Official “It should have been us!” Superb Owl game thread

[MadtownPacker]

Ain’t life a bitch? Two weeks ago this time I had all these warm and fuzzy thoughts of the bomb ass food I was going to throw down at the big bash today. That’s when it was going to be a Packers SB party. Then shit went South, specifically Tampa Bay. Now we gotta watch this shit with no stake or steak. I’m putting some hotdogs and weak ass snacks out for just 2 or 3. Some bullshit really but today doesn’t feel like a celebration. Just the last day of the season. Fuck it we will do it all again next year.

Game doesn’t really matter to me. Couldn’t get any squares at all, really sad. Just have small wager with friend. Should have been The States Farms Bowl today so I figure if you are going to lose at least let it be to the best:

Tompa Bay 35 - KC Mahomies 32

[George Cumby]

I'm over the media knob slobbering over Tom Brady.

He threw three fucking picks two weeks ago and our fucking newly engaged regular season GOAT QB and 13-3 x2 but choke in the NFCCG x2 head coach couldn't fucking capitalize.

I hope Mahomes runs 72 points up on those fuckers. Where's the creamsicle uniforms? Those were classic. You fucks.

Except Chiefs coach, HC-fail son are running over little kids. Who knows what the facts are but fuck you Britt.

Yes. I'm bitter.

And fuck you Brandon.

[GB-Brandon]

It’s been absolutely horrible hearing “Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Tom Brady ,Tom Brady The last two weeks!!! Just makes the whole thing worse!!!

We had these guys RIGHT HERE IN OUR HOUSE. I could of almost hit a golf ball to it! Tom Brady and 3 picks in the second half and we let them off the hook!! “3 & 8 or a 4th & 6 in January” remember that? OMG!!!

Certain people can never be forgiven!! Our moment of Glory was Hijacked by a maniac!!!

[GB-Brandon]

People here are absolutely “Devastated.” 2015 Style. Maybe worse. Nobody cares about the MVP award either. It’s just Salty, Salty & Salty.

Does anyone care about that 2nd or 3rd round pick now?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Can’t recall for sure the last time I watched a Super Bowl live. Coulda been the Harbaugh Bowl. Then NFL/pig owners started blackballing Kap. And I said, to paraphrase Crumby, fuck the NFL.

It’s 3:45 PM in cold, dark and dull Wisconsin at this moment in space-time. I’m about to go to bed.

Screw the NFL!

[Anti-Polar Bear]

It’s been absolutely horrible hearing “Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Tom Brady ,Tom Brady The last two weeks!!! Just makes the whole thing worse!!!

We had these guys RIGHT HERE IN OUR HOUSE. I could of almost hit a golf ball to it! Tom Brady and 3 picks in the second half and we let them off the hook!! “3 & 8 or a 4th & 6 in January” remember that? OMG!!!

Certain people can never be forgiven!! Our moment of Glory was Hijacked by a maniac!!!

The Flog (LaFuck) choked. Pettine choked. Great Arm of Butte choked. Suffice it to say, all the planets aligned for the Packers, and they still managed to choke away a golden opportunity.

[MadtownPacker]

So why the hell do all of you call it Superb Owl? I have never bothered to look up when it started.

[GB-Brandon]

The Flog (LaFuck) choked. Pettine choked. Great Arm of Butte choked. Suffice it to say, all the planets aligned for the Packers, and they still managed to choke away a golden opportunity.

Brady certainly wasn’t stellar with a 73.9 Passer rating and 3 second half picks.

[GB-Brandon]

So why the hell do all of you call it Superb Owl? I have never bothered to look up when it started.

I’d like to know the same thing.

[run pMc]

Is it ok that I want both teams to lose? I don't really want KC to win back-to-back titles, but I really don't want TB to win.

I guess I'll cheer for the AFC in this one.

Personally, I think SF last year was a tougher opponent than TB is this year, so I'd expect KC to win. Then again I've barely watched any of their games and it looks like they've been pretty lucky/sloppy in some of them so who knows.
And yeah, if GB does better on any one of about 10 different plays they'd be in this game...but we've already covered that in other threads.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Being a shutdown corner in high school who shut down Darren Charles in a game, I wanted to spend $200 of my hard-earned, humble frogskins on a 23 Packer replica jersey. I didn’t cos, well, Kap ain’t in the NFL anymore.

And fuck you, too, assistant manager Tom. Paid you $25 to get me an “authentic,” Chinese-pirated #2 Johnny Football Browns jersey. You quit before the blouse shipped and I never received it. I was gonna wear that awesome uni to the poker room all the time, and every time I win a hand, I was gonna do the Johnny Football money hand thing.

[GB-Brandon]

Is it ok that I want both teams to lose? I don't really want KC to win back-to-back titles, but I really don't want TB to win.

I guess I'll cheer for the AFC in this one.

Personally, I think SF last year was a tougher opponent than TB is this year, so I'd expect KC to win. Then again I've barely watched any of their games and it looks like they've been pretty lucky/sloppy in some of them so who knows.
And yeah, if GB does better on any one of about 10 different plays they'd be in this game...but we've already covered that in other threads.

Yes it is. The Chiefs winning is catapulting them into the beginning of “Dynasty Talk” and is “Salt In The Wound” for Packer fans because our front office didn’t build a similar team around Rodgers and they are making it work right in front of our faces.

The Bucc’s winning is at the hands of our own failure to “Finish Out The Roster” to do a few simple things to win that game late at OUR HOUSE and allowing this Madness of Tom Brady to carry on and now win Super Bowls while doing it in both conferences. Elevating him to status higher probably then any other sports figure!!

Either way it isn’t a good Feeling for sure!

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I’d like to know the same thing.

It’s a lame word play on Super Bowl. SuperB Owl.

[GB-Brandon]

We should get AB too for good measure!!

[MadtownPacker]

I said to get him last year but the morally superior types thought he was a POS.

[GB-Brandon]

I know and now we’re “Morally” eating our chips that taste stale and Guacamole watching him “Win A Fucken Super Bowl”!!!!!

It’s Football and The NFL. “Bambi & Thumper” is available for those that need it elsewhere!!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Brady and Bucs going to get the calls again? Defensive holding on KC, but missed hold on Kelce. Chris Jones with a cheap call against dirty Ryan Jensen.

[GB-Brandon]

Vita Vea makes a big deal for that defense.

Devin White too obviously but they didn’t have Vea for a lot of the season.

[GB-Brandon]

Brady and Bucs going to get the calls again? Defensive holding on KC, but missed hold on Kelce. Chris Jones with a cheap call against dirty Ryan Jensen.

Common man. chiefs DB’s hold as bad as Bucc’s do. It’s a hold fest out there.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Tampa Bay gets away with a ton of holdings. Reminds me of Seattle about 8 years ago and New England against Indy back in the day. I hope they start getting called.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Common man. chiefs DB’s hold as bad as Bucc’s do. It’s a hold fest out there.

Chiefs D was called for it dummy.

[Bossman641]

Both teams holding a lot. Certainly feels like that's the thing to do, they're not gonna call it every play.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Like I said, going to call KC for holding all day but not TB.

[HarveyWallbangers]

BS. Fix is in. They better have some makeup calls.

[GB-Brandon]

Sloppy.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Another holding. :)

They didn’t call TB at all vs. GB, and we all saw Joe much they held our guys. Nothing today, but 3-4 holds against KC.

[GB-Brandon]

BS. Fix is in. They better have some makeup calls.

Well if you took the time to check out the “Gambling Thread” you would be on the right side of this!!!

[HarveyWallbangers]

I’m on JustinHarrell’s side on this now.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The hold on the quick pass and interception was very questionable.

[pittstang5]

some BS that KC is getting the flags, but TB isn't.

[GB-Brandon]

Well they just missed a hold on that KC receiver on that Mahommes run by the sideline that was pretty obvious. I like how Romo went Eewww and then just didn’t say anything on the replay. So please just Stop It!!!

We didn’t lose to Tampa because od the reffs. That’s why everyone is doing this.

Kansas city is lucky to even be in this game. If they don’t hold on that goal line stand they are in huge trouble.

