MVP Watch

[Joemailman]

Rodgers is in contention for his 4th. Some contenders:

Aaron Rodgers: 2878 passing yards, 23 TD, 4 INT, 3 rushing TD, Passer rating 105.5

Tom Brady: 3403 passing yards, 30 TD, 9 INT, Passer rating 103.1

Matt Stafford: 3316 passing yards, 27 TD, 9 INT, Passer rating 105.2

Kirk Cousins: 3013 passing yards, 23 TD, 3 INT, 105.3 passer rating

Jonathan Taylor: 1205 rushing yards, 14 TD, 336 receiving yards, 2 TD

Joe Mixon: 924 rushing yards, 11 TD, 192 receiving yards, 2 TD

Cooper Kupp: 1237 receiving yards, 10 TD

Myles Garrett: 14 sacks, 43 pressures

[MadScientist]

Good list. All are having really good seasons, but none are really standing out from the pack. Might be a year for a non-qb.

[RashanGary]

Rodgers sits at 435 passing touchdowns and looks to pass Brett Favre as the Packers all time leader (442) in the next couple weeks.

[RashanGary]

Rodgers would need 30 touchdowns a year for six more years (age 44) to catch Brady at 611. But Brady is still going up. He could finish over 650 touchdowns if he just plays this year and next year at a high level

[HarveyWallbangers]

Kirk Cousins? :) His team is 5-6. He has no shot at MVP. MVP of lining up over the OG.

[Brando19]

Hey fellas!! Miss me?!

[texaspackerbacker]

Where the stats are that close, the player who leads his team to the Super Bowl and wins should get it. Hopefully that is Rodgers. I'd hate it if that's Brady, but fair is fair. If none of the above, well, whoever goes the farthest among the obvious choices.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Where the stats are that close, the player who leads his team to the Super Bowl and wins should get it. Hopefully that is Rodgers. I'd hate it if that's Brady, but fair is fair. If none of the above, well, whoever goes the farthest among the obvious choices.

The media determines the NFL MVP and the no-nothing scribes usually cast their votes in the week after the regular season ends. Therefore, the Super Bowl doesn’t determine the NFL MVP, which is not the same as the Super Bowl MVP.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Kirk Cousins? :) His team is 5-6. He has no shot at MVP. MVP of lining up over the OG.

How do you know that wasn’t the play design? You know, line up over the guard, act confused, then direct snap to the tailback.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Hey fellas!! Miss me?!

Welcome back, old friend.

[Brando19]

How are you?? I used to be so active here. Then I had kids and just stopped. Life happens I guess.

I believe Rodgers has a very good shot at winning the mvp this season. Hopefully he finishes this thing and brings the trophy home.

[Joemailman]

Packers next 4 games will be high profile games. 2 Sunday night games, a late Sunday afternoon game, and a late afternoon Christmas Day game. If Rodgers plays really well in those games, he would improve his chances. Only the last game of the year against the Lions will have a small television audience.

[George Cumby]

Hey fellas!! Miss me?!

Yes!

Welcome Back!

[Tony Oday]

Brady or AR

[smuggler]

Welcome back, mountain man!

[Brando19]

Thanks, fellas!!

[call_me_ishmael]

Alright, so, who's the MVP? I genuinely have no idea. Probably Brady or Rodgers depending on end of season record.

[Joemailman]

Alright, so, who's the MVP? I genuinely have no idea. Probably Brady or Rodgers depending on end of season record.That's the way it looks. Early on, it looked like Kyler Murray, but he slowed a bit and then missed 3 games. Guys like Justin Herbert, Josh Allen and Mahomes would be right up there if not for double-digit interceptions.

[Joemailman]

As of November 30


Who Is Favored In NFL MVP Odds?
2021 NFL MVP Odds
Player Odds
Tom Brady +250
Josh Allen +450
Aaron Rodgers +600
Patrick Mahomes +900
Kyler Murray +1000
Dak Prescott +1400
Matthew Stafford +1400
Lamar Jackson +1500
Jonathan Taylor +1800
Justin Herbert +1800
Derek Carr +5000
Kirk Cousins +5000
Joe Burrow +5500
Cooper Kupp +7500
Mac Jones +10000
Ryan Tannehill +10000
Jalen Hurts +15000
Aaron Donald +20000
Carson Wentz +20000
Deebo Samuel +20000
Jimmy Garoppolo +20000
Matt Ryan +20000
Myles Garrett +20000
Travis Kelce +20000

[RashanGary]

Rodgers will have to finish really strong to win it. With the OL the way it is, I just don’t expect a 2020 type finish.

