Lets talk Trenches

[bobblehead]

The game is won in the trenches. That's a fact. You can have Walter Payton with no blocking and lose. You can have world class DBs and if you can't get to the QB or stop the run you lose.

OL: Jenkins, Bak, Turner, Kelly is the deepest and best the T position has been in my lifetime. Just imagine if my boy Yosh ever develops (I said now or never a month ago and I'm leaning towards never given the depth of this OL).

The youth movement in the interior has begun. Typically we are having "competition" to see who can actually be serviceable. This year the competition is a bunch of guys we know can be serviceable hoping to find really good. If the rookie C isn't up to the task then Patrick has proven he can be an NFL center. Runyan, emerging Braden, and the flexibility of Turner and Jenkins will allow for a massive group up front. This offense will be just as good as last season even if Bak sits til week 6.

DL: I'm finally excited about some prospects. Keke has flashed and TaDarrell is a very large man. He is a much more athletic Lancaster. I don't expect dominance from this group, but finally putting some talent around Clark should elevate this group to a level we haven't seen in several seasons. I still think we will sign a veteran somewhere along the line as there are a couple rotational guys who can play out there still. Geno Atkins just screams week 8 aquisition. Shelby Harris is a guy who can eat some snaps without costing much. A few others.

Its football season y'all, time to get over your hangover from the NBA championship and get excited.

[texaspackerbacker]

Payton is a bad example. He needed a lot of blocking. Try Barry Sanders or O.J. or Jim Brown, guys who ran around, past, or right over people with limited blocking.

My point is that I disagree with your premise about the trenches. You win with high powered offense that can get by with mediocre blocking - an excellent passing game and enough run game to serve as a threat or counter. On D, I'd say the D Line is also the least of it. If you have shutdown Corners or near it, pass rush from OLBs and sideline to sideline tackling machines at ILB, you can get by with plugs like Lowry and Lancaster in the D Line.

That being said, it sure doesn't hurt to have good linemen on both sides of the ball, and I basically agree with your assessment of what the Packers have and probable improvement.

[call_me_ishmael]

If the trenches are as good as advertised and they stay healthy, the Packers will win the super bowl.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Cletidius Clark is overrated and overpaid. Doesn’t consistently dominate the trench. Can’t stonewall the run. Below average bull/pass rusher.

Any fat guy off the streets of Baltimore can do what Clark does. Packers woulda been better off using the frogskins they’ve spent on Clark on a MOFO ILB, like Fred Warner.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Payton is a bad example. He needed a lot of blocking. Try Barry Sanders or O.J. or Jim Brown, guys who ran around, past, or right over people with limited blocking.

My point is that I disagree with your premise about the trenches. You win with high powered offense that can get by with mediocre blocking - an excellent passing game and enough run game to serve as a threat or counter. On D, I'd say the D Line is also the least of it. If you have shutdown Corners or near it, pass rush from OLBs and sideline to sideline tackling machines at ILB, you can get by with plugs like Lowry and Lancaster in the D Line.

That being said, it sure doesn't hurt to have good linemen on both sides of the ball, and I basically agree with your assessment of what the Packers have and probable improvement.

Affirmative.

[CaptainKickass]

I still think we will sign a veteran somewhere along the line as there are a couple rotational guys who can play out there still. Geno Atkins just screams week 8 aquisition. Shelby Harris is a guy who can eat some snaps without costing much. A few others.


Did Damon "Snacks" Harrison crunch 'n' munch his way out of the league? I recall some clamoring for him last season but pretty sure he didn't even have time to get up to speed.

[Sparkey]

Affirmative.

TPB and APB in harmonic unity :whaa:

[Fritz]

I agree that the offensive line looks as deep and promising as a porn star's vagina, but the defensive line depth looks shakier. I am hopeful for Slaton but at this point is all promise and hope and Kenny Clark.

[CaptainKickass]

The Offensive Line may very well be... well... offensive! Ginormous or Hugantic at the very least. I wonder how this OLine size compares around the league?


Josh Myers (6-5, 310) and Dennis Kelly (6-8, 321) really turns this into an intimidating group. And Ben Braden (6-6, 329) is another giant who could play a lot of snaps. The average of the (assumed) top eight guys along the offensive line is somewhere around 6-5 and 314 pounds.

I mean, they might be giants.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7aAqEXWdaU

[RashanGary]

I’m a big believer in trench play.

