studs & cruds New Orleans edition

[Harlan Huckleby]

stud : Tonyan, Lazarus
crud : every D lineman

[jklowan]

Stud=Arron Rogers, A Jones, M Lewis, R Tonyan

crud = D line and middle linebackers

[Joemailman]

I was a little late with my thread.

Studs

Aaron Rodgers - 283 yards and 3 TD's on a night he didn't have Adams and Jones wasn't special.

Allen #2 WR Stud Lazard - 146 yards and a TD and drew a PI that set up another TD

Robert Tonyan - 5 catches for 50 yards and a TD. Looked legit out there.

Marcedes Lewis - Scored 1 TD and key block on another.

Ty Summers - Overall, a nice job coming off bench.

Mason Crosby - Perfect night.

Kingsley Keke - 2 sacks.

Duds

Adrian Amos - Just seemed consistently out of position and had terrible missed tackle on long Kamara TD

[RashanGary]

Keke had a couple nice plays

[RashanGary]

Rodgers said Marquez was getting extra attention over the top and that opened up the other guys

[RashanGary]

For MVS being such a shitty player, it’s nice to hear defenses give extra attention over the top. Huh. Weird. Almost like they think he’s a deep weapon.

[texaspackerbacker]

Studs: Aaron Rodgers as always. Yes, Lazard and Tonyan - as good as some of us expected, Aaron Jones - a very decent game even though the Saints aimed to stop him cold, and Darnell Savage for being all over the field - yeah, he missed a tackle or two, but he made a lot of plays.

Less studly, but damn good just the same, especially considering expectations: Summers, Burns, and yes, even Burks for being clearly better than Kirksey - addition by subtraction when he went out; Sternberger, who I have absolutely despised before tonight - the kid looked fairly decent; "Big Dog" Lewis excellent blocking all game in addition to the big catch - which was NOT OPI; Mason Crosby for calmly doing his job; Billy Turner for not being as bad as I and maybe other people thought he would be; Ditto that for Montravius Adams. The whole O Line for doing a more than decent job against a damn good defense.

Duds: Nobody better call MVS a dud - the Saints played to stop him, opening up Lazard and the TEs. I'm not gonna call Z. Smith a dud, as N.O. probably game planned to stifle him, but one excellent (and slightly lucky) play doesn't make him an "MVP" as the network claimed.

I'll give J.K.Scott's Bermuda shorts football pants a dud designation - not much of anything else I can think of.

Edit: oh yeah, I forgot Keke as a stud.

[Joemailman]

Rodgers said Marquez was getting extra attention over the top and that opened up the other guys

I thought Rodgers and MVS looked a little out of sync, but Saints corners are really good.

[GB-Brandon]

Aaron Rodgers! He basically took a bunch of jags outside Jones and got a win on a big stage. This to me considering the talent he had to work with was one of his best performances of all time. When you consider we had guys like Shepherd and Taylor that we’re just bodies out there it truly was an amazing performance.

There was a point in the game I thought he had maxed out the personnel we had on the field but once again Rodgers defied all odds and shocked us all getting the best out of players that we wouldn’t expect much from. It just reminds me so much of what Michael Jordan used to do when he played. That same type of ability. Rodgers and Lafleur certainly have it cooking. Hopefully Gute can get the final piece this offense needs to make it complete.

Dud. MVS. It’s plain as day he is a one trick pony and can’t separate or compete against better competition. He is a giant fraud that puts up big stats against weaker competition. Time to find something better!

[Joemailman]

Z was on my dud list until the strip sack/recovery.

[GB-Brandon]

The defense was on my dud list until they showed some heart at the end and got a crucial stop!

[RashanGary]

The refs were on our side. I appreciate that

[HarveyWallbangers]

Stud=Arron Rogers, A Jones, M Lewis, R Tonyan

crud = D line and middle linebackers

Lowry and Lancaster in the duds list. I actually saw Adams and Winn do some positive things. Keke had two sacks. MLBs struggled most of the night, but Summers and Barnes made some plays in the 4th quarter.

Dud - Will Redmond. Time for Raven Greene to take his spot.

[Bossman641]

Dud - tackling. Yeesh

Preston? He seems very slow

I personally didn't understand the defensive game plan. Thought they'd play tight and force Brees to prove he could beat them over the top. D seemed all too willing to let Brees throw short

[GB-Brandon]

I’m curious to know how fast Lazard really is. He was like 10 yards with nobody around him and got caught from behind.

[GB-Brandon]

Dud - tackling. Yeesh

Preston? He seems very slow

I personally didn't understand the defensive game plan. Thought they'd play tight and force Brees to prove he could beat them over the top. D seemed all too willing to let Brees throw short

Yeah. I’ve been noticing that with Preston too. No burst at all.

