Endeavor To Draft Trevor Thread

[Joemailman]

The battle to get the 1st pick in the NFL Draft to take Trevor Lawrence has been engaged. The top contenders as of now:

1. New York Jets 0-3 Current quarterback: Sam Darnold

2. Atlanta Falcons 0-3 Current quarterback: Matt Ryan

3. New York Giants 0-3 Current quarterback: Daniel Jones

4. Minnesota Vikings 0-3 Current quarterback: Kurt Cousins

5. Denver Broncos 0-3 Current quarterback: Drew Lock (Injured)

6. Houston Texans 0-3 Current quarterback: Deshaun Watson

7. Philly Eagles 0-2-1 Current quarterback: Carson Wentz

8. Cincy Bengals 0-2-1 Current quarterback: Joe Burrow

Houston and Cincy are the 2 teams that I would say would not take him. All others are possibilities.

[call_me_ishmael]

Yeah I think that's a reasonable take. If he truly is the next Peyton Manning, then you've gotta take him even if you picked Darnold at 3, Jones at 7 or whatever, etc. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

[texaspackerbacker]

Are you kidding, Joe? Denver and maybe Philly would be the most likely to want or need him, maybe Atlanta if they let him sit for a couple of years, and none of those teams are likely to end up with the very worst record. The worst teams are pretty well locked into expensive or young highly touted QBs.

As for Lawrence, CMI, he's most likely to be the next Joe Burrow - a very good prospect but not an immediate world beater or even an absolute sure thing long term.

[Joemailman]

Are you kidding, Joe? Denver and maybe Philly would be the most likely to want or need him, maybe Atlanta if they let him sit for a couple of years, and none of those teams are likely to end up with the very worst record. The worst teams are pretty well locked into expensive or young highly touted QBs.

As for Lawrence, CMI, he's most likely to be the next Joe Burrow - a very good prospect but not an immediate world beater or even an absolute sure thing long term.

I listed the teams in the order that the draft would be as of right now.

Some people think he's the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck. If teams like Giants and Jets think he's that good, I think they would take him over what they have now.

[bobblehead]

Yeah I think that's a reasonable take. If he truly is the next Peyton Manning, then you've gotta take him even if you picked Darnold at 3, Jones at 7 or whatever, etc. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Burrow is the next Peyton. Lawrence is unique. More mobile than most his size. He is closer to Rodgers than Manning.

If I were GM of any of those teams except Cincinatti I would draft him. If Cincy gets the pick dish it for a haul.

[bobblehead]

Burrow is the next Peyton. Lawrence is unique. More mobile than most his size. He is closer to Rodgers than Manning.

If I were GM of any of those teams except Cincinatti I would draft him. If Cincy gets the pick dish it for a haul.

Best comps. ARod, Cam Newton, Luck. But like I said. Unique. Not as deadly a passer as ARod or Luck, not as mobile as Cam. He will be similar to Cam without the trucking of Dbacks I would think. No goal line carries as he is not as durable as Cam, but neither was cam for a 2 year stint.

[texaspackerbacker]

Bobblehead, those two posts seem contradictory. The first says Lawrence is the greatest thing since sliced bread; The second says he is pretty ordinary.

I think if almost any of those teams get the #1 pick, they will do their best to trade for that haul.

[Joemailman]

Sam Darnold injured. Jets now clear favorite.

[Joemailman]

Current Standings:

1. New York Jets 0-4

2. New York Giants 0-4

3. Atlanta 0-4

4. Houston 0-4

[Upnorth]

I kinda hope the Jets get him. It's awesome seeing there hopes dashed against the rocks year after year. But for Lawrence's sake I hope they don't.

[run pMc]

My nightmare scenario is the Vikings trade up or just manage to go 2-14 and pick him, and he goes on to torment the NFCN for 15 years in purple.
Actually, if this happened for the Bears or even the Lions it would also be a nightmare scenario, but those seem less likely (DET likes Stafford, and CHI is 3-1 with a good defense).

To me, the Jets or the Jags make the most sense.

[RashanGary]

My son is a giants fan. I watch all of the giants games on game pass. I like Daniel Jones a lot. I'd love to see the Giants get the number one pick and then move down one or two spots and pick up two 1s and two 2s for the #1 pick.

[RashanGary]

If the giants can get another DT and an edge over the next two years, theyd have an extremely talent laden defense to dominate the NFCW with

[RashanGary]

After making a failed attempt at being a gambler the last two seasons, I watched a lot of football. People here who talk about receivers are kind of laughable to me.

I see maybe 10 good DTs in the whole league and probably 70 good WRs.

