Is Aaron Rodgers really a genius?

[Vincenzo]

My 78 year old Father this week said, “We have a genius for a quarterback.”

As the week progressed I couldn’t believe he said that cuz it’s such high praise coming from him!

[texaspackerbacker]

Genius maybe, but football savant is probably more accurate.

[Upnorth]

He is a modern version of renaissance man

[texaspackerbacker]

Fortunately, he's generally wise enough to keep his mouth shut about most things other than football. I guess, like some of us here, he doesn't want to get kicked out of forums hahahaha.

[gbgary]

yup...a football savant.

[gbgary]

Fortunately, he's generally wise enough to keep his mouth shut about most things other than football. I guess, like some of us here, he doesn't want to get kicked out of forums hahahaha.

he's very opinionated...tactical...in his comments. he's very private. cocky. funny. subtle. direct.

[QBME]

He has distilled all of the defensive schemes and sets to their basics, and has marshaled the troops the best anybody can do.
Yes, he is a genius working with the chemicals he has been afforded.

[TravisWilliams23]

He is smart enough to implement the offensive scheme LaFleur has devised. Remember how "stale" the O looked under the last years of M 3? The most impressive quality he shows is his absolute hatred to throw a pick. Hope he gets to the show at least 1 more time before his run in GB is over.

[MadtownPacker]

He’s a dbag. But he appears to have photographic memory along with enhanced event perception and depth perception. How else can we explain the video game feeling watching him because he is so consistent and accurate on every play. He always know where everyone is supposed to be. I wish he wouldn’t act the way he does towards teammates at times when they screw up but I do believe he doesn’t really ever fuck up when it comes to running the offense.

This new offense was probably nothing for him to learn compared to the WCO because he is mastering the hell out of it and making LaFleur the goldenboy of Lambeau. We are probably watching the best year of his career IMO. Hats off to Rodgers because he caught excellence while chasing perfection this season. It has been exciting to watch.

[RashanGary]

He’s a dbag. But he appears to have photographic memory along with enhanced event perception and depth perception. How else can we explain the video game feeling watching him because he is so consistent and accurate on every play. He always know where everyone is supposed to be. I wish he wouldn’t act the way he does towards teammates at times when they screw up but I do believe he doesn’t really ever fuck up when it comes to running the offense.

This new offense was probably nothing for him to learn compared to the WCO because he is mastering the hell out of it and making LaFleur the goldenboy of Lambeau. We are probably watching the best year of his career IMO. Hats off to Rodgers because he caught excellence while chasing perfection this season. It has been exciting to watch.

Pretty much.

[Fosco33]

Genius can be expressed in many ways. Math, science, art/music and likely physical.

Often high iq gets mistaken for ‘smart’. IQ is just the size of the funnel - how quick can you pick up something new?

In listening to him speak - I wouldn’t be shocked if he scored 120+ on IQ. But really, that’s not very hard and often doesn’t translate to the real world.

If he’s a football genius - he’d be developing the new offense rather that just activating it. Physical genius no doubt.

[bobblehead]

Best Arm- Stafford
Best D analysis- Rivers/Brady
Most mobile- Lamaar
Most accurate- Drew Brees/Brady
quickest in play analysis- Brady/Big Ben
Quickest release- Stafford

Only player in top 3 of every category - Rodgers

Ok, he is not top 3 most mobile anymore, but he mobile enough

[RashanGary]

Best Arm- Stafford
Best D analysis- Rivers/Brady
Most mobile- Lamaar
Most accurate- Drew Brees/Brady
quickest in play analysis- Brady/Big Ben
Quickest release- Stafford

Only player in top 3 of every category - Rodgers

Ok, he is not top 3 most mobile anymore, but he mobile enough

He's played a lot of football, has a huge arm and throws great on the move. A really rare player who had a top 5 all time statistical season with less than stellar supporting cast. Genius, I dunno, but great QB, for damn sure.

