AR wants out?!

[Joemailman]

We'll see. I don't know why he's such a complicated fella. It's just a beautiful mystery. I guess we should just R-E-L-A-X.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

We'll see. I don't know why he's such a complicated fella. It's just a beautiful mystery. I guess we should just R-E-L-A-X.

In other words, 12 is a sophisticated Millennial. The dude ain’t black or white or even gray. He’s every color of the fucking rainbow.

4, on the other hand, is a Gen X redneck. He might not be as simple-minded as Boomer rednecks, but his simplicity is still obvious to the core.

To paraphrase Coldplay, give me 12 cos 12 is best; in confusion, confidence.

[RashanGary]

In other words, 12 is a sophisticated Millennial. The dude ain’t black or white or even gray. He’s every color of the fucking rainbow.

4, on the other hand, is a Gen X redneck. He might not be as simple-minded as Boomer rednecks, but his simplicity is still obvious to the core.

To paraphrase Coldplay, give me 12 cos 12 is best; in confusion, confidence.


The new generations see you as a Neanderthal too, apb. You don’t understand the 33 genders or 17 sexualities. You’re a gender forcing redneck.

[RashanGary]

In order to be sophisticated, you have to enjoy tranny porn now, apb.

[RashanGary]

In other words, 12 is a sophisticated Millennial. The dude ain’t black or white or even gray. He’s every color of the fucking rainbow.

4, on the other hand, is a Gen X redneck. He might not be as simple-minded as Boomer rednecks, but his simplicity is still obvious to the core.

To paraphrase Coldplay, give me 12 cos 12 is best; in confusion, confidence.

I’ve been watching “swamp people” on history channel. Some really good hearted rednecks on there. You’d be enlightened to watch.

[Bretsky]

In order to be sophisticated, you have to enjoy tranny porn now, apb.

I'm all about porn; but I'm not sure Tranny porn relates to being sophisticated...lol

[Harlan Huckleby]

BREAKING: Colin Cowherd said that Rodgers is returning to Packers because he was jokey at a golf thingy a couple days ago.

[red]

BREAKING: Colin Cowherd said that Rodgers is returning to Packers because he was jokey at a golf thingy a couple days ago.

cowherd can choke to death on his own dick for all i care

i can not stand that that holier then thou piece of shit

[Freak Out]

Arod going full DB. What a childish fuck.

[wist43]

In order to be sophisticated, you have to enjoy tranny porn now, apb.

Dude, that's messed up :butt:

[wist43]

Arod going full DB. What a childish fuck.

I admit I'm olderish, what does DB mean??

Like Mad, a Dumb Beaner??

[wist43]

I'm all about porn; but I'm not sure Tranny porn relates to being sophisticated...lol

My wife wants me to take her to the porn shop to check it out, lol... I keep telling her, no she doesn't.

In the Philippines though, they sell porn right out in the open, so she grew up looking at some weird shit, lol

[RashanGary]

I admit I'm olderish, what does DB mean??

Like Mad, a Dumb Beaner??

Douche bag. And you're not too old to know that one.

[Harlan Huckleby]

"douche bag" is kind of a weird insult. Hygiene products really should be celebrated, and none more so than that one.

I love the bidet that I added to my toilet - tp is for chumps. Don't get me started on my nose hair trimmer.

[Upnorth]

You really think Rodgers is gonna be dead weight after this year? I’m not all the way with Tex, but I sure do think Rodgers can (if he’s in a good situation) play at a very high level until age 42.

Favre had a great year with Minnesota in a new offense at the age of 40. Rodgers takes better care of himself, has always had more speed and leg talent, has little to no drop off in arm talent…. There’s no reason, in a good chemistry environment, Rodgers can’t have great years into his early 40s.

We have him under current contract until 40. Adding 5 years makes him 45. Even if he plays well at 42 which is a huge leap of faith that is still 3 dead years. I think sparky is closer on the numbers than we want.

[RashanGary]

"douche bag" is kind of a weird insult. Hygiene products really should be celebrated, and none more so than that one.

I love the bidet that I added to my toilet - tp is for chumps. Don't get me started on my nose hair trimmer.

I like my vaginas to marinate a little. Doucheing just takes a good thing and worsens it.

[Joemailman]

During the American Century Championship celebrity golf tournament in Tahoe on Saturday, Rodgers was asked about his future.

“I’m going to enjoy the hell out of this week,” Rodgers said, “and then I’m going to get back to working out, and figure things out in a couple weeks.”

He does seem to be enjoying putting everybody through this guessing game. Couple of weeks takes you to the eve of training camp.

[Bretsky]

Douchebag Queen Diva

[wist43]

I like my vaginas to marinate a little. Doucheing just takes a good thing and worsens it.

How many times do I need to say this...

Dude, that's messed up :butt:

:)

[wist43]

I like my vaginas to marinate a little. Doucheing just takes a good thing and worsens it.

BTW, asian pussy tastes sweet. By far the best :) Black?? Uh, no (light skin ebony maybe), white?? double no. Hispanic?? Only after getting out of the shower...

This doth end this life lesson :thank:

[Vincenzo]

I like my vaginas to marinate a little. Doucheing just takes a good thing and worsens it.
I always had you pegged as a complete idiot, this kind of garbage just confirms it.

[King Friday]

He does seem to be enjoying putting everybody through this guessing game. Couple of weeks takes you to the eve of training camp.

It would be nice if someone had the balls to call Rodgers on his BS. Acting as if he doesn't have this figured out yet is a flat out lie. Rodgers knows exactly what he is going to do already. The proper question to ask at this point is how long does it really take to assess if he will return to a team with a championship caliber roster which has him under a lucrative contract for the next 3 years...when the other choice is to risk millions of dollars in fines and the ire of teammates by protesting how the front office operates? To me, it seems like that kind of decision only takes a few seconds at this point.

[call_me_ishmael]

He already leaked his playbook. When Brady asked, he said "I never said that" in reference to being mad at his boss. Rodgers is going to say this is all a fabricated story essentially blown way out of proportion in my opinion. He has no other options essentially.

[Joemailman]

He already leaked his playbook. When Brady asked, he said "I never said that" in reference to being mad at his boss. Rodgers is going to say this is all a fabricated story essentially blown way out of proportion in my opinion. He has no other options essentially.

I think that's close. There were reports the Packers made Rodgers a contract offer last March. My guess is Rodgers accepts what has been offered then or since then, and says he got what he wanted all along.

[texaspackerbacker]

He already leaked his playbook. When Brady asked, he said "I never said that" in reference to being mad at his boss. Rodgers is going to say this is all a fabricated story essentially blown way out of proportion in my opinion. He has no other options essentially.

For once, I agree with you - and I should, since it's essentially what I've been saying all along, except for that last part, that is. He actually has a ton of options.

And Friday, you're probably right, he knows damn well what he's gonna do, but why the hell should he tell us or the God damned media or maybe even the team leadership what he's gonna do? What's wrong with letting everybody sweat for a while? Trying to empathize, I think if I had his extreme (and multiple) talents and abilities and felt a little bit irked, I'd probably do the same thing.

[Tony Oday]

I do think AR just wants the Packers to keep a player, if possible, that he asks for. JK was cheap and ARs buddy so why not keep him just to make AR happy?

[Zool]

I do think AR just wants the Packers to keep a player, if possible, that he asks for. JK was cheap and ARs buddy so why not keep him just to make AR happy?

Maybe Adams hated him. Who do you side with?

[call_me_ishmael]

For once, I agree with you - and I should, since it's essentially what I've been saying all along, except for that last part, that is. He actually has a ton of options.

And Friday, you're probably right, he knows damn well what he's gonna do, but why the hell should he tell us or the God damned media or maybe even the team leadership what he's gonna do? What's wrong with letting everybody sweat for a while? Trying to empathize, I think if I had his extreme (and multiple) talents and abilities and felt a little bit irked, I'd probably do the same thing.

He has no "options". What, is he going to leave 100M on the table plus torch his reputation? Of course not.

If tried to get the Packers to trade him and they didn't. I think everyone knows he's getting dealt next off-season or a phat new deal. It will be very clear which is occuring by the time training camp starts IMO.

[call_me_ishmael]

Maybe Adams hated him. Who do you side with?

QB.

[Jaire]

Way too much speculation that I see little basis for.

They are still trading AR next year. AR has always wanted just to stay in GB at least through this contract. He absolutely doesn't want to get traded to another franchise like Denver because of all the draft capital they will give up. I can't see how that is a good place (or division) for him.

All Gute had to do was guarantee AR til 40. Every word Gute has uttered confirms that they will only keep AR this year. Why Gute says they want AR this year "and beyond": code for we will reassess next spring which indeed is "beyond". 95% Gute's fault. No other franchise would or has done this to an MVP QB. And it will have repercussions for FAs to GB and resigning our own.

Even if AR comes back this year, I don't see Adams resigning. He already hinted it. (IMO it's Adams or AR, not both. I think AR can lead a #1 offense with all the other weapons and the system and we won when Adams was down. But if AR goes, Adams leaves too.)

Not sure it was said in this thread. Just wanted to note that if Gute doesn't keep AR, I think the future is bleak for future FAs. And outside FAs came because of AR not the FO, even then moat FAs don't consider GB.

[texaspackerbacker]

He has no "options". What, is he going to leave 100M on the table plus torch his reputation? Of course not.

If tried to get the Packers to trade him and they didn't. I think everyone knows he's getting dealt next off-season or a phat new deal. It will be very clear which is occuring by the time training camp starts IMO.

I'm certainly not saying he would walk away from all the money he would make as well as the competitive fun. I'm just saying he could do a LOT of other things - Jeopardy maybe, other show biz stuff, football commentating, even maybe golf. And with all the money he's already made, he could probably do without future football money.

And a big hell no to the idea that "everyone knows he's getting traded next off-season" and also to the idea that they even tried to trade him this year. I'm fairly sure he plays out his career in Green Bay, and that is minimum 3 more years, hopefully a good deal more.

It will be clear by the end of training camp almost for sure, but by the beginning? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on that.

Jaire, I've really got just about as low an opinion of Gutekunst as you do, but I think you're jumping the gun with all this negativity. Rodgers stays, Adams stays, anybody else worth keeping gets kept.

[Jaire]

Adams already put it out there. He's leaving if they don't fix the AR deal. I can in no way blame him.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

BTW, asian pussy tastes sweet. By far the best :) Black?? Uh, no (light skin ebony maybe), white?? double no. Hispanic?? Only after getting out of the shower...

This doth end this life lesson :thank:

Holy fuck, wist. You dig Asian chicks like the Kardashians dig black men.

[RashanGary]

Welcome back, jaire!

[wist43]

Holy fuck, wist. You dig Asian chicks like the Kardashians dig black men.

I better dig asian chicks, my wife is asian :)

Couldn't ask for a better wife.

[Spaulding]

Way too much speculation that I see little basis for.

They are still trading AR next year. AR has always wanted just to stay in GB at least through this contract. He absolutely doesn't want to get traded to another franchise like Denver because of all the draft capital they will give up. I can't see how that is a good place (or division) for him.

All Gute had to do was guarantee AR til 40. Every word Gute has uttered confirms that they will only keep AR this year. Why Gute says they want AR this year "and beyond": code for we will reassess next spring which indeed is "beyond". 95% Gute's fault. No other franchise would or has done this to an MVP QB. And it will have repercussions for FAs to GB and resigning our own.

Even if AR comes back this year, I don't see Adams resigning. He already hinted it. (IMO it's Adams or AR, not both. I think AR can lead a #1 offense with all the other weapons and the system and we won when Adams was down. But if AR goes, Adams leaves too.)

Not sure it was said in this thread. Just wanted to note that if Gute doesn't keep AR, I think the future is bleak for future FAs. And outside FAs came because of AR not the FO, even then moat FAs don't consider GB.

I think any potential damage from this will be short lived with the current roster. And even at that, I'm guessing only a few players have relationships with Rodgers and will miss when he's gone. Love is likeable and the chemistry with the younger roster probably better even if the results on the field aren't the best.

