Packers Picks I Liked

[Deputy Nutz]

Luke Musgrave 2nd Round
Some sites actually had him rated as the number 1 tight end in this draft. His film was ok, he attacks the seams of the defense. The point is the Packers needed a TE and they drafted one. You can debate whether or not it was the right one or the wrong one, but that won't really be determined 2 or 3 years from now. Obviously I was on the Darnell Washington Bandwagon, but I thing Injury concerns might have bumped him down some draft boards.


Jayden Reed 2nd Round
Debate who the best receiver still available on the board was all you want, but it doesn't matter. The Packers need receiver help and their belief is that Reed was the best available for their team. I like his versatility and his hands in traffic. Other than that his size and speed ratios were similar to a lot of the receivers in this draft. Mingo going early to the Raiders in the 2nd round might have altered the Packers board. You never know.

Tucker Kraft 3rd Round
Again the Packers know what they needed and they truly believed that Kraft was the best available tight end. I would have taken Washington, but I don't know what I don't know. I like Kraft and I think SDST plays in a very tough conference, and I don't believe the competition is that much of fall from some of the FBS schools out their. No Power 5 teams really want to play SDST or NDST anymore because they don't want the competition and potential loss in Non-Conference. He can block good, he can run good, he can catch good.

Colby Wooten 4th Round
Offers a lot of flexibility along the defensive front. He was one of the defensive lineman/ Edges that I liked before the draft. He has some great get off at the snap and attacks the line of scrimmage. No question he was a "Best Player" available pick for the Packers.

Karl Brooks 6th Round
Similar to Wooten, offers a lot of flexibility across the front four on the defensive line/Edge. He as great size and athletic ability. He is a tad raw and he played at Bowling Green. Not sure when he could make an impact for the Packers, it would cool if it was as a rookie. Both Brooks and Wooten have played more ball than Van Ness and I wouldn't be surprised if one or the other actually played more snaps than Van Ness in 2023.

My biggest take away on this draft was the fact that they didn't address the safety position. It is in my opinion the weakest part of their defense and they waited till the 7th round to take someone.

[jklowan]

I also liked the Van Ness Pick, I think he is raw and may require a year or 2 to develop but he is a football player and seems like a hard worker. Safety seems like a big miss, I was shocked that they did not bring in UDFA, there were a few safeties that I thought were interesting

Trey Dean S Florida
Ronnie Hickman S Ohio State
Daniel Scott S California
Kaevon Merriweather S Iowa
Brandon Joseph S Notre Dame

Maybe this is the one spot that a FA will be signed, Amos is still out there and Jessie Bates as well

[texaspackerbacker]

There's not much I don't like about this draft except that they didn't get a Safety early on. And according to Rasul Douglas, there's a good chance Amos will be back.

I especially like that they didn't do like some in here and elsewhere wanted, pick O Line early - or at all. Ditto that for Interior D Line and ILB.

I wanted a Edge Rusher, and they got one in the first, apparently Van Ness is really athletic a lot like Gary. Both Wooden and Brooks seem more pass rush specialists - either inside or outside rushers or both. I'm satisfied that we are solid inside with Clark, Wyatt. and Slaton and maybe Ford.

I didn't particularly like Reed or the other two WRs. Reed and one of the others apparently have a history of dropping passes, and small and not so fast isn't as good as big and fast, even for a slot guy. I'm hopeful, though, that Reed may be better than he seems as a WR and that he may be a decent punt returner.

Contrary to what I read from a lot of media pukes and some in here, I like the Clifton pick. If Love got hurt or floundered, I could actually see Clifton stepping in and doing a good job. Neither he nor Love is Aaron Rodgers, of course, and I still can't get over being pessimistic, but the rest of the team IMO is just as loaded as it was during the 13-4 and 14-3 seasons, maybe more so.

I like both TEs, Musgrave better than Kraft simply because he's gonna be both a big play guy and a possession receiver - if Love is any good at getting the ball to him. If Kraft is that big mean type and can block at least a little like Marcedes Lewis, great, and it sounds like he can handle catching passes too. I expect both of these guys to get more use than Deguara, who will probably not do much more than play fullback in some sets.

I'm not thrilled about the Kicker they drafted. The fact that he faded after having an ACL injury is a negative to me. On the other hand, maybe they know something - that if he's fully recovered, he is good.

[call_me_ishmael]

It jumps out to me how fast the Packers went from tons of old contributors to a bunch of yoots running the joint. Other than Bak and Preston do they even have another 30 year old on the roster now? Do they even have a 27 year old? Jaire might be the next oldest guy and he's only entering year 6.

[Joemailman]

It jumps out to me how fast the Packers went from tons of old contributors to a bunch of yoots running the joint. Other than Bak and Preston do they even have another 30 year old on the roster now? Do they even have a 27 year old? Jaire might be the next oldest guy and he's only entering year 6.

They actually have quite a few guys in the 27-28 range. Some are ST guys they brought in last year. Of course, some of them could be replaced by draftees.

[Joemailman]

I like the 1st 4 picks. After that it's a crapshoot. The fact that the Packers took chances on guys who did not have a great 2022 season confirms my belief that this was not a very strong draft. They took some chances they would not have taken with a stronger draft. In the 5th round they took a guy who at best will be a backup QB and a WR who had drops issues in 2022 and ran a 4.62 40. This from a team that in the last decade has drafted Corey Linsley, Aaron Jones, MVS and Enagbare in the 5th round.

[run pMc]

Aaron Jones is 29. There aren't many older players on the team with Lewis, Rodgers, Crosby, & Cobb gone.

I liked most of the picks. As for safety, the depth/talent wasn't really there, so I'm actually ok with them not picking anyone until late. I'd rather they spend a R3 pick on an athletic pass catcher than an undersized safety who is an average-athlete.
The picks for QB and K might be the ones I liked least, but they needed players there and the cost (mid-Day3 picks) was very modest so it's fine.

They didn't take any OL which made sense to me -- once the top guys were gone there just wasn't a lot of good depth, and the way the runs on the board went it didn't make sense to chase one. They have plenty of guys under contract but I'd expect them to drarft a couple next year. I also think they'll look at safety next year, it can't be worse than this year. Probably.

