What do the Packers get for Aaron Rodgers?

[RashanGary]

Im thinking a 2nd this year from the Jets and a conditional pick if it goes well for them.

[red]

i'm still hoping for a 1st this year and maybe something next year

but i'll take whatever we can get to get rid of him

it'll probably be what you what you said though, 2nd this year and something next

[sharpe1027]

I'd like a first, whether this or next year. I expect a conditional 2nd or less.

[Fritz]

I'd like a first, whether this or next year. I expect a conditional 2nd or less.

I’m thinking a second this year and a conditional second/third/nothing next year, depending on how he plays and whether he returns for a second year.

[Teamcheez1]

At this point in time, I am more interested in a new contract that would take some cap burden off the Packers. The picks will just be gravy.

[RashanGary]

I’d like to see a condition that if he wins SB we get a first. I don’t see us getting a first outright though

[RashanGary]

A second and another conditional second if he makes the probowl. It becomes a first if he wins SB

[RashanGary]

A second and another conditional second if he makes the probowl. It becomes a first if he wins SB

I think this is the best we can hope for.

[Fritz]

At this point in time, I am more interested in a new contract that would take some cap burden off the Packers. The picks will just be gravy.

This is probably the most realistic way to look at this one. If you were really going to cash in on a Rodgers trade, last year was the year to do that.

It's more about starting a new era, one that Tex is convinced brings only losing and doom and gloom. But I thought we were already on that road last year, and that was with Rodgers at the helm.

[texaspackerbacker]

An acorn of truth there, Fritz. Do you think the Packer brass didn't know and consider that if they were gonna trade Rodgers, last year woulda been the year to do it? And they decided not to. That ought to tell ya'all something - something like they don't intend to trade him at all.

Doom and gloom without Rodgers? Of course, or at least mediocrity anyway. On that road last year? That's ignoring the fact that injuries, Rodgers, Watson, Doubs, etc. were the primary reason for last year being so bad.

[Fritz]

Tex at the Alamo.

Place is burning all around him, soldiers and mercenaries falling all around, the enemy breeching the front gates, and he's still waving that Bowie knife all around.

[KYPack]

Tex at the Titanic...

"Man the lifeboats men. Tell the women and the kids we'll be back for 'em later".

[Freak Out]

It has to be a first round pick or they can fuck off.

[Rastak]

Tex at the Titanic...

"Man the lifeboats men. Tell the women and the kids we'll be back for 'em later".



:-)

[Fritz]

It has to be a first round pick or they can fuck off.

Except then what do the Packers do if Rodgers say he still wants to play? I don't think you can have him as your starter AND keep Love for that expensive fifth-year option. And even if you could, you'd face having to give Love a long-term deal without having seen him as your starter for a year. Not good.

Take what you can get.

[red]

cowherd thinks it has to be at least the #13 pick

[RashanGary]

cowherd thinks it has to be at least the #13 pick

If we get the 13th pick, bobbles already got the spot locked up for polishing gutes knob, but maybe apb can volunteer to cradle his balls pr something? Im sure he’s conditioned for it with all the porn.

[Joemailman]

cowherd thinks it has to be at least the #13 pick

So there's no way they get the 13th pick?

[QBME]

It has to be a first round pick or they can fuck off.

Man, I hope I never find myself staring at you across a poker table..

[KYPack]

:-)

RIP Bud Grant

[Rastak]

RIP Bud Grant

I was devastated. What a shitty day I had KY. Next morning I went out with my mother and the usual old ladies for coffee and saw the paper and got punched again.

[Freak Out]

Legend.

[Freak Out]

Man, I hope I never find myself staring at you across a poker table..

Anyone who trades for Arod thinks they are on the cusp of a Superb Owl and all they need is a QB. Make them pay for it.

[red]

Anyone who trades for Arod thinks they are on the cusp of a Superb Owl and all they need is a QB. Make them pay for it.

I agree, but we are motivated sellers. Sure sounds like Murphy and gutebag want him gone ASAP

[Freak Out]

TT and gunslinger 2.0

[MadtownPacker]

Tex at the Alamo.

Place is burning all around him, soldiers and mercenaries falling all around, the enemy breeching the front gates, and he's still waving that Bowie knife all around.I actually got to go see the Alamo last year, something I always liked since a boy. it was very cool.

I agree that would be TPB and that’s exactly what makes his crusty ole ass kinda cool too!

[texaspackerbacker]

Damn Straight! bring it on, Mexicans ....... oops, present company's ancestors excepted hahahaha.

[RashanGary]

Maybe we get a 1 if they’re so desperate they’re signing Rodgers guys on top of it all.

[Bretsky]

Anybody else thinking arod will do anything he can to make this difficult if he can stick it to us

[red]

Anybody else thinking arod will do anything he can to make this difficult if he can stick it to us

of course he will

you think he won't make a god damn decision before week 1?

[MadtownPacker]

Addition by subtraction is good enough reason, eff that mofo, frikin weirdo like Red.

[Upnorth]

So long as we get to give away most of the cap issues I am willing to get nothing in return besides a conditional pick.

[Fosco33]

2nd and a 4th

[Sparkey]

A 2nd and Elijah Moore and a conditional pick in 2024

[Harlan Huckleby]

Addition by subtraction is good enough reason, eff that mofo, frikin weirdo like Red.

HAve you thought about shopping Red to a Jets forum?

[jklowan]

I have said all along it has to be a 1st and a 2nd (with potential to move to a 1 with performance or service escalators). If we get 2 1's they should build a statue of Gute at Lambeau

[Spaulding]

A 2nd and Elijah Moore and a conditional pick in 2024

I'm liking this option a lot. Especially if where the conditional 2024 pick could be up to a 1st if the Jets make the AFC title game or something to that effect.

[Jaire]

Andrew Brandt just tweeted that he thought AR's interview shifted leverage to GB. He's put the Jets in a spot where they now have to get the deal done (even more than before). GB can wait... and wait... and wait. Pressure will be on Jets. Should be interesting.

Also, as I heard AR, the sticking point seems to be about how much of AR's contract Green Bay will eat.

[texaspackerbacker]

Right about the leverage being with the Packers. Wrong about the second part. No way in hell they would be stupid enough to do what. It damn well better be about how much the Packers get in trade, and it better be a LOT.

[Sparkey]

Andrew Brandt just tweeted that he thought AR's interview shifted leverage to GB. He's put the Jets in a spot where they now have to get the deal done (even more than before). GB can wait... and wait... and wait. Pressure will be on Jets. Should be interesting.

Also, as I heard AR, the sticking point seems to be about how much of AR's contract Green Bay will eat.

So basically it is a "you want us to eat more, then make it worth our while" type of scenario. Owner of the JETS wants this to happen, so make the owner PAY.

[RashanGary]

Andrew Brandt just tweeted that he thought AR's interview shifted leverage to GB. He's put the Jets in a spot where they now have to get the deal done (even more than before). GB can wait... and wait... and wait. Pressure will be on Jets. Should be interesting.

Also, as I heard AR, the sticking point seems to be about how much of AR's contract Green Bay will eat.

The way it stands, it’s a 4 year, 36M per year deal to whoever takes him. It’s not a bad deal.

[Jaire]

The way it stands, it’s a 4 year, 36M per year deal to whoever takes him. It’s not a bad deal.

It's a one year deal (max two), 60 million per year. You're looking at the payment spread out, but what really matters is cash cost.

edit: I believe Woody Johnson already publicly offered first round picks (without consulting JD, lol). I'm guessing it's the money more than picks. But we'll see how it shakes out.

[Fritz]

2nd and a 4th

That would work for me at this point.

Git'r done.

[RashanGary]

It's a one year deal (max two), 60 million per year. You're looking at the payment spread out, but what really matters is cash cost.

If he retires, prorated parts of the bonus don’t count against the cap. I don’t think they’re as worried about giving away a few million dollars if it doesn’t count on the cap. They have it.

[Jaire]

lol. Rich Eisen is publicly negotiating for Jets. Rodgers, I definitely noticed, was doing some public negotiating too on the Pat Mac show. We'll see who blinks

[RashanGary]

It's a one year deal (max two), 60 million per year. You're looking at the payment spread out, but what really matters is cash cost.

edit: I believe Woody Johnson already publicly offered first round picks (without consulting JD, lol). I'm guessing it's the money more than picks. But we'll see how it shakes out.

60M year 1
47M year 2

It’s risky business. Rodgers will either have a fire lit inside him or he’ll fall further into hippyville. I wouldn’t do it, but they seem willing.

[Upnorth]

On over the cap it shows post june 1 cap savings of 8million. I hope we don't have to listen to this that long

[Sparkey]

On over the cap it shows post june 1 cap savings of 8million. I hope we don't have to listen to this that long

They, The Packers, would be foolish to let it slide past this draft. Besides, the Jets owner WANTS RODGERS BAD! It will happen and the JETS will pay. At some point Woody Johnson will tell Douglas to make it happen. Would I give up a first for a guy who might only play 1 year ? NFW

But the beauty of this whole situation is the Jets only other option is Lamar Jackson and that path requires a ton of guaranteed money and 2 firsts for a guy who has issues staying healthy.

[run pMc]

I'd take a 2023 R2, R4 and a conditional 2024 R2 that becomes a R1 if Rodgers is MVP or NYJ win the SB, but voids if neither happens AND he retires after 2023.
You're trading the contract more than the player at this point.

I know people are talking about Stafford or R.Wilson levels of comp, but given he could retire at any point and his contract has so much guaranteed cash (and the NYJ cap situation) there has to be some compromises made.

I wouldn't trade Rodgers for a single R2 (or lower) pick, that's basically like if someone else tries to sign Yosh Njiman. Throw in a bunch of conditionals on the picks to protect each side.

Agree the NYJ don't have a lot of leverage and will be motivated to get this done. I highly doubt Woody Johnson is going to give everyone the middle finger and go sign Matt Ryan or Marcus Mariota at this point.

[texaspackerbacker]

Anything less than a Herschel Walker type trade - at least three first rounders and more besides, and this is a bonehead stupid move by Gutekunst - flushing the team down the drain for his own ego. Even all that wouldn't satisfy me, and of course, they're not gonna get that much in trade. Even though the Packers would seem to have most of the leverage, ultimately they probably fuck up this aspect of the situation too and get crap like some of ya'all are pathetically ready to be satisfied with.

[call_me_ishmael]

I don't see why everyone thinks the Packers have leverage. They *want Rodgers out of the building* for sure. They definitely do not want him coming to training camp, etc. I don't really think they have any leverage. That said I think it should be easy to hammer out a trade for an R2 and call it a day. There is no need to be a dingle berry, the proper thing to do would be to cut Rodgers loose like the Colts did Manning.

[Joemailman]

I don't see why everyone thinks the Packers have leverage. They *want Rodgers out of the building* for sure. They definitely do not want him coming to training camp, etc. I don't really think they have any leverage. That said I think it should be easy to hammer out a trade for an R2 and call it a day. There is no need to be a dingle berry, the proper thing to do would be to cut Rodgers loose like the Colts did Manning.