Besides, money trumps all. If Rodgers was young and this occurred possibly a different story as it would be a reminder as long as he played that the Packers weren't loyal to the best player. However he's in the twilight of his career and once he's out of the league all of this will be just a memory. Players simply won't care if the Packers are offering a good contract.

[texaspackerbacker]

hahahaha you know all that how? I agree, there won't be significant damage from all of this, assuming the highly probably happens, and Rodgers plays at least a few more years for the Packers.

[Upnorth]

If we can manage to keep ar for say 2 more years what do you think the probability of this thread catching the Favre thread are?

If he becomes an annual drama queen I give it 15% chance if love is average. 30% if he is below average or garbage.

[RashanGary]

If we can manage to keep ar for say 2 more years what do you think the probability of this thread catching the Favre thread are?

If he becomes an annual drama queen I give it 15% chance if love is average. 30% if he is below average or garbage.

In the last 15 years we have the two biggest quarterback dramas in the league and two.of the bigger qb dramas all.time. Above all else, I cross my fingers that Love is the third HOF QB in a row. 45 years of HOF QB play will never be matched. 30 probably won't be.

[Upnorth]

In the last 15 years we have the two biggest quarterback dramas in the league and two.of the bigger qb dramas all.time. Above all else, I cross my fingers that Love is the third HOF QB in a row. 45 years of HOF QB play will never be matched. 30 probably won't be.

I pray for the hof threepeat as well, but would lay money down against it happening.

To hear the cub, kitten and queen fans howl would be so soul satisfying

[Joemailman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0XGJyoszQA&t=101s

[Harlan Huckleby]

In the last 15 years we have the two biggest quarterback dramas in the league and two.of the bigger qb dramas all.time. Above all else, I cross my fingers that Love is the third HOF QB in a row. 45 years of HOF QB play will never be matched. 30 probably won't be.

What year are you predicting Love will demand to be traded?

[Harlan Huckleby]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0XGJyoszQA&t=101s

Tausch nailed it

[Upnorth]

What year are you predicting Love will demand to be traded?

Based on history his 16th year. That was both 4 and 12s magic number I believe.

[George Cumby]

Based on history his 16th year. That was both 4 and 12s magic number I believe.

Ah. Back to the Numerology. Channelling Brandon or whatever the fuck his name is? :-P

[Jaire]

Based on history his 16th year. That was both 4 and 12s magic number I believe.

We should get a head start and begin a thread on whether Love is asking to be traded.

[Joemailman]

A lot of people moving toward the idea that Rodgers plays for Packers in 2021 and is traded in the offseason. If so, does that mean he plays under the terms of his current contract? At any rate, it will be interesting to see how the season unfolds with Rodgers playing with .........

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-81d936c686266a1012d76455583591ca

[red]

A lot of people moving toward the idea that Rodgers plays for Packers in 2021 and is traded in the offseason. If so, does that mean he plays under the terms of his current contract? At any rate, it will be interesting to see how the season unfolds with Rodgers playing with .........

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-81d936c686266a1012d76455583591ca

Which is exactly what the team wanted to do all along and pissed off Rodgers in the first place

[Jaire]

Which is exactly what the team wanted to do all along and pissed off Rodgers in the first place

Bingo

[HarveyWallbangers]

Actually, I think the team would prefer two more years of Rodgers.

[RashanGary]

Actually, I think the team would prefer two more years of Rodgers.

Two more years and then trade him for a 2nd round pick would be ideal. Rodgers doesn’t like the timeline and doesn’t even know if it’s one year or two so he’s being used as a placeholder. But maybe love doesn’t show enough and they ride rodgers till the end. The uncertainty and attempt to move on made rodgers pissed.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm just a simple man who doesn't understand the ways of the world. But why the fuck would the Packers let Rodgers leave before he completes the remaining 3 years of his contract?

Who is that last elite QB who successfully whined his way out of a contract in the NFL?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I'm just a simple man who doesn't understand the ways of the world. But why the fuck would the Packers let Rodgers leave before he completes the remaining 3 years of his contract?

Who is that last elite QB who successfully whined his way out of a contract in the NFL?

A simple man and his blushing bride. Why’d you have to go and get it die. I listen sad songs cos I am sad.

To answer your ?, Favre. Redneck gunslinger had 3 years left on a 10 years “lifetime” contract. Polar Bear traded 4 to the J-E-T-S where he played a token season. Afterwards, 4 retired, unretired and then was released by the J-E-T-S, which voided that 10 years contract. As a free agent, 4 signed with the Queens. Subsequently, 4 stuck it to the Polar Bear…TWICE!

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Speaking of the Jets, they will practice with our beloved Pack in cold, dark and dull Green Bay prior to the week 2 preseason game.

Recall how much 12 hated practicing with the Tex-asses a few summers ago. Said he’d rather swim with sharks or slang plastic at chains at the local disc golf course than go through such a tedious ordeal again.

Way to irk 12 furthermore, management! Now 12 ain’t gonna show up till September.

[SudsMcBucky]

A simple man and his blushing bride. Why’d you have to go and get it die. I listen sad songs cos I am sad.

To answer your ?, Favre. Redneck gunslinger had 3 years left on a 10 years “lifetime” contract. Polar Bear traded 4 to the J-E-T-S where he played a token season. Afterwards, 4 retired, unretired and then was released by the J-E-T-S, which voided that 10 years contract. As a free agent, 4 signed with the Queens. Subsequently, 4 stuck it to the Polar Bear…TWICE!

4 didn't stick it to the Polar Bear. It's the other way around. Polar Bear got his SB post-4. 4 never got his post-Packers.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

4 didn't stick it to the Polar Bear. It's the other way around. Polar Bear got his SB post-4. 4 never got his post-Packers.

You mean that FLUKE Super Bowl win that wouldn’t have happened without D-Jax (and D-Jax didn’t play for the Packers!)?

If Thompson wasn’t so incompetent, 12 woulda won more than fluke ring by now. Heck, 12 woulda won a ring in 2008 as 4’s backup.

Post fluke SB victory, three names pretty much sum up the Polar Bear’s incompetence: Kap, Bostick and Gunther.

[SudsMcBucky]

You mean that FLUKE Super Bowl win that wouldn’t have happened without D-Jax (and D-Jax didn’t play for the Packers!)?

If Thompson wasn’t so incompetent, 12 woulda won more than fluke ring by now. Heck, 12 woulda won a ring in 2008 as 4’s backup.

Post fluke SB victory, three names pretty much sum up the Polar Bear’s incompetence: Kap, Bostick and Gunther.

I'm not arguing Thompson shouldn't have gotten 12 more SB's than the 1. You're now making a different argument. My only argument was that 4 didn't really stick it TT.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I'm not arguing Thompson shouldn't have gotten 12 more SB's than the 1. You're now making a different argument. My only argument was that 4 didn't really stick it TT.

You must’ve missed the two Packers-Queens games in 2009. Only on the Castro did other folks stick it to Thompson more times than Favre did that year. ;)

Win those two games, Packers probably coulda gotten homefield. Instead, 12 overthrew a wide open Greg Jennings in the desert.

[Upnorth]

You must’ve missed the two Packers-Queens games in 2009. Only on the Castro did other folks stick it to Thompson more times than Favre did that year. ;)

Win those two games, Packers probably coulda gotten homefield. Instead, 12 overthrew a wide open Greg Jennings in the desert.

Packers definately came out ahead in that exchange with Favre and it's not even close.

[Jaire]

You mean that FLUKE Super Bowl win that wouldn’t have happened without D-Jax (and D-Jax didn’t play for the Packers!)?

If Thompson wasn’t so incompetent, 12 woulda won more than fluke ring by now. Heck, 12 woulda won a ring in 2008 as 4’s backup.

Post fluke SB victory, three names pretty much sum up the Polar Bear’s incompetence: Kap, Bostick and Gunther.

I don't know.

In a ten year span we lost to career (or Packer career) ending injuries: Al Harris, Nick Collins, Tramon Williams, Charles Woodson, Sam Shields. Those were all stud C1 cbs, HoF safety. That is irreplaceable talent, not to mention injuries to Finley and Nelson. I don't know of another team that ever went through that kind of decimation.

Yeah. Mistakes were definitely made, but draft wise the Packers were and still are near the top. They have the most star studded roster now since the decimation beginning in 2010.

It's really the arrogance of the FO that is hard to watch now. So easily, this team could continue and improve their present success. Andrew Brandt is only half correct in his analysis of the problem. The Green Bay Packers never treated any of their stars like they have Rodgers. Woodson comes closest and that was a coaching issue imo -- they could have hung onto him if they just knew better how to lead men. Charles was one of the best characters and players to don a Packers uniform. We lost a great player and the best team leader of the last 15 years: something we still don't have on defense I think. Maybe Amos; Tramon for a year.

[Jaire]

I'm just a simple man who doesn't understand the ways of the world. But why the f*!& would the Packers let Rodgers leave before he completes the remaining 3 years of his contract?




You and the whole real football world outside Wisconsin. Not to mention said MVP (and his coach). This is FUBAR and unheard of: if it continues to swirl down, GB Packers fans will be processing the enormity of the debacle for the next decade. Just look at MLF's expression for his interviews from about May through June: a man who lost his wife & kids and favorite dog.

[Zool]

I'm just a simple man who doesn't understand the ways of the world. But why the fuck would the Packers let Rodgers leave before he completes the remaining 3 years of his contract?

Who is that last elite QB who successfully whined his way out of a contract in the NFL?

Unfrozed cave man Harlan?

[HarveyWallbangers]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/07/20/aaron-rodgers-declined-new-contract-from-packers-this-offseason/


According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Packers offered Rodgers a lucrative two-year extension that would have guaranteed his spot in Green Bay past next season and made him the highest-paid player in the NFL, but he declined the offer.

[call_me_ishmael]

Spicy indeed. Makes you wonder if he just wants to live in Cali or he feels that he has a much better chance on winning a title elsewhere.

[Zool]

Huh, Schefter you say? Does he also have no source for this story?

[ThunderDan]

I'm just a simple man who doesn't understand the ways of the world. But why the fuck would the Packers let Rodgers leave before he completes the remaining 3 years of his contract?

Who is that last elite QB who successfully whined his way out of a contract in the NFL?

John Elway did it before he had a contract. Said he would play baseball if he wasn't traded.

[ThunderDan]

Huh, Schefter you say? Does he also have no source for this story?

That was my thought too.

If it is true, ARod has played his last down as a Packer.

[call_me_ishmael]

Huh, Schefter you say? Does he also have no source for this story?

One person's "no source" is another persons "way too many sources to cite because it is common knowledge" FWIW.

[call_me_ishmael]

https://twitter.com/jayars66/status/1417502478715789315?s=20

[George Cumby]

Who is this Erin person everyone is talking about?

[call_me_ishmael]

Based on this breaking today and seeing JSO writers run with it makes me think the Packers leaked this knowing he isn't coming to camp? We shall see. One week left. This all is so silly.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'd be very surprised if he did come to camp, especially at the beginning of camp, and even if Shefter is a worthless lying bastard, the story of the extension offer being rejected might be true, but that is far from a bad ending to the story. Whatever Rodgers wants he will either get ultimately or else a compromise a lot closer to it than this supposed offer. The term "extension" implies that the two years comes at the end of the 2 or 3 he is currently under contract for. Does anybody know if that is the case? Or if it was just some kind of a guaranteeing or "no cut or trade" provision added to the current deal?

My prediction, I say again, is that he comes in with a deal in place to his liking, a week or two before the first regular season game.

[jklowan]

I'd be very surprised if he did come to camp, especially at the beginning of camp, and even if Shefter is a worthless lying bastard, the story of the extension offer being rejected might be true, but that is far from a bad ending to the story. Whatever Rodgers wants he will either get ultimately or else a compromise a lot closer to it than this supposed offer. The term "extension" implies that the two years comes at the end of the 2 or 3 he is currently under contract for. Does anybody know if that is the case? Or if it was just some kind of a guaranteeing or "no cut or trade" provision added to the current deal?

