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George Cumby
09-20-2021, 06:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbTOWh_3l68

Lions upset a discombobulated Packers team.

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 06:13 PM
Packers 31
Lions 16

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 06:17 PM
Packers inactives:

TE Josiah Deguara
OLB La’Darius Hamilton
C Jake Hanson
DL Jack Heflin
CB Shemar Jean-Charles
S Vernon Scott

Harlan Huckleby
09-20-2021, 07:12 PM
"Peyton and Eli are on ESPN 2"

OK, I'll bite.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 07:18 PM
King. Oh my.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 07:19 PM
Embarrassing.

Bossman641
09-20-2021, 07:19 PM
Please end the Kevin King experiment

Harlan Huckleby
09-20-2021, 07:20 PM
Embarrassing.

So far it's got that New Orleans, little dick energy.

Teamcheez1
09-20-2021, 07:21 PM
Defense is a total mess.

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 07:21 PM
No pass rush.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 07:22 PM
D lays another egg.

Bossman641
09-20-2021, 07:22 PM
Where is the pass rush

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 07:23 PM
Could be a long game.

Harlan Huckleby
09-20-2021, 07:23 PM
I'm going to do some crocheting while I watch to calm myself.

Bretsky
09-20-2021, 07:23 PM
QUINTEN CEPHUS

Where is Wisty who hates my Badgers :)))

Anti-Polar Bear
09-20-2021, 07:24 PM
How the fuck does a guy with a 6.7 40 get that open?

Bring back Capers!

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 07:25 PM
That’s the reason King hasn’t been replaced, although he needs to be.

Harlan Huckleby
09-20-2021, 07:27 PM
nicely designed play. Dillon slows down pursuit

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 07:28 PM
Rodgers is coloring his hair?

Harlan Huckleby
09-20-2021, 07:30 PM
Ya, put some highlights in his mullet

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 07:31 PM
Nice TE screen.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 07:33 PM
Jones had a great drive.

Teamcheez1
09-20-2021, 07:34 PM
Nice, efficient drive. Need the defense to step up.

Anti-Polar Bear
09-20-2021, 07:35 PM
Madtown’s at the game, and he won’t even login to tell us.

smuggler
09-20-2021, 07:35 PM
Alright, offense has bucked some of their bad juju. Let's see if the defense can do something similar. Or even remotely close.


Nice TE screen.

Runyan missed a block at the end or Bobby might have really turned it into something nice.

Anti-Polar Bear
09-20-2021, 07:42 PM
The lions kicking themselves is the only way Barry’s hapless, tasteless D can stop them

Anti-Polar Bear
09-20-2021, 07:43 PM
Who the fuck are 47 and 53? Bring back the Claymaker!

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 07:45 PM
This defense is epically bad.

Teamcheez1
09-20-2021, 07:47 PM
Grounding?

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 07:48 PM
Barely got off the field after 1st and 25.

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 07:49 PM
Refs trying to gift shit to the Packers.

Teamcheez1
09-20-2021, 07:49 PM
I wish I could mute the game with these trash announcers.

smuggler
09-20-2021, 07:49 PM
Not grounding. Outside the pocket and he got hit.

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 07:50 PM
I'm watching on my fucking phone and could see it was an attempted pass. SMH

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 07:51 PM
4 penalties on those 4 downs. We get credited with a stop.

Anti-Polar Bear
09-20-2021, 07:51 PM
This defense is epically bad.

Barry doesn’t know anything but Tampa 2. Brooks Bollinger dismantled that D eons ago, and the kook’s still running it.

Where are the corner blitzes, the Pistol Force?

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 07:52 PM
Barry doesn’t know anything but Tampa 2. Brooks Bollinger dismantled that D eons ago, and the kook’s still running it.

Where are the corner blitzes, the Pistol Force?

You should be out there, not that bum, King.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 07:52 PM
All they have to do is run it 4 straight times and we can’t stop them.

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 07:53 PM
Yup. This is a gutless defense.

smuggler
09-20-2021, 07:53 PM
All they have to do is run it 4 straight times and we can’t stop them.

This has been true for the last two years, but teams outsmart themselves.

pittstang5
09-20-2021, 07:53 PM
Amari Rodgers - WTF - get the punt an go!!

Teamcheez1
09-20-2021, 07:53 PM
Underthrown

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 07:53 PM
He threw it short.

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 07:54 PM
Why is Rodgers going for a kill shot on first down?

Teamcheez1
09-20-2021, 07:54 PM
Rodgers will be gone next year.

pittstang5
09-20-2021, 07:54 PM
Seriously....WTF

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 07:55 PM
I guess we gave up on the run.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 07:55 PM
We win with defense.

