Official Day 2 (Rounds 2&3) Of NFL Draft Thread

[Joemailman]

Top 50 players remaining
#12 Joey Porter Jr., CB, Penn State
#16 Brian Branch, SAF/CB, Alabama
#19 Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame
#26 Will Levis, QB, Kentucky
#30 O’Cyrus Torrence, OG/OT, Florida
#31 Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia (Packers visit)
#34 Josh Downs, WR, North Carolina
#35 Cam Smith, CB, South Carolina
#37 Drew Sanders, LB, Arkansas
#38 Kelee Ringo, CB/SAF, Georgia
#39 John Michael Schmitz, OC, Minnesota
#40 Dawand Jones, OT, Ohio State
#41 B.J. Ojulari, EDGE, LSU
#42 Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee
#43 Trenton Simpson, LB, Clemson
#45 Keion White, EDGE/DL, Georgia Tech (Packers visit)
#47 Luke Musgrave, TE, Oregon State
#48 Steve Avila, OC, TCU
#50 Cody Mauch, OG/OT, North Dakota State

[bobblehead]

I just hope Gutes doesn't give up both 2nds to move up this time. I'd like Washington or Mayer or Musgrave, but I wouldn't give up capital to get them. We can stand pat and get LaPorta and Mingo which wouldn't break my heart. I wouldn't cry if we got "stuck" drafting Porter either. Even Torrence would be fine.

Things I will be unhappy about. Trading both 2nds to move up. Drafting Branch or Levis. I'd rather give up the 6/7 to move from early 3rd to late 2nd. We know any pick in the 3rd will be a bust.

[Joemailman]

Gute's Day 2 Picks:

2018:
Josh Jackson (45)
Oren Burks (88)

2019:
Elgton Jenkins (44)
Jace Sternberger (75)

2020:
AJ Dillon (62)
Josiah Deguara (94)

2021:
Josh Myers (62)
Amari Rodgers (85)

2022:
Christian Watson (34)
Sean Rhyan (92)

[MadScientist]

Gute's Day 2 Picks:

2018:
Josh Jackson (45)
Oren Burks (88)

2019:
Elgton Jenkins (44)
Jace Sternberger (75)

2020:
AJ Dillon (62)
Josiah Deguara (94)

2021:
Josh Myers (62)
Amari Rodgers (85)

2022:
Christian Watson (34)
Sean Rhyan (92)

Ouch. They should just trade their 3rd and their lower 2nd to move up and take the TE they want most. If Gute waits until round 3 and takes a TE with a 5 RAS, I think I will go to GB and remove Gute's junk with a pair of pliers and a rusty saw.

[red]

I just hope Gutes doesn't give up both 2nds to move up this time. I'd like Washington or Mayer or Musgrave, but I wouldn't give up capital to get them. We can stand pat and get LaPorta and Mingo which wouldn't break my heart. I wouldn't cry if we got "stuck" drafting Porter either. Even Torrence would be fine.

Things I will be unhappy about. Trading both 2nds to move up. Drafting Branch or Levis. I'd rather give up the 6/7 to move from early 3rd to late 2nd. We know any pick in the 3rd will be a bust.

yeah we got too many holes for him to pull that shit

[red]

is it 2 rounds today or just 1?

[pittstang5]

Here's who I'm liking tonight for the Packers to pick, in no particular order:

Jonathan Mingo – WR - Mississippi
Michael Mayer – TE – Notre Dame
Darnell Washington – TE – Georgia
Sydney Brown – S – Illinois
Cody Mauch – OT – North Dakota State
Gervon Dexter – DT – Florida
Siaki Ika – DT – Baylor
Joey Porter Jr. – CB – Penn State

The more I read, the more I like Mingo.

No matter what, I think the Pack comes away with at least a WR and/or a TE tonight.

[pittstang5]

is it 2 rounds today or just 1?

Two rounds - 2nd and 3rd

[RashanGary]

I like Darnell Washington. Maybe just an average pass catcher for the position, but an eventual elite run blocker with the skillset to develop into a legit pass protection player too. That opens up your offense to do a lot of different things.

Mayer is next, but is a little unspectacular for me and doesn’t have a go-to strength, but he could be solid all the way around. He’s a savvy route runner and good hands. He should be a solid player. I like him in the second.

Laporta is 6’3”. We already have Deguara at 6’2”. I don’t like they fit, but he’s good so he’s worth a 3rd or late 2.

There are a couple high upside gambles after these guys who have a shot.

[Joemailman]

yeah we got too many holes for him to pull that shit

Gute sounded pretty happy last night about how the board looked. I think he's going to stay where he is, or maybe even trade down.