My prediction, I say again, is that he comes in with a deal in place to his liking, a week or two before the first regular season game.

This only works if Jordan Love looks bad while Rodgers is not at camp, If he looks good it lessens his leverage imho, 4 million a year looks a lot better than 40 when your trying to fill out the roster beyond the QB position. This is a dangerous game Rodgers is playing and it might bite him in the ass. I am a Packers fan and only want us to win, that being said I hope this ends soon as I am sick of it already. GO PACK GO!!! Reports out of the session he had with Watson and Fields are that he looked great and that is coming from Fields trainer.

[Jaire]

Any offers were such that we can trade him next year, until I hear different. Brandt's opinion too.

[call_me_ishmael]

Right I would just say that we don't know the terms of the offer. Did the the terms basically guarantee he'd be *here* for 5 years? I doubt he'd turn that down if so unless he really is just sick of shit and wants to either A) move for personal reasons or B) feels another team will give him more control and/or better chance to win.

I am very skeptical that the terms of the contract were as described. We don't know guaranteed money, annual structure, etc.

[texaspackerbacker]

This only works if Jordan Love looks bad while Rodgers is not at camp, If he looks good it lessens his leverage imho, 4 million a year looks a lot better than 40 when your trying to fill out the roster beyond the QB position. This is a dangerous game Rodgers is playing and it might bite him in the ass. I am a Packers fan and only want us to win, that being said I hope this ends soon as I am sick of it already. GO PACK GO!!! Reports out of the session he had with Watson and Fields are that he looked great and that is coming from Fields trainer.

Do you seriously think anybody in the team leadership seriously thinks the Packers can win it all with Love at QB - even if he does turn out to be way above average for a young QB? And Watson and Fields? Is that Dashaun and Justin? I didn't hear about such a workout if that's what you mean, but it sounds encouraging.

[Jaire]

If I am AR, I'm pissed.

Ten years of mediocrity except 2014 and now he has a legit contender and they want to retire him after an MVP season. Nothing reported (and believable) contradicts that the FO wants the option to move him after this year. The FO are in on Love. As I've stated, imo AR is another level than any QB to play before. Brady has always relied heavily on his defense. Not that he isn't a great QB (but very different), but winning rings is largely luck. It takes a whole team. I think a lot of people are not seeing this from AR's viewpoint. He feels he did all he could to show he wanted to stay and put up an MVP season. He has tread left and his arm is still one of the best in the league. Anyways, hope he comes back a year. It would be good to see him win a ring before he leaves.

I could see AR coming back for a year and taking Davante with him to Denver, but his best spot is GB or (past tense now) San Fran.

Love's biggest question is how he sees the field and processes. That's a big question. And we won't know til he takes the field. He has all the tools and the highest ceiling of any QB last year.

[Jaire]

At the golf match, AR hinted he would make a decision by next week.

We'll see.

[HarveyWallbangers]

It's pretty obvious what's happened, and I stated this several months ago. When the Packers drafted Love, Rodgers was coming off back-to-back mediocre seasons (playing at a Kirk Cousins level). They drafted a guy they liked as insurance. I think the original idea was to give Rodgers a couple of years and then turn to Love, if he was ready. The Packers were never going to move on from Rodgers this offseason. After his MVP year, the Packers were willing to give him basically a guarantee of two more years. He declined the offer. The Packers won't, and shouldn't, hamstring themselves financial for a 40-year-old QB (i.e. give Rodgers more than two years basically guaranteed). Now knowing they basically offered him a second guaranteed year (which I think he deserved), I don't have a problem at all with how Gutey has handled this.

[HarveyWallbangers]

If I am AR, I'm pissed.

Ten years of mediocrity except 2014 and now he has a legit contender and they want to retire him after an MVP season.

Cry me a river. Gutey has built a team around Rodgers that is a legit championship contender, and he went all in this offseason.

[Sparkey]

Do you seriously think anybody in the team leadership seriously thinks the Packers can win it all with Love at QB - even if he does turn out to be way above average for a young QB? And Watson and Fields? Is that Dashaun and Justin? I didn't hear about such a workout if that's what you mean, but it sounds encouraging.

Yes, I think they do. They probably dream of the talent they can add around Love with the xtra 30 million in cap space

[jklowan]

Do you seriously think anybody in the team leadership seriously thinks the Packers can win it all with Love at QB - even if he does turn out to be way above average for a young QB? And Watson and Fields? Is that Dashaun and Justin? I didn't hear about such a workout if that's what you mean, but it sounds encouraging.

TEX you are going to be wrong I think ...LOVE may just be ready

https://heavy.com/sports/green-bay-packers/jordan-love-ready-replace-aaron-rodgers/?fbclid=IwAR2_MLSJeg-wGotaSiZoFJoSaEGbee3XprOeXQXHe4TvQkP-I7_1f18ekOI

https://247sports.com/Article/Jordan-Love-looked-exceptionally-good-workout-Green-Bay-Packers-Aaron-Rodgers-QB-Deshaun-Watson-Justin-Fields-NFL-167752854/ (https://heavy.com/sports/green-bay-packers/jordan-love-ready-replace-aaron-rodgers/?fbclid=IwAR2_MLSJeg-wGotaSiZoFJoSaEGbee3XprOeXQXHe4TvQkP-I7_1f18ekOI)

[Harlan Huckleby]

This only works if Jordan Love looks bad while Rodgers is not at camp, If he looks good it lessens his leverage imho, 4 million a year looks a lot better than 40 when your trying to fill out the roster beyond the QB position. This is a dangerous game Rodgers is playing and it might bite him in the ass. I am a Packers fan and only want us to win, that being said I hope this ends soon as I am sick of it already. GO PACK GO!!! Reports out of the session he had with Watson and Fields are that he looked great and that is coming from Fields trainer.

But the Packers only get that 40M cap relief (or some large number) if they release Rodgers, right? That is victory for AR.

[Harlan Huckleby]

TEX you are going to be wrong

like predicting the green bananas will turn yellow

[ThunderDan]

But the Packers only get that 40M cap relief (or some large number) if they release Rodgers, right? That is victory for AR.

Nope, they get relief if he retires.

[ThunderDan]

I think the Packers and AR will hash out some 1 year deal at this point.

AR plays 1 year and then gets traded to the AFC.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Nope, they get relief if he retires.

Sure, but I assume he would sit-out, not retire.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think the Packers and AR will hash out some 1 year deal at this point.

AR plays 1 year and then gets traded to the AFC.

maybe, but I expect GB will just hold him to his contract. Arod's claim is that he is second coming of Tom Brady. He can prove it when he hits 40.

[texaspackerbacker]

TEX you are going to be wrong I think ...LOVE may just be ready

https://heavy.com/sports/green-bay-packers/jordan-love-ready-replace-aaron-rodgers/?fbclid=IwAR2_MLSJeg-wGotaSiZoFJoSaEGbee3XprOeXQXHe4TvQkP-I7_1f18ekOI

https://247sports.com/Article/Jordan-Love-looked-exceptionally-good-workout-Green-Bay-Packers-Aaron-Rodgers-QB-Deshaun-Watson-Justin-Fields-NFL-167752854/ (https://heavy.com/sports/green-bay-packers/jordan-love-ready-replace-aaron-rodgers/?fbclid=IwAR2_MLSJeg-wGotaSiZoFJoSaEGbee3XprOeXQXHe4TvQkP-I7_1f18ekOI)



I wouldn't be at all surprised if he is ready, but that is a far cry from GOAT-quality as we and the offense has gotten used to. I previously said maybe we win 3-5 games with Love. I will revise that upward to 7-9 wins - nowhere near good enough in my book.

second coming of Brady? Sheeeeesh, by any individual standard, Rodgers is way better.

I fully expect him to be a Packer for the rest of his career, and for that to last minimum of 3 years, more likely, 5-7 or even more.

[Jaire]

...... After his MVP year, the Packers were willing to give him basically a guarantee of two more years. He declined the offer. The Packers won't, and shouldn't, hamstring themselves financial for a 40-year-old QB (i.e. give Rodgers more than two years basically guaranteed). Now knowing they basically offered him a second guaranteed year (which I think he deserved), I don't have a problem at all with how Gutey has handled this.

Ok. That makes sense. But I still hold nothing against AR. I think he is making the wrong decision. More emotional than from thinking. But maybe he has different plans. He's already got a career. He can do what he wants. It was a fun ride


We are spoiled as Packers.


Bucks just won their 2nd in 50 years. I'm ready for the Love era or a last hurrah for AR.

[ThunderDan]

Sure, but I assume he would sit-out, not retire.

He can sit out but that doesn't count as a year on the contract. He actually has to be on the roster.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I am puzzled at what AR is trying to accomplish.
Pack holds the leverage. They should insist that AR finish his contract. AR will undoubtedly have some injury time where Love
gets experience. AR is more valuable than the cap space for next few years.

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I am puzzled at what AR is trying to accomplish.
Pack holds the leverage. They should insist that AR finish his contract. AR will undoubtedly have some injury time where Love
gets experience. AR is more valuable than the cap space for next few years.

its pretty obvious, hes trying to get out of green bay

the original report was that he had played his last snap in green bay. all that has changed since that time was murphy saying some pretty stupid things when he didn't have to. and the team now leaking the info that rodgers has turned down a new contract

schein might have said it best on the radio this morning, that bridge is burned to the ground

[Bretsky]

At least Rogers can’t say footers has never used a first round pick on an offensive skill level position anymore

[King Friday]

This only works if Jordan Love looks bad while Rodgers is not at camp, If he looks good it lessens his leverage imho, 4 million a year looks a lot better than 40 when your trying to fill out the roster beyond the QB position. This is a dangerous game Rodgers is playing and it might bite him in the ass. I am a Packers fan and only want us to win, that being said I hope this ends soon as I am sick of it already. GO PACK GO!!! Reports out of the session he had with Watson and Fields are that he looked great and that is coming from Fields trainer.

I'm aligned with this view. The one year deal thing is something the Rodgers camp is trying to push. As we move forward, things will become more desperate for Rodgers. He's not ready to hang it up, or he would have retired or opted out. That means that he wants to play this year, but with a clear path out of Green Bay.

However, Green Bay has no real desire to trade him at this point. They would rather let the fines and financial losses pile up on him. Sure, he has plenty of money and can afford to take these losses...yet no wealthy person enjoys losing significant amounts of money.

This appears to be a game of chicken at this point. If Love looks halfway decent, it greatly reduces the chance that the Packers will be the ones who blink first.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This appears to be a game of chicken at this point. If Love looks halfway decent, it greatly reduces the chance that the Packers will be the ones who blink first.

If Love looks like shit the Packers have more incentive to keep Rodgers through his full contract.

I don't believe the Packers have any desire to lose AR now or a year from now. He's too good. Love will take a couple years to be ready.

[Harlan Huckleby]

its pretty obvious, hes trying to get out of green bay

He's under contract. Trading him stinks for GB, his contract terms are perfect for Packers.

I don't understand why AR wants out. Does he want out bad enough to retire?

[call_me_ishmael]

https://twitter.com/WoodleyLori/status/1417885531678023682?s=20

Shalein’s mom. Yes I know I butchered the spelling, no I don’t care.

[RashanGary]

I see the same things hh.

[Harlan Huckleby]

So AR's mother-in-law and other twitter twits suggest that AROD is disrespected by packer management.
AR has worked under Murphy for 15 years. Now two years into 4 year deal he discovers that Murphy is insufferable? The indignities justify breaking a contract?

I'm not dismissing AR's complaints. But he's a big boy who signed his deal with eyes wide open. He works for the NFL, not just the Packers. If life is too harsh he needs to leave nfl.

[RashanGary]

AR isn’t going to retire.

I’m not sure how long AR can hold out into camp or into the season to still collect his pay day.

However long that is, he has every right to not show up until the final hour to try to work out a deal that he wants.

It’s up to each person whether or not he’s disrespecting his teammates and the game by doing that. He’s pissed off that they drafted his replacement and wants what he wants in return. Nobody knows for sure what that is, that he’s demanding.

