Rashan Garys second season!

[RashanGary]

19 pressures in two hundred and whatever snaps. He flashed as a rookie.

His rookie camp he was regularly rag dolling the backups.

In his second year one of the reporters was asked the difference between camp 1 and camp 2. The response was camp 2 he did the same things vs the starters.

Pettine said he was really happy to see Gary came back having improved in all of the areas they asked him to improve. Said during a time when maybe there was an excuse to not make gains with all of the change, Gary clearly did everything possible

Gary’s workout videos on twitter were awesome last year. This year even better. Biggest difference is his agility and he’s lower to the ground with his movements. You can see a more agile, flexible, leverage advantaged player in year 2.

Mike Smith said he thinks Gary, a 22 year old 2nd year player might be the best edge setter in his really talented OLB room. Not the worst thing when facing a team like SF.

Gary said the smiths have taught him a lot about tells the offense gives and that he’s so much more comfortable in his assignments so he can just have fun and play fast. Insists he’s going to be in the backfield.

No guarantees, but work ethic and rare physical talent are pointing to Gary being a violent, impactful player in his sophomore campaign. Z learned from Suggs. Gary is learning from Z. Gary has his ideal matchups and situations. He should play a ton against a team like SF. He should also be put against tackles who struggle with power or guards who struggle with speed. He’s a clear advantage in several situations in 2020.

If put in the right spots, Gary should be an extremely impactful player in 2020. He’s still probably a year or two away from every down savvy vet status, but luckily, we’ve got two of those guys already on the roster.

Look for 2020 to be a highlight reel riddled season for Rashan Gary, playing probably 60% of defensive snaps!

45 pressures
7 sacks
Huge upgraded run defense with Gary locking down edges on early downs

Perfect progress for a young, high upside draft pick and an especially valuable run piece for a team that plays a lot of nickel and dime.

[George Cumby]

Pass me some of that fine Kool-Aid you drinkin'.

[Bretsky]

He flashed last year for sure. He flashed a bunch of shit. Hopefully he produces remotely near where he was drafted someday

Wasn't Mike Smith the one who said Gary was the best Edge in last year's draft ?

[Bretsky]

7 sacks is very realistic though given most of the focus will be on the Smith brothers and Gary should greatly benefit from not being a focus.

[Gotarace]

I myself called Gary "Old Half Step" last season...Always a half of a step from doing something productive. If he can find the gear to get there in time he really could be a disruptive player.

[bobblehead]

He flashed last year for sure. He flashed a bunch of shit. Hopefully he produces remotely near where he was drafted someday

Wasn't Mike Smith the one who said Gary was the best Edge in last year's draft ?

I think it was the second bears game where he THREW the guard aside. He flashed some last year. I am not sold yet, as my biggest concern is he isn't instinctive enough to transition from run to pass. I think as a 3rd down rush specialist he could have a good career. He could probably be a short yardage specialist as well, but an every down player who has to honor both run and pass I just question the instincts.

[RashanGary]

I think it was the second bears game where he THREW the guard aside. He flashed some last year. I am not sold yet, as my biggest concern is he isn't instinctive enough to transition from run to pass. I think as a 3rd down rush specialist he could have a good career. He could probably be a short yardage specialist as well, but an every down player who has to honor both run and pass I just question the instincts.

Summed that up pretty well. Good point. There’s no certainties with Gary, but that sure is a possible downfall.

[MadScientist]

I think it was the second bears game where he THREW the guard aside. He flashed some last year. I am not sold yet, as my biggest concern is he isn't instinctive enough to transition from run to pass. I think as a 3rd down rush specialist he could have a good career. He could probably be a short yardage specialist as well, but an every down player who has to honor both run and pass I just question the instincts.

A lot of "instincts" in the NFL are a product of hard work. It sounds like he's been putting in the hard work this off season, both physically in his training, and mentally with learning offensive tells. No guarantees, but the signs are encouraging. Also he's another year removed from the injury he had in college.

