Official 2020 Packers vs New Orleans Saints Week 3

[GB-Brandon]

Well this is it. A big opportunity for the Packers to win a big game. I know they beat the Seahawks last year in the playoffs but the Seahawks were depleted by injures. They beat the Chiefs without Mahommes. This is an opportunity for them to get a big win and silence a lot of their critics.

[GB-Brandon]

Bree’s looks much better tonight.

[HowardRoark]

12 minutes....

[RashanGary]

3 dubs. Good way to start the season! Clark should be back. LaFleur made a comment that Clark wasn’t back against the lions even though he’s doing everything he can. Fat mike woulda played him. Clark wanted to play is what I heard and ML said no. Clark gonna be 100 on Sunday.

[RashanGary]

Turner was back as last resort OL last week. Should be 100 this week. Clark wanted to play last week. LaFleur said he was doing everything to get back but it’s a no go. Tells me Clark was close if he wanted to play. LaFleur said Adams was precautionary with the lead.

Should be healthy gainst a beat up aints team. Feelin good bout 3-0

[RashanGary]

Bakh dominant
Jenkins dominant
Patrick solid
Turner decent
Wagner solid

Feel good about the OL

[RashanGary]

Lizard emerging as a consistent threat
Big Bobby Tonyan, the guy I’ve been the biggest hater of developing into a guy 12 counts on. Solid pass pro. Solid run blocking. Solid routes and hands.
Great running back group with two guys 12 loves to play with and do everything well
Adams
Jones
12
Solid OL.

Look out, aints!

[RashanGary]

Brees, Brady, Matt Ryan, Watson. Gonna be fun to see Packers beat some good QBs!

[GB-Brandon]

Bree’s is washed up and they don’t have Thomas. Get your bets early before the line changes. I got mine at +160 before they took if back off.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Bree’s is washed up and they don’t have Thomas. Get your bets early before the line changes. I got mine at +160 before they took if back off.

I thought Brees looked much better? Setting yourself up to say the Packers still haven't beaten anybody if they beat the Saints this week?

It's early, but it's fun to see this. Packers offensive ranks:

Points - 1st
Yards - 1st
Rushing Yards - 1st
Yards/Carry - 1st
Passing Yards - 6th
QB Rating - 5th
20+ Yard Pass Plays - 4th
40+ Yard Pass Plays - 1st
1st Downs/Game - 2nd
3rd Down % - 6th
Time Of Possession - 1st
Sacks Allowed - 1st

Imagine if MVS and Sternberger hadn't dropped multiple passes on potentially big gains in the first two games.

[GB-Brandon]

I thought Brees looked much better? Setting yourself up to say the Packers still haven't beaten anybody if they beat the Saints this week?

It's early, but it's fun to see this. Packers offensive ranks:

Points - 1st
Yards - 1st
Rushing Yards - 1st
Yards/Carry - 1st
Passing Yards - 6th
QB Rating - 5th
20+ Yard Pass Plays - 4th
40+ Yard Pass Plays - 1st
1st Downs/Game - 2nd
3rd Down % - 6th
Time Of Possession - 1st
Sacks Allowed - 1st

Imagine if MVS and Sternberger hadn't dropped multiple passes on potentially big gains in the first two games.

Nope. I tell it like it is and I think I’ve more then shown that. I’m “Setting Myself Up” to make a big swat at +160!!! I won’t let pride get in the way of $.

Yes, I gave Bree’s a pass last week but he is “Washed”. He doesn’t have much left for the deep to the intermediate ball. He is 41 years old and it happens. No Thomas and this should be a Packer win the way Rodgers is playing. It will still be a big win for us because even though the Saints defense got worked a little tonight they are still better then the Lions and Queens. If the offense can score at the same rate against Saints then I would say we’re okay with the “Caveat” that were extremely thin at WR and TE considering some of the issues. This means I would still make a move for someone for good measure. Don’t want to screw this thing up.

This one will be pretty simple. Contain Kamara and watch out for Gadget plays by T. hill and roll!

[GB-Brandon]

I thought Brees looked much better? Setting yourself up to say the Packers still haven't beaten anybody if they beat the Saints this week?

It's early, but it's fun to see this. Packers offensive ranks:

Points - 1st
Yards - 1st
Rushing Yards - 1st
Yards/Carry - 1st
Passing Yards - 6th
QB Rating - 5th
20+ Yard Pass Plays - 4th
40+ Yard Pass Plays - 1st
1st Downs/Game - 2nd
3rd Down % - 6th
Time Of Possession - 1st
Sacks Allowed - 1st

Imagine if MVS and Sternberger hadn't dropped multiple passes on potentially big gains in the first two games.


That’s why we need someone better then MVS/Sternberger so that the “All Gas No Fucken Break” Montra will be 100% legit. Right now it’s like 80% legit.

[GB-Brandon]

That’s why we need someone better then MVS/Sternberger so that the “All Gas No Fucken Break” Montra will be 100% legit. Right now it’s like 80% legit.

Why not score 50 a game for good measure!!

We have Aaron Rodgers for gods sake. Anyone else would if they had him!!!

[GB-Brandon]

Another quick observation. Scoring is way up across the league. The reffs are calling just about anything pass interference. If you tap someone now on the side it’s a “blind side block”. Holding calls are way down. There are so many rules favorable to the offense that it’s almost impossible to have any type of shut down defense.

It’s clear the NFL wants points and excitement for the casual fan. This is like when Major League Baseball juiced up the balls. All the more reason to go get another weapon amongst the many others.

[GB-Brandon]

Being a great GM requires the ability to innovate with the current structure and environment you are in and having the ability to navigate through that making the right changes & decisions to prosper!!!

[texaspackerbacker]

Lizard emerging as a consistent threat
Big Bobby Tonyan, the guy I’ve been the biggest hater of developing into a guy 12 counts on. Solid pass pro. Solid run blocking. Solid routes and hands.
Great running back group with two guys 12 loves to play with and do everything well
Adams
Jones
12
Solid OL.

Look out, aints!

Of all our TEs, Tonyan is the one I'm the least negative about.

As for the Saints, look what the Raiders did to them, and we have a much better QB, better RB(s), I'd say much better WRs, and while I wouldn't say it, a lot of people in here think our O Line is plenty good too.

And although it isn't a sure thing yet, it kinda looks like Thomas will be out again for them - will Davante be back for us? I'd say more likely than Thomas for them, and I'd also say what we have beyond our #1 WR is better than what they have. And if anybody is gonna say Kamara is better than A. Jones, hell no to that! And maybe you thought so, Brandon, but I didn't think Brees looked all that good. He's never as good as Rodgers, and now he's not even as good as he has been in the past. If their D gave Oakland oops, LV, 24, then we ought to well up in the 30s at least in the empty Super Dome.

[texaspackerbacker]

Brandon, I agree with what you said about penalties and "why not score 50?". So far, the Packers either have had better coverage discipline or different refs who didn't call them that way (or maybe our DBs in many cases just couldn't stay close enough to get called for PI - sorry, I shouldn't have said that hahahaha).

