Studs And Duds - Packers vs. Texans

[Joemailman]

Studs:

Aaron Rodgers: 23-34, 283 yards, 4 TD, 132.4 Rating

Davante Adams - 13 catches, 196 yards, 2 TD's

Jamaal Williams - 77 rushing yards and a TD, 37 receiving yards.

J.K. Scott - 4 punts for 51.8 average.

Preston Smith - Definitely more active Today, and TFL on 4th down.

Jaire Alexander - Shut down Fuller until garbage time TD

Wagner and Turner - Held up just fine without Bakhtiari

Mike Pettine - Bend but don't break defense was right call against team with quality receivers, and with King and Savage out.

Duds

A.J. Dillon - 5 carries for 11 yards against poor run defense. Looks tentative.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Dillon has looked fine, but he missed some holes today.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

97 is a dud. Got pancaked a tons vs the run. Was less than vanilla vs the pass. D was actually better with Keke and Adams on the field, and 97 right beside the Northwestern Milksops on the bench.

24 is also a dud. Watson picked on 24’s cherry all day.

Tex said last season that MVS was gonna have a better career than DK Metcalf.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I noticed early in the game before the first punt that Scott looked like he was standing closer than normal on his punts. First one almost got blocked. He was two years closer than the Texans punter. Not sure what that is all about.

[HarveyWallbangers]

ARod had great stats, but I thought he was off today. Not nearly as accurate as he was the first four weeks. Hope his mechanics aren’t getting away from him after last week.

[GB-Brandon]

ARod had great stats, but I thought he was off today. Not nearly as accurate as he was the first four weeks. Hope his mechanics aren’t getting away from him after last week.

He is literally locking in on Adams on just about every play. I’m not sure where else you expect him to go unless it’s a designed play to scheme someone else open pre-snap.

[beveaux1]

ARod had great stats, but I thought he was off today. Not nearly as accurate as he was the first four weeks. Hope his mechanics aren’t getting away from him after last week.

I wonder about the same thing. Adams was phenomenal. Caught nearly everything Rodgers threw and quite a few were off the mark.

[Joemailman]

Lafleur said Rodgers made some great throws against some tough looks. Was Rodgers maybe throwing away from coverage on some of the throws that looked off?

[GB-Brandon]

Its because Aaron and Adams are Playing backyard football due to the overall talent deficiencies the Packers have on offense. It’s very hard to run through the scheme and rely on timing and perfect drops etc etc when 70 percent of your skilled position players aren’t up to snuff. And this was against another bum defense.

Once again. Rodgers was literally dropping back and and locking and loading and going to Adams just about every pass play. Today it worked. Last week it didn’t.

[texaspackerbacker]

I sort of agree with what Harvey said about Rodgers, although he was still damn good. It was like no way in hell he was gonna throw a pick. Tentative that way is a good thing. I like Dashaun Watson. He's got a lot of Rodgers in him.

Other than that one sack that didn't count because of the penalty, Turner wasn't bad. Mostly, though, it was Rodgers avoiding pressure either with the quick release a lot of people like or the mobility I like. That's the closest I'll come to saying they missed Bakhtiari - Turner was slightly worse in pass prote. ction. They couldn't run over Turner, but that's same as with Bakhtiari. They also couldn't run over Wagner - same ol same ol'. I will give Jenkins, Linsley, and even Patrick stud status for opening some good holes in the middle. I'll also give LaFleur, Stenavich or whoever stud credit for not switching Jenkins away from Guard. As I've said many many times, in the Packers offense and with Aaron Rodgers' mobility, OT just isn't nearly as important a position as OG. I'll give J. Williams a degree of stud status for an overall good game. Just the same, I bet Aaron Jones with the same quality of blocking would have gained a helluva lot more. Dillon didn't and doesn't impress me much at all. They talk about RBs having "vision"; Well, Dillon doesn't have it. And for all the talk about Earl Campbell thighs, he sure doesn't break many tackles. I was hoping to see Dexter Williams run. Yes, MVS was pretty much a dud today. APB, I may have to retract what you quoted me on from last year, although I fully expect him to be a helluva lot better than he was today, Davante wasn't Davante last week. He must have had a Snickers bar this week, though. Tonyan had the big play, but I suspect he wasn't 100% since he didn't do much else.