On offense I would say it’s about 1/3 of the total pie. QB is 1/3. Skill players are 1/3. OL is 1/3.

On defense I would say it’s about 40%.



I’m not nearly as sold on the offense or defense as you, bobble. Meyer and Runyan have a lot to prove. I don’t think Jenkins or Turner are very good at LT.

Defense we have Clark, then borderline rotational guys inside. Z, P and Gary are a top notch threesome. It’s good but not great.


We have a chance at a SB but not an elite trench team IMHO.

[bobblehead]

I’m a big believer in trench play.

On offense I would say it’s about 1/3 of the total pie. QB is 1/3. Skill players are 1/3. OL is 1/3.

On defense I would say it’s about 40%.



I’m not nearly as sold on the offense or defense as you, bobble. Meyer and Runyan have a lot to prove. I don’t think Jenkins or Turner are very good at LT.

Defense we have Clark, then borderline rotational guys inside. Z, P and Gary are a top notch threesome. It’s good but not great.


We have a chance at a SB but not an elite trench team IMHO.

I think the OL is elite considering the depth. You say Jenkins isn't very good at LT? I can only go on the limited amount of time he has spent there. Given full camp I think he is going to be really good. So good its going to cause a problem when its time to extend him. If Meyers isn't as good as McCarren thinks then Patrick will likely be the center. Braden and Runyan are rotating because they are both good not because they are desperately hoping one pans out.

The DL I didn't mean to oversell, but compared to years past I like the depth guys more than I have. And I still believe they may add a body if they think there is still value to be had by doing so. There are still 3-5 guys out there who can play. Plus we have very large OLB. We run nearly a hybrid 3.5-3.5 with their size.

[Upnorth]

Until actual game action Meyer is a maybe. Every year some coaches talk up some picks that arent very good. Let's hope Meyers isn't one of them.
Runyon was ok last year. Hope he made a jump. Jenkins and Turner are good until bahk gets back

[texaspackerbacker]

I’m a big believer in trench play.

On offense I would say it’s about 1/3 of the total pie. QB is 1/3. Skill players are 1/3. OL is 1/3.

On defense I would say it’s about 40%.



I’m not nearly as sold on the offense or defense as you, bobble. Meyer and Runyan have a lot to prove. I don’t think Jenkins or Turner are very good at LT.

Defense we have Clark, then borderline rotational guys inside. Z, P and Gary are a top notch threesome. It’s good but not great.


We have a chance at a SB but not an elite trench team IMHO.

I'd have to ask, RG, are you considering your big outside pass rushers to be "D Line"? Then, maybe yeah to what you say. But in a 3-4 or whatever where Z, Preston, and RG (the other one) are called OLBs, it's pretty hard to claim the D Line is the biggest deal on D.

[texaspackerbacker]

I think the OL is elite considering the depth. You say Jenkins isn't very good at LT? I can only go on the limited amount of time he has spent there. Given full camp I think he is going to be really good. So good its going to cause a problem when its time to extend him. If Meyers isn't as good as McCarren thinks then Patrick will likely be the center. Braden and Runyan are rotating because they are both good not because they are desperately hoping one pans out.

The DL I didn't mean to oversell, but compared to years past I like the depth guys more than I have. And I still believe they may add a body if they think there is still value to be had by doing so. There are still 3-5 guys out there who can play. Plus we have very large OLB. We run nearly a hybrid 3.5-3.5 with their size.

It would take something horrendous - like life without Aaron Rodgers - to really say one way or another about how good or bad our O Line is. My strong opinion is that Rodgers has been carrying the line and making them seem to a lot of people way better than what they are for quite a few years. With Jenkins and hopefully Meyers approaching elite status, who knows, maybe they could carry a Rodgers-less team to greatness, but I sort of doubt it.

[RashanGary]

I'd have to ask, RG, are you considering your big outside pass rushers to be "D Line"? Then, maybe yeah to what you say. But in a 3-4 or whatever where Z, Preston, and RG (the other one) are called OLBs, it's pretty hard to claim the D Line is the biggest deal on D.

I do consider 3-4 OLBs as part of trench play. They set edges in the trenches abd rush the passer in the trenches. I consider them more like a DL than a LB

[Upnorth]

It would take something horrendous - like life without Aaron Rodgers - to really say one way or another about how good or bad our O Line is. My strong opinion is that Rodgers has been carrying the line and making them seem to a lot of people way better than what they are for quite a few years. With Jenkins and hopefully Meyers approaching elite status, who knows, maybe they could carry a Rodgers-less team to greatness, but I sort of doubt it.