I'm far from calling Gutekunst a great GM, especially after the last draft, but he absolutely isn't as bad as you make him out to be. 13-3/2-0.

[run pMc]

Are ppl complaining about not scoring 50? LOL
If not for a couple of bad drops they might have. I don't think MLF pulled a M3 and took his foot off the gas, unless you count keeping Adams off the field for next week. Winning by 21 in the NFL is not easy or common. GB was the only team to do it in week 2 (there were a couple of 18 point victories). If the defense showed up for the 4Q of MIN game the score would've looked ugly for MIN.

I think it's early to call Gute a great GM, but so far his moves have been mostly positive. It's way early on this year's picks, but the Alexander, Gary, Savage, Jenkins, and MVS picks look like they will pan out to varying degrees (anywhere from contributor to star). The Jordan Love pick is controversial, but he's done it with an eye towards having a successor groomed. Better to have a QB before you need one than draft one out of need. He's been very successful IMO with free agency except for Jimmy Graham. He's managed things with the COVID changes, a new coach in MLF, and made moves to keep the franchise relevant now and into the future... without giving up a bunch of picks, or blowing up the roster or the cap.
I don't love every move he's made, but I can usually see the rationalization and agree with the direction, if not the method.

As for the Saints... not having Thomas hurts them, and I agree that Brees' deep ball isn't good anymore. He can still hit the throws to move the chains and be efficient, which could keep Rodgers & Jones on the sidelines. Brees has had a slow start to the year and I'd expect him to be motivated to get going. Also agree stopping Kamara will be a key, as well as the usual things (no turnovers, limit penalties, etc.). With a limited number of fans allowed in the dome noise shouldn't be a factor like it can be. A lot depends on injuries and GB's defense getting off the field, but this is a winnable game for Packers. Right now it looks like NO is favored as the home team by 3.5 but that line will probably change.

[Tony Oday]

I think Thomas will play this week otherwise he would have been put on IR for 3 games.

Kamara is terrifying so we need to score and score a lot.

[GB-Brandon]

I think Thomas will play this week otherwise he would have been put on IR for 3 games.

Kamara is terrifying so we need to score and score a lot.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2909921-saints-wr-michael-thomas-reportedly-to-miss-2-4-weeks-with-ankle-injury

[GB-Brandon]

Are ppl complaining about not scoring 50? LOL
If not for a couple of bad drops they might have. I don't think MLF pulled a M3 and took his foot off the gas, unless you count keeping Adams off the field for next week. Winning by 21 in the NFL is not easy or common. GB was the only team to do it in week 2 (there were a couple of 18 point victories). If the defense showed up for the 4Q of MIN game the score would've looked ugly for MIN.

I think it's early to call Gute a great GM, but so far his moves have been mostly positive. It's way early on this year's picks, but the Alexander, Gary, Savage, Jenkins, and MVS picks look like they will pan out to varying degrees (anywhere from contributor to star). The Jordan Love pick is controversial, but he's done it with an eye towards having a successor groomed. Better to have a QB before you need one than draft one out of need. He's been very successful IMO with free agency except for Jimmy Graham. He's managed things with the COVID changes, a new coach in MLF, and made moves to keep the franchise relevant now and into the future... without giving up a bunch of picks, or blowing up the roster or the cap.
I don't love every move he's made, but I can usually see the rationalization and agree with the direction, if not the method.

As for the Saints... not having Thomas hurts them, and I agree that Brees' deep ball isn't good anymore. He can still hit the throws to move the chains and be efficient, which could keep Rodgers & Jones on the sidelines. Brees has had a slow start to the year and I'd expect him to be motivated to get going. Also agree stopping Kamara will be a key, as well as the usual things (no turnovers, limit penalties, etc.). With a limited number of fans allowed in the dome noise shouldn't be a factor like it can be. A lot depends on injuries and GB's defense getting off the field, but this is a winnable game for Packers. Right now it looks like NO is favored as the home team by 3.5 but that line will probably change.


Depends on what the expectations are? If expectations are to win a Super Bowl more needs to be done. The 6 drops on Sunday are very concerning. This will catch up with us against better teams. If your expectations are winning the North and falling short of a Lombardi then your just fine. IMO with Rodgers being 36 and playing the way he is anything but a Championship is a failure at this point. Maybe some of you believe in 2nd place trophy’s. I don’t.

http://packerswire.usatoday.com/2020/09/21/matt-lafleur-packers-had-6-drops-vs-lions/

[bobblehead]

Another quick observation. Scoring is way up across the league. The reffs are calling just about anything pass interference. If you tap someone now on the side it’s a “blind side block”. Holding calls are way down. There are so many rules favorable to the offense that it’s almost impossible to have any type of shut down defense.

It’s clear the NFL wants points and excitement for the casual fan. This is like when Major League Baseball juiced up the balls. All the more reason to go get another weapon amongst the many others.

I'd rather go get a run stuffing tackle or an elite ILB. Just sayin' all those 1's in our offensive ranking don't make anyone but you think we are short weapons.

[GB-Brandon]

I'd rather go get a run stuffing tackle or an elite ILB. Just sayin' all those 1's in our offensive ranking don't make anyone but you think we are short weapons.

That’s fine but it’s a bit of “Fools Gold”. Mitch Trubisky tore up that Lions defense and Queens got exposed again by the Colts.

It hardly time to banging our chests on offense. Not with the ratings and how many drops there has been.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2909921-saints-wr-michael-thomas-reportedly-to-miss-2-4-weeks-with-ankle-injury

Thomas is also seeing the Packers’ hotshot foot specialist this week, so that’s a good sign he ain’t gonna play. I know, ethics call for MDs to keep medical stuff secret, but ethics didn’t stop the foot doc from revealing the cause of Cam Newton’s foot injury to Pettine prior to the Pack-Panthers game last season.

[texaspackerbacker]

Are ppl complaining about not scoring 50? LOL
If not for a couple of bad drops they might have. I don't think MLF pulled a M3 and took his foot off the gas, unless you count keeping Adams off the field for next week. Winning by 21 in the NFL is not easy or common. GB was the only team to do it in week 2 (there were a couple of 18 point victories). If the defense showed up for the 4Q of MIN game the score would've looked ugly for MIN.

I think it's early to call Gute a great GM, but so far his moves have been mostly positive. It's way early on this year's picks, but the Alexander, Gary, Savage, Jenkins, and MVS picks look like they will pan out to varying degrees (anywhere from contributor to star). The Jordan Love pick is controversial, but he's done it with an eye towards having a successor groomed. Better to have a QB before you need one than draft one out of need. He's been very successful IMO with free agency except for Jimmy Graham. He's managed things with the COVID changes, a new coach in MLF, and made moves to keep the franchise relevant now and into the future... without giving up a bunch of picks, or blowing up the roster or the cap.
I don't love every move he's made, but I can usually see the rationalization and agree with the direction, if not the method.