I wouldn't give Preston Smith stud status. He made exactly one play, and if Watson had the good sense to pitch it on that one play, it looked like the trailer had a lot of yards. After the good games Chandon Sullivan has had, they used Raven Greene at Slot Corner today, and he was not nearly as good as Sullivan in coverage. I wouldn't call Greene a dud, though, because he was good against the run. It was stud/dud/stud at ILB - Barnes damn good until hurt, Summers worthless as his replacement, and Martin damn good after that. I'm not gonna call Zakarius a stud, because even though he made several great plays, it seemed like he got pushed around and/or took himself out of a lot of other plays. Jaire was damn good - as usual. Josh Jackson - who I like and so many other seem to hate - was more than adequate, better again IMO than Kevin King. Amos had his best game this year, maybe ever as a Packer. I'm glad they did some blitzing with DBs. I'd like to see more of it.

Great game. The D is coming around a little bit, although the lack of turnovers and the failure in garbage time prevent D was a little bit annoying.

[Bretsky]

Did you really say MVS was going to do as well as Matcalf ? MVS can't carry his jock strap.

Alexander is Prime Time; he's a great QB

[MadtownPacker]

Player of the game:

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Shove your Fresno fraud and “is he really a number #1” spew far up your Big10 loving culos!!

[KYPack]

You mean culo, don't ya?

I was paranoid going into this game. It seemed to have real trap potential.

If I post about a possible loss, it feels like bad luck.

Glad I was wrong.

Let's take this win and head back to the Bay.

[RashanGary]

I thought the DL looked incredibly active and aggressive. Adams splashed a little. Keke splashed. Clark is rounding into shape. Lowry didn’t look like a liability. The DL is looking better than it’s looked in quite some time.

[RashanGary]

I thought the DL looked incredibly active and aggressive. Adams splashed a little. Keke splashed. Clark is rounding into shape. Lowry didn’t look like a liability. The DL is looking better than it’s looked in quite some time.

[Bretsky]

our offense dominates sup par defenses. Lowry is a nice backup.

Good win

[Bretsky]

RUSS WILSON throws the best deep ball in the game; not even close IMO

[call_me_ishmael]

RUSS WILSON throws the best deep ball in the game; not even close IMO

Pretty much every throw is just so pretty. I watched the old school QB style competition with him throwing at moving targets a long way away and it was incredible how good he was at it. Awe inspiring.

[Joemailman]

I thought the DL looked incredibly active and aggressive. Adams splashed a little. Keke splashed. Clark is rounding into shape. Lowry didn’t look like a liability. The DL is looking better than it’s looked in quite some time.

D is rounding into shape. Line is playing well,
Preston Smith showed today, and Alexander is pitching shutouts. It would be interesting to see what they look like if they could ever get all their LB's healthy at the same time.

[RashanGary]

D is rounding into shape. Line is playing well,
Preston Smith showed today, and Alexander is pitching shutouts. It would be interesting to see what they look like if they could ever get all their LB's healthy at the same time.

For sure. Kirksey might not be the answer, but he’s a vet and can be counted on. Barnes splashes every week. Kamal splashed today. Long term, it looks like a good twosome with Barnes and Kamal. Pettine gonna be looking a lot smarter if that’s the case.

[RashanGary]

our offense dominates sup par defenses. Lowry is a nice backup.

Good win

It looks like both Lowry and Lancaster are backups now or at least both will be spelled a lot by the other guys. Lowry and Lancaster fresh and basically bench players is a big upgrade over them starting.

[texaspackerbacker]

I like the rotation of D Linemen. A lot of shit has been spewed about Clark. I doubt he is 100% yet. I'm still negative about the Northwestern duo of duds. Montravious has been more than decent. Keke hasn't been as good as earlier in the season, but still ok. I like Billy Winn. Keep Lowery and Lancaster if we must keep them, but as #5 and 6 D Linemen.

