More Banjo- Packers vs. Seahawks.

[Joemailman]

First Packers shutout since 2018.

Dillon 128 total yards, 2 TD.

Jones 61 receiving yards.

Amos 1 INT and 3 PD's.

Might be a costly victory though.

[MadtownPacker]

The cost of victory is never too much. Especially against seattle.

[scharpcheddar]

In NFL history ,57 games have ended 17-0. 58 now.
As of today
4 games have ended in A 16-16 tie

[red]

this type of offense isn't gonna take us far in the playoffs

rodgers better figure out how to complete a pass over the LOS

a gameplan built around dillon pounding the ball and a shit ton of screens just isn't gonna cut it

with that said, the defense IS playing like a super bowl unit right now

[Upnorth]

Can we acknowledge dillion was a great pick?
I hope we aren't about to find out how important though. I want him to get more snaps but I like having him and Jones

[Joemailman]

Reports about Jones is MCL sprain.

[Bretsky]

Can we acknowledge dillion was a great pick?
I hope we aren't about to find out how important though. I want him to get more snaps but I like having him and Jones

GB Brandon or GMBrandon.....dude was pretty loud and over the top and all....but he pounded the table for AJ Dillon before that draft

I kinda miss that guy

[Upnorth]

GB Brandon or GMBrandon.....dude was pretty loud and over the top and all....but he pounded the table for AJ Dillon before that draft

I kinda miss that guy

When we first drafted love then dilkion the deg I was pissed about 24 hrs. Then i saw what hey we're trying for. It might be our best draft ever if live if borderline great

[RashanGary]

Dillon has been out playing Jones. We might be better in the short term. But NFL seasons are hard on running backs. Having both kept them both fresh.

If Dillon stays healthy we won’t miss Jones that much.

[RashanGary]

I thought Kevin King had a good game. Stokes too.

Getting Jaire back will still be huge. If King and Stokes are still playing well, maybe we’d see more of Jaire in the slot.

[RashanGary]

Newman still wiffed a time or two. Bakhtiari back will still be a nice addition.

[RashanGary]

Now the Zadarius time table looks more pressing. Gary was holding it down but now we’re gonna need Z to come back if we really want to make a push

[Upnorth]

Any update on Gary injury?

[red]

Can we acknowledge dillion was a great pick?
I hope we aren't about to find out how important though. I want him to get more snaps but I like having him and Jones

didn't he fumble a couple times and get benched just a few weeks ago?

[George Cumby]

Now the Zadarius time table looks more pressing. Gary was holding it down but now we’re gonna need Z to come back if we really want to make a push

Gary, minus the injury, is out-playing Z.

He's far more disciplined and is constantly near the QB, ball carrier.

Z washes himself out of plays consistently.

[George Cumby]

This was, like the AZ game, a REALLY satisfying win.

[beveaux1]

If I had to pick between having a great defense and having a great offense, I think I’d choose defense.

With a great offense, you’re always one bad game away from a blowout elimination.

With a great defense, you’re always in the game.

It’s been fun having a great defense, even if it’s only been for the last 3 or 4 games.

[Sparkey]

Any update on Gary injury?


Tom Pelissero

@TomPelissero

#Packers LB Rashan Gary will have an MRI Monday on his hyperextended elbow, but initial indications are there’s no break or ligament damage, source said. Some early optimism for an emerging player.

8:55 PM · Nov 14, 2021

[George Cumby]

Huge sigh of relief.

[George Cumby]

Dillon has been out playing Jones.


Agreed.

[George Cumby]

I thought Kevin King had a good game. Stokes too.
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Agreed, again.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Gary, minus the injury, is out-playing Z.

He's far more disciplined and is constantly near the QB, ball carrier.

Z washes himself out of plays consistently.

Agreed. Gary is playing better than the 2020 Big Z. Not as good as the 2019 Big Z.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Dillon has been out playing Jones. We might be better in the short term. But NFL seasons are hard on running backs. Having both kept them both fresh.