The Giants landed a good DT in Dexter Lawrence last year. If he works at his craft he could be in the up and coming group of 10. I'd love to see them somehow luck into one more. They'd be the one team in the league who could consistently menace the QB from the inside. Well, maybe two teams if Aaron Donald keeps up his level of play.

As for the Packers, we have Clark, in the top 5 and keke developing into one of the top 20 (servicable bigs.) The rest of the NFL is a bunch of Lowrys and Lancasters.

[RashanGary]

If I was a GM for a bad team, outside of finding a HOF QB, the next biggest prayer would be to somehow have two of the 10 good DTs in the league on my team.

[RashanGary]

Or maybe the Giants could trade into the #2 spot and grab the Sewell kid from the northwest. Looks like best OT prospect in 20 years. The kid they drafted this year is playing well, for a kid. Move him to the right and have the generational LT on Jones blind side. Then just hope the young guys in the middle develop.

Either way, I'm pulling for the Giants to land the top pick and trade out. They're so young, and in some ways playing like shit. But they landed a QB, DT and LT in the last couple drafts and I love their future. One more stud big guy and they have a recipe for lasting success

[Upnorth]

I don't know how you van pull for the Giants. 2007 and 2011 hurt man

[bobblehead]

Bobblehead, those two posts seem contradictory. The first says Lawrence is the greatest thing since sliced bread; The second says he is pretty ordinary.

I think if almost any of those teams get the #1 pick, they will do their best to trade for that haul.

I can only assume you think Cam is "ordinary" and that is how you drew that conclusion. Cam is a former Heisman winner, National Champion, MVP and Owl attendee. I don't think he is the greatest thing, I think he will be a really good QB, but where it was near guaranteed that Burrow translated to the pros, Lawrence isn't a LOCK.

[bobblehead]

After making a failed attempt at being a gambler the last two seasons, I watched a lot of football. People here who talk about receivers are kind of laughable to me.

I see maybe 10 good DTs in the whole league and probably 70 good WRs.

The Giants landed a good DT in Dexter Lawrence last year. If he works at his craft he could be in the up and coming group of 10. I'd love to see them somehow luck into one more. They'd be the one team in the league who could consistently menace the QB from the inside. Well, maybe two teams if Aaron Donald keeps up his level of play.

As for the Packers, we have Clark, in the top 5 and keke developing into one of the top 20 (servicable bigs.) The rest of the NFL is a bunch of Lowrys and Lancasters.

There is a reason mock drafts always have 8 WR going in the 1st round, but the real drafts always have 20 big men going in the first round.

[texaspackerbacker]

I can only assume you think Cam is "ordinary" and that is how you drew that conclusion. Cam is a former Heisman winner, National Champion, MVP and Owl attendee. I don't think he is the greatest thing, I think he will be a really good QB, but where it was near guaranteed that Burrow translated to the pros, Lawrence isn't a LOCK.

Well, as a matter of fact ....... hahahahaha.

Maybe what I should have said is that your second of those two posts is contradictory in and of itself - comparing in one line Lawrence to the GOAT and Cam and Andrew Luck. Luck is out of football at age 31 after a not very distinguished career. Cam is good in a lot of ways, but I'd say he is far from the best black QB, also far from the best mobile running QB, and certainly very far from the best passing QB. That puts him probably above ordinary, but very much below Rodgers or probably Mahomes or Lamar Jackson, although those last two need to do it at a high level for a decade or so to get top level status.

I agree, Lawrence isn't a "lock", and neither is Burrow. I wouldn't bet against either being great, even Hall of Fame level before they are through, but there's only one Aaron Rodgers, and I absolutely would bet against either of them reaching THAT level.

[run pMc]

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[run pMc]

True - Lawrence is not a lock. He's pretty good and has had lots of seasoning in the ACC and playing at highest levels of CFB, which is saying something.
Jury's out on Burrow, but I liked his pocket presence, accuracy and decision making at LSU and I think it will eventually translate.

Luck was a good player who couldn't stay healthy and decided he'd had enough of rehab. I don't blame him for limping away while he still could. The guy had a lacerated liver or something at one point.

re: Cam, he's a good but not great QB. He used to do some amazing things with his feet and size, but I think age and hits are going to get him. Unreal athlete, still has lapses in decision making or reading coverage...but he can run an offense to the playoffs. I don't think he can carry one to the Owl anymore...not without some great supporting players. Jackson and Mahomes are the current "It" QBs, and they are good.
Rodgers is having a pretty darn good year so far as well, and I'm enjoying it immensely. A lot of the chatter is that he and Wilson are the MVP frontrunners after 4 games.

It's great to have an elite QB on your team.

I've leave it to others to debate whether Lawrence will be elite.