Plus Rodgers is up a game on most of those guys. The numbers will separate even further after the bye.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Nobody is running away with it (none of the QBs are matching the best numbers put up in recent years), so don’t sleep on ya’lls guy Jonathan Taylor. Dude is nearly on pace to match Derrick Henry’s total yards from last year, and he already has 16 TDs. Henry had 17 TDs last year. Brady, Herbert, Allen, and Mahomes already have 9-11 interceptions on the year. Taylor has an outside chance, but only if the Colts run off like 4 wins in their last 5 games.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Colts have three games where they’ll be favored. They need to win those and then beat either New England at home or at Arizona.

[Joemailman]

Big game for Taylor today. 143 yards and 2 TD's. That puts him at about 1350 yards and 16 TD's with 4 games to go. If he can get close to 2000 and maybe 20 TD's, he'll have a chance. Brady had 4 TD passes today. That puts him at 34 with 5 games to go.

[smuggler]

Brady is the most strange QB because he's playing kind of below average when his receivers aren't wide open, but he has all these great numbers. I think he might even be a bottom-10 starter, but he's leading the league in TD passes. Certainly not passing the eye test, but threw 4 TDs today, so I feel like he's definitely in the driver seat. If he wins, he would be the worst player to win an MVP in recent memory.

[call_me_ishmael]

Brady is not a below average quarterback in any facet - Brady is the greatest QB in NFL history.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Big game for Taylor today. 143 yards and 2 TD's. That puts him at about 1350 yards and 16 TD's with 4 games to go. If he can get close to 2000 and maybe 20 TD's, he'll have a chance. Brady had 4 TD passes today. That puts him at 34 with 5 games to go.

Add the 2 receiving TDs and he’s up to 18 + around 340 yards receiving.

[Fritz]

Brady is smart - he has put himself in a situation in which he's got great talent surrounding him (thanks to his taking a lower-than-you'd-think contract), and they make him look good. Opposite of what Tex thinks Rodgers does.

[texaspackerbacker]

Oh, I wouldn't say opposite, Brady just does it to a greater degree. Rodgers probably could get more money if he really tried, too. He's just not taking as much of a discounted amount as Brady probably is. And Rodgers is obviously with a good team too, just not a matter of switching to a hand-picked some would say stacked team like Brady. The bottom line is, Rodgers clearly is the better player of the two/the GOAT. Rodgers is good enough to make everybody else on the offense, probably everybody on the team better. Brady may do that to some extent too, but not nearly as much in his best years and less now.

[Fritz]

I'll never forget that time about seven or eight years ago, when one of the GB writers, McGinn, I think, wrote an article about how the Packers were finally, finally talented enough to win if Rodgers got hurt and had to be out. Then, of course, Rodgers got hurt, and the Packers proceeded to suck. They looked awful.

That was some nasty karma for McGinn.

I do think though that this year's team is actually better than that team was. Against KC, the defense played well enough to keep them in the game, albeit with help from Mahomes's lousy day. Now if only the special teams was even okay . . .

[texaspackerbacker]

The Rodgers Covid game says it all about how good the Packers are without him.

[Joemailman]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FG2irMpUYAUu_dY.jpg

[texaspackerbacker]

Since the start of the 2020 season, Rodgers has a TD to Interception ratio of over 8. Nobody else is higher than Mahomes at 3.something. Brady is also in the 3s.

This sort of thing really shows who is the Greatest. Most Valuable, though, is not automatically the same. In this case, however, Rodgers is clearly both - the Greatest and the Most Valuable.

[Joemailman]

Jonathan Taylor with 170 yards rushing and a TD. Need to average about 160 yards rushing rest of way to coveted 2000 yards. It's hard for a RB to get the recognition he deserves when the NFL's 2 marquee players, Rodgers and Brady, are having MVP-type years.

[smuggler]

I wouldn't mind Rodgers losing it to Taylor. He's having an amazing season.

[RashanGary]

The MVP race just got interesting. If Rodgers finished with 42 and 4, he’s got a coin flip on Brady.

[RashanGary]

The MVP watch really starts now. We have three cupcake defenses coming up and an offense just starting to click. I’d love to see Rodgers win another one. Go AR12

[jmbarnes101]

Brady gets blanked, Rodgers puts up another really good outing and has his team in first, and Jonathon Taylor is just a stud carrying his offense as an RB. I’d go Taylor as of today.

[smuggler]

Brady's chances are pretty hampered if Evans and Godwin miss the last three games. They will be back when it really matters, though.