[GB-Brandon]

Whether we have Kenny Clark or not we have to come to the jesus table that this is probably a mid-tier D at best that can get a few stops and a turnover here and there.

That means we need to “Upgrade The Offense”

The defense is way way way more then a piece away from being elite. It’s probably 3-4 pieces away and a new D coordinator. Accept the fact that the defense is what it is and put the final piece in play into the offense. It’s our best shot.

[Joemailman]

I’m curious to know how fast Lazard really is. He was like 10 yards with nobody around him and got caught from behind.

Fast enough to get 10 yards behind everybody.

[RashanGary]

It’s just nice when our awful WR corps is performing near or even at the top of the entire NFL in terms of production.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Fast enough to get 10 yards behind everybody.

It looked like he stumbled once he got in the open field and decided to turn around to look for a defender. It's actually happened to him a couple of times the last couple of years. Just ran straight ahead, young man.

[RashanGary]

It looked like he stumbled once he got in the open field and decided to turn around to look for a defender. It's actually happened to him a couple of times the last couple of years. Just ran straight ahead, young man.

Yeah. He ran like a bat out of hell on the route. He’s a big dude. He’s more of a burst guy than endurance guy. That was a really long route from the left side of the field all the way down and across to the right. He looked tired to me cuz he ran like a bat outta hell to get there, then slowed down. I’m sure he’s rounding into game shape. I think he’ll finish those as the season progresses

[RashanGary]

In 17 and 18 our WR Corp didn’t perform near the top of the league with Aaron Rodgers at QB. In 19, mostly in their second NFL seasons they didn’t perform at or near the top of the league with AR12 at QB. This year they are. With the same QB.

[RashanGary]

Can’t wait till Adams gets back! AR12 said MVS was getting some extra attention over the top. Can’t really do that with 17 in the game. MVS still gonna make a ton of deep catches once 17 is back and drawing those brackets. Can’t over/under everyone and they’d be insane to pick 83 over 17 to bracket if 17 is healthy

[RashanGary]

91 had some really good rushes against that probowl tackle down the stretch there. He’s still got it.

Gary looked gimpy for a minute then didn’t come back.... I have a feeling he’s gonna miss a little time. Hope Clark is back to make it seamless

[Vincenzo]

Studs has gotta be Lazard and Stoneburner.

Duds was that pansie tackling by the secondary.

[Fritz]

Whether we have Kenny Clark or not we have to come to the jesus table that this is probably a mid-tier D at best that can get a few stops and a turnover here and there.

That means we need to “Upgrade The Offense”

The defense is way way way more then a piece away from being elite. It’s probably 3-4 pieces away and a new D coordinator. Accept the fact that the defense is what it is and put the final piece in play into the offense. It’s our best shot.


Yeah, just like 2011!

This season really is starting to remind me of 2011. That defense is like diarrhea.

Be a great regular season, then a flame-out in the playoffs.

And Zadarius Smith played the run horribly. He kept getting sucked inside then having the r.b. have a lane as wide as a truck to run through.

[texaspackerbacker]

We need to give New Orleans some credit. They're a damn good team.

Our tackling was pretty cruddy, but a large part of that was Kamara's talent - which I underrated previously. (I'd still take Aaron Jones over him, though, all things considered.)

Z. Smith was being asked to play where and how he usually doesn't get asked to play. Mostly he wasn't very good there, although N.O.'s O Line was damn good, and having Kenny Clark in there will help him a lot. I'm more concerned about P. Smith who really hasn't done much all season and Gary, who backslid Sunday - injury or being blocked by all pro OTs or whatever. The kid, Garvin, came in and looked good, though.

It's starting to remind me of the 15-1 season too. Just because we are loaded on O and shaky on D doesn't mean fading in the play-offs, though. I see the whole NFC as a little bit down this season - even before all the injuries, and more so as the season has progressed. I don't see any of them being a match for the Packers. The big challenge will be beating the AFC if we get to the Super Bowl. Probably the two best teams in the league play each other tonight. I can't see the Packers losing to anybody in one big game, but it's pretty hard to see us as good as either of those two teams over a whole season.

[Fritz]

We need to give New Orleans some credit. They're a damn good team.

Our tackling was pretty cruddy, but a large part of that was Kamara's talent - which I underrated previously. (I'd still take Aaron Jones over him, though, all things considered.)

Z. Smith was being asked to play where and how he usually doesn't get asked to play. Mostly he wasn't very good there, although N.O.'s O Line was damn good, and having Kenny Clark in there will help him a lot. I'm more concerned about P. Smith who really hasn't done much all season and Gary, who backslid Sunday - injury or being blocked by all pro OTs or whatever. The kid, Garvin, came in and looked good, though.