As for the Saints... not having Thomas hurts them, and I agree that Brees' deep ball isn't good anymore. He can still hit the throws to move the chains and be efficient, which could keep Rodgers & Jones on the sidelines. Brees has had a slow start to the year and I'd expect him to be motivated to get going. Also agree stopping Kamara will be a key, as well as the usual things (no turnovers, limit penalties, etc.). With a limited number of fans allowed in the dome noise shouldn't be a factor like it can be. A lot depends on injuries and GB's defense getting off the field, but this is a winnable game for Packers. Right now it looks like NO is favored as the home team by 3.5 but that line will probably change.

I can't speak for the other guy, but I wasn't complaining that they didn't score 50, just saying they could have if maybe they'd cleaned up the red zone stuff, etc. Some people are claiming that we did this against bad defenses ...... no, the Vikings are not that bad, and they did not get handled by the Colts nearly as bad as the Packers handled them. Detroit may not be very good, but they aren't horrible either.

+1 what you said about Gutekunst.

Mostly +1 about the Saints too.

[GB-Brandon]

I can't speak for the other guy, but I wasn't complaining that they didn't score 50, just saying they could have if maybe they'd cleaned up the red zone stuff, etc. Some people are claiming that we did this against bad defenses ...... no, the Vikings are not that bad, and they did not get handled by the Colts nearly as bad as the Packers handled them. Detroit may not be very good, but they aren't horrible either.

+1 what you said about Gutekunst.

Mostly +1 about the Saints too.

I’d love to hear who you think is bad and horrible then.

[texaspackerbacker]

Jets, Bengals, Jaguars, Falcons to name a few.

[GB-Brandon]

Jets, Bengals, Jaguars, Falcons to name a few.

Falcons are like the Seahawks. Jag’s might have something going with Minshew.

I’d say Bengals are comparable and Jets obviously worse. That’s still isn’t saying much about who we’ve played.

[hoosier]

Are ppl complaining about not scoring 50? LOL
If not for a couple of bad drops they might have. I don't think MLF pulled a M3 and took his foot off the gas, unless you count keeping Adams off the field for next week. Winning by 21 in the NFL is not easy or common. GB was the only team to do it in week 2 (there were a couple of 18 point victories). If the defense showed up for the 4Q of MIN game the score would've looked ugly for MIN.

I think it's early to call Gute a great GM, but so far his moves have been mostly positive. It's way early on this year's picks, but the Alexander, Gary, Savage, Jenkins, and MVS picks look like they will pan out to varying degrees (anywhere from contributor to star). The Jordan Love pick is controversial, but he's done it with an eye towards having a successor groomed. Better to have a QB before you need one than draft one out of need. He's been very successful IMO with free agency except for Jimmy Graham. He's managed things with the COVID changes, a new coach in MLF, and made moves to keep the franchise relevant now and into the future... without giving up a bunch of picks, or blowing up the roster or the cap.
I don't love every move he's made, but I can usually see the rationalization and agree with the direction, if not the method.

As for the Saints... not having Thomas hurts them, and I agree that Brees' deep ball isn't good anymore. He can still hit the throws to move the chains and be efficient, which could keep Rodgers & Jones on the sidelines. Brees has had a slow start to the year and I'd expect him to be motivated to get going. Also agree stopping Kamara will be a key, as well as the usual things (no turnovers, limit penalties, etc.). With a limited number of fans allowed in the dome noise shouldn't be a factor like it can be. A lot depends on injuries and GB's defense getting off the field, but this is a winnable game for Packers. Right now it looks like NO is favored as the home team by 3.5 but that line will probably change.

Good post

[run pMc]

I think on a neutral field MIN beats Jets, Bengals, Jags and loses to Falcons. I'll throw the Giants and Redskins in there too -- I think MIN would beat them. Maybe Carolina. I think they'd beat DET head to head. Not sure about CHI. They look like they are going to struggle this year but I could see them getting hot if the young guys figure it out and gel. Zimmer's got a lot of work to do. Kubiak too. They look like a 7-9 team at best, which suits me fine because I don't root for the Vikes unless they play the Bears.

I think Detroit has a problem keeping leads. They have a decent offense - they played GB with 2 backup OL, and their backups < GB's backups. I'd think they beat NYJ, CIN, NYG, lose to CAR, WAS, ATL, JAX, MIN. They look like they're headed for 4 or 5 wins and Bob Quinn firing Patricia to keep his job.

DET and MIN might not be playoff teams, but they are division foes and so I tend to throw a lot of things out the window. The teams know each other well and have rivalries. Last year GB almost lost to David Blough and Bo Scarborough in week 17 with a bye on the line. Patricia has done well against the Packers historically, and winning at US Bank has been a rarity for the Packers...I refuse to consider wins against them gimmes. They would have to play historically bad for me to think otherwise.

[GB-Brandon]

I'd rather go get a run stuffing tackle or an elite ILB. Just sayin' all those 1's in our offensive ranking don't make anyone but you think we are short weapons.

Also the defense is more then a DL or a ILB away from being elite and dominate.

Our no.1 Asset right now is Aaron Rodgers and the offense. We are very thin at playmakers right now. For me you put everything you can in place to keep this offense going and safeguard it from injury and better competition . It’s our best chance.

[GB-Brandon]

I think on a neutral field MIN beats Jets, Bengals, Jags and loses to Falcons. I'll throw the Giants and Redskins in there too -- I think MIN would beat them. Maybe Carolina. I think they'd beat DET head to head. Not sure about CHI. They look like they are going to struggle this year but I could see them getting hot if the young guys figure it out and gel. Zimmer's got a lot of work to do. Kubiak too. They look like a 7-9 team at best, which suits me fine because I don't root for the Vikes unless they play the Bears.

I think Detroit has a problem keeping leads. They have a decent offense - they played GB with 2 backup OL, and their backups < GB's backups. I'd think they beat NYJ, CIN, NYG, lose to CAR, WAS, ATL, JAX, MIN. They look like they're headed for 4 or 5 wins and Bob Quinn firing Patricia to keep his job.

DET and MIN might not be playoff teams, but they are division foes and so I tend to throw a lot of things out the window. The teams know each other well and have rivalries. Last year GB almost lost to David Blough and Bo Scarborough in week 17 with a bye on the line. Patricia has done well against the Packers historically, and winning at US Bank has been a rarity for the Packers...I refuse to consider wins against them gimmes. They would have to play historically bad for me to think otherwise.

I don’t think anybody has discredited a win but simply pointing out that we might want to pump the breaks a little on all these so called “Great Weapons” that aren’t even grading out particularly well right now until we get to see them against better competition.

[Fosco33]

Thomas is also seeing the Packers’ hotshot foot specialist this week, so that’s a good sign he ain’t gonna play. I know, ethics call for MDs to keep medical stuff secret, but ethics didn’t stop the foot doc from revealing the cause of Cam Newton’s foot injury to Pettine prior to the Pack-Panthers game last season.
Yeah. packers team doc ftw

[RashanGary]

Listening to MLF last week, it sounded like Clark wanted to play. They didn't put him on IR so they must be thinking 2 games at worst for the injury.