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 07:56 PM
Fuck Error Rodgers.

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 07:57 PM
We win with defense.

Hahahahahaha

smuggler
09-20-2021, 07:58 PM
I kind of understand testing the cornerback, but that shot ruined the chances for that drive.

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 08:00 PM
Yup. Get three yards on a run on first down and it's 3rd and two.

Teamcheez1
09-20-2021, 08:00 PM
This defense is terrible.

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 08:02 PM
Holy shit.

Does anyone see any fight in this team at all?

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 08:02 PM
1st and goal. We need a penalty or 4.

Anti-Polar Bear
09-20-2021, 08:04 PM
4 men rush all day. I miss the psycho. I miss capers!

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 08:05 PM
Hahahahahahahaha

Teamcheez1
09-20-2021, 08:05 PM
Joe Berry and MLF may both be gone at this rate.

smuggler
09-20-2021, 08:05 PM
What's Pettine up to?

I know Kenny Clark is a good player, but we're paying him like he's an impact player. He is not.

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 08:06 PM
What's Hank Bullough up to?

scharpcheddar
09-20-2021, 08:06 PM
�� I'm just here for the meltdown
.
14-7

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 08:07 PM
Doesn’t help to have a shutdown corner when nobody else on the defense can cover.

Harlan Huckleby
09-20-2021, 08:07 PM
What's Pettine up to?

enjoying the evening

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 08:12 PM
Detroit D looks like our D.

scharpcheddar
09-20-2021, 08:15 PM
Well, should score

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 08:17 PM
Well, should score

https://partycity6.scene7.com/is/image/PartyCity/_pdp_sq_?$_500x500_$&$product=PartyCity/P793446_01

scharpcheddar
09-20-2021, 08:17 PM
Should.......

scharpcheddar
09-20-2021, 08:18 PM
Did score

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 08:19 PM
Defense gonna stop 'em?

scharpcheddar
09-20-2021, 08:19 PM
14-14

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 08:20 PM
enjoying the evening

hahahahaha

pittstang5
09-20-2021, 08:21 PM
Packer defense is worse than I thought. Holy crap! What was MLF thinking when he hired this Barry clown

red
09-20-2021, 08:21 PM
Defense gonna stop 'em?

not with king on the roster

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 08:22 PM
Our STs suck, too.

red
09-20-2021, 08:22 PM
special teams and defense working together

smuggler
09-20-2021, 08:22 PM
What's Hank Bullough up to?

I believe he died, unfortunately.

That might still constitute an upgrade from Berry.

pittstang5
09-20-2021, 08:22 PM
Am I the only one hoping Detroit scores quickly so PAckers can get the ball back and possibly score before the half

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 08:22 PM
They might score too soon.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 08:23 PM
They’re running it to burn clock.

pittstang5
09-20-2021, 08:23 PM
Goff with all fuckin day!!!

Teamcheez1
09-20-2021, 08:23 PM
Zero pass rush

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 08:24 PM
Defense gonna stop 'em?

Yeah....... no.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 08:24 PM
Zone D is so bad.

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 08:24 PM
Don't blame King when QB has that much time to throw.

red
09-20-2021, 08:25 PM
listening to it on the radio, sounds like we just gave goof 20 seconds to throw the ball

so much for all the dick sucking the pre game guys were doing about how good gary was gonna be

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 08:25 PM
Who will be open on the left side of the end zone?

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 08:25 PM
Campbell looks bad-ass.

I like the cut of his jib.

Anti-Polar Bear
09-20-2021, 08:26 PM
Zone D is so bad.

Berry’s actually running a tons of cover 2 man

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 08:26 PM
Hockenfuss or Cephas.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 08:27 PM
Berry’s actually running a tons of cover 2 man

Not that play.

pittstang5
09-20-2021, 08:28 PM
Need a turnover

red
09-20-2021, 08:29 PM
Am I the only one hoping Detroit scores quickly so PAckers can get the ball back and possibly score before the half

who says we can score after they score?

Teamcheez1
09-20-2021, 08:29 PM
King had good coverage

red
09-20-2021, 08:29 PM
yay, king makes the one play to keep him on the roster

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 08:29 PM
The backfield is utterly lost.

It's like the bad old days.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 08:29 PM
King with a good play..haven’t said that in a while.

pittstang5
09-20-2021, 08:31 PM
who says we can score after they score?

Just didn't want to delay the inevitable - you knew Detroit was gonna score, whether it be a FG or TD.

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 08:32 PM
Stop praising King, it was a case of the sun shining on a dog's ass.

He got lucky by guessing right.