Packers have some leverage because they're in no hurry as long as the trade happens before the draft. The Jets and their fans on the other hand want their new QB in the building. The sooner Rodgers is a Jet the sooner they can start selling Rodgers jerseys.

[Fosco33]

I'd take a 2023 R2, R4 and a conditional 2024 R2 that becomes a R1 if Rodgers is MVP or NYJ win the SB, but voids if neither happens AND he retires after 2023.
You're trading the contract more than the player at this point.

I know people are talking about Stafford or R.Wilson levels of comp, but given he could retire at any point and his contract has so much guaranteed cash (and the NYJ cap situation) there has to be some compromises made.

I wouldn't trade Rodgers for a single R2 (or lower) pick, that's basically like if someone else tries to sign Yosh Njiman. Throw in a bunch of conditionals on the picks to protect each side.

Agree the NYJ don't have a lot of leverage and will be motivated to get this done. I highly doubt Woody Johnson is going to give everyone the middle finger and go sign Matt Ryan or Marcus Mariota at this point.

100%.

And I think it’ll happen on 6/1 and those are 2024 picks unless AR restructures so we don’t take the cap hit.

Would an immediate cap hit and another rd2 really be ‘worth’ it? What’s our exposure if he retires?

[bobblehead]

So at this point in time, Tex can channel his inner Monte Python and say "I'm not dead yet".

[bobblehead]

Meanwhile I'll channel my inner Annie Savoy and say "JH musta called him a cocksucker" Anyone?? Annie Savoy? She is the inspiration of all my Fantasy baseball teams names. "Annie Savoy's Boy Toys"

[run pMc]

Meanwhile I'll channel my inner Annie Savoy and say "JH musta called him a cocksucker" Anyone?? Annie Savoy? She is the inspiration of all my Fantasy baseball teams names. "Annie Savoy's Boy Toys"

That's a good name for a Fantasy BB team

[run pMc]

I do think GB has more leverage than NYJ:

A chunk of their fan base actively wants Woody Johnson to sell the team
Robert Saleh/Joe Douglas have a 11-23 record together and Zach Wilson as their QB. Their seats are warming up.
All this offseason cocktease with AR basically has set expectations with the fanbase
AR flat out says he wants to be a Jet

All those factors put a lot of pressure to get a deal done. If they don't they look incompetent.

GB will want to trade him before the draft, if they can't agree they also look stupid and greedy, and if there's anything GB hates it's bad PR of any kind. They are under some pressure as well but not as much.

If Rodgers isn't traded and retires before June 1 he counts $40M against the cap - same as if traded. If he retires after June 1 they can split across seasons... again, I believe that is same as if traded after June 1. As mentioned I think they get a deal done before the draft; they will want to exercise the 5th year option on Love in early May and they don't have the cap room for all this shenanigans.

It's possible Rodgers restructures his contract, but I doubt it. I think he's trying to keep things amicable but there are some hurt feelings and he's not likely to go out of his way to do GB any favors.

I'd like to see GB get as much as they can for Rodgers -- he's one of the all-time great Packers and he still has something in the tank. He'll certainly feel like he has something to prove. I'm not confident they'll pry away this year's R1 pick from the Jets, but I do think GB needs multiple picks and the more young talent they can accumulate around Jordan Love the better. If the future starts now, they better get to building it.

[jklowan]

I still think we get a 1 & a 2, I would be fine with the 1 next year. The Packers can wait as the money doesn't really effect the club this year. Giving Love the 5th year option does not effect the cap this year. The JETS are under pressure to get Rodgers in the building I would think, they saw what happen last year as did all of us, Rodgers will need time with the new wide outs or he'll have similar results as our losing record last year. My 2 cents

[Fritz]

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2023/3/16/23643131/green-bay-packers-new-york-jets-aaron-rodgers-potential-trade-compensation-update-leverage

ACME seems to think the Packers have the Jest by the balls. I do not agree. Sure, the Jets are screwed if they can't get Arod, but the Packers are screwed, too. Imagine if they can't get the trade done before the draft. Rodgers starts saying well, if he's not going to be traded, he'd like to come to camp in Green Bay. Meantime, the Packers need to pick up that fifth year option on Love in early May, and now they've got Arod echoing Brett Favre back when. That creates a financial mess - watcha going to do with two super-expensive QB's? Then there's the shitshow of Rodgers threatening to show up to camp.


I think there is significant pressure on GB to get this done.

[QBME]

So at this point in time, Tex can channel his inner Monte Python and say "I'm not dead yet".

LOL… I feel fine..

[red]

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2023/3/16/23643131/green-bay-packers-new-york-jets-aaron-rodgers-potential-trade-compensation-update-leverage

ACME seems to think the Packers have the Jest by the balls. I do not agree. Sure, the Jets are screwed if they can't get Arod, but the Packers are screwed, too. Imagine if they can't get the trade done before the draft. Rodgers starts saying well, if he's not going to be traded, he'd like to come to camp in Green Bay. Meantime, the Packers need to pick up that fifth year option on Love in early May, and now they've got Arod echoing Brett Favre back when. That creates a financial mess - watcha going to do with two super-expensive QB's? Then there's the shitshow of Rodgers threatening to show up to camp.


I think there is significant pressure on GB to get this done.



well if we can somehow drag this out to june 1st it might be really good for us

2nd round picks dont excite me at all, hold firm for that first. come draft day after the top 4 QBs are gone before the jets pick and there is nothing left on the market, they'll be crawling to us

[MadtownPacker]

HAve you thought about shopping Red to a Jets forum?
They actually signed him as a UFA. He was one of four posters Tex asked for if he was going to agree to a trade.

[Fosco33]

The strange thing is - wouldn’t a player want to be traded for the least amount of picks? Ie - more picks taken from your future team hurts your future team.

If the packers fuck around too long - AR may just go public and ask to be cut.

[Fritz]

I think that Guter needs to remember that part of the compensation will be peace of mind for the Packers.

[Upnorth]

I can't figure how I see we have leverage. We have cap issues and an incumbent qb the coaching and management side likes who will walk if we dont play him.

The whole nfl world knows this. Jets fans are gonna jet with or without 12.

Maximize cap help and take scraps imo.

[sharpe1027]

I can't figure how I see we have leverage. We have cap issues and an incumbent qb the coaching and management side likes who will walk if we dont play him.

The whole nfl world knows this. Jets fans are gonna jet with or without 12.

Maximize cap help and take scraps imo.

Both teams need this to go through, the Packers just aren't in a hurry at all.

[texaspackerbacker]

Obviously, the Packers would be better off on the now slim thread of hope that it does not go through. Gutekunst even said before the Rodgers thing on Macafee that if things fell through, Rodgers could be back as the Packers QB. THAT - obviously - is the best case scenario, albeit extremely unlikely. Anybody thinking otherwise is bonehead stupid.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I can't figure how I see we have leverage. We have cap issues and an incumbent qb the coaching and management side likes who will walk if we dont play him.

The whole nfl world knows this. Jets fans are gonna jet with or without 12.

Maximize cap help and take scraps imo.

This is the only correct take.

Jets want Rodgers. Packers need to unload Rodgers. The problem was magnified on youtube by AR's interview with the guy in the wife-beater shirt.

[sharpe1027]

This is the only correct take.

Jets want Rodgers. Packers need to unload Rodgers. The problem was magnified on youtube by AR's interview with the guy in the wife-beater shirt.

If they had no leverage, the deal would be done.

[Joemailman]

I can't figure how I see we have leverage. We have cap issues and an incumbent qb the coaching and management side likes who will walk if we dont play him.

The whole nfl world knows this. Jets fans are gonna jet with or without 12.

Maximize cap help and take scraps imo.

Packers have some temporary leverage because they're fine for now with the status quo. They have their QB. The Jets don't. There are 6 weeks to go until the draft. Packers can afford to wait and see if the Jets will cave to pressure from fans, press and players to make the trade.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Packers have some temporary leverage because they're fine for now with the status quo. They have their QB.

There is a 0% chance that management will put their hand back on the hot stove burner.

[Joemailman]

There is a 0% chance that management will put their hand back on the hot stove burner.I'm not saying that. Just that there's nothing right now to force the Packers to be in a hurry. Not until we get close to the draft.

[sharpe1027]

I'm not saying that. Just that there's nothing right now to force the Packers to be in a hurry. Not until we get close to the draft.

Yes. The leverage is in getting the deal done sooner, something that might benefit the Jets, but doesn't really matter to the Packers.

[Joemailman]

Andrew Brandt
@AndrewBrandt

Some Jets-Packers trade stuff has gone off the rails.
Some suggesting Aaron would force Packers hand by showing up at OTAs. Please.
People, this will be resolved long before that, probably within a week or two.
GB may not get much, but will be more than was offered last week.

[Bretsky]

Wilde and Tausch had some really interesting segments on this. Some points of emphasis.

The Pebble Beach comments about Rodgers flirting with the Raiders and others most likely really rubbed GB the wrong way
Mark Murphy was a major F'ck up by saying what he said in that interview
Rodgers likely did not take that well

GB most likely wants a 1st and future 2nd
Jets offering a 3rd or a 2nd if GB will eat some salary.
They'll end of meeting in the middle somehow.

GB would be smart to wait and be patient. It's not the end of the world if we get our 1st next year in addition to another pick. They are unsure if we can swipe #13

[call_me_ishmael]

I agree Mark Murphy really F’d up making those comments. He has a big mouth and says a lot of stupid shit for someone in his role.

[Fritz]

I agree Mark Murphy really F’d up making those comments. He has a big mouth and says a lot of stupid shit for someone in his role.

I agree - that was stupid, awkward, and uncalled for.

At the same time, Joe made a good point to me the other day. I'd said that Rodgers said on McAfee that he was leaning toward retirement but surprise surprise after he left his darkenss retreat he had players telling him the Packers were shopping him, and of course Rodgers painted a picture of someone who was surprised and saddened and betrayed by this.

Yet he was teasing out which fans were cheering loudest for a trade when he was in that golf tournament, which I believe was before his retreat. So his whole thing about feeling betrayed, that "something changed" with the Packer managment while he was in his retreat is, well, utter bullshit.

So I will, at this point, be glad when the trade is completed, Rodgers can become a Jet, and I only will wonder about him if there is a draft pick tied up in how well he plays for the Jets or how well they do.

I'll be ready to move on to talking about how the Green Bay rebuild is going. Though "rebuild" for a team that continues to kick the can down the road (more void years! More! This time Rasul Douglas) is an odd word. I don't know if they know what the fuck they're doing.

[King Friday]

I agree Fritz.

Rodgers is just as much to blame in the whole “divorce” as Packers brass is. To try and frame this as a “woe is me” situation really comes off all wrong. Both sides have made numerous mistakes during the past few years as the team tried to manage the final years of a HOF QB career, which normally goes off the rails at some point. It happened for Brady. It happened for Manning. It happened for Favre. It happened for Montana. The list goes on and on.