There is a chance 97 is a no go, but I expect him to play. We’ll get a better judge of the Packers full potential on defense once Clark plays a game.

[RashanGary]

Gary is leading the team with 7 pressures
He's leading the team with 4 qb hits
He's second on the team with 1.5 sacks

Once Clark comes back, the addition of Gary in year 2 plus keke in year 2.... The Packers should show improvement up front.

[GB-Brandon]

Drew Bree’s PFF score thus far is “60.8”

#Washed

[wist43]

Drew Bree’s PFF score thus far is “60.8”

#Washed

I haven't watched the games, but the fantasy analysts are all saying his arm looks dead.

I'm sure it will come back to life next week.

[GB-Brandon]

I haven't watched the games, but the fantasy analysts are all saying his arm looks dead.

I'm sure it will come back to life next week.

He can throw a 10-12 yard dig route and a shallow out route and that’s about it from what I’ve seen of him so far. We shall see.

Packers DB’s should be licking their chops ready to feast.

[RashanGary]

He can throw a 10-12 yard dig route and a shallow out route and that’s about it from what I’ve seen of him so far. We shall see.

Packers DB’s should be licking their chops ready to feast.

Agree. I thought he looked done last year. Week 1 and 2 his legs are as under him as they're gonna get and he's still noodle arming it around. It'll only get worse as the season progresses. He's done for

[RashanGary]

Brady looks good though. Live arm. He’ll be fine

[bobblehead]

Also the defense is more then a DL or a ILB away from being elite and dominate.

Our no.1 Asset right now is Aaron Rodgers and the offense. We are very thin at playmakers right now. For me you put everything you can in place to keep this offense going and safeguard it from injury and better competition . It’s our best chance.

Except that teams don't win Owls with dominant offenses and suspect defenses. We need more D. We are scoring plenty. End of story.

[bobblehead]

Drew Bree’s PFF score thus far is “60.8”

#Washed

I hope you are right. I would rather he looks old this sunday night than vintage drew.

[GB-Brandon]

Except that teams don't win Owls with dominant offenses and suspect defenses. We need more D. We are scoring plenty. End of story.

Fuck more D. I don’t trust Pettine with anymore pieces or with a game on the line for that matter. I surely wouldn’t put our season in the hands of Mike Pettine. That would be a mistake!!! The D can “Play with the Lead” and is built that way so we have to be able to get leads and score points. We haven’t proven we can score at that rate against better defenses. We’re also very thin at WR right now. We have to be able to keep it going!!! I trust Rodgers and want to get him everything he needs to keep it going. IMO this is our best chance. Score 50 and let the D get a sack here and a pick there and win games!!!

[GB-Brandon]

I hope you are right. I would rather he looks old this sunday night than vintage drew.

He need to retire!!!

[SudsMcBucky]

While I am totally in the boat that the Packers screwed the pooch on WR in the draft the last couple of years, I'm not sure I'm in the boat on a mid season trade. All reports are it takes a good while for AR and his WR's, regardless of WHO they are, to get on the same page, route running, and confidence level. Would a trade for a guy who knows nothing of the playbook and AR's expectations be better than the guys AR has been working with the last couple of years? Not sure about that.

[RashanGary]

Matt Shneidman who writes for, the athletic, interviewed nfl scouts and gms. He came up with a top 12 CB list and Jaire made it at 7. Jaire is #1 on PFF right now. He hasn't made a pro bowl, but he's pro bowl caliber

Clark, Zadarius and Alexander are legit pro bowl level guys.

P is a solid player, being asked to do a lot of coverage this year cuz Z and Gary really don't do that well
King and Amos are solid
Kirksey is servicable
Gary is a big upgrade over Gary a year ago. 4 QB hits in two games vs 3 in 16 a year ago
Sullivan, Greene and Redmond are all experienced with the defense
Barnes looks like a nice upgrade over last year's ILB #2
Too early to say on Savage

Lowry, Lancaster are same as a year ago
Keke and Adams should be improved


Just going through the roster of guys who are gonna play on defense, the guys we have are more up and coming than falling off. P is doing Fackrells coverage stuff but Gary is holding his own in Ps spot up front. Kirksey looks about equal to Martinez. All of this is probably a wash. The secondary is missing Williams, but in his place are guys with some experience who are more physical. The rest of the secondary should be on the upswing.

I kinda thought the Packers defense would be improved over last year because the guys we lost weren't that good and should have been replaceable. But the way it's turning out, losing fackrell takes away from P rushing so Garys growth ends up being a wash. Turns out Martinez was a better blitzer and a little more stout as a tackler so Kirkseys coverage ends up being a wash. And Tramon played really well, so the young, physical nickel/Dime guys are turning into a wash too

Missing Clark is the biggest difference on this defense vs last year's right now.

Once Clark is back, i expect a similar quality defense to a year ago with probably a slight improvement from the up and coming secondary and a slight improvement from keke.

Going into season I was saying top 5 easy. I misjudged the affect of the guys we lost
With games played, I think top 10 once Clark is back with a possible push for the 5 spot


The safeties just aren't as good as I thought they'd be.

[RashanGary]

Had we kept Fackrell and Martinez, wed be a little better right now. P, Z and Gary would be freed up by fackrell to eat DL snaps. And Martinez and Kirksey would make our bigger packages more effective.

But here we are. A little different than last year, but probably similar to a year ago once Clark comes back. Glad SF is destroyed by injury.

[RashanGary]

And Kirksey not being able to catch Cousins from behind was a bad sign. He needs a healthy year to really train his body back to full speed. Maybe he'll be able to make progress with that speed training throughout the season.

[Upnorth]

From what I have seen this year back up nt was the most important position we should have drafted. Our d with Clark was shut down. Without we are a bit below average. Hopefully we can find one some how.
Unfortunately no biggest asset currently is Tamara so we need to be strong against the run. If Clark isn't back we arent even average against the run.
How are the Saints cbs looking?

[Joemailman]

From what I have seen this year back up nt was the most important position we should have drafted. Our d with Clark was shut down. Without we are a bit below average. Hopefully we can find one some how.
Unfortunately no biggest asset currently is Tamara so we need to be strong against the run. If Clark isn't back we arent even average against the run.
How are the Saints cbs looking?

Saints CB's have been effective. All of passing TD's Saints have given up have been against safeties and linebackers. Saints couldn't stop Raiders TE Monday night (12 catches, 103 yards, 1 TD) so look for LaFleur to target TE's more this week.

[Upnorth]

Saints CB's have been effective. All of passing TD's Saints have given up have been against safeties and linebackers. Saints couldn't stop Raiders TE Monday night (12 catches, 103 yards, 1 TD) so look for LaFleur to target TE's more this week.

So we had Adams and mvs in week 1, Jones wk 2. I doubt tonyon and Sternberg will be wk 3 but it would be nice.

