Vonta Leach released to make room for Koren Robinson

[cuqui]

from packers.com:


The Green Bay Packers Tuesday released fullback Vonta Leach. Ted Thompson, Executive Vice President, General Manager and Director of Football Operations, made the announcement.

Wide receiver Koren Robinson, who agreed to terms yesterday, signed with Green Bay Tuesday.

[MJZiggy]

How do I phrase this so my true feelings can be adequately expressed? Hmmm...WOOOHOOOO!!!! ought to do it. I was hoping it might be something like this.

[Willard]

Man I guess they really are high on the 4 TEs! Still not a huge surprise. I didn't think Leach would make the team before Will got hurt. I guess this means Will is ready to go. That in itself is good news.

[BallHawk]

Goodbye hands of steel 2!

[mission]

hell yez. :mad:

[Badgepack]

Vonta threw a couple mean ass blocks in the Bears game.

Although, It was time for him to go, assuming Hendo is ready.

[Patler]

I am VERY surpised.
Even if he is healthy, Henderson can't play a whole game and isn't nearly the blocker he was in the past, nor Leach is today.

I hope everyone realizes this likely means we will see more of Herron as a FB.

[Willard]

I am VERY surpised.
Even if he is healthy, Henderson can't play a whole game and isn't nearly the blocker he was in the past, nor Leach is today.

I hope everyone realizes this likely means we will see more of Herron as a FB.

Or David Martin.

[gbpackfan]

Leach was nothing special. Good bye!

[cuqui]

Or David Martin.

Great. Can't catch either and a worse blocker.

[MJZiggy]

I sense Gado will be getting a little more work at FB. Wonder if he's second guessing himself in regard to letting the Poop go. I thought he was a FB as well as RB.

[Brohm]

I hope this is not their meaning in getting the TE's more involved :shock:

[falco]

Henderson is a much worse blocker than Leach.

[J-Rok]

But Hendu can catch the ball.

[SkinBasket]

My guess is that the "Hump" gets a go at being a full time FB.

[retailguy]

My guess is that the "Hump" gets a go at being a full time FB.


Ok, who's the "hump". :roll:

[HarveyWallbangers]

My guess is that the "Hump" gets a go at being a full time FB.

Agreed. The FBs in this offense are often glorified TEs anyways. Justin Griffith, down in Atlanta, is a good fit for the scheme. He's a better receiver than blocker.

[woodbuck27]

I sense Gado will be getting a little more work at FB. Wonder if he's second guessing himself in regard to letting the Poop go. I thought he was a FB as well as RB.

I'm utterly amazed at what Ted is doing now. Releasing Vonta wasn't the answer MJ, as now were worse off in OUR blocking.

He had to release a TEand i would have let David Martin go. He'll have a surprise injury on Sunday. LOL

I really sense Ted's hit the panic switch. TT needs a miracle.

Samkon Gado is the BEST choice as backup at FB MJ, assuming that Hendo will be ready to start "the Saints Game" Sunday.

I'm absolutely shocked that we may see Koren Robinson in OUR Game Plan Vs. "the Saints".

That is just plain n' simple WRONG !!

Good Grief !! NOT FUNNY > :shock:

[mission]

after thinking about this a bit more (id like to take back my hell yez comment), im aligning myself more on the side of people saying this is a big mistake. im not a leach fan because of his inability to catch anything but he CAN block and lets be honest, david martin is a much better cut than this guy... especially considering our lack of *capable* depth in the backfield.

what's the point? erg.

[BananaMan]

Disappointed. He had some absolutely stoning blocks last sunday.

[Badgepack]

What about Jarrett Bush and Charlie Peprah, are these guys anything more than "projects". Or Noah...

[Kiwon]

I have not watched the FB very closely but I am still surprised that Leach was released, especially after considering that Nick Luchey and Vonta Leach were supposedly being groomed to replace the aging Henderson.

I hope that TT does not place the same level of emphasis on the FB position as he has the Guard position. With a shaky O-line, Brett and the RB's need all the blocking that they can get.

[Tony Oday]

I hate Vonte as a player he sucks but so does Herron and Martin so lets just release them. Who cares if we sign anyone to take their place they just blow!

[Fosco33]

What happens if Hendo's return is slower than expected or he gets hurt again? Do we make Gado a FB or use Humphrey?

I'm surprised by this move.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Bad move, Leach has showed he was a good blocker. Last year for Gato and this year for green.