They don't have a lot of cap space after signing these guys, will be interesting to see if they can sign a veteran.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I also liked the Van Ness Pick, I think he is raw and may require a year or 2 to develop but he is a football player and seems like a hard worker. Safety seems like a big miss, I was shocked that they did not bring in UDFA, there were a few safeties that I thought were interesting

Trey Dean S Florida
Ronnie Hickman S Ohio State
Daniel Scott S California
Kaevon Merriweather S Iowa
Brandon Joseph S Notre Dame

Maybe this is the one spot that a FA will be signed, Amos is still out there and Jessie Bates as well
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Dean ran a 4.75 40 and Torrence ran a 4.72 40--effectively making them undraftable. Scott was drafted. I would have liked Scott. He was my safety #8 and I had a 4th round grade on him. I wanted him in round 5. The other two probably hit the thresholds the Packers look for at safety.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Aaron Jones is 29. There aren't many older players on the team with Lewis, Rodgers, Crosby, & Cobb gone.

I liked most of the picks. As for safety, the depth/talent wasn't really there, so I'm actually ok with them not picking anyone until late. I'd rather they spend a R3 pick on an athletic pass catcher than an undersized safety who is an average-athlete.
The picks for QB and K might be the ones I liked least, but they needed players there and the cost (mid-Day3 picks) was very modest so it's fine.

They didn't take any OL which made sense to me -- once the top guys were gone there just wasn't a lot of good depth, and the way the runs on the board went it didn't make sense to chase one. They have plenty of guys under contract but I'd expect them to drarft a couple next year. I also think they'll look at safety next year, it can't be worse than this year. Probably.

They don't have a lot of cap space after signing these guys, will be interesting to see if they can sign a veteran.

Jones is only 28. He won't turn 29 until the end of the season (December). :)

[Fritz]

run has a good take - that idea of not wasting a pick on a "need" if what's available is so athletically limited. Also, if Guter is going to go full-bore drafting multiple players at positions of need, then run is also probably correct that next year they'll draft a ton of safeties and offensive linemen.

[jklowan]

There's not much I don't like about this draft except that they didn't get a Safety early on. And according to Rasul Douglas, there's a good chance Amos will be back.

I especially like that they didn't do like some in here and elsewhere wanted, pick O Line early - or at all. Ditto that for Interior D Line and ILB.

I wanted a Edge Rusher, and they got one in the first, apparently Van Ness is really athletic a lot like Gary. Both Wooden and Brooks seem more pass rush specialists - either inside or outside rushers or both. I'm satisfied that we are solid inside with Clark, Wyatt. and Slaton and maybe Ford.

I didn't particularly like Reed or the other two WRs. Reed and one of the others apparently have a history of dropping passes, and small and not so fast isn't as good as big and fast, even for a slot guy. I'm hopeful, though, that Reed may be better than he seems as a WR and that he may be a decent punt returner.

Contrary to what I read from a lot of media pukes and some in here, I like the Clifton pick. If Love got hurt or floundered, I could actually see Clifton stepping in and doing a good job. Neither he nor Love is Aaron Rodgers, of course, and I still can't get over being pessimistic, but the rest of the team IMO is just as loaded as it was during the 13-4 and 14-3 seasons, maybe more so.

I like both TEs, Musgrave better than Kraft simply because he's gonna be both a big play guy and a possession receiver - if Love is any good at getting the ball to him. If Kraft is that big mean type and can block at least a little like Marcedes Lewis, great, and it sounds like he can handle catching passes too. I expect both of these guys to get more use than Deguara, who will probably not do much more than play fullback in some sets.

I'm not thrilled about the Kicker they drafted. The fact that he faded after having an ACL injury is a negative to me. On the other hand, maybe they know something - that if he's fully recovered, he is good.

People not liking this pick should do side by side film on him and antonio brown. Same size, speed and toughness.

[run pMc]

The Kraft and Colby picks were cheesy

like that pun

[HarveyWallbangers]

For what it's worth, Rich Eisen asked Daniel Jeremiah who had the best draft and the only team he talked about was Green Bay. He really liked their draft.

[Bretsky]

For what it's worth, Rich Eisen asked Daniel Jeremiah who had the best draft and the only team he talked about was Green Bay. He really liked their draft.


Nearly every publication/sites have given the Packers great draft grades that range from the high B to A range

I think a Pro Football Network online writer rated GB as the top draft in the NFL.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Cripes, how many Bears fans did we draft? Van Ness, Reed, and Clifford all Bears fans.

[Deputy Nutz]

Nearly every publication/sites have given the Packers great draft grades that range from the high B to A range

I think a Pro Football Network online writer rated GB as the top draft in the NFL.

Does this give you hope? They drafted where they mostly had holes and Pundits love that shit.

[run pMc]

Some of the pundits are bonkers stupid. Vinnie Iyer downgraded the draft because Gute didn't take an OL. I don't think he even knows who is on the team now that Rodgers is gone -- GB has 13 OL on the roster and the OL depth in the draft was shallow.
I don't pay a lot of attention to draft grades the weekend after it happens, you can't tell anything until you see these guys play in the pros for a while, and after 2-3 years you know if they will pan out and it's a good draft.
It's clickbait for those who need instant gratification.

Better off to go look at some games of the players picked and form your own opinion.

I will say GB had a couple of areas of serious need, and the draft depth lined up nicely with those needs. Gute was shopping where the selection was the best, so that was good. He also did an ok job reading the board and when runs on positions were happening and struck before he felt the talents dropped down a tier. If that gets him a good next-day grade from some national writer who casually tracks the team, I guess that's nice.

[Fritz]

People not liking this pick should do side by side film on him and antonio brown. Same size, speed and toughness.

JK,
I just watched side-by-side film as you suggested in response to TPB's post and his final line of that post, and I can see very little similarity between Antonio Brown and Anders Carlson. Two totally different players.

Run mentioned something that gets under my skin, too - for me, not so much about the draft, as I don't follow it closely, as with announcers of games: how little they know about the teams they're covering. It's frustrating when I know more about the Packers' roster than the announcers doing the game. Do your homework, people.

