Official 2024 NFL Draft Thread

[Joemailman]

Packers currently with the 8th pick. There are actually 8 teams at 2-3, but Packers have had the weakest SOS of those 8 teams.

Packers have not had the 8th pick since 1956 when they drafted HB Jack Losch. Losch played 1 year for the Packers. He rushed 19 times for 43 yards, caught 7 passes for 85 yards, fumbled 3 times, and completed 1 pass for a 63 yard TD. He finished his career with a 158.3 passer rating.

[Sparkey]

Joe Alt, here we come!

[Joemailman]

Joe Alt, here we come!

Could be. Looks like a strong year at OT. https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/big_board

[Joemailman]

And they have the 42nd (Jets) and 47th picks.

[Fritz]

And they have the 42nd (Jets) and 47th picks.

Load up on offensive linemen, inside and out (including a center), a couple of safeties, a couple of running backs. And maybe a big man inside who can make a difference and not be a JAG.

That'll suck up most if not all the picks.

[NewsBruin]

Never mind; what Fritz said.

[mgordo]

Good article on offense $$ value and why we will be drafting high =. https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2023/10/11/23912515/green-bay-packers-salary-cap-analysis-2023-2024-offense-no-one-is-playing-with-less-than-the-packers

[bobblehead]

I generally like the talent on this team. If we get a high pick I would think a LT would have to be on the short list. Hopefully we feel comfortable with Love by seasons end. I want BPA to dictate the picks, but I would really like to leave the first 2 rounds with 2 OL and a S.

[Joemailman]

Draft a LT 1st round (if value available), move Tom to C and move Walker to RT. Or draft a 2nd OT.

[run pMc]

BPA, outside that....OT, S, RB, IOL.
Maybe slot corner, ILB (depends on DeVondre's health&contract), run stuffing DL

I think they will take a very long look at OT, even though they have like 6 on the roster.

Way too early to worry about draft positioning, but I don't think they are going to have a shot at Maye or Caleb.
Maybe Michael Penix, although his age/injury history is scary.

[Fritz]

BPA, outside that....OT, S, RB, IOL.
Maybe slot corner, ILB (depends on DeVondre's health&contract), run stuffing DL

I think they will take a very long look at OT, even though they have like 6 on the roster.

Way too early to worry about draft positioning, but I don't think they are going to have a shot at Maye or Caleb.
Maybe Michael Penix, although his age/injury history is scary.

Isn't his name the scariest thing about him? What if they draft him and you're in the stands, looking down at the two Green Bay quarterbacks standing next to one another, and then you see the back of the jerseys: Penix Love. or Love Penix.

[Bretsky]

I see I'm the only one who wants a Hall of Fame Wide Receiver

How about a QB that is accurate and can actually throw a deep ball ? :))

[RashanGary]

Isn't his name the scariest thing about him? What if they draft him and you're in the stands, looking down at the two Green Bay quarterbacks standing next to one another, and then you see the back of the jerseys: Penix Love. or Love Penix.

You need to calm down :lol:

[Fritz]

I see I'm the only one who wants a Hall of Fame Wide Receiver

How about a QB that is accurate and can actually throw a deep ball ? :))

Brestky, nobody here would bitch if Marvin Harrison Jr. fell to the Packers. It's just that most people think he's about a top-four pick, and most people here don't think the Packers will be quite that bad. Most of us are thinking they'll be picking between ten and fifteen. Or so.

[run pMc]

I wouldn't be sad if GB took MH2 in the draft, I don't think it will happen -- they haven't taken a R1 WR in ages and they likely won't be drafting that high. There's a lot of football left to play this season for the youngsters to learn and improve. Personally I think Reed and Wicks (with time) could be very good, and we haven't seen DuBose.

I think having a QB that is more accurate in more areas of the field would be a huge benefit to this team. Accuracy was a question in CFB and that continues in the pros. My guess it will improve a bit, but will always be an issue and they'll look to move on eventually.
It would not shock me if they took a QB with one of their R2 picks, a la Brian Brohm. Maybe JJ McCarthy, Cameron Ward... someone like that if they are around when they pick. Sean Clifford is a nice backup, but you need better as a starter.

