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call_me_ishmael
08-30-2021, 11:11 AM
This draft sucked balls Alexander aside. That said, what a savvy move to pick up an extra #1 pick by wheeling and dealing and still getting a stud.

But woof, every pick in this draft sucks balls other than Alexander and MVS. 1 starter is two starters too few.

Round 1, pick 18 (18th overall) (via Seattle): Jaire Alexander, CB,Louisville
Round 2, pick 12 (45th overall): Josh Jackson, CB, Iowa
Round 3, pick 24 (88th overall): Oren Burks, ILB, Vanderbilt
Round 4, pick 33(133 overall): J’Mon Moore, WR, Missouri
Round 5, pick 1 (138 overall): Cole Madison, G, Washington State
Round 5, pick 35 (172 overall) JK Scott, P, Alabama
Round 5 pick 37 (174 overall): Marquez Valdes-Scantling, WR, South Florida
Round 6, pick 33 (207 overall) Equanimeous St. Brown, WR, Notre Dame
Round 7, pick 14 (232 overall): James Looney, DE, California
Round 7, pick 21 (239 overall): Hunter Bradley, Ls, Mississippi State
Round 7 pick 30 (248 overall) (via Seattle): Kendall Donnerson, Edge, Southeast Missouri State

texaspackerbacker
08-30-2021, 12:21 PM
People can say what they want about my guy, St. Brown, but it's pretty much indisputable that Valdez-Scantling in the 5th was a super pick. The jury is, of course, still out on Burks too. All things considered, I'll give the draft a B or B+.

Tony Oday
08-30-2021, 01:10 PM
MVS will be a top20 WR this year maybe even better.

HarveyWallbangers
08-30-2021, 01:28 PM
Does this draft get credit for the Darnell Savage pick the next year--since the pick was acquired in 2018? It certainly made the 2019 draft look much better (Gary, Savage, Jenkins, Keke).

call_me_ishmael
08-30-2021, 01:46 PM
Does this draft get credit for the Darnell Savage pick the next year--since the pick was acquired in 2018? It certainly made the 2019 draft look much better (Gary, Savage, Jenkins, Keke).

Yeah I think so. It was a very savvy trade.

call_me_ishmael
08-30-2021, 03:33 PM
2017 was ass too, my god.

Round 2, pick 33: Kevin King, CB, Washington
Round 2, pick 61: Josh Jones, S, NC State
Round 3, pick 93: Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn
Round 4, pick 108: Vince Biegel, OLB, Wisconsin
Round 4, pick 134: Jamaal Williams, RB, BYU
Round 5, pick 175: Deangelo Yancey, WR, Purdue
Round 5, pick 182: Aaron Jones, RB, UTEP
Round 6, pick 212: Kofi Amichia, T, South Florida
Round 7, pick 238: Devante Mays, RB, Utah State
Round 7, pick 247: Malachi Dupre, WR, LSU

One starter, one back-up CB. Not good. It is shocking the Packers are so good right now. They are star heavy clearly.

2016 was bad too:

Round 1, pick 27 (#27 overall): Kenny Clark, defensive tackle, UCLA
Round 2, pick 17 (#48): Jason Spriggs, offensive tackle, Indiana
Round 3, pick 25 (#88): Kyler Fackrell, outside linebacker, Utah State
Round 4, pick 36 (#131): Blake Martinez, inside linebacker, Stanford
Round 4, pick 21 (#137): Dean Lowry, defensive end, Northwestern
Round 5, pick 26 (#163): Trevor Davis, wide receiver, California
Round 6, pick 25 (#200): Kyle Murphy, offensive tackle, Stanford

One premier top notch starter, the other starter is just a guy. Nobody else left.

Nobody left from 2015, nobody was ever good anyway.

Round 1 (30): Damarious Randall, S
Round 2 (62): Quinten Rollins, CB
Round 3 (94): Ty Montgomery, WR
Round 4 (129): Jake Ryan, LB
Round 5 (147): Brett Hundley, QB
Round 6 (206): Aaron Ripkowski, FB
Round 6 (210): Christian Ringo, DE
Round 6 (213): Kennard Backman, TE

Tony Oday
08-30-2021, 03:46 PM
16 and 17 were good. Clark is elite, used Spriggs, Fackrell, Lowry and Martinez. King plays, Williams did but got priced out here and AJ is a top RB in the NFL.