Our line had one bad game last year. The nfccg. We had one injury, to bakh. 12 was not injured yet his pressure rate was almost double what it was in the next worse game last year, against tampa in the reg season. Similar scheme, same qb, only major difference was what I call an all pro likely hof tackle and what you call a good but not great tackle was gone. Arguably Turner was still coming back from injury a few weeks prior in the first game but I dont think it hobbled him either game.

So our oline is just average in your opinion but I don't think that fits what I saw.

Further others saw it as well.
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2021/2/12/22273494/packers-2020-roster-grades-offensive-line-led-the-nfl-in-run-and-pass-blocking-win-rates

[Fritz]

The two keys will be Myers's ability to step in right away and play at a high level, and of course injuries. But the offensive line and running back appear to be the deepest positions on the team.

[bobblehead]

Good time to revisit this. Yosh, now or never I said...leaned towards never because of the depth...then injuries happened and hello mr. Nijman!! I would say the depth and quality we have seen backs up my premise that this is an overall elite group and unit.

[Fritz]

Good time to revisit this. Yosh, now or never I said...leaned towards never because of the depth...then injuries happened and hello mr. Nijman!! I would say the depth and quality we have seen backs up my premise that this is an overall elite group and unit.

From what you've all seen, is Nijman now a "capable backup" and has reached his limit, or has he shown enough that he might be a starter in this league?

[King Friday]

Kansas City has all the elite talent on offense in the world... And they keep getting curb stomped. This is because their OL is inferior...and strongly refutes Tex's mantra.

[George Cumby]

^ This.

This OL is so impressive given what's being thrown out there.

Rodgers had beautiful clean pockets and at moments had all day back there. Pack had 130 on the ground.

Sure, the Bengals gave the O a hard time, but I got some news for you: the other team gets paid to play and they are most definitely a talented team and appear to be well-coached.

The DL, amazingly, shows promise. Take away Burrow's 11 yards and the Bengals got less than 100 on the ground.

No less astounding, I think the LB play is elevating as well. Gary and P.Smith were super active yesterday. IDK who #53 is but he forced that one sack by collapsing the right side of the pocket.

[Harlan Huckleby]

THe fat boys did well, was saying that to myself throughout game.

I hesitate to say too much as I thought that the Bak injury and vet losses would catch up to Packers this year and I don't much like being wrong.

[run pMc]

^ This.

This OL is so impressive given what's being thrown out there.

Rodgers had beautiful clean pockets and at moments had all day back there. Pack had 130 on the ground.

Sure, the Bengals gave the O a hard time, but I got some news for you: the other team gets paid to play and they are most definitely a talented team and appear to be well-coached.

The DL, amazingly, shows promise. Take away Burrow's 11 yards and the Bengals got less than 100 on the ground.

No less astounding, I think the LB play is elevating as well. Gary and P.Smith were super active yesterday. IDK who #53 is but he forced that one sack by collapsing the right side of the pocket.

#53 is Garvin. He's pretty much all bull rush and depth. Not sure he'll develop past that, but who knows. He's ok.
Agree on the KC OL -- Buffalo has a very good defense and made Mahomes uncomfortable last night. Their OL injuries cost them the SB last year. Going into a game with a backup LT is like going into a game without your best CB; it's a potential weakness the other side will try to exploit.

Rodgers is good and getting the ball out fast will help cover for a injury ravaged OL. He took 2 sacks and 5 hits vs. CIN; it could have been much much worse with 3 backups playing. OL play definitely matters though. Ask Joe Burrow's ACL (or David Carr's career) about OL play.

As for defense, they are playing ok. Seems like they make 2nd half adjustments that work, I think they give up less points after the half.
I like that they go with 3 DL more than Pettine did -- seems to help vs. the run. They don't quite have the players they need there -- I feel like Clark needs a running mate to really do some damage. Preston has had a good year and Gary has his moments. He's around the ball and contributing. Lowry will disappear against a good OL; Lancaster is deep depth IMO and Slaton should get snaps to develop. Keke is a rotational guy; they need another stud on that line to really make it work, especially with Z out. If you just get 3 really big fat guys you will get the gaps filled vs the run but I doubt you'll get any pass rush up the middle; 320+ pounders who can pass rush are extremely rare. The current NFL says you need pass rush up the middle to make the QB uncomfortable and help the OLBs get there.