I don’t expect the Packers to cave. I half expect Rodgers to cave. It could end any number of ways. Many fans will never forgive him for doing what he might be about to do. The good thing is, we find out soon enough.

[texaspackerbacker]

What I get from that mother-in-law tweet is that she is not a regular Stephen A watcher, and she didn't comprehend that he was saying Rodgers is so horribly dissatisfied with the team leadership - which may or mmay not be what he was actually saying - the guy is damn dumb enough to believe that. In fact, Rodgers hasn't publicly said anything all that controversial at all, which probably is what Ms. Woodly is alluding to.

If the detractors and panic mongers turn out to be right, and he does wangle his way out of Green Bay either this season or before next, then fans damn well shouldn't ever forgive him. On the other hand, if he plays at least several more years, there's really nothing to forgive. All the shit being spewed was from sources other than him.

[hoosier]

So AR's mother-in-law and other twitter twits suggest that AROD is disrespected by packer management.
AR has worked under Murphy for 15 years. Now two years into 4 year deal he discovers that Murphy is insufferable? The indignities justify breaking a contract?

I'm not dismissing AR's complaints. But he's a big boy who signed his deal with eyes wide open. He works for the NFL, not just the Packers. If life is too harsh he needs to leave nfl.

Social media really brings out the worst in people. Shailene's mom is the one who looks to be insufferable. Well, her and Tex.

[call_me_ishmael]

What I get from that mother-in-law tweet is that she is not a regular Stephen A watcher, and she didn't comprehend that he was saying Rodgers is so horribly dissatisfied with the team leadership - which may or mmay not be what he was actually saying - the guy is damn dumb enough to believe that. In fact, Rodgers hasn't publicly said anything all that controversial at all, which probably is what Ms. Woodly is alluding to.

If the detractors and panic mongers turn out to be right, and he does wangle his way out of Green Bay either this season or before next, then fans damn well shouldn't ever forgive him. On the other hand, if he plays at least several more years, there's really nothing to forgive. All the shit being spewed was from sources other than him.

The Woodley's are essentially saying that the Packers disrespected Aaron by drafting Love and not getting him the help that he needs. Right, wrong, or indifferent, I think it's undeniable that's what Rodgers is griping about.

Shailene also retweeted the same video now.

Aaron is such a bitch though. If he really wants out, he would absolutely be granted it if he would come out and say it publicly. But he won't do that because he doesn't want to burn the bridge. Packers shouldn't entertain him at all unless he publicly says he wants out.

[texaspackerbacker]

You know that how, CMI? The video could just as well not be saying that at all; Stephen A is a blowhard who often ain't too bright; And the mother-in-law's tweet didn't exactly say that she thought Stephen A was saying that. She was cither being cryptic or she was displaying lack of understanding. I didn't see what if anything Shailene had to say.

[Harlan Huckleby]

However long that is, he has every right to not show up until the final hour to try to work out a deal that he wants.

He doesn't want a deal. He apparently wants to leave.
Packers would be fools to let him out of his contract. I don't know of any precedent for an elite player just tearing up a contract. (That is not what happened with Favre; he sincerely retired before fireworks started.)

[Harlan Huckleby]

The Woodley's are essentially saying that the Packers disrespected Aaron by drafting Love and not getting him the help that he needs. Right, wrong, or indifferent, I think it's undeniable that's what Rodgers is griping about.

Stephen A sez packers have an excellent roster and so OBVIOUSLY the dispute has nothing to do with football. You say it's UNDENIABLE that it's about the roster.

I say it's a lot of haze, steam coming off a pile of shit is all we know.

[call_me_ishmael]

Steven A Smith is saying it isn't football or money related, just that ARod feels disrespected. The MIL said "truth spoken". That viewpoint is largely in line with what Rodgers said with Kenny Mayne.

[texaspackerbacker]

which was cryptic and not controversial

[Harlan Huckleby]

AR is mad that he doesn't get veto over GM. ARod was mad last year and had his best season. Let him be mad for 21, 22 and 23. I'm not sure why you think the packers should let him walk. The other players don't care. He loves excelling at football, that's his purpose.

I predict nothing much will happen.

[RashanGary]

AR is mad that he doesn't get veto over GM. ARod was mad last year and had his best season. Let him be mad for 21, 22 and 23. I'm not sure why you think the packers should let him walk. The other players don't care. He loves excelling at football, that's his purpose.

I predict nothing much will happen.

Aaron is a complicated fella. It’s like when someone calls in to spite their boss. It might have just been a spite call and then he shows up when it counts, because like you said, he loves to compete. I think that’s most likely. Favre kinda did that with offseason work for a few seasons.

[RashanGary]

The Packers can’t really cave. It might be a messed up business but it’s still a business. They just can’t let Rodgers run their team. He’s almost 40 and the Packers have a lot of football to plan for. It can’t all be up to Rodgers like he wants.

[RashanGary]

Crossing my fingers that Jordan Love is the next big thing in the NFL.

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The Packers can’t really cave. It might be a messed up business but it’s still a business. They just can’t let Rodgers run their team. He’s almost 40 and the Packers have a lot of football to plan for. It can’t all be up to Rodgers like he wants.

ok, name one thing that team has done that rodgers wanted?

and giving him employment and paying him a fair market rate isn't caving in to his demands

maybe getting rid of fat mike, which would be a huge one, but thats about all i can think of

[texaspackerbacker]

The Packers can’t really cave. It might be a messed up business but it’s still a business. They just can’t let Rodgers run their team. He’s almost 40 and the Packers have a lot of football to plan for. It can’t all be up to Rodgers like he wants.

Is that what Rodgers wants? You know this how?

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Is that what Rodgers wants? You know this how?

one of aarons best friends is on a nationally broadcast radio show every single day (aj hawk). if rodgers wanted anything to be said, he would simply tell AJ what he wanted to get out there. every single day AJ is asked if he knows anything new, and every single day AJ says, "nope"

its the packers front office putting all of this info out there in order to drive the the story and make it look like they are doing everything they can while rodgers continues to be unreasonable

rodgers just had a whole 4 or 5 hour golf show devoted to him and 3 others. he had every chance to run his mouth and bitch as much as he wants, he didn't say anything about it

if things are as bad as some people out there think, then "leaks" from the team, like the team offering him a new contract and him turning it down is only going to make the situation worse. and why would the team try and make things worse unless they know its over?

it will not surprise me if rodgers announces his retirement either right before the shareholders meeting, or right after the meeting in which the shareholders do not force murphy and or gutey to step down

or he may just show up to camp like nothing has happened

but i'm not gonna sit here like some of you and think, without really knowing anything, "there's absolutely no way this will happen or that"

[RashanGary]

ok, name one thing that team has done that rodgers wanted?

and giving him employment and paying him a fair market rate isn't caving in to his demands

maybe getting rid of fat mike, which would be a huge one, but thats about all i can think of

He had the Kenny Mayne interview where he said not just him but in general they have a people problem with the management. Players not being treated fairly. Jordy, Kumerow, etc, and then drafting Love are presumable examples. He doesn’t like how the team is run. That’s obvious. And now his gfs mom agreeing with Steven A about Rodgers being disrespected.

Rodgers may have to just deal with it. The Packers can’t let 12 run the show. It could get ugly. Or he could play one more year, they’re ready for Love and they move on next year. It’s hard to say what’s going to happen but Rodgers running the front office and making sure players are being treated right can’t really happen or the Packers might as well kiss their success goodbye. Rodgers position makes running the team complicated and sketchy. They just can’t do that.

[RashanGary]

How would you make Rodgers happy?

Give him final say on draft choices and roster decisions. Those are the things he’s upset about.


Things the Packers just can’t do?

Give Rodgers final say on personnel


How will it all settle out? We’ll see.


We do know Rodgers is a complicated fella and in order to be satisfied the team needs to be run a certain way to be “people oriented.” Another way of saying that is Rodgers is pissed unless they run the team his way. The end is near.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Players not being treated fairly. Jordy, Kumerow, etc, and then drafting Love are presumable examples.

None of these are examples of players being treated unfairly. It's a brutal business. NFL uses-up and spits out players more than any other sport. The hard salary cap makes it worse. There is no warm and caring NFL GM.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Another way of saying that is Rodgers is pissed unless they run the team his way. The end is near.

Just becuz AR is pissed doesn't mean he won't perform on Sundays. AR holds no cards and is not going anywhere, IMO.

[Harlan Huckleby]

but i'm not gonna sit here like some of you and think, without really knowing anything, "there's absolutely no way this will happen or that"

Go fuck yourself. I know the scene, gene.

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How would you make Rodgers happy?

Give him final say on draft choices and roster decisions. Those are the things he’s upset about.


Things the Packers just can’t do?

Give Rodgers final say on personnel


How will it all settle out? We’ll see.


We do know Rodgers is a complicated fella and in order to be satisfied the team needs to be run a certain way to be “people oriented.” Another way of saying that is Rodgers is pissed unless they run the team his way. The end is near.

no one is saying to give him total control over the roster, but maybe the team should listen to some of his input since he runs the offence.

from what we've heard, he tried to give some input and was told to shut his fucking mouth and worry about just throwing the ball

guess what, other teams do ask some of their players what they think of other players. its not unheard of

you think a QB shouldn't have some kinda input on what kind of WR or TE he wants. what kind of players would work best in his system?

[RashanGary]

Just becuz AR is pissed doesn't mean he won't perform on Sundays. AR holds no cards and is not going anywhere, IMO.

I put it at 65% chance he comes back for TC and 35% chance it’s part way though TC. I agree he has to play.

[RashanGary]

no one is saying to give him total control over the roster, but maybe the team should listen to some of his input since he runs the offence.

from what we've heard, he tried to give some input and was told to shut his fucking mouth and worry about just throwing the ball

guess what, other teams do ask some of their players what they think of other players. its not unheard of

you think a QB shouldn't have some kinda input on what kind of WR or TE he wants. what kind of players would work best in his system?

Maybe they hear his opinions and disagree? Outside of giving him final say when a disagreement arises, I don’t know if there’s a way to please that guy. It’s his way or the highway. Unfortunately for him, a life long personnel guy was given the job and he’s not getting the final decision in the offenses personnel moves.

[RashanGary]

I understand where 12 is coming from.

I don’t like cold business and don’t like the American way. But the way it’s set up, they have no choice but to make decisions to win and no choice but to trust their process. Handing those decisions over to 12 would be asinine. So I side with management here in them making decisions to win for themselves.

[Bretsky]

Saw somebody on facebook note how AROD's wife to be shared via media a rant on one of the ESPN Blowhards (I think Stephen A Smith) hammering on the Packers management. If true, that's crappy

[call_me_ishmael]

Saw somebody on facebook note how AROD's wife to be shared via media a rant on one of the ESPN Blowhards (I think Stephen A Smith) hammering on the Packers management. If true, that's crappy

100% true. Not so sure that it's crappy but it isn't a good sign. I am keenly interested if Rodgers shows up. I don't know what I think. I go back and forth.

This is an entertaining read.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/did-the-packers-back-out-of-trading-aaron-rodgers-to-the-broncos/

[call_me_ishmael]

Maybe they hear his opinions and disagree? Outside of giving him final say when a disagreement arises, I don’t know if there’s a way to please that guy. It’s his way or the highway. Unfortunately for him, a life long personnel guy was given the job and he’s not getting the final decision in the offenses personnel moves.

Maybe so, but does anyone really think joe blow who no one even knows his name would be significantly better than Kumerow? If the star player likes him, why would you do that?

Giannis' brother doesn't belong on an NBA roster but the Bucks aren't fucking stupid, everyone and their mother knows why Thannis is on the roster and that is to keep more money in the family's pocket and to keep Giannis happy. No way would they EVER have released him before Giannis signed that big contract.

That is the sort of thing you do for stars. What have the Packers done for Rodgers? They paid him probably less money than he'd make from other teams, etc.

[texaspackerbacker]

I put it at 65% chance he comes back for TC and 35% chance it’s part way though TC. I agree he has to play.