Rodgers leads Brady in quarterback rating by ten points, 110.4 to 100.4...

[call_me_ishmael]

If they run the table he will win MVP again. Who do they play? Anyone tough? Minnesota again I assume? Did we lose to Minne?

[HarveyWallbangers]

The MVP race just got interesting. If Rodgers finished with 42 and 4, he’s got a coin flip on Brady.

It's probably a coin flip now. If he finishes with those numbers, he'll win it--especially if the Packers get the #1 seed. Brady is at 36-11 in 14 games. Rodgers is at 30-4 in 13 games. Packers are 11-2 with Rodgers. Buccaneers are 10-4 with Brady. Packers have won with massive injuries to their OL, without Adams, without Jones, without Tonyan. Brady got shutout without his weapons, and I think that really hurt him in the eyes of the voters. Rodgers has to overcome his anti-vac stance that most voters will hold against him though.

Taylor is still in the mix, if Brady/Rodgers struggle down the stretch.

[smuggler]

I think this being a Primetime game and being so late in the year definitely hurts Tom.

[texaspackerbacker]

How could ANYBODY vote for lame-assed Brady over Rodgers? I could see how a case could be made for Jonathan Taylor, but no way in hell Brady should get it.

[smuggler]

If the year ended today, Brady would be the lamest MVP since 1983.

[King Friday]

I think Taylor is in the driver's seat...voters may figure this is a good season to reward someone other than a QB. The Colts also will have to fight right through game 17. It is very possible both Rodgers and Brady could see reduced time, or not play at all, in week 18. The Colts aren't likely to win their division until the last week, so Taylor will be balling through the end of the season for sure.

[Bretsky]

SO HAPPY FOR JT; knew the Colts got a game changer there. If the Colts make the playoffs I think he's it. But they have to make the playoffs.

AROD over Brady for sure IMO

[smuggler]

If the Colts win their division, I think it helps JT's chances.

[smuggler]

Pretty good sign that Rodgers won the Pro Bowl starter spot over Brady. If he plays well the last three weeks, it's probably his 4th MVP.

[Fritz]

My, how Rodgers's trade value will skyrocket if he wins the MVP this year!

[texaspackerbacker]

The question is, if a team acquires Rodgers, do they also get his wholly owned subsidiary from Chicago?

[RashanGary]

My, how Rodgers's trade value will skyrocket if he wins the MVP this year!

The wind looks mild on Christmas Day in Green Bay. It should be another good day to throw the ball. I think one more big game with a stinker from Brady will put our guy over the top.

[SudsMcBucky]

Personally, I think Taylor deserves it the way he's carrying that Colts team, but ARod is my #2 for sure.

[Fosco33]

Taylor has 7 other pro bowlers…

[SudsMcBucky]

Taylor has 7 other pro bowlers…

This is kinda interesting.

https://twitter.com/Colts_Law/status/1473422904482226178?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1473422904482226178%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

[smuggler]

One TD from Brady today and 3 picks from Stafford. Rodgers' lead has grown slightly.

[QBME]

The question is, if a team acquires Rodgers, do they also get his wholly owned subsidiary from Chicago?

:-)

[HarveyWallbangers]

One TD from Brady today and 3 picks from Stafford. Rodgers' lead has grown slightly.

I think his lead grew quite a bit this weekend. If the Packers get the #1 seed, I think he’ll win it.

[RashanGary]

I think Rodgers needs to get to 40 TDs and stay at 4 interceptions and he’s got it. Brady has so many more yards and a handful more TD passes too.

[Bretsky]

How I define MVP, I can't fathom Brady getting it over AROD.

Put Jordan Love on Tampa Bay and Green Bay. TB's record is way higher IMO
I could still see Jonathon Taylor as MVP as well

[RashanGary]

How I define MVP, I can't fathom Brady getting it over AROD.

Put Jordan Love on Tampa Bay and Green Bay. TB's record is way higher IMO
I could still see Jonathon Taylor as MVP as well

Generally speaking the MVP goes to the most statistically dominant QB that’s on a division winning team. Brady fits the mold this year as much as Rodgers does. But Rodgers can tip the scale if he gets 40 and 4. Brady is kind of faltering. It’s a long season for a 44 year old QB.

[RashanGary]

Rodgers is poised for a big game against Minnesota. The Vikings have a so/so defense and a really good offense. It could be a high scoring game and a 4 TD performance.

The Detroit game should be another good one.

Rodgers has a really good shot at getting to 40 and 4 and finishing the season on a high note.