[texaspackerbacker]

Sounds like some of ya'all are coming around to what I've always been saying about much of the media hahahaha.

[jklowan]

Reed is the same size speed as A Brown, not Carlson :) He was timed at his pro day at 4.37 in the 40, he is anything but slow

[ThunderDan]

Sounds like some of ya'all are coming around to what I've always been saying about much of the media hahahaha.

No one is coming anywhere near your position on the media.

[Bretsky]

Does this give you hope? They drafted where they mostly had holes and Pundits love that shit.

I rarely like a Green Bay draft but I did like this one. We had a shithole of gaps in our roster and drafted athletes in volume to fill our holes and get faster. I would give gutebag a high grade this year and that’s rare for me

[Bretsky]

Sounds like some of ya'all are coming around to what I've always been saying about much of the media hahahaha.

You are kidding right ? Lol

At least we don’t have to listen to that god dam media whore Kurt out his falsities and create drama every Tuesday anymore :)

[RashanGary]

I don’t like journalists very much either. They’re total ass holes and they say they’re just doing their job. Well, find a job where it’s not your responsibility to be a piece of shit then. Quit or be decent.

[texaspackerbacker]

I guess we're getting a picture of who some of the swallowers of media shit are and who aren't.

[Fritz]

I don’t like journalists very much either. They’re total ass holes and they say they’re just doing their job. Well, find a job where it’s not your responsibility to be a piece of shit then. Quit or be decent.

Yeah! They’re all idiots! Horrible human beings! They’re not even really human! Every single one!

Yeah, that’s it. Sure.

Very thoughtful. Nuanced.

[sharpe1027]

Journalist are a direct product of what people consume. People reading the crap articles so they can complain about it are the source of problem.

Moving on.

[RashanGary]

Yeah! They’re all idiots! Horrible human beings! They’re not even really human! Every single one!

Yeah, that’s it. Sure.

Very thoughtful. Nuanced.

I’ll credit the packers.com reporters for doing good. It’s their job to show support when guys make a mistake of have a hard time. The great majority of the rest just love to kick people when they’re down and I don’t support it at all.

[RashanGary]

I’m cool with people here talking shit about players. The guys aren’t going to see it, most likely. It’s not hurtful. But to publicly rip someone who’s doing their best. I don’t like that, at all. It’s a grimy job. Find another profession.

[run pMc]

I’m cool with people here talking shit about players. The guys aren’t going to see it, most likely. It’s not hurtful. But to publicly rip someone who’s doing their best. I don’t like that, at all. It’s a grimy job. Find another profession.

If it's deserved and not personal, it's fair game. It's certainly better than what people say about players out on Twitter.
I agree media will write more of what is consumed - that's why you have "listicles" and opinion pieces that are basically hot-take clickbait. Generally I avoid that stuff because that's what it is. From what I've seen with JSO, Pete Dougherty tends to write opinion pieces, Silverstein writes the stories. As for Packers.com reports, I like Spofford and WesHod but they are employees of the Green Bay Packers, so they are going to give very measured takes. They are usually fair but I take it with a grain of salt.

The national writers tend to get scoops from the agent or star player because it gets national exposure which is beneficial to them, so that can be informative but otherwise those guys are national writers and don't know or follow the team so their takes are usually off (see my comment earlier re: Vinny Iyer).

I don't think media or journalists are garbage, but a few of them are bad. To me, that's like saying cops or teachers are bad. They serve a function.
If you know who the bad ones are, avoid them. If people didn't give them clicks they'd go away.

And like I said, next-day draft grades are dumb.

[HarveyWallbangers]

They are in the same bucket as politicians and lawyers for me. Not all are a bad, but most have an agenda—that most like to hide.

[RashanGary]

Tex takes it a little far, but there are a lot of people who don’t respect the profession generally. Of course, there are exceptions, but a lot of us don’t like the media, generally.

[texaspackerbacker]

Just read the articles that keep showing up. Most of the bastards are ignorant. They don't know as much about OUR team as most of us, like RG said. And worse, they have a God damned agenda to stir up trouble. Not football in this case, but now I see outlandish crap about how Giannis should go somewhere else, some damned east or west coast team maybe ..... sheeeeesh, that after all the shit they stirred up about Rodgers. If that ain't enough to make you hate and distrust the shitheads, then you ain't much of a home team fan.

And yeah, I know continuing to read the damned click bait contributes to the problem, but I like to think raining rotten comments on them in here and other venues makes up for my complicity.

[Jaire]

Cripes, how many Bears fans did we draft? Van Ness, Reed, and Clifford all Bears fans.

lol

That reminds me that the Bears draft sucked.

..... but it's the best favor we can do for these Bears fans is bring them deliverance to a real team. lol

[bobblehead]

This thread seems to be more popular than the "didn't like" thread so I'll consolidate.

Things I didn't like. I'm not nearly as excited about the later rounds as I was last year. I loved the Tom and Enagbare picks from the jump. I also think Walker and Ford in the 7th were great value. This years later picks didn't excite me at all, but I could see several being contributors without any of them being genuine starters.

That being said we had the advantage of picking early in the first 3 rounds and it paid off. LVN is the real deal. If he improves off his awesome bull rush the sky is the limit. Kraft was an absolute steal in the 3rd. Probably the best value of any pick we made. Musgrave is probably a late first in a lot of drafts. We capitalized big time on the TE depth in this draft. Reed I'm not high on. I just don't see his skill set translating. Slot return guys who are somewhat smallish probably have as high of a 1st/2nd round bust rate as any position in the game. I get why they traded back 2x though because no one in that area was exciting. I feel like Gutes is trying to force someone into that gadget role even if the right guy isn't available.

Overall I'm not disappointed with the picks. Its just that only the top 3 of 4 really make me think they will be long term starters.

[MadtownPacker]

They are in the same bucket as politicians and lawyers for me. Not all are a bad, but most have an agenda—that most like to hide.Man don’t force me to hold you to the same standards as Tex. Same for anyone else veering off topic above.

