DEAR GUTEBAG----------------BRING JONATHON TAYLOR HOME

[Bretsky]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/mystery-team-that-tried-to-trade-for-jonathan-taylor-revealed/ar-AA1fZNrV




At least two teams were believed to have engaged in discussions with the Indianapolis Colts recently about a potential trade for Jonathan Taylor. One of them was the Miami Dolphins, and the second has now been identified as well.

The Green Bay Packers made an effort to trade for Taylor prior to the Colts’ self-imposed deadline of Tuesday afternoon, according to ESPN’s Stephen Holder. The Packers still have interest in the star running back, and Taylor would reportedly welcome a trade to Green Bay.

[ThunderDan]

A sign of a good GM is you kick the tires on every car that is available.

[run pMc]

A sign of a good GM is you kick the tires on every car that is available.

This.

Also, in recent years GB is often named as a team "having interest" in a player, which could be as simple as asking if they are available and what the parameters for a trade would look like. i.e., kicking the tires. Allegedly TT did this too but was much more quiet about it. Taylor would be a weird fit for the current roster, but 2024 is a different story.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm a UW grad and about as much a Badger fan as I am a Packer fan. I'm not really in favor of bringing in Taylor unless maybe he was really cheap - which he very likely wouldn't be. He's had a LOT of wear and tear as a RB. He's on the PUP list right now, which would seem to indicate something is wrong with him right now. I consider Aaron Jones at least as good as Taylor even when healthy. I wouldn't mind trading A.J. Dillon for him, though.

[Joemailman]

Hard to read the Taylor situation. He could be on the PUP list because he's struggling to recover from surgery. He could be on the list because he doesn't want to be on the field until he gets a new contract. I don't think either scenario makes me want to give up much to get him. That said, acquiring him isn't a totally crazy idea given that it's certainly possible that Aaron Jones and/or Dillon won't he here next year.

[smuggler]

He's definitely dragging his feet to hurt the Colts' ability to hold the asking price. He's good to go, with 99% certainty

[run pMc]

He had an ankle injury and surgery on it I believe. All UW backs have wear and tear on them, and they aren't alone.
AJ Dillon came out of BC with something like 845 career rushes, being in a RBBC situation is probably good for him.

Word is Indy wanted Jaylan Waddle (and possibly picks) for Taylor. That's not happening. Most days I think Jim Irsay is a danger to himself and others.

I'd trade Dillon for Taylor, sure. The salaries wouldn't match up, and Indy would want more, especially with Dillon being in the last year of his contract. I wonder if they'd take Yosh Njiman and Emanuel Wilson instead? ;)

[Fritz]

It just seems weird to me, to acquire a high wear-and-tear guy who's just had surgery and wants a big, big contract. I think it's a bad idea and don't understand it at all.

[run pMc]

It just seems weird to me, to acquire a high wear-and-tear guy who's just had surgery and wants a big, big contract. I think it's a bad idea and don't understand it at all.

It wouldn't make a ton of sense. Word is it was two guys in the personnel departments talking & never actually got up to the GM level.
Taylor is 24, so he's 5 years younger than Aaron Jones, but I'd rather roll into the season with Jones/Dillon and look at drafting a RB next year to replace Dillon (who I like but has been a bit underwhelming as a R2 pick) and eventually Jones. Gute is right when he says AJones is the heart and soul of the team. Taylor will want a new contract and GB is trying to get out of cap issues now and reload for 2024-25 seasons. A fat contract for Taylor on their books isn't the smartest move. I'd rather keep that money to get other FAs or save to extend our WRs when the time comes.

Also, trading for the right to sign/extend a player to an expensive contract is rarely a good idea, because you give up draft capital AND cap space.

Taylor will get moved closer to the trade deadline. He's on the PUP list and will miss the first 4 weeks of the season anyway.