The back-field is totally clueless.

Teamcheez1
09-20-2021, 08:33 PM
Goff with a passer rating of 141.9 in the first half.

red
09-20-2021, 08:33 PM
so

losing to the lions at halftime and making Goff look like another pro bowler

red
09-20-2021, 08:34 PM
theyre gonna have to expand the pro bowl rosters this year to fit in all the QBs we play

Fosco33
09-20-2021, 08:35 PM
Terrible D. No pressure. Jaire being good makes Kings job even harder - and he still doesn’t look like a starting cb.

MrJuly4th
09-20-2021, 08:36 PM
Please remove my profile from this site. I have tried to make comments an NONE are posted. Worst site I have every seen.

MadScientist
09-20-2021, 08:36 PM
Can Joe Barry be fired at halftime?
Please!?

George Cumby
09-20-2021, 08:36 PM
I'm telling you, this team is in trouble.

Murphy, Gute, MLF and #12 all play a role in this turd in a punchbowl.

Shit's gonna' get ugly this season.

Teamcheez1
09-20-2021, 08:37 PM
I don’t remember the last time we had a defense this bad.

We still haven’t recorded a single sack in six quarters of play.

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 08:37 PM
The scary team is the Packers have faced 2 teams with nothing at WR, and still can't stop them.

Fosco33
09-20-2021, 08:37 PM
Jared Goff 1st half vs. Packers:
13-16
137 Yards
2 TDs
141.9 passer rating

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 08:40 PM
We’ve had bad defenses before (cue 2011…anything during the Lynn Dickey era), but I’ve never seen one this bad for a game and a half to start the season. There’s nowhere to go but up.

texaspackerbacker
09-20-2021, 08:41 PM
King is total garbage - one fairly good play where he still almost got beat doesn't change that.

This defense in general is pretty much crap. And our O Line is letting the Lions get a good pass rush with just 3 or 4 guys. The Packers can't come close without blitzing, and even then they haven't been getting to Goff most of the time. And why the hell so much of Tyler Lancaster? Get the big rookie in there.

Who does the hiring of coordinators? LaFleur? Barry should not have been picked, and Drayton hasn't been much on special Teams either.

You guys who want more Dillon, can you seriously not see the difference between him slogging a couple of yards and Jones getting something out of very little and always being a threat to break it? We should beat this team from eastern Michigan, but that really doesn't prove much. Our D has to get fixed.

Anti-Polar Bear
09-20-2021, 08:42 PM
King is total garbage - one fairly good play where he still almost got beat doesn't change that.

This defense in general is pretty much crap. And our O Line is letting the Lions get a good pass rush with just 3 or 4 guys. The Packers can't come close without blitzing, and even then they haven't been getting to Goff most of the time. And why the hell so much of Tyler Lancaster? Get the big rookie in there.

Who does the hiring of coordinators? LaFleur? Barry should not have been picked, and Drayton hasn't been much on special Teams either.

You guys who want more Dillon, can you seriously not see the difference between him slogging a couple of yards and Jones getting something out of very little and always being a threat to break it? We should beat this team from eastern Michigan, but that really doesn't prove much. Our D has to get fixed.

Word

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 08:43 PM
Sooner or later, after Capers, Pettine, and now Barry, you have to face the fact that the players out there are really not that good.

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 08:44 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_xcX0HXIAYGpvG?format=jpg&name=small

Fosco33
09-20-2021, 08:47 PM
3.3 sec on avg for Goff. Each level of the D is bad - but a bad DL does make it hard on 2ndry.

scharpcheddar
09-20-2021, 08:48 PM
Favre is on the Manning's

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 08:48 PM
I think Hill went the wrong way. His blockers were surprised and held.

Freak Out
09-20-2021, 08:49 PM
The only way the Lion offense gets slowed down is if they make mistakes. Packer D is bend, bend more then break.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 08:49 PM
Coverage sack.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 08:51 PM
Beautiful throw. Great pattern.

Guiness
09-20-2021, 08:52 PM
I was sad until that catch

call_me_ishmael
09-20-2021, 08:52 PM
Joe Fricking Berry, 2x coordinator of leagues worst defense. Terrible hire presently, hopefully they can get it popping.

I don’t know if I’ve ever see a more perfect throw than Rodgers just through. Adam’s didn’t even slow down, it just hit him perfectly in stride.

Harlan Huckleby
09-20-2021, 08:54 PM
You guys who want more Dillon, can you seriously not see the difference between him slogging a couple of yards and Jones getting something out of very little and always being a threat to break it?
You need some thunder with the lightening. I like the formations with both backs

Teamcheez1
09-20-2021, 08:54 PM
Throw the damn ball

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 08:55 PM
Another beautiful pass.