[GB-Brandon]

You see that pressure on Mahommes? Had nothing to do with no holds!!!

[GB-Brandon]

KC is Kicking FG’s and The Bucc’s are scoring TD’s. That’s the difference so far!

[HarveyWallbangers]

We had our chances, but the two missed holds against us on third downs WERE big, douche bag!

[GB-Brandon]

We had our chances, but the two missed holds against us on third downs WERE big, douche bag!

I wrote several long and informative posts on having personnel to beat “Tight Press Coverage”. I can re-post them if you’d like?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Complete BS!!!

[pittstang5]

I think Romo has mentioned at least three times now about the 4th down play before half against GB. Stop, please stop!

[HarveyWallbangers]

I wrote several long and informative posts on having personnel to beat “Tight Press Coverage”. I can re-post them if you’d like?

Who gives a shit.

[falco]

I wrote several long and informative posts on having personnel to beat “Tight Press Coverage”. I can re-post them if you’d like?

"informative" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think Romo has mentioned at least three times now about the 4th down play before half against GB. Stop, please stop!

At least, he hasn’t mentioned the dropped interception, right?

[HarveyWallbangers]

That was not interference. That was Vlade Divac flop!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Unbelievable! Announcers not calling it like it is. That ball was uncatchable.

[GB-Brandon]

“Antonio Brown”

#flash!!!

[HarveyWallbangers]

No unsportsmanlike conduct on Brady on that.

[GB-Brandon]

Wish we had Brown in the “Red Zone”

Wish we had Brown on 3rd and 8!!

[GB-Brandon]

I didn’t say “St. Brown” LOL!!!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Terrible officiating.

[GB-Brandon]

Tampa just has a way better defense and overall roster then the Chiefs. Way more speed overall on defense. Loaded offense!

[Bossman641]

These calls are fuckin ridiculous

[GB-Brandon]

Chiefs missing their two starting tackles is killing them.

[GB-Brandon]

Geez: you guys are crying more about the officiating then I am about the Packers Front Office. LOL

This is fun.

[George Cumby]

NFL really wants the Tampa Bay Brady's to win this one, huh?

[GB-Brandon]

The Chiefs defense isn’t that good people. It’s actually suspect.

[GB-Brandon]

In fact the Chiefs have been Gimping by teams all year. This is no shock!!

[Massive J]

Refs have really taken over this game and are now enforcing their will on these two suspect teams.

[George Cumby]

Where the fuck is Scharpcheddar?

I want to tell him he was right.

[GB-Brandon]

Tampa Bay has ELITE LB PLAY and a ELITE DC. Give Credit where its Due!

[GB-Brandon]

Bowles is calling a MASTERPIECE!!

[falco]

Tampa Bay has ELITE LB PLAY and a ELITE DC. Give Credit where its Due!

so, it'd be understandable for a team to lose to them? you wouldn't blame the front office or coaching staff?

[GB-Brandon]

Arians “Vertical Spread” offense really is a Beautiful offense with the right pieces!!

[Cheesehead Craig]

Game over. KC defense is bad.

[Teamcheez1]

So much for the Kansas City dynasty...

[HarveyWallbangers]

so, it'd be understandable for a team to lose to them? you wouldn't blame the front office or coaching staff?

KC hasn’t done enough to surround Mahomes with talent. :)

[GB-Brandon]

so, it'd be understandable for a team to lose to them? you wouldn't blame the front office or coaching staff?

I’ve posted in length why I blame our front office for not using “All Resources Possible” to give us the best chance. I believe I’ve been very clear. Our coaching staff did not coach a “Masterpiece” on both sides the ball against Tampa. If that’s what you are asking.

[falco]

KC hasn’t done enough to surround Mahomes with talent. :)

LOL!

[GB-Brandon]

KC is down both starting Tackles which is killing them this game.

And yes there defense is mid-level.

[Bossman641]

KC is down both starting Tackles which is killing them this game.

And yes there defense is mid-level.

We were down the best LT in the league...

[Cheesehead Craig]

Pass rush is king in the NFL

[GB-Brandon]

I handicapped this game in “gambling thread” and placed it accordingly so not sure what all the laughter is about. I’m not the one butt hurt by any of this!!

[red]

bad coaching and lack of balls cost us another SB

[GB-Brandon]

We were down the best LT in the league...

What’s your point? We Fucken lost!!

[HarveyWallbangers]

We were down the best LT in the league...

That doesn’t count

[HarveyWallbangers]

What’s your point? We Fucken lost!!

Dense!!!!!

[falco]

What’s your point? We Fucken lost!!


woosh

[GB-Brandon]

Almost 80 percent of bettors bet Chiefs!! So it wasn’t so “Obvious”

[GB-Brandon]

Tampa was down Antonio Brown. Vita Vea was on limited snap count and the biggest one is both their starting safeties were out in the second half and we still couldn’t capitalize so just STOP IT PLEASE! WE FUCKEN BLEW IT! IN MORE WAYS THEN ONE!!

[GB-Brandon]

Pass rush is king in the NFL

Defensively I say this all the time but people still want to draft corners for some reason.

[GB-Brandon]

Dense!!!!!

The only one Dense is that Dumb Mother Fucken German dude that blew the draft and gave us nothing to help us out this Season! And that DENSE DC that was in a ridiculous coverage at the end of half. And our DENSE HC that coached scared and made several wrong calls with the game on the line!!

I think you have it twisted and need to take some more time to “Honestly Reflect”!

[Cheesehead Craig]

Mahommes can't do it by himself. His WRs are not helping him at all.

[GB-Brandon]

Mahommes can't do it by himself. His WRs are not helping him at all.

He has been under constant seige. Tampa beat them upfront on both sides of the ball and broke their soul.

[GB-Brandon]

Tampa Bays three guys upfront are dominant. Them getting Vea back was huge.

People may not like this but he is playing better then Kenny Clark.

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/vita-vea/48956

[Bretsky]

Wish we had Brown in the “Red Zone”

Wish we had Brown on 3rd and 8!!



One of your best posts in a while; while I didn't want AB cause he was a cancer, we needed a WR who could run a patterns like that and beat his guy by two steps

[GB-Brandon]

Tampa Bay hands down the best roster in the NFL. Then they addd guys like Fournette and Antonio Brown. They were just sleep walking through the season and turned it on when they needed too. Bunch of All-Stars!!

[RashanGary]

Refs fucked kc. Period.

[Bretsky]

DOMINANT ILB's, a dam good DL and then they add guys like Suh and Pierre Paul. TB is shitkickers.

And give Tommy Boy a ton of credit for seeeing this and jumping on a wagon that just needed one more strong tire to drive to the Promise Land

[GB-Brandon]

Packers are kind of like the Milwaukee Bucks. Great “Regular Season Team” that gets in the playoffs and has problems against “More Talented Rosters” that can turn it on when they need too!!

[Bretsky]

Refs fucked kc. Period.



KC got the raw end for sure; especially at the end of the half.

But the TB DL and ILB's are dominant

[GB-Brandon]

One of your best posts in a while; while I didn't want AB cause he was a cancer, we needed a WR who could run a patterns like that and beat his guy by two steps

I can only make “So Many Posts” regarding this subject. LOL!!

[GB-Brandon]

Well Heck. I killed it!! Oval Office!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cheesehead Craig]

He has been under constant seige. Tampa beat them upfront on both sides of the ball and broke their soul.

Oh yeah. But other then Kelce, nobody is getting open, plus about 4 drops

[Bretsky]

I can only make “So Many Posts” regarding this subject. LOL!!


I've been asking for a #2 wr longer than you have been here..........AND.........a stud speed ILB. IMO they just don't value the ILB position enough but they should watch film of Tampa Bay to see what you can do with two. And we overvalue our WR's IMO as well.

[GB-Brandon]

KC got the raw end for sure; especially at the end of the half.

But the TB DL and ILB's are dominant

Exactly. either way they were going down eventually with a Beat Down!!