I sort of agree, but I'd switch around the 35% and 65%.

I saw the Kenny Mayne interview, and he really didn't say anything controversial or significant at all. I don't really know what he wants because he hasn't said - duh. I'm pretty sure, though, it's not final say on personnel matters. The guy ain't dumb, and that would be unrealistic. Wanting but not expecting them to get rid of Murphy is realistic. It would tend to explain his silent protest.

Wouldn't that be something if the shareholders meeting came along, and somebody put it on the agenda to get rid of Murphy? What a meeting that would be hahahaha. Do Packer shares of ownership come with voting rights? anybody know for sure? I know there are thousands of owners, but does anybody know if there are any of them who own like a few thousand shares or a significant percentage? I'm pretty sure it's a closed corporation, so somebody, Rodgers for example, couldn't easily just buy a couple hundred thousand shares, right?

I still think they're all gonna come to an agreement, and he's gonna come in just before the regular season and be in Green Bay for at least a few more years.

[ThunderDan]

Wouldn't that be something if the shareholders meeting came along, and somebody put it on the agenda to get rid of Murphy? What a meeting that would be hahahaha. Do Packer shares of ownership come with voting rights? anybody know for sure? I know there are thousands of owners, but does anybody know if there are any of them who own like a few thousand shares or a significant percentage? I'm pretty sure it's a closed corporation, so somebody, Rodgers for example, couldn't easily just buy a couple hundred thousand shares, right?


The shares are worthless souvenirs for the fans. There are no voting rights with the shares. The shares can't be sold.

The Packers has a Board of Directors that "runs" the team. They voted for MM to be CEO/President. MM is held accountable only by the Board. MM runs the franchise the way he sees fit.

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The shares are worthless souvenirs for the fans. There are no voting rights with the shares. The shares can't be sold.

The Packers has a Board of Directors that "runs" the team. They voted for MM to be CEO/President. MM is held accountable only by the Board. MM runs the franchise the way he sees fit.

i also believe, and i could be wrong here, that a person can only buy 1 share

so you couldn't have anyone like tex mentioned that can buy up a bunch of share

oh, and shares are non transferable anyways

but shareholders could turn up at the meeting and start yelling and screaming, which would make the board have to give the idea some thought about removing those two. or the shareholders could cheer murphy and boo the mention of rodgers making the board feel like they should keep on keeping on

[King Friday]

Who is going to show up to a shareholders meeting to make an ass of themselves when Rodgers' gripes are not even public knowledge. We can kind of guesstimate what is eating at him, but until he specifically identifies his mindset, I'm not pointing fingers at anyone...and it wouldn't be smart to go nuclear at a shareholders meeting.

[RashanGary]

Aaron is a complicated fellow. They said enough. I think it’s somewhat obvious 12 wants the final call on offensive players, including the FO not being able to draft a QB high. I think it’s somewhat obvious that’s never going to happen. After this year it’s over for 12 in Green Bay. The management structure doesn’t include Rodgers at the helm. So he’s gonna do this forever.

[RashanGary]

I’ll add, 12 should come back and take a shot at one more SB on a good team. The band may be breaking up after regardless.

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vegas sports books have removed the packers again from everything

florio thinks its because they think rodgers is gonna retire, or at least that theres a large enough chance of it happening

[Joemailman]

vegas sports books have removed the packers again from everything

florio thinks its because they think rodgers is gonna retire, or at least that theres a large enough chance of it happening

Kinda surprised they didn't so that after draft night actually.

[Joemailman]

Fantasy drafts will be interesting if Rodgers doesn't report.

[RashanGary]

We’re 12% of the way to matching the Brett the Living Legend thread

[RashanGary]

We’ll need two more offseasons of this and then a messy divorce and then two or three years of him playing on another team to catch that thread.

[Joemailman]

We’ll need two more offseasons of this and then a messy divorce and then two or three years of him playing on another team to catch that thread.

And a dick pic.

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Kinda surprised they didn't so that after draft night actually.

they did, but after awhile they opened the pack back up for bets, and now theyre off again

[Vincenzo]

Can’t predict the future but signs are pointing towards Rodgers retiring before next Wednesday.
One fact right now is Sports books making betting lines have made adjustments pointing towards a retirement decision.

“Two other sportsbooks contacted after that initial message said the expectation is Rodgers is going to announce his retirement sometime before the first practice on Wednesday. In response, one of those sportsbooks pushed out its prices on the Packers to win the NFC North and shortened the odds for the other teams. It also shortened the odds of Patrick Mahomes winning NFL MVP.

Consider this:

“When Las Vegas sportsbooks make notable odds (or removal) adjustments, and especially when they straight-up tell people what they’re thinking, it’s always worth listening. They’re frequently getting very good information; it’s important that they indeed get reliable information and do serious digging so that they aren’t taken advantage of by bettors. As a source told Florio, “Vegas oddsmakers tend to be pretty sharp.”

[Anti-Polar Bear]

12 and 17 shared a pic of 23 (Air) and 33 (Pip) on MySpace and/or Xanga. Meaning? 2021 is the “Last Dance.”

12’s coming back. I have once again put my minimum-wage paycheck on the Packers to win the SB at -667.

[King Friday]

Vegas odds makers do not know what will happen anymore than you or I do at this point. They take something off the board when the potential for a large swing is in play, which could be extremely detrimental to their bottom line. The swing between Rodgers retiring and coming back is an enormous swing in terms of betting lines. Since Vegas doesn't know which will happen, they take it off the board to remove risk.

[Vincenzo]

“ Or perhaps by referencing The Last Dance they were suggesting that they’ve already had their last dance together, and Rodgers is preparing to announce his retirement. That’s what some sports books are bracing for.”

[King Friday]

“ Or perhaps by referencing The Last Dance they were suggesting that they’ve already had their last dance together, and Rodgers is preparing to announce his retirement. That’s what some sports books are bracing for.”

The sports books only relate to odds. They don't brace for anything. They take something off the board when it becomes clear it is a vast unknown, not because they expect something. When they expect something, they put odds on it.

[Vincenzo]

The sports books only relate to odds. They don't brace for anything. They take something off the board when it becomes clear it is a vast unknown, not because they expect something. When they expect something, they put odds on it.

I hear what you’re saying, but consider this:

“ Where there's smoke there's usually fire. There's a ton of smoke that says Aaron Rodgers is going to retire before the Packers first practice on Wednesday.

That smoke is coming from multiple sports books. According to Bill Huber at Sports Illustrated, Las Vegas sports books are preparing for Aaron Rodgers to retire.”

[Freak Out]

Who is going to show up to a shareholders meeting to make an ass of themselves when Rodgers' gripes are not even public knowledge. We can kind of guesstimate what is eating at him, but until he specifically identifies his mindset, I'm not pointing fingers at anyone...and it wouldn't be smart to go nuclear at a shareholders meeting.

Where the hell have you been? LOL. Seen any of the PTA meeting videos lately? People round here do stupid shit constantly.

[Bretsky]

Maybe so, but does anyone really think joe blow who no one even knows his name would be significantly better than Kumerow? If the star player likes him, why would you do that?

Giannis' brother doesn't belong on an NBA roster but the Bucks aren't fucking stupid, everyone and their mother knows why Thannis is on the roster and that is to keep more money in the family's pocket and to keep Giannis happy. No way would they EVER have released him before Giannis signed that big contract.

That is the sort of thing you do for stars. What have the Packers done for Rodgers? They paid him probably less money than he'd make from other teams, etc.



GREAT EXAMPLE ; I follow the Bucks very closely and I'd argue the Bucks did a few things to ensure Giannis was happy and stayed. Some teams have done the same for Lebron as well.

So was it arrogance of Gutebag/Marcia to not take the fact that the knew AROD is a challenging snarky lil prick into account, or perhaps inflated egos ?

I don't know, and I would not even scream it was wrong of them to ignore AROD's views. But in today's sports world there are risks.

I would pound the table saying this. If AROD retires it is EPIC FAILURE by Gutebag.

If it's at the point of no return, trade his ass and get something for your asset unless your cap is just too fried

[red]

GREAT EXAMPLE RED;

ummm, what?

[Bretsky]

ummm, what?

OOPS; I should have known better than to give you credit for such well thought out points....HAHAHA

[HarveyWallbangers]

They should have taken my suggestion and traded Rodgers before the draft.

[George Cumby]

They should have taken my suggestion and traded Rodgers before the draft.

Yes

[texaspackerbacker]

Sheeeesh. Oh ye of little faith this beautiful Sunday morning hahahaha.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

They should have taken my suggestion and traded Rodgers before the draft.

There’s a rumor floating around the internet about the German Shepherd promising to trade 12 to the Broncos prior to the draft only to back out at the last second.

[Vincenzo]

They should have taken my suggestion and traded Rodgers before the draft.
Can’t argue with that because it truly looks like he sadly STILL wants off the team. I guess we should have got what we could have at the best time.

[Vincenzo]

Or perhaps Aaron Rodgers is a piece of shit. Consider this written by Paul Noonan of Acme Packing Company;

“ we know he craves attention and derives pleasure from annoying people because of what he doesn’t say. Rodgers could put all of this ambiguity about his future to rest with a few sentences. They don’t even have to be definitive sentences. “Yes, I’m playing with the Packers this year, and then we’ll take a look at my contract, and discuss the future.” That would be a totally fine thing to say. “I want to be traded, I’m not happy, and I’m not showing up.” Also, a fine thing to say, though obviously more controversial. Rodgers isn’t subject to some kind of “football player confidentiality.” He can put this to bed whenever he wants.”

[Freak Out]

Who is his agent? What do they have to say?

[George Cumby]

Or perhaps Aaron Rodgers is a piece of shit. Consider this written by Paul Noonan of Acme Packing Company;

“ we know he craves attention and derives pleasure from annoying people because of what he doesn’t say. Rodgers could put all of this ambiguity about his future to rest with a few sentences. They don’t even have to be definitive sentences. “Yes, I’m playing with the Packers this year, and then we’ll take a look at my contract, and discuss the future.” That would be a totally fine thing to say. “I want to be traded, I’m not happy, and I’m not showing up.” Also, a fine thing to say, though obviously more controversial. Rodgers isn’t subject to some kind of “football player confidentiality.” He can put this to bed whenever he wants.”

This. One sentence, either way, settles all of this nonsense.

"I will play for the Packers in 2021."

or:

"I will not play for the Packers in 2021."

How fucking hard is it?

[Tony Oday]

I'm done with AR and DA, fuck them both.

[Zool]

Getting close to done with the NFL. The drama, the lack of accountability for being shitty people if they are good players (I’m looking at you Rapistburger). Rodgers has gone full Favre. Not sure I have the stomach to listen to all this bullshit again.

Also fuck him for taking some of the spotlight off the Bucks.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I'm done with AR and DA, fuck them both.

Good. Go root for the Queens or the NHL.

[King Friday]

Or perhaps Aaron Rodgers is a piece of shit. Consider this written by Paul Noonan of Acme Packing Company;

“ we know he craves attention and derives pleasure from annoying people because of what he doesn’t say. Rodgers could put all of this ambiguity about his future to rest with a few sentences. They don’t even have to be definitive sentences. “Yes, I’m playing with the Packers this year, and then we’ll take a look at my contract, and discuss the future.” That would be a totally fine thing to say. “I want to be traded, I’m not happy, and I’m not showing up.” Also, a fine thing to say, though obviously more controversial. Rodgers isn’t subject to some kind of “football player confidentiality.” He can put this to bed whenever he wants.”

I completely agree. If Rodgers doesn't show up day one, the Packers leadership should basically call him out on this. If he is going to be a leader on this team, communication is important. To this point, he hasn't acted like a leader. He can throw shade all he wants at the Packers FO, but his tacit alignment with Michael Jordan conveniently ignores that Rodgers ain't a winner like that. Try matching Favre's appearances in a super bowl first, pal.

[red]

well, we could get an announcement any time now

shareholders meeting in a few hours

[Joemailman]

well, we could get an announcement any time now

shareholders meeting in a few hours

Any 'rats there?