Harlan Huckleby
09-20-2021, 08:55 PM
the track meet is on

red
09-20-2021, 08:56 PM
sounded better. need the defense to show up though

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 08:57 PM
Pressure. Somehow. Someway.

MadScientist
09-20-2021, 08:57 PM
Two fantastic throws in that drive. Maybe the clouds can open up to slow Detroit down. The defense sure wont.

Bossman641
09-20-2021, 08:58 PM
Beautiful pass and catch..... He had lazard wide open running a shallow route across the middle at about 1/10 the difficulty of that pass

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 08:59 PM
Two fantastic throws in that drive. Maybe the clouds can open up to slow Detroit down. The defense sure wont.

The bad stuff is a ways off. Lots of lightning when it came through Wausau though.

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 08:59 PM
WTF was that?

Harlan Huckleby
09-20-2021, 09:00 PM
Geoff runs like an OT

Bossman641
09-20-2021, 09:00 PM
A fuckin QB keeper with Goff..... Good god

pittstang5
09-20-2021, 09:01 PM
This defense couldn't stop an old lady in a wheel chair

scharpcheddar
09-20-2021, 09:01 PM
You happy now??

pittstang5
09-20-2021, 09:03 PM
Welp - that was our only chance for an INT and it wasn't that good of a chance.

MadScientist
09-20-2021, 09:03 PM
If Barry can't be fired, can someone give home covid so he has to stay away from the team to a while?

scharpcheddar
09-20-2021, 09:03 PM
Favre still on Manning's

Guiness
09-20-2021, 09:03 PM
sounded better. need the defense to show up though

you need to yell that louder, they obviously didn't hear you

pittstang5
09-20-2021, 09:05 PM
I'd go for it too against this shit defense

pittstang5
09-20-2021, 09:06 PM
Wow! An actual stop! Who da thunk it

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 09:06 PM
Interesting Lions on throwing it in short yardage situations.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 09:06 PM
They run it and 10 out of 10 times they make it.

MadScientist
09-20-2021, 09:07 PM
Was that actually a stop I saw?

Harlan Huckleby
09-20-2021, 09:09 PM
he stopped running

pittstang5
09-20-2021, 09:09 PM
Was that actually a stop I saw?

Yep, but the offense will now piss it away

scharpcheddar
09-20-2021, 09:13 PM
Happy now??

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 09:13 PM
Might have been the worst interference I’ve ever seen.

call_me_ishmael
09-20-2021, 09:13 PM
Why don’t they give the ball to Thighland?

Guiness
09-20-2021, 09:14 PM
He tackled Tonyon!

Teamcheez1
09-20-2021, 09:14 PM
Bad throw by Rodgers. Other people were open.

pittstang5
09-20-2021, 09:14 PM
stupid throw

pittstang5
09-20-2021, 09:15 PM
Keep feeding Cobb

pittstang5
09-20-2021, 09:17 PM
Fuck - another holding call

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 09:20 PM
3 TDs for Jones.

MadScientist
09-20-2021, 09:20 PM
That was a well designed play for the score. Need to see more like that.

Teamcheez1
09-20-2021, 09:20 PM
MLF seems to have found his groove with the offense and Rodgers tonight.

red
09-20-2021, 09:21 PM
sounds much better on offense

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 09:22 PM
Our defense has to go back out there.

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 09:23 PM
sounds much better on offense

Yep. They got it going now. Now maybe the defense...

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 09:24 PM
The rain is our best defender.

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 09:26 PM
Yep. They got it going now. Now maybe the defense...

Yeah. That's what I meant.

smuggler
09-20-2021, 09:27 PM
The rain is our best defender.

Bwahahahah it's damn true.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 09:27 PM
Is this the first quarter this year that we haven’t given up points?

Anti-Polar Bear
09-20-2021, 09:27 PM
3 TDs for Jones.

One more for an Al Bundy.

scharpcheddar
09-20-2021, 09:27 PM
It's opened up now.
Just like 42-20 the last time

scharpcheddar
09-20-2021, 09:29 PM
Ooooohhhhh it's raining

Harlan Huckleby
09-20-2021, 09:31 PM
looked like cheap call

MadScientist
09-20-2021, 09:31 PM
How did the Packers get the ball back? Cable went to weather warnings.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 09:31 PM
4TDs for Jones.

Anti-Polar Bear
09-20-2021, 09:31 PM
One more for an Al Bundy.

There it is.

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 09:32 PM
How did the Packers get the ball back? Cable went to weather warnings.