[texaspackerbacker]

To a great extent, your first sentence describes a lot of QBs - Matt Stafford, maybe Matt Ryan, maybe Rivers, probably a lot of others past and present. The main things that set Rodgers apart are: the mindset/attitude/carefulness to avoid interceptions and the ability to read defenses and react to what he sees. The latter probably could be called genius - in terms of football at least.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Best Arm- Stafford
Best D analysis- Rivers/Brady
Most mobile- Lamaar
Most accurate- Drew Brees/Brady
quickest in play analysis- Brady/Big Ben
Quickest release- Stafford

Only player in top 3 of every category - Rodgers

Ok, he is not top 3 most mobile anymore, but he mobile enough

Is best arm for arm strength? You already have most accurate. Stafford doesn’t have the best arm (Mahomes or Rodgers) or arm strength (Josh Allen easily)

[QBME]

We’re down to arm strength?
Fer cryin’ out loud.
It’s about playing the position and taking what they give and screwing with their schemes.
Jesus Mary and Joseph, you fellers over think these things too much.

[Vincenzo]

We’re down to arm strength?
Fer cryin’ out loud.
It’s about playing the position and taking what they give and screwing with their schemes.
Jesus Mary and Joseph, you fellers over think these things too much.
Being Dublin Catholic born let me just add that the official saying goes:
“Jayzuz, Mary & Joseph and the Sacred Heart.”
And you could even add Jumping Janey Mackers if you like.

Anyhow, you have to admit that it’s nice to even consider that our guy is a genius at this point in time.

[bobblehead]

Is best arm for arm strength? You already have most accurate. Stafford doesn’t have the best arm (Mahomes or Rodgers) or arm strength (Josh Allen easily)

Stafford has a natural easy motion. Yea, I hear Allen has the strongest arm. I'm kind of going with an all of the above thing with best arm. Combination of all factors. Rodgers is maybe 2 on that metric. Stafford would be incredible, but he fails in the mental aspect of the game. He's also largely immobile. But man I like watching him throw.

[bobblehead]

We’re down to arm strength?
Fer cryin’ out loud.
It’s about playing the position and taking what they give and screwing with their schemes.
Jesus Mary and Joseph, you fellers over think these things too much.

Isn't that what an internet forum is all about? But I broke it down to many factors because they all affect a QBs success. They all matter was my point. Stafford, imo, has the best overall arm I have seen since Jeff George...get the point I'm making there?

Rivers on the other hand is genius at knowing what the D is going to allow pre snap. So was Matt Flynn....get the point I'm making here?

Lamaar is a brilliant scrambler. So was Kordell Stewart.....get the point I'm making here?

[GB-Brandon]

Yes, Rodgers is a “Genius”.

[MadtownPacker]

He is a marketing genius for sure because he is on every commercial break.

The States Farms Rodgers rate commercial with the dog sitting down after Rodgers throw the ball hella far is the best one.

[RashanGary]

Yes, Rodgers is a “Genius”.

I'm sure he needs a blow job. Go get it, Brandon!

[texaspackerbacker]

He is a marketing genius for sure because he is on every commercial break.

The States Farms Rodgers rate commercial with the dog sitting down after Rodgers throw the ball hella far is the best one.

I like the golfing one. I used to know a guy who had been a college baseball player who hit his drives like that.

[Guiness]

How old is Aikman now? looking a little gone to seed, belly hanging over his belt enough that a well tailored shirt is not hiding it

[smuggler]

Nah. But he is smart.

[QBME]

Isn't that what an internet forum is all about? But I broke it down to many factors because they all affect a QBs success. They all matter was my point. Stafford, imo, has the best overall arm I have seen since Jeff George...get the point I'm making there?

Rivers on the other hand is genius at knowing what the D is going to allow pre snap. So was Matt Flynn....get the point I'm making here?

Lamaar is a brilliant scrambler. So was Kordell Stewart.....get the point I'm making here?

I do get the point you’re making. Reminds me of the movie Bull Durham, when Kevin Kostner tells Tim Robbins “ you have a million dollar arm with a 25 cent head”

[SudsMcBucky]

I like the golfing one. I used to know a guy who had been a college baseball player who hit his drives like that.

That's my favorite, too. I especially love the part where he throws his driver back in the bag, looks at Jake and says, "no Rodgers rate, huh?" Funny stuff!

[Bossman641]

I'm not sure he's a genius in the traditional sense but he's in complete control on the field. He can probably tell exactly what the D is going to do a large portion of the time, and how he can manipulate them with his eyes or by adjusting routes.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1346835888685330432

[George Cumby]

I'm not sure he's a genius in the traditional sense but he's in complete control on the field. He can probably tell exactly what the D is going to do a large portion of the time, and how he can manipulate them with his eyes or by adjusting routes.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1346835888685330432

I love the pre-snap shots where they do the close-up of his face.

His eyes move side to side, scanning, sometimes I like to think I can catch the micro-expression when he sees something he likes or makes a decision on how what he's going to do next.

I imagine inside his brain it's like an organic version of the Terminator's response tree. More like the opening scene of Fight Club and the web of neurons.

[scharpcheddar]

just another jock

[Joemailman]

just another jock

just another troll

[scharpcheddar]

just another troll
No. Simply an adult who doesn't worship jocks on my tv.
I watch, they entertain. Nothing special about it.

[gbgary]

i've changed my mind. savant? no. a savant wouldn't have taken 12+ months to realize the MLF O was the way to go. he'd have seen/known it from the get-go. genius leaves room for being taught. understanding the errors made.

[texaspackerbacker]

As I've said from the beginning, Packer success is a LOT more about LaFleur subordinating his ego and adapting to having the GOAT QB than it is about Rodgers buying in to LaFleur's way of doing things.

[bobblehead]

i've changed my mind. savant? no. a savant wouldn't have taken 12+ months to realize the MLF O was the way to go. he'd have seen/known it from the get-go. genius leaves room for being taught. understanding the errors made.

This is actually a very good take. I complained for the last 3 years of fat mike and an offense that wasn't using RB or TE in the passing game. No short looks. If Rodgers were a genius he would have taken it on himself to take more short stuff in the fat ones offense. He would have audibled INTO running plays at opportune moments. Rodgers is smart, and complete. He is not the smartest QB in the league by any means.

[bobblehead]

As I've said from the beginning, Packer success is a LOT more about LaFleur subordinating his ego and adapting to having the GOAT QB than it is about Rodgers buying in to LaFleur's way of doing things.

Is that why Rodgers completed more passes to TE and RB this year than any season I can recall?

Edit: Is that why we traded up in the 1st for a QB...cuz Flower was just giving in to Rodgers?

[call_me_ishmael]

I do believe that most people that are at the top of any field have above average intelligence, yes. That's not to say they're educated or whatever, but things are firing a hair faster in the old noodle for the elite folks vs the regular folks IMO.

[QBME]

Great read:
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/green-bay-i-wrote-this-for-you-01evy7bzfk5c/amp?__twitter_impression=true
What team leaders and teammates do.

[texaspackerbacker]

Is that why Rodgers completed more passes to TE and RB this year than any season I can recall?

Edit: Is that why we traded up in the 1st for a QB...cuz Flower was just giving in to Rodgers?

Clearly, LaFleur is a positive influence with all the motion and maybe better pass patterns, etc. I'm not the least bit negative about him. But when LaFleur came here, the talk was about run first - which was supposed to be LaFleur's thing. We absolutely did not do that - thankfully. Rodgers is the reason things are as excellent as they are, and LaFleur had the good sense to recognize that.

[Jaire]

Nope

He's an assassin.

[MadtownPacker]

I doubt anyone would question Rodgers IQ.

Now sexuality? :lol:

[MadtownPacker]

I'm sure he needs a blow job. Go get it, Brandon!Cool! Brandon will find out for us.

[George Cumby]

Nope

He's an assassin.

A surgical assassin.

An assassinating surgeon?

An asinine sturgeon?

I like "surgical assassin".

[bobblehead]

I do believe that most people that are at the top of any field have above average intelligence, yes. That's not to say they're educated or whatever, but things are firing a hair faster in the old noodle for the elite folks vs the regular folks IMO.

Have you listened to a Lamaar Jackson interview?

[bobblehead]

Clearly, LaFleur is a positive influence with all the motion and maybe better pass patterns, etc. I'm not the least bit negative about him. But when LaFleur came here, the talk was about run first - which was supposed to be LaFleur's thing. We absolutely did not do that - thankfully. Rodgers is the reason things are as excellent as they are, and LaFleur had the good sense to recognize that.

The talk wasn't run first, the talk was to first fix and use the running game. I just did a google search and after getting "did you mean black cocks" I found this:

Team pass play %

1 Jacksonville 66.20% 68.57% 73.85% 67.30% 65.19% 61.86%
2 Pittsburgh 65.48% 76.53% 80.95% 65.70% 65.22% 57.84%
3 Tampa Bay 63.45% 62.62% 59.72% 64.56% 62.60% 62.34%
4 Houston 63.40% 69.27% 72.13% 66.24% 60.55% 57.93%
5 Detroit 62.97% 62.13% 59.26% 65.56% 60.51% 60.14%
6 Chicago 62.27% 56.99% 61.22% 62.67% 61.93% 61.27%
7 Washington 62.23% 65.50% 66.67% 63.14% 61.24% 59.77%
8 Philadelphia 62.20% 59.53% 55.38% 61.36% 63.08% 58.80%
9 Atlanta 62.06% 68.69% 63.38% 64.34% 59.74% 66.97%
10 Kansas City 61.87% 62.02% 66.00% 65.45% 58.76% 61.43%
11 Dallas 61.37% 59.31% 66.25% 62.50% 60.22% 58.00%
12 Cincinnati 60.48% 44.31% 52.50% 55.28% 65.15% 63.30%
13 Buffalo 60.44% 60.10% 63.79% 57.93% 63.09% 54.96%
14 Seattle 59.59% 58.47% 56.14% 58.10% 61.25% 54.34%
15 Carolina 59.01% 57.29% 66.67% 58.01% 60.00% 64.16%
16 NY Giants 58.70% 63.69% 49.09% 58.72% 58.67% 64.23%
17 LA Chargers 58.65% 54.84% 49.28% 62.59% 54.48% 63.29%
18 San Francisco 58.22% 55.00% 62.50% 62.33% 55.90% 48.61%
19 Miami 58.08% 59.15% 75.00% 57.28% 58.89% 65.85%
20 NY Jets 57.17% 53.85% 59.68% 55.56% 58.81% 59.94%
21 Denver 57.09% 59.07% 57.33% 56.74% 57.41% 57.13%
22 Las Vegas 55.89% 56.00% 64.06% 55.89% 55.89% 55.81%
23 Indianapolis 55.87% 54.11% 60.53% 55.53% 56.15% 53.64%
24 Arizona 55.77% 61.93% 63.27% 56.86% 54.60% 60.40%
25 LA Rams 55.48% 52.78% 39.44% 53.59% 56.99% 61.99%
26 Green Bay 55.25% 50.60% 56.82% 52.87% 57.73% 59.81%
27 Minnesota 54.25% 62.00% 58.11% 55.71% 52.86% 51.70%
28 New Orleans 52.77% 48.11% 53.33% 53.60% 51.87% 60.38%
29 Cleveland 51.61% 60.40% 52.31% 47.02% 55.57% 59.61%
30 Tennessee 49.72% 48.28% 55.10% 52.30% 47.11% 51.21%
31 New England 48.72% 53.99% 53.97% 45.39% 51.63% 59.36%
32 Baltimore 44.18% 36.45% 45.31% 46.09% 42.47% 45.93%

[bobblehead]

That came out shitty, but its in order: Overall 2020, Last 3, Last 1, Home, Away, overall 2019

So we run more than 25 of the teams in the league this year. Last year we ranked 16th overall. I would say MiLF is winning the battle.

[George Cumby]

That came out shitty, but its in order: Overall 2020, Last 3, Last 1, Home, Away, overall 2019

So we run more than 25 of the teams in the league this year. Last year we ranked 16th overall. I would say MiLF is winning the battle.

And the results can't be argued with.

[George Cumby]

Have you listened to a Lamaar Jackson interview?

LOL.

I haven't listened to that, but there are plenty of folks at the tops of their field who are dumb as rocks.

Favre, imo, is dumb as a post.

[Fritz]

That came out shitty, but its in order: Overall 2020, Last 3, Last 1, Home, Away, overall 2019

So we run more than 25 of the teams in the league this year. Last year we ranked 16th overall. I would say MiLF is winning the battle.


I saw this morning the inverse of that - a stat about how the Packers under The Flower run about 44% of the time, which is about the fifth highest in the league - and that during MM's last three years, they ranked at or near the very bottom in the percentage of plays they ran the ball.

[Joemailman]

I saw this morning the inverse of that - a stat about how the Packers under The Flower run about 44% of the time, which is about the fifth highest in the league - and that during MM's last three years, they ranked at or near the very bottom in the percentage of plays they ran the ball.

Packers ran the ball in 2020 44.7% of offensive plays. NFL average was 41.8%. McCarthy's last year in Green Bay 2018, Packers ran the ball on 32.6% of plays. Perhaps being behind a lot played into that. In 2015, McCarthy's last great offense in Green Bay, Packers ran the ball 43.5% of plays. NFL average was 41.8%.

[Zool]

Packers ran the ball in 2020 44.7% of offensive plays. NFL average was 41.8%. McCarthy's last year in Green Bay 2018, Packers ran the ball on 32.6% of plays. Perhaps being behind a lot played into that. In 2015, McCarthy's last great offense in Green Bay, Packers ran the ball 43.5% of plays. NFL average was 41.8%.

Was there a glitch in the Matrix, or do teams typically run the ball about 42% of the time?

[MadtownPacker]

He was a little hungover today but woke up when it mattered.

[RashanGary]

He was a little hungover today but woke up when it mattered.

Genius!

Why the hell do we have to call people geniuses. I don't think of anyone as that. Maybe gifted in a few areas or driven to excel but I never go crown anyone hero. We all bring something to the table.

[Joemailman]

I think what you have with Rodgers is a very driven guy woth a nearly photographic memory. So his game preparation and what he observes at the line of scrimmage are off the charts.

[RashanGary]

I think what you have with Rodgers is a very driven guy woth a nearly photographic memory. So his game preparation and what he observes at the line of scrimmage are off the charts.

Yeah. And visualizes plays so its like he's been there. Just a great football player. His experience with getting prepared and all of the mistakes he learned not to make and still having a really well functioning body at 38..... He's just a great football player. And he knows how much he depends on his team so he puts a lot of energy into inspiring the guys. A 2x champ soon and 3x MVP and earns it.

[RashanGary]

The #1 quality of a QB IMO is leadership. There are 30 or so big contributors to every game. The QB is only on the field 40% of the plays in a game. If the line doesn't block and the pass catcher doesn't catch, the play is unsuccessful even in the 40% of plays the QB impacts. Guys feeling like it's a team inspires them to be more than they would otherwise be. A QB taking all of the credit is toxic to a culture. 12 thanks everyone and defects to team first. His best quality as it relates to winning right now.

On top of the dozens of other good QB qualities.

[RashanGary]

I think a fan base that learned that the QB isn't a hero after Favre was flat out replaced with a better player helps Rodgers not fall into his own self hero worship too. Some of 12s success and reality awareness is situational too.

[GB-Brandon]

Rodgers has proved he is far advanced “Genius” over Gute or any of these other Puppets!!!

The leverage that will now get shifted on this Fraudulent GM will be Biblical!!

The Good Guy does win in the End!

The Evil Oligarchy Loses!!