[George Cumby]

Getting close to done with the NFL. The drama, the lack of accountability for being shitty people if they are good players (I’m looking at you Rapistburger). Rodgers has gone full Favre. Not sure I have the stomach to listen to all this bullshit again.

Also fuck him for taking some of the spotlight off the Bucks.

I'm at the point where I think Rodgers is worse than Favre.

Favre is just an ignorant country fool just responding to shit.

There is a calculated malice behind Rodgers' actions.

But fuck these guys.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Getting close to done with the NFL. The drama, the lack of accountability for being shitty people if they are good players (I’m looking at you Rapistburger). Rodgers has gone full Favre. Not sure I have the stomach to listen to all this bullshit again.

Also fuck him for taking some of the spotlight off the Bucks.

I'm with you. I hadn't watched an NBA game in a few years, but I had to watch the Bucks win a championship in my lifetime. I've only watched a few NHL games the last few years. I think the last full MLB game I watched was Hader blowing game 5 against the Nats. Maybe it's my age, but there are more important things in life.

[Joemailman]

FWIW



Matt Schneidman
@mattschneidman
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Brian Gutekunst: “We have been working tirelessly with Aaron and his representatives to resolve the issues he raised this offseason and we remain hopeful for a positive resolution.”

[red]

People are starting to say that Rodgers is now telling people close to him that he's gonna play for the Packers this year

[red]

Murphy also said at the shareholders meeting that the team is committed to him for 2021 and beyond. Which is the first time I've heard them say anything beyond next season

[Vincenzo]

Reigning MVP Aaron Rodgers has indicated to people close to him he plans to play for the Green Bay Packers this season, sources told NFL Network's Ian Rapoport.

[smuggler]

IOW he's annoyed with the front office but not annoyed enough to retire, which is basically what we already knew.

[Freak Out]

Karma is a bitch. Lets hope the last dance isn't a career ending concussion or something similar.

[Vincenzo]

Karma is a bitch. Lets hope the last dance isn't a career ending concussion or something similar.
Exactly! When we watch him next year we might want to keep in mind that we could be watching his last play as a Packer each time he snaps the ball.

In the end, this whole “AR wants out” was Much Ado about nuttin.

[Tony Oday]

So we will have a new QB and a new #1 WR next year.

[King Friday]

Not sure it is about nothing. Rodgers is still royally pissed at the FO, and likely will demand a trade in the future if he is not appeased.

Rodgers simply knows that he had no real option for forcing the Packers hand without risking the loss of this entire season, and he's got too big an ego and too many endorsement deals to miss a full year. He does want out...but he doesn't have a good way to get there yet.

[Joemailman]

Rodgers may be getting the contract he wanted all along. There was a report a couple of days ago that Rodgers wanted 90 million guaranteed over the next 2 years. If he's getting that, the only way to make that work with the Packers current salary cap situation is for him to be in Green Bay at least trough 2023.

[King Friday]

Rodgers may be getting the contract he wanted all along. There was a report a couple of days ago that Rodgers wanted 90 million guaranteed over the next 2 years. If he's getting that, the only way to make that work with the Packers current salary cap situation is for him to be in Green Bay at least trough 2023.

I don't think the Packers have any interest in that. He currently has 3 years left on his current contract. Why would you pay him more to stay the same amount of time?

[Joemailman]

I don't think the Packers have any interest in that. He currently has 3 years left on his current contract. Why would you pay him more to stay the same amount of time?

Because maybe he won't stay without the guaranteed money.

[HarveyWallbangers]

They won't (and shouldn't) give him anything that guarantees three more years. If he reverts back to his 2018-2019 level of play, becomes injury prone, or Love shows something special, they need the flexibility to get out of ARod's contract within the next two years.

[Vincenzo]

Not sure it is about nothing. Rodgers is still royally pissed at the FO, and likely will demand a trade in the future if he is not appeased.

Rodgers simply knows that he had no real option for forcing the Packers hand without risking the loss of this entire season, and he's got too big an ego and too many endorsement deals to miss a full year. He does want out...but he doesn't have a good way to get there yet.
My 80 year old father said, “he’s dirtied his bib,” which means he believes this is his last season for sure.
I meant much ado about nuttin in the sense that he’s gonna play after all. The media put a massive spin on things with 95% of it being BS.
One thing however we cannot doubt is he’d rather play for a different team and doesn’t like the Packer management.

[Jaire]

Rodgers just liked this interview. Watch the31:00 to the 39:00minutes. AR wanted to finish out in GB. I doubt this ever changed. A lot of this is just ckick bait and media hype. Anyways, we've been lucky to have him. He'll be back for one more and hopefully gets a ring.

https://youtu.be/qPGQEUjLJpE

[texaspackerbacker]

Rodgers may be getting the contract he wanted all along. There was a report a couple of days ago that Rodgers wanted 90 million guaranteed over the next 2 years. If he's getting that, the only way to make that work with the Packers current salary cap situation is for him to be in Green Bay at least trough 2023.

Is that report credible? If it goes down that way, I'm all for it. It will take agreement of Gutekunst et al, though. I'm not sure they're that committed to keeping him even though IMO, they damn well should be.

$90 million guaranteed could look something like this: $75 million bonus, $15 million the fist year ($30m cap hit), $15m each years 2-5 (with $30m cap hit each year). Dead money would be $45m, $30m, or $15m if he was gone with 3, 2, or 1 left out of the 5 years. I'd be jumping for joy if this happened. As I said, though, I don't have complete confidence in the Packer leadership to do it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

he's got too big an ego and too many endorsement deals to miss a full year.

I'd say he only has one life and doesn't want to throw away a full year of his excellent adventure.

[Joemailman]

Bears fans on reports that Aaron Rodgers will be back with the Packers.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/tOwCobNerbLJ6/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e475ekjuezco1ypfzf1z62kcgi6s1s2 y20o1trelgcc&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[Joemailman]

Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers reportedly have made significant progress toward settling their differences, but the reigning MVP is likely entering his final season with the team.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that Rodgers and the Packers are close to an agreement that would bring Rodgers back to the team for one more season. The deal, which Schefter describes as “close,” does not include more money. However, the Packers are tweaking Rodgers’ contract in a way that would assure he can leave Green Bay next year.

Rodgers has three more years remaining on his current deal, but the Packers agreed to void the final year in 2023. They also agreed to not place the franchise tag on Rodgers.

Sounds to me like they will allow Rodgers to work out a trade with another team after the 2021 season.

[Jaire]

Aaron Nagler said he got a call from Rodgers that he is back. He's doing a live chat now. I think I heard that right.


SHUT THIS THREAD DOWN!!!!!!!!


(Edit.......I misheard him: bad feed)


SHUT


IT



DOWN

[ThunderDan]

Sounds to me like they will allow Rodgers to work out a trade with another team after the 2021 season.

That's what it sounds like to me also. We better get a lot in trade for ARod. If the front office some how fucks this up and all we get is a high comp pick when he walks I will be pissed.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Sounds to me like they will allow Rodgers to work out a trade with another team after the 2021 season.


ESPN reported that the 2023 season would be voided from Rodgers’s current contract and the Packers would agree to review Rodgers’s situation following the 2021 season. The Packers also would agree not to use the franchise player tag on him to limit his ability to depart the franchise, according to the ESPN report.

The Packers got screwed. They gave away everything just to have Rodgers for one season.

I think you have to say Rodgers played this very smart. I am disgusted with this outcome, or at least the initial reports.

[Jaire]

The Packers got screwed. They gave away everything just to have Rodgers for one season.

I think you have to say Rodgers played this very smart. I am disgusted with this outcome, or at least the initial reports.


This is exactly went the FO wanted:

One more year to see if Love can take over. They have AR through 2022 with the ability to trade him in spring of 2022.

I think AR just wants to play & likes GB (team) & has another shot.

But we'll see the details soon. AR had no cards really and he doesn't want to sit out.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This is exactly went the FO wanted:

One more year to see if Love can take over. They have AR through 2022 with the ability to trade him in spring of 2022.

I think AR just wants to play & likes GB (team) & has another shot.

But we'll see the details soon. AR had no cards really and he doesn't want to sit out.
I disagree with everything you say here.
The FO would have loved to keep the terms of AR's original contract, it was ideal to lock him in thru 2023. They don't have him for a 2nd season even, I expect AR will leave.

The odds of Love being better than Rodgers during this period are .5%. They aren't even sure if he is any good at all at this point.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I agree with mailman's take. AR is gone, the Packers just bought a year to develop Love and work a trade.

It's a damage control move. It could work out OK, but it is a shit sandwich from where I'm sitting.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I disagree with everything you say here.

I think Jaire is closer to the truth than you are. This is what the FO wanted. A real year to evaluate Love. If Love looks like the real deal, they trade ARod for a lot of draft capital. If not and Rodgers continues to play at MVP level, they continue to make accommodations to Rodgers to keep him around for 2022.

[King Friday]

I tend to agree with Huck here. There is little chance the Packers planned to move on from Rodgers after only 2 years. They were expecting at least 3 and probably the full length of his original contract.

The team has a very strong roster, and it would be a real gut punch to have to start a guy who is basically a rookie this season and take yourself out of title contention. Bottom line, the front office screwed this up. Rodgers will be a top 5 QB in the league for at least another 3-4 years IMO but now the Packers will lose out on some of that. When Favre left with some meat on the bone, it was with the knowledge that Rodgers was ready and likely to be a good QB. We don't have that knowledge now with Love, and aren't likely to have it with just one preseason of evaluation.

[red]

anyone else seeing that the team is gonna restructure rodgers to bring down his cap number this year, and then would have the money to re-sign adams at 50 million over two years

i just saw a think pop up while looking up cap numbers

suppose to be from schefler

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I don't think the Packers have any interest in that. He currently has 3 years left on his current contract. Why would you pay him more to stay the same amount of time?

12’s current contract calls for a $40M cap hit next year. Unless the Networks are willing to bail out the pig owners sooner rather than later, the Packers will have to cook 12’s contract one way or another in ‘22.

12 won the MVP award. He has outplayed the contract. If I won MVP for flipping burgers, no fucking way would I continue flipping burgers for $7.25/hr.

Pay the man his 90 million frogskins, Shirley. Anything less is exploitation.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I believe the Packers might void the 3rd year. That would require them to make a decision after 2021. Either trade AR for a big haul or commit to him for longer. In exchange, Rodgers lowered his cap number for this year. That's about all I believe. The stuff about Cobb and Adams seems like nonsense. Cobb at $8M/year? No thanks! Plus, I think it would cost the Texans more money to get rid of Cobb than keep him. So, Rodgers commits to one year and that is suddenly going to make Adams more conducive to an extension on the contract he has that has one year left?

[HarveyWallbangers]

I tend to agree with Huck here. There is little chance the Packers planned to move on from Rodgers after only 2 years.

It was always 2-3 years--depending on the development of Love and the play of Rodgers. When they drafted Love, Rodgers had two consecutive mediocre seasons. If there was no COVID and Rodgers hadn't returned to MVP level, it was fairly plausible that they would have moved on. 3 years would allow them to evaluate Love as a starter for one year before having to extend his contract.

[HarveyWallbangers]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/07/26/packers-look-like-big-winners-in-new-agreement-with-aaron-rodgers/

[Harlan Huckleby]

they continue to make accommodations to Rodgers to keep him around for 2022.

oh joy

[Joemailman]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/07/26/packers-look-like-big-winners-in-new-agreement-with-aaron-rodgers/

This quote really sums it up quite well:


Really, all options for the Packers are still on the table. The NFL MVP is back for one more run with a mostly intact roster from last year, and there’s no solid commitment to Rodgers past 2021, allowing the team a chance to transition to Love – and get significant assets back from trading Rodgers – if the timing is right. And if everything really goes right, and everything suddenly clicks between the team and quarterback in 2021, the possibility opens up for Rodgers to sign a new deal and eventually retire having only played for the Green Bay Packers.