[run pMc]

The LVN pick is... fine. He fits almost exactly what GB likes at Edge, he's athletic with plenty of upside and he's young at 21.

I really like the receiver picks: Musgrave, Reed, Kraft, Wicks, Dubose. I feel pretty confident they will get at least 2 good players out of that group. Will take some patience though, rookies rarely make an immediate impact.
The rest of the picks don't do a lot for me.

[Fritz]

I don't know much about specific picks, but I kinda like the strategy of picking multiple guys at a position of need. You draft three wide receivers, you gotta think one will work out, anyway. You draft two tight ends pretty high, you figure one will work out.

Now let's watch Guter do that next year at safety.

[SudsMcBucky]

This thread seems to be more popular than the "didn't like" thread so I'll consolidate.

Things I didn't like. I'm not nearly as excited about the later rounds as I was last year. I loved the Tom and Enagbare picks from the jump. I also think Walker and Ford in the 7th were great value. This years later picks didn't excite me at all, but I could see several being contributors without any of them being genuine starters.

That being said we had the advantage of picking early in the first 3 rounds and it paid off. LVN is the real deal. If he improves off his awesome bull rush the sky is the limit. Kraft was an absolute steal in the 3rd. Probably the best value of any pick we made. Musgrave is probably a late first in a lot of drafts. We capitalized big time on the TE depth in this draft. Reed I'm not high on. I just don't see his skill set translating. Slot return guys who are somewhat smallish probably have as high of a 1st/2nd round bust rate as any position in the game. I get why they traded back 2x though because no one in that area was exciting. I feel like Gutes is trying to force someone into that gadget role even if the right guy isn't available.

Overall I'm not disappointed with the picks. Its just that only the top 3 of 4 really make me think they will be long term starters.

I don't know. I thought the Carrington pick was an absolute steal in the 7th this year.

[Fritz]

Why did you like that pick? I just read about the kid, and it seems he is better at playing man - and of course Joe Barely plays mostly zone.

A coaching mentor from years ago told me that a good coach adapts his system to his players' strengths. But that was high school basketball, way back when, when high school teams (except for schools like Dunbar and DeMatha in Maryland, where I coached) couldn't recruit players, so you had what you had.

But when you are an NFL team and have a coach and system in place, you can draft guys that will flourish in that system. So I'm not sure how Carrington Valentine fits into that.

[run pMc]

He's for Barry's replacement.

In the meantime, Bisaccia will use him as a flier on punt coverage.

[SudsMcBucky]

I don't know. I thought the Carrington pick was an absolute steal in the 7th this year.

According to Wayne Larrivee, Carrington has stood out to him so far during camp.

[bobblehead]

Yep, its early, but everything I read on him is positive. Hopefully you nailed that one.

[call_me_ishmael]

Is it just me or is this draft class looking supremely good from this very early angle?

[Joemailman]

Is it just me or is this draft class looking supremely good from this very early angle?

I think every pick in the 1st 5 rounds looks the part. Carlson has a big leg, but is a big question mark at this point. Valentine looks like a potential 7th round steal. The other 7th rounders haven't had enough chances yet to really evaluate them.

[Fritz]

I think every pick in the 1st 5 rounds looks the part. Carlson has a big leg, but is a big question mark at this point. Valentine looks like a potential 7th round steal. The other 7th rounders haven't had enough chances yet to really evaluate them.

Yeah, missing two PAT's - not good. Not good.

[Joemailman]

Yeah, missing two PAT's - not good. Not good.

Not good. But missing an extra point is not as bad as missing a makeable field goal. 1 point vs. 3 points. Hell need to improve, but they're not going to panic over this. The important thing is to not let this snowball which leads to a lack of confidence. He needs to bounce back.

[Fritz]

Not good. But missing an extra point is not as bad as missing a makeable field goal. 1 point vs. 3 points. Hell need to improve, but they're not going to panic over this. The important thing is to not let this snowball which leads to a lack of confidence. He needs to bounce back.

This is absolutely it. Okay, he missed extra points - not good. But if he lets that get into his head, he's finished. I think that's what happened to Brett Conway. He seemed to feel the pressure of beng a fairly high draft pick, then I think he twinged his hammy or something, then he started missing, and then he just completely fell apart. We'll see if this kid, Carlson, is tough enough to bounce back.

[Bretsky]

Is it just me or is this draft class looking supremely good from this very early angle?


Have we found our QB after the Love Machine craps on himself ? J/K...................J/K

[texaspackerbacker]

Not good. But missing an extra point is not as bad as missing a makeable field goal. 1 point vs. 3 points. Hell need to improve, but they're not going to panic over this. The important thing is to not let this snowball which leads to a lack of confidence. He needs to bounce back.

I'm not ready to give up on Carlson yet. He got good distance on his kickoffs. He kicked that 45 yarder without it being a low driving kick like often gets blocked. I don't know what to make of the missed PATs. He missed them both the same way, almost like he was experimenting or something. Hopefully he snaps out of it. I said long ago, bring Crosby back as an assistant special teams coach. That way he's close if you need him and can keep ready working with the team.

[bobblehead]

Is it just me or is this draft class looking supremely good from this very early angle?

I still like last years class better. Tom, Doubs and Enagbare were absolute steals where we got them. Valentine could be the wild card that tips this years class over the top though.

[bobblehead]

I'm not ready to give up on Carlson yet. He got good distance on his kickoffs. He kicked that 45 yarder without it being a low driving kick like often gets blocked. I don't know what to make of the missed PATs. He missed them both the same way, almost like he was experimenting or something. Hopefully he snaps out of it. I said long ago, bring Crosby back as an assistant special teams coach. That way he's close if you need him and can keep ready working with the team.

I think (can't be positive) the league has rules about teams signing a coach to the roster. Basically they don't want teams to navigate around the roster limits/salary caps.

[MadScientist]

I think (can't be positive) the league has rules about teams signing a coach to the roster. Basically they don't want teams to navigate around the roster limits/salary caps.

They don't allow it. Teams asked for permission a couple of times and were denied by the NFL as it would violate roster limits.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-declined-broncos-request-to-let-assistant-coaches-suit-up-and-play-qb

[smuggler]

Didn't LaFleur tear his achilles tendon while performing as a QB in some kind of practice setting? Or was he just running around on the sideline?