[HarveyWallbangers]

From what you've all seen, is Nijman now a "capable backup" and has reached his limit, or has he shown enough that he might be a starter in this league?

He has tremendous athletic skills, so I don't think we've seen his ceiling. If he keeps working to get stronger and keeps improving the mental side, there's no physical reason he can't be a decent starter.

[texaspackerbacker]

My "mantra" is that the Packers with Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Jones don't need anything special in the O Line. But if you want to talk about K.C., they've mostly been getting outscored - their D beaten by other team' offense. Buffalo, of course, is good enough to beat almost anybody most of the time. Also, Mahomes for whatever reason has kinda come down to earth this season. Yesterday's game really highlighted the lack of importance of good O Line play - we really didn't get good O Line play at all, but we still had great success by Rodgers and moderate success by Jones.

The other half of the trenches, the D Line, was fairly poor yesterday for the Packers too - everybody other than Clark, and he got double teamed a lot. But no matter - we won the game anyway on a generally bad day against a fired up 3-1 team at their place.

The whole premise of winning games in the trenches is overrated, outdated, and/or downright false. It's all about skill players.

[bobblehead]

From what you've all seen, is Nijman now a "capable backup" and has reached his limit, or has he shown enough that he might be a starter in this league?

He isn't maxed out by any means. Given his physical gifts and now that we know he worked to improve he actually has a VERY high ceiling. My biggest concern was always that he was "content". But look at the man. I can't recall an OT with that kind of size and movement skills. He still needs work, but he is eons ahead of where he was 2 years ago and he is bigger, faster and stronger than Bak. Maybe Bak can teach him how to legally hold next!!

[run pMc]

The whole premise of winning games in the trenches is overrated, outdated, and/or downright false. It's all about skill players.

Disagree, especially in the playoffs when the opposing D has studs like Donald, Bosa, Suh/JPP, etc. or when the opposing OL has Pro Bowl caliber players stopping the pass rush and opening running lanes.

In terms of skill players the one that matters most is the QB... if you have a good scheme and game plan you can get by with meh skill players at the other positions -- MLF has proven that when Adams or Jones have missed games.
If the OL opens running lanes and keeps the QB upright to make throws the MLF offense should work.

[smuggler]

The whole premise of winning games in the trenches is overrated, outdated, and/or downright false. It's all about skill players.

You really couldn't be more wrong. Tampa showed us that in the NFCC and SB last year. They also have great receivers and a good, reliable passer, but principally they won those games in the trenches.

[bobblehead]

My "mantra" is that the Packers with Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Jones don't need anything special in the O Line. But if you want to talk about K.C., they've mostly been getting outscored - their D beaten by other team' offense. Buffalo, of course, is good enough to beat almost anybody most of the time. Also, Mahomes for whatever reason has kinda come down to earth this season. Yesterday's game really highlighted the lack of importance of good O Line play - we really didn't get good O Line play at all, but we still had great success by Rodgers and moderate success by Jones.

The other half of the trenches, the D Line, was fairly poor yesterday for the Packers too - everybody other than Clark, and he got double teamed a lot. But no matter - we won the game anyway on a generally bad day against a fired up 3-1 team at their place.

The whole premise of winning games in the trenches is overrated, outdated, and/or downright false. It's all about skill players.

Is that how the patriots won all those rings? With super skilled WR and RBs? I never knew. I thought they did it with a consistently good OL and top ranked defense.

[Upnorth]

My "mantra" is that the Packers with Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Jones don't need anything special in the O Line. But if you want to talk about K.C., they've mostly been getting outscored - their D beaten by other team' offense. Buffalo, of course, is good enough to beat almost anybody most of the time. Also, Mahomes for whatever reason has kinda come down to earth this season. Yesterday's game really highlighted the lack of importance of good O Line play - we really didn't get good O Line play at all, but we still had great success by Rodgers and moderate success by Jones.

The other half of the trenches, the D Line, was fairly poor yesterday for the Packers too - everybody other than Clark, and he got double teamed a lot. But no matter - we won the game anyway on a generally bad day against a fired up 3-1 team at their place.

The whole premise of winning games in the trenches is overrated, outdated, and/or downright false. It's all about skill players.