[bobblehead]

A lot of "instincts" in the NFL are a product of hard work. It sounds like he's been putting in the hard work this off season, both physically in his training, and mentally with learning offensive tells. No guarantees, but the signs are encouraging. Also he's another year removed from the injury he had in college.

I have argued this point with Tex, but with a guy who plays closer to the line like 3-4 OLB or DL the keys can be taught and are more important. With his superior physical gifts I am hoping he can learn enough to be 3 downs effective, but as I said, if his career is nothing more than a 3rd down pass rush specialist, he can still have a really nice career.

[texaspackerbacker]

I think he sees a lot of action on early downs subbing in for Z Smith - sometimes anyway - because he supposedly can set the edge better. On passing downs, I expect to see Gary on the field with both Smiths, and Zakarius rushing inside a lot in that set.

[Fritz]

I'm trying to think up some bad shit to say about Gary, but my heart's just not in it. It's all so weird now. I did not realize how much the fans in the stands mattered.

Also, has anybody heard from PB? Where the hell did he go? If Covid didn't get Wist, it couldn't have gotten PB, right?

[texaspackerbacker]

Who among you guys is in that "Garbage Can" section of the forum? And how does one go about trying to get into it? I suspect a lot of the answers to the mysteries are in there.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Who among you guys is in that "Garbage Can" section of the forum? And how does one go about trying to get into it? I suspect a lot of the answers to the mysteries are in there.

I no longer have access to the Garbage Can, but the last time I was there, I had some nice readings, thanks to ole Bretsky.

Ask ole Madtown for access.

[George Cumby]

Take this to the.....

....well.....

.... the Garbage Can.

[RashanGary]

One week in Gary leads packers players affecting QB with 3 pressures and 2 hits. Z second with 3 pressures and 1 sack.

[George Cumby]

He walked back the LT on Alexander’s safety.

His pad level was fixed.

[RashanGary]

It looked like bad blocking of the sack, but he shot out of a cannon. He’s as fast as 30% of safeties so he’s gonna make blockers look bad when they can’t slide in front of that cannon ball. We’re gonna see a bunch of whiffs. Just cuz so many can’t move fast enough to block him when the QB moves and he can trigger like that

[texaspackerbacker]

He outplayed P. Smith, and arguably was just about as good as Z. Smith today.

[bobblehead]

Yep. Crow would have been better hot, but I can take it cold if he helps us to an Owl this year.

[Bretsky]

I'm conservatively optimistic about Gary. Some of his best work came against a backup LT today; but last year he was being owned by them so I give him credit for getting better.

He is lightning fast out there and some of these OL are not used to seeing that speed come off the edge

I'm not eating crow yet, but if he continues to improve I'll be more than happy to

[George Cumby]

He was all up in Stafford's grill on the pick six.

[Fritz]

He was all up in Stafford's grill on the pick six.

I've always said Rashan Gary was going to be a great NFL player.

[George Cumby]

:-)

Keen insight like yours is what keeps me coming back to Packerrats.

[Tony Oday]

Gary with the Smiths is AWESOME!!! I love seeing the pressure they are putting on.

[texaspackerbacker]

I hope that's true, but Preston Smith seems to have fallen back a bit this year - so far anyway.

[Joemailman]

He was all up in Stafford's grill on the pick six.

This picture says it all.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2020/09/b930f6f5ec5842dbabf9280e777a67fd-1.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1

[GB-Brandon]

Rashan Gary 2019 PFF grade “54.1”

2020 season thus far “60.4”

So there has been some minimal improvement but nothing to start jumping up and down and doing Kart Wheels over for sure. For the 14th pick of the draft he should of been doing this the day the Packers drafted him. We’re not even close to expectations.

[Bretsky]

Rashan Gary 2019 PFF grade “54.1”

2020 season thus far “60.4”

So there has been some minimal improvement but nothing to start jumping up and down and doing Kart Wheels over for sure. For the 14th pick of the draft he should of been doing this the day the Packers drafted him. We’re not even close to expectations.