[GB-Brandon]

I've been asking for a #2 wr longer than you have been here..........AND.........a stud speed ILB. IMO they just don't value the ILB position enough but they should watch film of Tampa Bay to see what you can do with two. And we overvalue our WR's IMO as well.

They don’t value “Playing Fast, Playing Physical & Playing VIOLENT” on Defense. They play some other shit that I don’t even know what it is half the time and it’s not getting any better with the jackass they brought in!!

[Bretsky]

and Holy Crap Winfield was a great pickup for TB

[GB-Brandon]

They should of hired Kris Richard!!! If you want that brand of Defense!!

It was a catastrophic mistake!

[Bretsky]

They don’t value “Playing Fast, Playing Physical & Playing VIOLENT” on Defense. They play some other shit that I don’t even know what it is half the time and it’s not getting any better with the jackass they brought in!!


Jim Leonard would have been great; but he loves Madison. I really think they would have needed to overpay him to have a shot at stealing him from Barry.

[GB-Brandon]

and Holy Crap Winfield was a great pickup for TB

We picked up “Kirksey”

[HarveyWallbangers]

Despite the shitty calls, no doubt TB deserved to win this game. I felt like we were as good or better than TB, but we blew it. Tells you that Gute and MLF are on the right track. Their stars (and King) just didn't get it done. TB was obviously good. I still think we were slightly better overall, but it is what it is. Against their DEs losing Bakh was a big deal.

[GB-Brandon]

Jim Leonard would have been great; but he loves Madison. I really think they would have needed to overpay him to have a shot at stealing him from Barry.

I like the Leonard idea and it sounds cool and everything but my only thing that gave me cause for concern was the jump. Not saying he couldn’t do it or it wouldn’t of work but it is something to consider. That’s why I leaned more too Richard. But either would have me way more excited then Barry.

[GB-Brandon]

Despite the shitty calls, no doubt TB deserved to win this game. I felt like we were as good or better than TB, but we blew it. Tells you that Gute and MLF are on the right track. Their stars (and King) just didn't get it done. TB was obviously good. I still think we were slightly better overall, but it is what it is. Against their DEs losing Bakh was a big deal.

We’re trending in the “Wrong Direction” though. We just signed one of the worst DC’s of all time. LaFluer has shown twice now and even in other games he has issues when the pressure hits. We’re 36 million over the cap and set to lose 3 key players on offense! There might be a situation with Rodgers. Especially after he just watched that and realizing how easily he can do BETTER!

Oh yeah. We just dumped a huge amount of $ on a tackle that we don’t even know when he will be back.

[GB-Brandon]

You look at that Tampa coaching staff and we’re not even close!!

[MadtownPacker]

Be a hater if you want and I was a Brady hater back in the day but his hold on GOAT has been cemented in tonight and there is no doubt.

[GB-Brandon]

Be a hater if you want and I was a Brady hater back in the day but his hold on GOAT has been cemented in tonight and there is no doubt.

I really have to come to this table as well. You just can’t overlook his success. You have to Honor Greatness! Even if it hurts! He made some nice throws out there too tonight. He also showed he knows how to position himself into a great situation.

Rodgers should take notes if the Packers aren’t willing to Bend.

[Massive J]

Brady never does the heroic stuff. He just plays smart, reliable football. Almost all the time. It is upsetting.

[George Cumby]

Game just wasn't that fun to watch.

Too much laundry on the field.

[GB-Brandon]

I thought it was a thing of beauty. When have we seen the KC offense ever get destroyed like that? Todd Bowles just showcased a masterpiece. He had answers for everything. Mahommes was just tormented all game long. Loved it.

[GB-Brandon]

That Bucc’s defense we saw tonight is really what Packer fans dream of whether they want to admit it or not.

[texaspackerbacker]

I boycotted the game - choosing to watch old black and white westerns on YouTube instead.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

So now that the bucs have shown the rest of the football world that you can get over the hump by signing a good/great quarterback, how long before some other team signs Rodgers? 5..4..3..2..1..

[Fritz]

Be a hater if you want and I was a Brady hater back in the day but his hold on GOAT has been cemented in tonight and there is no doubt.

I think the thread title here is perfect. I haven't felt this way since 2014 - if the Pack had played even a so-so game two weeks ago they'd have been in the Super Bowl, and likely would have beaten KC.

I have to disagree with you here, Mad: I don't think Brady played all that great, either two weeks ago or yesterday. Give him all day to throw, sure, but even then the dude missed several passes and if he sniffed any pressure he was way off. Not GOAT-like to me.

This is because I think the emphasis on championships won in team games is way, way overblown. For those of you old enough, that was the knock on Ernie Banks in Chicago: the Cubbies never won a World Series with him.

He's one guy. What's he supposed to do? Pitch and play catcher, too?

It's a team game. Put Brady on the Lions and no matter how hard he worked or how much he willed the organization, they wouldn't have gone to the Super Bowl this year, period.

I think Stafford gets that same unfair criticism - somehow he was supposed to bitch and moan and insist that the Lions get more talent or something, and because he didn't somehow he's not a really good QB. That's bullshit, to me. IS he supposed to tell the GM who to draft and complain when it's not the guy he wanted?

Winning a championship requires lots and lots of good decisions from lots of people along the way. The QB has more influence then others, but he's not the only factor.

[GB-Brandon]

I think the thread title here is perfect. I haven't felt this way since 2014 - if the Pack had played even a so-so game two weeks ago they'd have been in the Super Bowl, and likely would have beaten KC.

I have to disagree with you here, Mad: I don't think Brady played all that great, either two weeks ago or yesterday. Give him all day to throw, sure, but even then the dude missed several passes and if he sniffed any pressure he was way off. Not GOAT-like to me.

This is because I think the emphasis on championships won in team games is way, way overblown. For those of you old enough, that was the knock on Ernie Banks in Chicago: the Cubbies never won a World Series with him.

He's one guy. What's he supposed to do? Pitch and play catcher, too?

It's a team game. Put Brady on the Lions and no matter how hard he worked or how much he willed the organization, they wouldn't have gone to the Super Bowl this year, period.

I think Stafford gets that same unfair criticism - somehow he was supposed to bitch and moan and insist that the Lions get more talent or something, and because he didn't somehow he's not a really good QB. That's bullshit, to me. IS he supposed to tell the GM who to draft and complain when it's not the guy he wanted?

Winning a championship requires lots and lots of good decisions from lots of people along the way. The QB has more influence then others, but he's not the only factor.

Doesn’t matter. When you have “The Media & The Hardware” behind you that’s all that matters.

Any attempt to get Rodgers in this discussion has been LOST!

[Zool]

I think the thread title here is perfect. I haven't felt this way since 2014 - if the Pack had played even a so-so game two weeks ago they'd have been in the Super Bowl, and likely would have beaten KC.

I have to disagree with you here, Mad: I don't think Brady played all that great, either two weeks ago or yesterday. Give him all day to throw, sure, but even then the dude missed several passes and if he sniffed any pressure he was way off. Not GOAT-like to me.

This is because I think the emphasis on championships won in team games is way, way overblown. For those of you old enough, that was the knock on Ernie Banks in Chicago: the Cubbies never won a World Series with him.

He's one guy. What's he supposed to do? Pitch and play catcher, too?

It's a team game. Put Brady on the Lions and no matter how hard he worked or how much he willed the organization, they wouldn't have gone to the Super Bowl this year, period.

I think Stafford gets that same unfair criticism - somehow he was supposed to bitch and moan and insist that the Lions get more talent or something, and because he didn't somehow he's not a really good QB. That's bullshit, to me. IS he supposed to tell the GM who to draft and complain when it's not the guy he wanted?

Winning a championship requires lots and lots of good decisions from lots of people along the way. The QB has more influence then others, but he's not the only factor.

Tampa was 7-9 last year. I don't claim to be an expert on the Bucs' roster, but Gronk and Brady are the parts I know they added.

[GB-Brandon]

They also added JPP, Suh, Haeg, AB & Fournette!

Quite a Haul!

[Fritz]

Tampa was 7-9 last year. I don't claim to be an expert on the Bucs' roster, but Gronk and Brady are the parts I know they added.

