Official Packers vs. Bills Discussion Thread

[Joemailman]

Bills lead all-time series 8-5.

Bills favored by 10.5. First time ever Aaron Rodgers will be double digit underdog.

Moneyline: Bills -500, Packers +333

Over/under 47.5.

Last meeting: September 30, 2018. Packers defeated the Bills at Lambeau 22-0. Rodgers threw for 298 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT. Rookie Josh Allen threw for 151 yards with 2 INT's. The Packers sacked Allen 7 times. Kyler Fackrell had 3 sacks.

Reports are Josh Allen has improved since then.

[Joemailman]

Allen Lazard has his arm in a sling today.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I am definitely putting frogskins on the Packers. How much depends on how I do at the poker tables.

[Sparkey]

43 - 10 Bills ( Normal weather )
27 - 3 Bills ( Bad, windy, rainy weather )

Better QB - Bills
Better Offense - Bills
Better Defense - Bills
Better Special Teams - Bills

or lets look at this another way:
( Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs vs The GB Defense )
( Aaron Rodgers and Sammy Watkins vs The Bills Defense )

It will be ugly!!!

[Joemailman]

43 - 10 Bills ( Normal weather )
27 - 3 Bills ( Bad, windy, rainy weather )

Better QB - Bills
Better Offense - Bills
Better Defense - Bills
Better Special Teams - Bills

or lets look at this another way:
( Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs vs The GB Defense )
( Aaron Rodgers and Sammy Watkins vs The Bills Defense )

It will be ugly!!!

Low 60's in the forecast for Buffalo Sunday. It is the Sunday Night game.

[Joemailman]

Bills one loss was a 21-0 shocker to Carolina. Likely they got caught looking past Carolina. Problem Packers have is they're not very good, but everybody gets fired up to play them because they're the Packers. There will be no games where the other team doesn't bring their best.

[RashanGary]

Rodgers leads the NFC in passing touchdowns. On pace for 25.

[Freak Out]

I was convinced the Redskins game was the rebound game....it's sure as hell not going to be against the Bills at home. The defense has enough talent to keep it close but the offense is going to have to put some points up and not turn anything over. Special teams....uh well. Is Amari still on the team?

[Freak Out]

The OL played pretty well overall considering the front 4 they were facing.

[Derward Slade]

Bills one loss was a 21-0 shocker to Carolina. Likely they got caught looking past Carolina. Problem Packers have is they're not very good, but everybody gets fired up to play them because they're the Packers. There will be no games where the other team doesn't bring their best.

Panthers loss was a preseason game. Bills season loss was to Dolphins 21-19.

[Joemailman]

The OL played pretty well overall considering the front 4 they were facing.

Not bad. Although they kept a TE in to block on all but 6 pass attempts. Too many drops and too many passes that did not give receiver a chance for YAC. It's a low octane offense that doesn't have a lot of margin for error.

[red]

whats the over under on allen putting up 400 yards in the first half?

well, maybe the second half. our defense usually tries a bit in the first half

[King Friday]

This won’t be close.

Bills by at least 18…Packers defense may keep it respectable for a few minutes, but will eventually wilt.

[bobblehead]

The OL played pretty well overall considering the front 4 they were facing.

Jenkins ain't right. He was a beast no matter where he lined up his entire career, and this year he has been a liability. Many speculated that Bak was done, then he surprised by playing a full solid game....but
alas, it didn't last.

[pittstang5]

Bills one loss was a 21-0 shocker to Carolina...........


Huh? That was preseason. Bills only loss was to Miami in the Tua "you got knocked the f@ck out" game.

[Jaire]

Rodgers leads the NFC in passing touchdowns. On pace for 25.

No way. pathetic. Anyways, I expect Jeudy or Claypool to suit up in green and gold before Sunday. Gute needs to do something to get help on offense: he completely failed the off season. Time for him to try to save face at least.

[jklowan]

Packers lose by at least 20 in this game I'm afraid, weak offense with no receivers doesn't get better. There is no scheme to fix no talent (be it young or just shitty). This is the week that the wheels officially fall off. Well at least we will get a decent pick in the draft.

[bobblehead]

I am definitely putting frogskins on the Packers. How much depends on how I do at the poker tables.

I do like the contrarian play. If Erin is as fragile and easily butt hurt as people contend I would expect his best game of the year.

[bobblehead]

43 - 10 Bills ( Normal weather )
27 - 3 Bills ( Bad, windy, rainy weather )

Better QB - Bills
Better Offense - Bills
Better Defense - Bills
Better Special Teams - Bills

or lets look at this another way:
( Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs vs The GB Defense )
( Aaron Rodgers and Sammy Watkins vs The Bills Defense )

It will be ugly!!!