[red]

I believe the Packers might void the 3rd year. That would require them to make a decision after 2021. Either trade AR for a big haul or commit to him for longer. In exchange, Rodgers lowered his cap number for this year. That's about all I believe. The stuff about Cobb and Adams seems like nonsense. Cobb at $8M/year? No thanks! Plus, I think it would cost the Texans more money to get rid of Cobb than keep him. So, Rodgers commits to one year and that is suddenly going to make Adams more conducive to an extension on the contract he has that has one year left?

it would cost the texans more in cap space to get rid of him then to just keep him

i think people are making this connection because the texans just traded for a WR, and, well, they're the texans. a lot of there moves don't make much sense

to me, cobb wasn't adding moch towards the end of his career as a packer, and he hasn't done much since then. good locker room guy, no longer adds much on the field

[Harlan Huckleby]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/07/26/packers-look-like-big-winners-in-new-agreement-with-aaron-rodgers/

This guy lists the price paid by Green Bay as accomplishments, or at least trivial concessions. He then says the overall situation is better than having to trade Rodgers in 2021. Well, no kidding.

I agree that it may all turn out OK. Not great - and more concessions needed to get another year out of Rodgers.

AR won this battle going away, and it was a bit of a zero sum game. The team is weaker than if they stuck to their guns on the three more years, with whatever concessions it took to do it.

[Bretsky]

I think at this point I'd rather have Rodgers form Clemson that Cobb

Pass completely on this.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This quote really sums it up quite well:


allowing the team a chance to transition to Love

That is not important, IMO. The odds of swapping Love for Rodgers in 22-23 being desirable are remote.

[Joemailman]

That is not important, IMO. The odds of swapping Love for Rodgers in 22-23 being desirable are remote.

But it's not just swapping Love for Rodgers. You have a chance to pick up a couple very high draft picks, and more importantly, save 30-40 million on the salary cap for a couple years. That can be used to keep their best players or sign free agents. If Love can play. Packers could come out of this looking very good.

[Joemailman]

I believe the Packers might void the 3rd year. That would require them to make a decision after 2021. Either trade AR for a big haul or commit to him for longer. In exchange, Rodgers lowered his cap number for this year. That's about all I believe. The stuff about Cobb and Adams seems like nonsense. Cobb at $8M/year? No thanks! Plus, I think it would cost the Texans more money to get rid of Cobb than keep him. So, Rodgers commits to one year and that is suddenly going to make Adams more conducive to an extension on the contract he has that has one year left?

The way I read it, Texans would save 8.5 million on the cap by trading him. https://overthecap.com/player/randall-cobb/1130/ They would gain nothing by cutting him because his 2021 base salary is guaranteed. So they might be interested in trading him. I just don't know why the Packers would want to take on that salary, unless it's part of the deal that is keeping Rodgers in Green Bay in 2021. Maybe Rodgers lowered his cap number for 2021 so they could afford Cobb? Just speculating here.

[RashanGary]

Rodgers got a really clean exit after 2022. All power in his hands as soon as that day comes.

The Packers got Rodgers for 2 more years and a clean transition to Love there-after.



The Packers clearly value Jordan Love. Im feeling more optimistic about Love. If they value him so high to let Rodgers go after 2022, maybe he's the next big thing.

[texaspackerbacker]

If Love can play..... probably he can to some extent. If you believe the info coming from the team, he looks good. Probably he could start from scratch and be an average to slightly above average as NFL starters go. Is that what we want starting for us at the most important position on the team? Not me.

If Love is as good as they say, though, I'd rather not lose him either.

In the other thread, Joe (I think it was you) posted that Rodgers wants $90 guaranteed over 2 years, which, as you said would necessitate spreading it out over more years. I posted an example of how this could be done - with a $30 million cap hit for each of five years. That would take us one year past the end of Jordan Love's rookie contract. The outcome I'm strongly hoping for is exactly that - keep Love for five more glorious Aaron Rodgers years, and by then, with a lot of luck, Love will be ready for a smooth transition to excellence, not merely "average to slightly above now or in a year" i.e. mediocrity.

Correction: I guess it is the previous page in this thread.

[RashanGary]

If this deal is real, the next choice the Packers have to make

Give Jordan Love a third year of development behind one of the GOATs (something that can help Loves development)

Or

Take the pick or picks and throw love in the fire with an extra piece or two around him

[RashanGary]

I guess, if you go back to 2020 and trade up in.the first round for a QB, you better feel pretty good about him to create this situation. It looks like theyre doubling down on Jordan Love.

[Harlan Huckleby]

But it's not just swapping Love for Rodgers. You have a chance to pick up a couple very high draft picks, and more importantly, save 30-40 million on the salary cap for a couple years. That can be used to keep their best players or sign free agents. If Love can play. Packers could come out of this looking very good.

Ya, this is how the PAckers are looking at it. They picked Love, so they are committed to him being a smart direction to go. And
what GM doesn't want draft picks to mold a team his own way?

The team has chosen a smooth glide path out of the Rodgers era. I much prefer to ride Rodgers for a few years.

This move looks remarkably like New England's oh-so-clever transition off of Tom Brady. Except worse, Rodgers is younger.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I guess, if you go back to 2020 and trade up in.the first round for a QB, you better feel pretty good about him to create this situation. It looks like theyre doubling down on Jordan Love.

yep.

Jordan Love is going to have incredible sex tonight. He's on top of the world now. The man.

[Harlan Huckleby]

If this deal is real, the next choice the Packers have to make

Give Jordan Love a third year of development behind one of the GOATs (something that can help Loves development)

Or

Take the pick or picks and throw love in the fire with an extra piece or two around him

Door number 2.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The Packers got Rodgers for 2 more years and a clean transition to Love there-after.

One year. Rodgers will never hang around for a second year, his clock is ticking.

The Packers have essentially given up all their bargaining leverage now and then said "we negotiate again in a year." All signs point to the Packers making their peace with the new era. But I suppose it's still possible that Aaron appreciates this kid glove treatment and just decides to finish his career in GB. Maybe Murphy is the wise zen master.

http://quotespictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/if-you-love-someone-set-them-free-if-they-come-back-theyre-yours-if-they-dont-they-never-were-loneliness-quote.jpg

[Joemailman]

Ya, this is how the PAckers are looking at it. They picked Love, so they are committed to him being a smart direction to go. And
what GM doesn't want draft picks to mold a team his own way?

The team has chosen a smooth glide path out of the Rodgers era. I much prefer to ride Rodgers for a few years.

This move looks remarkably like New England's oh-so-clever transition off of Tom Brady. Except worse, Rodgers is younger.

Except the Packers actually have a succession plan. The Patriots plan, if you can call it that, was to replace Brady with a banged-up Cam Newton.

[RashanGary]

Except the Packers actually have a succession plan. The Patriots plan, if you can call it that, was to replace Brady with a banged-up Cam Newton.

Montana to young went well
Favre to Rodgers went well
Manning to Luck went well
Rivers to Herbert is going well

And we haven't seen the entirety of the Patriots decision. We saw one bad luck year. The Patriots were one of maybe 3 teams that actually had spending money last year. They loaded up.

HOF QB's have been successfully replaced over the years.

[RashanGary]

I'm disappointed that in 72 pages no Packer rats predicted that they'd compromise by cutting a year. In hindsight, it makes sense.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Montana to young went well
Favre to Rodgers went well
Manning to Luck went well
Rivers to Herbert is going well

And we haven't seen the entirety of the Patriots decision. We saw one bad luck year. The Patriots were one of maybe 3 teams that actually had spending money last year. They loaded up.

HOF QB's have been successfully replaced over the years.

I’m pretty sure NE had around half their defensive starters opt out because of COVID too.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm disappointed that in 72 pages no Packer rats predicted that they'd compromise by cutting a year. In hindsight, it makes sense.

Cutting a year kills their leverage with AR next year and reduces his trade value too. Everybody knows the Packers have given up on AR and wish to unload him. I don't see why this is a brilliant move. It's a hell of a concession to keep Rodgers on the team for 2021.

Perhaps the team thought Rodgers might actually retire. That's the best explanation to me.

[RashanGary]

I’m pretty sure NE had around half their defensive starters opt out because of COVID too.

They have a bunch returning from covid, a bunch of free agents and Newton is in his second year in the offense. Let's let this play out before we call that move disastrous.

[RashanGary]

Cutting a year kills their leverage with AR next year and reduces his trade value too. Everybody knows the Packers have given up on AR and wish to unload him. I don't see why this is a brilliant move. It's a hell of a concession to keep Rodgers on the team for 2021.

Perhaps the team thought Rodgers might actually retire. That's the best explanation to me.

Is bending a little bit such a bad thing?

[Jaire]

Looks like the deal is worked out. He's back in GB.

https://twitter.com/jordon__smith92/status/1419865981791481856?s=20

[call_me_ishmael]

I’m pretty sure NE had around half their defensive starters opt out because of COVID too.

I would just push back and say what a stupid example. How many HOFers are there? Look at how many busts there are instead. Also, where were those players picked? Andy Luck #1, Steve Young #1, etc etc.

Brady is old as hell and it was probably time for him to move on but look at the ass talent they had two years ago. Was a shit team that got destroyed in playoffsz

[call_me_ishmael]

If this deal is real, the next choice the Packers have to make

Give Jordan Love a third year of development behind one of the GOATs (something that can help Loves development)

Or

Take the pick or picks and throw love in the fire with an extra piece or two around him

Nonsense. This is clearly being reported as they will be trading Rodgers next year.

[call_me_ishmael]

But it's not just swapping Love for Rodgers. You have a chance to pick up a couple very high draft picks, and more importantly, save 30-40 million on the salary cap for a couple years. That can be used to keep their best players or sign free agents. If Love can play. Packers could come out of this looking very good.

They might get a #2 for him. Might. Favre yielded two R3 and was younger amazingly.

[HarveyWallbangers]

They might get a #2 for him. Might. Favre yielded two R3 and was younger amazingly.

Provided Rodgers plays well, they'll get more than that. Probably significantly more. Three big differences: 1) teams aren't afraid to give up draft capital in trades like they were back in 2008, 2) more QBs (Favre was the first with his 2009 season, Manning, Brees and Brady into their 40s) have played well at an old age than in the past, 3) Rodgers played better this year (and probably next year) than Favre did in 2007. Favre was good, but not MVP caliber good. Plus, Favre had two atrocious years leading into 2007. Rodgers was above average the two previous years.

[Vincenzo]

One year. Rodgers will never hang around for a second year, his clock is ticking.

The Packers have essentially given up all their bargaining leverage now and then said "we negotiate again in a year." All signs point to the Packers making their peace with the new era. But I suppose it's still possible that Aaron appreciates this kid glove treatment and just decides to finish his career in GB. Maybe Murphy is the wise zen master.

http://quotespictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/if-you-love-someone-set-them-free-if-they-come-back-theyre-yours-if-they-dont-they-never-were-loneliness-quote.jpg
Maybe the amount of moola he's earned already is the core root of the problem, I mean the guy shows up last night at Austin Straubel airport in his private plane.
Not only does that much money demotivate him cuz he now has more than 100 lifetimes worth of it, but it has turned him into a DIVA that thinks he's bigger than generations of Packer team management.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Is bending a little bit such a bad thing?

Not a little bend, a complete cave.

QB is different than every other position. The Packers are their QB. Now the team is lead by a one-year-rental.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Maybe the amount of moola he's earned already is the core root of the problem, I mean the guy shows up last night at Austin Straubel airport in his private plane.
Not only does that much money demotivate him cuz he now has more than 100 lifetimes worth of it, but it has turned him into a DIVA that thinks he's bigger than generations of Packer team management.

Sounds pretty right.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Favre was the first with his 2009 season, Manning, Brees and Brady into their 40s

Before I get corrected. This looks like I'm saying Favre and Manning played well into their 40s. It was late 30s. I believe Favre had an MVP like season at 39 and Manning at 38, Brees at 40, and Brady at 43.