[red]

Here's who I'm liking tonight for the Packers to pick, in no particular order:

Jonathan Mingo – WR - Mississippi
Michael Mayer – TE – Notre Dame
Darnell Washington – TE – Georgia
Sydney Brown – S – Illinois
Cody Mauch – OT – North Dakota State
Gervon Dexter – DT – Florida
Siaki Ika – DT – Baylor
Joey Porter Jr. – CB – Penn State

The more I read, the more I like Mingo.

No matter what, I think the Pack comes away with at least a WR and/or a TE tonight.

i do NOT want mingo.

[Sparkey]

I like Darnell Washington. Great blocker and red zone target.

Sleeper pick - "Quan" Martin.

[RashanGary]

Washington is definitely the one I’m hoping for. Obviously it takes young guys a year or two at that position to become really reliable blockers, but he projects as an elite blocker in a year or two. Once he hits his stride as a blocker, on first and second down, you almost have to match him with a linebacker or you’re looking at safeties getting steam rolled in the run game. With that speed he showed at the combine, he’ll get plenty of opportunities to run by linebackers down the seam. And he has that big body to box out and catches well in traffic. He has some pass catching upside too. He’s another rare, unique athlete too. We like those guys. He’s a packer pick for sure

[Bretsky]

I just hope Gutes doesn't give up both 2nds to move up this time. I'd like Washington or Mayer or Musgrave, but I wouldn't give up capital to get them. We can stand pat and get LaPorta and Mingo which wouldn't break my heart. I wouldn't cry if we got "stuck" drafting Porter either. Even Torrence would be fine.

Things I will be unhappy about. Trading both 2nds to move up. Drafting Branch or Levis. I'd rather give up the 6/7 to move from early 3rd to late 2nd. We know any pick in the 3rd will be a bust.


these are pretty much all my thoughts as well.

[George Cumby]

I just hope Gutes doesn't give up both 2nds to move up this time. I'd like Washington or Mayer or Musgrave, but I wouldn't give up capital to get them. We can stand pat and get LaPorta and Mingo which wouldn't break my heart. I wouldn't cry if we got "stuck" drafting Porter either. Even Torrence would be fine.

Things I will be unhappy about. Trading both 2nds to move up. Drafting Branch or Levis. I'd rather give up the 6/7 to move from early 3rd to late 2nd. We know any pick in the 3rd will be a bust.

Yeah, too much talent out there to lose that second second round pick.

[Joemailman]

Steelers take Joey Porter.

[Joemailman]

Titans take Will Levis.

[Joemailman]

Lions take Sam LaPorta.

[sharpe1027]

Will Mayer make it to 42?

[SMBASS]

Frickin' Lions... Take Hockenson in the top 10, dump him after a couple of years and then draft another Iowa TE.

[Joemailman]

Will Mayer make it to 42?

Just taken by Raiders.

[sharpe1027]

Nope.

[Teamcheez1]

I’m not surprised teams are moving ahead of us. They know what we’re after.

[Joemailman]

Rams take Steve Avila.

[Fosco33]

Gotta imagine Musgrave or Washington?

[smuggler]

Oof Mayer going hurts.

[red]

I’m not surprised teams are moving ahead of us. They know what we’re after.

and whats that?

cause i doubt we know what we want

[red]

Gotta imagine Musgrave or Washington?

the 20th best player available and 5th best player available

[red]

thank god mingo is gone

basically only knew how to run the go route and has suspect hands

[red]

almost 2 picks behind already

[red]

i'm not excited by the TEs left

washingtons size is intriguing , but thats it

[Bretsky]

HEY BITCHES
Happy Friday !!

Thinking TE with this pick

[Sparkey]

Foskey to Saints

[Bretsky]

I would have been fine with Mingo

[Bretsky]

Another player from Georgia ???

I think the ALL Tight End Strategy for the NFL Draft contest might have worked this year

If there is one thing I think I know it's GB is drafting two Tight Ends

[Bretsky]

Cards took McBridge last year. Odds are no TE here

[Bretsky]

so what are we thinking....everybody wants a TE........time to go...........DEFENSE ???? hahaha

[Teamcheez1]

Definitely defense or QB. That is the Packer way.

[Fosco33]

Even Gutes not that dumb. Position of need AND best available.

Or… Let’s trade back and get more picks. One of them would be there in 4 picks (until they aren’t). We’ve done that plenty. ������*♂️

[Joemailman]

Musgrave.

[red]

do we grab the safety here since we don't have one?

[King Friday]

I’ll take the pseudo OL tight end Washington now to fit MLF system…then grab the athlete Kuntz later.

[Sparkey]

Arizona takes Ojulari

[King Friday]

do we grab the safety here since we don't have one?

Safety schmafety

[red]

well, there's your TE

luke musgrave

[Sparkey]

Musgrave to Packers

[MadScientist]

A TE!

[smuggler]

Yep, got a tight end.