I would agree with this

But he's improved

Even if it's horrible to ok .....at least it's improvement

[Joemailman]

I would agree with this

But he's improved

Even if it's horrible to ok .....at least it's improvement

He was never horrible. He had a lot to learn about playing OLB and didn't get a lot of snaps because the Smiths were playing great. If he had played an amount of snaps comparable to them, he would likely have had 6-7 sacks. I think he should have played more. This year he is playing more and is producing.

[RashanGary]

Yep. Crow would have been better hot, but I can take it cold if he helps us to an Owl this year.

I feel good eating my crow on a lot of things too.

[SudsMcBucky]

I will be the first one to be happy to admit I was wrong about all the criticism I threw at the Gary pick. However, we're not there, yet.

[Fritz]

I will be the first one to be happy to admit I was wrong about all the criticism I threw at the Gary pick. However, we're not there, yet.

I prefer to pretend that I thought he'd be great all along.

[Joemailman]

I prefer to pretend that I thought he'd be great all along.

Come on Fritz. Mea culpa is good therapy.

[RashanGary]

I prefer to pretend that I thought he'd be great all along.

We’re all wrong all of the time. Just like every single NFL GM.

[RashanGary]

Bobble probably said it best earlier in the offseason when it became apparent that Gary is one of the hardest working, most driven dudes on the team. He’s such a physical force that when he gets to tee off, he’s gonna be really hard to stop. But when it’s play action and/or off balance, he might never be able to key fast enough to be elite.

Gary has probowl potential. He’s got a HOF body and work ethic and a below average football mind so he’s a real good piece but not a true center piece.

That said, the sack on stafford was undeniable. Not many RTs are gonna have the ability to get in front of him when he tees off like that. And the Packers have the offense to make a lot of those opportunities likely. His early showing combined with the Packers offense makes it look likely for him to have 10+ sacks. And Preston is getting most of the edge coverage responsibilities because he’s the only guy we got who’s good at it, so Gary gonna have a ton of opportunities to reek havoc this year.

[RashanGary]

I see Gary getting a bunch of doubles too. On top of his production he really does seem to be making everyone better

[GB-Brandon]

I see Gary getting a bunch of doubles too. On top of his production he really does seem to be making everyone better

:laugh:

[HarveyWallbangers]

I see Gary getting a bunch of doubles too. On top of his production he really does seem to be making everyone better

Just like he did at Michigan. :)

[George Cumby]

I see Gary getting a bunch of doubles too. On top of his production he really does seem to be making everyone better

Two defensive scores in consecutive games partially attributable to the pressure he was applying.

It's too small of a sample size to draw any conclusions, the sun may just be shining on that dog's ass, but boy, right now, it looks pretty good..... Gary's pressure, not the dog's ass.

[Upnorth]

:laugh:

You claim to wAtch tape during the draft. Perhaps look at tape of what he is doing instead of just reading analytics. Pff is a great site imo but have human tape watchers for there grading. If they miss a double he grades lower. If he is rushing to contain it may look like a whiff lowering the grade. Bak grades all pro at pff last year but we see him slip (a little). Not saying we know more but we focus on a hand full of players. There graders need to rush because they focus on more lots of players. Shit gets missed.
No one can deny the impact and jumpgary has had in yr 2. In college his coaches and teammates all said he makes everyone better. Some see that this year.

[GB-Brandon]

You claim to wAtch tape during the draft. Perhaps look at tape of what he is doing instead of just reading analytics. Pff is a great site imo but have human tape watchers for there grading. If they miss a double he grades lower. If he is rushing to contain it may look like a whiff lowering the grade. Bak grades all pro at pff last year but we see him slip (a little). Not saying we know more but we focus on a hand full of players. There graders need to rush because they focus on more lots of players. Shit gets missed.
No one can deny the impact and jumpgary has had in yr 2. In college his coaches and teammates all said he makes everyone better. Some see that this year.

I have “Watched Gary” and while i do agree he has shown some improvement saying “He makes Everyone Better Around Him” to be a huge fetch at this point.

Maybe on one given play he did but collectively were just not there yet and I think it’s pretty obvious.