[Fritz]

It wouldn't make a ton of sense. Word is it was two guys in the personnel departments talking & never actually got up to the GM level.
Taylor is 24, so he's 5 years younger than Aaron Jones, but I'd rather roll into the season with Jones/Dillon and look at drafting a RB next year to replace Dillon (who I like but has been a bit underwhelming as a R2 pick) and eventually Jones. Gute is right when he says AJones is the heart and soul of the team. Taylor will want a new contract and GB is trying to get out of cap issues now and reload for 2024-25 seasons. A fat contract for Taylor on their books isn't the smartest move. I'd rather keep that money to get other FAs or save to extend our WRs when the time comes.

Also, trading for the right to sign/extend a player to an expensive contract is rarely a good idea, because you give up draft capital AND cap space.

Taylor will get moved closer to the trade deadline. He's on the PUP list and will miss the first 4 weeks of the season anyway.

From what I could discern from what Guter said, it was a low-level inquiry, and he suggested maybe GB was being used to drive the price up. So no big deal, after all. Just something to keep us reading. I did like that he said Dillon was going to be part of the plan this year no matter what - that is, they weren't going to part with Dillon. Not that it likely ever got that far.

[King Friday]

It is very likely that the Packers have no real interest in making a deal but wanted to get involved to understand the market and have an idea just in case something unfortunate were to happen in the next few weeks. It certainly confirms that the team is not viewing Dillon as a long term solution at RB.

[Bretsky]

All these anti homer Badger Fans:bang:

Why Not JT ? He was one of the top players in the NFL two years ago and he's only 24

Trade AJ Dillon (last year of contract and might not be back anyways) and a 3rd or 4th for jT and with our two 1st round picks next year we ascend :)

Then give JT what every star RB wants (a huge signing bonus) in guaranteed money for the likes of 20-25 MIL and give him a 5 year deal that is team friendly in year five (so they most likely redo it or set him free. Cook the dam cap !

Ride JT and Aaron Jones (who will have a take a huge pay cut to stay anyways next year) and the Love Machine would thank us forever.......

OH............and EMBRACE THE TANK

Bretsky wants the best WR I've seen in college football in many many ears in the Marvelous Marvin Harrison JR in Green Bay next year :))))

We're not going anywhere this year anyways. Nobody wants to say it, but it's a rebuild !!!!!!!!

[run pMc]

Melvin Gordon got cut by the Ravens and signed back on their PS. If you're a Badger homer, you could sign him to your 53 for almost nothing.
Corey Clement got cut and is available too.

[Bretsky]

Are they 24 ?

[Joemailman]

Packers won Super Bowls with Edgar Bennett and Brandon Jackson as their leading running backs. Trading a 1st round pick for a RB coming off surgery who wants a big contract is not the best way to build a team.

[Bretsky]

Packers won Super Bowls with Edgar Bennett and Brandon Jackson as their leading running backs. Trading a 1st round pick for a RB coming off surgery who wants a big contract is not the best way to build a team.


You are right....back when we had a HOF quarterback

[ThunderDan]

You are right....back when we had a HOF quarterback

Who was a 5th year starter with 108 TDs and 64 INTs before the season.

Give Love some time.

[Bretsky]

I am not saying love will be bad. I continue to feel he will be decent. The great cliff crystl used to look over the roster annually and grade out how many blue chip players we had….ect ect….this might add one

[Fritz]

Packers won Super Bowls with Edgar Bennett and Brandon Jackson as their leading running backs. Trading a 1st round pick for a RB coming off surgery who wants a big contract is not the best way to build a team.

Mike Ditka would beg to differ. He, who once traded away his entire draft to select Ricky Williams #5 overall.

And how'd that work out for ol' Mikey?

Bretsky, it would be a bad move. It just makes no sense.

[bobblehead]

Indy wants WAY too much for the rights to pay Taylor a kings ransom. Taylor wants said kings ransom. Tex is actually the voice of reason for a change.

I love Taylor and his Wisconsin roots, but I abhor paying RBs top dollar.

edit: and as to the Owl talk.....I can't recall the last team that rode the legs of a workhorse RB to a title.

[run pMc]

Next year's draft has some good RBs in it, probably including WI's Brealon Allen. Why not save the cap space and draft a younger player with less wear and injury history?
I like Taylor and hope he gets paid, but hope it's elsewhere. It would be a weird investment for GB to make.

[Joemailman]

There are reports Colts wanted Jaylen Waddle from Miami or Christian Watson from Packers.

[texaspackerbacker]

Watson? Don't even think about it!!!!

[Joemailman]

Leading rushers for last 10 Super Bowl Champs:

2022 Chiefs Isiah Pacheco 830 yards
2021 Rams Sony Michel 845 yards
2020 Bucs Ronald Jones 978 yards
2019 Chiefs Damien Williams 498 yards
2018 Patriots Sony Michel 931 yards
2017 Eagles LeGarrette Blount 766 yards
2016 Patriots LeGarrette Blount 1161 yards
2015 Broncos Ronnie Hillman 863 yards
2014 Patriots Jonas Gray 412 yards
2013 Seahawks Marshawn Lynch 1257 yards

[RashanGary]

You are right....back when we had a HOF quarterback

Never know!!

[smuggler]

Watson? Don't even think about it!!!!

Even if that trade made sense (positional value and contract control aspects suggest that it does not), we are too thin at receiver to tolerate that kind of move. Taylor is a "nice to have" type of player for this offense. Watson is much more important. And yes, I knocked on wood.

[Guiness]

Packers won Super Bowls with Edgar Bennett and Brandon Jackson as their leading running backs. Trading a 1st round pick for a RB coming off surgery who wants a big contract is not the best way to build a team.

Grant - > Jackson -> Starks if I recall correctly!

[sharpe1027]

Watson? Don't even think about it!!!!

Exactly.

[ThunderDan]

The real problem is that Taylor is going to want a huge deal even if he plays out his 2023 year on his rookie contract. 2023 is like $4,300,000 which isn't bad if the Packers picked him up.

But Taylor will want a huge deal going forward and with Jones' contract they can't have that much money tied up in the RB position.

[sharpe1027]

You don't give up much for one year. He wants a salary so large he priced himself out of his current team. You don't give up much for that situation either

[bobblehead]

Leading rushers for last 10 Super Bowl Champs:

2022 Chiefs Isiah Pacheco 830 yards
2021 Rams Sony Michel 845 yards
2020 Bucs Ronald Jones 978 yards
2019 Chiefs Damien Williams 498 yards
2018 Patriots Sony Michel 931 yards
2017 Eagles LeGarrette Blount 766 yards
2016 Patriots LeGarrette Blount 1161 yards
2015 Broncos Ronnie Hillman 863 yards
2014 Patriots Jonas Gray 412 yards
2013 Seahawks Marshawn Lynch 1257 yards

The only logical conclusion is that LaGarrette Blount is a freaking stud!!

[bobblehead]

Honestly though, the 2013 Hawks did ride a workhorse and top D to an Owl. That seems to be the last time.

[Joemailman]

Honestly though, the 2013 Hawks did ride a workhorse and top D to an Owl. That seems to be the last time.

They did. But the Seahawks gave up a 4th and 5th round pick to get Lynch, which is a far cry from what the Colts reportedly want for Taylor.

[red]

i would have demanded gutefuck be fired asap if he had done something this stupid

in todays NFL you DO NOT overpay for runningbacks, you don't need them to win

besides we already have a very good one who we don't give the ball to enough to begin with who IMO is already overpaid

and then we have a backup running back who is also already pretty good

this makes no sense to me at all, and reminds me of when ditka bet it all on ricky williams and it cost him his career

and where do we even have cap room to do this?

just dumb

[RashanGary]

i would have demanded gutefuck be fired asap if he had done something this stupid

in todays NFL you DO NOT overpay for runningbacks, you don't need them to win

besides we already have a very good one who we don't give the ball to enough to begin with who IMO is already overpaid

and then we have a backup running back who is also already pretty good

this makes no sense to me at all, and reminds me of when ditka bet it all on ricky williams and it cost him his career

and where do we even have cap room to do this?

just dumb

Cap room is zero concern. After this year everything takes care of itself.

[run pMc]

Cap room is zero concern. After this year everything takes care of itself.

They don't have a lot of dead cap already sitting there for next year, that's true. Spotrac has them with about $20M of cap space in 2024, which isn't a lot but their situation is much better. Bakhtiari has a 40M cap hit, Aaron Jones is 17.7M and Preston Smith is 16.5M so you could get cap relief by cutting them outright or doing something else with those contracts. (To be clear, I'm not in favor of that.) Gary will be extended and if Jordan Love has a good year they might want to start working on a long-term contract for him as well. I don't think they will be big players in FA next year unless they do something with some of those big legacy contracts (Bakhtiari, Clark, Jaire, Jones, Smith, Devondre, Rasul) to get room. That's several months out and a lot can happen before next year's deadline so who knows...but at least they aren't staring at being OVER the cap.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/cap/2024/

I still don't think they would pull the trigger on a trade for Taylor. Saquon Barkley and Josh Jacobs will be UFAs if you want to overpay for a productive RB. AJ Dillon will be a UFA as well.
I could see them looking for a back along the lines of a Miles Sanders, who signed a 4 year, $25,400,000 contract with the Carolina Panthers. That's easier to manage on the books than $15M/year for a RB IMO. I like Taylor but he's not signing for Miles Sanders money, and GB should allocate their money elsewhere.

If a RB can get paid, I'm happy for them. They take a beating and get hurt a lot, so it doesn't make much sense to pay a lot for one IMO, especially if you can draft one in R3-7 that will do the job well enough. Shanahan offenses arguably are responsible for the shift to not paying RBs or drafting them high. They have done very well with castoffs, UDFAs, and late round picks (Terrell Davis, Olandis Gary, CJ Anderson, Philip Lindsay, Raheem Mostert, Elijah Mitchell, etc.).

[Fritz]

Blake Corum from Michigan has great vision and cutback ability. He's a little on the light side, I think, but that dude is good. He'll be available next April . . .

[smuggler]

That's a third-fourth round back, Fritz. That's if he stays healthy in 2023. He's undersized, to say the least.

If he had the same movement skills with two more inches of height and 10-15 lbs of muscle, that's a first round back.

[Joemailman]

Pro Football Focus has Corum at #41 overall. Sports Illustrated has him at #44. They list him at 213 and 210 pounds, respectively. If those weights are accurate, he's short, not small.

[smuggler]

Those weights are heavier than what I've been tracking about him. If his knee checks out, and he runs well at the combine, I could see him going in the second round.

[Fritz]

Those weights are heavier than what I've been tracking about him. If his knee checks out, and he runs well at the combine, I could see him going in the second round.

I wasn’t suggesting he was necessarily first-round material. And he does seem a bit brittle. My point was that there are talented, much cheaper guys out there that can be had for less than a king’s ransom.

[smuggler]

Agreed on that count. Taylor would be cool in a Packers uni, but it would be a punitive cost.

[SudsMcBucky]

As much as I'd LOVE to have Taylor, this is not the type of move you make at this point in time considering all the dead money baggage we need to still shed this year and next year between AR and Bakh. If we were a true SB contender, then yeah, make this move and go "all-in" but they are asking more than this young team can afford to give up at this point.

[Fritz]

I keep reminding people, they tried the "all in" thing last year - brought back all the guys Rodgers wanted, all the old-timers, his buddies, plus they had veteran help on defense in Jarran Reed. It didn't work out.

I wouldn't want an injured, holding-out-for-a-monster-cntract running back no matter what stage of building a team I was in, if I were a GM.

[bobblehead]

Continue building a dominant OL then ride the likes of Emanual Wilson and Tyler Goodson to the promised land. Talented backs abound post college. Hell, in the right situation a guy like Latavius Murry can lead a team.