If this team truly is going to be a Shanahan-type of offense, they need to get their running game going, so I think they'll focus there -- OL and RB... and they have basically nothing except Anthony Johnson Jr. at S long-term so they will draft and sign via FA there.
Shanahan offenses have players with after-catch/after-contact ability, I think that will matter as well.

[bobblehead]

Isn't his name the scariest thing about him? What if they draft him and you're in the stands, looking down at the two Green Bay quarterbacks standing next to one another, and then you see the back of the jerseys: Penix Love. or Love Penix.

The lineup of Romeo, Love, Penix would be fucking awesome. I'd buy all 3 jerseys just to hang them on my wall in that order. Can we trade for Hendon Hooker?

[SudsMcBucky]

Played out my first mock draft simulator just to see how things would fall at this point. Here's how I came out:

8: Joe Alt OT
42: TreVeyon Henderson RB
47: Tyler Nubin S
78: Donovan Jackson IOL
113: Cam Ward QB
135: Malachi Moore S
149: Chris Braswell Edge
189: Devin Neal RB
217: Jonah Monheim OT
219: Tate Ratledge IOL
231: Danny Stutsman LB

[call_me_ishmael]

The Packers will be much better later in the season but probably lose some close games and end up about 5-11. They will pick like #7-#10 probably. Way too soon to be itno the draft, the season just started!

[texaspackerbacker]

Drafting O Line early, first round especially, is never a good idea. College quality simply doesn't often translate to NFL for some reason.

Drafting a first round or near QB also would be stupid - many times QBs also don't pan out just because they were great in college, and because taking a QB early would be basically giving up on Love, which doesn't make sense as of this point based on the way he has played, and as was said, Clifford is a very adequate back up.

It would be nice to have a star quality D Lineman, but they better be damn careful, as there seem to be a helluva lot more busts and mediocre ones than stars among first round D Line picks.

We're about full up in quality OLBs and Corners and WRs and TEs.

I've always hated the idea of a first round RB, but this might be the year considering need and what's available in the draft.

ILB is another position I've never like drafting early, but Campbell seems washed up and Quay would be a lot better with a matched pair or somebody even better than him.

Safety too is something we need, but it's a crap shoot taking one early, as college quality doesn't often translate.

That about covers every position. I guess I'd go with one of those last three, RB, ILB, or S, but they better be damn careful not to guess wrong and waste the pick.

[run pMc]

I'm glad tex isn't the GM lol

and yes, I suspect Penix will sell a lot of jerseys ;)

5-11 is a little pessimistic for me, but they have a lot to fix and if they don't that could be right. Agree 5-11 gets you a top 10 pick.

[texaspackerbacker]

5-11 is ridiculous. That is saying we go 3-9 the rest of the way with a pretty easy schedule.

Specifically what that I said do you disagree with, runpMc?

Let some other team grab Penix. Then ya'all fools can have Penix envy.

[Fritz]

5-11 is ridiculous. That is saying we go 3-9 the rest of the way with a pretty easy schedule.

Specifically what that I said do you disagree with, runpMc?

Let some other team grab Penix. Then ya'all fools can have Penix envy.

Okay, Tex, the last two sentences of your post were straight-up hilarious.

[Bretsky]

5-11 is ridiculous. That is saying we go 3-9 the rest of the way with a pretty easy schedule.

Specifically what that I said do you disagree with, runpMc?

Let some other team grab Penix. Then ya'all fools can have Penix envy.



Hasn't our schedule been dam easy up to this point ?

I'm still thinking my iniitial prediction fo 7-10 is prettty close

[RashanGary]

Okay, Tex, the last two sentences of your post were straight-up hilarious.

That was some tier one content from ol’ Texy.

[texaspackerbacker]

Honestly, all this "Penix" talk from people in here like it was something somehow weirdly sexual, I was wondering, was it some kind of porn thing or video game or "device" or whatever? So I Googled it and found nothing except this football player. Then suddenly, I looked down and realized ...... ya'all were just one letter away hahahahahahahaha.

Generally I don't do this weird non-serious crap, but it's bye week, so what the hell.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Stink for Shedeur.