[Joemailman]

Provided Rodgers plays well, they'll get more than that. Probably significantly more. Three big differences: 1) teams aren't afraid to give up draft capital in trades like they were back in 2008, 2) more QBs (Favre was the first with his 2009 season, Manning, Brees and Brady into their 40s) have played well at an old age than in the past, 3) Rodgers played better this year (and probably next year) than Favre did in 2007. Favre was good, but not MVP caliber good. Plus, Favre had two atrocious years leading into 2007. Rodgers was above average the two previous years.

In addition to that, Favre had the retirement issue. No one was going to give up a lot to possibly have Favre for only a year. It's a very different situation with Rodgers. Now, there is the issue of which teams Rodgers would be willing to go to. If he wants to play out west, Oakland and Vegas might be the only teams there looking for a QB. Maybe Rams if Stafford doesn't work out. You need at least 2 teams bidding against each other for there to be much market value.

[ThunderDan]

In addition to that, Favre had the retirement issue. No one was going to give up a lot to possibly have Favre for only a year. It's a very different situation with Rodgers. Now, there is the issue of which teams Rodgers would be willing to go to. If he wants to play out west, Oakland and Vegas might be the only teams there looking for a QB. Maybe Rams if Stafford doesn't work out. You need at least 2 teams bidding against each other for there to be much market value.

Two words:

Matt Stafford

If anyone thinks ARod is worth less than Stafford, they are nuts.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Maybe the amount of moola he's earned already is the core root of the problem, I mean the guy shows up last night at Austin Straubel airport in his private plane.
Not only does that much money demotivate him cuz he now has more than 100 lifetimes worth of it, but it has turned him into a DIVA that thinks he's bigger than generations of Packer team management.

Nobody pays hard-earned frog skins to watch Gutekunst and Murphy sit in a skybox. I once made the mistake of paying $200 of my minimum-wage earnings to watch Brett Hundley play against the Baltimore Ravens, who slaughtered the Pack 42-0, or something in that manner.

12’s the face of the Packers, the race of the Packers. Fuck yeah, 12’s bigger than faceless management.

[Vincenzo]

Hope the douche is motivated!
Packers should have said if he wins the SB then he gets to say how the team is run.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Just spoke to my brother over Skype and it proved the old adage that the acorn doesn't fall very far from the other acorn. He thinks the packers panicked to save 2021 and gave away the farm (all their leverage in the future.) He is fine with the Pack moving from Rodgers, and makes the point that AR relies on athleticism much more than Brady so an extended deal is no good. The ideal time to trade Rodgers was last spring (I think that Harvey made that point.) The path Packers chose really minimizes their leverage in trade negotiations. Plus now we play 2021 with lame duck, rent-a-QB.

I think the Packer management negotiated like an abused spouse. "Please just stay one more year. you can have everything"

That all said, if Love really pans out it will end up peaches and cream.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Two words:

Matt Stafford

If anyone thinks ARod is worth less than Stafford, they are nuts.

You get 4 years out of Stafford before he hits Rodgers' age.

Make that 5 years more given Rodgers won't be avail for another year.

[texaspackerbacker]

Giving Rodgers "everything he wants"? What would that be? Security that he can finish his career with the Packers? That, if memory serves, is the only thing he's on record asking for.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Giving Rodgers "everything he wants"? What would that be? Security that he can finish his career with the Packers? That, if memory serves, is the only thing he's on record asking for.

I think they should have used their leverage to ride Rodgers into the sunset. Which for me would be 3 more seasons. Rodgers wanted to leave ASAP with minimal strings attached. He certainly suggested this was his goal in past year. PAckers surrendered their leverage and essentially gave him exactly what he wanted, since next spring is now the soonest practical trade opportunity.

[NewsBruin]

I think it was a good decision to get him into camp and make him as shiny an object as possible. Maybe we could have saved some dead money (reported that Rodgers got more salary turned into signing bonus), but getting 12 in the classroom and on the field with Funchess and Little Rodgers is important, as is keeping him and the front office out of extended passive-aggressive column-inch battles and sending collection notices to his mailbox. At this point, I don't know how great our gain would be if we kept playing hardball.

I don't know how many teams will bite on Trade Now vs. Wait For Free Agency, but as long as there's one desperate enough, we can get something for Rodgers. Plus, there's some joy to be had if we ship him to a historic bottom-feeder.

If Rodgers wants to self-sabotage, we'll know as early as possible, instead of seeing him parachute in on Week 6 and check out by Week 10. Regardless, we have to keep Love gassed-up and running.

[NewsBruin]

Posters bring up the revised happy memories of NFL transitions, but for comparisons sake, look at how my local Saints have botched Drew Brees' retirement. They've been in cap hell for years, and when their most-likely-will-retire QB actually retired, they put contracts on Interceptions Costco and the best passer for a skill-position player/best rusher for a QB.

[texaspackerbacker]

I think they should have used their leverage to ride Rodgers into the sunset. Which for me would be 3 more seasons. Rodgers wanted to leave ASAP with minimal strings attached. He certainly suggested this was his goal in past year. PAckers surrendered their leverage and essentially gave him exactly what he wanted, since next spring is now the soonest practical trade opportunity.

At least I agree with you on what they should have done. There seems to be a whole lot of jumping to conclusions being done in here. This "I read somewhere ....." shit, does anybody know for sure - confirmed by the team or Rodgers that this greases the wheels for him to be gone in a year? Or is it just the same old media crap?

Hopefully we'll know within a few days the details of the deal, not just what God damned Shefter and the other assholes speculate about it. And hopefully we find out that he will be around for a helluva lot more than just this year. If it does turn out to be just this year, I for one am NOT pleased about it.

[call_me_ishmael]

Provided Rodgers plays well, they'll get more than that. Probably significantly more. Three big differences: 1) teams aren't afraid to give up draft capital in trades like they were back in 2008, 2) more QBs (Favre was the first with his 2009 season, Manning, Brees and Brady into their 40s) have played well at an old age than in the past, 3) Rodgers played better this year (and probably next year) than Favre did in 2007. Favre was good, but not MVP caliber good. Plus, Favre had two atrocious years leading into 2007. Rodgers was above average the two previous years.

Favre was an all-pro in 2007. Second team but still - keep in mind Brady had a historic year that year with Moss and the Perfect Pats. Very, very good. I agree with the rest other than the nit of atrocious years vs above average years. You make great points with draft capital since teams seem to value picks less these days and then older QBs performing.

[call_me_ishmael]

Two words:

Matt Stafford

If anyone thinks ARod is worth less than Stafford, they are nuts.

I do think he's worth about the same based on age and current contract. I also think the reason the Lions got so much is they picked up an albatross of a contract - that alone is worth probably a #2 based on precedent where the Browns did it for the Texans QB.

[Spaulding]

This seems like to be the best of all worlds. Sure the Packers give up a year of control on Rodgers but given the Love pick last year, I don't think anybody expected the message to be that Rodgers would be with the team beyond 2021 season anyways given the structure of the deal.

Compromising with Rodgers provides the following positives:

- he's now motivated a final season to try and win it all with the team that gives him the best chance to do so
- it allows the Packers another season to monitor Love's progression and if there is an honest hope that he can be an above average NFL starter in the near future

The only real negative is that it cuts Rodgers loose after the 2022 season and possibly after this season if rumors are true that the front office promised to trade him after the season.

Thus the scenarios are this:

1) Rodgers plays at MVP level and Packers win the Super Bowl
2) Rodgers plays at MVP level and Packers still fail to make playoffs or get bounced in playoffs
3) Rodgers plays at MVP level but then gets injured and Love plays but flops
4) Rodgers plays at MVP level but then gets injured and Love plays and looks decent
5) Rodgers plays at MVP level but then gets injured and Love plays and looks great
6) Rodgers play regresses to 2018/2019 level of play
7) Rodgers plays at 2018/2019 level but then gets injured and Love plays and flops
8) Rodgers plays at 2018/2019 level but then gets injured and Love plays and decent
9) Rodgers plays at 2018/2019 level but then gets injured and Love plays and great

In scenarios 1/5/6/7 I think the Packers win as I don't see Rodgers leaving after a Super Bowl win and I don't see the Packers not extending Rodgers and caving to all his demands then too.

In scenario 2 I think the Packers lose as Rodgers is definitely gone and proving that last year wasn't a fluke and that he'll continue to play at a level few QB's have ever known. Then again the Packers kinda win as well as his trade value is still sky high.

In scenario 3 the Packers get burned if they can't find a way to permanently fix things with Rodgers. If he still forces his way out and Love sucks, then technically they've driven out generational QB for nothing.

Scenarios 4/7/8 are kind of a muddle unfortunately.

Needless to say, it's going to be an interesting 2021 season.

[call_me_ishmael]

I think it will be written in the contract that if Rodgers formally requests a trade by X date, the Packers must trade him or he is granted his release on X date.

I'm less clear on how they would let him choose his next destination. What if the place he wants to be doesn't offer the best trade package?

[texaspackerbacker]

They're saying "gentlemen's agreement" - just a hand shake. I don't know if I'm buying that either. Supposedly he is still Packer-owned for '22 with the understanding they will trade him. McAfee says Rodgers "did this for future generations of Packer players" so they won't get "disrespected" like Rodgers, Favre, Nelson, etc. Yeah right. Paying somebody that kind of money is disrespecting them? Give me some of that kind of disrespect. So assuming it's true as it seems to be shaping up, Rodgers gets traded after this season or becomes a complete free agent after 2022 - which I don't think they would let happen. That being the case, Murphy and Gutekunst fucked up the Packers future royally IMO. McAfee framed it like a couple getting a divorce but postponing it - one small shred of hope, they could still settle their differences and get back together. I'd like to buy into that idea, but optimist that I am, that's a bit hard to believe.

I'd say this is a dark day in Packer history - if what they're saying is true.

[NewsBruin]

I don't wish harm on the innocent, but I'd be so happy if a midseason Dak Prescott re-injury resulted in Rodgers getting involuntarily reunited with Mike McCarthy.

[hoosier]

LOL

[Jaire]

The pressers with Gute and Rodgers reveal the problems. It's very clear nothing has changed between AR and Gute. AR's presser is highly recommended.

A few things:

1) AR was upset how GB treated CMIII, Woodson, Jordy, Cobb, Hayward, Hyde etc. Never mentioned Kumerow but did mention the WR he thought was 2nd best in camp was let go last year. I wonder who that was. He makes very good points here. I am 90% on AR's side.
2) AR never had any input in past. At all. So Gute is not maybe lying but means something very different by "input."
3) AR has no choice about where to go next year. Never had an offer to guarantee him 2022, nor about where he goes. (All reports are b.s.. Schefter is a lying sob. Nothing true at all.)
4) never been about money
5) AR almost retired but decided to return in the last 2 weeks after talking with former and present team mates. This explains why nobody really knew what was going to happen. He reallt only just changed his mind.
6) IMO: if Gute really did change and take AR's suggestions, AR would definitely retire in GB. But now listening to Gute (this AM) that ain't happening. (Gute should go imo, while I acknowledge he does some things ok. Some probs go back to TT esp getting rid of Woodson. This is going to be an ongoing prob with Gute.)
7) He never leaked anything nor his camp. He doesn't know where leaks came from but esp on draft day (which I assume came from NFL to drive up ratings and controversy.)

I really really recommend listening. AR spills the beans after 4 years and is 90% right imo. He just wants to help. Every other premier QB has had more say than he has got: KEY STAT . Finally, Gute clearly says (between the lines) that the only reason Cobb is coming back is for AR and what's "best for GB." HE distances himself from that decision. They are not on the same page as AR and very likelt never will be imo (and AR's). Cobb's money is doubtless less than the extra money they had offered AR. So it was easy for Gute to concede on Cobb.

tl;dr The FO got absolutely everything. AR nada except Cobb. He just wants to play still, decided not to retire, and wants to win: still loves the team and GB. Cobb was a concession but GB was willing to pay AR much more than Cobb will ever cost. Why they are getting it done imo.

Interesting to note he said ge lived tge organization twice after he checked himself saying it the first time. He's handling it well (professionally) but has a justified big beef with the FO. He's decided to go public because nothing has changed nor will.