In terms of getting the deal done, I’m not sure the Packers have any way to truly gain leverage. However, as others have pointed out, the Packers are also in no rush. They don’t HAVE to make a deal, and the truth is that if they make a deal later in the off-season, it actually would benefit them. The fact is that the Jets stand to only lose leverage as time goes on. So the Jets may be right in saying compensation right now should be minimal. If the Packers had to act now, the Jets would stand to gain. However, the Packers do not have to act, and the eventual cost to the Jets will move higher and higher as we move closer to next season and they do not have a QB on their roster that they feel they can win with. It is basically a game of chicken at this point. The Packers are the train with 2 QBs. The Jets are on their bike heading toward the train with 0 QBs. In the end, the Jets are going to have to swerve, or face severe media/fan backlash.

[Sparkey]

The Packers cap benefits by the trade happening after June 1. The jets are in no position to have Rodgers miss minicamps. The less work he gets with his new team, the less impact he will have.

That is why the Packers have the leverage.

Everyone thinks if Rodgers comes back they are screwed. If they make the QB an open competition, Rodgers won't want to be back. Would Rodgers even take the chance on being a backup his last year. No way his ego let's that happen.

[texaspackerbacker]

It's not a divorce until the legalities (the trade) are done. There could/should still be some counseling, and things could get back to fine, it which case the team would be infinitely better off. I say again, I don't expect that, but it's just a glimmer of hope - the Packers' chances clinging to the rim as they are about to go down the toilet.

[MadtownPacker]

It may not be a divorce yet but this is just like when a couples go their separate ways. Separate living situation, bad mouthing each other, and causing drama.

It’s fucking great!!!!!

[texaspackerbacker]

It ain't over 'til it's over. Granted, the fat lady's getting her voice warmed up, but she ain't singing yet.

[MadtownPacker]

I agree, you are not negative at all. Way too damn optimistic but hey that’s not a bad quality. You also adapt so eventually you will warm up to Love if he is successful.

[texaspackerbacker]

a big IF ....... and it also depends how you define successful - 8/9/10 wins? 13, 14, 15 wins - the norm with Rodgers? a Super Bowl? whatever.

[MadtownPacker]

To me, success is reaching the top of the mountain. The story how you got there is only remembered and spoken of no matter how good or bad. Rodgers won 1 Superbowl and that is good enough IMO. Mission accomplished. He will always be a champion and no one can take that from him. Same with Brett and Love if he finds a way to win just 1.

[ThunderDan]

a big IF ....... and it also depends how you define successful - 8/9/10 wins? 13, 14, 15 wins - the norm with Rodgers? a Super Bowl? whatever.

So you were only Happy for 4 out of Arod's 15 seasons QBing the Pack.

[ThunderDan]

Packers Records with Arod:
2008: 6-10
2009:11-5
2010:10-6
2011:15-1
2012:11-5
2013:8-7-1
2014:12-4
2015:10-6
2016:10-6
2017:7-9
2018:6-9-1
2019:13-3
2020:13-3
2021:13-4
2022:8-9

Apparently, no where near what Tex remembers. 13, 14, 15 wins the norm.

[sharpe1027]

a big IF ....... and it also depends how you define successful - 8/9/10 wins? 13, 14, 15 wins - the norm with Rodgers? a Super Bowl? whatever.

The norm is under 13 wins by any objective measure. No wonder you are so one sided about Rodgers. You think he won more than 13 games as the norm. Your logic is flawed.

[Joemailman]

Peter Bukowski
@Peter_Bukowski

Also interesting one executive said he doesn’t think Gutekunst WANTS to trade Rodgers until post June 1 (for the cap savings) and that the Jets will have to incentivize the #Packers to do so.


Not sure if there's any validity to this, but it's an interesting take.

[sharpe1027]

Not sure if there's any validity to this, but it's an interesting take.
Spreads the cap hit out over two years, so it's not illogical.

[Joemailman]

Spreads the cap hit out over two years, so it's not illogical.

It would mean no draft picks this year from the Jets, but maybe a Jets wide receiver could be part of the package?

[sharpe1027]

It would mean no draft picks this year from the Jets, but maybe a Jets wide receiver could be part of the package?

Yeah. We'd get more value next year when the draft might be deeper. I don't fully subscribe to the amount future picks are discounted under the draft value charts. Maybe my view is colored by watching the Patriots load up on future picks every year and have success.

[red]

Not sure if there's any validity to this, but it's an interesting take.

well i fucking said that same thing the other day and no one gave 2 shits

[red]

Yeah. We'd get more value next year when the draft might be deeper. I don't fully subscribe to the amount future picks are discounted under the draft value charts. Maybe my view is colored by watching the Patriots load up on future picks every year and have success.

how?

chances are that those draft picks won't be as high as they are this year

[Rastak]

I was talking with my buddy last night. He's a Pack fan although I am positive just to be a contrarian. I mentioned the Packers have the leverage now but really, with Hackett the offense should be familiar. I totally get the Packers holding out for something good. Jets have two options as I see it.

1) Putting a full court press on getting Lamar Jackson. This might spook them into lowering demands. I doubt it. Packers brass must realize this would be a shit deal for the Jets.
2) Wait them out. It's pretty clear they want to move on.

[sharpe1027]

how?

chances are that those draft picks won't be as high as they are this year
Teams will give up higher rounds for future picks, at least that's what I've read when they do the trade values.

[Rastak]

Teams will give up higher rounds for future picks, at least that's what I've read when they do the trade values.



I believe that it true. Future draft picks are of lower value than right now from everything I have heard.

[call_me_ishmael]

OMG imagine the popcorn if the Jets ended up landing Lamar. Personally, I think that's a better play long term for them. They must still like the young buck they've got long term.

[texaspackerbacker]

The norm is under 13 wins by any objective measure. No wonder you are so one sided about Rodgers. You think he won more than 13 games as the norm. Your logic is flawed.

hahahahaha Ya'all haters just don't quit. If I'm calculating the average, I'm leaving out the three or so years where Rodgers either played hurt or missed a lot of games. Actually, if I'm into stats, I'd just total up the number or percent of wins when he played and was healthy. But whatever. The point is, they're gonna nosedive, and for ya'all that are into playoff wins, Super Bowls, and trophies, you can forget about that for a long-g-g-g time too.

[texaspackerbacker]

OMG imagine the popcorn if the Jets ended up landing Lamar. Personally, I think that's a better play long term for them. They must still like the young buck they've got long term.

Is there a rumor of this now, or what? I thought ya'll were so sure they were all in for Rodgers - 99% sure one of you said.

As much as I'd like to see a few more years with Rodgers, I'd be just fine with it if the Packers took all the draft picks they get from the Jets, trade them to the Ravens, and end up with Lamar Jackson ....... but no, that ain't gonna happen hahahaha.

[Bretsky]

hahahahaha Ya'all haters just don't quit. If I'm calculating the average, I'm leaving out the three or so years where Rodgers either played hurt or missed a lot of games. Actually, if I'm into stats, I'd just total up the number or percent of wins when he played and was healthy. But whatever. The point is, they're gonna nosedive, and for ya'all that are into playoff wins, Super Bowls, and trophies, you can forget about that for a long-g-g-g time too.


Tex Tex Tex once in a while you should just quit when you are behind :)

How many years did AROD play for GB and what percent resulted in a Super Bowl. To me that is the measurable.

And from Gutebag's side, did he feel AROD would lead them to a Super Bowl given the roster/cap space and other implications. If the answer is no, then you move on IMO.

[sharpe1027]

hahahahaha Ya'all haters just don't quit. If I'm calculating the average, I'm leaving out the three or so years where Rodgers either played hurt or missed a lot of games. Actually, if I'm into stats, I'd just total up the number or percent of wins when he played and was healthy. But whatever. The point is, they're gonna nosedive, and for ya'all that are into playoff wins, Super Bowls, and trophies, you can forget about that for a long-g-g-g time too.

His win percentage would put him at about 11 wins per year. You're welcome.

[run pMc]

For the NYJ to get Lamar, they'd have to
(1) figure out a way to sign Lamar to a contract both he wants and the Jets could fit under their cap.
(2) have the Ravens NOT say "thanks for doing our negotiating work for us, we can match that."
(3) give up multiple first round picks

Super unlikely. The QB market has dried up, are the Jets going to sign Matt Ryan? Give up picks to trade up, draft Levis and hope he pans out quickly enough to save Saleh and Douglas (who will be on the hotseat no matter what)? Have Zach Wilson start again?
Jets have painted themselves into a corner. Gutekunst has leverage, but honestly I think he needs to act soon -- some unexpected event could swing the opposite way fast.

[Rastak]

For the NYJ to get Lamar, they'd have to
(1) figure out a way to sign Lamar to a contract both he wants and the Jets could fit under their cap.
(2) have the Ravens NOT say "thanks for doing our negotiating work for us, we can match that."
(3) give up multiple first round picks

Super unlikely. The QB market has dried up, are the Jets going to sign Matt Ryan? Give up picks to trade up, draft Levis and hope he pans out quickly enough to save Saleh and Douglas (who will be on the hotseat no matter what)? Have Zach Wilson start again?
Jets have painted themselves into a corner. Gutekunst has leverage, but honestly I think he needs to act soon -- some unexpected event could swing the opposite way fast.

I think that's a fair analysis. It also depends on how much Green Bay wants picks for this years draft to beef things up for Love. Jets could stall past the draft.

[RashanGary]

Jets fans are simultaneously saying they’re on of a handful of SB favorites with Rodgers and that he’s not worth more than a 3rd.

[texaspackerbacker]

Frankly, I don't give a damn whether the Jets can get L. Jackson except if it causes them to stop negotiating to trade for Rodgers.

As I said, I wouldn't mind seeing the Packers end up with Jackson - which is almost certainly not gonna happen.

[red]

Jets fans are simultaneously saying they’re on of a handful of SB favorites with Rodgers and that he’s not worth more than a 3rd.

yeah, isn't that wonderful?

but new york fans are just fucked in the head to begin with

they still owe us for just giving favre to them for next to nothing. not our fault they couldn't keep him

[Joemailman]

https://i.imgflip.com/7fccno.jpg

[red]

You’d think the jets would have asked about the compensation before asking to talk to him

I could see it going like

Jets- what would it take

Pack-2 first

Jets -can we talk to him

Pack- sure

Jets- ok, he’s in. We’ll give you a 4th next year

Pack - get fucked. We said 2 1sts

Jets- that’s insane!!!!

[run pMc]

I think that's a fair analysis. It also depends on how much Green Bay wants picks for this years draft to beef things up for Love. Jets could stall past the draft.

Honestly, I'd almost prefer picks in next year's draft. If Love falls on his face, more picks = more ammo to move up for Caleb Williams or Drake May. (Very rarely does a good QB fall outside the top 10 of the draft.)
I know he's a 4 time MVP and all that stuff, but you're trading the contract as much as the player. Jalen Ramsey got a 3rd round pick! He's 28 and still a very good CB.

