Official Day one Draft thread

[Joemailman]

Washington up. This could be JOK.

[Sparkey]

Jamin Davis to Redskins

[RashanGary]

I absolutely can’t stand Jamin Davis. Athlete but he looked so unsure and jittery. Maybe I watched a game vs RPO/play action offense where he couldn’t trigger. I dunno, I don’t like taking a pure athlete over football player at a position that requires instincts. I liked Zaven Collins a lot more than Davis.

[RashanGary]

One year starter at ILB. Ugh, that’s a risky pick.

[RashanGary]

Rich mans Oren Burks to the Redskins.

[Joemailman]

Getting into the area where Gute might trade up.

[RashanGary]

Getting into the area where Gute might trade up.

JOK

[Bretsky]

There goes Collins.


Bretsky's in the House

BIG DAMMIT HERE


Bateman is my choice and I like Elijah Moore as well as Newsome for GB

[HarveyWallbangers]

I might wait to trade up until two of these three guys are off the board:

DT Christian Barmore
OT Christian Darrisaw
LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah

[RashanGary]

Or Darrisaw or other OL for Packers

[Sparkey]

Kadarius Toney to Giants

[RashanGary]

Bretsky's in the House

BIG DAMMIT HERE


Bateman is my choice and I like Elijah Moore as well as Newsome for GB

This might be your year to be happy

[Joemailman]

Colts up. Paye or Darrisaw possible here.

[RashanGary]

Draft going off script early this year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Bretsky's in the House

BIG DAMMIT HERE

Bateman is my choice and I like Elijah Moore as well as Newsome for GB

I like Bateman. Moore is meh for me. Comps are Randall Cobb or Tyler Lockett types. I want to hit a home run in the 1st round.

[Bretsky]

This might be your year to be happy



Can't remember when it happened last....haha

[HarveyWallbangers]

Colts up. Paye or Darrisaw possible here.

Colt absolutely should go Darrisaw. Maybe Jenkins. They need an OL, so this fell perfectly for them.

[wist43]

Bretsky's in the House

BIG DAMMIT HERE


Bateman is my choice and I like Elijah Moore as well as Newsome for GB

Gute is going to take defense just to say "F-U" to Rodgers.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Gute is going to take defense just to say "F-U" to Rodgers.

If it's JOK, Barmore, Farley, Newomse, I'm all in. Some good defensive players dropping.

[Bretsky]

I missed what went down with AROD. Is my take correct.

AROD is kind of a prick and wanted an extenstion and security; Gute didn't show him love early AROD got pissed and broke up. GB tried to kiss and make up. AROD is at home pouting

GB "reportedly" told AROD they would trade him and change their mind (I think that was per Ian Raperport)


IS THAT ABOUT THE SUMMATION ?

[Joemailman]

Gute is going to take defense just to say "F-U" to Rodgers.

Or take a WR to appease him?

[RashanGary]

Gute is going to take defense just to say "F-U" to Rodgers.

:lol:

I hope so!

[HarveyWallbangers]

I missed what went down with AROD. Is my take correct.

AROD is kind of a prick and wanted an extenstion and security; Gute didn't show him love early AROD got pissed and broke up. GB tried to kiss and make up. AROD is at home pouting

GB "reportedly" told AROD they would trade him and change their mind (I think that was per Ian Raperport)

IS THAT ABOUT THE SUMMATION ?

Doubt they told him they'd trade him, but otherwise sounds right.

[RashanGary]

I missed what went down with AROD. Is my take correct.

AROD is kind of a prick and wanted an extenstion and security; Gute didn't show him love early AROD got pissed and broke up. GB tried to kiss and make up. AROD is at home pouting

GB "reportedly" told AROD they would trade him and change their mind (I think that was per Ian Raperport)


IS THAT ABOUT THE SUMMATION ?

Something like that. I’m burned out on drama since Favre. I don’t even care anymore.

[Sparkey]

Kwity Paye to Colts

[Joemailman]

I missed what went down with AROD. Is my take correct.

AROD is kind of a prick and wanted an extenstion and security; Gute didn't show him love early AROD got pissed and broke up. GB tried to kiss and make up. AROD is at home pouting

GB "reportedly" told AROD they would trade him and change their mind (I think that was per Ian Raperport)


IS THAT ABOUT THE SUMMATION ?

Pretty much. Arod never forgets a perceived slight.

[HarveyWallbangers]

BTW, I hate the 30 seconds delay on this site.

Should be Darrisaw or Bateman for the Colts.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Kwity Paye to Colts

Interesting. Don't like it.

[wist43]

If it's JOK, Barmore, Farley, Newomse, I'm all in. Some good defensive players dropping.

No, those are all too flashy for the Pack...

The #1 goal is always to draft a "good football player"... in 4 years. The #2 goal is to show up Aaron Rodgers while you're at it ;)

[Rastak]

Hope Darrisaw is there for the Vikings.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Quite a few guys going over guys I like better. That seems good, but that means the Packers are going to take somebody I don't like.

Honestly, the draft is going about as well as the Packers could hope.

[HarveyWallbangers]

No, those are all too flashy for the Pack...

The #1 goal is always to draft a "good football player"... in 4 years. The #2 goal is to show up Aaron Rodgers while you're at it ;)

Yawn! Jaire Alexander, Darnell Savage, Rashan Gary. Damn that Gute!

[wist43]

Hope Darrisaw is there for the Vikings.

Not sure what you guys need most??

[Joemailman]

Tennessee up. Could use a CB. Farley could go here unless his health is scaring people off.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Hope Darrisaw is there for the Vikings.

He'd be a great pick for them. Minnesota is the type of team that would take a chance on Farley. I would hate that too.

[wist43]

Yawn! Jaire Alexander, Darnell Savage, Rashan Gary. Damn that Gute!

We've well established that you're a drunken slut, how would you know??

:lol:

[wist43]

I think Farley's medical is scaring teams... heard today that Marshall might be a medical risk too. First I'd heard that.

[Rastak]

He'd be a great pick for them. Minnesota is the type of team that would take a chance on Farley. I would hate that too.


Farley sounds good but they really need an OT.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Farley sounds good but they really need an OT.

They need an OT every year. :) It's like CB for us.

[Sparkey]

Caleb Farley to Titans

[Rastak]

They need an OT every year. :) It's like CB for us.


Yes sir, you are correct. :-)

[HarveyWallbangers]

Farley is the best CB in this draft. He might have been a top 5 pick. However, I read that he has a 20% chance (serious back issues) of being out of the league in a couple of years. Very risky, but probably worth it here.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think Farley's medical is scaring teams... heard today that Marshall might be a medical risk too. First I'd heard that.