Man I hate the way my phone autocorrect stuff. I must be getting old as the tech is starting to beat me

[Joemailman]

Had we kept Fackrell and Martinez, wed be a little better right now. P, Z and Gary would be freed up by fackrell to eat DL snaps. And Martinez and Kirksey would make our bigger packages more effective.

But here we are. A little different than last year, but probably similar to a year ago once Clark comes back. Glad SF is destroyed by injury.

Well, I suppose. But I doubt Kirksey would have signed here if Gute had signed Martinez. And vice versa. They both play the same position. Also, Martinez' cap hit is 10M this year. Signing him and Kirksey would have meant making cuts elsewhere.

[run pMc]

Brady looks good though. Live arm. He’ll be fine

Agree Brady's arm looks better than Brees'. He had some zip on 15+ yard throws that Drew doesn't, and he can throw with touch.

As for "great weapons" I think we have Adams and Jones. I'll wait for the DVOA and DYAR numbers to stabilize after Week 4 before making any snap judgements. So far, I will say that to my eye Rodgers, MVS and Lazard have looked better than last year.

I'm really beginning to believe the theory of addition by subtraction re: Allison/Graham. Those guys were ineffective and taking up snaps/targets.

[run pMc]

Well, I suppose. But I doubt Kirksey would have signed here if Gute had signed Martinez. And vice versa. They both play the same position. Also, Martinez' cap hit is 10M this year. Signing him and Kirksey would have meant making cuts elsewhere.

Agree. Also, I would have really hated to think about Blake eating up $10M of cap space for years. The guy was AJ Hawk, only drafted in the right round. Signing him to a big contract would have been overspending IMO. He's not an elite or even top 5 ILB. 30.75M w/ 19M guaranteed for Blake vs. 13 and 4 for Kirksey? For the production so far I'll take Kirksey.

Fackrell is 29 years old and isn't going to get any better -- he is what he is at this point. I liked him as a depth piece but also felt he's replaceable. At that point you draft a young guy with some upside like Kamal IMO. All that said, they still have issues on the DL and ILB that next draft needs to address (along with OL, WR, and probably CB).

[Anti-Polar Bear]

From what I have seen this year back up nt was the most important position we should have drafted. Our d with Clark was shut down. Without we are a bit below average. Hopefully we can find one some how.
Unfortunately no biggest asset currently is Tamara so we need to be strong against the run. If Clark isn't back we arent even average against the run.
How are the Saints cbs looking?

I dunno what’s it’s like in the CFL, but in the NFL, the Packer defense certainly has NOT been “shutdown” with Clark, nor has it been “average” against the run. See the last NFC Title game for proof. Or the the first Viking game this season.

A lot of you wankers act like Clark’s All-Pro. Fat man can’t even crack the players’ top 100 list. Clark is overrated and overpaid.

[RashanGary]

Well, I suppose. But I doubt Kirksey would have signed here if Gute had signed Martinez. And vice versa. They both play the same position. Also, Martinez' cap hit is 10M this year. Signing him and Kirksey would have meant making cuts elsewhere.

For sure. Wagner and Kirksey both look like really good moves to patch things up at a lower cost. Just talking reality that we have some drop off with Martinez, Williams and fackrell all playing roles that we miss a little. It's a salary cap league so it's understandable just not seamless

[Upnorth]

I dunno what’s it’s like in the CFL, but in the NFL, the Packer defense certainly has NOT been “shutdown” with Clark, nor has it been “average” against the run. See the last NFC Title game for proof. Or the the first Viking game this season.

A lot of you wankers act like Clark’s All-Pro. Fat man can’t even crack the players’ top 100 list. Clark is overrated and overpaid.

With clark in the game they gave up 10 points 125 yards got a saftey and a pick. With out (in less time) they gave up 24 points and over 225 yards.
Yup sounds like Clark is a jag.

Small sample size but if you look at previous years its the same story.
For example pff had only donald as a better player last year.

[Joemailman]

For sure. Wagner and Kirksey both look like really good moves to patch things up at a lower cost. Just talking reality that we have some drop off with Martinez, Williams and fackrell all playing roles that we miss a little. It's a salary cap league so it's understandable just not seamless

I can't get a handle on this defense yet. In the 4th quarter of Game 1 and the 1st quarter of Game 2 they allowed TD's on 5 consecutive drives for 38 points. Before and after those 2 quarters they've allowed 17 points in 6 quarters.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

With clark in the game they gave up 10 points 125 yards got a saftey and a pick. With out (in less time) they gave up 24 points and over 225 yards.
Yup sounds like Clark is a jag.

Small sample size but if you look at previous years its the same story.
For example pff had only donald as a better player last year.

Please explain to me how a shutdown D allowed a 69ers rushing attack to pound the rock up and down its ass. Clark played in that game.

Packers still can’t stop the run. Stopping the run starts with the D-Line and D-Line starts with Clark. Clark’s a milksop. The opportunity cost of overpaying Clark is Aaron Jones imminent departure.

[GB-Brandon]

We’re not gonna be a “dominant run stopping team” with or without Clark. People need to put that pipe dream to bed. The best we can hope for is a repeat of last years defense IMO at this point. Maybe a little better vs the pass in 3rd and long towards the end of the season. That’s about it.

[GB-Brandon]

While I am totally in the boat that the Packers screwed the pooch on WR in the draft the last couple of years, I'm not sure I'm in the boat on a mid season trade. All reports are it takes a good while for AR and his WR's, regardless of WHO they are, to get on the same page, route running, and confidence level. Would a trade for a guy who knows nothing of the playbook and AR's expectations be better than the guys AR has been working with the last couple of years? Not sure about that.

I agree with familiarity but after MVS, Adams and Lazard there isn’t much familiarity at all. The chances are all 3 of these guys won’t stay healthy the rest of the way. I would much rather have a solid vet that is talented then going down even another level with the Packers reserves.

Look at it as an insurance policy.

[GB-Brandon]

I can't get a handle on this defense yet. In the 4th quarter of Game 1 and the 1st quarter of Game 2 they allowed TD's on 5 consecutive drives for 38 points. Before and after those 2 quarters they've allowed 17 points in 6 quarters.

We haven’t been able to “Get A Handle” on this defense for 10 years though.

[GB-Brandon]

For sure. Wagner and Kirksey both look like really good moves to patch things up at a lower cost. Just talking reality that we have some drop off with Martinez, Williams and fackrell all playing roles that we miss a little. It's a salary cap league so it's understandable just not seamless

It’s also a league that has a draft that should be used to mainline talent into those deficiencies at salary cap friendly prices if your a TRUE CONTENDER.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

We’re not gonna be a “dominant run stopping team” with or without Clark. People need to put that pipe dream to bed. The best we can hope for is a repeat of last years defense IMO at this point. Maybe a little better vs the pass in 3rd and long towards the end of the season. That’s about it.

In other words, the Packers are paying Clark $18M a year to produce 4-6 sacks a season against cupcakes.

They could’ve extended Jones and still have spare change left for King and maybe Bak, too.

