majority

It's over several years but yea, the minimum guys got a big carrot, which is cool. They take the same beating, right?

[QBME]

It's over several years but yea, the minimum guys got a big carrot, which is cool. They take the same beating, right?

No, they most assuredly do not. Minimum $ guys play 3 - 4 snaps per game, and therein lies the crux of the problem.

The average career for an NFL player is around 3.5 years, which covers about 75% of the rosters. Of course the majority of players will elect to get the most they can as soon as they can. Of course the minority (big contract, long term) wants to nix the deal as they make the lions share of the "split" and want to suckle the teat as long as possible.

The players have the product and the power, but the owners have time.

[Rastak]

No, they most assuredly do not. Minimum $ guys play 3 - 4 snaps per game, and therein lies the crux of the problem.

The average career for an NFL player is around 3.5 years, which covers about 75% of the rosters. Of course the majority of players will elect to get the most they can as soon as they can. Of course the minority (big contract, long term) wants to nix the deal as they make the lions share of the "split" and want to suckle the teat as long as possible.

The players have the product and the power, but the owners have time.


The fuck the players do have that much power. I agree on the fact the big guys want to get the milk long and often.

That said, I've yet to find one guy who said they stopped watching sports because the players on the team they liked retired. The masses watch the uniform, myself included. When the Purple People Eaters of the 70's became extinct I didn't say "Oh well, I guess that's done". The current guys would soon be forgotten. Reminds me a little of Rollerball. It's the team, the individual players do not matter in the least in the long run.

[Rastak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVUxK1mNups

[QBME]

The fuck the players do have that much power. I agree on the fact the big guys want to get the milk long and often.

That said, I've yet to find one guy who said they stopped watching sports because the players on the team they liked retired. The masses watch the uniform, myself included. When the Purple People Eaters of the 70's became extinct I didn't say "Oh well, I guess that's done". The current guys would soon be forgotten. Reminds me a little of Rollerball. It's the team, the individual players do not matter in the least in the long run.

I think where're on the same track, just from different directions. I wasn't trying to implicate any loyalties (fer cryin' out loud I've hung on for 50 years), the point I was trying to make was the owners have all the cards. As long as the sport limits the careers of the vast majority of players, for whatever reason, the power is with the owners. But it is the players that have the product. Remember 1987 or when the players were locked out and the replacements came in? What a shit show - the owners caved and made concessions they swore they would never grant. My point is that if the players union was really a union and held fast, they would have the owners by the little bits - but because the money is so good for even the shortest stint, it ain't gonna happen. I am in no way advocating for one side or the other, just commenting on what I see and think. Which is the purpose of this forum.....I think.

[pbmax]

Oldest trick in negotiation book.

Gave in on things they could not actually care less about and then offered more money to lowest paid employees. Translates into headlines and votes.

They don’t get higher percentage of revenue (at least not that I have seen reported), Goodell is still the judge and jury and big contract players everyone tunes in to see get a paycut for revenue producing 17th game.

[Fosco33]

I’ve shared many examples of improving the game here. Arbitrarily adding one home non conf game every other year is lame.

I’m not a fan of one team getting a bye. I’d say if they want another playoff game - eliminate the byes altogether.

[pbmax]

They publicized the hell out of the concessions and have now said take it or leave it. Just think how many terms of the deal haven’t been addressed publicly.

I read it will take the lawyers two weeks to put the thing on paper for a formal vote to happen.

[mraynrand]

I read it will take the lawyers two weeks to put the thing on paper for a formal vote to happen.

three weeks - at $400/hour

[Anti-Polar Bear]

three weeks - at $400/hour

Dee Smith is a hotshot BLACK lawyer. Hiring other lawyers is financially wasteful. Yes, I included race b/c you and your ilk don’t think the black man is good enough to be a hotshot lawyer.

While I’m all for the players getting 100% of net profit, I think the players should sign the current deal. A 3 hours work week, for only 17 weeks a year, for millions of frogskins, plus excellent health care/coverage ain’t too bad.