[RashanGary]

I have “Watched Gary” and while i do agree he has shown some improvement saying “He makes Everyone Better Around Him” to be a huge fetch at this point.

Maybe on one given play he did but collectively were just not there yet and I think it’s pretty obvious.

He was the pressure guy on both interceptions.

[run pMc]

Sample size is waaay too small, but he leads the team in pressures/pressure rate and is .5 sack behind Zadarius.
If he keeps this up he will be a very good 3rd wheel and could push them to start him and move on from Preston (I hate that idea, he's good) to gain cap room.

I didn't like the pick, as I saw him as a classic boom-or-bust and I'm not a huge fan of taking those types of picks that high (and with Brian Burns still on the board). He's made considerable progress in Year 2 going from DE to OLB, and he's better than Nick Perry at same stage in career, which is a good thing.

If he continues to progress I will happily admit to being wrong.

[Upnorth]

He was the pressure guy on both interceptions.

And pulled a double on the safety I believe. Who was the coach that said to learn football dont watch the ball.

My bad just watched the replay. He only had one blocker after the wr released past him. He did seal that blocker off from Alexander though.

[HarveyWallbangers]

From OLB coach


"He might be the best one in the room setting the edge and playing the run. I mean, he's a violent kid," said outside linebackers coach Mike Smith last month. "That's why I'll always have faith in Rashan, because we all know he's athletic. Period. There ain't no doubt about that.

"He's meaner than a rattlesnake, I'm telling you. Guys like that, they don't fail."

[bobblehead]

At this point I think its undeniable that he will have a nice career as a specialist. Can he become a dominant 3 down player is the only question left.

[HarveyWallbangers]

At this point I think its undeniable that he will have a nice career as a specialist. Can he become a dominant 3 down player is the only question left.

What specialty? He's an edge setter and has great pass rush potential. He's a hard worker, so I could see a Big Z career arc. With his athleticism, it may even come sooner for him than it did for Big Z.

[RashanGary]

What specialty? He's an edge setter and has great pass rush potential. He's a hard worker, so I could see a Big Z career arc. With his athleticism, it may even come sooner for him than it did for Big Z.

bobble has talked about this before. Gary seems better when he's asked to do one thing and struggles when it could be run or pass. He's kind of a two part specialist. Either an edge setter (can't cover, doesn't key fast enough to switch to pass rush mid play) or a pass rusher in obvious passing downs.

He's an elite athlete developing elite technique with a slow reaction to misdirection or deception.

He could have a 3 down packer HOF career, but you're gonna want some more complete and smart players around him so Gary can stick to.the simpler tasks. There are ways to scheme Gary to his strengths. bobble might be overlooking the ways you'd scheme him for success. But I see what he's saying that Gary doesn't seem to have that all time great quality of being football smart on top of the physical and technique skillset.

[Joemailman]

What specialty? He's an edge setter and has great pass rush potential. He's a hard worker, so I could see a Big Z career arc. With his athleticism, it may even come sooner for him than it did for Big Z.

I agree. Although Gary isn't getting as many snaps as Z, he's actually playing as much or more at OLB as Z is. And he's playing more in his 2nd year than Z did in his 2nd year at Baltimore. Actually Z has always been the guy who was more of a specialist, as a pass rusher. It wasn't until he came to the Packers that he became a full time starter.

[RashanGary]

1st and 10 against a run or pass team. Ask Gary to close.the pocket. That works in run or pass.
1st and 10 against mobile QB. Same task. Works

You can have other guys take calculated pass rush risks on early downs when they key in on it. Collapsing the pocket is kind of a universal defensive skillset. It works for everything. He just doesn't have to be all that smart on any of the downs when he's as good as he is at one very needed skill. On top of that, he's looking like a hell of a pass rusher in obvious passing situations. You can use Gary on every down. Just not the way bobble has that Pidgeon holed. But I understand the concept hes trying to express. Gary isn't good at everything. That's for sure.