Yep, read that too. That's why I dropped him off my wish list a few posts ago.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Vikings should go Darrisaw.

[Sparkey]

Darrisaw to the Vikings

[Rastak]

Yea, works for me!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Good pick, but Minnesota has messed up OT since the Bryant McKinnie and Korey Stringer days. :)

[Joemailman]

Steelers up. Heard they like Najee Harris. But I could totally see JOK here.

[Rastak]

Good pick, but Minnesota has messed up OT since the Bryant McKinnie and Korey Stringer days. :)


True enough. they have had some success but nobody anchoring it.

[Sparkey]

Harris to Steelers

[wist43]

Steelers up. Heard they like Najee Harris. But I could totally see JOK here.

Harris would be a terrible pick here...

[HarveyWallbangers]

Steelers up. Heard they like Najee Harris. But I could totally see JOK here.

Pittsburgh is probably smart enough not to take a non-super elite RB this high. He is a Le'Veon Bell clone though. Maybe we trade up here to take JOK or Barmore.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Harris to Steelers

Really? Makes some sense (a lot like Le'Veon Bell) and make no sense at the same time (too high for a good, but not great, RB prospect).

[HarveyWallbangers]

This draft is going well. Just need guys like Oweh, Ojulari, and the two RBs to go here. Then, we'll have our pick at some really good players.

[Bretsky]

there goes a RB

Let the draft come to you Gutebag

[Joemailman]

Jags up. Need a S and OT. Moehrig or Jenkins would make sense here.

[Bretsky]

JOK
Barmore
Newsome
Bateman

Let them fall into your lap

[wist43]

What pick would piss Rodgers off the most??

That'll be the pick :)

[Joemailman]

JOK
Barmore
Newsome
Bateman

Let them fall into your lap

Surprised JOK is still there.

[Bretsky]

A couple hour ago at my son's BB practice I was chatting with a huge Steeler fan who came from working at Alabama. He was texting Harris about two hours ago

He's incredibly happy

[Bretsky]

Surprised JOK is still there.

I'm not

[HarveyWallbangers]

Jags up. Need a S and OT. Moehrig or Jenkins would make sense here.

I think Holland and Radunz might be better fits for the Packers, so I wouldn't be too unhappy.

[ThunderDan]

JOK
Barmore
Newsome
Bateman

Let them fall into your lap

JOK
Newsome
Jenkins
Barmore

[Sparkey]

Etienne to the Jags

[HarveyWallbangers]

A couple hour ago at my son's BB practice I was chatting with a huge Steeler fan who came from working at Alabama. He was texting Harris about two hours ago

He's incredibly happy

So is one of my best friends--who is a Steelers fan. Don't hate or love the pick for them. I get arguments both ways.

[Bretsky]

Jags up. Need a S and OT. Moehrig or Jenkins would make sense here.


Moehrig would be the perfect pick from GB's end

[Joemailman]

Etienne to the Jags

That helps tne Packers.

[red]

I missed what went down with AROD. Is my take correct.

AROD is kind of a prick and wanted an extenstion and security; Gute didn't show him love early AROD got pissed and broke up. GB tried to kiss and make up. AROD is at home pouting

GB "reportedly" told AROD they would trade him and change their mind (I think that was per Ian Raperport)


IS THAT ABOUT THE SUMMATION ?

sounds like it all has to do with last years draft

packers have been trying to give him an extension all offseason, but he doesn't want it cause he wants out

but things keep changing

[HarveyWallbangers]

Etienne to the Jags

This is good for us. How about Javonte Williams next? Non-elite RBs in the round 1 is not smart. They got James Robinson as an UDFA, and he was really good. Don't really understand this pick. Is it because he played at Clemson with Lawrence?

My prediction: Javonte Williams will be better than Etienne.

[Bretsky]

JOK
Newsome
Jenkins
Barmore


I really think there are going to be quality OL in rounds 3-5. But I do like Jenkins nastiness

[ThunderDan]

Etienne to the Jags

Excellent, an RB we don’t need picked. One of the 4 I want will be available.

[Rastak]

I gotta work tomorrow, better crash. Have a great night guys. Good luck with your pick.

[Bretsky]

The Ravens have drafted guys I want for the past ten years...lol

[Joemailman]

Browns might take Barmore.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Who would have thought. Prepared to be disappointed.


DT Christian Barmore
OT Christian Darrisaw
LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
WR Rashod Bateman
CB Caleb Farley
CB Greg Newsome
WR Kadarius Toney
OT Teven Jenkins
OT Dillon Radunz
S Jevon Holland
WR Dyami Brown

[Sparkey]

Newsome to Browns

[Bretsky]

HEY BROWNIES............HOW ABOUT A SAFETY ??????????????

[RashanGary]

I really think there are going to be quality OL in rounds 3-5. But I do like Jenkins nastiness

OL dropping in this draft cuz everyone feels like you can get one later maybe. That would be good for us. We need an OT.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I gotta work tomorrow, better crash. Have a great night guys. Good luck with your pick.

Good night, Ras!

[Bretsky]

Newsome to Browns



CRAP....HOW DID YOU GET THIS ? Please don't post the Packers pick til after it's annouced. I want to be disappointed live :)))

[HarveyWallbangers]

Newsome to Browns

Damn it! Now, I think we got a go elsewhere in round 1. Then, we can look at Stokes, Joseph, Samuel, Adebo, maybe Campbell, maybe Robinson in round 2.

[Sparkey]

CRAP....HOW DID YOU GET THIS ? Please don't post the Packers pick til after it's annouced. I want to be disappointed live :)))

Ha ha

[Rastak]

Good night, Ras!


You too Harv. Finish my beer and hit the sack.

[red]

I gotta work tomorrow, better crash. Have a great night guys. Good luck with your pick.

later ras

[wist43]

There's plenty of guys there that I like that I thought would be gone...

Gute won't pick any of them, lol...

[Sparkey]

CRAP....HOW DID YOU GET THIS ? Please don't post the Packers pick til after it's annouced. I want to be disappointed live :)))

Ha ha

[Bretsky]

OL dropping in this draft cuz everyone feels like you can get one later maybe. That would be good for us. We need an OT.


I think several of the guys I put in my draft day contest can be good OT and OG's

IF Green Bay drafts a OL in round one that kills my strategy :))

[red]

baltimore loves ILBs

[wist43]

I gotta work tomorrow, better crash. Have a great night guys. Good luck with your pick.