[mraynrand]

Dee Smith is a hotshot BLACK lawyer. Hiring other lawyers is financially wasteful. Yes, I included race b/c you and your ilk don’t think the black man is good enough to be a hotshot lawyer.

Piss off

[pbmax]

three weeks - at $400/hour

You always have to factor that in, but lawyers are not the only ones working hourly :D

#IT Contract Work

There is a reason most of the internet is filled with lawyers and IT people :D

[pbmax]

Dee Smith is a hotshot BLACK lawyer. Hiring other lawyers is financially wasteful. Yes, I included race b/c you and your ilk don’t think the black man is good enough to be a hotshot lawyer.

While I’m all for the players getting 100% of net profit, I think the players should sign the current deal. A 3 hours work week, for only 17 weeks a year, for millions of frogskins, plus excellent health care/coverage ain’t too bad.

I know you are just trying to piss off Rand, but Smith's specialty is not labor law and labor law specialists will be writing the contract language. Smith has done trial work, corporate law, white collar crime, prison issues and (national, I think) security.

The one new interesting thing to come out of this reporting is that the NFLPA couldn't even get an insurance firm to write a policy for retired NFL players health care.

[mraynrand]

The one new interesting thing to come out of this reporting is that the NFLPA couldn't even get an insurance firm to write a policy for retired NFL players health care.

You mean all those AM radio spots for “SelectQuote” were lies?

[ThunderDan]

three weeks - at $400/hour

Good luck finding a labor lawyer for $400/hour.

In Madison we are paying $525/hour in New York or LA it is got to be $1,000/hour to talk to the secretary.

[mraynrand]

Good luck finding a labor lawyer for $400/hour.

In Madison we are paying $525/hour in New York or LA it is got to be $1,000/hour to talk to the secretary.

lol. Yeah I was gonna got back and change it but then who really cares? If I need a lawyer, I’m hiring Alvarez off the Chicago billboards.

[mraynrand]

Dee Smith is a hotshot BLACK lawyer. Hiring other lawyers is financially wasteful..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ESJINXeBjhc

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I know you are just trying to piss off Rand, but Smith's specialty is not labor law and labor law specialists will be writing the contract language. Smith has done trial work, corporate law, white collar crime, prison issues and (national, I think) security.

The one new interesting thing to come out of this reporting is that the NFLPA couldn't even get an insurance firm to write a policy for retired NFL players health care.

All I'm just saying is, as much as I despise pigs and their vicious pursuit of wealth, the "elitists" - the Richard Shermans, Great Arm of Butteses, JJ Watts - within the NFLPA need to stop being so greedy. The CBA on the table seems it's like a good deal, especially for the majority, the "good, normal" players. That deal is nirvana compared to the benefits and compensations I received flipping burgers for the last 5 years combined. In other words, I'm being exploited. NFL players, not as much.

While just a faceless, hapless, replaceable slave, I - along with millions of Tex's GNAs - nonetheless played a part in helping The Company generate 70 times more revenue last year than what the NFL generated in 2018. Not saying burger-flippers should be paid like NFL players. Just saying, working-class heroes -the hard-working, do-your-fucking-job folks - the world over deserve to be paid a gainful wage and receive optimal health insurance, among other optimal benefits.

[bobblehead]

Ultimately depends what percentage of players make more than 4M per year (250K per game * 16 games).

If I were the players, I would lock out the owners and wait them out. Not getting 50% of revenue is insane in such a violent sport.

In the end, I view 18 games and 2 in-season byes to be inevitable.

I can see where having only one bye in the playoffs increases competition. Maybe it makes the product better. I think maybe it's worth a shot.

I tend to advocate for the owners when it comes to the cut of the pie, but there are many concessions I think owners should make. For one, I would make contracts guaranteed. I would actually cut the players % of the money down a bit, but I would stick with current games and playoffs format. I would attempt to structure the cap to a system like the NBA has where you can offer your own FA more than any other team can. The cap would become malleable in that system that would allow teams to spend more than the % players are guaranteed.