[Guiness]

Current Standings:

1. New York Jets 0-4

2. New York Giants 0-4

3. Atlanta 0-4

4. Houston 0-4

I see you've removed the NFCE leading (:roll:) Eagles from contention

[Joemailman]

Looked like Jets might put their lead in jeopardy. But no, they came through. Call it The Flacco Factor.

[Joemailman]

Quite a race between Jets and Jaguars. Jets are 0-12 and Jaguars are 1-11. If they tie, I believe tie-breaker is strength of schedule. Right now Jags have the weaker SOS, so they would be #1. Jets remaining schedule is
@Seahawks, @Rams, vs Browns, @Patriots. Jags have vs Titans, @Ravens, vs Bears, @Colts.

[RashanGary]

I kinda hope jags get that QB. Jets will ruin whoever they get. Jags have a chance to do something with it.

[call_me_ishmael]

Yeah that Jags really have a track record of excellence and developing players into something special. IMO, Jets are gonna turn it around long before the Jags do.

[smuggler]

Jags have an owner that wants to win. Eventually he's going to get what he wants. I do not see that same thing in Jersey.

[texaspackerbacker]

I kinda hope jags get that QB. Jets will ruin whoever they get. Jags have a chance to do something with it.

Exactly why I'd root for the Jets to keep on losing, We don't need another non-ruined star QB in the league.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I kinda hope jags get that QB. Jets will ruin whoever they get. Jags have a chance to do something with it.

What the fuck happened to your arousal for Uncle Rico? I thought Gardner Minshew was the greatest thing since Pornhub.

[RashanGary]

What the fuck happened to your arousal for Uncle Rico? I thought Gardner Minshew was the greatest thing since Pornhub.

Minshew played really well last year. Kind of a Matt Flynn sort of talent. But you can't pass up on a guy like Lawrence when you get the chance

[Joemailman]

Jets need to hire a football guy and let him run the football operations. When Jets owner Woody Johnson became an ambassador a few years ago, his brother Chris took over the team. Chris Johnson hired Gase. Gotta be tough to be a Jets fan.

[run pMc]

Gase is garbage as a head coach and that whole organization is a mess. They usually screw up their draft, and even when they do get talent they just ruin it.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/draft.htm

If the Jags get first pick and don't take Lawrence, you'd hope it was because they traded down for a ton of other picks a la RG3 or Ricky Williams. Minshew is ok at best, he can win a few games for you but he's not a franchise QB IMO. He'd be a great backup a la Fitzmagic, and he's only in his 2nd season.

[Joemailman]

Jaguars lose 31-10. Jets lose 40-3. Obviously Jets want it more.

[Zool]

I'm speculating here from box scores, but how bad is the Jets O-Line? Stats would say horrendous

[run pMc]

Spent about 5 minutes on the Google to look up the J-E-T-S. Their OL is a mess, sounds like only Mekhi Becton is any good. They have Greg Van Roten on the roster (he's on IR) for heaven's sake. Minny let Elflein go because he wasn't cutting it, and he's starting for NYJ. Oh, and they are starting George Fant, formerly a tire fire for Seattle.

https://www.theundroppables.com/rankings/offensive-line/
https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/nyj

Looking at the Jets roster, they are just a disaster. Yikes.

[Joemailman]

Jets win! Jaguars now have #1 pick because they have played the weaker schedule.

Remaining games:

Jets: vs Cleveland, @ New England
Jags: vs Chicago, at Indy.

[Bretsky]

Jets win! Jaguars now have #1 pick because they have played the weaker schedule.

Remaining games:

Jets: vs Cleveland, @ New England
Jags: vs Chicago, at Indy.




I think Trevor is a happy man today !

[Joemailman]

I think Trevor is a happy man today !

I agree. Jets are an absolute mess. Classic case of a franchise that needs to hire football guy and let him run the football team while they run the business. Probably won't though.

[MadScientist]

As noted in the half time show, the Jets can't even get losing right.

[Zool]

I agree. Jets are an absolute mess. Classic case of a franchise that needs to hire football guy and let him run the football team while they run the business. Probably won't though.

Plus no state income tax in Florida.

[Joemailman]

Congrats to the Jaguars who have clinched the 1st pick in the NFL Draft. When you give up 41 to the Bears, you've earned it.

[RashanGary]

The Jaguars have so much fucking money to spend in the COVID cap. They gonna win a title in the next 5 years fo sho!

[Joemailman]

The Jaguars have so much fucking money to spend in the COVID cap. They gonna win a title in the next 5 years fo sho!

And they have 2 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks this year. They should have their pick of the top GM and HC candidates as soon as the season is over. Assuming, of course, that Trevor applies for the draft.:-)