Ciao ras...

[HarveyWallbangers]

Damn you, Browns!


DT Christian Barmore
OT Christian Darrisaw
LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
WR Rashod Bateman
CB Caleb Farley
CB Greg Newsome
WR Kadarius Toney
OT Teven Jenkins
OT Dillon Radunz
S Jevon Holland
WR Dyami Brown

[Bretsky]

I do NOT really want Stokes at 29 with these other guys still on board

[Bretsky]

Damn you, Browns!

I think Toney is gone as well

[ThunderDan]

Damn you, Browns!

Toney is gone.

[RashanGary]

I could see Teven Jenkins, a pure RT makes sense

[HarveyWallbangers]

Gute's going to take Radunz, and I'm going to be the only that is okay with it. :)

[run pMc]

plenty of good options, even if they trade down a few spots.

[RashanGary]

The part of the draft we don’t know is the character of the guys. Guys you can count on, counts for something. Gotta get good, hard working, driven guys.

[run pMc]

The Ravens have drafted guys I want for the past ten years...lol

Agree.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Fixed. I'd be happy with these guys... Brown probably less so than the others. Trade down and take him and I'd be okay.


DT Christian Barmore
OT Christian Darrisaw
LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
WR Rashod Bateman
CB Caleb Farley
CB Greg Newsome
WR Kadarius Toney
OT Teven Jenkins
OT Dillon Radunz
S Jevon Holland
WR Dyami Brown

[Bretsky]

Gute's going to take Radunz, and I'm going to be the only that is okay with it. :)


That would be a Gutebag pick; draft the guy you can get 10 picks later :)))

[Bretsky]

ESPN predicting Bateman to Baltimore

[red]

some dude on one of the shows, i think NFLN, mentioned the packers really liked the notre dame guy, said it was a widely known thing.

he said it a while back i think

[Sparkey]

Bateman to Ravens

[Bretsky]

ESPN is about 5 minutes ahead of the NFL Network

I say once again....F'CK YOU BALTIMORE

[smuggler]

I hate when Baltimore gets to pick before us.

[red]

well there goes one guy that might have been able to fix the divide with rodgers

[Joemailman]

I think Saints will take Moore.

[wist43]

I really liked Bateman :(

[HarveyWallbangers]

That would be a Gutebag pick; draft the guy you can get 10 picks later :)))

Every year, you say this. Every year, I call you dumb. Nobody really knows where these guys are on team's boards. There have already been 3-5 players taken 10 spots before they were "projected". Big deal. Jordy Nelson, Nick Collins, Greg Jennings were all taken before they were projected. They were good picks and nobody knows if they would have been available 10 picks later.

[Bretsky]

if JOK is truly a playmaker you take him. I'm not a huge buyer on him as much as other's but I'd be on board. Or Barmore

Or trade down

[HarveyWallbangers]

Almost there


DT Christian Barmore
OT Christian Darrisaw
LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
WR Rashod Bateman
CB Caleb Farley
CB Greg Newsome
WR Kadarius Toney
OT Teven Jenkins
OT Dillon Radunz
S Jevon Holland
WR Dyami Brown

[red]

wait???????????????

is dexter coming back????? or is it just streaming old shows?

[ThunderDan]

I think you trade down 3 or 4 spots.

Enough players with a similar grade to try and get a little extra from the pick.

[Sparkey]

Payton Turner to NO?

[Bretsky]

Every year, you say this. Every year, I call you dumb. Nobody really knows where these guys are on team's boards. There have already been 3-5 players taken 10 spots before they were "projected". Big deal. Jordy Nelson, Nick Collins, Greg Jennings were all taken before they were projected. They were good picks and nobody knows if they would have been available 10 picks later.


:) Typically I ignore you when you call me dumb :) Truth be told to go back to one of your peeves the source who leeked Indy as having interest in JL is no better than the leek who said they have no interest. i thought GJ was projected about R2. Can't remember on Nick Collins or Jordy.

[wist43]

Payton Turner is a good player... will probably need a couple of years, but a ton of upside.

[pittstang5]

Who?

[Bretsky]

Serious question: Is JOK a bad person ? Character issues at all ? I have read Barmore can dominate and can take plays off. Not sure if there are character issues there. This is stuff we never know. Were either of them team captains ???

[red]

time to trade out of the first round now that we've all stayed up this late watching this bullshit

[Bretsky]

I think you trade down 3 or 4 spots.

Enough players with a similar grade to try and get a little extra from the pick.



I'd agree but of course you have to have somebody who wants to trade up and give up a 4th or so as well

[HarveyWallbangers]

I thought he was a great fit as a 3-4 OLB, so the fit seems strange. He is a guy I liked more than most. After I read through the EDGE scouting reports, there were a few guys that I was intrigued by and watched film on. He was one of the guys, and I liked him. Good athlete who is built like the Smith brothers.

[wist43]

I'll bet its moehrig... least helpful pick. Has Gute written all over it.

[Bretsky]

Here comes Adam Scheftner on ESPN chatting AROD

[Bossman641]

Trade back please

[Sparkey]

Y'all gonna shit yourselves.

[Bretsky]

Schefty says a trade could still be in play after this weekend.

IF Denver really offered all that shit, I'd take it and roll with Love next year.

[King Friday]

I'm all for JOK.. he's got the speed we need. Tampa's defense is how to counter dominant QBs

[Bretsky]

COME ON ESPN............ANNOUNCE IT

[HarveyWallbangers]

:) Typically I ignore you when you call me dumb :) Truth be told to go back to one of your peeves the source who leeked Indy as having interest in JL is no better than the leek who said they have no interest. i thought GJ was projected about R2. Can't remember on Nick Collins or Jordy.

There's a reason teams trade up. They have intel that another team likes the player they like. Saying a guy rated #37 on draft boards shouldn't be taken #29 is dumb. Scheme fits matter. Needs matter. Javonte Williams might be rated higher than Dillon Radunz here. We aren't going to take him. We don't need an RB. Jalen Mayfield might be. We aren't going to take him. He's not a scheme fit.

[red]

Y'all gonna shit yourselves.

great

[Bretsky]

I'm all for JOK.. he's got the speed we need. Tampa's defense is how to counter dominant QBs

On board

[Sparkey]

CB the pick

[Bretsky]

Well he won't be on anybody's charts but this might be an ok pick.

We'll all talk outselves into it :)))

[Sparkey]

Eric Stokes - Georgia

[King Friday]

Bummer.

[Freak Out]

Harv or Joe what's the call on this guy?