Goff fumbled snap.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 09:33 PM
How did the Packers get the ball back? Cable went to weather warnings.

We didn’t do anything but fall on the ball.

MadScientist
09-20-2021, 09:35 PM
Goff fumbled snap.

Thanks! Knew it couldn't be great defense.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 09:40 PM
Gary with the sack.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 09:41 PM
Lions are not mudders.

MadScientist
09-20-2021, 09:44 PM
Gary with the sack.

With an assist to Hoff for knocking the ball out of his own hands

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 09:49 PM
With an assist to Hoff for knocking the ball out of his own hands

That's what the Lions are supposed to do.

scharpcheddar
09-20-2021, 09:50 PM
Happy now??

Teamcheez1
09-20-2021, 09:53 PM
Sack on Rodgers

smuggler
09-20-2021, 09:54 PM
Sack on Rodgers

Four rushers. Three converge on ARod...

MadScientist
09-20-2021, 09:55 PM
Happy now??

More relieved than happy. Rodgers is looking infinitely better than last week, but the oline is still iffy and the defense is not good established the Packers don't have a big lead.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 09:55 PM
Gary almost got him.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 09:56 PM
1st isn’t of the year.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 09:56 PM
Interception

Teamcheez1
09-20-2021, 09:56 PM
Blake Martinez would have never made that play.

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 09:58 PM
Time to start the wave.

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 10:00 PM
Nice punt.

MadScientist
09-20-2021, 10:03 PM
I'd say get out of the prevent defense, but it could be regular. Hard to tell the difference.

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 10:08 PM
Stokes!

call_me_ishmael
09-20-2021, 10:09 PM
Gary almost got him.

Haha story of his life. Man this guy has disappointed me tonight.

call_me_ishmael
09-20-2021, 10:09 PM
Sticky Sam Stokes.

beveaux1
09-20-2021, 10:09 PM
Love with his 2nd game in a row.

Guiness
09-20-2021, 10:11 PM
saw a lot of Stokes tonight, all in a good way

smuggler
09-20-2021, 10:11 PM
Stokes kinda beaten, made up for it with his long ass arms.

scharpcheddar
09-20-2021, 10:11 PM
https://youtu.be/Ev1sE_fo7lc

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 10:12 PM
Love with his 2nd game in a row.

Looked a little like Boyle out there.

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 10:13 PM
Stokes kinda beaten, made up for it with his long ass arms.

That was a nice play. Didn't panic.

Joemailman
09-20-2021, 10:26 PM
More Banjo thread posted.

MadtownPacker
09-21-2021, 01:18 AM
Please remove my profile from this site. I have tried to make comments an NONE are posted. Worst site I have every seen.You’re right it is the worst. Wait until you meet the fellas.

You ate activated now. My apologies for the delay.

KYPack
09-21-2021, 11:03 AM
You’re right it is the worst. Wait until you meet the fellas.

You ate activated now. My apologies for the delay.

No way. He knew when he signed on, it was for life, like the French Foreign legion.

George Cumby
09-21-2021, 01:45 PM
You’re right it is the worst. Wait until you meet the fellas.

You ate activated now. My apologies for the delay.

It says a lot about the guy that he actually signed up for the site.

MadtownPacker
09-21-2021, 02:23 PM
No way. He knew when he signed on, it was for life, like the French Foreign legion.Isnt Packer backing for life too?

MadtownPacker
09-21-2021, 02:24 PM
It says a lot about the guy that he actually signed up for the site.
definitely the kamikaze type. :lol:

KYPack
09-21-2021, 02:26 PM
Isnt Packer backing for life too?

Fucking A Skippy.

You just back from Del Rio?

MadtownPacker
09-21-2021, 02:28 PM
Del Rio is a country club around Modesto area. If I was there I was mowing the lawn.

KYPack
09-21-2021, 02:30 PM
I seen a guy that looked just like you on Fox News. He was wading the big River ankle deep.

texaspackerbacker
09-21-2021, 02:42 PM
Del Rio is a country club around Modesto area. If I was there I was mowing the lawn.

I think he means the Del Rio on the Texas side of the river from Ciudad Acuna - a place I made a couple of trips too in the distant past.

MadtownPacker
09-21-2021, 02:44 PM
Sounds like I would fit in better there than the one by me. :lol:

texaspackerbacker
09-21-2021, 02:46 PM
I might have been your father - or grandfather. I'm talking nearly 50 years ago. :-)

KYPack
09-21-2021, 02:58 PM
I think he means the Del Rio on the Texas side of the river from Ciudad Acuna - a place I made a couple of trips too in the distant past.

I figured Nuevo Laredo would be more your speed.