Rodgers has a really good shot at his 4th MVP.

[MadtownPacker]

I fukin hate Rodgers.

But hell yes he deserves it and it’s not even close. The toe just adds to the year and breaking Brett’s record Ironman style. He is most valuable by far.

[texaspackerbacker]

Generally speaking the MVP goes to the most statistically dominant QB that’s on a division winning team. Brady fits the mold this year as much as Rodgers does. But Rodgers can tip the scale if he gets 40 and 4. Brady is kind of faltering. It’s a long season for a 44 year old QB.

Except that not throwing interceptions is by far the most important criterion - both for MVP and for winning.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Generally speaking the MVP goes to the most statistically dominant QB that’s on a division winning team. Brady fits the mold this year as much as Rodgers does. But Rodgers can tip the scale if he gets 40 and 4. Brady is kind of faltering. It’s a long season for a 44 year old QB.

The only thing that Brady has Rodgers beat in is TDs, and that is going closer (37 vs 33 in passing TDs and 39 vs 36 in total TDs, and Rodgers missed a game). Rodgers has Brady in passer rating, completion %, yards per attempt (by a lot). Most importantly, Green Bay is 12-2 with Rodgers (facing a tougher schedule) vs 11-4 for Brady and Rodgers has 4 interceptions vs 11 for Brady. 14 to 4 when it comes to turnovers. You could also argue that the Buccaneers have more weapons and a better OL. The only reason Rodgers wouldn’t get it at this point in the season is if there was a backlash against his COVID stance.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Rodgers actually has a much higher TD % at 6.9 (which leads the league). Brady is at 5.9%.

[texaspackerbacker]

What is that a percent of? Total throws, completions, or something else? The most significant indicator IMO is TDs to Picks, and nobody comes close to Rodgers in that.

[Joemailman]

Brady is 432 of 632 for 4580 yards with 37 TD's and 11 INT's. Rodgers is 323 of 475 for 3689 yards with 33 TD's and 4 INT's.

If you take Rodgers' stats and project what they would be with Brady's number of pass attempts it comes out to : 430-632 for 4930 yards with 44 TD passes and 5 INT's.

[bobblehead]

Brady is 432 of 632 for 4580 yards with 37 TD's and 11 INT's. Rodgers is 323 of 475 for 3689 yards with 33 TD's and 4 INT's.

If you take Rodgers' stats and project what they would be with Brady's number of pass attempts it comes out to : 430-632 for 4930 yards with 44 TD passes and 5 INT's.

But one could also argue if you had Rodgers throw the ball another 100x and by extension 100 less running plays he might not look as good.

That said Rodgers should be the favorite right now, but a butt hurt media that is upset he lied to them is the ones doing the voting so....

[HarveyWallbangers]

Brady’s completion % is 66.8 vs 68.0 for Rodgers, so I think your completion numbers might be off.

[HarveyWallbangers]

But one could also argue if you had Rodgers throw the ball another 100x and by extension 100 less running plays he might not look as good.

That said Rodgers should be the favorite right now, but a butt hurt media that is upset he lied to them is the ones doing the voting so....

Coronabros like Peter King. I hope Florio isn’t one of the voters.

[Joemailman]

Brady’s completion % is 66.8 vs 68.0 for Rodgers, so I think your completion numbers might be off.

I mistyped Brady's completion number. Should be 422, not 432.

[smuggler]

Coronabros like Peter King. I hope Florio isn’t one of the voters.

Florio did not vote on the MVP last year.

[smuggler]

Here's a list of voters from 2020:
https://mvpvoting.wordpress.com/ap-voters/

I started vetting their Twitter accounts, but I gave up. I found a lot of pussy shit, social justice dildo squatting, and retarded takes. Gotta think if they can justifiably snub Rodgers, they will.

[Upnorth]

It's a down year for MVP imo. Would love to see tj or Donald get it instead.
Don't get me wrong 12 is fn amazing, but as qb numbers go he is a lower level MVP (or it feels that way anyway).
If ever a d player could earn it I think this would be the year.
That being said, I bet it goes to a qb.

[texaspackerbacker]

The fact that QBs almost always get it is an indicator of the relative importance of the position (duh).

[Joemailman]

Rodgers NFC Offensive Player of The Month



Green Bay Packers

@AaronRodgers12
in his three December games:

- 76-of-102 (74.5%)
- 811 yards
- 10 touchdowns
- 0 interceptions
- 130.0 passer rating

Not a bad way to solidify your MVP claim.

[RashanGary]

I don’t think Rodgers gets it. Brady is at 5,000 yards and 40 touchdowns at 44 years old.