[Bretsky]

I do NOT really want Stokes at 29 with these other guys still on board



NICE POST DUMBASS

saw this coming

[HarveyWallbangers]

Not all that surprising. I had Stokes as the #5 CB (ahead of Campbell) and he went as the #5 CB. He's certainly one of the CBs that fits our scheme. Hopefully, we don't need to see much more of Kevin King.

[Bretsky]

Harv or Joe what's the call on this guy?


He's a great athlete; nice RAS scores. May be a need pick. But he'll help

[wist43]

Guy ran well, but nobody had him in the 1st round.

Yikes

[red]

ah there he is

couldn't find him on espn, he was on the second page of players still available

[King Friday]

A fast but not physical CB...meh.

[King Friday]

Gute probably won't pick one offensive player just to stick it to Rodgers.

[Freak Out]

He's a great athlete; nice RAS scores. May be a need pick. But he'll help

Thanks B

[Sparkey]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/04/23/eric-stokes-potential-nfl-draft-steal-hiding-plain-sight

The Georgia cornerback who ran a 4.25 40-yard dash and ably covered the likes of Jerry Jeudy, Justin Jefferson and Devonta Smith during college could soon be a star.....

[BL]

Alabama DT should have been the pick

[red]

so this has always been one of my favorite draft sites

they have him rated very high. they have him as the 4th best CB

https://www.draftace.com/2021-cornerbacks/


Two-year starter as an outside corner and played a lot as a freshman also. Gained an elite reputation and teams avoided him in 2020. Best attribute is his ability to locate and play the ball. Decent amount of experience in man, and more experience in press coverage than most college corners. Plays very physical and can probably be an asset in coverage versus bigger receivers. Biggest question: is he quick enough to also hang with smaller, shifty receivers? Probably won't be a CB who can shadow each team's best WR, but can be great if he's paired with other CBs who can handle the matchups he struggles in.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Harv or Joe what's the call on this guy?

I probably would have went Barmore or JOK. However, he was my #5 CB. The top 4 are off the board. 6'1" and super athletic. He ran 4.31 at his Pro Day with a 6.9 3 cone, 38 1/2" vertical, and 128" broad jump. He's very scheme versatile. He can play zone, man, and press. He has solid ball skills, solid tackler, good instincts. He and the other Georgia CB can get grabby at times though.

[run pMc]

Stokes? Meh. I mean, he's a corner which they needed, but I guess the trade down offers must not have been there. I think they could have gotten him at #35.

At least it wasn't a QB, RB or TE.

U/O on the # of Rodgers questions at the Gute draft presser?

[smuggler]

Such a Packers pick. Hopefully it works out as good or better than the Savage pick.

[texaspackerbacker]

Well, at least we got a Corner. I would have taken Samuel, but this guy might be all right - good speed, tall, physical. I'm relatively happy with the pick.

[jmbarnes101]

With all of the 1st and 2nd round picks we’ve thrown at CB’s we should have the best secondary in the league. Instead we’re constantly searching for another decent CB. I think we’re going to keep on searching after this. Admit the scouting process sucks and fire everyone that doesn’t grade mid-round offensive linemen.

[Bretsky]

Thanks B


He's solid. Like taking a OT there with our needs he should definitely help. I think most projected him in the 30-40 range from what I saw. Great athlete. If he develops he could be a dam good CB opposite our stud.

Shame Bateman came off the board.

I think there must be character concerns with JOK. Surprised we didn't go with the DL but what I read indicated his motor was on and off at time as well so maybe that's why he's falling

[King Friday]

I do like the speed... We need to continue to upgrade there. He doesn't have to be a #1 corner for us, so I'm hoping this works out. As long as he doesn't get burned deep with seconds left in the half of the NFCC game, I'll manage.

[call_me_ishmael]

Time for the Packers to trade with the Ravens here and get a 5th year contract.

[Sparkey]

The more I read about him, the more I'm liking the pick. Seems like an ascending player.

[Bretsky]

Such a Packers pick. Hopefully it works out as good or better than the Savage pick.

Am I in the minority ? I think Savage is going to be really good still

[HarveyWallbangers]

I liked him more than Samuel and Campbell.

From my prospect rankings thread:


My CB Rankings

1 Patrick Surtain, Alabama (1)
2 Jaycee Horn, South Carolina (1)
3 Caleb Farley, Virginia Tech (1)
4 Greg Newsome, Northwestern (1-2)
5 Eric Stokes, Georgia (2)
6 Tyson Campbell, Georgia (2)
7 Asante Samuel, Florida State (2)
8 Kelvin Joseph, Kentucky (2)
9 Paulson Adebo, Stanford (2-3)
10 Ifeatu Melifonwu, Syracuse (2-3)
11 Aaron Robinson, Central Florida (3)
12 Benjamin St-Juste, Minnesota (3)
13 Marco Wilson, Florida (3-4)
14 Ambry Thomas, Michigan (3-4)
15 Tre Brown, Oklahoma (3-4)
16 Thomas Graham, Oregon (3-4)
17 Trill Williams, Syracuse (4)
18 Kary Vincent, LSU (4)
19 Robert Rochell, Central Arkansas (4-5)
20 Shaun Wade, Ohio State (4-5)
21 Camryn Bynum, California (4-5)
22 Tay Gowan, UCF (5)
23 Rodarius Williams, Oklahoma State (5)
24 Keith Taylor, Washington (5)
25 Israel Mukuamu, South Carolina (5-6)
26 D.J. Daniel, Georgia (6)

Others looked at (UDFA):
Shakur Brown, Michigan State

[Joemailman]

A little surprised but not disappointed with Stokes. Great speed. Knock against him is he's sometimes too grabby. Will need to coach him out of that.


Tony Pauline’s Eric Stokes Scouting Report
Positives: Underrated cornerback with the size and play speed to start in the NFL. Physical, battles opponents throughout the route, and tracks the ball in the air. Possesses excellent length, effectively diagnoses the action, and has a closing burst. Possesses good hands for the interception. Easily runs downfield with opponents. Gives effort defending the run and wraps up tackling.

Negatives: Doesn’t flip his hips off the line and loses a half-step transitioning with opponents. Gets a little grabby in coverage.

Analysis: Stokes possesses terrific measurables and has shown developing ball skills. He’s effective facing the action while also displaying the ability to make plays with his back to the ball. Stokes comes with a large upside and offers potential in nickel packages early in his NFL career, and he could eventually develop into a first-team player.