[Joemailman]

Didn't LaFleur tear his achilles tendon while performing as a QB in some kind of practice setting? Or was he just running around on the sideline?

He did some of that in practice. But he tore his achilles playing basketball at Lambeau.

[Joemailman]

Reports were great day for Love today. Carlson missed "game winning" 40 yard field goal after successful 2 minute drive.
Another tough day for Newman.


Kyle Malzhan
@KyleMalzhan
Wow. Royce Newman just got walked all over on and dominated at the line. So much so that Luke Butkus came over and chewed him out.

[smuggler]

Royce and Myers have been sliding down the ladder so much the last 18 months, I kinda have to wonder... what the hell?

[texaspackerbacker]

Newman clearly yes, but Myers? I really don't think he's been sliding - other than the brief bad snap thing which appears to be over and done with now.

[Fritz]

Don't quite agree with you on Myers, though I think you may have a point in that once we get a report on a guy ("Myers has sucked") we tend to go with that as the overall assessment, as opposed to understanding that his play might change. But it would help a lot if he'd have some good practices and get mentioned in the media for doing so. People might relax a bit if they hear he's doing better.

[Joemailman]

Don't quite agree with you on Myers, though I think you may have a point in that once we get a report on a guy ("Myers has sucked") we tend to go with that as the overall assessment, as opposed to understanding that his play might change. But it would help a lot if he'd have some good practices and get mentioned in the media for doing so. People might relax a bit if they hear he's doing better.

Stenavich yesterday gave Myers a pretty good but not great review. "He's put together some solid practices. Still some things to work through, but he's done a good job".

[bobblehead]

Royce and Myers have been sliding down the ladder so much the last 18 months, I kinda have to wonder... what the hell?

I agree. In the fake gameday thread I lament the super strength and depth of the OL disappearing overnight.

[Fritz]

Another bum snap from Myers. Sorry, Tex. He’s messed up, PTSD from Rodgers or something. Also it looks like Van Ness is very much a long term work in progress.

[Joemailman]

Right now LVN's best move is his bull rush. Not a bad thing to have, but he needs to add other moves. He may be most effective right now as an inside rusher, ala Z. Not sure he's been doing much of that in preseason games.

He did have a nice bull rush on the play where Enagbare got his strip sack. LVN might have had the sack if Enagbare hadn't gotten there first. https://twitter.com/i/status/1693065675437178974

[run pMc]

Myers snapped early because he thought someone on the DL jumped. Myers thought wrong. It's correctable.
Most of the recent snap issues were apparently with the #2 and #3 OL's, and not in shotgun. All the same, Myers needs to step it up.

[Fritz]

But he’s not a rook here. Dude guessed wrong on that early snap. By now, these bad snaps - to anyone - have to be concerning.

[Joemailman]

But he’s not a rook here. Dude guessed wrong on that early snap. By now, these bad snaps - to anyone - have to be concerning.

If hhe's going to snap the ball early, he has to be sure that guy jumped offsides. He can't just guess. The only way he's not at fault here is if the guy was clearly offsides and Myers was victimized by a really bad non-call by the officials.

[bobblehead]

Its becoming an Amari Rodgers type thing. How long do they tolerate it and wait for the course correction before it starts to cost them real games? I like Myers more than most, but he is not acquitting himself very well this preseason. Guys need to be accountable. If he can't be more effective he needs to be replaced.

[Joemailman]

If he's going to snap the ball early, he has to be sure that guy jumped offsides. He can't just guess. The only way he's not at fault here is if the guy was clearly offsides and Myers was victimized by a really bad non-call by the officials.

Edit: I watched the replay on DVR. The defender barely flinched. He was not offside.

Myers may need to adjust to the fact that Love is not as obsessed with catching teams offsides as Rodgers was. Just stick with the play unless the offsides is really obvious.

[texaspackerbacker]

Myers continues to be an excellent run blocker and an average or above average pass blocker. The bad snap was a mistake, a mistake in preseason - get over it. Everybody's pet OLine guy, Tom, made a couple of mistakes in that game too. What do ya'all want? Damned Jake Hanson at Center? sheeesh

[Joemailman]

Myers continues to be an excellent run blocker and an average or above average pass blocker. The bad snap was a mistake - get over it. Everybody's pet OLine guy, Tom, made a couple of mistakes in that game too. What do ya'all want? Damned Jake Hanson at Center? sheeesh

Nobody wants Jake Hanson there. But Tom is a real option. They will stick with Myers for now. But if Rasheed Walker continues to improve, putting Walker or Yosh at RT and Tom at C could happen.

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't think Tom has shown the inside run blocking strength that Meyers has, not even close. I like Walker. If he improves enough, move Tom back to the "6th man" - back up all along the O Line.

[NewsBruin]

Edit: I watched the replay on DVR. The defender barely flinched. He was not offside.

Myers may need to adjust to the fact that Love is not as obsessed with catching teams offsides as Rodgers was. Just stick with the play unless the offsides is really obvious.

I only catch the Packer games that come on over-the-air in Alabama, but I (selectively?) remember a lot of offsides or substitution penalties that could have happened in 2022 if we had snapped the ball but we let our opponents get reset.

[bobblehead]

Myers continues to be an excellent run blocker and an average or above average pass blocker. The bad snap was a mistake, a mistake in preseason - get over it. Everybody's pet OLine guy, Tom, made a couple of mistakes in that game too. What do ya'all want? Damned Jake Hanson at Center? sheeesh

Myers is a bad run blocker if there is a player lined up over him. He is average at stopping a strong bull rush at best. He is elite at second level run blocking. The problem is that teams watch film and its not long before every team lines someone up on his nose.

Edit: And this is what I meant when I said some guys excuse mistakes as a one off. Myers has had 2 bad snaps in games and another 4? in camp. Its now a pattern.

[bobblehead]

I don't think Tom has shown the inside run blocking strength that Meyers has, not even close. I like Walker. If he improves enough, move Tom back to the "6th man" - back up all along the O Line.

