Raven Green and Tyler Ervin

[HarveyWallbangers]

I read that they could be out awhile and maybe for the year. Austin can replace Ervin, but losing Greene hurts. He’s much better than Redmond.

[Freak Out]

Shit.

[HarveyWallbangers]

And I just noticed I spelled Greene's name wrong in the thread title--which always bugs me. :)

[Upnorth]

I really liked how well Greene was doing. Seemed like having more and more impact every week... Sigh

[smuggler]

Greene hurt his shoulder on the punt return TD, diving out of bounds trying to stop the TD.

[Fritz]

Greene hurt his shoulder on the punt return TD, diving out of bounds trying to stop the TD.

Clearly then, this injury is JK Scott's fault.

Man, I was rooting for Scott, but he's turned into a very erratic punter. By the end of year two, you've got to be doing better than he is - especially for a fifth round pick.

I have now gone to the other side on this guy. Not only is he responsible for Greene's injury, I think it is also his fault that the punt and kickoff return teams are so lousy.

Fire him! Fire Meningitis too!

[KYPack]

Clearly then, this injury is JK Scott's fault.

Man, I was rooting for Scott, but he's turned into a very erratic punter. By the end of year two, you've got to be doing better than he is - especially for a fifth round pick.

I have now gone to the other side on this guy. Not only is he responsible for Greene's injury, I think it is also his fault that the punt and kickoff return teams are so lousy.

Fire him! Fire Meningitis too!

Lafluer had a comment on this in his presser. What he was pissed at on the long punt return was the direction of the kick. They had a squeeze on. That punt was to be kicked to or out side of the numbers. Scott kicked the ball right down the pike. This give a good return man a lot of options. The returner moved to the boundary and ran right up that lane. Yes, Scott is one of the biggest wusses I've seen, but you really don't evaluate punters on their ability to tackle returners as the safety on the PK team. Scott did an epic fail. A lousy poorly placed punt and a gutless performance at his safety job.

No coach wants to replace the punter at this juncture of the season. Especially a Packer coach. Kicking a ball in Lambeau in December is a real chore. The fact that Scott is gutless has to bleed over into his kicking. It takes real guts to hit a punt from the southern goal line into that wind off the Bay in December. We are talking about a guy who doesn't have the guts to eat cleats on a tackle. Dioes he have what it takes to be our punter? I dunno, just dunno.

Good post Fritz. That was semi-funny

[call_me_ishmael]

JK Scott as a 5th round pick punter has been a disaster IMO.

[Joemailman]

Lafluer had a comment on this in his presser. What he was pissed at on the long punt return was the direction of the kick. They had a squeeze on. That punt was to be kicked to or out side of the numbers. Scott kicked the ball right down the pike. This give a good return man a lot of options. The returner moved to the boundary and ran right up that lane. Yes, Scott is one of the biggest wusses I've seen, but you really don't evaluate punters on their ability to tackle returners as the safety on the PK team. Scott did an epic fail. A lousy poorly placed punt and a gutless performance at his safety job.

No coach wants to replace the punter at this juncture of the season. Especially a Packer coach. Kicking a ball in Lambeau in December is a real chore. The fact that Scott is gutless has to bleed over into his kicking. It takes real guts to hit a punt from the southern goal line into that wind off the Bay in December. We are talking about a guy who doesn't have the guts to eat cleats on a tackle. Dioes he have what it takes to be our punter? I dunno, just dunno.

Good post Fritz. That was semi-funny

Everything you just said is true. I would just add that the biggest reason you don't replace him now is that he's the holder on place kicks. You don't want to have to make that change late in the season unless you absolutely have to. Maybe have Mase work with him on how to at least slow the returner down.

[smuggler]

The absolute worst thing about Scott has been his tackling attempts

His most recent attempt occurred after Greene's injury, so hard to hate on him too much for that.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Greene’s a bum. He and that fucking Irish, O’Sullivan, along with that fucking milksop, Cletidus Clark.

Greene, Cletidus and O’Sullivan are the reason the D sucks. They’re the weakest links on the D. Opponents throw at Greene and O’Sullivan every time they need to move the chain via air. Cletidus is the reason it’s so easy to pound the rock up and down the Pack’s asses, especially with the HB Guts X Coolio 69 Pound X Angel Dark, aka, a run up the guts where Cletidus roams as an overpaid milksop.

I’d like to see more of heavy metal safety Henry Black. I’d also like to read the book, “The Life and Death of Henry Black.”

Here’s a short Amazon take on said book:

“35-year-old orphan Henry Black has no friends, no future, and thinks he might be dead. After being committed, Henry meets Paul Davies, an elderly mental health patient who claims to have invented a time machine.”

[run pMc]

Scott is a bad tackler, good holder, erratic punter. He should stick around for the rest of this season, but MLF will want Gute to bring in competition.
You can't kick to a punt to a pro athlete PR in the middle of the field, especially when your coverage is expecting it to be slanted outside the numbers. He's done that a number of times now, and if he can't fix that and be consistent he's replaceable.