If Dillon stays healthy we won’t miss Jones that much.

I wouldn't say outplaying. Stats are comparable. Jones is so top notch in pass protection. We are going to lose something. When Dillon's not in the game, there's a big drop off to Patrick Taylor.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Stokes is so good for a rookie CB. He's like a fly strip. The two safeties are playing really well also. King has put together back-to-back good games.

[George Cumby]

Forever there were problems at the back end, communication or what ever.

Those problems are gone in the secondary. Players know what their job and assignments are.

Granted the pass rush is helping things but they are really playing well.

Another thing: these DB's TACKLE. They don't allow much for YAC.

[texaspackerbacker]

It seems to be an MCL for Aaron Jones - not terrible news, usually a few weeks. Great if we can get him back for the playoffs.

[smuggler]

Holy shit that's great news tex. Not only for 2021, but 2022 also!

[Sparkey]

MCL's are 6 week recovery times.

[hoosier]

Depends on severity of sprain. Jennings had one in 2011 and missed, what, three games. Granted, he wasn't quite the same when he returned in the NFCCG. Oh wait, never mind.

[HarveyWallbangers]

MCL's are 6 week recovery times.

Articles I’ve read said Jones has had sprained MCL twice and missed 2 games one time and 3 games the other.

[Joemailman]

PFF College Football
@PFF_College

Eric Stokes Jr vs the Seahawks today
�� 47 Coverage Snaps
�� 4 Targets
�� 0 Receptions
�� 0 Yards

Stokes not getting much press nationally. Understandably, he's being overshadowed by what Diggs and Parsons are doing in Dallas as rookies. But really he's probably been better than Alexander was as a rookie.

Edit: Diggs not a rookie. 2nd year guy.

[call_me_ishmael]

It sounds like Stokes is going to be a stud. How the heck was a player like that available at the bottom of R1?

[Joemailman]

It sounds like Stokes is going to be a stud. How the heck was a player like that available at the bottom of R1?

One knock on him was he tended to get grabby at top of routes. He's probably fortunate to have Jerry Gray as his position coach.

[Bretsky]

It sounds like Stokes is going to be a stud. How the heck was a player like that available at the bottom of R1?


He was considered to be really raw; great top line speed but I think a lot of scouting reports noted he didn't have good ball skills in coverage. But he looks good to me as well

[Joemailman]

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter

MRI revealed that Packers’ RB Aaron Jones has “a mild” MCL sprain and he is expected to be out 1-2 weeks, per source.

:glug::pack::five:

[HarveyWallbangers]

He was considered to be really raw;

I don't think that was an issue. Dude had three years of experience going up against NFL talent in the SEC (two years starting). Ball skills were, and still are, questionable. The people that liked him saw his stickiness. Some downgraded him for being grabby, but I didn't see that as a huge problem. The guy on the other side of him, Tyson Campbell, definitely was overly grabby.

[call_me_ishmael]

I don't think that was an issue. Dude had three years of experience going up against NFL talent in the SEC (two years starting). Ball skills were, and still are, questionable. The people that liked him saw his stickiness. Some downgraded him for being grabby, but I didn't see that as a huge problem. The guy on the other side of him, Tyson Campbell, definitely was overly grabby.

Am I wrong or is he _very_ good right now? Like maybe not Jaire good, but like a legit number 1 that you're comfortable with?

[Sparkey]

:glug::pack::five:

Awesome news indeed!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Am I wrong or is he _very_ good right now? Like maybe not Jaire good, but like a legit number 1 that you're comfortable with?

I think he's a really good #2 already. I'm not ready to give him legit #1 yet.

[King Friday]

:glug::pack::five:

Let him rest all the way through the bye... Should be ready to go come Dec.

[Joemailman]

Bill Huber
@BillHuberSI

No "major damage" on Gary's elbow, source says. As Schefter just reported, he'll try to play with a brace.



Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter

Packers’ OLB Rashan Gary plans to brace his hyperextended elbow to see if he can try to play Sunday vs. the Vikings, per source. But Gary also has an MRI on his elbow scheduled for Tuesday to see if anything gets in the way of his plans.

Another guy who hopefully will be ready to go after the bye.

[beveaux1]

Another guy who hopefully will be ready to go after the bye.

If I had to pick between Jones and Gary, although both are indispensable players, I'd rather have Gary playing sooner.

Without him, we only have P. Smith and Clark as pass rushers.

[texaspackerbacker]

I've got a rules question for Joe or anybody else who might know. I thought a difference between college and pro was that linemen were allowed downfield on a pass behind the line in college but not in the NFL. Yet several times on those quick screens we ran, we had linemen a few yards downfield ahead of the receiver and nothing was called. Is that legal or not?

[red]

Another guy who hopefully will be ready to go after the bye.

Guy gets points in my book. He's gonna tape it up and rub some dirt on it and try and go play.

You don't see that too much anymore

[texaspackerbacker]

Stokes not getting much press nationally. Understandably, he's being overshadowed by what Diggs and Parsons are doing in Dallas as rookies. But really he's probably been better than Alexander was as a rookie.

Edit: Diggs not a rookie. 2nd year guy.

I've become less impressed with Diggs because it seems like part of his success is gambling too much in coverage.

As good as Stokes is doing, he should have plenty of upside to with that speed. Grabbiness seems to be coached on some teams college and pro. Good that he has seemingly gotten over it.

[Joemailman]

I've got a rules question for Joe or anybody else who might know. I thought a difference between college and pro was that linemen were allowed downfield on a pass behind the line in college but not in the NFL. Yet several times on those quick screens we ran, we had linemen a few yards downfield ahead of the receiver and nothing was called. Is that legal or not?

Linemen cannot be more than 1 yard downfield when the ball is thrown. I don't think it matters where they are in relation to the receiver.

[texaspackerbacker]

Check out the game if you get the chance. It seemed like at least Runyon and maybe others were maybe 4 or 5 yards downfield on those quick screens to Jones.

[QBME]

Linemen cannot be more than 1 yard downfield when the ball is thrown. I don't think it matters where they are in relation to the receiver.

Correct. Also in college they are allowed 5 yards past the LOS.

[bobblehead]

Now the Zadarius time table looks more pressing. Gary was holding it down but now we’re gonna need Z to come back if we really want to make a push

I'm ready to declare Mike Smith the greatest OLB coach ever. Not just for the job he has done with Gary, but look at the guys he developed in KC. They weren't top picks either, but every one of those guys became really good at pressuring the passer and Gary has done the one thing I doubted he could. He can honor the run and still get to the QB.

Also time to just stop the Gutes hate and acknowledge something I said after the AZ win. Gutes/MiLF/Arod is a three headed monster that simply wins football games, injuries be damned. Hell, they damn near over came losing Rodgers IN KC.

I really hope we can have a mostly healthy roster by playoff time. They are beating quality opponents without as many as 4 all pros at a time.

[bobblehead]

Stokes is so good for a rookie CB. He's like a fly strip. The two safeties are playing really well also. King has put together back-to-back good games.

I think King is up to 3 good games in a row. And the eraser move by Savage was elite. I can't really find a single fault in this defense right now even though I still question the DL depth. but ffs when the Cardinal Castoffs are playing the way they are, the sky is the limit....and its a testament to great coaching.

[bobblehead]

Stokes not getting much press nationally. Understandably, he's being overshadowed by what Diggs and Parsons are doing in Dallas as rookies. But really he's probably been better than Alexander was as a rookie.

Edit: Diggs not a rookie. 2nd year guy.

The reason I, and several others, were high on stokes was the competition he handled in college. When I saw the numbers he put up vs. Jeudy, Smith, Chase and others in the SEC I was sold. You shut down one elite prospect with luck....you face Georgia and Alabama and LSU and hold your own week in and week out, then run a sub 4.4? Well, I gotta believe there is something there.

[bobblehead]

I think he's a really good #2 already. I'm not ready to give him legit #1 yet.

Cuz that is reserved for Kevin King the last 3 stellar defensive perfomances??

[George Cumby]

I'm ready to declare Mike Smith the greatest OLB coach ever. Not just for the job he has done with Gary, but look at the guys he developed in KC. They weren't top picks either, but every one of those guys became really good at pressuring the passer and Gary has done the one thing I doubted he could. He can honor the run and still get to the QB.



Not only Gary, but Garvin is also playing at a serviceable level. He lacks Gary's speed, burst and power, but he gets some push nor does he get washed out of plays.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The reason I, and several others, were high on stokes was the competition he handled in college. When I saw the numbers he put up vs. Jeudy, Smith, Chase and others in the SEC I was sold. You shut down one elite prospect with luck....you face Georgia and Alabama and LSU and hold your own week in and week out, then run a sub 4.4? Well, I gotta believe there is something there.

He played for Georgia. :)

[run pMc]

The reason I, and several others, were high on stokes was the competition he handled in college. When I saw the numbers he put up vs. Jeudy, Smith, Chase and others in the SEC I was sold. You shut down one elite prospect with luck....you face Georgia and Alabama and LSU and hold your own week in and week out, then run a sub 4.4? Well, I gotta believe there is something there.

I was hopeful he'd take to coaching and continue to develop into a contributor by mid-season. He's exceeded my expectations this year. The grabbiness was a concern -- some CBs panic and get grabby -- but by all accounts he's been a hard worker and fast learner. The mentality he has to go with his talent makes his future bright. All that said, he's NOT a legit #1 yet. If you had a Lions-y defense maybe you have him as your #1, but I'd say he's a decent #2 right now with more room to improve. Jaire and he could form a lockdown secondary.

[RashanGary]

Next years secondary is going to be special. Amos is still in his prime. Savage is entering his prime. Jaire is in his prime. And stokes will be in his second year. Whoever plays nickel will be with a really good group. Maybe Shemar plays his way into that spot next year. Regardless, the top 4 should be an elite group.

[Sparkey]

Next years secondary is going to be special. Amos is still in his prime. Savage is entering his prime. Jaire is in his prime. And stokes will be in his second year. Whoever plays nickel will be with a really good group. Maybe Shemar plays his way into that spot next year. Regardless, the top 4 should be an elite group.

Damnit RG, your Jinxing everything!

[Guiness]

One knock on him was he tended to get grabby at top of routes. He's probably fortunate to have Jerry Gray as his position coach.

Did he make him wear boxing gloves? I remember another rookie CB who had that problem, seems to be working out better this time!
https://www.tcdb.com/Images/Cards/Football/39065/39065-3881826Fr.jpg

[Joemailman]

Here's a shocker: Pete Carroll complaining about the refs after a loss. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32638605/pete-carroll-officials-played-huge-part-seattle-seahawks-loss-green-bay-packers

[George Cumby]

Here's a shocker: Pete Carroll complaining about the refs after a loss. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32638605/pete-carroll-officials-played-huge-part-seattle-seahawks-loss-green-bay-packers

Hahahahahahaha.

The lack of insight is, well, actually, not surprising at all.

[run pMc]

Here's a shocker: Pete Carroll complaining about the refs after a loss. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32638605/pete-carroll-officials-played-huge-part-seattle-seahawks-loss-green-bay-packers

"The three plays that Carroll discussed in detail were Russell Wilson's first-quarter scramble, Aaron Rodgers' second-quarter fumble and Kevin King's interception of Wilson in the third quarter."

The spot on the scramble was iffy, but they could have gone for it on 4th and a foot. With the Rodgers fumble, apparently the tie goes to the offensive player, and I thought the King pick was dropped. Those calls could have gone either way, but I don't think they would have swung the game in their favor at all. Pete's just being Pete. There have been games this year where the referees have been much worse IMO, and honestly a few calls went SEA's way as well.

Maybe he should consider coaching his players to not get DQ'd or throw shoes down the field.