In the end, players are free to go play in the XFL or ZFL or wherever they want. The ownership has created a monster product that fans crave, and its NOT all about the players. If the top 3 players at every position disappeared no one would care. We would still tune in and show up at the stadiums. The players didn't build this, the ownership did. I'm not suggesting we go back to the 70's, just a little sanity in the structure...

Oh yea, and practice more for fucks sake. Give me the offseason programs where a QB might be developed. Where a Rashan Gary can work with the team and coaches throughout the year.

[bobblehead]

Not only was the Soviet Union not pro-Union at all, but you are clearly one of those in favor of unions unless it means someone else gets paid.

So please get lost.

Isn't that all people all the time?

[bobblehead]

The players have the product and the power, but the owners have time.

I disagree with this. The players have neither since they don't have time. The owners could put forth a deal they like and say eat it or sit. You think Jerry Jones misses a single meal or any other pleasure if the season gets cancelled? But 75% of the players would hurt quite a lot.

A bad court ruling basically said owners can't use scabs again, but they can say sit and go play in the xfl...but as soon as they go play in the xfl that court ruling gets revisited.

[bobblehead]

Oldest trick in negotiation book.

Gave in on things they could not actually care less about and then offered more money to lowest paid employees. Translates into headlines and votes.

They don’t get higher percentage of revenue (at least not that I have seen reported), Goodell is still the judge and jury and big contract players everyone tunes in to see get a paycut for revenue producing 17th game.

I truly don't mean this as a political post, but isn't that the entire socialist way? And socialism is what the courts thrust onto the NFL when they decided each franchise is a business, not the NFL as a whole. As such, offering more the the little guy at the expense of the big guy is legit and effective.

[bobblehead]

All I'm just saying is, as much as I despise pigs and their vicious pursuit of wealth, the "elitists" - the Richard Shermans, Great Arm of Butteses, JJ Watts - within the NFLPA need to stop being so greedy. The CBA on the table seems it's like a good deal, especially for the majority, the "good, normal" players. That deal is nirvana compared to the benefits and compensations I received flipping burgers for the last 5 years combined. In other words, I'm being exploited. NFL players, not as much.

While just a faceless, hapless, replaceable slave, I - along with millions of Tex's GNAs - nonetheless played a part in helping The Company generate 70 times more revenue last year than what the NFL generated in 2018. Not saying burger-flippers should be paid like NFL players. Just saying, working-class heroes -the hard-working, do-your-fucking-job folks - the world over deserve to be paid a gainful wage and receive optimal health insurance, among other optimal benefits.

I can't possibly respond to this without Pb deleting my post so I will just say this. I don't disagree, I just disagree with the method of achieving it. You think it can be forced by law, I believe it can only be forced by necessity.

[pbmax]

You mean all those AM radio spots for “SelectQuote” were lies?

You gotta read the fine print.

I mean listen.

[pbmax]

lol. Yeah I was gonna got back and change it but then who really cares? If I need a lawyer, I’m hiring Alvarez off the Chicago billboards.

Gruber, One Call, That's All!

[pbmax]

Isn't that all people all the time?

Frustratingly often.

[pbmax]

I truly don't mean this as a political post, but isn't that the entire socialist way? And socialism is what the courts thrust onto the NFL when they decided each franchise is a business, not the NFL as a whole. As such, offering more the the little guy at the expense of the big guy is legit and effective.

To a degree, I suppose you could claim this. But the discrepancy between top and bottom of player salaries wouldn't be so stark in a truly socialist system.

Both player compensation and owner financial sharing of revenue have social features, but its not the dominating social principle.

"28 Republicans who vote socialist"

~ Art Modell

[Zool]

All I'm just saying is, as much as I despise pigs and their vicious pursuit of wealth, the "elitists" - the Richard Shermans, Great Arm of Butteses, JJ Watts - within the NFLPA need to stop being so greedy. The CBA on the table seems it's like a good deal, especially for the majority, the "good, normal" players. That deal is nirvana compared to the benefits and compensations I received flipping burgers for the last 5 years combined. In other words, I'm being exploited. NFL players, not as much.