[MadtownPacker]

Stink for Shedeur.
Is Coach coming with him?

[Joemailman]

Stink for Shedeur.

Not nearly as catchy as Suck For Luck was. Please try to do better.

[sharpe1027]

Pander for Sanders is the best I got.

[sharpe1027]

Is Coach coming with him?

I fucking hope not.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Is Coach coming with him?

Coach Prime said he couldn’t see himself coaching in the NFL cos his sumptuous ego wouldn’t mash well with the sumptuous egos in the league. But everyone has a price, so we’ll see.

The Sanders, much like Tony ODay, are pompous mofos. They think they shit gold and are winners in every walk of life.

Love’s game ain’t inspiring but much respect to the dude for his humbleness. Still, the mission of every jock has always been pomp. Can’t be pomp if you ain’t winning, and winning ain’t everything, it’s the only fucking shit that matters, to paraphrase the famous hot-tempered Italian coach.

[NewsBruin]

Coach Prime said he couldn’t see himself coaching in the NFL cos his sumptuous ego wouldn’t mash well with the sumptuous egos in the league. But everyone has a price, so we’ll see.

The Sanders, much like Tony ODay, are pompous mofos. They think they shit gold and are winners in every walk of life.

Deion is a complete self-creation who was a decade ahead of his time in generating his own hype. I think he's an exceptional athlete who improves his skills and tactics and is a supportive teammate when the red light is off.

But take anything he says or does in public with a big ol' salt lick.

If Deion was speaking from the heart, then I think he's living in the past. There are a lot fewer walking soundbites than there were during his era. Kids These Days are a lot more risk-averse than when he was running picks into the endzone. Nowdays, it seems like everyone as a whole is still competitive, but less edgy and attention-seeking.

[King Friday]

I see quite a few attention seekers in the NFL. Not sure which league you are watching. I have nothing against it, just pointing out it hasn’t gone away.

[Joemailman]

Penix explodes for 302 yards and 4 TD's in Huskies cumback win.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Not nearly as catchy as Suck For Luck was. Please try to do better.

Lots of great lyrics ain’t rhyme, like, Lennon’s “Across the Universe.” But if rhymes are what you seek, I have a tons of unpublished “Ted Is Trapped In The Closet” to post.

[bobblehead]

Drafting O Line early, first round especially, is never a good idea. College quality simply doesn't often translate to NFL for some reason.

Drafting a first round or near QB also would be stupid - many times QBs also don't pan out just because they were great in college, and because taking a QB early would be basically giving up on Love, which doesn't make sense as of this point based on the way he has played, and as was said, Clifford is a very adequate back up.

It would be nice to have a star quality D Lineman, but they better be damn careful, as there seem to be a helluva lot more busts and mediocre ones than stars among first round D Line picks.

We're about full up in quality OLBs and Corners and WRs and TEs.

I've always hated the idea of a first round RB, but this might be the year considering need and what's available in the draft.

ILB is another position I've never like drafting early, but Campbell seems washed up and Quay would be a lot better with a matched pair or somebody even better than him.

Safety too is something we need, but it's a crap shoot taking one early, as college quality doesn't often translate.

That about covers every position. I guess I'd go with one of those last three, RB, ILB, or S, but they better be damn careful not to guess wrong and waste the pick.

You would be spot on except that every single data point historically negates your point. Starting LT is the highest average draft capital spent outside of QB. We don't currently have a great LT. Although I think moving Jenkins to LT can word very well, drafting one if available makes all the sense in the world.

[texaspackerbacker]

I say again, a LOT of high drafted O linemen turn out to be busts or at least disappointing.

[mgordo]

I say again, a LOT of high drafted O linemen turn out to be busts or at least disappointing.

1989 draft supports your theory...

[run pMc]

A lot of high drafted players turn out to be busts or at least disappointing.

If you go through the starting tackles in the league, the vast majority of them are R1 picks. That's not a coincidence. Nor is it a coincidence that next to QB, a good LT is considered one of your most valuble players on offense. The contracts they get even reflect that.
Go back and look at who made All-Pro. All-Pro is determined by people who know, not fans, so it's the real deal.