[Upnorth]

Shutdown was an overstatement by me. I will admit that. Clark is a Pro Bowl level player and arguably an all pro level player. Feel free to argue that but you aren't right in saying he is a milksop at any level.

[GB-Brandon]

In other words, the Packers are paying Clark $18M a year to produce 4-6 sacks a season against cupcakes.

They could’ve extended Jones and still have spare change left for King and maybe Bak, too.

Your Preaching to the Choir man. That is the dysfunction of the Green Bay Packers front office and the way they do things.

Then to make it worse Some fans throw a “Temper Tantrum” over getting a legit receiver to go with Adams and how we can’t afford it Etc Etc: but just accept and don’t bat an eye paying Adrian Amos 10 million dollars to be a Fucken JAG!! And then their answer to everything is “We Need More Defense”. Fucken stuck on Stupid!!!

This is exactly “In Motion” why we only have 1 Super Bowl over the last 10 years. They don’t get it and never will. They don’t know how to change!!! l say “Free Aaron Rodgers” and go be mediocre in your little hole!

[GB-Brandon]

They sit there and band stand every year how we have all this Fucken talent on defense and they just want more when things fail.

They are like #HeroinJunkies

[run pMc]

I actually think Amos was a decent signing. The safety position was a dumpster fire before they signed him and drafted Savage (remember Tramon at safety?), and it still might not be fully settled. They desperately needed to fix that spot, and trading HaHa seemed weird until you realized he wasn't any better than Tramon.

I think it's naive to suggest you don't sign defensive players to second contracts. Last year the defense bailed the offense out numerous times, and the Smith signings were widely seen as very successful. As for Clark, he makes a shitton of money, but young DT's who can play the run and pass effectively are values by teams and the market prices them accordingly.

Is Clark worth $18M, or whatever? Ehhh, I dunno. Is Ryan Tannehill worth $30M, or Blake Martinez worth $10M? Apparently that's how the market is for players who produce. You are getting production, but at a steep cost.
If you don't have players who can step in, you either sign them or hope you can work around the deficiency.
By now they were hoping Mt.Ravenous Adams would've turned into a starter, but I think he's done and they will have to draft someone else. I also think they realized Lowry is overpaid and he will be a renegotiation target unless he discovers pass rushing. Keke isn't bad. So... they don't really have a built-in successor to Clark. Whaddya do? Draft 5 WRs and try to win games 50-49 until the snow flies and the winds howl?

Based on last year, where would you rank Clark among defensive players on the team? Is he the best? 3rd best?

[GB-Brandon]

I actually think Amos was a decent signing. The safety position was a dumpster fire before they signed him and drafted Savage (remember Tramon at safety?), and it still might not be fully settled. They desperately needed to fix that spot, and trading HaHa seemed weird until you realized he wasn't any better than Tramon.

I think it's naive to suggest you don't sign defensive players to second contracts. Last year the defense bailed the offense out numerous times, and the Smith signings were widely seen as very successful. As for Clark, he makes a shitton of money, but young DT's who can play the run and pass effectively are values by teams and the market prices them accordingly.

Is Clark worth $18M, or whatever? Ehhh, I dunno. Is Ryan Tannehill worth $30M, or Blake Martinez worth $10M? Apparently that's how the market is for players who produce. You are getting production, but at a steep cost.
If you don't have players who can step in, you either sign them or hope you can work around the deficiency.
By now they were hoping Mt.Ravenous Adams would've turned into a starter, but I think he's done and they will have to draft someone else. I also think they realized Lowry is overpaid and he will be a renegotiation target unless he discovers pass rushing. Keke isn't bad. So... they don't really have a built-in successor to Clark. Whaddya do? Draft 5 WRs and try to win games 50-49 until the snow flies and the winds howl?

Based on last year, where would you rank Clark among defensive players on the team? Is he the best? 3rd best?

Then we get people that take it to extreme like this. However; the Packers have pretty much done the exact opposite of drafting 5 WR’s. It’s like this form of denial I’ve noticed some Packer fans are in. The fact is this discussion has been going on for ten years and the defense hasn’t really improved. It’s always “Well this guy this and or that guy that but it didn’t work out” is the end result.

It comes down to the definition of Insanity which is to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result. The Packers front office has shown they are officially “Insane” considering what they have at QB and how they have gone about it.

BTW, Aaron looked just fine at Lambeau in a cold howling wind game against the Seahawks. The Chiefs didn’t seem to have a problem with weather issues either at Arrowhead in the playoff last year. When you have a QB that can throw a ball that “Cuts Wind” you use that to your advantage!!!!’ You don’t put it into hibernation!!!!

[Joemailman]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EioKlPLWsAAy4a3?format=jpg&name=large

[Joemailman]

I hope they leave Turner on the bench. Would be nice to have the same starting OL 2 games in a row.

[Upnorth]

Don't like seeing Clark and Adams not participating at all. Concerning, especially Clark when we are facing kamara

[Joemailman]

Don't like seeing Clark and Adams not participating at all. Concerning, especially Clark when we are facing kamara

Last week Kamara rushed for less than 4 YPC. But he caught 9 passes for 95 yards. Good test for Barnes, Greene etc.

[GB-Brandon]

Don't like seeing Clark and Adams not participating at all. Concerning, especially Clark when we are facing kamara

But I thought we were just fine at WR? From what RG posted he probably isn’t playing.

[GB-Brandon]

Why do we need Adams? Gute has done such an amazing job weaponizing the offense!!! According to many here we should be just fine and dandy!!!

[GB-Brandon]

I say lock in Lazard and MVS to big long term deals while you can so that way Jordan Love will be all set to roll!!!

[George Cumby]

I say lock in Lazard and MVS to big long term deals while you can so that way Jordan Love will be all set to roll!!!

Despite your incessant trolling, get a life BTW, this is actually a sensible post.

[GB-Brandon]

Despite your incessant trolling, get a life BTW, this is actually a sensible post.

Oh it’s coming. This was supposed to be fun!!! Gute has ruined the whole damn thing!!! Time to sell the house next to Lambeau and move to the Gulf Coast area full time. I’m thinking Tampa. Wife has been wanting to do it for a couple years now. Get out while you can!!!!

There won’t be much left!!!

[George Cumby]

Oh it’s coming. This was supposed to be fun!!! Gute has ruined the whole damn thing!!! Time to sell the house next to Lambeau and move to the Gulf Coast area full time. I’m thinking Tampa. Wife has been wanting to do it for a couple years now. Get out while you can!!!!

There won’t be much left!!!

The wife's family is from Clearwater. Despite the whole Florida thing, I've really developed an appreciation for that part of the Gulf Coast. Great kid-friendly beaches.

[GB-Brandon]

The wife's family is from Clearwater. Despite the whole Florida thing, I've really developed an appreciation for that part of the Gulf Coast. Great kid-friendly beaches.

Yeah, Have an old High School buddy who lives in Clearwater. St. Petersburg is a nice little hub too.

[hoosier]

Any chance you'll switch over to being a Tampa fan after the move?

[GB-Brandon]

Any chance you'll switch over to being a Tampa fan after the move?