Hard to really argue with this take. Bills are better at every position basically. However I would argue that the POTENTIAL is closer to the packers being about equal. For my money, the Bills are the most talented roster in the league. Packers would be top 5 if the OL were healthy and gelling. IF Bak and Jenkins were to return to form they are 6 deep in very good players. If Bak sits and Jenkins is sub par...well, that is the best 2 of the group so clearly it changes the equation.

[bobblehead]

The OL played pretty well overall considering the front 4 they were facing.

It was close to their best performance of the year which is encouraging...but the run blocking wasn't where it needs to be. It is near impossible to run at Sweat though, and Tom didn't run block particularly well.

[bobblehead]

No way. pathetic. Anyways, I expect Jeudy or Claypool to suit up in green and gold before Sunday. Gute needs to do something to get help on offense: he completely failed the off season. Time for him to try to save face at least.

Jeudy is way too expensive. Pitt is flush with good WR and they are rebuilding. If claypool could be had for a 3rd I would trade it. Otherwise we will fuck it up like we do every 3rd round pick.

Imagine a future of 6'4" superfreak athletes Claypool and Watson lining up with 6'2" Romeo. That could terrify defenses in the future.

[Jaire]

We only have two starters from the second round since Adams. We have become the teams I used to make fun of, saying they are better off trading their picks for proven players with a path. We should not be drafting in the second or third rounds. period.

Maybe Gute can make his living off trades, FA, guys off the street, and UDFA's.

[Bretsky]

Jeudy is way too expensive. Pitt is flush with good WR and they are rebuilding. If claypool could be had for a 3rd I would trade it. Otherwise we will fuck it up like we do every 3rd round pick.

Imagine a future of 6'4" superfreak athletes Claypool and Watson lining up with 6'2" Romeo. That could terrify defenses in the future.



CLAYPOOL is the guy to get near term, and I'd also give up a 3rd. Pickens is their future. They are not going to resign Claypool after he expires. He might be the one WR who makes sense.

Alex Pierce, and Pickens look pretty good this year.

[texaspackerbacker]

Jeudy is way too expensive. Pitt is flush with good WR and they are rebuilding. If claypool could be had for a 3rd I would trade it. Otherwise we will fuck it up like we do every 3rd round pick.

Imagine a future of 6'4" superfreak athletes Claypool and Watson lining up with 6'2" Romeo. That could terrify defenses in the future.

I've generally been against drafting WRs early or trading for them as well as against signing old retread FAs. I'm coming around to modifying that point of view, though. Yeah, getting Claypool for a 3rd would be a good thing, both for the present and the future, although retaining him after 2023 might get expensive if he proves to be good.

[Joemailman]

CLAYPOOL is the guy to get near term, and I'd also give up a 3rd. Pickens is their future. They are not going to resign Claypool after he expires. He might be the one WR who makes sense.

Alex Pierce, and Pickens look pretty good this year.

I'd be okay with giving up a 3rd for Claypool since he's only in the 3rd year of his contract. He would only count 2.1M against the cap next year. If the Packers can right the ship and get to 5-5, a better idea might be to go after OBJ in a few weeks. He played in a similar offense with the Rams last year and could pick things up pretty quickly.

[beveaux1]

I'd be okay with giving up a 3rd for Claypool since he's only in the 3rd year of his contract. He would only count 2.1M against the cap next year. If the Packers can right the ship and get to 5-5, a better idea might be to go after OBJ in a few weeks. He played in a similar offense with the Rams last year and could pick things up pretty quickly.

I wonder how good OBJ will be coming back from his second ACL. I'm not convinced he'd be worth near what he thinks he'd be worth.

[Freak Out]

Man…he may as well give up a 3rd…Gute sucks in the 3rd. Claypool could have a huge impact almost immediately. Who else is shopping their receivers?

[Joemailman]

Man…he may as well give up a 3rd…Gute sucks in the 3rd. Claypool could have a huge impact almost immediately. Who else is shopping their receivers?

Given Packers recent draft history, I'd give up a 3rd for Claypool. But there's no way I'd give up a 4th.

[Bretsky]

Given Packers recent draft history, I'd give up a 3rd for Claypool. But there's no way I'd give up a 4th.



GIVEN all of GUTE's shitty 3rd round picks can we just trade them all away ?

[Jaire]

GIVEN all of GUTE's shitty 3rd round picks can we just trade them all away ?

Right now, the way I see it, Gute is cutting most his seconds, thirds, fourths, fifths, sixths, and sevenths early. I'm not disagreeing with him either.

The FA part of the GM job seems to be his forte and he's good with the firsts. So, let's just let her rip, and get it going. This train is a runnaway anywho.