[Joemailman]

I don’t think Rodgers gets it. Brady is at 5,000 yards and 40 touchdowns at 44 years old.

I've been thinking the same thing. 5000 and 40 are numbers that speak loudly. A darkhorse would be Cooper Kupp. He needs 136 yards Sunday to break Calvin Johnson's record for receiving yards in a season. 171 yards would get him to 2000. He'll need to do it against a tough 49ers pass defense though.

[smuggler]

Rodgers said he's playing against the Lions. He's probably gonna drop 4 tuddies. I think he gets it.

[RashanGary]

Rodgers said he's playing against the Lions. He's probably gonna drop 4 tuddies. I think he gets it.

I was really disappointed in the rushing touchdowns. I wanted to see Rodgers get 3 because I think 40/4 would have gotten him the MVP.

If Gute can keep Adams and Rodgers together next year, I look forward to a 0 interception season. The OL is going to be much improved. Runyan, Meyers and Newman are all going to be much improved. Bakh will be 100%. Nijman will be the RT if Turner goes the way of cap casualty. I like Rodgers chances of a 0 pick season next year.

[George Cumby]

I hope Gisele's husband gets it.

A pissed off Aaron is a dangerous Aaron.

[smuggler]

Bears bitch Hub Arkush (she/them) says he won't vote for Rodgers because even though Rodgers is clearly the best player this year, getting revenge against someone they hate is more important than their professional integrity.

[texaspackerbacker]

Who's gonna vote for their owner hahahaha?

[Joemailman]

“I just think that the way he’s carried himself is inappropriate,” Arkush said. “I think he’s a bad guy, and I don’t think a bad guy can be the most valuable guy at the same time.”

I'd love for someone to ask Arkush how many games he thinks the Packers would have won if Rodgers wasn't such a bad guy.

[smuggler]

Arkush's pussy got sprained when Rodgera did his most heinous hoodwink. Don't let a little thing like facts get in the way of the almighty feelings.

[smuggler]

Even Florio is calling Arkush out for lack of integrity and credibility. Imagine being so wrong that Florio calls you out.

[MadtownPacker]

I'd love for someone to ask Arkush how many games he thinks the Packers would have won if Rodgers wasn't such a bad guy.
Rodgers is proof nice guys finish last. His success is almost always connected to something pissing off or slighting him. An angry Erin is a great one. The BS he had to deal with this year just might get us a SB victory. :lol:

[smuggler]

You can't be too nice. You gotta be cruel to be kind, but you gotta pick your battles. I like to be nice, but when it's time to be an asshole, always be more of an asshole than you think is necessary. 110%. Otherwise you'll regret it. A half-assed asshole gets everything covered in shit.

[Joemailman]

MLF asked about the situation:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIW2cjlWUBAlH-c?format=png&name=small

[smuggler]

"MLF destroys third-rate press crony with fourth-rate opinion."

EZ headline

[Joemailman]

Matt Schneidman of The Athletic was the first to ask Rodgers a question on Wednesday, who immediately inquired how Rodgers took Arkush’s comments.

MS: After what you said last week about what it would mean to win your fourth MVP, what do you think of 1 of the 50 voters [Arkush] coming out and saying yesterday, “I don’t think you can be the biggest jerk in the league and punish your team and your organization and your fanbase the way he did and be the MVP. I think he’s a bad guy and I don’t think a bad guy can be the MVP at the same time.”

AR: I think he’s a bum. I think he’s an absolute bum. He doesn’t know me. I don’t know who he is. No one knew who he was, probably, until yesterday’s comments. I listened to the comments, but to say he had his mind made up in the summertime, in the offseason that I had zero chance of winning MVP, in my opinion, should exclude future votes. His problem isn’t with me being a bad guy or the biggest jerk in the league, because he doesn’t know me...he doesn’t know anything about me, I’ve never met him. I’ve never had lunch with him. I’ve never had an interview with him. His problem is I’m not vaccinated. So if he wants to go on a crusade and collude and come up with an extra letter to put on the award, just for this season, and make it the “Most Valuable Vaccinated Player,” then he should do that. He’s a bum and I’m going to waste any time worrying about that stuff. He doesn’t know what I do, who I am. He’s never talked to me in his life, but it’s unfortunate that those sentiments...it’s surprising that he would even say that, to be honest. I knew this was possible. I talked about it on McAfee a few weeks ago. Crazy..

[texaspackerbacker]

Rodgers shoulda just laughed it off.

[George Cumby]

Get accused of being a bum and respond like a bum.