Tom has shown it (and more), but if you haven't seen it, I reiterate my point.

[Joemailman]

Myers is a bad run blocker if there is a player lined up over him. He is average at stopping a strong bull rush at best. He is elite at second level run blocking. The problem is that teams watch film and its not long before every team lines someone up on his nose.

Edit: And this is what I meant when I said some guys excuse mistakes as a one off. Myers has had 2 bad snaps in games and another 4? in camp. Its now a pattern.

Some think Myers would be better off at Guard. It won't happen this year, but with Runyan being a free agent in 2024, a possibility for the future.

[Fritz]

The wide receiver battle is getting more and more interestinger. Wicks seemed to have done enough to warrant a spot, along with his being a fifth round pick or whatever he was. - but now he's hurt. Dubose is showing up a bit after being hurt. Toure seems pretty good though you don't hear a lot. Bo Melton is hurt now. And Malik Heath is drawing comparisons to The Lizard - and has not been hurt, knock on wood. Do they keep a sixth guy when they seem determined to play a lot of two-tight-end stuff? If so, who? If not, could Heath displace Toure?

[run pMc]

The wide receiver battle is getting more and more interestinger. Wicks seemed to have done enough to warrant a spot, along with his being a fifth round pick or whatever he was. - but now he's hurt. Dubose is showing up a bit after being hurt. Toure seems pretty good though you don't hear a lot. Bo Melton is hurt now. And Malik Heath is drawing comparisons to The Lizard - and has not been hurt, knock on wood. Do they keep a sixth guy when they seem determined to play a lot of two-tight-end stuff? If so, who? If not, could Heath displace Toure?

Agree WR competition is interesting. I think Toure and Wicks are safe bets to make the roster. If they keep 6 it comes down to Debose and Heath. Thing is, Bisaccia plays safeties over WRs on ST, and Heath hasn't played a snap with Love. Now, I think he's done almost everything possible to earn a spot on the 53, but he might lose out to the numbers. Or not - Wicks has been in and out of practice with injuries, it's possible things work themselves out that way.

Dubose is another one to watch. He was on NFI with a back injury for so long, I wonder if they stash him on the PS. Gute hasn't cut many draft picks and seems willing to give rookies a lot of leash so who knows.

[Fritz]

I supposse one of the major factors in the decision-making is trying to calculate whether or not you can sneak a guy through to get him on the PS. Oddly, teams might be more inclined to grab Heath than Dubose if both are exposed to waivers, even though Dubose was a draft pick and Heath was an undrafted free agent. The other option is to use fake-ish injuries to stash a guy on IR for the season. Wouldn't surprise me if one of those guys surprisingly suffered a season-ending injury in the next five days.

Brenton Cox is another guy you have to consider the calculus for. With the need for edge rushers, would someone grab him since he's shown in GB, so far at least, that he can be a good citizen? And then there is also Jonathan Ford - they invested a roster spot all last season in a guy who never played at all, so do you now cut him loose and hope no one picks him up, or do you keep him and piss off Bisaccia by cutting a ST guy who may be on the fringe, say a safety he likes or a corner or linebacker?

Decision, decisions.

[run pMc]

I think every team has an unheralded player or two who shines in camp and people worry about whether he'll get scooped up on waivers or off the practice squad. IIRC something like 10 players got claimed on roster cutdowns last year across the league, so your odds are pretty slim of 'losing' a player. I used to worry and wonder about that stuff. If someone claims Emanuel Wilson, odds are Patrick Taylor won't get claimed and they will still have a RB3 (and probably RB4 with Tyler Goodson). Those guys don't play much and usually don't have much developmental upside anyway. If they are getting time with the 1's in camp or playing a lot of ST they are likely on the roster. After that, it's guys who are depth.

I think it's a coin flip between Dubose and Heath. Heath has had a better offseason (on the basis of Dubose's injury) but Dubose is a draft pick and Gute likes those.
Brenton Cox has been quiet of late, at least by camp reports and the NE game. I wonder if he's actually fighting with Johnathon Ford (DL) for one spot. Both have shown good things, but if LVN can play on the DL then maybe you need another EDGE more than you need another DL?

Safety could be wild. Anyone outside of Savage could be the starter or could be on the street. If Gute scoops anyone up after roster cuts, that might be the place. I know Leavitt is Bisaccia's guy and I hear he's a great leader on teams but if Tariq Carpenter can do what he does, do you keep both? Do they need 5 safeties?

[texaspackerbacker]

Has Dubose done anything to make him a "coin flip" with Heath - who has looked great?

I really HOPE they keep both Patrick Taylor AND Emanuel Wilson. Both seemed to pass up Goodson, and I really hope they do NOT keep a fullback other than DeGuara who basically is a backup TE. There really ought to be room for 4 RBs, 6 WRs, 3 TEs if you count DeGuara as a TE. The gameday rules make it unnecessary to keep a 3rd QB. How many OLinemen? 9? That's 2 + 4 + 6 + 3+ 9 = 24 on offense + 3 Special Teamers = 27.

That leaves 26 for Defense. 6 DLine, 4 ILB, 4 OLB and that leaves an incredible 12 spots for DBs - or maybe an extra LB or two. I really don't see where we need to make very many tough choices.

[Joemailman]

Has Dubose done anything to make him a "coin flip" with Heath - who has looked great?



Dubose has really come on lately after having a back injury. I think they want to keep both. Some people think they might keep 7 WR's, which they can do if the keep just 3 TE's.

[Fritz]

Has Dubose done anything to make him a "coin flip" with Heath - who has looked great?

I really HOPE they keep both Patrick Taylor AND Emanuel Wilson. Both seemed to pass up Goodson, and I really hope they do NOT keep a fullback other than DeGuara who basically is a backup TE. There really ought to be room for 4 RBs, 6 WRs, 3 TEs if you count DeGuara as a TE. The gameday rules make it unnecessary to keep a 3rd QB. How many OLinemen? 9? That's 2 + 4 + 6 + 3+ 9 = 24 on offense + 3 Special Teamers = 27.