Don't let San Fran beat you in the futures give away.

the future is now..............................and it means the FO will get cleaned out sooner than later.

[Fosco33]

I think we play much better but going to be a tough game to win. We haven’t been very lucky, yet, and we’ll need some of that.

I do love what Arodg said on Pat’s show today. Applies to many posters here.

Me - I’m not giving up on my post season prediction.

https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/aaron-rodgers-slams-packers-fans-comments/?fbclid=IwAR3vmONVijyM1aFb47SiuhDOpbSsA10j36o3OqDn Ilmh9RbRfa6QHX0H-g8&fs=e&s=cl

[beveaux1]

I also think we play our best game of the year so far. We may not win, but I think we’ll play our best game.

[Jaire]

As always, great stuff from Wahle. His best yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wreNRT23ppQ&t=2029s

All's not lost but man, I'm so done with this FO esp after that total waste of draft in 2020. This is all on Gute, and the consequence of years of neglect. so foreseeable. i agree too: no answers this year

[Sparkey]

I struggle to see how Claypool makes us better ? He has had some terrible drops and struggles in contested catch situations. First drop or incorrect route and Rodgers will ignore him, just like he does everyone else after a mistake.

[bobblehead]

We only have two starters from the second round since Adams. We have become the teams I used to make fun of, saying they are better off trading their picks for proven players with a path. We should not be drafting in the second or third rounds. period.

Maybe Gute can make his living off trades, FA, guys off the street, and UDFA's.

Gute has only made 4 picks in the 2nd round so far. If you still consider Jenkins a stud (I do) he has drafted 2 really good OL and Watson has barely played so can't be judged yet. Jackson was a bust, but most talent guys thought he should have gone in the 1st (I liked him coming out as well). Dillon is a co starter as well. I would say Gutes made hay on 3 out of 4 second rounders.

[bobblehead]

Given Packers recent draft history, I'd give up a 3rd for Claypool. But there's no way I'd give up a 4th.

Intuitively I know you are wrong, but I can't make an argument against it based on real world results :)

[Bretsky]

Gute has only made 4 picks in the 2nd round so far. If you still consider Jenkins a stud (I do) he has drafted 2 really good OL and Watson has barely played so can't be judged yet. Jackson was a bust, but most talent guys thought he should have gone in the 1st (I liked him coming out as well). Dillon is a co starter as well. I would say Gutes made hay on 3 out of 4 second rounders.



At this point, you consider AJ Dillon a great pick in round 2 ?

[bobblehead]

Right now, the way I see it, Gute is cutting most his seconds, thirds, fourths, fifths, sixths, and sevenths early. I'm not disagreeing with him either.
Ok, enough with the foolishness. Gutes has had some misses, just like every GM in the league, but CUTTING most of his picks after the first? If we admit most 6/7s get cut and are out of the league fast lets just see who is still with us after 4 years.

Alexander is only remaining member of 1st draft, MVS and EQ left in FA and are still in the league.
Gary Savage and Jenkins are all starters. Summers and Holman are on practice squads.
Love Dillon Deguera runyan are on the team and contributors. Hansen garvis still with us.
Stokes Myers starters. Amari newman TJ Slaton shemale charles Hill all with us (Amari shouldn't be). Van Lanaan traded for a pick.
this years draft is obviously all with us still since its so fresh, but talk about dominating the 4th and 5th rounds. I believe this will go down as an epic draft eventually. That is clearly projection though.

A good draft is 2 starters and 2 contributors. We easily pass that bar in every draft except the one that netted us a top 5 CB and a WR that is starting for KC. Very little else to like about that draft.

[bobblehead]

At this point, you consider AJ Dillon a great pick in round 2 ?

I always am of the opinion the OL makes the back in most cases. Give Dillon adequete blocking and I think he is good. I don't believe I claimed he was a great pick. But if it bolsters your point, feel free to inflate my claims.

Edit: And my math sucks. Gutes has made 5 picks in the 2nd. 3 good players, 1 bust and Watson...jury is out.

[Bretsky]

I always am of the opinion the OL makes the back in most cases. Give Dillon adequete blocking and I think he is good. I don't believe I claimed he was a great pick. But if it bolsters your point, feel free to inflate my claims.

Edit: And my math sucks. Gutes has made 5 picks in the 2nd. 3 good players, 1 bust and Watson...jury is out.



OK, I'll step it back. Was Dillon a good pick ? I look at the RB's getting drafted in round 2 ........seeing hardly any go round 1 anymore. Not sure I want a grinder like AJ in round 2.

And when grading out GUTE, don't you almost have to validate Watson on two 2nd round picks ?