While just a faceless, hapless, replaceable slave, I - along with millions of Tex's GNAs - nonetheless played a part in helping The Company generate 70 times more revenue last year than what the NFL generated in 2018. Not saying burger-flippers should be paid like NFL players. Just saying, working-class heroes -the hard-working, do-your-fucking-job folks - the world over deserve to be paid a gainful wage and receive optimal health insurance, among other optimal benefits.

So in one breath you say the players should accept less than fair market value for their labor, then next say you’re underpaid. Maybe you should stop being so greedy at your burger joint.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

So in one breath you say the players should accept less than fair market value for their labor, then next say you’re underpaid. Maybe you should stop being so greedy at your burger joint.

Man, you’re just as dumb as O’Day. Back to ignoring you after this post. :)

[Zool]

Man, you’re just as dumb as O’Day. Back to ignoring you after this post. :)

I'll have the usual.

[call_me_ishmael]

What's more likely to be successful: The players saying F you to the owners and starting their own league, or the owners says F you and finding replacement players? To me, talent wins out and the average person knows who Tom Brady is, but has no idea who Bob Kraft is. The public already gets fucked into subsidizing these stadiums so from my perspective anyone should be able to use 'em that can pay the rent.

[mraynrand]

So you’re saying that on field football talent can build an entire league involving stadiums, broadcasting, advertising, etcetera. They’d need a lot of luck to pull that off by themselves.

[Joemailman]

The 2 sides need each other. Players could not form a new league that would be the equivalent of what the NFL is now. The NFL would not be successful with replacement players.

[call_me_ishmael]

So you’re saying that on field football talent can build an entire league involving stadiums, broadcasting, advertising, etcetera. They’d need a lot of luck to pull that off by themselves.

Nope, but i am raising the question of who is the commodity here, and it’s the old white dudes, not the young players. The owners aren’t fucked if the players don’t play, but they need the best players or their league will gradually fall off. I think the players should wait them out for a 50/50 split at a minimum.

There’s wayyyy more people with money then there are people able to play in the NFL and put a top notch product on the field. The players could get a better deal from them, too. It'll never happen, but as far as supply and demand goes, there's more demand for good players because they're in short supply compared to old rich dudes who are in ample supply.

[pbmax]

The 2 sides need each other. Players could not form a new league that would be the equivalent of what the NFL is now. The NFL would not be successful with replacement players.

The voice of reason.

[call_me_ishmael]

The voice of reason.

Agreed.

[Rastak]

The 2 sides need each other. Players could not form a new league that would be the equivalent of what the NFL is now. The NFL would not be successful with replacement players.


They would eventually. I didn't say "Well, Eller, Marshall, Page and Larsen are gone. Well, that was fun. I guess I'll do something else. It's the uni's we root for as every one of you know.

[pbmax]

They would eventually. I didn't say "Well, Eller, Marshall, Page and Larsen are gone. Well, that was fun. I guess I'll do something else. It's the uni's we root for as every one of you know.

Perhaps. But it would take a hit. I don't follow the Browns unis anymore and I was not going to follow the Ravens.

[ThunderDan]

They would eventually. I didn't say "Well, Eller, Marshall, Page and Larsen are gone. Well, that was fun. I guess I'll do something else. It's the uni's we root for as every one of you know.

I haven't watched any of the XFL until it was on in a bar. It is like watching a college football game. I am not going to be spending my time with the XFL.

If the NFL product got as bad, I would watch the Badgers on Saturday and pass on Sundays.

[pbmax]

Perhaps. But it would take a hit. I don't follow the Browns unis anymore and I was not going to follow the Ravens.

Come to think about it, if not for Favre and Reggie and Holmgren and Wolf, might not be watching pro football much at all.

[pbmax]

Andrew Brandt @AndrewBrandt
Seeing a slew of NFL teams releasing veterans under contract now. Tens of millions of scheduled salaries now will turn to dust. But hey, trust the NFL when they say their proposed 11-year CBA is a good deal for the Players..