[Joemailman]

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter

Packers’ LB Whitney Mercilus, who brought added pass rush to Green Bay since the team signed him this season, tore his biceps Sunday and will miss the rest of this season, per source.

[George Cumby]

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter

Packers’ LB Whitney Mercilus, who brought added pass rush to Green Bay since the team signed him this season, tore his biceps Sunday and will miss the rest of this season, per source.

That's super unfortunate.

Hope he heals up ok.

[texaspackerbacker]

Pete Carroll may be a total piece of shit, but he has a case on at least part of what he is claiming.

The Wilson scramble: the explanation there is that he is down where he gives himself up - similar to Heinicke at the goal line.

The fumble: all I can say is Karma for the Fail Mary. Objectively speaking, it was shaky to say simultaneous possession.

The interception: sorry to say, it didn't look like King kept possession when he hit the ground.

Shit happens. Heaven knows it's happened to the Packers enough over the years. In this game, things kinda went our way.

[pittstang5]

Just saw on bottom line on ESPN that Jones has a sprained MCL - out 1-2 weeks.

The out to 1-2 weeks has me surprised. Usually MCL sprains are 6 weeks, sometimes a little less. I'm no doctor - are they're different degrees of MCL Sprains? If 1-2 weeks is true, dodged a huge bullet there.

[Upnorth]

Just saw on bottom line on ESPN that Jones has a sprained MCL - out 1-2 weeks.

The out to 1-2 weeks has me surprised. Usually MCL sprains are 6 weeks, sometimes a little less. I'm no doctor - are they're different degrees of MCL Sprains? If 1-2 weeks is true, dodged a huge bullet there.

This is his 3rd. First time he missed a game, second he missed 3. That is getting to be a chronic condition. I dont like that....

[Fosco33]

Pete Carroll may be a total piece of shit, but he has a case on at least part of what he is claiming.

The Wilson scramble: the explanation there is that he is down where he gives himself up - similar to Heinicke at the goal line.

The fumble: all I can say is Karma for the Fail Mary. Objectively speaking, it was shaky to say simultaneous possession.

The interception: sorry to say, it didn't look like King kept possession when he hit the ground.

Shit happens. Heaven knows it's happened to the Packers enough over the years. In this game, things kinda went our way.

Replay of 1st one showed the call was correct

Rodgers did fall on the ball - tie to offense… hahaha

King - if an INT happens in endzone and he made a few steps - does anything else matter? Like if he was on offense and caught it, took a football move and then was hit?

[RashanGary]

Replay of 1st one showed the call was correct

Rodgers did fall on the ball - tie to offense… hahaha

King - if an INT happens in endzone and he made a few steps - does anything else matter? Like if he was on offense and caught it, took a football move and then was hit?

They were weird close calls that could have went either way. Bad luck for Seahawks.

[MadScientist]

Replay of 1st one showed the call was correct

Rodgers did fall on the ball - tie to offense… hahaha

King - if an INT happens in endzone and he made a few steps - does anything else matter? Like if he was on offense and caught it, took a football move and then was hit?
More to the point, King controlled the ball and went to the ground. He didn't lose control until the receiver swiped at him when he was already on the ground. So it was a clear pick. They reviewed it and quickly agreed it was a pick. Carrol can whine (hey, do what you are best at), but it was a pick.

[Joemailman]

Nice attempt by Carroll to distract people from the fact his team is an undisciplined mess.

[smuggler]

The interception: sorry to say, it didn't look like King kept possession when he hit the ground.


In this case, he is not required to. Rules in the end zone are different. He only has to get two feet down with possession and make any sort of move. At that point, the best the Seahawks can get out of is a fumble, which is what the Seahawks receiver was trying to accomplish by stripping King.

[George Cumby]

Fuck Pete Carroll with the three-pronged dick of Satan.

I mean, seriously.

Fuck that guy.

[The Shadow]

This game made me once again happy we drafted Jenkins over Metcalf.