I hope Kirksey never sees the field except maybe special teams. Barnes and Martin have both looked like real honest-to-goodness NFL ILBs. Summers stunk today, but even he has played better than Kirksey before the injury.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I like the rotation of D Linemen. A lot of shit has been spewed about Clark. I doubt he is 100% yet. I'm still negative about the Northwestern duo of duds. Montravious has been more than decent. Keke hasn't been as good as earlier in the season, but still ok. I like Billy Winn. Keep Lowery and Lancaster if we must keep them, but as #5 and 6 D Linemen.

I hope Kirksey never sees the field except maybe special teams. Barnes and Martin have both looked like real honest-to-goodness NFL ILBs. Summers stunk today, but even he has played better than Kirksey before the injury.

Capt Kirk is the Packers’ best cover LB. Without Kirksey, opposing offenses have been able to exploit the middle of the field with ease. Perhaps Barnes was playing the “Red Sparrow” defense (the antithesis of the “Pistol Force”) where his primary assignment was to “spy” on Watson, not coverage. But Barnes sure as fuck looked a lot like Martinez patrolling the middle. Recall that Martinez was an abomination in coverage.

I, for one, would like to see Ole Kirk back at the Mike.

[Joemailman]

It looks like both Lowry and Lancaster are backups now or at least both will be spelled a lot by the other guys. Lowry and Lancaster fresh and basically bench players is a big upgrade over them starting.

It's a real rotation right now. Snap counts:

Kenny Clark - 43-63%
Kingsley Keke - 30-44%
Dean - Lowry - 29-43%
Mont.Adams - 23-34%
Billy Winn - 6-9%

[RashanGary]

It's a real rotation right now. Snap counts:

Kenny Clark - 43-63%
Kingsley Keke - 30-44%
Dean - Lowry - 29-43%
Mont.Adams - 23-34%
Billy Winn - 6-9%

Nice!

Lancaster has a spot when he gets back I’m sure. Even if its only short yardage, he brings a little something and protects against injury. Winn too. He’s basically a cheaper Lowry. He protects against injury. I think we need all of our guys because none of them are good enough to be “the guy”. They need a rotation so they’re playing fresh and with an advantage.

We’re actually in a really good spot to keep them healthy too. If someone is dinged up, you can afford to sit them for a week or two because the other guys are there.

[run pMc]

Montravius had a couple of decent plays but he was also on the ground or moved out of his gap more than I'd like to see. He's either very good or very bad. Josh Jackson is the same. The DL was ok in this game but HOU doesn't exactly have a top 10 OL. The OLBs got some pressure but this defense looks like it's talented but dumb. I don't get a sense they play smart and I don't know if that's coaching or instincts.

Kamal Martin didn't embarrass himself, which is a good sign. Ty Summers couldn't stay with David Johnson on that end zone throw. Krys Barnes absence was noticed at times. Burks didn't look bad but he's gotta be last on the ILB depth chart. I had high hopes for him when he was picked but that he still isn't playing much is a bad and telling sign.

Raven Greene seemed to get picked on by Randall Cobb and Watson, but if Jaire and Sullivan are shutting down the other receivers (they did a nice job on Fuller, and kept Cooks under wraps) Cobb is past the stage where he'll kill you like Davante. Will Redmond did good enough, and it was interesting to see Vernon Scott got snaps.
I continue to think the outside CBs give about 2 yards too much cushion. Amos struggled as the single high safety but played decent otherwise. The secondary overall held up ok with replacements, considering they were without half their starters (King and Savage).

On offense, Billy Turner is not Bahktiari but he held on there. Wagner had some ugly moments against Watt, but he's clearly better at RT. Rodgers and the team played with a chip and it was obvious GB was the better team from the kickoff. Adams went off, based on body language Rodgers likes Malik Taylor, and MVS...had a few good blocks and um...ran a nice end around? Tonyan and the other TEs chipped in a little but I expected more from them. Jamaal Williams made some money today and played tough as always. Nothing spectacular but just efficient enough. AJ Dillon slipped on one run and ran into a brick wall on two other runs, he didn't look great but the blocking wasn't really there either. Nice to see him get snaps and that they sent him on routes etc. was nice. Dexter Williams is on thin ice after allowing that punt block; I noticed they put Jamaal in his spot as edge protector on the next punt.

Getting Bahk and Jones back next week vs. Minny will be important. Gotta beat division teams to make the playoffs.