It's starting to remind me of the 15-1 season too. Just because we are loaded on O and shaky on D doesn't mean fading in the play-offs, though. I see the whole NFC as a little bit down this season - even before all the injuries, and more so as the season has progressed. I don't see any of them being a match for the Packers. The big challenge will be beating the AFC if we get to the Super Bowl. Probably the two best teams in the league play each other tonight. I can't see the Packers losing to anybody in one big game, but it's pretty hard to see us as good as either of those two teams over a whole season.


Where was Z. Smith being asked to play that he's unfamiliar with. I do not know of what you speak. A d who is this Garvin? What position?

[George Cumby]

Stud: LaFlleur. The guys play-calling is unpredictable and fun to watch.

[CaptainKickass]

Bacon Double Sternberger appears to be earning his cheese.

[George Cumby]

Bacon Double Sternberger appears to be earning his cheese.

I want some fries with that.

[smuggler]

We lost the battle in the trenches on both sides of the ball (excepting pass protection), but we still managed to win the game. Would be kind of dishonest to name anyone off the lines as a dud in this game, really.

[smuggler]

(I'd still take Aaron Jones over him, though, all things considered.)

I believed this until last night. I am not so sure any more. But the Saints offensive line was working our D-line and still Kamara could not rack up rushing yards, which would have won the Saints the game. I suspect as a traditional runner, Jones offers more, but Kamara was lethal in the receiving game where we knew Brees was contained to inside of 25 yards. That counts for a lot.

[texaspackerbacker]

Where was Z. Smith being asked to play that he's unfamiliar with. I do not know of what you speak. A d who is this Garvin? What position?

A lot of the time, he was playing inside even in running situations, and he kinda got pushed around - not all the time, but some. I didn't say he never plays inside, just not as much as Sunday. And it's obviously made worse by not having Clark there.

You seriously don't know who Jonathan Garvin is? A UDFA who supposedly looked good in camp and won a spot as an outside rusher - #53. He got closer to Brees than Gary or P. Smith on Sunday.

[texaspackerbacker]

We lost the battle in the trenches on both sides of the ball (excepting pass protection), but we still managed to win the game. Would be kind of dishonest to name anyone off the lines as a dud in this game, really.

I'd just say Aaron Rodgers was better than Brees by a bigger margin than the rest of the Saints were better than the rest of the Packers. Yeah, our O and D lines got outplayed, but by generally better personnel.

Oh no, Brandon is probably gonna agree with me now hahahahahahahahaha.

[Upnorth]

Stud: LaFlleur. The guys play-calling is unpredictable and fun to watch.

100% agree

[Harlan Huckleby]

Sternberger looked awfully excited when he caught a pass. Maybe that was his first career reception? He looked a bit surprised too.

It's a bit soon to say any of the TEs are more than JAGs. For sure Mercedes Lewis is a heck of a swing tackle.
I'd say the TEs are good enough, smart enough, and dog-gone-it people like um.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Sternberger looked awfully excited when he caught a pass. Maybe that was his first career reception? He looked a bit surprised too.

It's a bit soon to say any of the TEs are more than JAGs. For sure Mercedes Lewis is a heck of a swing tackle.
I'd say the TEs are good enough, smart enough, and dog-gone-it people like um.

First regular season catch. He did have a 3 catches in the playoffs last year--including the TD against San Francisco.

[bobblehead]

Can’t wait till Adams gets back! AR12 said MVS was getting some extra attention over the top. Can’t really do that with 17 in the game. MVS still gonna make a ton of deep catches once 17 is back and drawing those brackets. Can’t over/under everyone and they’d be insane to pick 83 over 17 to bracket if 17 is healthy

I've been on the MVS wagon, and the deep stuff was being taken from him, but he should have been able to get 5 grabs underneath given that...but like a great QB does, ARod took what the saints gave him and turned in a nice game...almost as good of a game as Brees had.

[bobblehead]

Studs has gotta be Lazard and Stoneburner.

Duds was that pansie tackling by the secondary.

I thought Tonyan played a better game than stormbringer. Both showed up when needed though, and that is nice.

[bobblehead]

Yeah, just like 2011!

This season really is starting to remind me of 2011. That defense is like diarrhea.

Be a great regular season, then a flame-out in the playoffs.

And Zadarius Smith played the run horribly. He kept getting sucked inside then having the r.b. have a lane as wide as a truck to run through.

Yep. Z is a pass rush specialist. I haven't seen him stonewall a running play since arriving. Its my fear of what gary will become. Montez Sweat is a stud. Sets the edge, gets pressure. A complete player in the Preston Smith role.

[Joemailman]

I think Sternberger was relieved after a couple of drops last week. I think he's a natural pass catcher who will be fine. I love the Packers TE group. They all bring a little something different, and they have a coach who knows how to utilize them.