[Bossman641]

Bad move.

We have 4 TE's and only one FB, and an injured one at that. Who is gonna play FB when Henderson needs some breaks or if he gets banged up again. Leach had some crushing blocks on Sunday.

[Fosco33]

Bad move.

We have 4 TE's and only one FB, and an injured one at that. Who is gonna play FB when Henderson needs some breaks or if he gets banged up again. Leach had some crushing blocks on Sunday.

My thoughts exactly. And Hendo is a game time decision as it stands - maybe we continue to go to the double TE sets with that funky motion on runs, too.

[Brohm]

They used Martin in the backfield as a FB quite a bit in Sunday's game. I'm guessing they will continue to go that route in order to keep the "best" players.... :razz:

[Merlin]

Vonta Leach was a very good true fullback. Fullback's block, that's what they do. Hell, The last carry that Henderson got he fumbled it! Henderson though is that special kind of player that most teams don't have. He has lost a step but he will give you everything he's got. He is a great receiver as well and Leach didn't hold up to that part of the game very well, but Leach is a better blocker then Henderson, today. In Henderson's prime Leach wasn't as good as Henderson. I think keeping 4 TE's is a stupid stupid coaching move. Gado, Heron and Martin at FB? None of those three would even make the roster for most average to good teams. Now we are counting on them blocking for Green and Favre? The best blocking TE we have is Franks. Gado is a north and south tank but is a #3 back at best and hasn't really caught on the the RB position let alone the FB. Heron is another #3 back at best and is too small to be a good FB. Martin has been around for years and he has always been bad to below average. Davenport anyone? He was a fullback in college, we should never have cut the guy. So we gave a roster spot to a temporary WR?

TT is a moron...enough said.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Disappointed. He had some absolutely stoning blocks last sunday.

In Bob McGinn's game analysis today, he said the Packers should consider starting Leach ahead of Henderson because of his blocking. I beleive TT cut Leach because he is still pissed at McGinn's merciless criticism on Sunday about TT's oline GM work. :wink:

I think a team hurting for offense, with weak pass protection, can't afford to keep a fullback who can't catch a swing pass.

[Joemailman]

I sense Gado will be getting a little more work at FB. Wonder if he's second guessing himself in regard to letting the Poop go. I thought he was a FB as well as RB.


I thought they tried Gado at FB in training camp after Henderson got hurt, and it didn't go very well. Also, I believe I read that Davenport let it be known he didn't want to play FB, which I suspect may have been his ticket out of town.

[Guiness]

I believe you're right about that last comment Mailman.

[Holofamer]

"I hope this is not their meaning in getting the TE's more involved. :shock: "

LOL!

I feel the same way.

[Fritz]

I am puzzled by this move. Leach can't catch but he can block, which is important considering the team's current offensive line play.

All I can come up with is that Noah Herron has some pics of TT and MM. How else can you explain keeping a pedestrian talent who furthermore lost a fumble on Sunday? Now that they've signed Robinson, Herron becomes a player who plays only one position.

[Bretsky]

I am puzzled by this move. Leach can't catch but he can block, which is important considering the team's current offensive line play.

All I can come up with is that Noah Herron has some pics of TT and MM. How else can you explain keeping a pedestrian talent who furthermore lost a fumble on Sunday? Now that they've signed Robinson, Herron becomes a player who plays only one position.

TT is not worried about the current; he's looking to the future. Completely puzzling as to why we'd keep two TE's and a RB in Herron with limited upside

[green_bowl_packer]

I agree with Harlan in that if the O-line is gonna be a sieve why have a guy who can't catch a dump off pass back there. I think this is just part of the games evolution and it's finally coming to Green Bay, in that team are phasing out the fullback in favor of the H-back or TE/fullback combo. Having a guy on the offense who is one dementional will eventually hurt your offense or at the very least limit it's options.

I found this article (too long to post the whole thing, so just 1st of 3 pages) basically says the position is going away and that teams are lucky to have one fullback on their roster, some teams have none, and we had two. I take that as us wasting a roster spot, if we have four TE's two of whom can play TE and spot fullback (Martin, Humphrey) and two who can go down field and split the seam (Franks and Lee), and give us play calling flexibility, I'm OK with that. When we'll see that is another story, as McCarthy has said he wanted to get the fullbacks involved in the offense and we didn't see that against the Bears.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCL/is_3_33/ai_108784454

Football's forgotten position: fullback once was the backbone of the running game—but not anymore. What's happened to one of sports' most treasured blue-collar occupations?
Joe Donatelli

LORENZO NEAL IS ONE OF THE best fullbacks in the NFL. Wherever he goes, 1,000-yard rushers follow. Literally.