Dude, when our line played poorly our o went no where. Re watch the game and look at the line. Rodgers avoid pressure a couple times all game, but mostly when not under center it was a designed roll out. Oline don't accidentally block 5 yards right or left of center. It's called a game plan.

[Fritz]

I think Tex is dead wrong, but in a different way than you all do.

Me, I think it's all about your punter and kicker. You have superstars at those two positions, the rest of the team can be mediocre and you'll still end up in the playoffs pretty much every year.

[smuggler]

I think Tex is dead wrong, but in a different way than you all do.

Me, I think it's all about your punter and kicker. You have superstars at those two positions, the rest of the team can be mediocre and you'll still end up in the playoffs pretty much every year.

Top notch satire.

[George Cumby]

That's why smart GM-Coaches keep two punters on the roster.

[Upnorth]

Last year offense red zone td percentage #1 @80%
This year offense red zone td percentage #27 @55%

Skill players unchanged. Oline very changed. Does the oline matter?

[texaspackerbacker]

Dude, when our line played poorly our o went no where. Re watch the game and look at the line. Rodgers avoid pressure a couple times all game, but mostly when not under center it was a designed roll out. Oline don't accidentally block 5 yards right or left of center. It's called a game plan.

I don't know what game you watched, but Rodgers only got a clean pocket 3 or 4 times - and that's more than he gets a lot of times. The moving pocket/designed rollout thing you're talking about isn't used often by the Packers, and when they do use it, there's usually still a lot of pressure. Most of the time when Rodgers is on the move it's because the pressure is on him. Thankfully, not much of that pressure was up the middle, as that is harder to escape from.

Bobblehead, a guy named Brady had something to do with the Patriots winning a lot too. I always said, he gets ten times as good pass blocking as Rodgers gets. That's still true with Tampa. Even when a team is loaded in one or the other "trenches" or both, though, it still is the skill players that win games - or lose them if they mess up. A lot of teams have those trenches covered - we'll see one next Sunday, and they don't win. The Packers - because of Rodgers - and maybe very very few other teams win consistently even with weakness in the O Line or D Line.

[run pMc]

Last year offense red zone td percentage #1 @80%
This year offense red zone td percentage #27 @55%

Skill players unchanged. Oline very changed. Does the oline matter?

Yep. I'd say the RZ issues on O are partly due to OL and partly due to play calling. They've called some head scratchers, but also not executed well.
I would also argue that the relative lack of explosive run plays has something to do with missing starters on the OL.

Brady is the king of getting the ball out quick. You can avoid a lot of sacks that way. He's also a unicorn -- there isn't another QB like him.

I went back and watched the Cincy game -- Rodgers had a pretty clean pocket in general. It's largely been that way this year and last; look at the sacks/hits/pressures numbers and compare to other QBs.

[George Cumby]

Last year offense red zone td percentage #1 @80%
This year offense red zone td percentage #27 @55%

Skill players unchanged. Oline very changed. Does the oline matter?

You and your fact, figures and logic.

[Joemailman]

I don't know what game you watched, but Rodgers only got a clean pocket 3 or 4 times - and that's more than he gets a lot of times. The moving pocket/designed rollout thing you're talking about isn't used often by the Packers, and when they do use it, there's usually still a lot of pressure. Most of the time when Rodgers is on the move it's because the pressure is on him. Thankfully, not much of that pressure was up the middle, as that is harder to escape from.

Bobblehead, a guy named Brady had something to do with the Patriots winning a lot too. I always said, he gets ten times as good pass blocking as Rodgers gets. That's still true with Tampa. Even when a team is loaded in one or the other "trenches" or both, though, it still is the skill players that win games - or lose them if they mess up. A lot of teams have those trenches covered - we'll see one next Sunday, and they don't win. The Packers - because of Rodgers - and maybe very very few other teams win consistently even with weakness in the O Line or D Line.

I think you have a distorted view of what a clean pocket is. It doesn't mean that there are no pass rushers in the vicinity. Of course there usually will be. It means the QB has the ability to step up in the pocket to make the throw. You acknowledged there wasn't much pressure up the middle. Hence, a clean pocket. I believe PFF said Rodgers had a clean pocket on 24 throws Sunday. And that's against one of the better defensive fronts in the NFL.

[RashanGary]

The Packers offense has been a big step down from a year ago largely because of the OL.

I look at the offense in thirds

1/3 QB
1/3 OL
1/3 Skill guys

The QB and skill guys are the same from a year ago. The OL is worse. The whole offense is doing worse because of the OL.