[bobblehead]

I'd just say Aaron Rodgers was better than Brees by a bigger margin than the rest of the Saints were better than the rest of the Packers. Yeah, our O and D lines got outplayed, but by generally better personnel.

Oh no, Brandon is probably gonna agree with me now hahahahahahahahaha.

PASSING Comp Att Pct Yds TD Int QBR
Aaron Rodgers 21 32 65.6 283 3 0 134.6


PASSING Comp Att Pct Yds TD Int QBR
Drew Brees 29 36 80.6 288 3 0 136.1

I would say they were very comparable...but Brees is like 102 now. Birthday coming, so almost 103.

[run pMc]

Brees didn't throw many passes more than 10 yards past the LOS. Kamara did all the work. They were all easy dump offs on an option route every team with a pass catching back should use (if LB uses outside leverage, cut inside; if LB is using inside leverage, cut outside).
Was easy pitch and catch, almost like when Holmgren would have Favre throw to Harry Sydney or William Henderson to make the short passing game an extension of the running game.

Seriously, it was some point early in the 3Q when I thought they should just put Jaire on Kamara and have the CBs press the other receivers (or at least play up on them to tighten the passing windows).
Belichick woulda taken Kamara out of the game in halftime adjustments (if not before kickoff). With Thomas sidelined and Kamara bottled up, Brees wouldn't have the arm to laser into tight spaces.

[Guiness]

I was a little late with my thread.

Studs

Allen #2 WR Stud Lazard - 146 yards and a TD and drew a PI that set up another TD



I guess we're giving him a pass on that -2yd rush where first contact was behind the LOS? :huh:

lol, wow was that an ugly play. I wonder what the flower saw that made him run that play? In the MM days I always hated the handoffs to Cobb.

[texaspackerbacker]

I hate having them run end arounds or other wide plays to the short side of the field. I'm thinking they were still on the early game script at the time. Run that play to the wide side even with Lazard and see what happens.

[CaptainKickass]

Bacon Double Sternberger appears to be earning his cheese.


I want some fries with that.

I think Bacon Double Sternberger will have plenty of opportunities to earn additional toppings this season - lettuce, tomato, pickles, heck maybe even some sauteed onions.

(Fries come with the "Basket". Beer Battered Tonyan Rings® are extra)

[Joemailman]

I think Bacon Double Sternberger will have plenty of opportunities to earn additional toppings this season - lettuce, tomato, pickles, heck maybe even some sauteed onions.

(Fries come with the "Basket". Beer Battered Tonyan Rings® are extra)

Can you order working class food like that from a LUXURY AUTOMOBILE?

[George Cumby]

Can you order working class food like that from a LUXURY AUTOMOBILE?

Pardon me, do you happen to have any Grey Poupon?

[bobblehead]

Brees didn't throw many passes more than 10 yards past the LOS. Kamara did all the work. They were all easy dump offs on an option route every team with a pass catching back should use (if LB uses outside leverage, cut inside; if LB is using inside leverage, cut outside).
Was easy pitch and catch, almost like when Holmgren would have Favre throw to Harry Sydney or William Henderson to make the short passing game an extension of the running game.

Seriously, it was some point early in the 3Q when I thought they should just put Jaire on Kamara and have the CBs press the other receivers (or at least play up on them to tighten the passing windows).
Belichick woulda taken Kamara out of the game in halftime adjustments (if not before kickoff). With Thomas sidelined and Kamara bottled up, Brees wouldn't have the arm to laser into tight spaces.

So Brees took what we gave him. Thats a negative? Everyone is telling me he can't throw it over 11 yards, but he still diced us. Kamara did a lot of the work, yes. Jones did a lot of the work as well. Its a team game. Brees was down his top WR as well. He didn't have a Lazard to take the reigns. An MVS to stretch the D, yet he Matched Rodgers and put 30 on us. Rodgers was GREAT. Brees was GREAT. The stats are what they are.

[run pMc]

So Brees took what we gave him. Thats a negative? Everyone is telling me he can't throw it over 11 yards, but he still diced us. Kamara did a lot of the work, yes. Jones did a lot of the work as well. Its a team game. Brees was down his top WR as well. He didn't have a Lazard to take the reigns. An MVS to stretch the D, yet he Matched Rodgers and put 30 on us. Rodgers was GREAT. Brees was GREAT. The stats are what they are.

Not a negative at all, other than it didn't require much more than average arm strength or accuracy. My point was Brees' stats looked pretty darn good (and they were) but Kamara should get a lot of the credit, since he did a lot of the work in the form of YAC. If you went purely by Brees' stats vs. Rodgers, you might have expected NO to have won by a FG...but as they say stats don't tell the whole story.

I give credit to NO (and Brees) for working with what they have and being competitive.