There are a few outliers (Terron Armstead, Mitchell Schwartz, and.... David Bakhtiari) but the vast majority of the All-Pro OT's are not just R1 picks, but top 10 R1 picks.

In other words, you are incorrect in saying drafting OL early is never good. There is plenty of proof to back that up.

[SudsMcBucky]

1989 draft supports your theory...

Too soon!!!

[Freak Out]

1989 draft supports your theory...

1. HOF
2. *
3. HOF
4. HOF
and so on.....

[Joemailman]

I say again, a LOT of high drafted O linemen turn out to be busts or at least disappointing.

Way to go out on a limb. You can say that about any position.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Lots of great lyrics ain’t rhyme, like, Lennon’s “Across the Universe.” But if rhymes are what you seek, I have a tons of unpublished “Ted Is Trapped In The Closet” to post.

Since the Mailman asked, I dotted this chapter shortly after Super Bowl 45:

Ted Is Trapped In The Closet, Chap. 69

When Sherman ruled this part of the world
We wore crowns of green and mustard pearls
Life was merrily drenched in the playoffs
Losing was a bitch we ain’t ever heard of
By and by, the odd polar bear stole the throne
And he turned our fragile beauty into stone

When Favor was our knight in shining amour
We vanquished every foe in the epics of Homer
We slain the Bears, Queens and fucking Lions
We ruled the North like Neo in fucking Zion
By and by, the odd polar bear stole the throne
And he turned Favor’s fragile beauty into stone

Butte is the catcher in the fucking rye
He’s the apple of the polar bear’s eyes
Life now feels like a mother’s warm touch
And it’s so fucking Butteyous in the clutch
And so the odd polar bear sits on his throne
A smile on his face and a heart of stone

[bobblehead]

I say again, a LOT of high drafted O linemen turn out to be busts or at least disappointing.

And a LOT of mushrooms are poisonous so you shouldn't eat mushrooms.

[sharpe1027]

I say again, a LOT of high drafted O linemen turn out to be busts or at least disappointing.
More hits happen in the early rounds than in the mid or late rounds, which is the whole point.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

And a LOT of mushrooms are poisonous so you shouldn't eat mushrooms.

Eventually, I will trek to Vegas. Not sure I would want to stack you at the poker tables, though. Apparently, you ain’t a fungus.

Never draft a Yokozuna in the 1st round. In the first, give me a hotshot QB, a shutdown corner, a diva wideout, a hip hop safety, a poetic edge rusher or an Urlacher. The fats (Yokozuna offensive linemen and defensive linemen) are just not playmakers.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

More hits happen in the early rounds than in the mid or late rounds, which is the whole point.

Sure, it’s nice to have a D’Brickashaw Ferguson protecting the QB’s blindside. But the kung fu (skill) between a Ferguson and a, say, Marshall Newhouse ain’t as material as that of a Butte and a Jon Kitna.

Premium picks should be used on playmakers like the Claymaker and J-Alex, not Elgton Jenkins, Kenny Clark and Derrick Sherods. Sure, there are hits and busts at every position. But replace Clark with, say, Cletudus Hunt, and the production would be extremely similar.

Try replacing the Claymaker with Frank Zombo. The difference in kung fu is significant. Therefore, gotta use premium picks on finesse playmakers, not fat Yokozunas.

[sharpe1027]

Sure, it’s nice to have a D’Brickashaw Ferguson protecting the QB’s blindside. But the kung fu (skill) between a Ferguson and a, say, Marshall Newhouse ain’t as material as that of a Butte and a Jon Kitna.

Premium picks should be used on playmakers like the Claymaker and J-Alex, not Elgton Jenkins, Kenny Clark and Derrick Sherods. Sure, there are hits and busts at every position. But replace Clark with, say, Cletudus Hunt, and the production would be extremely similar.

Try replacing the Claymaker with Frank Zombo. The difference in kung fu is significant. Therefore, gotta use premium picks on finesse playmakers, not fat Yokozunas.

I'm not saying you only pick offensive lineman. I'm just saying you don't take them off the table completely. Hard and fast rules like that aren't wise. You take a look at the options available and make the best decision.

[RashanGary]

Trenches first.

[bobblehead]

More hits happen in the early rounds than in the mid or late rounds, which is the whole point.