I’m not sure I could ever go that far with it. I was born in Green Bay Area. NFL Sunday ticket(which I even have now living here) allows me to watch games. I just can’t continue to support and put into it what I have considering what this front office is doing or not doing!!!

[Joemailman]

Packers and Saints have a lot in common going into this week:

Future HOF QB

Both might be missing elite #1 receiver

Dynamic RB who can be as dangerous in passing game as in running game.

Cornerback play so far strength of their defenses.

[GB-Brandon]

Packers and Saints have a lot in common going into this week:

Future HOF QB

Both might be missing elite #1 receiver

Dynamic RB who can be as dangerous in passing game as in running game.

Cornerback play so far strength of their defenses.

Saints have an advantage at ILB play with Demario Davis and a better front seven overall then Packers but yes there are some similarities.

[Joemailman]

Kenny Clark limited participation! On the downside, Montravius Adams full participation.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EitP2ltXYAAjLE_?format=png&name=900x900

[GB-Brandon]

Saints think they have a good shot to get Marcus Davenport back for this game!!

[GB-Brandon]

I could see this end up being a lower scoring game then expected with the winning team scoring in the mid to high 20’s.

[GB-Brandon]

We need the defense to step up for once and win a game for us!!!

Millions and Millions of Dollars and Top Picks should get us a win every once in awhile you’d think!!

[RashanGary]

Thomas being out and Adams being out is a wash.

Clark would be a big edge to NO. Hope he's healthy. Davenport doesn't change things the way Clark does.

[Joemailman]

Don't know if he did anything more than drills.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eisx5-2WkAIbh5U?format=jpg&name=medium

[RashanGary]

I could see this end up being a lower scoring game then expected with the winning team scoring in the mid to high 20’s.

For sure. Packers talking about coming out overzealous trying to make up for the energy of the crowd. Like it was an over coaching point. Not having Clark kinda kills is too. With Clark and some ironed out messiness, there's a chance for sure. NO can do a lot more on defense than the last two we faced.

[George Cumby]

Man, if Adams hammy is even a little questionable, I want him to sit.

[GB-Brandon]

Adams won’t play.

[texaspackerbacker]

As I said in the other thread, Adams played and moved normally AFTER the injury. Maybe he will sit out, but I sure wouldn't bet on it. It's logical if there was a little tweak of the muscle, they would hold him out of the late games series when they were way ahead. It's also logical they wouldn't have him practicing all this week. All the info about Thomas, on the other hand, says that he won't play.

With Adams in and Thomas out or with both playing or with both out, the Packers are just plain a better team. Aaron Rodgers is better than Brees even if Brees has not faded as it appears he has. Aaron Jones seems to have more burst and raw speed than Kamara and just as good strength and shiftiness. He also is at least as good a receiver. I've criticized the Packers O Line, but this year, they're playing damn good, I would think no worse than N.O. The Saints vaunted D gave up 34 to a Raider team whose O probably is nowhere near as good as the Packers. Clark may or may not play. Either way, New Orleans will score a little bit against the Packers. However, the Packers will have no problem outscoring them. I got it pretty close in my prediction last week. This week I'll go with:

41 - 24 Packers, although I wouldn't be surprised if we beat them worse than that.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

The Fresno Fraud can’t be counted on to play 16+ games in a season.

This is why you draft DK Metcalf, Riley Ridley, Andy Isabella, Foster Moreau and Josh Jacobs, as I argued in my ingenious 2019 My Mastery Mockery of a Draft.

[George Cumby]

The Fresno Fraud can’t be counted on to play 16+ games in a season.

This is why you draft DK Metcalf, Riley Ridley, Andy Isabella, Foster Moreau and Josh Jacobs, as I argued in my ingenious 2019 My Mastery Mockery of a Draft.

Boring

[Joemailman]

Mike Spofford
@mikespofford
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Kenny Clark practicing again Friday for #Packers. No Davante Adams or Josiah Deguara though. Also, Elgton Jenkins not at practice during media portion. He has not been on the injury report.


If Jenkins were to be out, imagine Turner starts at RG and Patrick at LG.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Today I learned that Ty Monty now plays for the Aints.

[texaspackerbacker]

Jenkins would be a major loss in the game, but undoubtedly there's some explanation other than an injury for him missing practice.

[Fosco33]

Ty, hill, cook, etc. lots of ex packers

[Joemailman]

Jenkins would be a major loss in the game, but undoubtedly there's some explanation other than an injury for him missing practice.

He's on the injury report now.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiyfCERX0AYfe2C?format=jpg&name=large

[Fosco33]

Thomas is out - good news for us

[GB-Brandon]

Rodgers will have to have one hell of a game for us to win based on how this is all shaking out.

“Save us Aaron!!!!”

Some things never change!!!

[RashanGary]

Honestly, I’d rather have health than a win on this one. We get an extra day to get ready for Monday night, then a bye.

With more injuries this year than seemingly ever, I’d rather keep Clark, savage, Jenkins and Adams all out..... let them recover right and then get through next week with nothing long term and get that bye.

After the bye, assuming guys don’t play injured and then tear something else compensating.... after the bye our guys should be healthy and in football shape and ready for a season of football.

[RashanGary]

49ers started getting beat up a little, kept pushing and now they’re missing some really key guys for the season. We’ll have a great chance, if healthy, at 2-1, to push for the 1 seed.

[GB-Brandon]

Honestly, I’d rather have health than a win on this one. We get an extra day to get ready for Monday night, then a bye.

With more injuries this year than seemingly ever, I’d rather keep Clark, savage, Jenkins and Adams all out..... let them recover right and then get through next week with nothing long term and get that bye.

After the bye, assuming guys don’t play injured and then tear something else compensating.... after the bye our guys should be healthy and in football shape and ready for a season of football.

Your forgetting something very important here which is a head to head loss to the Saints.

This could be the difference between playing in the Superdome or Lambeau in January which is a huge deal with potentially fans being in attendance.

[GB-Brandon]

No way Drew Brees marches into a frozen field with howling winds in January at Lambeau and gets a win.

Almost certainly the Packers have little chance Marching into a rocking and fast track Super Dome and getting a win in January either!!

When is the last time the Packers won in New Orleans?

[GB-Brandon]

Answer is “1995”

[GB-Brandon]

Seattle and New Orleans are two places we don’t want to end up in the playoffs.

[GB-Brandon]

We’re a combined 0-7 n our last seven games against NO and Seattle at their house.

Last win in Seattle was 2008.

[GB-Brandon]

It’s all “Fun And Games” until you end up in a playoff game in Seattle or New Orleans. LOL.

[GB-Brandon]

So yeah, Gute’s reckless roster building might cost us Sunday!!!

[Upnorth]

Rodgers will have to have one hell of a game for us to win based on how this is all shaking out.

“Save us Aaron!!!!”

Some things never change!!!