[red]

this could give us a scary CB tandem

maybe king can be a decent #3 cb

[red]

that site i gave, draft ace, had stokes as the 18th best player in the draft

[ThunderDan]

A little surprised but not disappointed with Stokes. Great speed. Knock against him is he's sometimes too grabby. Will need to coach him out of that.

They can get the boxing gloves they used with Grabby Smurf.

[Bretsky]

I would not have taken Stokes, but I think he's have been on my top 5-7 there so I'm more content that I normally am after day 1 :))))

But I really really hope they go with a ILB round 2 and add a guy who can make plays there

My guess i the WR's I really like are gone by round two and unlike the whispers I really don't think this years WR core was nearly as talented as last years

[Bretsky]

We're probably not picking Marco Wilson in round 4 now.....lol.....I'm probably one down in the contest

[HarveyWallbangers]

If you think about it though, it makes sense. Campbell and Melifonwu is too stiff. They didn't hit the Packers minimum testing requirements. Samuel is short. He doesn't meet the Packers minimum height requirements. Joseph fits what the Packers want, but he has character concerns. When you look at it that way, you have Stokes and the next guy on the Packers board is probably Paulson Adebo. There's a pretty good difference there. I like Aaron Robinson, but he's more of a slot CB.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers doubled up at CB, if Kelvin Joseph (round 3) or Marco Wilson (round 4) later.

[RashanGary]

Gutebag was at all of the corner pro days

[HarveyWallbangers]

I would not have taken Stokes, but I think he's have been on my top 5-7 there so I'm more content that I normally am after day 1 :))))

But I really really hope they go with a ILB round 2 and add a guy who can make plays there

My guess i the WR's I really like are gone by round two and unlike the whispers I really don't think this years WR core was nearly as talented as last years

I really want one of my Bison guys in round 2, Radunz and Jabril Cox. I think they both fit what the Packers want at their positions.

[HarveyWallbangers]

With all of the 1st and 2nd round picks we’ve thrown at CB’s we should have the best secondary in the league. Instead we’re constantly searching for another decent CB. I think we’re going to keep on searching after this. Admit the scouting process sucks and fire everyone that doesn’t grade mid-round offensive linemen.

We actually have a good secondary. Kevin King just shit the bed in the NFC Championship game. Jaire is All-Pro and Savage and Amos are above average starters in the NFL.

[Bretsky]

I really want one of my Bison guys in round 2, Radunz and Jabril Cox. I think they both fit what the Packers want at their positions.


HA

TRUTH BE TOLD I'd be really excited about either of these picks there. I'd even bless using a 4th to trade up and get one of them :)))

Would you agree Radunz is most likely gone by pick 60 and Cox has a decent chance of being there ?

[wist43]

I probably would have went Barmore or JOK. However, he was my #5 CB. The top 4 are off the board. 6'1" and super athletic. He ran 4.31 at his Pro Day with a 6.9 3 cone, 38 1/2" vertical, and 128" broad jump. He's very scheme versatile. He can play zone, man, and press. He has solid ball skills, solid tackler, good instincts. He and the other Georgia CB can get grabby at times though.

I agree... but you knew they weren't going to even look at JOK.

I wanted Bateman, but when he went I was hoping Barmore. Big guys like that are such a projection though.

Heard Barmore had some weird interviews at the combine, some teams took him off their board b/c of that.

[run pMc]

If you think about it though, it makes sense. Campbell and Melifonwu is too stiff. They didn't hit the Packers minimum testing requirements. Samuel is short. He doesn't meet the Packers minimum height requirements. Joseph fits what the Packers want, but he has character concerns. When you look at it that way, you have Stokes and the next guy on the Packers board is probably Paulson Adebo. There's a pretty good difference there. I like Aaron Robinson, but he's more of a slot CB.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers doubled up at CB, if Kelvin Joseph (round 3) or Marco Wilson (round 4) later.

You're right -- it does make sense. King will start to begin the season, but Stokes should replace him by the end of it. It seems like maybe Stokes' speed is more legit than King's, so he should be better able to blanket the Scottie Millers of the league on 9 routes.

Agree on doubling up at CB -- I was thinking Ambry Thomas in R4 maybe? He can return kicks.
I don't think they'll take a WR until Day 3, and then they'll double dip by picking two. (Unless Nico Collins is still there in R3.)

[HarveyWallbangers]

I was thinking Ambry Thomas in R4 maybe? He can return kicks.
I don't think they'll take a WR until Day 3, and then they'll double dip by picking two. (Unless Nico Collins is still there in R3.)

I'm not a big Nico Collins fan in most schemes. However, I think he fits what the Packers like--and there's a chance we'll pick up. He's big, he's a good blocker. Downside is that he has a hard time getting open. However, MLF schemes guys like him open (see Lazard).

[wist43]

I think the knock on Stokes, more than being "grabby" is his feet and instincts.

He can get turned too easily, and then doesn't recover b/c of poor footwork... that's hard to coach over.

If it's bump and run all day, he's fine; but, CB has evolved into a much more complex position.

We'll see...

I'm sure Rodgers is thrilled, lol...

[Joemailman]

Gute's kind of guy.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwsjsXRWEAYAWa5.png

[Guiness]

They can get the boxing gloves they used with Grabby Smurf.

gawd I was waiting for someone to bring that up

[HarveyWallbangers]

Another scouting report

https://nfldraft.theringer.com/


SCOUTING REPORT
Stokes has a tall, sinewy frame with long arms and rare, twitched up athleticism. At his pro day, he clocked in at 4.25 seconds in the 40 while notching a 38.5-inch vertical. A former three-star recruit, he won First-Team All-SEC honors in 2020 after tallying four interceptions (two for touchdowns) and four pass breakups. In three seasons at Georgia, he appeared in 36 games, making 26 starts, and showed consistently excellent ball skills, racking up 22 total passes defensed. Stokes lined up on both sides and got a few looks in the slot, showing coverage skills in both press man looks and in off-zone coverage. He has good length, and knows how to use the sideline as leverage. He’s patient, trusts his speed, and can flip his hips and stay in phase down the field. He’s physical at the catch point, looking to swat the ball or rake an opponent’s arms.

Stokes has a good feel for off-coverage, reacting to the quarterback’s eyes to anticipate throws. He is quick to plant-and-drive to the ball. And he screams off the edge as a blitzer. However, he’s too easily blocked out of the play against the run, and is a pile watcher who is too content to let his teammates do the hitting. He’s physical downfield and may need to adjust his techniques to avoid flags at the next level.

WHY HE COULD RISE
Stokes combines elite speed with length, physicality at the catch point, and the versatility to play multiple coverage looks.