Yes, I was mocking Tex. I know, its like picking on the fat kid. Too easy and not nice.

[texaspackerbacker]

Sure, it’s nice to have a D’Brickashaw Ferguson protecting the QB’s blindside. But the kung fu (skill) between a Ferguson and a, say, Marshall Newhouse ain’t as material as that of a Butte and a Jon Kitna.

Premium picks should be used on playmakers like the Claymaker and J-Alex, not Elgton Jenkins, Kenny Clark and Derrick Sherods. Sure, there are hits and busts at every position. But replace Clark with, say, Cletudus Hunt, and the production would be extremely similar.

Try replacing the Claymaker with Frank Zombo. The difference in kung fu is significant. Therefore, gotta use premium picks on finesse playmakers, not fat Yokozunas.

One of your better posts, APB. It’s basically what I’ve said all along - O Line tends to be less important than a lot of other positions.

Yeah right to the idea that you see plenty of busts and disappointments in other positions drafted early too, but I’m fairly sure the most by a wide margin are O linemen.

[sharpe1027]

One of your better posts, APB. It’s basically what I’ve said all along - O Line tends to be less important than a lot of other positions.

Yeah right to the idea that you see plenty of busts and disappointments in other positions drafted early too, but I’m fairly sure the most by a wide margin are O linemen.

I bet DL and QBs bust more often.

[Joemailman]

I bet DL and QBs bust more often.

I found one article which was a bit dated (2015) on the subject. The 4 positions with the most 1st round busts were QB, RB, WR and DL. All the OL positions were in the lower half of bust percentage.

[bobblehead]

I found one article which was a bit dated (2015) on the subject. The 4 positions with the most 1st round busts were QB, RB, WR and DL. All the OL positions were in the lower half of bust percentage.

The move is clear then. Trade all your 1sts and 2nds and load up on the 3rd round....oops, that won't work for our GM.

[Joemailman]

The move is clear then. Trade all your 1sts and 2nds and load up on the 3rd round....oops, that won't work for our GM.

We could own the 4th.

[sharpe1027]

The move is clear then. Trade all your 1sts and 2nds and load up on the 3rd round....oops, that won't work for our GM.
More busts in the 3rd round than in the 1st and 2nd.

[bobblehead]

We could own the 4th.

Yes, the 7 iron of the draft. Mr. 7 wiggle. The home of Bak, Tom, Doubs, Jamal Williams, JC Tretter, Mike Daniels, TJ Lang, Josh Sitton and Brady Poppinga.

If we own the 4th we own the Lombardi Cup!!

[QBME]

I don’t know x’s from o’s, but I read somewhere, on a couple of occasions that building a team, no matter what the sport, you build from the middle out. Made a bunch of sense to me.
Baseball:
Pitchers (obviously)
Catcher
Short stop
Second base
Center field
Basketball:
Center
Point guard
Power forward
Football:
Quarterback (obviously)
Center
Main back
Middle linebacker (back in the day)
Strong Safety

And build out from there

I’m showing my age

Speaking of which, whatever happened to Oldbutnotdeadyet?

Sheesh, even Patler checked in recently

[RashanGary]

I was just looking up all time NBA ppg leaders and saw Jordan at the top. At 6’6” 210 with his movement skills, I wonder what kind of receiver he would have been. Shit, I imagine he’d be the best athlete at the position of all time. He claims he ran a 4.3 40. Yeah, he’d be the goat for sure. I guess without shoes he’s 6’5”, so that 210 is in the ideal range for build.

[RashanGary]

Another kind of random stat…. Since it’s not draft season, this is always off topic….. Damian Lillard is the 11th highest career ppg player in NBA history. Teaming with Giannis is freaking sick.

[bobblehead]

I was just looking up all time NBA ppg leaders and saw Jordan at the top. At 6’6” 210 with his movement skills, I wonder what kind of receiver he would have been. Shit, I imagine he’d be the best athlete at the position of all time. He claims he ran a 4.3 40. Yeah, he’d be the goat for sure. I guess without shoes he’s 6’5”, so that 210 is in the ideal range for build.