While on the Tennessee Titans, Neal paved the way for Eddige George's 1,304-yard, nine-touchdown campaign in 1999 and his career-best 1,509 yards and 14 touchdowns in 2000. With the Cincinnati Bengals, Neal helped Corey Dillon rush for a total of 2,636 and 17 touchdowns in 2001 and '02.

The year after Neal left Tennessee, George failed to gain 1,000 yards for the first time in his career. He averaged a career-low 3.0 and 3.4 yards per carry the past two seasons. Some Bengals fans fear a similar fate awaits Dillon.

"Amazing" is the word San Diego Chargers tailback LaDainian Tomlinson uses to describe his new teammate. "He's one of those guys who understands what he's here for. There's no shame in his game. He's going to bring it."

Oh, yes, Neal brings it. But as the 5'11", 245-pounder discovered this past offseason, there are fewer places for NFL fullbacks to bring it to. Not long ago, just about every NFL team carried two fullbacks. Now teams carry one. Some carry none.

Worse, fullbacks have devolved into one-dimensional blockers who may only see action on one-fifth of a team's snaps--and they're lucky to touch the ball at all. In the businesslike parlance of the NFL fullbacks have become "specialty players." So widespread is the demise of the fullback that former Dallas Cowboys personnel director Gil Brandt has labeled the position "virtually nonexistent."

It's a shame, too. It's a shame because the fans suffer as the league homogenizes into one indiscernible parity-filled blob.

Before the great parity push in the mid-1990s, back when teams with different payrolls employed a variety of offenses and active fullbacks were more common, one of the great unwritten rules in football was, "Fans in every city will always love their fullback."

It was a fact of football life, like having a foreign-born kicker on the roster whose name could only be pronounced with a slide-whistle. The fullback was a beloved player. And he still is in the places where he remains active, such as Detroit.

Blue-collar fans are universally drawn to the position. Not to get all George Will on you, but the fullback, on an abstract level, represents the American Dream in action. You work hard (block anonymously for 90 yards) and you will be rewarded (a one-yard plunge into the endzone.) Work and reward. Community and rugged individualism. All the things that make America great.

Now every team has to deal with the same salary cap and small roster. As general managers have discovered, you get more bang for your offensive buck from the spread offense, which features one or no backs and multiple receivers. Just like that, the fullback fades from significance, still present but no longer an integral part of the game.

For this we can thank parity.

Well, parity and Joe Gibbs.

While Gibbs did not invent the spread offense--indeed, coaches such as Tom Lanciry ran multiple-receiver sets long before Gibbs began coaching the Washington Redskins in 1981--the three-time Super Bowl champion certainly popularized the formation. If Joe Gibbs were a Hollywood producer, he would be the creator of the first successful reality television show from which all others were copied, "Survivor."

Using a mobile H-back instead of a fullback--and various receiver alignments--Gibbs' system created advantageous mismatches. He not only won, but he also proved you could run the ball just as effectively out of the spread, as evidenced by the superlative Super Bowl performances turned in by Hall-of-Famer John Riggins and unknown Timmy Smith.

"That's where it all started," says former Cowboys fullback Daryl "Moose" Johnston, now a commentator with Fox. "Joe Gibbs did a great job blending the system to match his personnel. He had these gigantic light ends. No one could match up with them. And they won championships."

As systems go, the spread offense is smart, Brandt says. Take the Pittsburgh Steelers. "Who would you rather have on the field helping you score a touchdown? [Running back] Dan Kreider or [wide receiver] Antwaan Randle El?" Brandt says. "I want my best 11 on the field, and to do that, you have to play guys who can do it all and who can score."

Thanks to Gibbs, Kreider gets voted off the island.

Ah, but there was a time when the island was ruled by savage, brutish fullbacks.

In the 1920s and B0s, players who could rush the middle and block dominated. Men like Ernie Nevers and Bronko Nagurski carried their respective offenses headfirst into the defensive line, play after grueling play. They were followed by Marion Motley, who would alternately bruise as a blocker and then excel as a rusher in Paul Brown's legendary trap series. Motley was followed by Jim Taylor, who was followed by Larry Csonka, both of whom were excellent rushers but were nonetheless fullbacks called upon to block for Paul Hornung and Mercury Morris, respectively.