[RashanGary]

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Getting Bahk and Jones back next week vs. Minny will be important. Gotta beat division teams to make the playoffs.



Interesting observations overall. I don’t know if Bakh is needed in the next one. Minny is without Griffen, Hunter and now Yannick too. I don’t picture them being able to exploit Turner much more than Houston did. I hate to say it, but I wanna see another game without Bakh and then maybe an actual tough DE vs Turner to see what life after Bakh might look like

[texaspackerbacker]

Capt Kirk is the Packers’ best cover LB. Without Kirksey, opposing offenses have been able to exploit the middle of the field with ease. Perhaps Barnes was playing the “Red Sparrow” defense (the antithesis of the “Pistol Force”) where his primary assignment was to “spy” on Watson, not coverage. But Barnes sure as fuck looked a lot like Martinez patrolling the middle. Recall that Martinez was an abomination in coverage.

I, for one, would like to see Ole Kirk back at the Mike.

Based on what I saw, Ty Summers was the only one taken advantage of Sunday. Barnes and Martin did all right. And I've never seen anything good from Kirksey against either runs or passes.

[texaspackerbacker]

Turner was blocking most of the game against Whitney Mercilus - no slouch of a pass rusher. I certainly wouldn't say Turner dominated him, but Rodgers, after that first sack (which didn't count due to the penalty) when he underestimated Mercilus' speed, was able to make do with less than perfect pass blocking - as he pretty much has done for his whole career.

I hope we can find a way to keep Jamal Williams, but decent as he was, he ain't Aaron Jones. Jones gives the Packers that breakaway dimension which Jamal or Dillon do not.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Montravius had a couple of decent plays but he was also on the ground or moved out of his gap more than I'd like to see. He's either very good or very bad. Josh Jackson is the same. The DL was ok in this game but HOU doesn't exactly have a top 10 OL. The OLBs got some pressure but this defense looks like it's talented but dumb. I don't get a sense they play smart and I don't know if that's coaching or instincts.

Kamal Martin didn't embarrass himself, which is a good sign. Ty Summers couldn't stay with David Johnson on that end zone throw. Krys Barnes absence was noticed at times. Burks didn't look bad but he's gotta be last on the ILB depth chart. I had high hopes for him when he was picked but that he still isn't playing much is a bad and telling sign.

Raven Greene seemed to get picked on by Randall Cobb and Watson, but if Jaire and Sullivan are shutting down the other receivers (they did a nice job on Fuller, and kept Cooks under wraps) Cobb is past the stage where he'll kill you like Davante. Will Redmond did good enough, and it was interesting to see Vernon Scott got snaps.
I continue to think the outside CBs give about 2 yards too much cushion. Amos struggled as the single high safety but played decent otherwise. The secondary overall held up ok with replacements, considering they were without half their starters (King and Savage).

On offense, Billy Turner is not Bahktiari but he held on there. Wagner had some ugly moments against Watt, but he's clearly better at RT. Rodgers and the team played with a chip and it was obvious GB was the better team from the kickoff. Adams went off, based on body language Rodgers likes Malik Taylor, and MVS...had a few good blocks and um...ran a nice end around? Tonyan and the other TEs chipped in a little but I expected more from them. Jamaal Williams made some money today and played tough as always. Nothing spectacular but just efficient enough. AJ Dillon slipped on one run and ran into a brick wall on two other runs, he didn't look great but the blocking wasn't really there either. Nice to see him get snaps and that they sent him on routes etc. was nice. Dexter Williams is on thin ice after allowing that punt block; I noticed they put Jamaal in his spot as edge protector on the next punt.

Getting Bahk and Jones back next week vs. Minny will be important. Gotta beat division teams to make the playoffs.

Burks is now an OLB, and Clark has morphed into Cletidus Hunt.

[RashanGary]

Turner was blocking most of the game against Whitney Mercilus - no slouch of a pass rusher. I certainly wouldn't say Turner dominated him, but Rodgers, after that first sack (which didn't count due to the penalty) when he underestimated Mercilus' speed, was able to make do with less than perfect pass blocking - as he pretty much has done for his whole career.

I hope we can find a way to keep Jamal Williams, but decent as he was, he ain't Aaron Jones. Jones gives the Packers that breakaway dimension which Jamal or Dillon do not.

Tex, you were high on Tonyan, Lazard (in a blocker/pass catching role), Aaron Jones and now shockingly clear sighted with the ILB play.

You’ve been down on King, kirksey and the sacred cow


Your record is pretty fucking solid lately. That stubbornness to view things through your own eyes vs through the eyes of the crowd is admirable. But since you give zero fucks when anyone knocks you, I’m sure you’re equally resilient in not giving a shit when someone gives ya a tip of the hat. Live by praise and eventually you’ll die by criticism.


You liked MVS. And I still do too, in a more part time role as a field stretching decoy / big play specialist. But MVS charm really wears off when he’s asked to do other things, like be even remotely complete with the routes he runs and being a consistent part of a (move the chains) offense. He’s just not that guy.

But you’re showing up as having some fairly consistent against the grain view points that time proves you right. I tip my hat old timer, you’re stubborn and crass in your approach, but not crazy.




Im a big Rodgers fan, but not as high as you are. Sometimes I wish he’d get the ball out like Brady and Brees always do. I just don’t think you’re “right” on Rodgers being the undisputed GOAT. But shit, you’re right so much, I ain’t gonna go and fight ya too hard

[GB-Brandon]

I’m the one that said Tonyan was the starter when everyone was taking Sternberger. LOL

I was also talking K. Martin when someone said Rookies basically don’t count.

I also said the Packers really like Billy Turner because of his versatility!!!

More importantly I called the lie in the Packers receiving room that it wasn’t “NFL Legit” for a 16 game schedule!!

[GB-Brandon]

It really wasn’t hard to call Kirksey a “Wounded Man Walking” LOL

[GB-Brandon]

MVS is hovering around a 40 percent completion rate with the greatest QB of all time and completely disappears at times in year 3. I’ve never seen anyone have more excuses made up for them. He is total trash!! Maybe a depth guy at best that plays in a pinch.

[GB-Brandon]

Rodgers is now once again the no.1 rated player in the NFL after MICKEY MOUSE RW3 that has mastered the Lollipop throw extended his pick total to 7. For anyone to sit here and critique the no.1 rated player in the league when he is playing with one of the softest hands is just sooooooooo disrespectful!!!

It’s like go Fuck Yourself!!

[texaspackerbacker]

Tex, you were high on Tonyan, Lazard (in a blocker/pass catching role), Aaron Jones and now shockingly clear sighted with the ILB play.

You’ve been down on King, kirksey and the sacred cow


Your record is pretty fucking solid lately. That stubbornness to view things through your own eyes vs through the eyes of the crowd is admirable. But since you give zero fucks when anyone knocks you, I’m sure you’re equally resilient in not giving a shit when someone gives ya a tip of the hat. Live by praise and eventually you’ll die by criticism.


You liked MVS. And I still do too, in a more part time role as a field stretching decoy / big play specialist. But MVS charm really wears off when he’s asked to do other things, like be even remotely complete with the routes he runs and being a consistent part of a (move the chains) offense. He’s just not that guy.

But you’re showing up as having some fairly consistent against the grain view points that time proves you right. I tip my hat old timer, you’re stubborn and crass in your approach, but not crazy.




Im a big Rodgers fan, but not as high as you are. Sometimes I wish he’d get the ball out like Brady and Brees always do. I just don’t think you’re “right” on Rodgers being the undisputed GOAT. But shit, you’re right so much, I ain’t gonna go and fight ya too hard

Thanks, RG. I appreciate you too - mostly hahahahaha.

The jury is still out on MVS. I don't like him quite as much as I used to, but I'm still hopeful. They used to talk about receivers wearing gloves that damn near caught the ball by themselves. I think he needs a pair of those hahahaha.

And Rodgers IS the GOAT.

[Guiness]

I think Turner merits more praise as a stud against the Texans. He played Turner very well and kept the pressure off Rodgers - PFF saw it the same way


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Billy Turner played the most snaps at LT in his career while earning his highest single game pass-blocking grade (86.5) since 2015.

Turner allowed just (1) pressure on 35 passing snaps against Houston.

I was originally hoping they'd move Jenkins outside.