WHY HE COULD FALL
He’s a bit too physical downfield and lacks oomph as a tackler in the run game.

[HarveyWallbangers]

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft/hot-take-tuesday-georgia-cb-eric-stokes


So who is the top corner in this year’s class?

The prospect that has the talent to be an elite shutdown cornerback at the next level is Eric Stokes. He is the top cornerback for the upcoming 2021 NFL draft.

It starts with Stokes’ measurables. He is going to check all the boxes when it comes to his size. According to Eric Stokes, he's 6014 and 194 pounds. He claims his wingspan is also 79 inches. All of which are perfect for the position. That length shows up on film, as Stokes had 22 pass breakups in his career. His speed is unbelievable for his size, as Stokes, who ran a 10.39 100 meters in high school, projects to run in the 4.3-range at his pro day.

To put that into perspective, the only player to run sub-4.4 at the combine who was 6010 or taller was CJ Henderson last year. Henderson went ninth overall and the only reason he wasn’t the first cornerback off the board was Jeff Okudah, who truly had one of the most dominant collegiate seasons in recent memory.

At this point last season, Henderson was thought of by the media as a fringe first-round pick. Once people got to his tape and he tested the way he did, Henderson skyrocketed up boards.

At Georgia, Stokes put up three years of really good tape, in which he improved every season. With a position like cornerback, it is essential to see growth. There are instances where young cornerbacks come in and have success that they can never duplicate.

Can they handle giving up plays? Were they lucky? Did an aspect of their game get exposed over time? These are all valid questions about how difficult the position has become.

Stokes was solid as a freshman and sophomore but he took his game to another level this past season. His biggest knock was his lack of ball production. This season, he had four interceptions in only nine games in the SEC and took two of the picks to the house.

He was targeted on 28 passes, four of which were intercepted and four were broken up. When looking at the analytics, he only gave up 0.51 yards per snap, better than both Pat Surtain II and Jaycee Horn.

One of the most underrated aspects of Stokes’ game, though, is his ability to shut down receivers in the red zone. With the high-powered offenses around the league, the notion “bend, but don’t break” is critical. Stokes is at his best inside the 20.

There are other talented cornerbacks in the class but they all have their flaws. Both Jaycee Horn and Pat Surtain II lack top-end speed and athleticism. In a league where both are so crucial, their absence of them is concerning.

Lengthy Virginia Tech cornerback Caleb Farley is very athletic but he did not play this year due to opt-out and his sophomore year film wasn’t strong enough to warrant some of the praise he’s getting. However, Stokes checks every box that a defensive coordinator will be looking for in a cornerback.

Size, speed, character, good tape and upside, making him the top cornerback in the upcoming 2021 NFL draft.

[RashanGary]

I like that he can play both press man and zone. And the speed.

I don’t like that he’s soft in the run game and grabby.

We’ll see. It’s typical of Gute to make these high upside home run swings. Every first rounder is a swing for the fences. There’s zero “play it safe” to Gutes early picks. But it’s scary.

[texaspackerbacker]

The more I read about this guy the happier I am with the pick. Newsome might have been more polished, but Stokes seems a lot more athletic, and not a word about injury issues - unlike Newsome. His few faults seem like the kind of thing that good coaching can fix.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I like that he can play both press man and zone. And the speed.

I don’t like that he’s soft in the run game and grabby.

We’ll see. It’s typical of Gute to make these high upside home run swings. Every first rounder is a swing for the fences. There’s zero “play it safe” to Gutes early picks. But it’s scary.

To be fair, he's had great success drafting ultra-athletic DBs in round 1 (Savage and Jaire; King was a TT pick).

On a positive note: Bahk is rumored to be way ahead of schedule in his rehab, and it looks like there's a good chance he'll be ready very early in the season.

[RashanGary]

Looking at the write ups, I actually think he’s a good bet. He plays good man coverage and good zone coverage. That’s the biggest part of his job so being good at playing multiple coverages is a really good sign.

He has one wart that will probably be long term in the run game

He has one coachable wart in the grabby play style

His speed makes him a high upside, possibly Sam Shields, sort of player.


It’s high upside home run kind of swing late in round 1. You can never accuse Gute of playing it safe.

[red]

a lot of the things that draft writeups are saying about stokes were said about jaire

[RashanGary]

To be fair, he's had great success drafting ultra-athletic DBs in round 1 (Savage and Jaire; King was a TT pick).

On a positive note: Bahk is rumored to be way ahead of schedule in his rehab, and it looks like there's a good chance he'll be ready very early in the season.

1. Yeah, jaire and Savage definitely give me hope that Gute knows how to pick defensive backs

2. I was happy to hear that about Bakh too. And there are a ton of OTs in this years draft. Might last all the way through round 2 with starters.

[RashanGary]

a lot of the things that draft writeups are saying about stokes were said about jaire

The most positive thing I can read about a corner is that he plays good man AND zone coverage. That’s the primary job description so when you get a guy who’s a 4.2 speed guy who’s good at coverage, that’s just a really good sign that he can play in the NFL. I think he’s a good bet to be solid and a pretty exciting upside guy to get so late in the first round.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Good article. To be fair, this guy is not Ahmad Carroll. He was actually the less grabby of the two Georgia CBs (Tyson Campbell being the other) in the film I watched.

Sounds a bit like Jaire. Good kid. Plays with an edge on the field. Too bad Kevin King got beat on a nine ball in the NFC Championship Game.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/04/23/eric-stokes-potential-nfl-draft-steal-hiding-plain-sight

Eric Stokes Is a Potential NFL Draft Steal Hiding in Plain Sight

The Georgia cornerback who ran a 4.25 40-yard dash and ably covered the likes of Jerry Jeudy, Justin Jefferson and Devonta Smith during college could soon be a star.

On his first day of practice at Georgia, Eric Stokes was approached by a future first-round pick, fellow cornerback DeAndre Baker, and let in on a secret.

Whatever you do, just don’t get beat on no nine balls.

Baker meant that, if in practice he happened to be facing a wideout running a straight go or fly roue, Stokes had better be behind the receiver to prevent the kind of touchdown that tends to leave emotional scars and swing games. There were few things head coach Kirby Smart hated more. Of course, Baker had no idea he was talking to the fastest man in Georgia—literally. If any prospect was losing a footrace, it wasn’t going to be Stokes.