With this ST squad, I'll take a 42 yard punt with no return everytime over a 52 yard punt that's returnable. They've allowed 2 TDs in the last 3 games.

[run pMc]

Greene, Cletidus and O’Sullivan are the reason the D sucks.

I disagree. I saw Clark getting triple teamed a couple of times. Jenna Jameson woulda struggled with that.
As for Sullivan, he's good for what he is: an inexpensive but effective slot corner. He's had to play outside at times and I don't think he's as good there. You can win with Sullivan; he's better than Jackson for sure.
Greene is hurt a lot which is likely the result of being 5'11" and having to play moneybacker for Pettine. He's not terrible, but I see him get picked on or get juked and miss tackles often. I'm not sure they couldn't find a bigger safety hybrid type to do what he does. I assumed that's what they drafted Vernon Scott for, but haven't seen him play much. Maybe Black gets the occasional call.

Will Redmond in that hybrid role makes me uneasy. He was drafted as a CB, but now he's more of a S/CB type who has also battled injuries.

Weak spots are the ILBs and the DL line except for Clark. Lowry/Lancaster add very little, and Keke is inconsistent. The way the Smiths play where they crash down the line and go straight for tthe QB (Z takes a lot of chances with this) makes it look like running the ball is a pick-your-lane affair: run wide around the Smiths or double team Clark out of a gap and force the ILBs to come up and tackle. Pettine playing 2 DL and lining them over the guards (look at :18 of the clip) and heaven knows in the back 7 doesn't do wonders either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZxyEB9YTto

I think if they could pair Clark with another above average DL (think Raji with Jenkins), and the OLBs were a bit more disciplined, they'd be better.

[KYPack]

Your right MC, Cutting Scott is out of the question. He is really saving his ass from that by being an excellent holder. The other problem with punters is you can't really ream them out like you would a regular member of the bomb squad. Punting is like a golf swing, much of it is mental and you don't want to have the guy go off the deep end mentally.

Tank, it's getting worse. You need to seek help from some kind of nut doctor.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I disagree. I saw Clark getting triple teamed a couple of times. Jenna Jameson woulda struggled with that.
As for Sullivan, he's good for what he is: an inexpensive but effective slot corner. He's had to play outside at times and I don't think he's as good there. You can win with Sullivan; he's better than Jackson for sure.
Greene is hurt a lot which is likely the result of being 5'11" and having to play moneybacker for Pettine. He's not terrible, but I see him get picked on or get juked and miss tackles often. I'm not sure they couldn't find a bigger safety hybrid type to do what he does. I assumed that's what they drafted Vernon Scott for, but haven't seen him play much. Maybe Black gets the occasional call.

Will Redmond in that hybrid role makes me uneasy. He was drafted as a CB, but now he's more of a S/CB type who has also battled injuries.

Weak spots are the ILBs and the DL line except for Clark. Lowry/Lancaster add very little, and Keke is inconsistent. The way the Smiths play where they crash down the line and go straight for tthe QB (Z takes a lot of chances with this) makes it look like running the ball is a pick-your-lane affair: run wide around the Smiths or double team Clark out of a gap and force the ILBs to come up and tackle. Pettine playing 2 DL and lining them over the guards (look at :18 of the clip) and heaven knows in the back 7 doesn't do wonders either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZxyEB9YTto

I think if they could pair Clark with another above average DL (think Raji with Jenkins), and the OLBs were a bit more disciplined, they'd be better.

Looked like the Balding Eagles didn’t double Clark once, and they had a subpar OL. Clark was, to paraphrase my archenemy the Kentucky, a yellow bastard throughout the game. In fact, Keke made more plays than Clark in that game.

For 18 million frogskins a year, the guy has to dominate. Clark ain’t in any shape, form, matter or antimatter dominating. Keke has been outplaying Clark this season. Hell, injury-prone Mt. Adams has outplayed Clark this season.

Suffice it to say, Clark has morphed into Ole Cletidus. They coulda re-signed Jones, King and Lindsey with the frogskins they wasted on Clark.

Btw, I lol-ed at your porn reference.

[texaspackerbacker]

I went back and re-checked the video, and Clark in fact was double teamed a lot and triple teamed a few times. Regarding the Cletidus thing, my recollection of him was that he was kinda a one trick pony, preferring - for better or worse, usually worse - to penetrate into the backfield while generally failing miserably as a run stopper. Clark isn't like that at all. He's a damn good run stopper while also collapsing the pocket and getting "mop up" sacks when other guys force the QB to move up.

We damn well better re-sign Jones anyway. King is probably not worth the money he would cost. And Linsley, good as he is, has proven to be very replaceable. He too likely will command more money than it would be smart for the Packers to pay him. Clark may not be Aaron Donald, but he certainly is on the next level, and it's pretty hard to find that level quality of D Lineman.