Fair enough. I do think, though, big picture, that Brady was not way so much better than other QB's.

[GB-Brandon]

Yep! They are already doing it this morning as predicted putting Brady ahead of Michael Jordan and Wayne Gretzky as the Greatest Sports Player of any sport of All-Time.

Forget about the Best in the NFL!!

[GB-Brandon]

Fair enough. I do think, though, big picture, that Brady was not way so much better than other QB's.

He just won a Super Bowl MVP at 43 though on his first year with a team new team.

[bobblehead]

My favorite stat. Chiefs called 11 running plays all game. Way unbalanced offense. Bucs called 28 runs and 29 passes (maybe a few more where brady was sacked).

[Jaire]

Won in the trenches. Like the NFCCG

Bucs had the best D(for the playoffs) and are solid on offense. The Pack could have won but had to be perfect. Brady did not need to be perfect. He had the better O line and the better front 7.

[Vincenzo]

Won in the trenches. Like the NFCCG

Bucs had the best D(for the playoffs) and are solid on offense. The Pack could have won but had to be perfect. Brady did not need to be perfect. He had the better O line and the better front 7.

Agreed! Bucs D won the Super Bowl, they stopped the top flying Packer offense and sacked Rodgers 5 times in the NFC Championship game, then didn’t allow the 17-1 Chiefs to get a even a TD.
Clearly the Bucs D was the unit that won this years title.

[Fritz]

My favorite stat. Chiefs called 11 running plays all game. Way unbalanced offense. Bucs called 28 runs and 29 passes (maybe a few more where brady was sacked).

Agreed. I was fuming at the television because I kept telling my wife that the Chiefs didn't learn a damn thing from watching that Packer loss. Had LeFleur called for more runs, or Rodgers not checking out of runs, or whatever it was, the offense would have been much more effective.

Teh NFC Champiionship game was like watching an MM-coached game. Oh shit, we're behind, the hell with running!

I was fuming watching the SB. Kept thinking that if the Pack had played even a mediocre game, they'd have been in, and won, the SB.

[texaspackerbacker]

I think the thread title here is perfect. I haven't felt this way since 2014 - if the Pack had played even a so-so game two weeks ago they'd have been in the Super Bowl, and likely would have beaten KC.

I have to disagree with you here, Mad: I don't think Brady played all that great, either two weeks ago or yesterday. Give him all day to throw, sure, but even then the dude missed several passes and if he sniffed any pressure he was way off. Not GOAT-like to me.

This is because I think the emphasis on championships won in team games is way, way overblown. For those of you old enough, that was the knock on Ernie Banks in Chicago: the Cubbies never won a World Series with him.

He's one guy. What's he supposed to do? Pitch and play catcher, too?

It's a team game. Put Brady on the Lions and no matter how hard he worked or how much he willed the organization, they wouldn't have gone to the Super Bowl this year, period.

I think Stafford gets that same unfair criticism - somehow he was supposed to bitch and moan and insist that the Lions get more talent or something, and because he didn't somehow he's not a really good QB. That's bullshit, to me. IS he supposed to tell the GM who to draft and complain when it's not the guy he wanted?

Winning a championship requires lots and lots of good decisions from lots of people along the way. The QB has more influence then others, but he's not the only factor.

I used to be a Brady hater, but I've changed my mind - for reasons only mentionable in FYI. He still ain't the GOAT, though.

[run pMc]

Tampa was 7-9 last year. I don't claim to be an expert on the Bucs' roster, but Gronk and Brady are the parts I know they added.

Also added Tristan Wirfs, Antonio Brown, Leonard Fournette, Antoine Winfield Jr, Steve McLendon, Joe Haeg, Tyler Johnson. It wasn't just Gronk and Brady, although you could make a pretty solid argument that any team that swaps out Winston for Brady alone would be better.

Tampa won because they didn't make any backbreaking mistakes, Bowles coached smart, and their OL was very good at keeping Brady upright. That will win you a lot of games.
They also benefitted from playing against backup OL. JPP, Suh and Barrett are a handful for starters; once you have backups blocking those guys you've got tough sledding.

[Bossman641]

Brown had 5 catches for 22 yards and a TD and there are people arguing he mightily contributed to the win? Lol.

They won cause their defense dominated and Brady (per usual) got to sit in the pocket without a hint of pressure.

[RashanGary]

Refs and then the buccs front 7 finished it. But refs first.

[GB-Brandon]

Brown had 5 catches for 22 yards and a TD and there are people arguing he mightily contributed to the win? Lol.

They won cause their defense dominated and Brady (per usual) got to sit in the pocket without a hint of pressure.

He broke and beat coverage and ran a beautiful route and “Caught The Ball” on 3rd down on a pivotal TD.

Not everything is a stat! Kind of like St Brown dropping a critical 2pt conversion in a similar big game situation which led to Dribble Leg Kicking the FG later!!

[th87]

Brown had 5 catches for 22 yards and a TD and there are people arguing he mightily contributed to the win? Lol.

They won cause their defense dominated and Brady (per usual) got to sit in the pocket without a hint of pressure.

Still have to account for him, and his route essentially iced the game.

[GB-Brandon]

Antonio Brown was a Giant Success for Tampa Bay! The Packers would of been smart to sign him!

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/antonio-brown/5718

[Bossman641]

Still have to account for him, and his route essentially iced the game.

The game was iced with the Chiefs failing to convert 8 straight third downs from the first quarter to late in the fourth. Everything else is spinning to sell a story.

[GB-Brandon]

The game was iced with the Chiefs failing to convert 8 straight third downs from the first quarter to late in the fourth. Everything else is spinning to sell a story.

I don’t think anybody said “Antonio Brown Won The Super Bowl For Tampa” but his contributions should be noted in this game and all season long as his Advanced Metrics stats point too. For the $ it was a great signing for them.

[th87]

I don’t think anybody said “Antonio Brown Won The Super Bowl For Tampa” but his contributions should be noted in this game and all season long as his Advanced Metrics stats point too. For the $ it was a great signing for them.

And he'd have more of a role here. Possibly a solid 2.

[GB-Brandon]

And he'd have more of a role here. Possibly a solid 2.

I’m not sure it’s even “Possibly” but more Fact. However, we move into speculation if he would of been the guy that makes the difference. The guy has always been able to beat Press Coverage. He had the injury but maybe he doesn’t have the injury playing @ Lambeau against the Rams. I tend to think he would of been the difference and once again another Avenue Gute could of gone to make the improvements needed to the roster. That’s what is so agonizing about this. It wasn’t just the 1st round of the draft. He had FA, the 1st round and “Other Rounds of The Draft”, Supplemental FA Moves and the Trade Dead Line!

Crickets!!

[RashanGary]

Get the refs to call games for the packers like the bucs and we have a few rings more

[Spaulding]

Broken record. WR was likely not the missing factor for the Packers this year. Factual numbers suggest our offense (1st in the league in league in scoring) was perfectly fine with the personnel that were on the field. Our failures were at times stopping the run and breakdowns in coverage. Continuing to harp on the WR need is misguided and an ego stoke to yourself that you HAVE to be right and will always circle back to this to try and convince others of your view point.

Having a view point is good and the purpose of the forum but regurgitating it over and over reeks of QAnon flavoring. State it enough and the hope is that masses will believe it I guess.

[GB-Brandon]

Broken record. WR was likely not the missing factor for the Packers this year. Factual numbers suggest our offense (1st in the league in league in scoring) was perfectly fine with the personnel that were on the field. Our failures were at times stopping the run and breakdowns in coverage. Continuing to harp on the WR need is misguided and an ego stoke to yourself that you HAVE to be right and will always circle back to this to try and convince others of your view point.

Having a view point is good and the purpose of the forum but regurgitating it over and over reeks of QAnon flavoring. State it enough and the hope is that masses will believe I guess.

LOL!!! It’s not stating the Mythology & Hypocrisies of “QANON” though when our offense had “Three” chances to WIN the game Late and go to the Super Bowl late in a game in OUR HOUSE and couldn’t get it done. On a “Macro Level” in a big picture setting over the course of the season playing division opponents and certain teams yes the Packer Receivers Corp was sufficient and that’s not what is being debated or argued. This is what made it frustrating for me all season.

On a “Micro Level” where the “Best are Playing The Best” and individual matchups are magnified times ten there were chinks in the armor and we needed that “Other Guy” to make a Team like Tampa pay for the way they were playing us. That’s all I’m saying. AB > Lazard, St Brown Etc Etc! That’s Fact!! Especially against Press Coverage which is what they were playing.

It’s really no different then someone saying “Well if we had a better Corner Then Kevin King We Would of Won That Game.”

[GB-Brandon]

Get the refs to call games for the packers like the bucs and we have a few rings more

“LOSER TALK”

[GB-Brandon]

So Fine, Add Corner or ILB or whatever you want to the plate of “It would of made a difference”!!! Brian Gutekunst certainly made other things more important than any of them and That’s THE TRUTH!!

Tampa didn’t! They made every move possible to give them the best possible chance to WIN and WIN NOW. On a “Micro Level” once again that is usually what turns the Tide!

That’s why the Packers have Zero Rings for the Past Decade. Has nothing to do with Reffs Etc Etc!!

[RashanGary]

So Fine, Add Corner or ILB or whatever you want to the plate of “It would of made a difference”!!! Brian Gutekunst certainly made other things more important than any of them and That’s THE TRUTH!!

Tampa didn’t! They made every move possible to give them the best possible chance to WIN and WIN NOW. On a “Micro Level” once again that is usually what turns the Tide!

That’s why the Packers have Zero Rings for the Past Decade. Has nothing to do with Reffs Etc Etc!!

I disagree

[RashanGary]

My fav gsme of the season was the packers loss to the Colts. The refs were all in on a colt butt stretching and Rivers would not die. He overcame the competition and the refs. Made me smile.

[Fritz]

Brown had 5 catches for 22 yards and a TD and there are people arguing he mightily contributed to the win? Lol.

They won cause their defense dominated and Brady (per usual) got to sit in the pocket without a hint of pressure.

This is it, exactly.

In the NFCCG, Wagner got beat like a drum and Rodgers therefore had no time to try to pick those backup safeties apart. I don't really fault Wagner too much; the guy was playing on two torn-to-shreds knees. You give Rodgers more time, he kills them. And you give him more time by running the ball more - those pitch sweeps just outside the tackles were working beautifully. I still don't know why they didn't call that more.

And as bad as King and Sullivan were, where, oh where, were Dr. Smith, P. Smith, and Rashan Gary? Again, once it was apparent that they weren't generating any pressure, why didn't Pettine dial up more blitzes? The (very) few times he did, Brady pooped his pants.

[GB-Brandon]

I disagree

Whatever you have to tell yourself to protect “The Sanctity OF The Front Office & The Lie” man!! LOL!!

I’ve been at three of the “Exit Games.” Had nothing to do with the Reffs!!

[GB-Brandon]

I’ve known and been close to certain Packer Front office people and even some other Front office people over the years. Have had many the debate!! Know personally of Several sports commentators and current sports commentators & Analysts. Some of these people are pretty smart but get over it Man!! They are not ALL some Brainiac Genius’s!!! They are normal people that make mistakes. Some of them aren’t any smarter then then the common fan but just chose a life in that field and made friends and climbed the ranks and kissed the right ass along the way etc etc etc!

Yeah, Bill Belichick is a Genius but a lot of these guys are “Puppets” that wish and try and pose to be Belichick and never will be cause they just aren’t that Great or Smart man!! It’s just like anything else or any other field!

So Maybe for someone like you @RG feel the need that you have to bow down and and kiss the Fucken ground and honor every move they make and kiss their Ass twice on Sunday Where I Fucken don’t. I know the intelligence level of this whole thing better!!

I kiss the Ground of “Greatness”. That’s the difference between us!!

[RashanGary]

I kiss the Ground of “Greatness”. That’s the difference between us!!


I only kiss a pussy when it's put in my face. You cry like a little bitch. That's the difference.

[GB-Brandon]

I only kiss a pussy when it's put in my face. You cry like a little bitch. That's the difference.


https://youtu.be/RXL2RQLP-0k

[Fritz]

I’ve known and been close to certain Packer Front office people and even some other Front office people over the years. Have had many the debate!! Know personally of Several sports commentators and current sports commentators & Analysts. Some of these people are pretty smart but get over it Man!! They are not ALL some Brainiac Genius’s!!! They are normal people that make mistakes. Some of them aren’t any smarter then then the common fan but just chose a life in that field and made friends and climbed the ranks and kissed the right ass along the way etc etc etc!

Yeah, Bill Belichick is a Genius but a lot of these guys are “Puppets” that wish and try and pose to be Belichick and never will be cause they just aren’t that Great or Smart man!! It’s just like anything else or any other field!

So Maybe for someone like you @RG feel the need that you have to bow down and and kiss the Fucken ground and honor every move they make and kiss their Ass twice on Sunday Where I Fucken don’t. I know the intelligence level of this whole thing better!!

I kiss the Ground of “Greatness”. That’s the difference between us!!


Here's Brandon about to get the inside scoop from some top Packer front office people at Lambeau:

https://kleenimage.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/miami-office-cleaning-service-building-maintenance-cleaning-services-bathroom-restroom-cleaning1.jpg

[Zool]

Here's Brandon about to get the inside scoop from some top Packer front office people at Lambeau:

Can I kiss the ground below the urinal for you sir?

You know what, I'm starting to believe him. It can't just be me who hangs out with execs from every major sports team I root for, can it? Mattsky (that's what I call The Flower) called me the other day to play cards. Counsell was already $200 in the hole by the time I got there.

[GB-Brandon]

I’m not even gonna continue to go down this rabbit hole with you people cause it’s not the place. I never said I had a “Main Line Connection To Top Level Packer Execs” Currently. I have many friends that have had mid to upper level positions across the NFL. Even including scouts, coaches etc. I have a tree of people from life experiences just like anyone else does!

Like everything else some of you people completely twist everything. If you actually lived in my life and saw what i see everyday in “My House” your small brains would tell you to “Shut The Fuck Up”!!

I’ll leave it at that!!

[scharpcheddar]

Lol another blatantly predetermined game.
Right in your face without apology.
Here Brady, have 7

[GB-Brandon]

I stated from day 1 here that I’m not here to write an “Autobiography.” Yet everyday I get challenged for relevancy when I provide facts. It’s pretty simple. Take the information i provide as useful or move on!

[RashanGary]

I stated from day 1 here that I’m not here to write an “Autobiography.” Yet everyday I get challenged for relevancy when I provide facts. It’s pretty simple. Take the information i provide as useful or move on!

Yet here we are. It's an autobiography.

[MadtownPacker]

Lol another blatantly predetermined game.
Right in your face without apology.
Here Brady, have 7Aint it some shit that the NFL spent the whole pregame show talking about diversity only to give the trophy and MVP to the privileged white guy the end? :lol:

[RashanGary]

Aint it some shit that the NFL spent the whole pregame show talking about diversity only to give the trophy and MVP to the privileged white guy the end? :lol:

No shit, eh.

[George Cumby]

Aint it some shit that the NFL spent the whole pregame show talking about diversity only to give the trophy and MVP to the privileged white guy the end? :lol:

Fucking A. It shows the system will always win and it's rigged against the Brother.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Should have been us. We had the talent. Kevin King, Bakh's injury, refs, MLF for quitting on the run, missed throws, drops. Mostly blew it ourselves.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/09/6-packers-make-pffs-top-101-players-list-in-2020-including-3-in-top-12/


Pro Football Focus released the site’s top 101 players of the 2020 season on Monday. The Packers had six players featured on the list, including three in the top 12 and all six in the top 50. No other team had any many players in the top 12 or top 50.

Overall, the Packers had PFF’s No. 1 quarterback, No. 1 receiver, No. 1 cornerback, No. 3 offensive tackle, No. 2 safety and No. 1 center during the 2020 season.

6 players in the top 50? An average team would have 1-2 players in the top 50.

[QBME]

Should have been us. We had the talent. Kevin King, Bakh's injury, refs, MLF for quitting on the run, missed throws, drops. Mostly blew it ourselves.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/09/6-packers-make-pffs-top-101-players-list-in-2020-including-3-in-top-12/



6 players in the top 50? An average team would have 1-2 players in the top 50.

On the same page.

[th87]

LOL!!! It’s not stating the Mythology & Hypocrisies of “QANON” though when our offense had “Three” chances to WIN the game Late and go to the Super Bowl late in a game in OUR HOUSE and couldn’t get it done. On a “Macro Level” in a big picture setting over the course of the season playing division opponents and certain teams yes the Packer Receivers Corp was sufficient and that’s not what is being debated or argued. This is what made it frustrating for me all season.

On a “Micro Level” where the “Best are Playing The Best” and individual matchups are magnified times ten there were chinks in the armor and we needed that “Other Guy” to make a Team like Tampa pay for the way they were playing us. That’s all I’m saying. AB > Lazard, St Brown Etc Etc! That’s Fact!! Especially against Press Coverage which is what they were playing.

It’s really no different then someone saying “Well if we had a better Corner Then Kevin King We Would of Won That Game.”

This is spot on. Don't know why people pile on you.

Aggregate stats just aren't that meaningful when we're in a specific situation in which we have to deliver. Could Brown have gotten more open on some of those goal to go situations, especially with Adams getting the attention? Probably.

Over-reliance on aggregate stats are what got the Milwaukee Bucks clapped in the playoffs. Unstoppable in the regular season, but when the adjustments were made, all that went out the window, and they just needed a creator.

[GB-Brandon]

This is spot on. Don't know why people pile on you.

Aggregate stats just aren't that meaningful when we're in a specific situation in which we have to deliver. Could Brown have gotten more open on some of those goal to go situations, especially with Adams getting the attention? Probably.

Over-reliance on aggregate stats are what got the Milwaukee Bucks clapped in the playoffs. Unstoppable in the regular season, but when the adjustments were made, all that went out the window, and they just needed a creator.

So true about the Bucks. At least with the Bucks the front office tries so I kind of give them a pass.

And they “Pile On” because they don’t want to face the facts no matter what. I’ve gotten as close as a normal person/fan can get to this whole thing and this rhetoric that you see on here runs all the way up the Totem Pole. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a group of people so unwilling to change for their own benefit with it being so obvious. We could bring in the top Psychiatrist’s and Counselors in the world and I don’t think it would matter. It’s “Insanity On Steroids”!!!!

I’ve come to the conclusion they won’t change or at least until the “Losing” becomes so painful they can’t take it any longer which could be right around the corner. The problem being at that point is Rodgers will be long gone and things won’t be as easy.

[HarveyWallbangers]

This is spot on. Don't know why people pile on you.

Aggregate stats just aren't that meaningful when we're in a specific situation in which we have to deliver. Could Brown have gotten more open on some of those goal to go situations, especially with Adams getting the attention? Probably.

Over-reliance on aggregate stats are what got the Milwaukee Bucks clapped in the playoffs. Unstoppable in the regular season, but when the adjustments were made, all that went out the window, and they just needed a creator.

We didn't need other guys to win that game though. We had more than enough talent. If our stars would have played better, we win. Adams dropped a TD. Jones had a fumble that was returned inside our 10. Rodgers missed some throws (including a deep throw late to MVS). Unfortunately, Bakh got injured late in the year.

On a macro or micro level, the Packers had more than enough talent to win the Super Bowl. Nothing is given in sports, and they didn't do it. Brady threw 3 interceptions. I guess Tampa Bay could have used other guys, right? If the bounces didn't go their way, maybe they are asking the same questions.

Teams are limited by what they can do. There is a salary cap. Teams that are good get lower draft picks each year. You aren't going to have an All-Pro at every position. You aren't going to have the best players at every position.

Antonio Brown was never going to be a fit in Green Bay. Rob Gronkowski would have never unretired to play in Green Bay. You have to deal in reality.

[GB-Brandon]

We didn't need other guys to win that game though. We had more than enough talent. If our stars would have played better, we win. Adams dropped a TD. Jones had a fumble that was returned inside our 10. Rodgers missed some throws (including a deep throw late to MVS). Unfortunately, Bakh got injured late in the year.

On a macro or micro level, the Packers had more than enough talent to win the Super Bowl. Nothing is given in sports, and they didn't do it. Brady threw 3 interceptions. I guess Tampa Bay could have used other guys, right? If the bounces didn't go their way, maybe they are asking the same questions.

Teams are limited by what they can do. There is a salary cap. Teams that are good get lower draft picks each year. You aren't going to have an All-Pro at every position. You aren't going to have the best players at every position.

Antonio Brown was never going to be a fit in Green Bay. Rob Gronkowski would have never unretired to play in Green Bay. You have to deal in reality.

We are “Dealing In Reality”

Were taking about such things as wasting a 1st and a 4th round pick on a QB and getting NOTHING in that game from an entire draft class but a few carries from a RB! Who says Antonio Brown wouldn’t of been a good fit on a late season run? Just like Andre Rison wasn’t?

Why couldn’t the Packers of made a trade for an Added Piece for Good Measure in sacrifice of a stupid 2nd or 3rd round draft pick at the deadline to help push us over the top? Many Things Could of Been done to Help Us And Improve This Team Within Reality and Quite Frankly Should Of Been Done!!

The fact that Tom Brady threw 3 picks in the second half in OUR HOUSE and we didn’t win just shows us we “Aren’t There.” Get over it Man!!

We were actually getting ready to Get Blown The fuck out again before Rodgers Willed us back into the game to even make it interesting.

[GB-Brandon]

Tampa Bay beat us 38-10 earlier In the season and we had Bakhtiari in that game!!! Getting to the NFC Champ Game and winning the Super Bowl are two very different things!!!

The Packers did next too ZERO since last season to make any progress and here we ARE!!

[Zool]

Don't know why people pile on you.

Really?

[Spaulding]

We are “Dealing In Reality”

Were taking about such things as wasting a 1st and a 4th round pick on a QB and getting NOTHING in that game from an entire draft class but a few carries from a RB! Who says Antonio Brown wouldn’t of been a good fit on a late season run? Just like Andre Rison wasn’t?

Why couldn’t the Packers of made a trade for an Added Piece for Good Measure in sacrifice of a stupid 2nd or 3rd round draft pick at the deadline to help push us over the top? Many Things Could of Been done to Help Us And Improve This Team Within Reality and Quite Frankly Should Of Been Done!!

The fact that Tom Brady threw 3 picks in the second half in OUR HOUSE and we didn’t win just shows us we “Aren’t There.” Get over it Man!!

We were actually getting ready to Get Blown The fuck out again before Rodgers Willed us back into the game to even make it interesting.

You have ZERO idea what goes on behind closed doors of the Packer's front office just like the rest of us. There was quite a bit of smoke that the Packers were interested in Will Fuller which would have been the "missing" piece you so badly claim we needed. However it appears that the Packers simply wouldn't pay the Texan's asking price and I think everybody can safely agree it would have been a terrible trade in hindsight with him getting suspended for the end of the season. Thus we wouldn't have gotten really anything in return before he was an FA for this coming year.

Thompson was known to be interested in several players as well but without knowing what he was offering we really have little idea if he was earnest in getting the trade done or if it was simply fishing and low bids. Quite possibly the latter but again nobody has proof one way or the other.

Going back to Harv's post, some of the FA's you're referencing/clamoring might simply have been considered poor fits, poor character or likely had little interest in playing in the small market/cold that is Green Bay.

For every Tampa Bay that seems to have stuff FA gold this year, there are far more teams like the Saints that overbid/overpay and end up like the rest of the 31 teams not hoisting the trophy.

I think we can all agree that Aaron's window is dwindling and that a key FA signing might put us over the top, however what discussion is being done by Gute/Murphy/etc is all pure conjecture.

And your worshiping of Rodgers is over the top with him "willing the team back into the game" and a slap in the face of Adams, Zadarius, Bak, etc. rest of the players. Last I checked football is the quite possibly the ultimate "team" sport and a QB can't block for themselves nor catch the pass themselves. Heck it's Rodgers supreme hand off that allows Jones to get positive rushing yards.

[GB-Brandon]

You have ZERO idea what goes on behind closed doors of the Packer's front office just like the rest of us. There was quite a bit of smoke that the Packers were interested in Will Fuller which would have been the "missing" piece you so badly claim we needed. However it appears that the Packers simply wouldn't pay the Texan's asking price and I think everybody can safely agree it would have been a terrible trade in hindsight with him getting suspended for the end of the season. Thus we wouldn't have gotten really anything in return before he was an FA for this coming year.

Thompson was known to be interested in several players as well but without knowing what he was offering we really have little idea if he was earnest in getting the trade done or if it was simply fishing and low bids. Quite possibly the latter but again nobody has proof one way or the other.

Going back to Harv's post, some of the FA's you're referencing/clamoring might simply have been considered poor fits, poor character or likely had little interest in playing in the small market/cold that is Green Bay.

For every Tampa Bay that seems to have stuff FA gold this year, there are far more teams like the Saints that overbid/overpay and end up like the rest of the 31 teams not hoisting the trophy.

I think we can all agree that Aaron's window is dwindling and that a key FA signing might put us over the top, however what discussion is being done by Gute/Murphy/etc is all pure conjecture.

And your worshiping of Rodgers is over the top with him "willing the team back into the game" and a slap in the face of Adams, Zadarius, Bak, etc. rest of the players. Last I checked football is the quite possibly the ultimate "team" sport and a QB can't block for themselves nor catch the pass themselves. Heck it's Rodgers supreme hand off that allows Jones to get positive rushing yards.

They offered a 4th for Will Fuller and Houston wanted a 2nd based on where they thought we would be picking. Fuller desperately wanted to come to Green Bay. Nobody knows for sure how it would of played of out for sure or when or at what point he took PED’s. Just like Antonio Brown or drafting players that would of helped us more “This Year.” Well never know for sure. What we do know is Gute/Murphy didn’t do everything they could to push this team over the hump NOW and that’s pretty clear as day. When you add how they went about the draft Picks 1-4 and was a pathetic return “This Year.” You throw in the rest of the “Hand Sitting” and it wasn’t enough.

Kansas City is small market/cold and they have no problem getting free agents. Buffalo too!! Tired of Lame Excuses for a Mediocre Front Office that is Scared!! You can have your opinion and I can have mine.

[GB-Brandon]

And more specifically into the Will Fuller Trade where “IF Trade Terms Were Reached” and if Will Fuller was hopp’d up on PED’s at that time there would of been an extensive physical where a very elaborate drug test would of been done and would of detected PED’s at that time and it would of came back a failed physical and Cancelled Trade so the Packers wouldn’t of gotten all jacked up in that aspect of the trade.

It’s just not as easy to Pawn Off damaged goods as it is used to be in the NFL unless the team is willing to take on the damage knowingly at time of trade. My guess is Will Fuller probably wasn’t doing PED’s at this time and was very very upset as he wanted the Trade to go down and had little to lose the rest of the season playing on a garbage team so took PED’s playing the rest of the way in a contract year.

[RashanGary]

And your worshiping of Rodgers is over the top with him "willing the team back into the game" and a slap in the face of Adams, Zadarius, Bak, etc. rest of the players. Last I checked football is the quite possibly the ultimate "team" sport and a QB can't block for themselves nor catch the pass themselves. Heck it's Rodgers supreme hand off that allows Jones to get positive rushing yards.


This doesn’t include defense and special teams either. His impact there is suspect as well.

[RashanGary]

And more specifically into the Will Fuller Trade where “IF Trade Terms Were Reached” and if Will Fuller was hopp’d up on PED’s at that time there would of been an extensive physical where a very elaborate drug test would of been done and would of detected PED’s at that time and it would of came back a failed physical and Cancelled Trade so the Packers wouldn’t of gotten all jacked up in that aspect of the trade.

It’s just not as easy to Pawn Off damaged goods as it is used to be in the NFL unless the team is willing to take on the damage knowingly at time of trade. My guess is Will Fuller probably wasn’t doing PED’s at this time and was very very upset as he wanted the Trade to go down and had little to lose the rest of the season playing on a garbage team so took PED’s playing the rest of the way in a contract year.

That seems like speculation.

[th87]

Really?

I think the message is accurate, honestly, but I can see the delivery being off-putting.

[th87]

We didn't need other guys to win that game though. We had more than enough talent. If our stars would have played better, we win. Adams dropped a TD. Jones had a fumble that was returned inside our 10. Rodgers missed some throws (including a deep throw late to MVS). Unfortunately, Bakh got injured late in the year.

On a macro or micro level, the Packers had more than enough talent to win the Super Bowl. Nothing is given in sports, and they didn't do it. Brady threw 3 interceptions. I guess Tampa Bay could have used other guys, right? If the bounces didn't go their way, maybe they are asking the same questions.

Teams are limited by what they can do. There is a salary cap. Teams that are good get lower draft picks each year. You aren't going to have an All-Pro at every position. You aren't going to have the best players at every position.

Antonio Brown was never going to be a fit in Green Bay. Rob Gronkowski would have never unretired to play in Green Bay. You have to deal in reality.

Surely we could've squeaked by if we had better bounces, yes. I also think this team was talented enough to win the SB, clearly.

However - perhaps we can upgrade the roster so that we become more unlucky-bounce-proof, such that we can survive an interception or blown coverage. Perhaps doing so would enable us to win comfortably against the Bucs and Chiefs.

I agree there's only so much you can do, but the question is - did we do enough? I say no, because Pettine was still employed this year, first and foremost. Further down the list is not having a true secondary WR option behind Adams, despite some being available (Funchess opting out was unfortunate). Pursuing AB was a no-brainer if only to keep him away from TB at the least. I understand we can't have all-pros everywhere, but we are at the point in Rodgers' career that we need to take calculated chances on risky players (because they're cheap, have upside, and we have the culture to support it).

I never feel the Packers have a sense of urgency. Many moves look ahead 3 years, and this might be because we don't have an owner with a win-now mandate. Gute and Murphy want job security, so they probably aren't going to risk their futures by going all in this year which could result in a few 4-12 years starting in 2024.

[run pMc]

Going all-in does not guarantee success, much less a Superb Owl.
Witness New Orleans, or Philly (remember the "Dream Team"?) or the Washington Snyders (paging Albert Haynesworth).

You know what works? Building on the trenches, especially the OL so you can protect your MVP QB and open holes for RBs.

[th87]

Going all-in does not guarantee success, much less a Superb Owl.
Witness New Orleans, or Philly (remember the "Dream Team"?) or the Washington Snyders (paging Albert Haynesworth).

You know what works? Building on the trenches, especially the OL so you can protect your MVP QB and open holes for RBs.

Brees was already washed up by the time they went all in. And should've had an appearance if not for one of the worst non-calls in NFL history.

Philly and Washington scenarios aren't parallels and no one is advocating for that. Also building the trenches is also a form of going all in.

[GB-Brandon]

Going all-in does not guarantee success, much less a Superb Owl.
Witness New Orleans, or Philly (remember the "Dream Team"?) or the Washington Snyders (paging Albert Haynesworth).

You know what works? Building on the trenches, especially the OL so you can protect your MVP QB and open holes for RBs.

This is where the “Disconnect” happens though. Mostly what is being suggested is “Addressing Immediate Needs with better force NOW” through the draft and obtaining a high ceiling FA pick up that was pretty cap friendly. Maybe a move at the trade deadline sacrificing a draft pick. These are things “other contending teams” do Regularly! The Packers aren’t doing enough cumulatively to keep up. It’s that simple. The Packer Front Office as Posted isn’t showing enough urgency and this is where the failure is happening. On top of that there in an ongoing lack of accountability with coaches as with Pettine.