Even if you are 100 % right for the rest if the season the way you phrase stuff makes you look wrong bud. You got to think before you spam

[GB-Brandon]

Even if you are 100 % right for the rest if the season the way you phrase stuff makes you look wrong bud. You got to think before you spam

I’ve been watching this front office closely for 20 plus years. The regression over the last ten has been pathetic. I don’t need to think about much anymore!!!!

[GB-Brandon]

Seems to be the same old mentality to me. Beat up on weaker competition and pound your chest. Run and hide from a big challenger claiming to avenge on another day!!! To bad that day never comes!!!!!

To bad I’m heavy on the game so yes it is “Oh Aaron Save Us!!!

[Vincenzo]

Someone has to post a pic of Aaron Jones with those massive sunglasses on, all I see on the net is a video of him with them on.

[esoxx]

Answer is “1995”

Incorrect

[Joemailman]

Someone has to post a pic of Aaron Jones with those massive sunglasses on, all I see on the net is a video of him with them on.

https://www.korkedbats.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Aaron-Jones.png

[GB-Brandon]

Incorrect

What am I missing?

https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/new-orleans-saints/teamvsteam?opp=12

[Anti-Polar Bear]

What am I missing?

https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/new-orleans-saints/teamvsteam?opp=12

Our beloved Pack last won in the city of “pirates, drunks and whores” (Simpsons reference) in January of ‘97. First play from scrimmage, Favre called an audible and hit Bad Moon Risen for a bomb-6. Des Howard ended up with the MVP award for the game in what turned out to be his one-hit wonder.

[Upnorth]

So I was looking at footballoutsiders. Saints have the 5th most efficient rush defence in terms of dvoa at close to -30% Packers have the most efficient run offence in terms of dvoa at close to +30%. Interesting match up.

[GB-Brandon]

So I was looking at footballoutsiders. Saints have the 5th most efficient rush defence in terms of dvoa at close to -30% Packers have the most efficient run offence in terms of dvoa at close to +30%. Interesting match up.

Yes, this is why I thoroughly explained that the Saints will neutralize or at least slow down Aaron Jones. The Packers will have to ultimately win this game in the air. It is set up perfectly to see if Gute has done what’s necessary to the roster for the Packers to be serious Super Bowl contenders playing without Adams and what their other so called weapons can do.

[texaspackerbacker]

If the Saints choose to stop the run - like the Vikings did, Rodgers will kill them. If they choose to stop the pass, like Detroit did, Jones et al will kill them - and Rodgers will still do a fair amount of damage too.

[GB-Brandon]

If the Saints choose to stop the run - like the Vikings did, Rodgers will kill them. If they choose to stop the pass, like Detroit did, Jones et al will kill them - and Rodgers will still do a fair amount of damage too.

Except the Saints have a much better secondary then the Detroit or Minnesota. Should be a very interesting matchup!!

[GB-Brandon]

The Raiders exposed the Saints with Elite TE play. We don’t have that type of weapon. I also expect a rebound from the Saints defense playing at home. Apparently some fans will be allowed as well.

Any way you look at this Lazard and MVS are going to have to beat much better competition for the Packers to win this game!!

We’re gonna find a lot out tomorrow.

Pretender or Contender?

[GB-Brandon]

We’re not playing some clueless rookie corners this week.

Jenkins and Lattimore can play!

[Vincenzo]

https://www.korkedbats.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Aaron-Jones.png
Thanks joe

[GB-Brandon]

Rodgers is going to have to “Dink And Dunk” down the field on controlled drives and guys like Sternberger and MVS are going to have to catch the ball for us to WIN.

Mistakes will not be afforded tomorrow!!!

[GB-Brandon]

But Hey, its just Spam!!! LOL!

[GB-Brandon]

Thanks joe

Jones is a Stud!!!! I expect the Saints to take him out of the game(which they have the personnel to do) and make our unproven weapons beat their more proven veteran players one on one. Should be fun!!!

[bobblehead]

Even if you are 100 % right for the rest if the season the way you phrase stuff makes you look wrong bud. You got to think before you spam

He summed it up perfectly though. Some things never change.

[bobblehead]

I’ve been watching this front office closely for 20 plus years. The regression over the last ten has been pathetic. I don’t need to think about much anymore!!!!

This is the only one I will bother responding to today. "Regression" to a 13-3 season and NFCC game. Yea...you make sense.

[Upnorth]

He summed it up perfectly though. Some things never change.

Maybe he did maybe he didn't. I have quit reading his stuff. I hope tonyon and Williams have career games.

[Vincenzo]

This is the only one I will bother responding to today. "Regression" to a 13-3 season and NFCC game. Yea...you make sense.
Yeah, what a joke of an organization, Coach Guy Lafleur with his 16-4 NFL Coaching record so far, stinks. And the management upstairs at Lambeau is a disgrace after 16 years of Favre, right up until the current Rodgers Pack era.

[George Cumby]

My brother is a Saints fan. He's not optimistic.

His primary concern is Brees.

[GB-Brandon]

Yeah, what a joke of an organization, Coach Guy Lafleur with his 16-4 NFL Coaching record so far, stinks. And the management upstairs at Lambeau is a disgrace after 16 years of Favre, right up until the current Rodgers Pack era.

Since when are Super Bowls and World Championships not the bar anymore?

[Joemailman]

Since when are Super Bowls and World Championships not the bar anymore?

The Super Bowl is the goal. But people who are actually knowledgeable about the NFL have an appreciation for how difficult it is to win a Super Bowl. They understand that organizations like Green Bay, Seattle, Pittsburgh, Baltimore etc. are among the elite organizations even though they only have 1 relatively recent Lombardi trophy. You obviously do not.

[esoxx]

What am I missing?

https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/new-orleans-saints/teamvsteam?opp=12

They last won in New Orleans 1/26/97. Look it up.

[GB-Brandon]

The Super Bowl is the goal. But people who are actually knowledgeable about the NFL have an appreciation for how difficult it is to win a Super Bowl. They understand that organizations like Green Bay, Seattle, Pittsburgh, Baltimore etc. are among the elite organizations even though they only have 1 relatively recent Lombardi trophy. You obviously do not.

And a lot of people “who are Knowledgeable about the NFL” believe the Packers front office has underperformed getting the necessary talent and support for a generational talent such as Rodgers and the Packers should have MORE SUPER BOWL TROPHIES.

[GB-Brandon]

They last won in New Orleans 1/26/97. Look it up.

I was meaning against the New Orleans Saints. Sorry for the confusion.

[Guiness]

Sheppard was called up from the practice squad, looks bad for Adams playing. He made the trip to NO and is officially listed as doubtful.

Be interesting to see how Sheppard's does. He had a disastrous game last year and I don't think he was seen after that. He reportedly had good camps last year and this year, this will be a chance to show he belongs, hopefully he didn't get the tips again.

[Joemailman]

Saints CB's have been effective. All of passing TD's Saints have given up have been against safeties and linebackers. Saints couldn't stop Raiders TE Monday night (12 catches, 103 yards, 1 TD) so look for LaFleur to target TE's more this week.

Nice to know he listens to me once in a while.