It would be unlike Jordan to exaggerate his prowess too.... Iverson might have run a 4.3, but I doubt Jordan ever saw sub 4.5.

[Joemailman]

NFLmockdraftdatabase has these as Packer picks in their 2 round consensus mock draft.


9. J.C. Latham - OT - Alabama

42. Andrew Mukuba - S - Clemson

48. Tyler Guyton - OT - Oklahoma

[bobblehead]

That would be drafting for need. I mean, if it falls that way I'm good with it, but BPA is always the way to go. If we draft top 10 BPA very well may be a tackle.

[Joemailman]

That would be drafting for need. I mean, if it falls that way I'm good with it, but BPA is always the way to go. If we draft top 10 BPA very well may be a tackle.

Those picks were fairly consistent with their big board. None would be a major reach.

[bobblehead]

Ford is playing pretty good at S and Savage hasn't been a complete tire fire but needs to be replaced. Talent wise, its the only hole on the D. Our OL, which should have been a strength this year is the bane of the offense. RB room needs to be revamped as well, but you can do a lot with retread RBs if you have superior OL play.

Going all out on OL in the next draft makes sense. We have young talent all over the offense that needs to play out before we start drafting replacements. The only for CERTAIN positions that need an injection of talent are LT, C, and RB. Tom had a rough go vs. some really top notch competition and brings me back to my original opinion that G or C are his best positions. Walker is improving and could be the answer at one of the T positions. We have a base to work with, but could use another player or 2 in that room to bring the level up.

[Fritz]

I just saw Michigan play last night, and they've got a kid who's a TE that was really impressive. Loveland, I think his name is? Big, rangy, fast, good hands. I don't know if he'll go into the draft - I think he's a sophomore? - but man, he was impressive. So if you're going BPA, hmm....would you take another TE?

[sharpe1027]

I just saw Michigan play last night, and they've got a kid who's a TE that was really impressive. Loveland, I think his name is? Big, rangy, fast, good hands. I don't know if he'll go into the draft - I think he's a sophomore? - but man, he was impressive. So if you're going BPA, hmm....would you take another TE?
Possibly. BPA doesn't mean you completely ignore your needs, but it does mean you don't pass up one a player that's clearly better just because you have a hole to fill somewhere else. Most of the time there's probably several players rated similarly. In that case you can tie break based on need.

[RashanGary]

I’m hoping we lose a bunch. I want a QB. And there are 6 possible first rounders this year.

[RashanGary]

We currently have the 7th pick in the draft. Those top 2 picks are kind of gold this year. Let’s hope the injuries keep mounting and Love keeps stinking.

[Joemailman]

Last time Packers drafted 7th was 1988 and they drafted Sterling Sharpe.

[Teamcheez1]

Looking at our schedule, I see us winning a maximum of 4 more games. At our current rate of injuries and dysfunction, it could certainly be less.

[Joemailman]

Packers have picks 7, 39 and 49.

[RashanGary]

Packers have picks 7, 39 and 49.

Im honestly hoping we stink it up at this point. I want top 2, 3 at the lowest. There are some QBs this year.

[bobblehead]

Im honestly hoping we stink it up at this point. I want top 2, 3 at the lowest. There are some QBs this year.

Also the Bears and Cards have "their guy" under large contracts so they may be willing to drop back a couple spots. I'd like to pick top 6. 7 is the outer limit to be able to swing up to 1. And thats if we deem it necessary to move on from Love. If we aren't sure yet, maybe draft Alt at 7-9 and trade our 2nd and 3rd for capital next year in the expectation of needing to move up for a QB.

[run pMc]

Also the Bears and Cards have "their guy" under large contracts so they may be willing to drop back a couple spots. I'd like to pick top 6. 7 is the outer limit to be able to swing up to 1. And thats if we deem it necessary to move on from Love. If we aren't sure yet, maybe draft Alt at 7-9 and trade our 2nd and 3rd for capital next year in the expectation of needing to move up for a QB.

I think the Bears and Cards could move on from Fields and Murray without blinking.
Caleb Williams and Drake Maye are highly coveted prospects. They will both go Top 3.