[Bretsky]

Ok, enough with the foolishness. Gutes has had some misses, just like every GM in the league, but CUTTING most of his picks after the first? If we admit most 6/7s get cut and are out of the league fast lets just see who is still with us after 4 years.

Alexander is only remaining member of 1st draft, MVS and EQ left in FA and are still in the league.
Gary Savage and Jenkins are all starters. Summers and Holman are on practice squads.
Love Dillon Deguera runyan are on the team and contributors. Hansen garvis still with us.
Stokes Myers starters. Amari newman TJ Slaton shemale charles Hill all with us (Amari shouldn't be). Van Lanaan traded for a pick.
this years draft is obviously all with us still since its so fresh, but talk about dominating the 4th and 5th rounds. I believe this will go down as an epic draft eventually. That is clearly projection though.

A good draft is 2 starters and 2 contributors. We easily pass that bar in every draft except the one that netted us a top 5 CB and a WR that is starting for KC. Very little else to like about that draft.


When I look at this the Gary/Savage/Jenkins draft looks sweet
The Love/Deguara/Runyan draft looks pretty sad

The others....ok but average at best if you want to slant it that way

Last years draft, IMO could be very very good

[Joemailman]

Matt Schneidman

Allen Lazard won’t practice today and LaFleur says “we’ll see” when asked if he’ll miss games because of his shoulder injury.

Christian Watson will return to practice and be limited.

[Joemailman]

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[Anti-Polar Bear]

What a miserable day at the poker tables. Coulda/shoulda made better decisions, but couldn’t double up with multiple pocket Aces and Kings. Lost multiple all-in pots with pocket Aces and Kings. Fucking variances. All in all, pissed away $900 (all winnings from last week).

Checked wallet and all that was left was $115. Placed all that shit on the Packers, moneyline, @ +425

Help this miserable wretch out, Packers! Win the fucking game!!!!

[RashanGary]

What a miserable day at the poker tables. Coulda made better decisions, but couldn

I played poker in a casino one time. It happened too fast for me. I could barely process what was going on.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I played poker in a casino one time. It happened too fast for me. I could barely process what was going on.

Lots of fish playing 1-3 at Oneida. Maybe I am fish myself, maybe not. Whatever the case, I flip burgers for the minimum-wage. Lack a sumptuous bankroll to absorb the fucking variances. Playing short-stacked, as I often do, is just pissing away more frogskins.

[Joemailman]

Rob Demovsky

Aaron Rodgers (with right thumb taped) was back after missing yesterday.

Rashan Gary was in pads, a sign he’s progressed through the concussion protocol.

Elgton Jenkins also was back.

DNPs: Lazard, Jean-Charles, Bakhtiari, Lewis.

[Joemailman]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgGjVKdXoAEIXAJ?format=png&name=small

[Joemailman]

Zach Kruse

In the Packers upset of the Cardinals last year, Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon combined for 38 touches, and Jones led all players with 11 targets.

Packers forced 3 turnovers and held the ball for almost 38 minutes.

If the Packers are to have a chance Sunday, this is how you do it.

[Jaire]

If the Packers are to have a chance Sunday, this is how you do it.

That Cards defense was very vulnerable against the run last year: not nearly as good as their record. But GB DOES need to game plan better. It just seems the quality at every single spot on this team has dropped this year, from water boy to head coach. It could just be hang over from three disappointing post seasons. Last year especially should have been theirs (injuries, FO, and coaching cost them). Maybe the adrenaline has worn off and they just can't get it going again. I don't know. I also think that MLF is missing a few things as a head coach, things he probably never acquires; I see him more as a great OC than a head coach.

[Joemailman]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgLm8sRXkAIxmIt?format=jpg&name=large

[Jaire]

Jenkins, Bakh, AND Gary are questionable. That's concerning.

[pittstang5]

If I were the Bills, I wouldn't even dress my Punter for the game - unless he's the holder for the kicker.

[beveaux1]

If I were the Bills, I wouldn't even dress my Punter for the game - unless he's the holder for the kicker.

That's pretty funny.

[Vincenzo]

If I were the Bills, I wouldn't even dress my Punter for the game - unless he's the holder for the kicker.

Good one buddy. The way I see it is it’s a Donkey vs a Racehorse and I mean Secretariat vs a cheap claimer.

[Joemailman]

To win this game, all Packers have to do is convince the Bills it's the Super Bowl.

[Rastak]

To win this game, all Packers have to do is convince the Bills it's the Super Bowl.



That sounds like a great Vikings joke.

[pittstang5]

Who's starting the game day thread tomorrow? We need someone that's been super lucky that can make a run.