[RashanGary]

If you include the QB with the skill guys then sure, the skill guys are more important.

But the OL is still important. They make up 5/11ths of the offense and about 1/3 of the productivity.

[Joemailman]

The Packers offense has been a big step down from a year ago largely because of the OL.

I look at the offense in thirds

1/3 QB
1/3 OL
1/3 Skill guys

The QB and skill guys are the same from a year ago. The OL is worse. The whole offense is doing worse because of the OL.

That's part of it. But Rodgers isn't as sharp as he was last year. He's missed some throws he was making last year. He also hasn't gotten the ball to Tonyan much yet. For whatever reason, Tonyan isn't getting as open as he was last year. When Rodgers does throw to Tonyan this year, the window is usually very small.

[texaspackerbacker]

I think you have a distorted view of what a clean pocket is. It doesn't mean that there are no pass rushers in the vicinity. Of course there usually will be. It means the QB has the ability to step up in the pocket to make the throw. You acknowledged there wasn't much pressure up the middle. Hence, a clean pocket. I believe PFF said Rodgers had a clean pocket on 24 throws Sunday. And that's against one of the better defensive fronts in the NFL.

In that case, I strongly disagree with PFF. I call a clean pocket when the QB doesn't need to move to avoid or escape the pass rush. I didn't see that more than low single digit times. I'm not knocking our O Line too much. In the context of how we got them - what draft pick, UDFA, etc. and how much they are paid, they performed moderately well. I saw some apparent complaints in here about Rodgers not avoiding the pass rush by moving forward. If you go forward and the receivers are still covered, you have hemmed yourself in which no option except throw it away or risk a pick. If you escape to the side - as Rodgers does often - or drop back further as Rodgers did on the Cobb throw and the Adams throw late in the game, but extend the play and open yourself up to a clearer view of receivers.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The Packers offense has been a big step down from a year ago largely because of the OL.

I look at the offense in thirds

1/3 QB
1/3 OL
1/3 Skill guys

The QB and skill guys are the same from a year ago. The OL is worse. The whole offense is doing worse because of the OL.

Skill guys are the same, but it doesn’t mean they are playing as well. Rodgers hasn’t been as sharp. Tonyan and Lazard haven’t been schemed open as much. MVS has been hurt. OL is a bit worse, but it’s still been top 10 according to most metrics.

[HarveyWallbangers]

And according to advanced metrics we’ve faced 3 (New Orleans, San Fran, Pittsburgh) of the top 6 defenses in the NFL so far, and Cincinnati’s defense is above average also. Chicago is ranked #3.

[RashanGary]

And according to advanced metrics we’ve faced 3 (New Orleans, San Fran, Pittsburgh) of the top 6 defenses in the NFL so far, and Cincinnati’s defense is above average also. Chicago is ranked #3.

I didn’t realize this was the case. The health of the OL and hopefully some competition change will lead to a more productive offense

[George Cumby]

And according to advanced metrics we’ve faced 3 (New Orleans, San Fran, Pittsburgh) of the top 6 defenses in the NFL so far, and Cincinnati’s defense is above average also. Chicago is ranked #3.

Steel sharpens steel.

I like it.

[smuggler]

Steel hones steel. Stone sharpens steel.

[Sparkey]

Steel hones steel. Stone sharpens steel.

sandstone begs to differ. :-|

[bobblehead]

Steel hones steel. Stone sharpens steel.

Neither one stands a chance against Tex's rock stubborn cranium!!!

[smuggler]

Bone dulls steel? Sandstone yields to almost anything like a 2011 a Dom Capers defense.

[George Cumby]

Neither one stands a chance against Tex's rock stubborn cranium!!!

It's the non-Newtonian fluid inside the cranium which poses the real problem.

[Joemailman]

According to PFF, Newman gave up 6 pressures yesterday. He contniues to be the weakest link. With Bakhtiari coming back soon, someone has to sit, and it should be Newman. Do Packers move Jenkins to C and Patrick to RG, or move Jenkins to LG and Runyan to RG?

[texaspackerbacker]

Jenkins to LG and Runyan to RG. Patrick hasn't been horrible at Center, and hopefully we get Myers back fairly soon.

It was spotty, but there was a little bit of decent run blocking yesterday. As always, the pass blocking was mostly poor. I think those "pressure" numbers are actually a lot more than PFF says they are.