Stokes had the tendency to sneak up on people, like the time he was just a gangly freshman competing in Georgia’s high school track championships. In a photo that would later become famous because of another participant, future Browns running back Nick Chubb, Stokes was getting his footing, head down, calm as a warm breeze, while the muscle-bound Chubb leapt so high in the air during his warmups that, because of the angle of the photo, it looked like he had cleared all his competitors’ heads. Stokes, who looked like he had stumbled into the adult race by accident, finished just 0.002 seconds behind Chubb that year, matching the future Pro Bowler stride for stride.

Baker wasn’t the only one. Few people knew about Stokes on the early morning car rides to school from the housing authority in Covington, Ga., where Stokes would tell his assistant football coach and track coach, Frankey Iverson, that he needed to figure out some way—any way—to get grandma out of this place (he plans on using his first paycheck to buy her a house).

A coach from Ole Miss recommended switching the kid from running back, where he’d been living out his juke-happy boyhood Reggie Bush fantasy, to cornerback. He went to Georgia Tech to watch the Yellow Jackets play Florida State and glued himself to Derwin James and Jalen Ramsey, selling himself on the position and the plan to make it out of Georgia. Stokes won statewide sprint races his sophomore and junior years, and took the 100-meter crown at the Adidas Dream Mile despite being invited as a last-minute filler. He begged Iverson to move him from his dominant space, the 400 meters, back to the 100 meters for the end of his high school career and was told that he could only do so if he ran faster than anyone else at the school. In his next race, Stokes smoked the field while pointing up at the press box, letting Iverson know it was time to pay up on the bet. On the football field, he was twitchy and dynamic.

Iverson said that, while no team has bothered to call and ask, in all of their time spent together, hundreds of hand- and computer-timed 40-yard dashes and 100-meter sprints, he has never seen Eric slip below the timed equivalent of a 4.3 second 40-yard dash. At Georgia’s pro day this year, he ran a 4.25.

“We’ve had some fast kids, but, he’s … lightyears ahead,” Iverson said. “We always feel like speed is speed. If you’re fast on a track, you’re fast on a football field. The difference with Eric is that he’s so competitive. Eric has a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde personality. Off the football field, he’s the warmest and sweetest kid. When it’s competition time, I don’t even recognize him.”

When it comes to the 2021 class’s cornerback hierarchy, Stokes’s name is rarely mentioned, despite the fairly obvious pitch. As the NFL continues to find ways to put fast offensive weapons in space, why wouldn’t teams look a little closer at the draft’s fastest corner? Despite having spent just five years at the position, Stokes’s technique has refined to match his athletic skill, separating him from prospects who may look more like an Al Davis fever dream with immense bust potential. He picked off four passes in nine games in the shortened 2020 season. According to Sports Info Solutions, Stokes allowed an opposing quarterback completion rate of 38% in 2020. In the SEC. Against receivers like DeVonta Smith, Jaylen Waddle and Ja'Marr Chase, each of whom might come off the board before him. Teams throwing against him in 2020 experienced a negative expected points added rating of -16, higher than that of Alabama’s Patrick Surtain II. He was taking away more than half a point per target.

Over the last few weeks, according to a league source, his meeting schedule has ballooned. Stokes has had at least a third (but often a fourth or fifth) Zoom meeting with a dozen teams. There is a belief among teams that he will not drop any lower than the mid-30s.

“The film speaks for itself,” Stokes said. “Every year, historically, I’ve faced supposedly the best historical offense each year. In 2018, Alabama. Jerry Jeudy, Henry Ruggs, that was a nasty offense and I believe I did my thing. In 2019, [LSU]. Joe Burrow, Ja'Marr Chase, Justin Jefferson. I did my thing again.

“This year, I did decent against DeVonta Smith, Jaylen Waddle. I played my best against some of the best.”

According to Pro Football Focus' premium college stats, over three years when matched up against a horde of first-round picks from Alabama and LSU (Justin Jefferson, Ja'Marr Chase, Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Devonta Smith, Henry Ruggs and Jaylen Waddle) Stokes allowed a total of seven catches on 11 targets for two touchdowns. The longest completion against any of those players was 23 yards.

Those who know Stokes insist his game is different from other track converts, in that his speed is functional and not just cultivated for largely meaningless workout measurements. In high school, he was trained as a 400-meter runner with the theory that all runners decelerate at some point, so why not maximize the sprint volume? Why not be faster for longer? Why not break your new team’s GPS data? He’s also physical, grading out as one of the better press corners in this year’s draft. A spin through some of his college tape is surprisingly violent; a montage of interception returns showing him fighting off defenders, blowing up quarterbacks on corner blitzes and busting up middle-range passes hanging over the middle of the field.

Against Alabama in the 2018 national championship, with Alabama driving inside the 10-yard line, Stokes was lined up against Jeudy, later a first-round pick of the Broncos. After Stokes jammed him at the line, the Crimson Tide offense sent a tight end out into the flat to the same side, creating somewhat of a rub route meant to disadvantage the corner, slow him down and create separation for Jeudy. Stokes recovered in short space, unboxed his 6' frame and broke up the pass in the end zone, despite a perfect throw. He’d made a habit out of knifing through schemes designed to put him off pace.

Stokes also added: He never did get beat on the nine ball in a game, either. At Georgia he gave up just three total touchdowns in three years.

“I’m gonna give you everything I got. Games? I’m sorry. This is where they watch you. It’s the real deal. I’m not gonna get beat on a nine ball in a game,” he said.

[RashanGary]

Gute said he ran a 4.29, so that would make sense that they timed him a touch slower than the pro day media numbers. 4.29 is so friggin fast tho. I love the idea of having two corners who can play man or zone. That opens things up for Berry to mix coverages. Hopefully this kid picks it up quick.

[RashanGary]

Gute talked about Stokes. They had him rated high, didn’t know if he’d make it to them, but glad he did. They got a guy they had high on their board. No excuses for this pick. They wanted this guy. They didn’t get an unlucky draft.

Said they liked his tape against Alabama and LSU. Liked how he developed into a really good player over the years. More than an athlete but they love the upside. Said sky was the limit.

Gute likes his mentality and drive and personality as a whole.


I’m happy with the pick and all of the traits this guy has.

[Fritz]

Gute said he ran a 4.29, so that would make sense that they timed him a touch slower than the pro day media numbers. 4.29 is so friggin fast tho. I love the idea of having two corners who can play man or zone. That opens things up for Berry to mix coverages. Hopefully this kid picks it up quick.

Yeah, he's got about four games til Kevin King gets hurt.

[bobblehead]

My only worry is his subpar shuttle and 3 cone times. In the NFL an inline 40 isn't as important as the agility runs. However some of that could be training related. If he didn't practice them he likely would be subpar.