I fear for the Fabric of the Universe because, again, I agree with Tex, he should have laughed it off.

[Sparkey]

Aaron needs to wear looser underwear. They seem to get bunched up alot.

[Joemailman]

"Who's Hub Arkush?" would have been a better response.

[Freak Out]

Maybe this motivates them to win the Superb Owl again.

[call_me_ishmael]

"Who's Hub Arkush?" would have been a better response.

I agree, but he knew what he was doing. He has now created the narrative that if he doesn't get the MVP, it's because of these reasons instead of his play.

[smuggler]

He's right though. But I agree, sometimes less is more.

[Fosco33]

An AP reported trashes you and you think laugh it off.

I would’ve said he’s just mad because I own him.

That said - AP should pull his vote for violating the rules. Hahaha

[Joemailman]

Arkush apologized for his comments, although the apology is directed more to the AP than to Rogers.


So in case you haven’t heard, I’ve spent the better part of the last 24 hours making a pretty nasty mess.

Actually, and much to my surprise, that may be the understatement of the year. There is absolutely nothing clever or remotely entertaining about it.

I made a terrible mistake. It was completely my fault. There is no one else to blame, and I am here to try and apologize.

I own this and I couldn’t be more sorry.

I expect some clarity on exactly what I am apologizing for might be relevant and welcome.


There is no more respected bastion of journalism in the world than the Associated Press, and from where I sit there are few greater honors in my business than being chosen one of the 50 members of its panel that selects the NFL’s annual All Pro teams, MVPs, etc.

It has been my privilege to be a member of that team for some time now and Tuesday I violated a trust.

Our marching orders are to cast our votes as reasoned and thoughtfully as possible for those we believe to be the most deserving in our own considered judgment. All that is asked of us is not to discuss our votes publicly until after the awards have been announced.

On Tuesday, at 670 The Score in Chicago, where I am regularly employed as an analyst and host, for reasons that I am still trying to come to grips with but were completely my responsibility, I allowed myself to be walked into a conversation about an MVP candidate I knew I would not be voting for. I said some things that while not unreasonable in the context they were said, I voiced them in totally inappropriate ways.

I couldn’t possibly be more sorry for joining the conversation at all and some of the childish things I said about Aaron Rodgers.

Most of the other 49 AP voters are acquaintances, many are friends, and the reason we are asked not to do what I did is it now puts undo pressure on some of them to comment, not comment, agree, disagree or take grief for doing the right thing and remaining silent.


Worse yet, I’ve apparently unleashed a small army of self-styled social media and talk radio experts who have no clue what they’re talking about to challenge the quality of the voting process and would attempt to invalidate any vote or thought process that doesn’t agree with their own.

A sign of the times I guess.

To everyone in any way associated with the AP awards, you couldn’t possibly do the job any better or be more respected by anyone who actually cares more about getting it right than getting what they want.


To any player or coach that’s ever won an AP honor, you couldn’t possibly be more deserving and don’t ever let anyone call that into question.

To Aaron Rodgers, you are one of the greatest players of this generation and one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.

Whether or not you are this year’s MVP is up to the 50-member panel, neither me, nor my critics.

I couldn’t possibly be more sorry for dragging all of you into my mess and I hope you will accept my apology.

Why or how this became a national news story I don’t understand, and while I would love to be able to explain what I meant to say and butchered so badly, any further conversation about my own vote now would just throw another log on the fire and cloud what matters at the moment.

I was wrong, I own it and I couldn’t be more sorry.

I’ll be happy to discuss my vote and my reasoning with whomever would like to after the awards have been announced.

For now please don’t tarnish anyone else with my mistake. Think of me as you will, but I hope my responsibility and regret are clear.

[smuggler]

He needed to apologize to the AP. He can screw Rodgers once, but this is his last chance at it realistically. Rodgers will probably never contend again, and even if he does, Arkush will probably not be a voter.

But he has undermined the credibility of the AP and the award itself. If Rodgers doesn't win, it's a PR nightmare for the AP and the award is irreparably tarnished.