Somehow you guys are turning that into “it’s simply not possible have an All-Pro at every position” & “Going all in doesn’t always work” which you do all the time and simply isn’t being described as remedies. We just want a Front Office that is going to compete fairly across the Fucken Board!!

Is that really too much to ask for?

[GB-Brandon]

It’s like we’re consistently going into these “Top Ranked Heavy Weight Prized Fights” with one hand tied behind our back due to the front office. That’s really the best way to describe it. Then whenever someone talks about bringing in “Player A or Player B” to help we get told that we’re basically “Disrupting The Culture”!! What Fucken Culture? Please define this Big Culture to me?

Because as far as I can see “The Culture” is and has been for Aaron Rodgers to play at a “120 Passer Rating level” and the team having spotless turnover play to be successful!! That’s Been “The Culture” and it just isn’t good enough! It’s flawed! The man needs some help!! Nobody had said “He Needs As Much As Tom Brady Has” but he does need more then he currently has now!

Thats all that’s being said!! Get it for him or Trade him and carry on this Mindless Game of going HALF IN and trying to “Get Lucky” with Jordan Love!! Let’s see how effective it really is without maybe the most talented QB of All-TIME. I actually can’t wait for these Giant Frauds to get fully exposed!!

[MadtownPacker]

Get it for him? Fuck your boyfriend, he is just as responsible for the NFCC as HC and GM. Do you want to deny that? Well do you want to deny it? Trade his ass, he could have been the difference by wasn’t. He isn’t the team but you sure think he is. I don’t like Rodgers after he dogged my son and I would be more than happy to fight him if he wouldn’t call the cops. He would act like a bitch like he did when I called him out in 2008 at candlestick (10-15 feet away with barrier protecting him).

[th87]

Get it for him? Fuck your boyfriend, he is just as responsible for the NFCC as HC and GM. Do you want to deny that? Well do you want to deny it? Trade his ass, he could have been the difference by wasn’t. He isn’t the team but you sure think he is. I don’t like Rodgers after he dogged my son and I would be more than happy to fight him if he wouldn’t call the cops. He would act like a bitch like he did when I called him out in 2008 at candlestick (10-15 feet away with barrier protecting him).

Ooh. What was the story?

[Jaire]

Get it for him? Fuck your boyfriend, he is just as responsible for the NFCC as HC and GM. Do you want to deny that? Well do you want to deny it? Trade his ass, he could have been the difference by wasn’t. He isn’t the team but you sure think he is. I don’t like Rodgers after he dogged my son and I would be more than happy to fight him if he wouldn’t call the cops. He would act like a bitch like he did when I called him out in 2008 at candlestick (10-15 feet away with barrier protecting him).

On offense, Rodgers, MVS, and Lewis played great games. Who else? Put up 26 points against the best D imo while the WRs were getting mugged all game aka "letting them play." If Bakh plays, maybe they have a chance.

Was Rodgers perfect? No. But the Bucs had 50% success at rushing Arod. Coaches, other players, refs had a lot more to do with the loss. That's like blaming KC's loss on Mahomes. Rodgers played well enough but the Packers had to play perfect to win this. I think the coaches are far most to blame for the loss for a few bad calls. Davante and Lazard did not have good games. Jones had the worst game of his career. TB was just better. GB chance to win against them was in execution.

[GB-Brandon]

https://youtu.be/-Ka3eylZrQc

[GB-Brandon]

https://twitter.com/IanKenyonNFL/status/1361336198900420613

[RashanGary]

You can’t fake that passion Brandon. There is a real demand for you in gay porn. See if you can get Rodgers to star in one for you. You’ll shine bright like a diamond! No star shines bright enough to take the stage from you in a messy blowjob competition.

[GB-Brandon]

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1361307026769539075

[MadtownPacker]

https://youtu.be/-Ka3eylZrQcI watched the whole game. He deserves his share of the blame. MVP? Unless it’s the SB one why give a fuck!

[GB-Brandon]

I watched the whole game. He deserves his share of the blame. MVP? Unless it’s the SB one why give a fuck!

I’m sure he would admit he left a few plays out there and everyone can have their opinion of who’s too blame. Hopefully everyone has learned what was enough and what wasn’t enough and the front office can do the necessary things so that none of us have to have this bitter taste in our mouths next season.

It is my opinion if they get a legit no.2 that teams can’t just sit on & that allows them to double Adams all day, that it will change the whole complexion of the Packers offense avoiding some of breakdowns we saw late in this game. Getting Bakh back will obviously help too.

[MadtownPacker]

I’m down with swing for a strong #2 WR. Brown would have been the perfect fit but that got passed up for moral reasons IMO.

[GB-Brandon]

I wanted him badly too. Gute apparently made a phone call to him but that’s about as far as it went.

Some of these things need to get farther along then phone calls.

[MadtownPacker]

I wanted him badly too. Gute apparently made a phone call to him but that’s about as far as it went.

Some of these things need to get farther along then phone calls.I didn’t know about the phone call. That’s actually a page out of your playbook. I felt the Brady helping Brown when he was getting dissed by everyone was too much of a factor. Consider me impressed he even tried.

Now you want to go all out well what can be done for Fitzgerald?

[GB-Brandon]

I didn’t know about the phone call. That’s actually a page out of your playbook. I felt the Brady helping Brown when he was getting dissed by everyone was too much of a factor. Consider me impressed he even tried.

Now you want to go all out well what can be done for Fitzgerald?

Larry Fitzgerald? He should probably retire. HOF player obviously and everything but he is completely washed. Cardinals gonna let him go.

[SudsMcBucky]

I’m down with swing for a strong #2 WR. Brown would have been the perfect fit but that got passed up for moral reasons IMO.

Quit fooling yourself. Brown had no intention of going anywhere but playing with Brady. Any other "discussion" was for max income purposes. He was never coming to GB.

[GB-Brandon]

Quit fooling yourself. Brown had no intention of going anywhere but playing with Brady. Any other "discussion" was for max income purposes. He was never coming to GB.

Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on how aggressive the Packers really wanted to be. We don’t know the dialogue etc etc. Was it, “Hey Antonio, How you doing? You thinking about playing? Okay sounds good, we’ll keep in Touch. Bye”

Sometimes there is more to this then just putting out offer sheets. Talk of a phone call doesn’t make me feel that the Packers were putting on the full court press to recruit Antonio Brown. Yes, Tampa and Brady probably had the inside track but I’m not sure the Packers ever really gave themselves a real shot to begin with.

[Zool]

Quit fooling yourself. Brown had no intention of going anywhere but playing with Brady. Any other "discussion" was for max income purposes. He was never coming to GB.

Well that can't be true. I want a player to go to Green Bay, so if they don't it's 100% the fault of the GM. If you want a thing, you get a thing.

[Fritz]

Well that can't be true. I want a player to go to Green Bay, so if they don't it's 100% the fault of the GM. If you want a thing, you get a thing.

That's it exactly!

It's also helpful to remember that if you don't get the player you want in the move you want, and you raise holy hell, but that player flops elsewhere or gets cut or hurt, you need never mention that afterward.

Same thing if the GM does get the player you want in the move you want: if it works, you crow about it and tell everyone you were right, but if it flops, you stay quiet.

[RashanGary]

That's it exactly!

It's also helpful to remember that if you don't get the player you want in the move you want, and you raise holy hell, but that player flops elsewhere or gets cut or hurt, you need never mention that afterward.

Same thing if the GM does get the player you want in the move you want: if it works, you crow about it and tell everyone you were right, but if it flops, you stay quiet.

I thought Kevin king would put it together. Boy was I wrong. Plays 18 yards off on third and 3, ok, maybe he’ll figure it out. Then in the NFCC game dude plays straight man up in the worst situation possible and gives up a tud at the half. He’ll never get it.

[Zool]

I thought Kevin king would put it together. Boy was I wrong. Plays 18 yards off on third and 3, ok, maybe he’ll figure it out. Then in the NFCC game dude plays straight man up in the worst situation possible and gives up a tud at the half. He’ll never get it.

Imagine being his coach on the sidelines knowing he holds your ability to collect paychecks in his hands. I'd be screaming at him all the time.