RashanGary
08-30-2021, 06:01 PM
15 was horrible. Yikes.

Alexander and MVS make 18 about a C for me.

Upnorth
08-31-2021, 08:33 AM
2018 yielded an all pro corner, a still growing 3rd wr, and at the least a #3 ilb. That does not suck. That is ok so c+ b- imo.
Some more role players would have been nice but it was better than what we have seen in past, and appears to be the start of an up swing.

bobblehead
08-31-2021, 08:40 AM
You need to get 2 starters from every draft for it to be solid. If you get a jaire alexander or Elgton Jenkins then you maybe need 2 role guys to go with them. 2018 will pretty much be judged as merely ok in my book. Burks has been a good ST player. If he actually looks the part on defense (which I do NOT have confidence in) then this draft ends up as good.

Fritz
08-31-2021, 09:08 AM
2015 was a killer, a complete dud. The next three were okay, at least - they met the minimum threshold for at least an okay draft. I'm not sure how you evaluate the number of starters you get versus getting only one starter who is great, like Jaire Alexander or Aaron Jones. But it definitely seems that outside of a couple of really good picks, Ted lost his mojo those last three years or so. 2016 was pretty good - four guys who start or started in the NFL - but outside of Clark, fairly average guys. Still, starters.

Hard to measure the success of a draft. Is it a good draft if you get an All Pro player and another starter but little else, like 2016 and 2018? Is it a good draft if you get three middle-of-the-road starters/contributors and one very good player, like 2016?

call_me_ishmael
08-31-2021, 11:56 AM
My take away is it shows how bright the stars shine on the team. They are very star driven. They don't have a lot of solid guys come through recently via draft. They are either really good, or really bad. The A or an F approach from the Gooter.

HarveyWallbangers
08-31-2021, 12:29 PM
My take away is it shows how bright the stars shine on the team. They are very star driven. They don't have a lot of solid guys come through recently via draft. They are either really good, or really bad. The A or an F approach from the Gooter.

Well, Gute corrected TT's last few poor drafts by signing Big Z, Preston, Turner, and Amos.

smuggler
08-31-2021, 12:38 PM
2016 was a pretty solid draft. I don't see anything bad about it.

call_me_ishmael
08-31-2021, 01:56 PM
Well, Gute corrected TT's last few poor drafts by signing Big Z, Preston, Turner, and Amos.

Probably one of the greatest FA classes ever in the NFL too.

Bretsky
08-31-2021, 07:54 PM
2017 was ass too, my god.

Round 2, pick 33: Kevin King, CB, Washington
Round 2, pick 61: Josh Jones, S, NC State
Round 3, pick 93: Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn
Round 4, pick 108: Vince Biegel, OLB, Wisconsin
Round 4, pick 134: Jamaal Williams, RB, BYU
Round 5, pick 175: Deangelo Yancey, WR, Purdue
Round 5, pick 182: Aaron Jones, RB, UTEP
Round 6, pick 212: Kofi Amichia, T, South Florida
Round 7, pick 238: Devante Mays, RB, Utah State
Round 7, pick 247: Malachi Dupre, WR, LSU

One starter, one back-up CB. Not good. It is shocking the Packers are so good right now. They are star heavy clearly.

2016 was bad too:

Round 1, pick 27 (#27 overall): Kenny Clark, defensive tackle, UCLA
Round 2, pick 17 (#48): Jason Spriggs, offensive tackle, Indiana
Round 3, pick 25 (#88): Kyler Fackrell, outside linebacker, Utah State
Round 4, pick 36 (#131): Blake Martinez, inside linebacker, Stanford
Round 4, pick 21 (#137): Dean Lowry, defensive end, Northwestern
Round 5, pick 26 (#163): Trevor Davis, wide receiver, California
Round 6, pick 25 (#200): Kyle Murphy, offensive tackle, Stanford

One premier top notch starter, the other starter is just a guy. Nobody else left.

Nobody left from 2015, nobody was ever good anyway.

Round 1 (30): Damarious Randall, S
Round 2 (62): Quinten Rollins, CB
Round 3 (94): Ty Montgomery, WR
Round 4 (129): Jake Ryan, LB
Round 5 (147): Brett Hundley, QB
Round 6 (206): Aaron Ripkowski, FB
Round 6 (210): Christian Ringo, DE
Round 6 (213): Kennard Backman, TE


Prolly a good thing we had a QB who could take a team on his back to nine wins every year :))