[Tony Oday]

Gary will be a top 5 OLB

[GB-Brandon]

Sounds like Lawrence Taylor has arrived in Green Bay!!!

This is so exciting!!!!!

[call_me_ishmael]

You heard it here first - Preston Smith is a cap casualty after the season so they can retain Bak.

[Joemailman]

You heard it here first - Preston Smith is a cap casualty after the season so they can retain Bak.
It's possible. They would eat 8 million and save 8 million.

[HarveyWallbangers]

It's possible. They would eat 8 million and save 8 million.

Meaning they wouldn't gain any cap space by cutting him? If so, why would they do that?

[Joemailman]

Meaning they wouldn't gain any cap space by cutting him? If so, why would they do that?

No. If they keep him, his cap hit would be 16 million. If they cut him, the remaining 8 million from his signing bonus would count against he cap.

[GB-Brandon]

They ate $ to get rid of Perry. I have zero doubt they would do it with P. Smith if he doesn’t play up to contract and Gary improves that much.

[RashanGary]

Lindsey saves 8

Bakh already makes 12. If the average goes up to 20 you just have to part with Lindsley.

Bakh 20 per year
Jenkins
Patrick small contract
Turner 8 per year
Wagner 5 per

The line is fine without Lindsley.

[RashanGary]

I like Preston. Would hate to see him go cuz the deep 280 pound OLB group takes pressure off the shallow DL rotation.

[RashanGary]

Bakhs cap hit is 15M. He turns 29 at the end of this month.

If he got 22M per for 3 years extension. 66 for three years plus the 15 for this year. That's 4 years, 82M and would take him to age 33. 20.5 per year.

Or just let him go and keep everyone else.

[GB-Brandon]

Bakhs cap hit is 15M. He turns 29 at the end of this month.

If he got 22M per for 3 years extension. 66 for three years plus the 15 for this year. That's 4 years, 82M and would take him to age 33. 20.5 per year.

Or just let him go and keep everyone else.

Probably let him go. Jordan Love is a really good athlete and can really move around if you know what I mean. LT is probably overrated in an offense with a QB that can move so well. Heck if Ryan Tannehill can do it almost anyone can.

Probably would be smarter to get another Edge Rusher instead!!!

[call_me_ishmael]

Ryan Tannehill has a super star left tackle, though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Lewan

You don't let the best LT in the NFL walk. 33 is not that old. Chad Clifton was solid until 33 it appears. It'll be fine.

[call_me_ishmael]

They ate $ to get rid of Perry. I have zero doubt they would do it with P. Smith if he doesn’t play up to contract and Gary improves that much.

It's not even about his performance. They have the next guy there in Gary, and Preston makes a lot of money. They need to free up money. They have a natural out in the contract after this season. I would be shocked if it doesn't happen. Mean Dean too.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/preston-smith-16762/
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/dean-lowry-19091/

Easily worth it to bring back Bak. I doubt they bring back Linsley despite him being very solid.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm not sure what the rush is to get rid of Preston Smith. He's a good player. Gary is pushing for playing time, but Big Z's versatility allows the Packers to play all three OLBs--because Big Z plays a lot of snaps on the interior DL. In fact, both Smith's are playing close to 90% of snaps--while Gary is also playing a high number of snaps (close to 60%). You don't get rid of pass rushers--unless you have to.

[GB-Brandon]

We have to keep Preston. We have to put the best team possible around what will be the new young QB. He is gonna need all the help he can get plus with Rodgers contract gone Smith’s contract won’t be that big a deal.

[call_me_ishmael]

I'm not sure what the rush is to get rid of Preston Smith. He's a good player. Gary is pushing for playing time, but Big Z's versatility allows the Packers to play all three OLBs--because Big Z plays a lot of snaps on the interior DL. In fact, both Smith's are playing close to 90% of snaps--while Gary is also playing a high number of snaps (close to 60%). You don't get rid of pass rushers--unless you have to.

I _don't_ like getting rid of him, but that's the only path I can see towards paying Baktiari a fat raise unless they really do plan on ARod coming off the books after next year.