[RashanGary]

I think the Bears and Cards could move on from Fields and Murray without blinking.
Caleb Williams and Drake Maye are highly coveted prospects. They will both go Top 3.

Right. No one is passing up a rare top qb prospect for Fields or Murray.

[Fritz]

Packers have picks 7, 39 and 49.

I'm still pissed a little that Rodgers got hurt, and definitely pissed that the Jest and their shitty QB beat the Iggles. That's how a defense wins games.

I also don't know why nobody's nicknamed Chicago's QB "Strawberry" Fields. Cuz then they'd keep him forever!

[Bretsky]

Im honestly hoping we stink it up at this point. I want top 2, 3 at the lowest. There are some QBs this year.:knll:

KUDOS for saying it

Embrace the Tank for the greater good

[run pMc]

Lotta football left in the season. Sucks to be talking draft this early.
I don't want them to tank. If they lose they lose, but I want them to at least show signs of improvement. Haven't seen much of that -- the opposite, actually -- lately.

Right now, it seems like every play there's 10 people doing what they should and one screwing up and wrecking the play. If that happens less at end of season they'll look like a better team.
Injuries are messing with them pretty good, as are cap constraints. All the same, there won't be excuses for these players much longer. With the snaps they are getting, many of the young players should stop be acting like rookies in December.

[texaspackerbacker]

Excellent post from you, run pMc.

Tanking anytime is the idiotic crap that losers do. And it’s way too early to discuss draft needs.

[Freak Out]

Tank talk is stupid. You want these men to continue to fight and improve.

Curious who the top QBs are in the next draft are though.

[Joemailman]

Tank talk is stupid. You want these men to continue to fight and improve.

Curious who the top QBs are in the next draft are though.

Caleb Williams of USC and Drake Maye of North Carolina are the top 2. They've both top 5 picks. There are another 4 or 5 that could go later in the 1st round.

[bobblehead]

Tank talk is stupid. You want these men to continue to fight and improve.

Curious who the top QBs are in the next draft are though.

I'm not suggesting we lose on purpose. I want them to improve and even hopefully win some. I just want to trade guys like Preston who won't be around for the future. That will lead to "tanking". But should they finish the season on an upswing, thats a huge bonus.

[Freak Out]

I'm not suggesting we lose on purpose. I want them to improve and even hopefully win some. I just want to trade guys like Preston who won't be around for the future. That will lead to "tanking". But should they finish the season on an upswing, thats a huge bonus.

That is called smart GM work there....why not trade someone like Smith who can help a playoff team but add to the Packers future?

[run pMc]

Trading some of your pricey, established and aging starters is the only way you can 'tank' and not completely lose your locker room. I still doubt they do much though. Preston would cost a bunch to trade and I don't think you get a lot back. Maybe a late Day 3 pick? I'd rather keep him for the 30 snaps a gae he could play setting the edge. LVN isn't ready yet, Gary is almost off the pitch count but wants a Brinks truck extension, and Enagbare can't stop the run. I think he has more value to GB than say JAX.

The other thing is few GMs and even fewer coaches survive a tank season and make it to the other side. Tanking often comes down from the owner, and GB is a little different that way. I don't think after the success they've had in the last 30 years tanking is something they'd even consider.

If you go into tank mode barely halfway into your season, that's a bad look for fans and players.

[Fritz]

Caleb Williams of USC and Drake Maye of North Carolina are the top 2. They've both top 5 picks. There are another 4 or 5 that could go later in the 1st round.

It would be kind of funny if Guter traded back into the 24th spot and then picked . . . a QB.

[bobblehead]

Trading some of your pricey, established and aging starters is the only way you can 'tank' and not completely lose your locker room. I still doubt they do much though. Preston would cost a bunch to trade and I don't think you get a lot back. Maybe a late Day 3 pick? I'd rather keep him for the 30 snaps a gae he could play setting the edge. LVN isn't ready yet, Gary is almost off the pitch count but wants a Brinks truck extension, and Enagbare can't stop the run. I think he has more value to GB than say JAX.

The other thing is few GMs and even fewer coaches survive a tank season and make it to the other side. Tanking often comes down from the owner, and GB is a little different that way. I don't think after the success they've had in the last 30 years tanking is something they'd even consider.