Innovations in the passing game and the introduction of hash marks changed everything, stretching the field horizontally and vertically. And, of course, Gibbs contributed to the revolution.

While the original West Coast offense offered a brief respite for fullbacks--as evidenced by the emergence of the San Francisco 49ers'Tom Rathman as a do-it-all player--few coaches today effectively utilize their fullback the way Bill Walsh did. What we are left with are fullbacks whose main role today is to block and little else. (Mike Alstott is an exception. But even he does not call himself a fullback, no matter what Pro Bowl voters and Lorenzo Neal say.)

"Besides Mike Alstott, there is no fullback in this league that they really give the ball to," Neal says. "Go around the league and look at the fullbacks' track records in college. I was a 1,000-yard rusher.

"It's not that I have not done it. It's just that you have these offenses and they have a feature guy, so let's feature him and we'll give the fullback a bone every now and then. You look at it as, hey, they do it because they want to optimize their opportunities, giving the ball to a person who is known for breakaways. I have no hard feelings."

How far has this once-dominant position fallen? No fullback has been drafted in the first round since 1994, when the 49ers selected William Floyd with the 28th pick.

Csonka, who retired in 1979, is the last fullback to be inducted into the Pro Foothall Hall of Fame. Like fellow Hall of Fame fullbacks John Henry Johnson and Joe Perry, Csonka played a hybrid of fullback and feature back. (Jim Brown is listed in the Hall of Fame as a fullback, though he is more accurately a running back who earned the fullback designation simply because of his size.)

Also, no blocking fullback has ever been voted into the Hall of Fame. Pro Football Hall of Fame vice president of communications Joe Horrigan compares the plight of the fullback to that of the anonymous blocking right end.

"Names change and roles change," Horrigan says. "Because of the changing nature of backfield alignments, there are fewer name fullbacks to consider."

But don't give up on the fullback yet. In some corners, he is still important still a fan favorite. And he just might make a comeback.

Johnston, a two-time Pro Bowler, is encouraged by officials' pledge to crack down on defensive holding at the line of scrimmage this season. He hopes it opens up file rushing game.

"It will come back," Johnston says. "The game always goes in cycles. You know how this league works. If a team that uses its fullback wins the Super Bowl and brings it back to the spotlight, then everyone will copy."

He may be right. Some copycatting has already begun. Almost half of the NFL's fullbacks signed long-term contracts0 past offseason. Though the position is no longer a major priority, teams are realizing the value that players such as Neal and the 49ers' Fred Beasley bring to the running and passing game.

Neal says the other way the game can change is if players make the most of their opportunities. "I line up at wide receiver sometimes," he says. "I have never before in my career been in an offense where the fullback moves as much as this one [in San Diego] does. At first I was like, 'What the heck? Why are we asking the fullback, when I've been known as a banger, to do all these things?"

"But this is who I want to be. I've been labeled as one-dimensional. Can block. Can't catch. Can't run. This offense gives you opportunities as a fullback to make some plays. I like it."

Let's hope he succeeds.

Nothing less than the American way of life is at stake.

RELATED ARTICLE: The best of what's left.

YES, THE FULLBACK POSITJON HAS DIMINished in importance the past three decades. Some teams, such as the Cleveland Browns, don't employ a classic fullback. Others, such as the Oakland Raiders, often utilize one-back sets.

That said, the position still boasts some of the fiercest and most physical players in the game. Here are some of the best:

Mike Alstott, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, He's made six straight Pro Bowls as a fullback, despite his claims that he does not play the fullback position.

Fred Beasley, San Francisco 49ers. A superlative blocker who also runs well in short-yardage situations. The perfect fullback.

Sam Gash, Buffalo Bills. A great blocker and a good receiver who paved the way for Jamal Lewis during the Baltimore Ravens' 2000 Super Bowl season.

Lorenzo Neal, San Diego Chargers. A devastating blocker who could put LaDainian Tomlinson in the 2,000-yard club.

Cory Schlesinger, Detroit Lions, This talented back figures to truly blossom under Steve Mariucci the way Beasley did in San Francisco.

[KYPack]

Nice article.

We all saw this evolve, but is has been, like, "WTF happened to the fullbacks"?

I posted some of this in another thread. & Lemme say I basically think Leach sucks. He was a hoss & all, he will absolutely stone people at times. But he was inconsistent and not the brainiest of players.