[red]

heres the note on musgrave from draftace


Prototypical build for an in-line tight end. Decent speed, but a straight-line athlete. Primarily a middle-of-the-field possession receiver who takes what the defense allows. No YAC ability 一 doesn’t break tackles, doesn’t make anyone miss in the open field. Just not enough dynamic athleticism to his game. Inconsistent hands, which is especially concerning given his athletic profile 一 you want him a quarterback’s security blanket who converts every time he’s called upon. Average blocking ability, but has size/length to improve in this area. Coming off a season-ending knee injury. Special teams experience will help him find an immediate role as he develops as a tight end. Should be viewed as a developmental prospect with a modest ceiling given his limitations as a pass-catcher.

[Fosco33]

Watch us take Washington at 45

[smuggler]

An almost 6'6" TE that runs mid 4.5 second 40 yeard dash... sort of like an improved Geronimo Allison.

[Sparkey]

Jets take Tippmann

[Bretsky]

Watch us take Washington at 45


IMO that would be a good call

[King Friday]

Another meh pick. Another pseudo project instead of a guy that can actually contribute from day one.

[red]

so cody mauch with the next pick?

[Fosco33]

Jets taking all these people w/ WI connections

[Upnorth]

heres the note on musgrave from draftace

Well that sounds like a horrible choice

[HarveyWallbangers]

Good picks so far.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Draft Ace? :)

[red]

Well that sounds like a horrible choice

lets hope he's wrong

[King Friday]

Musgrave is an athlete. That’s it. He really didn’t produce much on a football field in college.

[red]

Draft Ace? :)

great site

https://draftace.com/

[pittstang5]

Welp, out of the so called "Top Tier" Tight Ends" that were available today, Musgrave was the one that I liked the least - but what the hell do I know.

[Sparkey]

Julius Brents to the Colts

[HarveyWallbangers]

Musgrave is a talent. If you’re building a TE, it would look like him. He was finally going to be featured in the offense, but got injured. Probably would have been TE2 with a full season. Better blocker than Kincaid. He’s willing and has the size to be adequate in the NFL.

[Fosco33]

Trade

[MadScientist]

Well that sounds like a horrible choice

Here's another take:

Luke Musgrave is a well-sized, dynamic vertical TE with room to grow into his frame. He doesn't provide much after the catch in terms of wiggle but is plenty athletic enough to get open, particularly on the vertical route tree. He's quick and fast down the field. His blocking leaves a fair amount to be desired, but he has the size and athleticism to mature into a decent blocker in the NFL. For teams looking for serious downfield, seam-stretching juice at the TE position, this is the guy in this class.

Sounds like what the Packers need. They haven't been able to attack the seam in a decade+.

[Bretsky]

GB trades back for a 5th rounder; at least it's not a 3rd :))

[Sparkey]

Green Bay just traded back with the Lions.

[King Friday]

I’m willing. Doesn’t mean shit in terms of success in the NFL.

[MadScientist]

NVM - pick traded.

[red]

we just traded to the lions

[HarveyWallbangers]

great site

https://draftace.com/

Hacks. They have Stroud higher than Young and Charbonnet ahead of Gibbs.

[smuggler]

Intra division trade. Somewhat uncommon.

[red]

traded down to 48

[Fosco33]

So whomever we liked they are 90% sure will be there at 48. Do we have enough to sign 12 picks… or we packaging and moving up at some point?

[red]

Hacks. They have Stroud higher than Young and Charbonnet ahead of Gibbs.

so did everyone until about 4 days ago

[red]

the abc coverage has been complete shit

more interested in interviewing celebs then paying attention to the draft

[red]

So whomever we liked they are 90% sure will be there at 48. Do we have enough to sign 12 picks… or we packaging and moving up at some point?

we're fine cap wise

[HarveyWallbangers]

No. Pure media BS.

[Bretsky]

ok, top WR's or other players on wish list ??

[Sparkey]

Brian Branch to the Lions

[red]

well we could have drafted him, instead we get to play against him

[run pMc]

would have preferred Washington to Musgrave. Not a big fan of Musgrave but he's a Packer now so I'm rooting for him.
He's the new and improved Tonyan.

[Bretsky]

here I thought we'd have really liked that guy

[Fosco33]

Guess we didn’t like Branch..

[red]

ok, top WR's or other players on wish list ??

https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/cody-mauch-graphic-768x432.jpg

[HarveyWallbangers]

https://www.nfl.com/videos/lance-zierlein-explains-why-luke-musgrave-is-the-number-one-te-in-this-draft-nfl

[run pMc]

Not surprised LV took Mayer. They traded Waller and needed a TE.
I liked Foskey, thought he fit the Packer prototype but with LVN in R1 they didn't need him.

That R5 they got from DET will be their safety.

[red]

here I thought we'd have really liked that guy

we don't need safeties

they all suck at doing their jobs anyways

we're gonna line up 5 d-lineman 5 LBs and alexander. a 5-5-1

[HarveyWallbangers]

The Packers need an actual safety. I doubt Branch was the highest safety on their board.