On the plus, and its really what matters, facing Jeudy, Chase, Smith and all that SEC talent and coming out pretty clean is more important than me than any track competition.

Gutes proved his chops with Jaire (I think he was behind the King pick also, but I like king more than most). He has an eye for dominant coverage as far as I can tell. I wanted JOK, but I will hope this guy is another Jaire because I remember Harris/Woodson. Hell, maybe we waste some capital and trade up for JOK still.

[wist43]

Gute said he ran a 4.29, so that would make sense that they timed him a touch slower than the pro day media numbers. 4.29 is so friggin fast tho. I love the idea of having two corners who can play man or zone. That opens things up for Berry to mix coverages. Hopefully this kid picks it up quick.

Does anyone have any idea what Berry is likely to do??

They ran Pettine out of town, despite the fact that our defense had become at least respectable for the first time in 20 years.

And lest anyone forget, Berry wasn't even their first choice for the job - why would he be?? Afterall, he's failed miserably everywhere he's been.

I don't think there's any doubt - our defense is not going to be improved.

[call_me_ishmael]

I am guessing there is going to be a ton of trading up. Does anyone think the Packers have room for 7-9 players on their roster in a historically bad draft class? I do not. Move on up and get try to get two #2s.

There are three OTs left. You need to get one of them IMHO. Whatever it takes. Hopefully he isn't a bitch like that lean boy from Indiana. Why would you draft a football player from Indiana when the SEC exists?

[RashanGary]

On the plus, and its really what matters, facing Jeudy, Chase, Smith and all that SEC talent and coming out pretty clean is more important than me than any track competition.


This is it. He played good ball. And it’s said he played both man and zone well.

The upside is a nice bonus with the 4.29 speed. Similar to Sam Shields.

[HarveyWallbangers]

My only worry is his subpar shuttle and 3 cone times. In the NFL an inline 40 isn't as important as the agility runs. However some of that could be training related. If he didn't practice them he likely would be subpar.

On the plus, and its really what matters, facing Jeudy, Chase, Smith and all that SEC talent and coming out pretty clean is more important than me than any track competition.

Gutes proved his chops with Jaire (I think he was behind the King pick also, but I like king more than most). He has an eye for dominant coverage as far as I can tell. I wanted JOK, but I will hope this guy is another Jaire because I remember Harris/Woodson. Hell, maybe we waste some capital and trade up for JOK still.

Shuttle was a bit below average, but his 3 cone was above average. It was right in between Samuel (who is much shorter) and Newsome. Not surprisingly for a bigger CB. You may be thinking of Campbell.

Newsome = 6'0" 192, 4.39 40, 4.26 shuttle, 6.90 3 cone, 40" vertical, 123" broad jump
Stokes = 6'1" 194, 4.31 40, 4.36 shuttle, 6.96 3 cone, 38.5" vertical, 128" broad jump
Campbell = 6'1" 193, 4.40 40, 4.45 shuttle, 7.15 3 cone, 34.5" vertical, 124" broad jump
Samuel = 5'10" 180, 4.41 40, 4.09 shuttle, 6.98 3 cone, 35" vertical, 124" broad jump
Joseph = 5'11" 197, 4.34 40, 4.34 shuttle, 7.21 3 cone, 35" vertical, 128" broad jump

[texaspackerbacker]

Based on those numbers, it appears we got no worse than the second most athletic of that group. One tenth of a second (about 2.5% deviation) in the shuttle could just be a defect in timing and regardless, isn't very significant. The only one better in that bunch is much smaller and a slower in the 40 (arguably a more important stat) by that same one tenth than Stokes. And then there's the lack of a history of injuries. I wanted Newsome, but most of all, I absolutely wanted a Corner. If I'd done more pre-draft research, I might have favored Stokes all along.

[run pMc]

I am guessing there is going to be a ton of trading up. Does anyone think the Packers have room for 7-9 players on their roster in a historically bad draft class? I do not. Move on up and get try to get two #2s.

There are three OTs left. You need to get one of them IMHO. Whatever it takes. Hopefully he isn't a bitch like that lean boy from Indiana. Why would you draft a football player from Indiana when the SEC exists?

Is it historically bad? I don't think we'll know for 2-3 years, but right now the "draft experts" think it's strong at OT, WR, and CB -- areas GB could use depth.
With their cap situation I think they could very well use all 10 picks to take some cheap depth/developmental players. There aren't really many starting spots up for grabs, so picking for the bottom half of the roster and hoping they develop while they are on cheap rookie contracts isn't a bad move. Rosters change by about 30% per season on average, so 10 picks would fit on the 53+ PS.

[King Friday]

By the numbers, he's the most impressive athlete of the group... Considering both size and speed.

In the end, I'm glad we have Stokes instead of Newsome. The Big 10 was a complete disaster last year. Being a dominant DB in that conference last year wasn't impressive to me... And the kid didn't play against the one team that had an elite QB. Stokes held his own against a bunch of guys who were just drafted yesterday. I'll take my chances with that.

[King Friday]

Is it historically bad?.

Bad isn't the right word. Undersized is better. Due to the NCAA letting seniors stay in school another year due to last year being the Covid debacle, there are fewer options to choose from. A lot of talent that would've had to come into the draft is going back to college next year. That is why next year's draft is being viewed as ultra rich.

[Zool]

Bad isn't the right word. Undersized is better. Due to the NCAA letting seniors stay in school another year due to last year being the Covid debacle, there are fewer options to choose from. A lot of talent that would've had to come into the draft is going back to college next year. That is why next year's draft is being viewed as ultra rich.

Begs the question then, why would some teams trade back? In order to trade up, someone has to go back.

[smuggler]

Probably a solid pick for the following reasons:

1. Positional value of corners has increased in the last decade to the point where they're now one of the most important positions and probably the most important when you exclude quarterbacks.
2. It's arguably the biggest need on the team and certainly a top-3 need of the team.
3. Selection value was reasonable. This is the weakest element of my argument. But Stokes was reasonably well regarded by the general evaluation community and moreso when considering athletic/metrics scouting.
4. He's a high character person, seemingly smart, and definitely trending upward/ascending.

[jmbarnes101]

Now that I'm not two sheets to the wind I can objectively look at this pick and I like it. I liked the Savage and Jaire picks, hated the King pick. If we can build up a fantastic secondary it makes everyone else's job easier. Now if we can get a good ILB and a WR like one of the Moore's or Terrace Marshall I'll love this draft. Throw some darts at offensive linemen that they're good at hitting on and a defensive linemen or two another CB and let's go.

[scharpcheddar]

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