That leaves 26 for Defense. 6 DLine, 4 ILB, 4 OLB and that leaves an incredible 12 spots for DBs - or maybe an extra LB or two. I really don't see where we need to make very many tough choices.

Funny, sometimes they keep a guy who's just a special teamer and backs up at a position of need, but is not anyone special (I'm thinking of Pearson, the fullback, here), and cuts a guy who seems to have more potential (like Cox or Heath). It happens.

[run pMc]

I don't know what the rationale is for keeping 4RBs on the roster. They rostered 2 last year. Pearson might stick around if Deguara isn't healthy. I've heard that GB has been using a FB or lead blocker quite a bit, even running out of the I formation. I think they'd be more likely to roster Pearson and Deguara than Wilson and Taylor, but that would only be if Deguara's calf injury makes him unavailable.

Losing Tyler Davis hurt them.

RBs are so undervalued right now, and the way the PS is nowadays you can stash 2 or 3 of them and call them up 3 times each before you have to sign or waive them. Over 17 weeks that's a lot of call-ups and can give you a lot of flexibility based on how you want to attack your next opponent's defense. I think they'll keep 9 OL, maybe 10 depending on who they like and how much. L.Tenuta and C.Jones being hurt and Hanson getting waived injured probably clears a few things up. Bakhtiari, Jenkins, Myers, JRJ, Tom, Njiman, Walker, Rhyan, probably Newman makes 9, and you IR Tenuta and try to sneak Jones on the PS?

[Joemailman]

No way they go with 4 RB's. They can safely get Wilson to PS. I think Deguara had a good day of practice yesterday, but Pearson has a knee injury. He probably goes to PS. Today in practice starting OL was Bakhtiari/Jenkins/Tom/Runyan/Walker. Something to watch for on Saturday. I think Newman and Jones are in a fight for #9 OL spot. Tenuta may be going to IR. Heath, Toure and Dubose may be in a fight for #6 WR spot. Heath did get some reps with the 1's today. Looking like Rudy Ford favorite to start along with Savage.

[Fritz]

No way they go with 4 RB's. They can safely get Wilson to PS. I think Deguara had a good day of practice yesterday, but Pearson has a knee injury. He probably goes to PS. Today in practice starting OL was Bakhtiari/Jenkins/Tom/Runyan/Walker. Something to watch for on Saturday. I think Newman and Jones are in a fight for #9 OL spot. Tenuta may be going to IR. Heath, Toure and Dubose may be in a fight for #6 WR spot. Heath did get some reps with the 1's today. Looking like Rudy Ford favorite to start along with Savage.

We will know the offensive line depth has improved when they cut Royce Newman. That guy just makes too many mistakes. Probably a great guy and all, but he just is not consistent enough.

[MadScientist]

I think they will keep Jones, mostly for next year, but also to use as an ineligible TE on short yardage plays. DuBose looks interesting, and surprisingly decent for missing so much time. However, I think they can get him on the practice squad. He hasn't forced his way on the 53.

[texaspackerbacker]

No way they go with 4 RB's. They can safely get Wilson to PS. I think Deguara had a good day of practice yesterday, but Pearson has a knee injury. He probably goes to PS. Today in practice starting OL was Bakhtiari/Jenkins/Tom/Runyan/Walker. Something to watch for on Saturday. I think Newman and Jones are in a fight for #9 OL spot. Tenuta may be going to IR. Heath, Toure and Dubose may be in a fight for #6 WR spot. Heath did get some reps with the 1's today. Looking like Rudy Ford favorite to start along with Savage.

Why do you think they won't keep 4 RBs. As I showed in my earlier post, we can easily keep 4 RBs, 6 WRs, 3 TEs, and still have a helluva lot of spots left for D - like 27 D players.

I would think Toure and Heath are a lock for #4 and 5 WR with Wicks probably ahead of Dubose for #6.

[Joemailman]

Why do you think they won't keep 4 RBs. As I showed in my earlier post, we can easily keep 4 RBs, 6 WRs, 3 TEs, and still have a helluva lot of spots left for D - like 27 D players.

I would think Toure and Heath are a lock for #4 and 5 WR with Wicks probably ahead of Dubose for #6.

They won't keep 4 RB's because they have no no need for 4 and they never do. Last year they only kept 2. They'll likely keep 3 with Wilson and Goodson on PS.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

. The gameday rules make it unnecessary to keep a 3rd QB.


Actually, after Mr. Irrelevant spent the entire second half of the NFC Title game handing the rock off with a broken elbow, the NFL has brought back the emergency third QB. Thus, the 3rd QB ain’t so unnecessary anymore.

As for the 53, it is looking probable that the Packers will be fielding an all-white TE corps for the first time since 1962.

[run pMc]

They won't keep 4 RB's because they have no no need for 4 and they never do. Last year they only kept 2. They'll likely keep 3 with Wilson and Goodson on PS.

Agree. They won't keep 4. Your RB3 is mostly a ST guy and Wilson hasn't taken many ST snaps in camp. Not sure how he would make it as RB4. There's not many times you'll sit both Jones and Dillon, there aren't snaps for a RB4, especially with depth needs elsewhere and Bisaccia's penchant for using safeties on ST. If (for example) Dillon gets hurt they can elevate someone off the PS.

I think the WRs are Watson, Doubs, Reed, Toure, Wicks and one of Heath/Dubose. I'd be surprised if they only kept 5 WRs but I don't know that they'll keep 7. It's kind of a fringe/end of roster thing, and again Bisaccia uses more defensive players on ST. They aren't cutting Wicks. He's a R5 pick who -- when healthy -- has flashed big play abililty at times. He also got tossed into the lineup with the 1's for a few snaps as soon as he came back from the concussion. They clearly like him. I think it's a coin flip between Heath and Dubose, but I'd probably take Heath and try to get Dubose on the PS. I think there's more tape and buzz around Heath and if cut would get more interest from other teams.

[Fritz]

Agree. They won't keep 4. Your RB3 is mostly a ST guy and Wilson hasn't taken many ST snaps in camp. Not sure how he would make it as RB4. There's not many times you'll sit both Jones and Dillon, there aren't snaps for a RB4, especially with depth needs elsewhere and Bisaccia's penchant for using safeties on ST. If (for example) Dillon gets hurt they can elevate someone off the PS.

I think the WRs are Watson, Doubs, Reed, Toure, Wicks and one of Heath/Dubose. I'd be surprised if they only kept 5 WRs but I don't know that they'll keep 7. It's kind of a fringe/end of roster thing, and again Bisaccia uses more defensive players on ST. They aren't cutting Wicks. He's a R5 pick who -- when healthy -- has flashed big play abililty at times. He also got tossed into the lineup with the 1's for a few snaps as soon as he came back from the concussion. They clearly like him. I think it's a coin flip between Heath and Dubose, but I'd probably take Heath and try to get Dubose on the PS. I think there's more tape and buzz around Heath and if cut would get more interest from other teams.

This seems like an accurate analysis of both positions. Given Bisaccia's penchant for using safeties on ST, Wilson might get the axe in hopes he can land on the PS, while Patrick Taylor gets the #3 job (his special teams value) and Savage and Ford, with Leavitt and some combination of Owens, Moore or maybe Johnson (though he may be a candidate for that "Surprise! He's suffered a season-ending injury!" designation that happens to a guy or two every year).

Seems to me that they could keep six DL (including Ford), six edge guys, four inside linebackers, five corners, and five safeties. That's twenty-six dudes. A punter and kicker - two more. Then Two QB's, three RB's, nine offensive linemen, three TE's, and six WR's. that's fifty-one guys. That gives you two positions you can add to. An extra offensive lineman? One more WR? Who knows?

[texaspackerbacker]

A lot of people think the Packers will go "run first". Even more people, it seems, WANT more running/less passing. As good as Aaron Jones is, he's not huge, not super sturdy. Even Dillon - who ain't the kind of RB I prefer - seems to get a few nagging injuries. IMO, we should have a rotation - bring in fresh Patrick Taylor and Emanuel Wilson, both of whom have shown they can run with NFL quality. Keep Jones healthy, Dillon too (although him I don't care so much about).

As I've explained at least twice now, it's EASY to keep 4 RBs and 6 WRs and 3 TEs and 9 O Linemen, and still have plenty - like 27 spots - for the D side, way more than probably would be needed. Hopefully, IMO probably, LaFleur, Gutekunst, etc. will see it this way. I wouldn't even rule out 5 RBs on the 53.

[SudsMcBucky]

This seems like an accurate analysis of both positions. Given Bisaccia's penchant for using safeties on ST, Wilson might get the axe in hopes he can land on the PS, while Patrick Taylor gets the #3 job (his special teams value) and Savage and Ford, with Leavitt and some combination of Owens, Moore or maybe Johnson (though he may be a candidate for that "Surprise! He's suffered a season-ending injury!" designation that happens to a guy or two every year).

Seems to me that they could keep six DL (including Ford), six edge guys, four inside linebackers, five corners, and five safeties. That's twenty-six dudes. A punter and kicker - two more. Then Two QB's, three RB's, nine offensive linemen, three TE's, and six WR's. that's fifty-one guys. That gives you two positions you can add to. An extra offensive lineman? One more WR? Who knows?

Don't forget about a long snapper.

[smuggler]

They won't keep 4 RB's because they have no no need for 4 and they never do. Last year they only kept 2. They'll likely keep 3 with Wilson and Goodson on PS.

While what you're saying makes sense, remember that the league trend is to really prefer backs on rookie/budget deals. If Wilson displays he's a halfway decent pass protector, and has a good game today against the Seahawks, he could easily get picked up.

[Fritz]

Don't forget about a long snapper.

Ah, good catch.

[texaspackerbacker]

3 K,P,LS, 2 QBs, 4 RBs, 6 WRs, 3 TEs including DeGuara, 9 O Line, that adds up to 27.

That leaves 26 for D. The breakdown somebody posted above seems about right - 6 D Line, 6 Edge (that's a LOT of edge rushers), 4 ILB, 5 Corners, 5 Safetys. Maybe one less edge, one more DB.

The point is, there are very few or no tough choices to make. We can and should EASILY be able to keep 4 RBs and 6 WRs.

[run pMc]

I heard Heath has gotten time with the 1's now. I think he makes the roster. He's played too well all offseason

[Joemailman]

I heard Heath has gotten time with the 1's now. I think he makes the roster. He's played too well all offseason

He started in place of Doubs today which probably means he's made the team.

[Fritz]

I would think so. Wicks to IR? Dubose to PS?

[texaspackerbacker]

What happened to Wicks? I haven't seen anything about an injury.

[Joemailman]

What happened to Wicks? I haven't seen anything about an injury.

I think he has a hamstring injury.

[run pMc]

I think he has a hamstring injury.

Yep. First he missed time with a concussion, now both he and Doubs have hamstring injuries.

[Fritz]

Did Dubose flash anything last night? I could see the team shelving Wicks for the season if they think Heath and Dubose got the rookie WR/special teams thing covered.

[Joemailman]

Did Dubose flash anything last night? I could see the team shelving Wicks for the season if they think Heath and Dubose got the rookie WR/special teams thing covered.

I don't think they want to shelve Wicks for the entire season. I think they keep him and maybe put him on IR after the season starts so he can be brought back. With Wicks and Doubs having hamstring injuries, they might keep all 7 initially.

[run pMc]

I don't think they want to shelve Wicks for the entire season. I think they keep him and maybe put him on IR after the season starts so he can be brought back. With Wicks and Doubs having hamstring injuries, they might keep all 7 initially.

Yeah I don't think they want Wicks to miss the season and what that means for his development. He'll make the 53 but they could IR him after cutdowns and bring him back. If they IR him before cutdown to 53 he's done for the year. They could also waive him injured and settle with him, but there's no way you're doing that with a R5 pick who has shown some potential when he's been healthy enough to play.

I like Dubose, but I think he's more likely to be on the PS than the 53. Has shown some promise but was too far behind from missing so much time. Jadakis Bonds also developed a lot from OTAs to now; he might make the PS too. I expect them to stash 2 RBs and 2 WRs on the PS.