[Joemailman]

Brady vs. Rodgers Stat Comparison:

Pass Attempts: Brady 682 (1st) Rodgers 513 (13th)

Completions: Brady 456 (1st) Rodgers 352 (12th)

Completion Pct.: Brady 66.9 (13th) Rodgers 68.6 (4th)

Passing Yards: Brady 4990 (1st) Rodgers 3977 (9th)

TD Passes: Brady 40 (1st) Rodgers 35 (5th)

TD Pass %: Brady 5.9 (4th) Rodgers 6.8 (1st)

Interceptions: Brady 10 (8th) Rodgers 4 (1st) Among Full-Time Starters

INT %: Brady 1.8 (8th) Rodgers: 0.8 (1st)

First Downs: Brady 254 (1st) Rodgers: 204 (8th)

Yards Per Att: Brady 7.3 (12th) Rodgers 7.8 (6th)

Yards Per Comp.: Brady: 10.9 (16th) Rodgers 11.3 (11th)

Passer Rating: Brady: 100.5 (8th) Rodgers 111.1 (1st)

QBR: Brady 66.7 (2nd) Rodgers 67.8 (1st)

4th QTR Comebacks: Brady 3 (4th) Rodgers 1 (15th)

Game Winning Drives: Brady 5 (2nd) Rodgers: 2 (13th)

[Sparkey]

That's one of the better apologies I've read.

[MadtownPacker]

I agree, but he knew what he was doing. He has now created the narrative that if he doesn't get the MVP, it's because of these reasons instead of his play.How the fuck did he create it? The voter piece of shit is flat out admitting why he isn’t voting for him!!! I hate little bitches like you who start shit with a bigger dog and then when you get pounced cry about how hurt you got so that makes you the victim.

Fuck no it doesn’t, it makes you pathetic like this guy who is probably going to lose his vote that’s why he is apologizing now.

[George Cumby]

Hub Arkham should not be allowed to vote, he's openly declared his bias.

His apology doesn't remove the perception that his vote is biased, which it clearly is.

Fuck him for talking stupid shit and fuck Erin for being bush-league.

[call_me_ishmael]

How the fuck did he create it? The voter piece of shit is flat out admitting why he isn’t voting for him!!! I hate little bitches like you who start shit with a bigger dog and then when you get pounced cry about how hurt you got so that makes you the victim.

Fuck no it doesn’t, it makes you pathetic like this guy who is probably going to lose his vote that’s why he is apologizing now.

I am unclear what you're saying. Rodgers just created a built-in excuse for himself if he doesn't win. I think he probably should win it, though, because he has played really well week 1 aside.

[Fritz]

I am unclear what you're saying. Rodgers just created a built-in excuse for himself if he doesn't win. I think he probably should win it, though, because he has played really well week 1 aside.

I am not a fan of Aaron Rodgers the person, so far as how he presents himself publicly reflects who he is. The vaccination thing seemed really underhanded and unnecessary. I thought he could've addressed his issues with the team more privately.

But the guy is a wizard at the QB position. We Packer fans have gotten awfully spoiled - if you watch other NFL games, you realize just how damn good Rodgers really is. So he may be the MVP.

Lots of MVP's in lots of sports have been assholes. I'm not sure where you draw those lines, though. Probably very few people would think it would be okay to have, say, a pedophile win an MVP award or be in the Hall of Fame, but where do you draw a line? Being a general asshole probably would not be a disqualifier, though.

[smuggler]

I watched Bucs/Panthers game a few years back. It was Jameis Winston against Cam Newton. Neither played well, especially Cam Newton. Those guys were considered talented QBs, but it looked like they were throwing in slow motion. Usually it's not so exaggerated, but of course you're right Fritz. Between Favre and Rodgers, we haven't seen a lot of awful QB play in quite a while.

[Fritz]

I watched Bucs/Panthers game a few years back. It was Jameis Winston against Cam Newton. Neither played well, especially Cam Newton. Those guys were considered talented QBs, but it looked like they were throwing in slow motion. Usually it's not so exaggerated, but of course you're right Fritz. Between Favre and Rodgers, we haven't seen a lot of awful QB play in quite a while.

Well, we have gotten to seen glimpses: TJ Rubley, Brett Hundley, a couple others (shudder).

[RashanGary]

If Rodgers would have gotten to 40 and 4, I think he would have had it. But Brady put up gaudy numbers and is 44 years old. I think Brady gets it. And that’s good. We have a contract negotiation coming up with Rodgers. Back to back MVPs makes that a tricky bitch to navigate.

[RashanGary]

I’d like to see a zero interception season by Rodgers. Even 35 and zero would put him in the conversation again.

[esoxx]

Rodgers is an overwhelming favorite to win MVP. Betting sites have him around -550 compared to Brady's +450.

AR goes back to back.

[RashanGary]

Rodgers is an overwhelming favorite to win MVP. Betting sites have him around -550 compared to Brady's +450.

AR goes back to back.

I see that but can’t believe it. Brady has 43 touchdowns and 5300 yards. I just can’t believe 37 and 4100 yards gets it done.