[smuggler]

I think the players should vote NO, but I also don't think the deal is all that bad --- except for the 17th game.

[Bretsky]

I think the players should vote NO, but I also don't think the deal is all that bad --- except for the 17th game.


The 17th game should also eliminate two preseason games and add a bye

[smuggler]

I always harp on it, but I think the league should just have 3 preseason games and have 3 byes with 16 games. There's added TV revenue because there are more games being broadcast in total, even though hometowns will still only see 8 games.

I might just be stubborn, but it seems like all of the burden for the 17th/18th games fall on the players and they're only getting 47% of the benefit. For anyone arguing that the first 16 games are that way, there was quite a bit of historical risk that the league undertook, which current players didn't have to pay anything for.

[Joemailman]

CBA approved 1019-959.

[Teamcheez1]

I'm really surprised that the vote was that close. This was the best deal the players were going to get. If they wanted to blow up the current system, the eventual conclusion would be lead to less than they have now.

[Fosco33]

Hmm

[Smidgeon]

Can't say I'm a fan of 17 games and 7 playoff teams, but I tend to be reluctant to change.

[Teamcheez1]

Can't say I'm a fan of 17 games and 7 playoff teams, but I tend to be reluctant to change.

Agreed. I'm not super crazy about the increased schedule or playoff team addition. I think the rank and file player (i.e. not AR) benefit most from this deal.

[pbmax]

I'm really surprised that the vote was that close. This was the best deal the players were going to get. If they wanted to blow up the current system, the eventual conclusion would be lead to less than they have now.

I would love to sell you a used car.

[mraynrand]

I would love to sell you a used car.

Do you have an '85 Plymouth Reliant with less than 250,000 miles? I'll give you $6,000 for it.

[pbmax]

Do you have an '85 Plymouth Reliant with less than 250,000 miles? I'll give you $6,000 for it.

Why don't you give me your drivers license and sit in this room while my manager and I look over the available inventory?

[mraynrand]

Why don't you give me your drivers license and sit in this room while my manager and I look over the available inventory?

Sweet! You are going to find me the best car on the lot!

[Teamcheez1]

I would love to sell you a used car.

You can continue to be wrong. That is always your right.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I'm not super crazy about the increased schedule or playoff team addition.

You say that now. You'll think differently when the Packers need the 17th game to win the 7th spot.

As for myself, I wish the playoffs could be interfucked. Have Barry Alvarez seed the 14 teams without regards to the obsolete conferences. A Packers-Queens Super Bowl would be a totally prodigious affair.

[smuggler]

I think players could have had a better deal by just saying no to the 17th game. They're not factoring in how bad that game is to their side of the table.

[pbmax]

I think players could have had a better deal by just saying no to the 17th game. They're not factoring in how bad that game is to their side of the table.

That and the extra games from the expanded playoffs.

[Joemailman]

I agree. Rodgers' suggestion of adding a bye week but sticking with 16 games seemed reasonable. Or at least a reasonable starting point. Owners get another week of television revenue without the players having to play another game.

[red]

So does the new cab mean that dr Zs weed incident will no longer be a problem?

[smuggler]

I agree. Rodgers' suggestion of adding a bye week but sticking with 16 games seemed reasonable. Or at least a reasonable starting point. Owners get another week of television revenue without the players having to play another game.

Rodgers must read the forum. I have been harping this idea for like 6 years.


So does the new cab mean that dr Zs weed incident will no longer be a problem?

What are you talking about? That never even happened. :glug:

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't like the idea of a second bye week. Even if it's good for the players and ok for the teams, it would be shitty for fans.

I'm wondering how this 17 games will work, given the odd number and the fact that home field means a lot in football.

[Joemailman]

I don't like the idea of a second bye week. Even if it's good for the players and ok for the teams, it would be shitty for fans.

I'm wondering how this 17 games will work, given the odd number and the fact that home field means a lot in football.

2 ideas have been floated on 17 game season. One is that everybody plays 1 game on a neutral field. The other is that one year every team from one conference has 9 homes games, while every team from the other conference has 8 home games. Then it switches the following season.