But...

Vonta Leach was the starting fullback last week. This week, he's cut and the other fullback is 36 years old, coming off knee surgery. I don't think much of Leach, but we need him for at least another month or so. We cut Leach and mgt is saying that it's all good because David Martin has taken a few snaps at FB. David Martin? I don't know about you, but I'd be happy to see David Martin take a few snaps at TE!

We were in no shape to just go ahead and cut Leach
But were there other players that could've been cut instead of Leach?

Hell yeah.

We've got 4 rookie DB's and 4 TE's. Jarrett Bush DB or Tory Humphrey TE could've been waived and moved to the PS with hardly a ripple of notice thoughout the league. If either one of these guys develop, we'd still have 'em.

They talk of Humphery playing a little FB (along w/ Martin, I guess). We cut a vet who started in week 1 to keep a kid who's never played a snap in the NFL at the position?

That is a symptom of a sick front office. Leach is good enuff to start and 2 days later you let him go?

Uh-uh.

Something is wrong about this whole scenario.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I agree with Harlan in that if the O-line is gonna be a sieve why have a guy who can't catch a dump off pass back there.

I'm afraid I have to take issue with you for agreeing with me. Ya, Leach had to go, but Herron is even worse and they should have cut him first.

[Patler]

I think cutting Leach is really a commitment by the Packers to the offense they intend to run. In preseason MM commented that their offense would not be as dependent on the bruising blocker at FB as Sherman's was. MM's commitment to the "old" WC offense uses a different type of fullback. Remember that, under Holmgren, Edgar Bennett was the fullback for two seasons, and when he moved to running back Dorsey Levens was the fullback. When Henderson took over he would get 2 or 3 carries per game under Holmgren, and the fullbacks always were significant in the passing game, as Henderson still can be.

That's the offense that MM wants to run, and Leach really doesn't fit it at all. He is just a blocking fullback. More like what Sherman used, but not even a good fit there because of his weakness in the passing game.

One final comment, although Leach is a very good lead blocker, he has not been real good or consistent in pass protection. He had a number of "air blocks" last year where he missed people completely.

[Harlan Huckleby]

We were in no shape to just go ahead and cut Leach
But were there other players that could've been cut instead of Leach?

Hell yeah.

We've got 4 rookie DB's and 4 TE's. Jarrett Bush DB or Tory Humphrey TE could've been waived and moved to the PS with hardly a ripple of notice thoughout the league.

KY, you need to assume Thompson is no dummy. Obviously he would have considerd moving a marginal player to PS, but concluded they would likely not have cleared waivers.

Thompson cut the worst player on the team, as he saw it. Maybe he figures the offense is just as good with a TE at fullback, that the difference in blocking power is offset by ability to catch passes.

[KYPack]

We were in no shape to just go ahead and cut Leach
We've got 4 rookie DB's and 4 TE's. Jarrett Bush DB or Tory Humphrey TE could've been waived and moved to the PS with hardly a ripple of notice thoughout the league.

KY, you need to assume Thompson is no dummy. Obviously he would have considerd moving a marginal player to PS, but concluded they would likely not have cleared waivers.

Thompson cut the worst player on the team, as he saw it. Maybe he figures the offense is just as good with a TE at fullback, that the difference in blocking power is offset by ability to catch passes.

Well, there is some merit in what you say.

But, I'd like to see Thompson keep ONE Shermie era vet and cut a rookie.

I also disagree with Thompson in another respect. I don't think Bush or Humphrey would've been picked up. Thompson is rookie happy and refuses to see it any other way.

This fixation on raw recruits will hurt us. Teddy, pick some guys that bwe'll stick with.

[MJZiggy]

But, I'd like to see Thompson keep ONE Shermie era vet and cut a rookie.



Fergy stayed, Rodgers got cut.

[Fosco33]

We were in no shape to just go ahead and cut Leach
But were there other players that could've been cut instead of Leach?

Hell yeah.

We've got 4 rookie DB's and 4 TE's. Jarrett Bush DB or Tory Humphrey TE could've been waived and moved to the PS with hardly a ripple of notice thoughout the league.

KY, you need to assume Thompson is no dummy. Obviously he would have considerd moving a marginal player to PS, but concluded they would likely not have cleared waivers.

Thompson cut the worst player on the team, as he saw it. Maybe he figures the offense is just as good with a TE at fullback, that the difference in blocking power is offset by ability to catch passes.