I'd honestly be ok with the Jets keeping their 2023 R1 pick if they are so attached to it. I'd want the equivalent of it though (i.e., a R2 and R3) or more picks next year to account for it. I've also seen pick swaps, conditionals, player swaps, etc. I'd keep all the options open, but I'd trade him for a 2023 R2, 2023 R3, and a 2024 conditional R2. If they can't get R1 picks, get as many Day 2 picks as possible.

[Fritz]

Honestly, I'd almost prefer picks in next year's draft. If Love falls on his face, more picks = more ammo to move up for Caleb Williams or Drake May. (Very rarely does a good QB fall outside the top 10 of the draft.)
I know he's a 4 time MVP and all that stuff, but you're trading the contract as much as the player. Jalen Ramsey got a 3rd round pick! He's 28 and still a very good CB.

I'd honestly be ok with the Jets keeping their 2023 R1 pick if they are so attached to it. I'd want the equivalent of it though (i.e., a R2 and R3) or more picks next year to account for it. I've also seen pick swaps, conditionals, player swaps, etc. I'd keep all the options open, but I'd trade him for a 2023 R2, 2023 R3, and a 2024 conditional R2. If they can't get R1 picks, get as many Day 2 picks as possible.

I'm on board with this thinking. From the Jets' perspective, an understandable one, they're about to, appear to be about to, invest a lot of money and resources into a guy they know will only play one, maybe two more years. So their window won't be open for long as far as tying their fate to Roders, which means they're going to want that #1 pick this year, just because that pick is more likely to be someone who can have an immediate impact than, say, an equally physically gifted but not as developed guy you might get in the second or third round.

So let them keep that pick, get a second or third this year from them, but make next year's pick from the Jets be that first rounder, and not conditional. IF things go the way the Jets hope they do, that'll be the 32nd pick of the first round. But that's no sure thing; it's statistically more likely to be a pick in the mid- to upper-twenties. Which the Packers could use in a package to move up next year if they need to find a QB. And if they like Love, well, then they get more weapons for the following year, when Love will have a year as a starter under his belt and will be ready to lead the Pack into the playoffs.

[texaspackerbacker]

You’d think the jets would have asked about the compensation before asking to talk to him

I could see it going like

Jets- what would it take

Pack-2 first

Jets -can we talk to him

Pack- sure

Jets- ok, he’s in. We’ll give you a 4th next year

Pack - get fucked. We said 2 1sts

Jets- that’s insane!!!!

HOPEFULLY you're right, and nobody has any compromise in their hearts, and nothing comes of the trade shit and the Packers have a great '23 season and maybe beyond WITH Rodgers, but that hope is still pretty much a longshot.

[SudsMcBucky]

I actually think the fucks with the Jets think they're gonna steal AR with a low-ball offer like they did with Favre. If I'm Gute, I'm telling them to fuck off.

[RashanGary]

(Very rarely does a good QB fall outside the top 10 of the draft.)


Lamar Jackson 32nd pick
Patrick Mahommes 10th pick
Tom Brady 199th pick
Russell Wilson 75th pick
Aaron Rodgers 24th pick
Brett Favre 33rd pick
Drew Brees 32nd pick
Ben Rothlisberger 11th pick
Jalen Hurts 53rd pick

Peyton Manning 1st pick
Eli Manning 1st pick
Phillip Rivers 4th pick
Matt Ryan 3rd pick
Matt Stafford 1st pick
Joe Burrow 1st pick
Josh Allen 7th pick
Justin Herbert 6th pick


Recent passing leaders and best young QBs averaged pick 18 in the draft. I took Tom Brady out because that’s an anomaly.

[RashanGary]

10 of those 17 came in the top 11 picks.
3 were the first pick

[bobblehead]

You’d think the jets would have asked about the compensation before asking to talk to him

I could see it going like

Jets- what would it take

Pack-2 first

Jets -can we talk to him

Pack- sure

Jets- ok, he’s in. We’ll give you a 4th next year

Pack - get fucked. We said 2 1sts

Jets- that’s insane!!!!

Red, you just described way too many of the negotiations in my life. Sometimes it was "I won't be available on sundays.". Then 2 weeks in, "we really need you available on sundays"

Then a look of shock when I say no.

[RashanGary]

You’re most likely to land a top QB in the first 11 picks, but picks 12 through 100 give you a decent shot too.

[RashanGary]

4 top QBs were selected at 1 overall - 23%
2 were selected between 2 and 4 - 12%
2 were selected between 5 and 7 - 12%
2 were selected between 8 and 11 - 12%


10 top QBs were selected in the top 11 - 59%
4 were selected between 12 and 33 - 23%
2 were selected between 34 and 75 - 12%
1 was selected between 76 and 200 - 6%

[jklowan]

So the JETS just acquired a 2nd round pick for E Moore, hopefully that is coming to us this year and we get the 1 next year

[Joemailman]

Jets made a trade and now have picks 42 and 43. Could this be the trade for Rodgers?

[RashanGary]

So the JETS just acquired a 2nd round pick for E Moore, hopefully that is coming to us this year and we get the 1 next year

Picks 42 and 43 equal out to pick 17 on the trade value chart. Maybe they really want 13 and would give up the two seconds.

[sharpe1027]

Rodgers just isn't into you Tex. He doesn't want to be a Packer and the only way it happens he plays for them at this point is if he's just showing up and collecting a paycheck.

[Sparkey]

Getting two 2nds would be really nice. Three top 50 picks.

[RashanGary]

Getting two 2nds would be really nice. Three top 50 picks.

I think it would be 4. We have the 15 and 45 I believe and we’d add the 42 and 43. I kinda like that better than 13 anyway.

[MadtownPacker]

Rodgers just isn't into you Tex. He doesn't want to be a Packer and the only way it happens he plays for them at this point is if he's just showing up and collecting a paycheck.He broke up with TPB for this:

https://hollywoodlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/mallory-edens-5-things-to-know-ss-vertical.jpg

[texaspackerbacker]

Rodgers just isn't into you Tex. He doesn't want to be a Packer and the only way it happens he plays for them at this point is if he's just showing up and collecting a paycheck.

And you're not a damn hater ...... yeah right.

Amazing how knownothings think they actually know what's in the guy's head.

[Bretsky]

Jets made a trade and now have picks 42 and 43. Could this be the trade for Rodgers?


Packers get pick #13, a Jets 2nd round pick, and next year's second in exchange for pick 17 and KAREN

[Fritz]

Packers get pick #13, a Jets 2nd round pick, and next year's second in exchange for pick 17 and KAREN

So, people, what would you prefer: Bretsky's scenario or the two Jets' second round picks as described earlier?

You want to move up a couple spots in the first and get an added second, or just have the two seconds?

[jklowan]

I would take the 2 seconds this year if there is another pick coming for next next year, preferably another 2nd

[Joemailman]

I think it's unlikely the Packers can get the 13th pick. Can't really blame the Jets for not wanting to give it up given the uncertainty of how long Rodgers will play. The fact that the Jets are apparently the only team interested in Rodgers hurts the Packers here.

[Sparkey]

I think it would be 4. We have the 15 and 45 I believe and we’d add the 42 and 43. I kinda like that better than 13 anyway.

You are correct RG, I completely forgot about their own 2nd.

[run pMc]

I would take the 2 seconds this year if there is another pick coming for next next year, preferably another 2nd

Agree. 2 R2 this year is good draft ammo. If they threw in next years R2 and put conditionals on it that's ok.
Rodgers the player is worth more, but Rodgers' contract and likely 1-2 year rental is probably not.

I think next year's draft will be better overall but there will be some good players available on Day 2 this year.

[sharpe1027]

And you're not a damn hater ...... yeah right.

Amazing how knownothings think they actually know what's in the guy's head.
I'm going by what Rodgers said. You're the one that's been going on about what Rodgers and the Packers have been thinking. Hilarious.

[RashanGary]

Agree. 2 R2 this year is good draft ammo. If they threw in next years R2 and put conditionals on it that's ok.
Rodgers the player is worth more, but Rodgers' contract and likely 1-2 year rental is probably not.

I think next year's draft will be better overall but there will be some good players available on Day 2 this year.

Next years round 1 would be nice too. I think it’s you who mentioned that if love stinks, having two firsts next year and a chance to move up in a good QB class is kind of ideal.

I know everyone is thinking we’re gonna get a haul, but I think pick 43 or next years first is about the best we can hope for.

[Fritz]

Next year's first, even if it's in the mid-twenties, would be a nice haul if they could add one of the Jets' second-rounders this year.

[run pMc]

Next years round 1 would be nice too. I think it’s you who mentioned that if love stinks, having two firsts next year and a chance to move up in a good QB class is kind of ideal.

I know everyone is thinking we’re gonna get a haul, but I think pick 43 or next years first is about the best we can hope for.

Yeah, I think Caleb Williams or Drake Mays are at least as good as these guys if not (possibly much) better, and there will always be somebody coming out of left field who sets CFB on fire. Maybe Michael Penix, dunno. I think no matter what they will exercise the 5th year option on JL and even if he stinks on ice they have him under contract to trot out there while they draft and bring the next guy along. (I don't think JL will stink.)

Right now they need to focus on surrounding Love with a good OL and skill players, and acquiring as much young talent via Day 1-2 picks (or getting lucky on Day 3) while they unwind from their cap mess. By 2025 they should be in pretty good shape and if JL is any good they could have a window open for a strong playoff run. Starting now it's about developing young players into playmakers and shedding bad contracts.

[red]

so

the jets thought that a player who was in the league for 2 years and demanded to be traded after doing not so much in those 2 years was worth a high second round pick

but the QB who is one year removed from his 4th MVP and who everyone in new york thinks is the final piece to winning a super bowl isn't worth a 1st?

fuck the jets, take them to the fucking cleaners

i'll take their 2 second rounders, but i want a future 1st also if he plays more then 1 season

[Rastak]

so

the jets thought that a player who was in the league for 2 years and demanded to be traded after doing not so much in those 2 years was worth a high second round pick

but the QB who is one year removed from his 4th MVP and who everyone in new york thinks is the final piece to winning a super bowl isn't worth a 1st?

fuck the jets, take them to the fucking cleaners

i'll take their 2 second rounders, but i want a future 1st also if he plays more then 1 season


To play devils advocate, here is a 40yo that seemed to decline and has said publicly he had one foot in retirement this offseason. How much is realistic? It's tricky hence why it isn't done.

[MadScientist]

To play devils advocate, here is a 40yo that seemed to decline and has said publicly he had one foot in retirement this offseason. How much is realistic? It's tricky hence why it isn't done.

Yep, that's pretty much what the Pack-a-Day podcast was saying as well. Given the contract and the possibility of Rodgers not playing more than one year, normally that wouldn't bring much in return, but Rodgers has the potential to take the Jets from missing the playoffs to playing for the Super Bowl, and that's worth a lot. Both teams need this trade to go through so there isn't really much leverage either way.

[Rastak]

Yep, that's pretty much what the Pack-a-Day podcast was saying as well. Given the contract and the possibility of Rodgers not playing more than one year, normally that wouldn't bring much in return, but Rodgers has the potential to take the Jets from missing the playoffs to playing for the Super Bowl, and that's worth a lot. Both teams need this trade to go through so there isn't really much leverage either way.