[GB-Brandon]

Rodgers “has to come off the books after next year.” The hand has already been forced and collateral damage done. It’s already a done deal.

Rodgers gets freedom and a real opportunity to win Super Bowls.

Green Bay gets Gute and “Purgatory”. I can’t wait to see how much all these people Love Him so much in a couple years!!!

[texaspackerbacker]

That's just idiotic bullshit.

[Upnorth]

That's just idiotic bullshit.

Let the child be. He is working through his emotions.

[bobblehead]

Rodgers “has to come off the books after next year.” The hand has already been forced and collateral damage done. It’s already a done deal.

Rodgers gets freedom and a real opportunity to win Super Bowls.

Green Bay gets Gute and “Purgatory”. I can’t wait to see how much all these people Love Him so much in a couple years!!!

https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/clown-shoes-side-view-picture-id494895855?k=6&m=494895855&s=612x612&w=0&h=oaQzi9mqwROHOY2gnQQBb2lUxBxZDi1AzV8VkQc7H6U=

[GB-Brandon]

https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/clown-shoes-side-view-picture-id494895855?k=6&m=494895855&s=612x612&w=0&h=oaQzi9mqwROHOY2gnQQBb2lUxBxZDi1AzV8VkQc7H6U=

Yet Your the one who wanted Rodgers gone during the offseason because “You Couldn’t Take it any longer”

Your the one who actually belongs in the Clown Car with Gute!! You’d make the perfect co-pilot!!!!

[call_me_ishmael]

Rodgers “has to come off the books after next year.” The hand has already been forced and collateral damage done. It’s already a done deal.

Rodgers gets freedom and a real opportunity to win Super Bowls.

Green Bay gets Gute and “Purgatory”. I can’t wait to see how much all these people Love Him so much in a couple years!!!

I honestly don't understand this take. Has Gooter not aggressively went after free agents? What about Z? What about Smith? What about the safety? He went hard to fill the RT spot this year and MLB. I don't _get_ why you think they're not playing for the present and don't have a chance.

So far the offense has looked quite capable and better than I imagine most of us thought it would be. Maybe this is what they expected given that they see these dudes day in and day out?

[GB-Brandon]

I honestly don't understand this take. Has Gooter not aggressively went after free agents? What about Z? What about Smith? What about the safety? He went hard to fill the RT spot this year and MLB. I don't _get_ why you think they're not playing for the present and don't have a chance.

So far the offense has looked quite capable and better than I imagine most of us thought it would be. Maybe this is what they expected given that they see these dudes day in and day out?

I’m more or less happy with the FA moves on defense. Not happy with the overkill of drafting Gary 14th or trading up for Savage. Obviously trading up for Love. The resources could of been better used. Every pick counts!!!

We’ve played two of the worst secondaries and defenses in the NFL. At least bottom 10 and probably closer to bottom 5. Let’s see what this offense does tomorrow. Sounds like Darrius Shepherd was activated. I suppose Lazard is the No.1 tomorrow. Let’s see!!!

[sharpe1027]

I honestly don't understand this take. Has Gooter not aggressively went after free agents? What about Z? What about Smith? What about the safety? He went hard to fill the RT spot this year and MLB. I don't _get_ why you think they're not playing for the present and don't have a chance.

So far the offense has looked quite capable and better than I imagine most of us thought it would be. Maybe this is what they expected given that they see these dudes day in and day out?

It's what trolls do. Gotta love em.

[GB-Brandon]

It's what trolls do. Gotta love em.

"Trolls" typically aren't on the hook betting on the their team though for hundreds to thousands of dollars!!!

"Trolls" Don't typically buy homes close to Lambeau Field to have a better game day experience!!

"Trolls" Don't spend thousands of dollars going to both home games and traveling to away packer games!!

"Trolls" Don't open up their home to certain Packer personnel over the years!!!

Cut the BULLSHIT!!!

I Love Green Bay and The Packers. I won't tolerate a dysfunctional and mediocre GM and you shouldn't either!!!


https://youtu.be/DXqrz4xEBu4