[MadScientist]

well we could have drafted him, instead we get to play against him

We can get one of the Illinois safeties and be fine. Need a WR with our next pick.

[wthigoot]

48 should be Luke Schoonmaker if we are following the pattern

[Fosco33]

We can get one of the Illinois safeties and be fine. Need a WR with our next pick.

Agreed

[pittstang5]

Did the Packers trade again?

[Sparkey]

Keion WHite to the pats

[Teamcheez1]

I think Musgrave is a reasonable pick assuming he is healthy. I don’t like taking players with an injury history.

[red]

https://www.nfl.com/videos/lance-zierlein-explains-why-luke-musgrave-is-the-number-one-te-in-this-draft-nfl

well, lets hope your guys better at evaluating talent then some of the other guys out there

[HarveyWallbangers]

I wonder if the Packers are going back to back TEs. It would make sense to move down there because Washington, Kraft, and Schoonmaker are still on the board. Kraft is my favorite of the three, but Washington might be a better fit with Musgrave.

[red]

well that guy doesn't look too happy about being drafted

[pittstang5]

We can get one of the Illinois safeties and be fine. Need a WR with our next pick.

One just went

[Sparkey]

Quan Martin to the WFT

[Fosco33]

Did the Packers trade again?

6th for 50

[red]

did we just trade back again?

[HarveyWallbangers]

well, lets hope your guys better at evaluating talent then some of the other guys out there

I evaluated them myself. I had Musgrave as TE3–mainly because of the injury. He likely would have been TE2 otherwise. Greg Olsen was my comp.

[run pMc]

Keion White to GB was a worry for me. Older and raw = not a good sign.
I think it's DL or WR here for GB

[red]

well we don't like any of this shit anymore

well fuck you guys. trade out and they take the guy i wanted

[Sparkey]

Bucs take Cody Mauch

[Sparkey]

Pack traded out of Round 2

[bobblehead]

48 should be Luke Schoonmaker if we are following the pattern

I want another TE, but of course we just keep dealing back. Need like 12 third rounders hoping to hit one and break the pattern.

[MadScientist]

Did the Packers trade again?

They must have, but what did they get besides #50.

[smuggler]

They traded back from 45 to 48 and then back to 50 and picked up 159 and 179 along the way.

Did they trade 50 also?

[red]

Pack traded out of Round 2

we have pick 50

[HarveyWallbangers]

Pack traded out of Round 2

Are you sure? I just saw two minor trades downs. Drop down a few spots in each trade.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LBCjHBo3CZ5Zp1lWuX-dRyBgQe6hxqWxhcxTtHjVsdM/edit#gid=1094562136

[red]

They traded back from 45 to 48 and then back to 50 and picked up 159 and 179 along the way.

Did they trade 50 also?

still showing us having it

[Sparkey]

Packers pick at 50 now.

[run pMc]

Jayden Reed has some skills. Older but good speed and quickness. Nice pickup but R2 is a bit of a reach IMO

[red]

this pick could be a huge head scratcher since we keep thinking we can trade down and still get them

[pittstang5]

Steelers pick is in, GB pick is is, Seattle pick is in. Quit fucking around and announce the damn picks

[Sparkey]

Are you sure? I just saw two minor trades downs. Drop down a few spots in each trade.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LBCjHBo3CZ5Zp1lWuX-dRyBgQe6hxqWxhcxTtHjVsdM/edit#gid=1094562136

Site I am watching now shows them at 50.

[HarveyWallbangers]

NFL.com:


After the Packers passed on multiple pass-catching options Thursday, they land a potential Round 1-quality talent who has been beset by injuries. When healthy, he's a big, highly athletic target for new QB Jordan Love.

Athletically, Musgrave is almost identical to Kelce, but he doesn't have the YAC potential, so he looked more like Olsen to me.

[Sparkey]

Steelers take Benton from Whisky

[red]

we are on the board

[HarveyWallbangers]

this pick could be a huge head scratcher since we keep thinking we can trade down and still get them

Maybe another TE, Tillman, or their favorite safety?

[red]

NFL.com:



Athletically, Musgrave is almost identical to Kelce, but he doesn't have the YAC potential, so he looked more like Olsen to me.

yeah, the highlight clip i watched of him he pretty much went down after every catch but a couple

no YAC at all

[run pMc]

Albert Breer and Bill HUber called Jayden Reed as the pick like 5 minutes ago WTH

[Sparkey]

Jayden Reed

[smuggler]

Jayden Reed has some skills. Older but good speed and quickness. Nice pickup but R2 is a bit of a reach IMO

Prescient

[Fosco33]

I like it! Leroy is awesome

[red]

anyone got anything good to say other then he's a 2nd round WR?

on the surface seems like a massive reach

[red]

Albert Breer and Bill HUber called Jayden Reed as the pick like 5 minutes ago WTH

live coverage is waaaaaay behind

theres gonna be leaks

[run pMc]

Prescient

I wish. Was following the APC twitter stream and they posted about it several minutes ago.
Reed tore up the Senior Bowl and his fil isn't bad. He'll push Toure for the WR3 spot and can run some deep routes as well. Not a terrible pickup but feels like a slight reach in R2 to me. I thought he was more of a R3 guy and would have preferred Rashee Rice. JMHO

[pittstang5]

Meh on Reed

[Fosco33]

Slot, special teams. Young WRs to build around. Need a grizzly locker room vet - watch Cobb snub Karon and come back.

[King Friday]

This draft is going to be the death of Gute. If Watson gets hurt, which isn’t all that unlikely, this team will be lucky to score 10 points a game. Way too many shrimps on this team at WR.

[run pMc]

Gervon Dexter Sr., Moro Ojomo, or Jordan Battle in R3 please.
Then grab another TE, WR, a RB and whatever else on Day 3. Have to think those extra R5 and R6 picks they got for trading down are going to be used for trade-ups. That's a lot of picks.

[smuggler]

Reed isn't glamourous, but the fact he's savvy like a 2nd year player probably factored into their decision. Important to have mature players when your QB is going to be under a ton of pressure.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I actually had Reed higher and soured on him late--after watching some of the top CBs against him (Witherspoon seemed to get underneath his skin). I'll trust them to draft WRs in round 2 though. I like that at least they got some extra value (5th and 6th round picks) before taking him.

[run pMc]

I actually had Reed higher and soured on him late--after watching some of the top CBs against him (Witherspoon seemed to get underneath his skin). I'll trust them to draft WRs in round 2 though. I like that at least they got some extra value (5th and 6th round picks) before taking him.

Fair point. Those extra picks could be useful for trading up or drafting a kicker.

[pittstang5]

Jayden Reed

Found this:

Summary:

Jayden Reed is a smaller, compact, lightning-quick route-runner who shifts between gears awesomely to get open. He has innate awareness to morph into a RB after the catch. His releases off the line are nasty. He has lateral juice and explosiveness. He was held back in 2022 by lesser talent around him. For a smaller WR with a smaller catch radius, he tracks the football awesomely and shined in contested-catch scenarios. He has some drops on film but not a major concern. He's a fun, sleeper prospect with a style for today's game. Everything he does is effortless on the field.

Strengths:

Lightning quick to beat press and get open at all levels
Tracks the ball like a 6-foot-5 WR
YAC ability is a plus, elusive and deceptive contact balance, morphs into a RB after the catch

Weaknesses:

Speed is great, not amazing
Smaller frame with smaller catch radius
Production didn't build in 2022 after strong 2021

[red]

so reed also has some return experience

he also played one year at my alma mater western michigan. just like greg jennings, corey davis and sky moore

[MadScientist]

Reed's RAS is kind of meh, but his speed is decent. This report looks pretty good:

Jayden Reed is a smaller, compact, lightning-quick route-runner who shifts between gears awesomely to get open. He has innate awareness to morph into a RB after the catch. His releases off the line are nasty. He has lateral juice and explosiveness. He was held back in 2022 by lesser talent around him. For a smaller WR with a smaller catch radius, he tracks the football awesomely and shined in contested-catch scenarios. He has some drops on film but not a major concern. He's a fun, sleeper prospect with a style for today's game. Everything he does is effortless on the field.
Different from any receiver the Packers have had in a while.

[smuggler]

don't use the 5th rounder to trade up. Draft an OL. It is tradition.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Anybody else notice that NFL.com had 10 yard splits wrong on their site and never updated it? I assumed they were correct and the RAS site had it wrong. I found out a couple of days ago (while still on my trip to India) that the reverse was true. Honestly, the incorrect 10 yard split on Reed probably affected my thoughts on him a bit. NFL.com had him down for a below average 10 yard split (not JSN bad, but below average), but his 10 yard split was instead a solid 1.53.

[run pMc]

Does anyone know who the MSU QB was? I have a feeling he wasn't very good but have no idea.

Reed is 5'11" 187 ran a 4.45, can return kicks and punts.

In 2021, Reed was a finalist for the Paul Hornung Award as the nation's most versatile player

6.74 RAS though.
https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1647349074121887744

He's probably a slot.
Now watch out for Dontayvion Wicks as a Day 3 for GB.

Not gonna lie, kinda wanted Darnell Washington at 50.

BTW, here's the APC twitter list.
https://twitter.com/i/lists/64154341

[red]

dude looks pretty awesome

why did so many people have him so low?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZhCz2IlINg

[run pMc]

I think if he's your WR4 and returns punts it's not a great pick, but if he can become a WR2/3 it is.

[run pMc]

Darnell Washington must have some kind of red flag, whether it's character or medical.

[red]

Darnell Washington must have some kind of red flag, whether it's character or medical.

zero production in college?

he's pretty much a small tackle?

[sharpe1027]

He'll get every opportunity to contribute early. Seems like a safe pick.

[HarveyWallbangers]

My thoughts so far: after Paris Johnson and Skoronski were gone, I felt it was either going to be Murphy or Van Ness in round 1. No surprise there. I like the Musgrave pick. My least favorite is Reed. Normally, that would mean that Reed will be the best, but I was pretty spot on with Watson and Tom being my favorite picks last year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

They did pick up two extra picks, so there's that in regards to Reed. I kind of felt Washington may have been a bit overrated. He tested well, but his actual tape looks like he's running in cement. I just don't see a guy who would ever get you 600+ yards receiving.

[run pMc]

I think after the top guys there wasn't much at OT, and Gute read the EDGEs were going to go on a run so he took his guy.

Packers trade #45 to Lions for #48 and #159
Packers trade #48 to Buccaneers for #50 and #179
They still have ten picks.

Word is Darnell Washington has a medical flag.

Jalin Hyatt still out there too. I think they go DL in R3 unless they move up for a specific guy. The TE run has largely happened. Schoonmaker off the board.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Kraft, Whyle, and Strange are still there, right? Kuntz would be a flier on athleticism. Higgins as a WR concert is intriguing. Then, Durham or Allen later as an inline complement to Musgrave.

[pittstang5]

Damn - Eagles just took the Safety I liked - Sydney Brown

[George Cumby]

dude looks pretty awesome

why did so many people have him so low?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZhCz2IlINg

Lots to like there.

Almost always gets away from the first tackle, fast feet, nimble, heady.

[MadScientist]

Damn - Eagles just took the Safety I liked - Sydney Brown

Yeah I wanted him to fall to the Packers. He went earlier than I expected. Maybe the Packers can get his brother.

[Sparkey]

Tucker Kraft

[Fosco33]

Now we just trolling karon

[run pMc]

tucker Kraft is a poor man's Michael Mayer. Not a bad pick. Decent value in R3 for where he was on a lot of boards.
Can he break the R3 curse?

He can play inline (Y). The TE room just got interesting with Kraft and Musgrave. Big infusion of size and athleticism.

[run pMc]

Here's Kraft's RAS card --
https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1652130810189737984

Alabama was supposedly trying to get him to transfer and offered him a bunch of NIL money and he turned it down to stay at SDSU.
He draws a bit-too-on-the-nose comparisons to Dallas Goddart (same school) but I think he could be a good pick by Year 3. Depends on what's between the ears.

Between Kraft and Musgrave, the days of lower RAS TEs like Sternberger are gone. These are big guys who can run, and if they go 12 personnel could have some fun. MLF must be very happy.

[MadScientist]

At least this 3rd round TE has a RAS score in the 9's instead of the 5's, so maybe he won't suck like Dick-Rod and Nothingberger.

[run pMc]

At least this 3rd round TE has a RAS score in the 9's instead of the 5's, so maybe he won't suck like Dick-Rod and Nothingberger.

Yeah, both these guys have a RAS above 9.5, which is bonkers. Musgrave is probably going to be Tonyan (F) and Kraft more the Lewis (Y) role, with some interchangeability. These guys will be faster than most LBs and much bigger than any safety.

[sharpe1027]

Maybe our QB new will throw to them and attack the middle of the field a bit more.

[run pMc]

I would expect they will. We'll see about that old adage about a TE being a young QB's best friend as an outlet receiver.

Are they done at TE? Do they look at Josh Whyle on Day 3?
I hae to think they will start looking at defense (DL and S) next. There are many top-100 players out there

Best Available players
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft/bestavailable

[sharpe1027]

I agree they likely go back to defense. I suspect they then pickup OL and QB with some of those late picks.

[Fritz]

so reed also has some return experience

he also played one year at my alma mater western michigan. just like greg jennings, corey davis and sky moore

Red, I did not know you were a Western guy, but given your legendary drinking skills I guess I ought to have known.

Luke Musgrave - I don't know. Harv likes him.The stuff you guys posted about him reminds me of DickRod. Tucker Kraft - the bits of tape I saw, I think I could beat him in a forty yard dash, and I'm 62.

And Reed - I'm from the State of Michigan, and I don't know jack about the guy. Seems kinda small for the Pack, but maybe they're thinking slot. My friend thinks Bisaccia might have influenced that pick - a punt returner.

I'm not super pumped, but at least they didn't draft Branch.Wait til Christian Watson blows by him for a TD catch at Ford Field next year!

I don't know. Today the picks seem kinda "meh," but I don't know shit. I really don't. So we'll see.

[Fritz]

They goddamn well better draft Jake Moody, after picking up all these fifth and sixth rounders today.

[sharpe1027]

. Tucker Kraft - the bits of tape I saw, I think I could beat him in a forty yard dash, and I'm 62.


He's not going to out run any safeties, but he's also not slow.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Kraft breaks the curse—provided he stays healthy

[wthigoot]

They goddamn well better draft Jake Moody, after picking up all these fifth and sixth rounders today.
Niners took him at 99 - at least they didn't trade up

OOPS punter is what you trade up for

[run pMc]

They goddamn well better draft Jake Moody, after picking up all these fifth and sixth rounders today.

SF drafted Moody.

Washington and Battle, two guys I liked, also drafted by PIT and CIN respectively.

[Joemailman]

Red, I did not know you were a Western guy, but given your legendary drinking skills I guess I ought to have known.

Luke Musgrave - I don't know. Harv likes him.The stuff you guys posted about him reminds me of DickRod. Tucker Kraft - the bits of tape I saw, I think I could beat him in a forty yard dash, and I'm 62.

And Reed - I'm from the State of Michigan, and I don't know jack about the guy. Seems kinda small for the Pack, but maybe they're thinking slot. My friend thinks Bisaccia might have influenced that pick - a punt returner.

I'm not super pumped, but at least they didn't draft Branch.Wait til Christian Watson blows by him for a TD catch at Ford Field next year!

I don't know. Today the picks seem kinda "meh," but I don't know shit. I really don't. So we'll see.

Tucker Kraft ran a 4.69 40 which was middle of the pack among the TE's that ran. But his overall RAS score was excellent. Good or elite in every category.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqeG7gbWIAAMIAs?format=jpg&name=small

Musgrave was even better.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fu1wap7XgAAmrId?format=jpg&name=small

Richard Rodgers:

https://i0.wp.com/ras.football/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/richard-rodgers-ras-11524.png?resize=806%2C522&ssl=1

Reed has a much lower RAS score, although some of that has to do with height/weight, not how he performed. Had a good performance at Senior Bowl which impressed Packers. Also played with bad QB's at Michigan St. He will be a slot/motion guy. Has Jennings type speed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtZsD8lX0AAKwMp?format=jpg&name=small

[red]

Red, I did not know you were a Western guy, but given your legendary drinking skills I guess I ought to have known.

Luke Musgrave - I don't know. Harv likes him.The stuff you guys posted about him reminds me of DickRod. Tucker Kraft - the bits of tape I saw, I think I could beat him in a forty yard dash, and I'm 62.

And Reed - I'm from the State of Michigan, and I don't know jack about the guy. Seems kinda small for the Pack, but maybe they're thinking slot. My friend thinks Bisaccia might have influenced that pick - a punt returner.

I'm not super pumped, but at least they didn't draft Branch.Wait til Christian Watson blows by him for a TD catch at Ford Field next year!

I don't know. Today the picks seem kinda "meh," but I don't know shit. I really don't. So we'll see.

i was there at the same time as our coach (didn't know him), might have played some pickup basketball or football against him, but who knows

probably drank some with him but really wouldn't remember

[red]

athlon had craft as the #2 TE

draft ace as the #4 TE

[RashanGary]

Harvey had musgrave as the #3 in a deep class. That’s a good omen. I guess he ran over 20mph at the senior bowl practice. Being 6’6”, a lot of times guys that tall look like their lumbering, but he looks like he’s moving. Obviously an elite athlete. There’s a good chance we hit on one of them.

[MadScientist]

Tucker Kraft ran a 4.69 40 which was middle of the pack among the TE's that ran. But his overall RAS score was excellent. Good or elite in every category.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqeG7gbWIAAMIAs?format=jpg&name=small

Musgrave was even better.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fu1wap7XgAAmrId?format=jpg&name=small

Richard Rodgers:

https://i0.wp.com/ras.football/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/richard-rodgers-ras-11524.png?resize=806%2C522&ssl=1

Reed has a much lower RAS score, although some of that has to do with height/weight, not how he performed. Had a good performance at Senior Bowl which impressed Packers. Also played with bad QB's at Michigan St. He will be a slot/motion guy. Has Jennings type speed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtZsD8lX0AAKwMp?format=jpg&name=small

Just looking at his 40 time and some scouting reports, I was dubious of this pick. My TV is glad I didn't see this RAS card when he was drafted. How the hell was he taken in the 3rd. And as soon as they got rid of him, they picked Sternberger was just as bad. Perhaps they have finally learned not to pick poor athletes at skill positions.
https://i0.wp.com/ras.football/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/jace-sternberger-ras-19900.png?resize=806%2C522&ssl=1

And somehow neither of those two plodders could block worth a damn either.

[RashanGary]

You can see musgrave has room to add weight. And he’s more than athletic enough at 253, so if he settles in around 260 he should still be more than functional as a pass catcher. Sounds like he has potential as a blocker. He has a chance. There is a whole lot of things that have to go right for him to be a legit nfl player, but he’s got the tools, so maybe. The other guy too. One of them is bound to hit.

[MadScientist]

This draft is probably going to suck, because so far I like it. They doubled up on TE's with athleticism - something they haven't had since Finley. They picked up a receiver with good speed and good moves off the line to get open quick. And they picked up an edge rusher with good speed and power. Plus they picked up an extra 5th and 6th. I would have like them to have gotten one of the Illinois safeties, but they got snatched up before the Packers picked.

[Fritz]

Tucker Kraft ran a 4.69 40 which was middle of the pack among the TE's that ran. But his overall RAS score was excellent. Good or elite in every category.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqeG7gbWIAAMIAs?format=jpg&name=small

Musgrave was even better.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fu1wap7XgAAmrId?format=jpg&name=small

Richard Rodgers:

https://i0.wp.com/ras.football/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/richard-rodgers-ras-11524.png?resize=806%2C522&ssl=1

Reed has a much lower RAS score, although some of that has to do with height/weight, not how he performed. Had a good performance at Senior Bowl which impressed Packers. Also played with bad QB's at Michigan St. He will be a slot/motion guy. Has Jennings type speed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtZsD8lX0AAKwMp?format=jpg&name=small


I’ve been Patlerized!!!

I really didn’t like the Reed and Kraft picks, so they’ll probably end up being good.

Rashan made a good point - Kraft May look like he’s lumbering down the field because he’s tall. Guess we’ll see. Just not feeling fired up.

[King Friday]

I do like the elite athletes we are getting compared to years past. You will find it difficult to draft All Pros if you draft mediocre athletes. My main complaint is that the TEs may need several years to become impact starters. To me, Reed is the best pick at this point because he’s most likely to provide immediate benefit.

[run pMc]

Being a good athlete doesn't necessarily make you a good football player, but it doesn't hurt.
Yeah DickRod had really slow 40 and I don't recall anything great about his numbers. IIRC it was a bad TE class most didn't care for the pick.
Sternberger had production but didn't test that great.

I think they've learned to draft high end athletes everywhere they can, which is why they didn't grab a safety yet.
One way you could describe this draft so far is speed -- they got faster.

[run pMc]

One of them is bound to hit.
Agree, hopefully both do. GB has done more double dipping in recent years and I like that idea. More likely to hit on a good one that way.

[RashanGary]

I do like the elite athletes we are getting compared to years past. You will find it difficult to draft All Pros if you draft mediocre athletes. My main complaint is that the TEs may need several years to become impact starters. To me, Reed is the best pick at this point because he’s most likely to provide immediate benefit.

Yeah. It’s really hard to envision either of these tight ends being even slightly below average in their rookie years. That position is so overwhelming to young guys. They’re involved in blocking schemes. They’re involved in passing concepts. Not only do they have to master technique blocking in line, but they have to also become proficient with movement type blocks, which is a whole other set of techniques to feel out. Outside of QB, its the position that has the most on its plate. I give these guys about a zero percent chance at being average in their rookie years. Even down the road, tight ends are the hardest to project. Some make it for unknown reasons and others don’t.

You love the athletic profiles. Reed is the safest bet, and the most likely to contribute early. But I’m glad they took two high potential swipes at TE in a deep class. If one of these guys is a top 5 TE three years from now, that is a true game changer. It’s two big swings for the fences. Let’s see how it pans out.

[RashanGary]

Travis Kelce had less than 1,000 yards in 3 years in college. He missed the 2010 season for violating team rules. He did next to nothing until his senior season. But he was an elite athlete. And you could envision a great player.

George Kittle had less than 800 yards in 4 seasons. He was a good blocker but an underutilized passing weapon that didn’t have much on tape to get excited about. But he was an elite athlete and you could envision him becoming a great player with his skillset.

Kelce went in the 3rd round. Kittle went in the 5th.


Kelce had a redshirt rookie year. Kittle had a ho hum rookie year. Both took off in year 2.



There is absolutely no saying that we got even one great player with these second and 3rd round swings. But they’re swings for the fences, much like Kelce and Kittle. I don’t expect much in 2023, but i feel good about the gamble on both picks and we’re in damn good shape if one of these guys ends up the home run pick you can envision them becoming in year 2.

[RashanGary]

Reed might be the safest pick as a year 1 contributor. But the tight ends give you some hope for an absolute difference maker at tight end. And that is far more exciting!

[Joemailman]

The 2 trade downs during round 2 were turned into Dontayvion Wicks and Karl Brooks. Nicely done Gute.

[Fritz]

My guess is they knew they wanted Reed and also were pretty damn sure he'd still be around at the end of the round, or at least for several picks.