[esoxx]

I see that but can’t believe it. Brady has 43 touchdowns and 5300 yards. I just can’t believe 37 and 4100 yards gets it done.

When you look at just those two stats, yeah Brady should win. 43 & 5,300 is clearly better than 37 & 4,100. However, Brady also has 3x as many interceptions as Rodgers and AR led his team to the best record in the NFL. Also AR #1 in QB rating.

[RashanGary]

When you look at just those two stats, yeah Brady should win. 43 & 5,300 is clearly better than 37 & 4,100. However, Brady also has 3x as many interceptions as Rodgers and AR led his team to the best record in the NFL. Also AR #1 in QB rating.

43 TDS - 12 interceptions is +31
37 TDs - 4 interceptions is +33

I think Aaron has 3 rushing too.

Maybe Aaron gets it. I know they’re saying it’s his. I wish he would have gotten to 40 and 4 and made it a lock but he’s sure got a shot. Those interceptions should count for something.

[texaspackerbacker]

I hope he gets it; I think he gets it; but put this shit in perspective, it's just the God damned media voting.

[HarveyWallbangers]

43 TDS - 12 interceptions is +31
37 TDs - 4 interceptions is +33

I think Aaron has 3 rushing too.

Maybe Aaron gets it. I know they’re saying it’s his. I wish he would have gotten to 40 and 4 and made it a lock but he’s sure got a shot. Those interceptions should count for something.

Godgers missed 1 1/2 games. He also had almost 200 fewer pass attempts.

Godgers = 68.9 completion %, 7.7 yards/attempt, 7.0 TD rate (league leader), 0.8 interception rate (league leader), 111.9 passer rating (league leader), 68.8 QBR (league leader)
Brady = 67.5 completion %, 7.4 yards/attempt, 6.0 TD rate, 1.7 interception rate, 102.1 passer rating, 68.5 QBR

Bulk stats say Brady by a little (when you consider the interceptions). Advanced metrics say Godgers by a lot. Rodgers also has him slightly beat on rushing and fumble stats and team record (13-2 vs 13-4).

The only way Godgers doesn't get it is if the media holds a grudge over the off the field stuff (primarily vaccine stuff, to a lesser extent the summer holdout).

[RashanGary]

Godgers missed 1 1/2 games. He also had almost 200 fewer pass attempts.

Godgers = 68.9 completion %, 7.7 yards/attempt, 7.0 TD rate (league leader), 0.8 interception rate (league leader), 111.9 passer rating (league leader), 68.8 QBR (league leader)
Brady = 67.5 completion %, 7.4 yards/attempt, 6.0 TD rate, 1.7 interception rate, 102.1 passer rating, 68.5 QBR

Bulk stats say Brady by a little (when you consider the interceptions). Advanced metrics say Godgers by a lot. Rodgers also has him slightly beat on rushing and fumble stats and team record (13-2 vs 13-4).

The only way Godgers doesn't get it is if the media holds a grudge over the off the field stuff (primarily vaccine stuff, to a lesser extent the summer holdout).

When you really break it down, yeah, Rodgers is deserving. I don’t know if these writers get deep enough to see passed the 5300 and 43. It’s an at a glance win for Brady.

[RashanGary]

I wonder if Rodgers is at a point in his career where he’d take a slight home town discount to keep Adams around? Adams and Rodgers would be a nice pair for the next 4 years. And it would be fun to see Adams break every Packer receiving record. The 99 touchdowns by Hutson is a lofty number but Adams would get there after a couple years and have a shot at the HOF if he goes over 12,000 yards and 100 touchdowns

[Bretsky]

I wonder if Rodgers is at a point in his career where he’d take a slight home town discount to keep Adams around? Adams and Rodgers would be a nice pair for the next 4 years. And it would be fun to see Adams break every Packer receiving record. The 99 touchdowns by Hutson is a lofty number but Adams would get there after a couple years and have a shot at the HOF if he goes over 12,000 yards and 100 touchdowns



I don't think much of Rodgers as a Human Being, but I don't think he's staying her w/o Adams as well. Just my gut. He would bully his way to GB signing Adams just as he did Cobb getting here.

[texaspackerbacker]

Bullying shouldn't be necessary, as good as Adams is. It's more like Adams stays if we keep Rodgers than the other way around.

[Thirteen Below]

Looks like Arkush was home sick the day the kindergarten teacher taught everyone that any apology that contains a half dozen versions of "however... " isn't really an apology for what you did, it's just a doubling-down.