I hope you're right (that TT is 'smart') but I'd rather have a more prototypical FB that can block and pass - but is also intelligent. It appears the ZBS is more complicated in some ways (from a FB/HB perspective) but has already proven it's benefits (making an average RB look 'good' and a terrible line only look 'bad'). Hendo fits all of those things, IMO (speed, blocking, catching, intelligence).

My concern is durability and redundancy. A TE may be able to fill the blocking role but I question both height and quickness with our also oft injured TEs. I admit - I don't know much about Humphrey but I hope he's a stockier FB with a little speed and good hands.... :?

In looking further, Tory is a little shorter (6'2'' vs. 6'4'' and 6'6'' of Lee/Martin and Bubba) and about the same size as Hendo (Hendo is one inch shorter and 5 lbs lighter). Maybe this does make sense. :smile:

[Patler]

But, I'd like to see Thompson keep ONE Shermie era vet and cut a rookie.


You mean like cutting Rodgers and keeping Ferguson? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
or cutting Zac Alcorn and keeping David Martin? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[KYPack]

But, I'd like to see Thompson keep ONE Shermie era vet and cut a rookie.


You mean like cutting Rodgers and keeping Ferguson? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
or cutting Zac Alcorn and keeping David Martin? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Well Zig & P

I'd say Rogers lost the PR job, not the WR gig.

Ya mean, they might've kept two rookie TE's on a "TE Squad"? Alcorn was PS material, don't ya think?

I didn't think either case was a vet being kept over a rook, but hey, maybe I should feel better. We need some grey beards and bald heads on this team. We've got too many rookies.

[Patler]

Ya mean, they might've kept two rookie TE's on a "TE Squad"? Alcorn was PS material, don't ya think?

What's Martin? Seems like eternal hope unfulfilled! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Seriously, I thought Alcorn did a few good things and I'm glad the Packers have him at least for now. Martin should be about ready to go out with an injury for a few weeks, and when it happens I expect he will be gone, unless he becomes the new fullback.

[KYPack]

Ya mean, they might've kept two rookie TE's on a "TE Squad"? Alcorn was PS material, don't ya think?

What's Martin? Seems like eternal hope unfulfilled! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Seriously, I thought Alcorn did a few good things and I'm glad the Packers have him at least for now. Martin should be about ready to go out with an injury for a few weeks, and when it happens I expect he will be gone, unless he becomes the new fullback.

That's what they are sayin'.

That Tory Humphery or David Martin will be back-up fullbacks.

You need a good fullback in a lead zone scheme to make that BOSS block. I don't think either one of these guys can get that done.

[Patler]

Ya mean, they might've kept two rookie TE's on a "TE Squad"? Alcorn was PS material, don't ya think?

What's Martin? Seems like eternal hope unfulfilled! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Seriously, I thought Alcorn did a few good things and I'm glad the Packers have him at least for now. Martin should be about ready to go out with an injury for a few weeks, and when it happens I expect he will be gone, unless he becomes the new fullback.

That's what they are sayin'.

That Tory Humphery or David Martin will be back-up fullbacks.

You need a good fullback in a lead zone scheme to make that BOSS block. I don't think either one of these guys can get that done.

Humphrey is reportedly a very physical player, Martin anything but that. As a blocker, I think Humphrey might be the choice over Martin. That's why I said "unless". I have little confidence in Martin for getting anything done at this point!

[Harlan Huckleby]

Leach just looked very awkward. He's a battering ram only. I suggested his spot in NFL was tenuous last spring, and was roasted for it. God, it feels great to be right!

I'd rather have Humphrey at fullback, he can do more of the things that Henderson brings to the offense. Athletic. Able to move body to catch blitzers. Adjust to passes that aren't thrown perfectly.

Still, rather have Leach as designated battering ram than Herron.

[packrulz]

Leach was a back up & I think he was getting around $1 mil/yr. I agree we don't need 2 FB's, the TE's can back up and free a roster spot. Humphrey can catch pretty good. I got a feeling Robinson is going to pan out too.

[Patler]

Leach was a back up & I think he was getting around $1 mil/yr.

You're thinking of Luchey and what he would have gotten last year.
Leach is a minimum wage guy, $425,000.

[packrulz]

Leach was a back up & I think he was getting around $1 mil/yr.

You're thinking of Luchey and what he would have gotten last year.
Leach is a minimum wage guy, $425,000.

You're right, the names are similar. There goes that theory. :oops: