Official day 3 of the 2023 NFL draft thread

[RashanGary]

Colby Wooden looks like a nice rotational piece. Very athletic. Pass rush specialist inside with potential to play a little on early downs too. You’re not going to get ready to play all around DL in the 4th round, but he has a skillset that you can use situationally.

Definitely not your ho hum, slug of a 4th round pick. If the big guy last year is a run specialist, this guy is the pass specialist. Nice to have moveable pieces

[texaspackerbacker]

Again with this pick, I'm pleased position-wise. We probably need a Safety, though. Other than that, I like the way things have gone so far.

[RashanGary]

Tucker Kraft might be a safer pick than Musgrave. Kraft may have average top speed, but his 10 yard and agility is elite for the position. That’s more of the skillset you see inside, creating space on short to intermediate routes and it makes him a high upside player for more of what tight ends are asked to do.

I would not be the least bit surprised if Kraft is the better player. He has top 10 TE upside. Musgrave has a chance to be like prime Jimmy Graham, but that’s kind of a long shot. Kraft being good is more likely than Musgrave being great or even good imo. If both pan out, it’s sure nice to have two different ones though.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I liked Wooden, but didn’t think he’d be a fit for the Packers 3-4.

[pittstang5]

Sean Clifford - A Penn State QB - Yuck, I just threw up in my mouth.

[RashanGary]

Sean Clifford - A Penn State QB - Yuck, I just threw up in my mouth.

You’ll be hard pressed to find an uglier scouting report. And this Nigga so white, it’s blinding. I don’t know if I’ve ever been more sure that a guy was a failure on day one than I am with this guy. Ugh.

[King Friday]

Really? A QB now? I guess there isn’t much faith in anyone else on the roster than Love right now.

[King Friday]

Gute is bordering on an F grade in this draft from me. Hope I’m wrong but this is abysmal.

[HarveyWallbangers]

First Packers pick that I didn’t scout—which means he didn’t play in the Shrine Game or Senior Bowl or get a combine invite. I have no opinion on him.

[NewsBruin]

Really? A QB now? I guess there isn’t much faith in anyone else on the roster than Love right now.

There's only SomeGuy Etling on the roster right now.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Really? A QB now? I guess there isn’t much faith in anyone else on the roster than Love right now.

You’ve been shitty from the start—even though they made good picks on day 1 and 2. We all knew they’d take a QB, so this is a dumb take.

[King Friday]

You’ve been shitty from the start—even though they made good picks on day 1 and 2. We all knew they’d take a QB, so this is a dumb take.

I guess we will see, won’t we? I liked the draft last year. This year, it feels like the Yankees are at bat and taking nothing but home run swings. If they mostly hit, hurrah…but Gute’s record says that isn’t likely.

[MadScientist]

Definitely a project. I'm guessing they see enough arm that they think he can develop. Probably means the Packers keep 3 QBs this year. With luck, in 2-3 years he can be turned into a 2nd or even a 1st.

[wthigoot]

Would think they need a vet to back up Love, so Clifford or Etling for practice squad.

[pittstang5]

Would think they need a vet to back up Love, so Clifford or Etling for practice squad.

Agreed - I figured they'd wait till AR was gone, then bring in a veteran. Draft was a couple days after AR went bye bye, so I'm going to assume next week they'll start bringing someone in.

I think I remember reading Wentz being an option, which I'm not keen on. Matty Ice would be ok, but I'm not sure if Matty Ice is ready to accept that he's now a backup.

[smuggler]

Harvey and Friday hitting skulls is strange to me. I didn't think Friday was that down in Van Ness, at least off the cuff.

[RashanGary]

I guess we will see, won’t we? I liked the draft last year. This year, it feels like the Yankees are at bat and taking nothing but home run swings. If they mostly hit, hurrah…but Gute’s record says that isn’t likely.

Gute is a clean up power hitter. He does pretty well with his home run swings. When he chokes up and tries to hit for average he fails every time. Except Enagbare. That might be his one contact swing that worked out. Might be.

[pittstang5]

Maybe the Pack is going to convert the Penn St QB to Safety. Yep, that's it - that's what they're gonna do. I now love the pick.

[smuggler]

Wicks is a slot type all the way. He had better learn to battle because he does not have the speed to outrun a soul.

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Dontayvion-Wicks-WR-Virginia

[MadScientist]

Damn, Cindy got Chase Brown. I wad hoping the Packrrs would get him.

[RashanGary]

5th round picks starting to feel less exciting. Yikes. We got through the 4th round with guys who all looked like they have a good shot and now the party is over. Looks like garbage from here on out.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Harvey and Friday hitting skulls is strange to me. I didn't think Friday was that down in Van Ness, at least off the cuff.

Maybe I’m mistaking him for somebody else, but I don’t think so. I don’t know how anybody could be too down in LVN. He was such an obvious pick for us. We got two of the top 5 TEs in a strong TE draft—when TE is our biggest need. Both good value. I thought Reed was taken a bit early, but the Packers should get the benefit of the doubt on round 2 WRs for now. I would have rather had Benton instead of Reed and just about any S instead of Clifford, but shit like this happens every draft.

[RashanGary]

When you have 8 picks in the last 3 rounds, you’d like to think you’ll get one though.

[HarveyWallbangers]

5th round picks starting to feel less exciting. Yikes. We got through the 4th round with guys who all looked like they have a good shot and now the party is over. Looks like garbage from here on out.

Still some interesting guys at safety (Taylor), IOL, RB. Landers and Ford-Wheaton at WR.

[smuggler]

Maybe I’m mistaking him for somebody else, but I don’t think so. I don’t know how anybody could be too down in LVN. He was such an obvious pick for us. We got two of the top 5 TEs in a strong TE draft—when TE is our biggest need. Both good value. I thought Reed was taken a bit early, but the Packers should get the benefit of the doubt on round 2 WRs for now. I would have rather had Benton instead of Reed and just about any S instead of Clifford, but shit like this happens every draft.

Kind of agree with you, but in fairness to Friday he wasn't against LVN, he doesn't have faith in the DC, which is absolutely reasonable.

[King Friday]

Yeah, I love Van Ness as an athlete. I just wish Gute would give MLF more impact talent on offense once in awhile. I was high on JSN for our scheme. I think he would’ve been huge with Watson. I like Reed, but we are still very unproven at WR, and the new TEs will take at least a year to get up to speed.

[RashanGary]

Since 2012

Hyde
Bakh
Lindsley
Aaron Jones
MVS
Runyan
Enagbare

I like Rasheed Walkers chances. Ford and Slaton might be rotational guys.


But we don’t even get one guy in the last 3 rounds per year. It’s not good.

[MadScientist]

Wicks sounds like special teams fodder.

[RashanGary]

Oh, and Bakh was a 4tg rounder. We literally hit about one guy every other year in rounds 5-7. Horrible odds.

[run pMc]

I hate hate hate the Sean Clifford pick. I know he had a visit with GB but thought it was as a UDFA recruiting thing, not a R5 pick.
Oh, BTW he's actually OLDER than JLove, so maybe he's the veteran backup QB.

I guess if it saves them money spent on a useless horrible backup QB in the FA it's maybe worth it, but I thought there were better options available.

[RashanGary]

I hate hate hate the Sean Clifford pick. I know he had a visit with GB but thought it was as a UDFA recruiting thing, not a R5 pick.
Oh, BTW he's actually OLDER than JLove, so maybe he's the veteran backup QB.

I guess if it saves them money spent on a useless horrible backup QB in the FA it's maybe worth it, but I thought there were better options available.

I’ve never been less inspired than when I read that scouting report. My gf was giving me head while I was reading through that report. The wind was sucked right out of my sails and I started crying. It really wrecked my day.

[run pMc]

The Colby Wooden pick is a weird one also. Not sure how he fits. Is he a big EDGE? A DLineman? I'm not sure.

Welp, per the Packers:

On where Wooden will play: "We're gonna play him at defensive tackle. He's a defensive tackle, big end type. Big, powerful ... he can definitely play (tackle). He's got the frame to carry what he needs to play D-tackle."

They certainly need bodies there, and dude is super athletic. Undersized, but if he can get to 290+ and not lose much athleticism he has some upside. I guess he's the Dean Lowry replacement? At least he's got long arms and can run.

[run pMc]

The Dontayion Wicks pick isn't bad. He's athletic and his 2021 tape is good. 2022 UVA had a new coach and an abysmal offense.
Wicks has some drops concerns but that can often (not always) be fixed. He has some upside and R5 WR is a lotto ticket.

[smuggler]

I’ve never been less inspired than when I read that scouting report. My gf was giving me head while I was reading through that report. The wind was sucked right out of my sails and I started crying. It really wrecked my day.

Hero post of the day

[run pMc]

Yeah, a lot to unpack in that one.

[smuggler]

I thank God every day we don't have Stoneburner on the team.

[Sparkey]

Seems like they are leaning towards quick, penetrating disrupter types instead of big ole space eaters.

[wthigoot]

6th rounder Brooks looks more like a DT on paper, 6-3, 300 lbs. Probably a dev guy since he played in the MAC. Rushed off the edge some. Still looking for the new Keith McKenzie?

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

I’ve never been less inspired than when I read that scouting report. My gf was giving me head while I was reading through that report. The wind was sucked right out of my sails and I started crying. It really wrecked my day.

Your girlfriend was giving you head and you were reading a report?

Hmm, head seems to have changed since I was a young man..

[run pMc]

6th rounder Brooks looks more like a DT on paper, 6-3, 300 lbs. Probably a dev guy since he played in the MAC. Rushed off the edge some. Still looking for the new Keith McKenzie?

Karl Brooks is an interesting pick. Standup rusher at 300 pounds, I'd assume he's playing DT for them. Like I said with Wooden, they needed bodies at DL, but it's a curious pick. I haven't looked at him at all, I'll have to go back and watch him.
He's apparently very good at pass rushing so they are adding that to the DL. Not much emphasis on stopping the run, but I guess they already have the bit NT types with guys like Slaton and Johnathon Ford.

[run pMc]

Have to think they take a look at S soon.

[RashanGary]

Wicks has the James Jones profile

[MadScientist]

At least they traded down to get a kicker, not up. Still would rather they just signed Parker Romo from San Antonio in the XFL.

[smuggler]

Carlson has the pedigree, but man it is going to feel bad if this is JK Scott again.

[Bretsky]

You’ll be hard pressed to find an uglier scouting report. And this Nigga so white, it’s blinding. I don’t know if I’ve ever been more sure that a guy was a failure on day one than I am with this guy. Ugh.


This is the guy that got us on the board RG; not hare to see why GB drafted him.

High RAS and they had him in for interviews and he probably killed it interview wise
Great Community guy even when in college with no money...he was giving up his time while being a QB at Penn State with Big Brothers and Sisters and other good foundations
And very intelligent guy who understands the game with a great attitude. He's a backup QB

No more shitbags to cheer for at QB :)

I thought GB would draft him, but....maybe not quite so soon

[MadScientist]

Bears pick a punter. Good choice given how often they punt.

[smuggler]

O-linemen selected in 4 of the last 7 picks before our spot at 232...

[Fritz]

I liked Wooden, but didn’t think he’d be a fit for the Packers 3-4.

I dunno Harv. He seems a little . . . wooden to me.

Sorry had to do it. I'm a little . . . board.

[smuggler]

Kinda wondering if the Packers are just picking dudes with cool names at this point.

[Fritz]

Seems like they are leaning towards quick, penetrating disrupter types instead of big ole space eaters.

Are you talking about the Packers or RashanGary's girlfriend?

[run pMc]

No idea who that dude is. A CB from Kentucky who has trouble staying with receivers was the scouting report on ESPN.
Cool name tho. Worthy of a soap opera.

[MadScientist]

Kinda wondering if the Packers are just picking dudes with cool names at this point.

In round 7, that's probably as good as any strategy.

[run pMc]

Lew Nichols III, RB Central Michigan

Kind of a bowling ball runner IIRC

[smuggler]

Scouting report reads like a bargain bin version of AJ Dillon.

[Fritz]

This is the guy that got us on the board RG; not hare to see why GB drafted him.

High RAS and they had him in for interviews and he probably killed it interview wise
Great Community guy even when in college with no money...he was giving up his time while being a QB at Penn State with Big Brothers and Sisters and other good foundations
And very intelligent guy who understands the game with a great attitude. He's a backup QB

No more shitbags to cheer for at QB :)

I thought GB would draft him, but....maybe not quite so soon

Bretsky, he sounds like a great human being, but truth be told we fans will take an axe murderer if he can win. We don't give a damn about boy scouts unless they're good players, and even than it makes us a little uncomfortable.

[run pMc]

Grant DuBose and Moro Ojomo still on the board. Keaton Mitchell too. Just sayin.

[run pMc]

Will be curious to see who they bring in as UDFAs

Not a safety in the group at the moment

[run pMc]

Scouting report reads like a bargain bin version of AJ Dillon.

Which makes sense when you consider AJ Dillon is on the last year of his contract.

[red]

NEVER DRAFT A KICKER OR PUNTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fuck this draft

[Fritz]

No idea who that dude is. A CB from Kentucky who has trouble staying with receivers was the scouting report on ESPN.
Cool name tho. Worthy of a soap opera.

Carrington Valentine? I think he starred in "All My Children."

That name is right up there with Shemale Jean Claude Van Damme. Probably same talent level, too. Special teams, baby!

[MadScientist]

Lew Nichols III, RB Central Michigan

Kind of a bowling ball runner IIRC

Not a special athlete, but could be a good ST player.

[Fritz]

Have to think they take a look at S soon.

Safeties? We don't need no stinkin' safeties!

Apparently we don't. Crickets on that front. Maybe Joe Barely is inventing a new defense that requires no safeties at all.

[run pMc]

No RAS for Nichols, but Valentine's exists. Pretty good athlete. Will play ST at worst.

https://ras.football/ras-information/?PlayerID=23291&ovl=Kentucky

[run pMc]

Safeties? We don't need no stinkin' safeties!

Apparently we don't. Crickets on that front. Maybe Joe Barely is inventing a new defense that requires no safeties at all.

You never know, although I wouldn't think Barry the creative type to come up with that.
I thought it was very interesting that after the Van Ness pick, Gute mentioned more than once that there were high expectations for the defense. Gute may not have say in the coaching staff, but it's clear Barry is on a very hot seat. All those high draft picks and you can't look competent for half the season at best.

[run pMc]

There's the safety.

Anthony Johnson Jr., ISU
converted fron CB to S his senior year. Pretty good athlete but don't know anything else about him.

[run pMc]

Not a special athlete, but could be a good ST player.

I see some people calling him "Fit Eddie Lacy".
he's 5"10, 220 so they might not be far off. Some of his highlights are fun.
I think he's got at least decent feet and vision, he doesn't look fast though. Looks like a 4.6+ 40 guy but I bet his broad and vert jumps are very good.

615 carries and another 71 receptions, some wear off the tires but not like AJ Dillon (who was something like 850 touches out of BC).
He'll be good competition for Patrick Taylor and any others they bring in.

[MadScientist]

There's the safety.

Anthony Johnson Jr., ISU
converted fron CB to S his senior year. Pretty good athlete but don't know anything else about him.
That's mostly it at this point. A project with enough tools he might pan out. Otherwise he covers punts for a reason or two.

[Fritz]

There's the safety.

Anthony Johnson Jr., ISU
converted fron CB to S his senior year. Pretty good athlete but don't know anything else about him.

What a goofy collection of dudes they've drafted today. Guys with hybrid builds and abilities, and a QB who was terrible as a college QB.

Special teams gonna carry the day this year, baby! That's really what you're mostly getting in rounds six and seven. But this Anders Carlson dude seems like a bit of a desperation pick. He's about as accurate as a drunk standing six feet away from a urinal.

But the Clifford pick also smells of desperation. That one made my wienie shrink.

But hey, it's the dregs at this point. It is what it is. Like I said, mostly special teamers now.

Bisaccia has lots of toys now.

[Fritz]

That's mostly it at this point. A project with enough tools he might pan out. Otherwise he covers punts for a reason or two.

To get a paycheck?

[run pMc]

That's mostly it at this point. A project with enough tools he might pan out. Otherwise he covers punts for a reason or two.

I'm sure this endeared himself to GB
https://twitter.com/cfchangs9/status/1578911956563808256

[run pMc]

I'm gonna guess their last pick will be Nick Hampton, the App State kid. Just a hunch.

[run pMc]

What a goofy collection of dudes they've drafted today. Guys with hybrid builds and abilities, and a QB who was terrible as a college QB.

Special teams gonna carry the day this year, baby! That's really what you're mostly getting in rounds six and seven. But this Anders Carlson dude seems like a bit of a desperation pick. He's about as accurate as a drunk standing six feet away from a urinal.

But the Clifford pick also smells of desperation. That one made my wienie shrink.

But hey, it's the dregs at this point. It is what it is. Like I said, mostly special teamers now.

Bisaccia has lots of toys now.

I'm actually surprised they kept all the picks. They had thirteen picks. For some teams that's two drafts' worth of picks.
They mentioned "raising the floor" for the level of talent and competition on the roster, I suppose this is one way to do it.

[run pMc]

Of the 12 picks so far, 8 have a RAS of 8 or better, (2 don't have a RAS). Speed and upside are common traits with these picks.

[run pMc]

Grant DuBose!
Wasn't he one of Harvey's draft crushes?

Pretty decent pick for an end of R7 flyer

[run pMc]

Safeties? We don't need no stinkin' safeties!

Apparently we don't. Crickets on that front. Maybe Joe Barely is inventing a new defense that requires no safeties at all.

I heard some scuttlebutt about them being interested in a trade with ARI involving Budda Baker but I'm not sure how that fits with the cap unless they send Savage back lol.

[smuggler]

Throw this many darts and something will probably stick. Trick is to not give up on the right player. Sometimes that happens.

[Bretsky]

Grant DuBose!
Wasn't he one of Harvey's draft crushes?

Pretty decent pick for an end of R7 flyer



YUP, and Anthony Johnson was a great pickup R7 as well IMO

[run pMc]

Throw this many darts and something will probably stick. Trick is to not give up on the right player. Sometimes that happens.

Two straight years of drafting three WR, some of them will stick.

Also: GB took five pass catchers in this draft. If you don't think they got JLove any help I don't know what to tell you.

[MadScientist]

Overall, this was a draft for a team with a poor pass rush, nothing for TE, and short on WR. Aka, last year's Packers. Unfortunately, this means that they were drafting for the holes they have, instead of the holes that will be coming up in a year or two.

[run pMc]

And they are already on to signing UDFA's.
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2023/4/29/23704823/green-bay-packers-2023-undrafted-free-agent-tracker

[run pMc]

Overall, this was a draft for a team with a poor pass rush, nothing for TE, and short on WR. Aka, last year's Packers. Unfortunately, this means that they were drafting for the holes they have, instead of the holes that will be coming up in a year or two.

Possibly. They had no cap space and in many cases no bodies at some of the positions. I suppose you could say they drafted for need, but I would counter that they tried to read the board for when runs would happen and generally did well.
They could have taken JSN but went for what they thought was a better player with LVN, got two of the top TEs before they were gone, etc.

I don't think it was a bad draft, but we won't really know for a couple of years. This team had talent, but it had a lot of holes and vacancies. It was bound to happen that they'd address needs... imagine if they drafted Will Levis and waiting until Day 3 to take a pass catcher

I guess I'm somewhat agreeing with you, but I don't think they really had any other option, and I don't think they necessarily reached except on 1 or 2 picks.

[King Friday]

Two straight years of drafting three WR, some of them will stick.

Also: GB took five pass catchers in this draft. If you don't think they got JLove any help I don't know what to tell you.

The majority of those pass catchers won’t amount to much of anything in 2023. Helping Love 3 years from now isn’t much of a help.

[RashanGary]

Interesting receiver room

Watson is an outside vertical threat and has the ability to take screens and jet sweeps to the house.
Doubs is an outside prototype do everything kind of guy
Reed is a slot with jet sweep and screen ability
Wicks is a James Jones sort of size / short area possession type without deep speed
Dubose is in the James Jones mold too
Toure is in the Driver mold


I like that the top 3 have such different strengths. Kind of an ideal mix of talent types. Then the possession guys are a nice change up, and Toure has a chance. Pretty sure we got two good ones last year. If we get one good one this year, that makes 3 good young ones and that’s a nice start. Receiver room replenished.

[RashanGary]

Rasheed Walker is very intriguing to me. Last year in preseason, and I think he played a couple snaps in the regular season…. He looked so natural and balanced out there. He never got to test because of injury. I wonder what kind of upside he has and how good he could be. I would not be the least bit shocked if we somehow lucked into a 7th round starting LT.

[Bretsky]

Interesting receiver room

Watson is an outside vertical threat and has the ability to take screens and jet sweeps to the house.
Doubs is an outside prototype do everything kind of guy
Reed is a slot with jet sweep and screen ability
Wicks is a James Jones sort of size / short area possession type without deep speed
Dubose is in the James Jones mold too
Toure is in the Driver mold


I like that the top 3 have such different strengths. Kind of an ideal mix of talent types. Then the possession guys are a nice change up, and Toure has a chance. Pretty sure we got two good ones last year. If we get one good one this year, that makes 3 good young ones and that’s a nice start. Receiver room replenished.



Love the look of the room as well

We are rebuilding and we have a LOT of needs.

I think trading back and picking up volume was what this team needed.

I just hope Jordan Love looks good so we don't have to start the ship all over at QB

With or without Karen we weren't winning it all so it was undoubtedly time to move on

[red]

And they are already on to signing UDFA's.
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2023/4/29/23704823/green-bay-packers-2023-undrafted-free-agent-tracker

i think they started doing that around round 5

[RashanGary]

Love the look of the room as well

We are rebuilding and we have a LOT of needs.

I think trading back and picking up volume was what this team needed.

I just hope Jordan Love looks good so we don't have to start the ship all over at QB

With or without Karen we weren't winning it all so it was undoubtedly time to move on

If Love stinks, I hope we bomb out bad. Worst team in the league bad so we get a shot at the best QB

[Bretsky]

If Love stinks, I hope we bomb out bad. Worst team in the league bad so we get a shot at the best QB


Agree; and not the end of the world if we struggle but Love shows promise.

Hopefully he's either bad or great; in the NFL Purgatory is having an average starting QB

Top 2 QB's coming out next year seem to be really really elite. Good year to have 2 1sts

[RashanGary]

Agree; and not the end of the world if we struggle but Love shows promise.

Hopefully he's either bad or great; in the NFL Purgatory is having an average starting QB

Top 2 QB's coming out next year seem to be really really elite. Good year to have 2 1sts

Two firsts is good, but if those two guys are as good as advertised, it’s gonna take one of the top two picks. And no one will trade out if they think they have a franchise guy.

So yeah, let’s hope Love is great or horrible. I agree with the NFL purgatory thing, having a middle of the road QB. Let’s lose them all if we’re gonna lose.

[MadScientist]

Possibly. They had no cap space and in many cases no bodies at some of the positions. I suppose you could say they drafted for need, but I would counter that they tried to read the board for when runs would happen and generally did well.

It's the lack of bodies a positions that bothers me. We could all see holes coming at WR, and that they haven't had a good TE in forever. Yet instead of picking for the future in those positions in previous drafts, Gute waited until the situation was desperate. Very few players make a splash in their first year, so Gute should be drafting where the holes will be in 1-2 years from now to keep the team performing at a high level. Hopefully they won't have a gaping hole somewhere (OL perhaps) in a year or two.

[Fritz]

It's the lack of bodies a positions that bothers me. We could all see holes coming at WR, and that they haven't had a good TE in forever. Yet instead of picking for the future in those positions in previous drafts, Gute waited until the situation was desperate. Very few players make a splash in their first year, so Gute should be drafting where the holes will be in 1-2 years from now to keep the team performing at a high level. Hopefully they won't have a gaping hole somewhere (OL perhaps) in a year or two.

The obvious problem is that if you draft for two to three years down the road, you've still got the current giant holes to fill. So he more or less had to draft a couple players at positions of need - a couple DT's, a few wide receivers, a couple of tight ends. But that's his fault in a way for having drafted turds like Jace Sternberger, Amari Rodgers, and the like.

I am not sold on Gute. At all. But now that his co-GM is gone, the team really is his - no more Rodgers to mollify, but also no more Rodgers to make the team look better than maybe it was. So let's see what he can do.

Same with MLF. I'm excited to see his offense now, but he also better have a much better defense, given the resources invested in that defense. It's ridiculous how many first round picks are out there on the field, and despite that they've mostly been lousy or mediocre.

I think Special Teams is actually going to be the strongest of the three units this year, though that kid Carlson looks terribly inaccurate. I read that he's been hurt, and maybe the Pack thinks that's why his percentage was not very good at all.

[run pMc]

I agree with drafting for areas a year ahead and not having to start a lot of rookies, but let's remember this team was basically all-in the last 2-3 years. That probably impacted their draft strategy somewhat and definitely impacted their FA/cap work.

I think they will be much more upside and long-term with their picks, the general idea is draft best players available and fill in the remaining holes in free agency. They can't really do that because of their cap situation.
As for pass catchers, they drafted a lot which is good because some will have to play and they need better talent than the Juwann Winfrees of the world. You can't realistically expect a rookie WR to catch more than 30-40 passes, but with the lack of veterans at WR/TE you never know.

I don't want the team to stink and don't think they will, they actually have some pretty good talent on the roster and I think MLF is at least an ok coach. Between where they and the Jets probably end the season, i suspect they could package both R1's (I assume Ar plays 65%+) to move up into the top 5 if they really wanted to.

[Fritz]

One thing I think Guter has learned from TT, who learned from Wolf, is that if you have a deep hole at a particular position, you are really taking a risk if you draft one guy from a draft to fill that hole. You draft at least two, and see if one pans out. Sometimes, like Wolf did with corners in '99 when he was trying to combat Randy Moss, you draft three in a row - in the first three rounds. In that draft, the third round guy proved to be the best of the bunch (Mike Mckenzie), and the second-round guy got traded for some fumble-prone running back named Green.

Thompson did it with great success in 2017 with Jamaal Williams (fourth round) and Aaron Jones (fifth round). He did it with a modicum of success in 2018 with J'Mon Moore, Equanimeous St. Brown, and Marquez Valdez-Scantling. He did it and completely bombed with Damarious Randall and Quentin Rollins in 2015.

Mike Sherman pooped the bed twice in 2004 with Admad Carroll and Joey Thomas.

So I think Guter went down that same road this year with tight ends and receivers, and even DL (didn't he draft two guys - in the fourth and sixth?).

Not a bad strategy. Maybe next year he'll do the same with safeties.

[smuggler]

The majority of those pass catchers won’t amount to much of anything in 2023. Helping Love 3 years from now isn’t much of a help.

Pretty important to help Love in 2-3 years because ideally that is the start of our championship window. We are not contenders in 2023 short of a miracle. If Love ends up being a whiff, we will need help in 2024 for when we sign Garoppolo anyway.

[run pMc]

Was there any rookie receiver likely to make a huge impact right away? JSN was the most highly touted and he's a slot who went #20. It was a bad year for WR.
i don't think anyone is going to amount to a ton right now.

Fritz- agree with your point. Gute has loaded up on WR two years in a row now (Watson, Doubs, Toure and now Reed, Wicks, DuBose). It's a nice group of young athletic potential, I'd expect a few to pan out and be very good by 2024/5.