I can't argue with any of that. All true.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm going by what Rodgers said. You're the one that's been going on about what Rodgers and the Packers have been thinking. Hilarious.

What did I ever say that remotely was that? I said he's highly unlikely to walk away from $59 million. Is that what you have in mind?

[texaspackerbacker]

Yep, that's pretty much what the Pack-a-Day podcast was saying as well. Given the contract and the possibility of Rodgers not playing more than one year, normally that wouldn't bring much in return, but Rodgers has the potential to take the Jets from missing the playoffs to playing for the Super Bowl, and that's worth a lot. Both teams need this trade to go through so there isn't really much leverage either way.

Correct about what it means to the Jets, but the Packers need for it to NOT go through in order to not go right down the drain.

[sharpe1027]

What did I ever say that remotely was that? I said he's highly unlikely to walk away from $59 million. Is that what you have in mind?

-
I'm fairly sure Rodgers knows he's staying and the Packer brass know he is staying. Rodgers is just stringing along the media shitheads and anybody dumb enough to swallow the media shit.

I'm completely confident that I'm aligned with the thinking of the Packer brass on this topic -
--
I say again, Rodgers isn't gonna be traded, and he isn't gonna retire. If they did want to trade him - which they obviously don't, he wouldn't have much say about where he would go, except maybe to threaten retirement - which clearly would be throwing away so much money that it would be significant even to somebody as rich as he is. All of this trade talk is just ludicrous.

[texaspackerbacker]

-
I'm fairly sure Rodgers knows he's staying and the Packer brass know he is staying. Rodgers is just stringing along the media shitheads and anybody dumb enough to swallow the media shit.

I'm completely confident that I'm aligned with the thinking of the Packer brass on this topic -
--
I say again, Rodgers isn't gonna be traded, and he isn't gonna retire. If they did want to trade him - which they obviously don't, he wouldn't have much say about where he would go, except maybe to threaten retirement - which clearly would be throwing away so much money that it would be significant even to somebody as rich as he is. All of this trade talk is just ludicrous.

The most intelligent sounding post I've seen in here in quite a while hahahaha.

I already copped to being wrong - seemingly anyway - about the trade. Rodgers stringing along the media shitheads? I stand by that - he said as much.

[sharpe1027]

The most intelligent sounding post I've seen in here in quite a while hahahaha.

I already copped to being wrong - seemingly anyway - about the trade. Rodgers stringing along the media shitheads? I stand by that - he said as much.

You asked for examples of where you were claiming to know what Rodgers and the Packers were thinking. I provided them. You hypocritical shithead.

[Fritz]

You asked for examples of where you were claiming to know what Rodgers and the Packers were thinking. I provided them. You hypocritical shithead.

Sharpe, you know it's like arguing with a wall.

So let's get this back on track. Hey, Tex, so what do you think the Packers will get for Rodgers, man? Rodgers said he wants to play for the Jets, and it's all done but the compensation, so what do you think the Packers will get for Rodgers???

[RashanGary]

Sharpe, you know it's like arguing with a wall.

So let's get this back on track. Hey, Tex, so what do you think the Packers will get for Rodgers, man? Rodgers said he wants to play for the Jets, and it's all done but the compensation, so what do you think the Packers will get for Rodgers???

The goat who will play like a goat for 4-10 more years? Clearly 3 firsts and probably more.

[sharpe1027]

Sharpe, you know it's like arguing with a wall.

So let's get this back on track. Hey, Tex, so what do you think the Packers will get for Rodgers, man? Rodgers said he wants to play for the Jets, and it's all done but the compensation, so what do you think the Packers will get for Rodgers???

Yeah. I know, but sometimes I can't help myself.

[sharpe1027]

The goat who will play like a goat for 4-10 more years? Clearly 3 firsts and probably more.

Per Tex, it's so obvious to anyone that's not a shithead Rodgers hater that he's going to play for 5 more years at a near MVP level. He's got to be worth more than that.

[texaspackerbacker]

Another excellent job of quoting hahahaha.

[Fritz]

Well, Tex, answer the question: what do you think the Packers will get for Rodgers?

[Bretsky]

HERE IS WHAT I WANT TO OFFER TO TAKE FOR KAREN

Green Bay traded Karen for a 2023 2nd rounder, and a 2024 1st rounder. That is equivalent to 2 second round picks, and I think the Jets might go for that given they expect to draft near the bottom of the round next year. I like the idea of having two 1st round picks in 2024. Let's figure out what we have with Love this year. I am fine getting a deferred pick or two

I don't think da Jets are giving up #13, and for the record I have NO problem at all calling their bluff and letting this staredown go til training camp.

Clearly GuteBag F'cked up royally several times in the past two years. That includes:

* Not resigning Devante Adams with a year left on his deal when he wanted to sign with GB; sounds like they were 2,000,000 apart. He ended up getting way way more
* Not trading Karen for a shitload of draft picks, thinking they could keep him and win a Super Bowl
* Last, but maybe not least, giving AROD everything he wanted in a deal great for Karen and not for Green Bay
* In addition, not clearly articulating to Karen his expectations that he come back to the all in mentality that he bantered about in interviews at the end of the season. There was a disconnect IMO and that is on Gutebag


With having several motherload of f'ck ups by Gute, I don't wanna see another one. I think the Jets are offering a 3rd as is or a 2nd only if GB easts more of the contract. That is unaccepteable. Gutebag needs to try to get fair value, at least.

[texaspackerbacker]

Well, Tex, answer the question: what do you think the Packers will get for Rodgers?

I'd rather say what SHOULD the Packers get - if there is a trade, which at this point, even I have to say is highly probable, although there's still a very slim thread of hope it will all fall through. SHOULD: at least two #1s and probably a little more besides. What WILL they get? If the Packer brass is as stupidly hung up on making a trade/moving on from Rodgers as most of ya'all in here seem to think/want, then they might be the ones to blink and give the Jets a bargain. The fact that no trade has been made says IMO that they are asking for at very least one #1. Sadly, my best guess would be that the trade eventually does go through, maybe not until after the draft, and we get a #2 and #3 in '24 with an additional #2 for each additional #2 for each year Rodgers plays beyond the first year. I suppose that would make ya'all stupidly happy, at least until ya'all wake up and see the Packers floundering with maybe 5 or 6 wins while Rodgers is playing MVP quality for the Jets.

You asked, I answered - as I literally always do, when so many others do not.

[sharpe1027]

It's not us that want the trade, Tex. It's Rodgers.

[Fritz]

Well, Tex, you did answer. You did.

As always, there's the "before the draft" impression of the deal: "Two first rounders! Wow! Cool!" or "Only a third and a second? Sheesh."

The after the draft - as in, two or three years after - can change that. IF the Packers get two first rounders, and one is Datone Jones and the other is Darnell Savage, then ugh. IF the Packers get only a third and second, and one is Davante Adams and the other is Elgton Jenkins, then cool.

[texaspackerbacker]

That's the problem with getting draft pick(s) for a known superstar, Fritz. It's a crap shoot, and usually a losing one. BTW, I didn't say they'd get 2 first rounders if they traded him before the draft if that's what you're saying. I just said SHOULD get 2 first rounders.

Sharpe, so you're now saying you don't want a Rodgers trade? Wow, talk about breaking news hahahaha. I'm generally too lazy to go back and dig up people's posts, but I'm pretty sure even before that sad day on McAfee when Rodgers said that, a LOT of haters or whatever in here were clamoring for trading him.

So if Rodgers came out and said he would be happy to stay with the Packers either because the trade falls through or he just says it, and then the trade falls through, you'd be happy with that? Did you just come out of the darkness, or what? I welcome you to the light, but I bet most of the ya'all crowd stupidly disagree with you.

[sharpe1027]

Tex, you only hear what you want to hear, you shithead.

[MadScientist]

Correct about what it means to the Jets, but the Packers need for it to NOT go through in order to not go right down the drain.

If the Packers needed this trade to fall through, they would not have given the Jets permission to talk, and it would have been Gute, Murphy, and MLF traveling out there fluffing him so that he would come back. The Packers are convinced that they need to move on from Rodgers, and therefore they need to get this trade done. There's a small chance for Rodgers winning the SB with the Jets, but no chance if he's back with the Packers. The situation will be bad and the season will implode.

As for what they should get, both seconds this year, and a conditional second next year if he plays on would be decent enough. If they can get more, great. It's unfortunate that there isn't another team involved to get the bidding higher.

[texaspackerbacker]

When I say NEED, I mean that's the only way the future is not extremely bleak - if the trade falls through and Rodgers stays a Packer.

[Fosco33]

There’s no way Rodgers plays again for the Pack

[texaspackerbacker]

I put it at just 10-15%, BUT if the trade does fall through, I put it at 97-100%.

[Fosco33]

If trade falls through I’d say 90% he retires

[bobblehead]

HERE IS WHAT I WANT TO OFFER TO TAKE FOR KAREN

Green Bay traded Karen for a 2023 2nd rounder, and a 2024 1st rounder. That is equivalent to 2 second round picks, and I think the Jets might go for that given they expect to draft near the bottom of the round next year. I like the idea of having two 1st round picks in 2024. Let's figure out what we have with Love this year. I am fine getting a deferred pick or two

I don't think da Jets are giving up #13, and for the record I have NO problem at all calling their bluff and letting this staredown go til training camp.

Clearly GuteBag F'cked up royally several times in the past two years. That includes:

* Not resigning Devante Adams with a year left on his deal when he wanted to sign with GB; sounds like they were 2,000,000 apart. He ended up getting way way more
* Not trading Karen for a shitload of draft picks, thinking they could keep him and win a Super Bowl
* Last, but maybe not least, giving AROD everything he wanted in a deal great for Karen and not for Green Bay
* In addition, not clearly articulating to Karen his expectations that he come back to the all in mentality that he bantered about in interviews at the end of the season. There was a disconnect IMO and that is on Gutebag


With having several motherload of f'ck ups by Gute, I don't wanna see another one. I think the Jets are offering a 3rd as is or a 2nd only if GB easts more of the contract. That is unaccepteable. Gutebag needs to try to get fair value, at least.

Focusing just on the trade part of your post I agree Gutes needs to stand strong on this one. The packers currently have 2 starting QBs on their roster while the Jets have none. People who think we have no leverage forget that point. I would also open talks with other teams (particularly SF). I would tell Rodgers that if he sinks talks with other teams he is welcome back next season. I wouldn't threaten him or say he's going to be the backup, but I would have Love ready at moments notice if Rodgers isn't productive. I would rather get nothing than a lone second to be honest.

[bobblehead]

Next year's first, even if it's in the mid-twenties, would be a nice haul if they could add one of the Jets' second-rounders this year.

I wouldn't even mind if the first was conditional on Rodgers being on an NFL roster at any point in 2024. I know the jets wouldn't be happy that its not conditional on him being a Jet, but they would have him, under contract, so its on them to make sure it would be with them.

On the other hand if Rodgers is one and done, getting a second for him would probably be fair.

[bobblehead]

To play devils advocate, here is a 40yo that seemed to decline and has said publicly he had one foot in retirement this offseason. How much is realistic? It's tricky hence why it isn't done.

I want to be the 49ers. They get a 2nd for a journeyman QB they benched (alex smith). They get 3rds streaming in every year because they refuse to promote their own minority coaches and scouts while other teams actually give them the roles they deserve. The NFL seems to be a very weird place when it comes to draft comp. Seems like when GB loses guys for 10+ mil a year its worth a 5th, but when more favored cities lose similar talent its worth a 3rd. Now we have a guy who won 2 of the last 3 MVPs and people think his value is the same as Alex Smith earlier in his non spectacular career. I'll also point out that when you trade for anyone you have to give him a marquee contract. In this case Rodgers isn't asking for a new deal like Khalil Mack was....and how many seasons did Mack give Chicago after that trade? If Rodgers gives them 3 top 5QB seasons shouldn't we get 2 firsts at least? Shouldn't this entire deal be a huge contingency deal?

[bobblehead]

It's not us that want the trade, Tex. It's Rodgers.

Now, in fairness, thats simply not true.

[bobblehead]

There’s no way Rodgers plays again for the Pack

I'm also not 100% convinced that is true. 98%, but not 100.

[Rastak]

I'm also not 100% convinced that is true. 98%, but not 100.


He'd be pissed, you'd see him when required by contract. He stand to make a shit ton of money.

[MadScientist]

If trade falls through I’d say 90% he retires

No, if it falls through, he's going to fuck the Packers over for the 60M, and likely cause them to lose Love. He might even play one more season after that, because the Packers will cut him before paying the additional 40M, and he will go somewhere else with the Packers getting nothing but a cap hit. Leading to at least five painful years rebuilding.

[Joemailman]

The Packers are going to get a 2nd round pick in 2023 and a conditional pick in 2024.

[texaspackerbacker]

hahahahahaha It sounds like the haters and imbeciles are getting worried.

[sharpe1027]

Now, in fairness, thats simply not true.

What are you talking about? Rodgers said he intends to play for the Jets. Most posters here are reasonable and aren't dead set on a trade because they recognize Rodgers gives the Packers the best chance of winning this year. Tex assumes anyone that even mentions benefits of a trade hates Rodgers because Tex is a shithead Packer fan hater.

[Joemailman]

I think most people here feel it is best to move forward with Love even if it means fewer wins in 2023. Although I don't think most feel that is a given. I think people remember the Packers were 6-10 Rodgers' first season as a starter, but were Super Bowl Champs just 2 years later.

[Fritz]

Focusing just on the trade part of your post I agree Gutes needs to stand strong on this one. The packers currently have 2 starting QBs on their roster while the Jets have none. People who think we have no leverage forget that point. I would also open talks with other teams (particularly SF). I would tell Rodgers that if he sinks talks with other teams he is welcome back next season. I wouldn't threaten him or say he's going to be the backup, but I would have Love ready at moments notice if Rodgers isn't productive. I would rather get nothing than a lone second to be honest.

The problem with this line is that you seem to think that that's a good thing, but in this particular case, it's not a good thing at all. IF Rodgers somehow ends up not being traded, what do you do with him? Especially if he keeps on about still having the competetive fires burning, and all of that. At this point the bridges have been burned, don't you think? Can anyone imagine Rodgers coming back to the Packers and all is well? That even though they haven't signed a single one of the amigos Rodgers wanted, even though the team has been clear they're ready to move on (no matter how they spin it), Rodgers will come back and be a good team guy, taking part in the non-mandatory stuff, going "all in," as the team suggested it needed from him? Does anyone really think that would happen? And then you're going to totally piss off the guy you've proclaimed as your future.

I do not think that it's a better position than the Jets have.

[texaspackerbacker]

bobblehead is right, and Fritz is wrong here - of course. If the trade falls through - still a beautiful longshot at this point, Rodgers will be back, and he will certainly be all in. $59 million and a few kind words will douse any burning bridges, if indeed they were ever burning just because media shitheads spew crap saying so.

And leverage? The fact that the guy is under contract rules the situation.

[bobblehead]

What are you talking about? Rodgers said he intends to play for the Jets. Most posters here are reasonable and aren't dead set on a trade because they recognize Rodgers gives the Packers the best chance of winning this year. Tex assumes anyone that even mentions benefits of a trade hates Rodgers because Tex is a shithead Packer fan hater.

Without addressing your beef with tex you said its Rodgers that wants a trade, not us. I'm assuming you mean the team by us, not posters here. The team wants to move on as well at this point. Its Love time. Its MiLF true offense time. Its cap rebuild time.

[bobblehead]

Fritz, its never as bad as perceived from the outside. I think if the jets won't make a fair offer then calling Rodgers and insisting we always wanted him back, and we obviously value him more than the jets cuz we won't give him away would work out just fine. We could also tell him that if he doesn't want to come back we will open talks with SF.

[Fritz]

Fritz, its never as bad as perceived from the outside. I think if the jets won't make a fair offer then calling Rodgers and insisting we always wanted him back, and we obviously value him more than the jets cuz we won't give him away would work out just fine. We could also tell him that if he doesn't want to come back we will open talks with SF.

Couple things: first, I acknowledge that you (and Tex in this particular case) have a point: organizations backtrack all the time and pretend they're not backtracking. So it's conceivable Rodgers comes back. You guys are right on that.

But then what do you do about Jordan Love? IF Rodgers is once again going to be The Guy, are you going to let Love walk? Are you going to give him the fifth year contract and tie up a bazillion dollars in two QB's? Are you going to sign him to a long-term deal without really knowing for sure what you've got? Are you willing to go into next offseason and do this all again, for the third year in a row, except this time if Rodgers retires, you don't have anyone waiting in the wings?

I have also wondered if the Jets are thinking along these lines - cuz how could they not? If they really really don't want to part with that first rounder this year, do you simply put the trade on hold until after the draft? Rodgers's boy wonder Alan Lazard has already gone on record saying Rodgers won't need a bunch of time to get acclimated since he already knows Hackett's system, so he's set the stage for Rodgers not "needing" to be in for OTA's and all that. If the Jets simply wait the Packers out, they won't be trading any of this year's picks at all, so they can load up. Then you've got the Packers in a bit of a bind, so they have to take next year's pick, which the Jets are imagining is going to be #32 or near that.

[texaspackerbacker]

Without addressing your beef with tex you said its Rodgers that wants a trade, not us. I'm assuming you mean the team by us, not posters here. The team wants to move on as well at this point. Its Love time. Its MiLF true offense time. Its cap rebuild time.

I'm assuming also you mean the team, although I was at least as much referring to posters who so inexplicably crave going into mediocrity mode. When you say "team", also, I assume you mean Gutekunst and probably Murphy. I doubt LaFleur is very much on board with the stupidity, and I very much doubt any or many of the players have that dumbass mindset. I've seen various crap written about "LaFleur's offense". His offense, it seems, is reactive, not proactive. LaFleur was wise enough to subordinate his ego all through the time he has had Rodgers, doing what worked best and won games using the tools he had. Yeah, without Rodgers, he'd undoubtedly need to run more, but I doubt he'd be very pleased to basically have less effective tools than in the past i.e. Rodgers gone.

And "cap rebuild time" time? A big no way to that, although as I have said, if Rodgers is gone, neither that nor anything else much matters anyway.

[run pMc]

Rodgers says he intends to play for the NYJ. I don't think he's coming back to GB and wearing the G&G.
Yes, the Jets could back out but it would be a messy backtrack. I think it's 99.9% a done deal.

This could easily drag on until offseason workouts start in mid April. Should it go past then the draft is in late April. After that people are going to get very restless, and a deal could fall apart or another team could swoop in and offer something for Rodgers, but I think the Jets are the destination. I don't see GB backing out on JL and going back to AR, not with all the camp drama and cap mess that would create.

I'm thinking early April things heat up and something gets done.

[sharpe1027]

Without addressing your beef with tex you said its Rodgers that wants a trade, not us. I'm assuming you mean the team by us, not posters here. The team wants to move on as well at this point. Its Love time. Its MiLF true offense time. Its cap rebuild time.

I'm not the team, can't speak for them. I was talking about the posters in response to Tex calling everyone else shitheads and other similar jabs at the rest of us.

[texaspackerbacker]

Wow, we actually agree on something hahahahaha - that it was posters in here (not so much fans in general) more so than the team that inexplicably want the trade to go through, along with the inevitable slide to mediocrity that will bring. And yeah, craving that is definitely shitheadedness.

[SudsMcBucky]

Rodgers says he intends to play for the NYJ. I don't think he's coming back to GB and wearing the G&G.
Yes, the Jets could back out but it would be a messy backtrack. I think it's 99.9% a done deal.

This could easily drag on until offseason workouts start in mid April. Should it go past then the draft is in late April. After that people are going to get very restless, and a deal could fall apart or another team could swoop in and offer something for Rodgers, but I think the Jets are the destination. I don't see GB backing out on JL and going back to AR, not with all the camp drama and cap mess that would create.

I'm thinking early April things heat up and something gets done.

If the Jets back out, there will be a HUGE backlash from their fan base. They're just playing hardball thinking they're gonna steal AR from us like they did Favre for peanuts. And AR is worth a lot more that BF was at his point in his career.

[MadScientist]

If the Jets back out, there will be a HUGE backlash from their fan base. They're just playing hardball thinking they're gonna steal AR from us like they did Favre for peanuts. And AR is worth a lot more that BF was at his point in his career.

Except Favre lead the Packers to the NFCC game the season before he was traded, and Rodgers was subpar last year. Yes, injuries were a big part of it, but it's still the last thing everybody saw with him.

[sharpe1027]

Wow, we actually agree on something hahahahaha - that it was posters in here (not so much fans in general) more so than the team that inexplicably want the trade to go through, along with the inevitable slide to mediocrity that will bring. And yeah, craving that is definitely shitheadedness.

The number one person that wants the trade is Rodgers. What a shithead.

[Fritz]

Sharpe, I'd say the Packers are equally motivated to trade Rodgers as Rodgers is to be traded. From what I can gather, somewhere along the way after the season they decided it was time to move on - I'm guessing Rodgers was pressing his demands about who he wanted back, and the team just didn't want to go down that road again.

[sharpe1027]

Sharpe, I'd say the Packers are equally motivated to trade Rodgers as Rodgers is to be traded. From what I can gather, somewhere along the way after the season they decided it was time to move on - I'm guessing Rodgers was pressing his demands about who he wanted back, and the team just didn't want to go down that road again.

They certainly are now that Rodgers says he wants the trade.

Were they similarly motivated before that happened? It's plausible but not confirmed. All we know is they haven't said that publicly and they didn't come out and say it to Rodgers either. They just said it to Rodgers "in so many words." Which could be interpreted many different ways.

[run pMc]

I think it's like Game of Thrones politicking - when you're on top and the MVP you can make people grovel and trade for Cobb to please you, but if you then go and miss wide open WRs and go 8-9 you can bet someone is coming to kill you in your sleep.
Boy, that was a mixed up metaphor.

Basically, they put up with him for as long as he was playing like an MVP. Epitome of the saying that "the NFL is a 'what have you done for me lately' league".

Now that Rodgers has said he wants to be a Jet and the Jets brass have gone out and visited him and signed Lazard, they've already squeezed the toothpaste out of the tube. It's not going back in.

Tex, what makes you think they will be indefinitely mediocre? Lots of different teams have won 10+ games in the league in the last 10 years. Over the last 4 seasons 10, 13, 12, and 9 teams won double digit games. The team isn't run like the Bengals or Raiders.

[RashanGary]

Gutey said that he tried contacting Rodgers several times this offseason and he wouldn’t pick up the phone or call back. So gutey had to move on and do his job. Per Matt Schneidman.

[RashanGary]

It reeks of the Favre situation where Favre was doing his usual off season routine of staying away and saying he’s not sure…. They put up with it until Rodgers was ready and then they twisted Favre’s actions into a big drama where Favre did it to himself.

They’re just done with 12 and ready for 10. If they weren’t ready for 10, they woulda put up with another offseason of Rodgers usual stuff.

[RashanGary]

On a more positive note, them going out of their way to cut ties with 12 shows they like what they see in 10. I never like a QBs chances of being great, but the chances just got better if the Packers brass believe in him enough to move on.

[Joemailman]

Gutey said that he tried contacting Rodgers several times this offseason and he wouldn’t pick up the phone or call back. So gutey had to move on and do his job. Per Matt Schneidman.

This kind of confirms what I thought. The post-season meeting with Rodgers did not go well, probably regarding what offensive players they would be bringing back.

Gute's comments: https://twitter.com/i/status/1640480212155772930

[sharpe1027]

This kind of confirms what I thought. The post-season meeting with Rodgers did not go well, probably regarding what offensive players they would be bringing back.

Gute's comments: https://twitter.com/i/status/1640480212155772930

Sounds like Rodgers made it clear he wasn't committed to the Packers "in so many words?"

[Rastak]

"Packers General Manager Brian Gutekunst acknowledged in a conversation with reporters today that the Packers won’t necessarily get a first-round pick from the Jets in the Rodgers trade, according to Tom Pelissero of NFL Network."

[texaspackerbacker]

The number one person that wants the trade is Rodgers. What a shithead.

We agree again, sort of. If in fact the trade goes through, as even I am expecting by maybe about 80-90%, then Rodgers definitely will be on my shit list, as he made that horrible statement on McAfee that made ya'all fools so happy and probably doomed Packer football for the foreseeable future. I have said, and I repeat, if he's playing for the Jets or anybody else, he becomes the enemy, and I hope he breaks his knees or gets otherwise career-ending injured.

No denying what he said, but I'm not completely sure he meant it - the reason I say "sort of". And I'm completely sure he won't retire and walk away from the $59 million - in which case he would be return to the Packers and be heartily welcomed by anybody who isn't stupider than even the worst of the shithead crowd.

[Rastak]

We agree again, sort of. If in fact the trade goes through, as even I am expecting by maybe about 80-90%, then Rodgers definitely will be on my shit list, as he made that horrible statement on McAfee that made ya'all fools so happy and probably doomed Packer football for the foreseeable future. I have said, and I repeat, if he's playing for the Jets or anybody else, he becomes the enemy, and I hope he breaks his knees or gets otherwise career-ending injured.

No denying what he said, but I'm not completely sure he meant it - the reason I say "sort of". And I'm completely sure he won't retire and walk away from the $59 million - in which case he would be return to the Packers and be heartily welcomed by anybody who isn't stupider than even the worst of the shithead crowd.


Your GM in his very own words.

https://twitter.com/mattschneidman/status/1640480212155772930

[RashanGary]

Sounds like Rodgers made it clear he wasn't committed to the Packers "in so many words?"

:lol:

[red]

"Packers General Manager Brian Gutekunst acknowledged in a conversation with reporters today that the Packers won’t necessarily get a first-round pick from the Jets in the Rodgers trade, according to Tom Pelissero of NFL Network."

gutey, the master of negotiations

who the hell comes out and says that in the middle of negotiations?

[Rastak]

gutey, the master of negotiations

who the hell comes out and says that in the middle of negotiations


Well, the Jets also came out and said "We won't talk to Lamar Jackson as we'd be negotiating in bad faith." WTF are these guys doing!

[Joemailman]

gutey, the master of negotiations

who the hell comes out and says that in the middle of negotiations?

Some think that the 2 sides have agreed on compensation, the issue now being money.

[Sparkey]

Complicated Fella.

[MadScientist]

I have said, and I repeat, if he's playing for the Jets or anybody else, he becomes the enemy, and I hope he breaks his knees or gets otherwise career-ending injured.

Gotta be careful with that, there might be a conditional pick so the Packers will do better if he doesn't suck.

[sharpe1027]

We agree again, sort of. If in fact the trade goes through, as even I am expecting by maybe about 80-90%, then Rodgers definitely will be on my shit list, as he made that horrible statement on McAfee that made ya'all fools so happy and probably doomed Packer football for the foreseeable future. I have said, and I repeat, if he's playing for the Jets or anybody else, he becomes the enemy, and I hope he breaks his knees or gets otherwise career-ending injured.

No denying what he said, but I'm not completely sure he meant it - the reason I say "sort of". And I'm completely sure he won't retire and walk away from the $59 million - in which case he would be return to the Packers and be heartily welcomed by anybody who isn't stupider than even the worst of the shithead crowd.

If he's just showing up for the 59 million and doesn't want to be there, it's probably gonna be last year all over again, or worse....

[Bretsky]

Gutey said that he tried contacting Rodgers several times this offseason and he wouldn’t pick up the phone or call back. So gutey had to move on and do his job. Per Matt Schneidman.

GOOD JOB GUTE AND WAY TO GROW SOME BALLS and deliver a GUTEBOOM

This has to drive that Tuesday Media Whore Karen Crazy as he's not controlling the narrative.

[Fritz]

Sounds like Guter has acknowledged the Packers might not get a first round pick after all. So probably they have the outline of a deal in place and now must negotiate who's picking up how much tab. And there may be some compensation tied up in that - if we take on X number of dollars of the contract we get a first rounder, if we pick up X - minus Y we get a second, and so on, and probably they're negotiating the parameters. Sounds like Gute doesn't want to pick up as big a chunk of the tab as it would cost for that elusive first.

[SC Packman]

Hi everyone, I'm new to Packer Rats. I'm wondering if anyone else feels like the team is giving in by not getting that pick 13. Maybe it was wishful thinking, but I was really liking the idea of having both 13 and 15. It is possible we get a 1 next year but only if they do well enough if what I have read is correct and that would mean a much later pick in the round. With the Jets not having a whole lot of other QB options and continuing to invest so much in this season, I figured they would cave and give it up.

[MadtownPacker]

Hi everyone, I'm new to Packer Rats. I'm wondering if anyone else feels like the team is giving in by not getting that pick 13. Maybe it was wishful thinking, but I was really liking the idea of having both 13 and 15. It is possible we get a 1 next year but only if they do well enough if what I have read is correct and that would mean a much later pick in the round. With the Jets not having a whole lot of other QB options and continuing to invest so much in this season, I figured they would cave and give it up.Welcome to PackerRats SC Packman! Your post was not visible until now. Your account has been fully activated so feel free to dive right in. Let me know if any questions. MTP

[Bretsky]

Hi everyone, I'm new to Packer Rats. I'm wondering if anyone else feels like the team is giving in by not getting that pick 13. Maybe it was wishful thinking, but I was really liking the idea of having both 13 and 15. It is possible we get a 1 next year but only if they do well enough if what I have read is correct and that would mean a much later pick in the round. With the Jets not having a whole lot of other QB options and continuing to invest so much in this season, I figured they would cave and give it up.


I kind of agree

I would make those shitbags sweat. And if they don't part with 13 hold out for a 2nd this year and a 1st next year.

If Karen does NOT play the second year take their 1st and give them back our 3rd cause Gutebag always drafts shit in round 3 anyways :)

[Rastak]

Hi everyone, I'm new to Packer Rats. I'm wondering if anyone else feels like the team is giving in by not getting that pick 13. Maybe it was wishful thinking, but I was really liking the idea of having both 13 and 15. It is possible we get a 1 next year but only if they do well enough if what I have read is correct and that would mean a much later pick in the round. With the Jets not having a whole lot of other QB options and continuing to invest so much in this season, I figured they would cave and give it up.

Greetings!

It's kind of a funny situation, Packers want him gone and Jets want him but he's 40 and stated in public he was 90% ready to retire so no team in the NFL is coughing up the 13th pick. Jet's QB situation is dire but GB doesn't want to eat that contract either. Green Bay can't feasibly cut him.

[Fritz]

Greetings!

It's kind of a funny situation, Packers want him gone and Jets want him but he's 40 and stated in public he was 90% ready to retire so no team in the NFL is coughing up the 13th pick. Jet's QB situation is dire but GB doesn't want to eat that contract either. Green Bay can't feasibly cut him.

THAT is the situation in a nutshell.

[RashanGary]

Greetings!

It's kind of a funny situation, Packers want him gone and Jets want him but he's 40 and stated in public he was 90% ready to retire so no team in the NFL is coughing up the 13th pick. Jet's QB situation is dire but GB doesn't want to eat that contract either. Green Bay can't feasibly cut him.

Pretty much, yeah.

[sharpe1027]

I suspect we'll get a second this year and a conditional that could go as high as a first next year We'll also pick up a good chunk of cash.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I suspect we'll get a second this year and a conditional that could go as high as a first next year We'll also pick up a good chunk of cash.

We can't afford to pick up any cash, so I doubt there is much in the way of that. A 2nd this year and a conditional 1st/2nd next year sounds about right.

[sharpe1027]

We can't afford to pick up any cash, so I doubt there is much in the way of that. A 2nd this year and a conditional 1st/2nd next year sounds about right.

What do you mean by we can't afford? You mean we don't have cap space?

[RashanGary]

I think a second this year and a conditional 3rd that could turn into a 2nd next year. I don’t see a first in our future at all. He’s a 40 year old, declining, entitled prick with a horrible contract.

[George Cumby]

We can't afford to pick up any cash, so I doubt there is much in the way of that. A 2nd this year and a conditional 1st/2nd next year sounds about right.

I would be more than happy with this.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Rodgers would have played another 3 years if they didn’t draft Love. He only wants out because of how drafting Love changes his situation with the team. I think they should have drafted a WR instead. Love might be good, but I personally don’t think it was worth wasting a pick on a Qb when your hall of famer still has 5+ years left and hasn’t hinted at retirement.

[texaspackerbacker]

That's the real Captain Obvious.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

As for the trade, they should get pick number 13. That’s it, no other picks. I don’t understand all the BS about getting a pick back if Rodgers plays only one year. Talk to him and ask him. If he doesn’t give a straight answer that’s your risk. Why do you want him so bad if you aren’t sure he will play more than one year? Maybe give your first round pick more than one year to prove himself?

So you can waste a first round pick on a Qb and move on from him after one year but you can’t give up one for one year? Why not…

[sharpe1027]

As for the trade, they should get pick number 13. That’s it, no other picks. I don’t understand all the BS about getting a pick back if Rodgers plays only one year. Talk to him and ask him. If he doesn’t give a straight answer that’s your risk. Why do you want him so bad if you aren’t sure he will play more than one year? Maybe give your first round pick more than one year to prove himself?

So you can waste a first round pick on a Qb and move on from him after one year but you can’t give up one for one year? Why not…

Doesn't seem like a waste of a pick right now.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Not if they trade a Wr for a second round pick, sign Allen Lazard, and Rodgers stays in GB next year.

[sharpe1027]

Not if they trade a Wr for a second round pick, sign Allen Lazard, and Rodgers stays in GB next year.

The narrative that Rodgers wants to leave because of one draft pick is silly. Most likely the writing has been in the wall since before the pick
Either that or Rodgers is just a little bitch.

[texaspackerbacker]

Careful there, PFnMD. people are gonna accuse you of being me with a different screen name. Keep up the good work. Good sense is in pretty short supply in here.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

The contract extension he signed following two MVP seasons indicates the issue is this past season. Seems like Loves
development and a down year for him caused a problem with his plans for the future.

[sharpe1027]

The contract extension he signed following two MVP seasons indicates the issue is this past season. Seems like Loves
development and a down year for him caused a problem with his plans for the future.

If Love was pushing him for playing time, then holy crap was it a needed and good pick. If not, Rodgers intending to retire 90% or play for the Jets still seems to provide justification for the pick.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I don’t think he was pushing for planning time. More so he got better and Rodgers had his worst season. A lot of that is losing MVS and Adams.

[bobblehead]

I think a second this year and a conditional 3rd that could turn into a 2nd next year. I don’t see a first in our future at all. He’s a 40 year old, declining, entitled prick with a horrible contract.

KC payed a 2nd for alex smith and then drafted his replacement. If a short term alex smith is worth a 2, then the 2 of last 3 MVPs is worth a first. If I'm gutes I tell them to pound sand, we'll keep him if they don't want to ship the 13 overall pick.

[bobblehead]

Rodgers would have played another 3 years if they didn’t draft Love. He only wants out because of how drafting Love changes his situation with the team. I think they should have drafted a WR instead. Love might be good, but I personally don’t think it was worth wasting a pick on a Qb when your hall of famer still has 5+ years left and hasn’t hinted at retirement.

You talked to Rodgers and he told you that? I mean, I guess you could believe that a guy would cut his career 3 years short because a team drafted a guy, but that seems far fetched to me.

[sharpe1027]

I don’t think he was pushing for planning time. More so he got better and Rodgers had his worst season. A lot of that is losing MVS and Adams.

I don't understand your point. Why does Rodgers care about Love several years after he was drafted?

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

You talked to Rodgers and he told you that? I mean, I guess you could believe that a guy would cut his career 3 years short because a team drafted a guy, but that seems far fetched to me.

No I didn’t, but he talked to the media and said that. After the 2016 season he stated he’s “on the back nine of his career.” That would be about another 3 seasons. He’s also talked numerous
times about playing into his 40s.

[run pMc]

KC payed a 2nd for alex smith and then drafted his replacement. If a short term alex smith is worth a 2, then the 2 of last 3 MVPs is worth a first. If I'm gutes I tell them to pound sand, we'll keep him if they don't want to ship the 13 overall pick.

Except Alex Smith wasn't 39 years old with a $60M contract and talking about retiring each year.
If there is a precedent for this trade, what would it be? Favre to the Jets? I'm not sure it's Joe Montana to KC? It's not the Alex Smith or Matt Stafford trades, and it's not Russell Wilson.

I want them to get -- in Gute's words -- "premium picks", but if you're trading a veteran player you're also trading the contract.

[sharpe1027]

I can see the comparisons to Favre. I think timing is an important difference. Favre said he wanted to come back in June, after the draft and free agency. The Packers had already moved on in terms of roster and strategy. That's not the case this time. Sure, it would be awkward if the Jets trade falls through, but they have the cap room and they have time to plan for Rodgers on the roster or even another trade partner.

[Fritz]

The contract extension he signed following two MVP seasons indicates the issue is this past season. Seems like Loves
development and a down year for him caused a problem with his plans for the future.

So the fact that Love began to improve and develop "caused a problem with [Rodgers's] plans for the future" so he decided he wasn't wanted and it was time for everyone to move on?

By that reasoning, every starter who gets competition from an up-and-coming player will want out.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Maybe…

Not every player…but he wants out so why isn’t possible for him?

[Bretsky]

Reports are it's close

2nd this year, and a 2nd next year that could turn into a 1st based on how they do. And Jets want a kickback if Karen doesn't play next year. Many feel the Jets are using that kickback to leverage just making this 2 second round picks.

Why don't we ask a bit more and just give the Jets both 3rd round picks. Gutebag has drafted all JAG's and crap in round 3 anyways since he's arrived

[ThunderDan]

No I didn’t, but he talked to the media and said that. After the 2016 season he stated he’s “on the back nine of his career.” That would be about another 3 seasons. He’s also talked numerous
times about playing into his 40s.

In golf the Back 9 is as long as the Front 9. So who knows what he really means timewise with that quote.

Depends if he thinks he is on the 10th tee or holing out the putt on 16 green.

[red]

rodgers was showing signs of decline in the 2 or 3 years before we drafted love (one year was the collarbone year), but his completion % and TDs were down in both those years

then we draft love, and he finds something to get motivated about (cause winning super bowls obviously doesn't do it for him), and he has 2 huge years to "prove" to the packers how wrong they were.

imo, he should be kissing gutey and loves beanbags. they are responsible for the last 2 MVPs that karen is so worried about. if it wasn't for that "motivation", rodgers career might how just faded out a year or 2 ago

[sharpe1027]

Maybe…

Not every player…but he wants out so why isn’t possible for him?

It's certainly a possible explanation, but it's not the only explanation. I'd go a step further and say it seems pretty unlikely that Love was the only or primary reason he intends to play for the Jets.

[Fritz]

Maybe…

Not every player…but he wants out so why isn’t possible for him?

We’ll, it seems more than possible. You’re right there.

[George Cumby]

rodgers was showing signs of decline in the 2 or 3 years before we drafted love (one year was the collarbone year), but his completion % and TDs were down in both those years

then we draft love, and he finds something to get motivated about (cause winning super bowls obviously doesn't do it for him), and he has 2 huge years to "prove" to the packers how wrong they were.

imo, he should be kissing gutey and loves beanbags. they are responsible for the last 2 MVPs that karen is so worried about. if it wasn't for that "motivation", rodgers career might how just faded out a year or 2 ago

This is spot on and why I, for one, was good with them drafting a QB when they did.

[King Friday]

I feel like the Packers are in no mood to rush this. It is clear that the Jets will not give up the #1 this year, so there is virtually no reason for Green Bay to seek a rapid conclusion to this deal. The longer this goes, the more leverage Green Bay will have. The Jets appear to have no plan B other than throwing Z Wilson back out under center, and that would go over like a lead balloon in the NY media market. The Jets simply have to land Rodgers at this point, and while they don’t need him until August, the pressure will only mount on the Jets as more time passes.

I think the sides are fairly close on a deal, but nothing will spur it to completion at this point unless one side gives a little. I’m not thinking that will happen until well after the draft at this point.

[RashanGary]

rodgers was showing signs of decline in the 2 or 3 years before we drafted love (one year was the collarbone year), but his completion % and TDs were down in both those years

then we draft love, and he finds something to get motivated about (cause winning super bowls obviously doesn't do it for him), and he has 2 huge years to "prove" to the packers how wrong they were.

imo, he should be kissing gutey and loves beanbags. they are responsible for the last 2 MVPs that karen is so worried about. if it wasn't for that "motivation", rodgers career might how just faded out a year or 2 ago

True. He stopped giving a shit. Then he gave a shit again. He gave a very spiteful aggressive shit that propelled him to two MVPs. He’s such a little cunt.

[bobblehead]

True. He stopped giving a shit. Then he gave a shit again. He gave a very spiteful aggressive shit that propelled him to two MVPs. He’s such a little cunt.

Thats called being a normal human being. I would speculate that every one of us has been a spiteful little cunt at times when we have felt disrespected.

[Fritz]

I'd prefer to think of myself as a spiteful big dick.

[Joemailman]

Wendell Ferreira
@wendellfp

On his podcast, @CharlesRobinson reports the #Jets have already offered the #Packers two 2nds (2023 and 2024), and the 24 pick could graduate to a 1st.

But the NYJ wants a giveback if Rodgers doesn't play in 24, and GB wants a 24 1st without escalators.


If this is true, I think they're almost there.

[Joemailman]

Rodgers just waiting for the trade to go through.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fs0_yNyXsAEtBSm?format=jpg&name=medium

[Fritz]

If this is true, I think they're almost there.

I know people have to compromise to get things done, but I hope the Packers don't agree to any "give back" picks, if only because as a Packer fan I don't want to be part of the annual Rodgers "will he or won't he" drama again next offseason even after he's not a Packer any more.

The San Fran rumors seem to me to be just that. Or maybe a leak from the Packer org to put some public pressure on the Jest.

[Joemailman]

I know people have to compromise to get things done, but I hope the Packers don't agree to any "give back" picks, if only because as a Packer fan I don't want to be part of the annual Rodgers "will he or won't he" drama again next offseason even after he's not a Packer any more.

The San Fran rumors seem to me to be just that. Or maybe a leak from the Packer org to put some public pressure on the Jest.

If the give back is a Packers 3rd round pick, I think most Packer fans could get behind that.

[Sparkey]

If the give back is a Packers 3rd round pick, I think most Packer fans could get behind that.

If there has to be a give back, it should be a 5th. But then again, if the JETS want Rodgers so badly, why should the Packers give back a comp.

I guess the Jets don't put much value in SuperbOwls ?

[Fritz]

On the one hand, I can understand the Jets not wanting to give up pick next year (supposedly a second- or first-rounder, depending on how far the Jets go) without getting something back if the guy is not playing next year. On the other hand, they don't want to give up that first rounder this year because they want to surround Rodgers with talent.

I am usually pretty flexible in negotiations, but this "give back" thing would piss me off if I were Guter. The Jets know what they're getting with Rodgers - with the talent comes the yearly "let me take stock and see if I want to play next season" stuff. I'm not necessarily blaming Rodgers - it's a big decision. But it's part of the deal, and the Jets know that. So I would not want the deal contingent upon that offseason drama, and I wouldn't give up a future pick when you're trying to build for the future. That doesn't make sense.

Now if the Jets want a Packer third round pick, or all their third-round picks so long as the Ted Thompson GM Tree is in charge of the Packers, in exchange for another second rounder, or two fourths, or something, sure.