If you go into tank mode barely halfway into your season, that's a bad look for fans and players.

Getting rid of coaches and GMs without giving them a chance to rebuild comes down from owners as well. Gutes and MiLF can survive it....and will.

[texaspackerbacker]

They will survive because it ain’t the Packer way to panic and fire coaches or GMs too much quick. Hopefully, though, the patience has run out for Barry.

As for the generally stupid concept of rebuilding, that absolutely was not necessary after the McCarthy years, fine tuning at most.

[Bretsky]

They will survive because it ain’t the Packer way to panic and fire coaches or GMs too much quick. Hopefully, though, the patience has run out for Barry.

As for the generally stupid concept of rebuilding, that absolutely was not necessary after the McCarthy years, fine tuning at most.



Weren't you the same guy who said GB would be absolutely screwed if they ever let AROD go.........and......it's never happen ?

What's happening is pretty much what you said would, before they sent him to the J.E.T.S. Jets Jets Jets

[Bretsky]

MARVELOUS MARVIN HARRISON>.......UNSTOPPABLE

[Joemailman]

MARVELOUS MARVIN HARRISON>.......UNSTOPPABLE

TreVeyon Henderson more likely to be a Packer.

[Bretsky]

TreVeyon Henderson more likely to be a Packer.

That is NOT exciting at all

[Joemailman]

OT JC Latham another Buckeye who could be a Packer.

[texaspackerbacker]

TreVeyon Henderson more likely to be a Packer.

I know it’s heresy as a Badger fan, but I’d rather have Henderson than Braelon Allen. I’d also rather have him than Harrison.

[Joemailman]

That is NOT exciting at all

Hey Bretsky! Marvin Harrison starting to look more in reach for Packers.

[red]

TOP 5 pick here we come

lets get a good QB not from USC

[Joemailman]

Packers #6 right now. Could be #5 by the end of the day.

[Travisb72]

OT JC Latham another Buckeye who could be a Packer.

JC Latham plays for Alabamer

[Fritz]

TOP 5 pick here we come

lets get a good QB not from USC

Wait a second . . . as I hear from a friend, this Caleb Williams wants part ownership in whatever team drafts him?

What could be better than the Green Bay Packers, if that's the case? He could be an owner, no problem!

https://img.apmcdn.org/c9cb1cbdca8e380bfddd69d43df6f565459663ec/uncropped/0ad0f0-20110205-packers-owner.jpg

[red]

Wait a second . . . as I hear from a friend, this Caleb Williams wants part ownership in whatever team drafts him?

What could be better than the Green Bay Packers, if that's the case? He could be an owner, no problem!

https://img.apmcdn.org/c9cb1cbdca8e380bfddd69d43df6f565459663ec/uncropped/0ad0f0-20110205-packers-owner.jpg

NO THANK YOU

every single USC qb gets hyped to the moon, and is called a can't miss franchise QB by every single pundit out there

and they all turn out to suck horse cock in the NFL

no thank you to a USC qb

[Bretsky]

Hey Bretsky! Marvin Harrison starting to look more in reach for Packers.:glug::glug::glug::glug::glug:

[run pMc]

NO THANK YOU

every single USC qb gets hyped to the moon, and is called a can't miss franchise QB by every single pundit out there

and they all turn out to suck horse cock in the NFL

no thank you to a USC qb

Way to jersey scout. Seriously, I don't think GB has a shot at him and while I think he'd be a step up from Jordan Love he might not pan out either.

[Bretsky]

I know it’s heresy as a Badger fan, but I’d rather have Henderson than Braelon Allen. I’d also rather have him than Harrison.


I think nearly everybody would take him as a pro over Allen


Saying you want him over Harrison is one of your WORST POSTS EVER

[texaspackerbacker]

I said Henderson over Harrison based on the comparative importance of the position - RB to WR. Henderson reminds me of Aaron Jones only faster. Harrison reminds me of any of the 5 or 10 best WRs in the NFL. It's a close call, but I just think 2 things: a great RB dominates more than a great WR, and greatness in college translates better to the NFL for RBs than WRs.

[Bretsky]

I said Henderson over Harrison based on the comparative importance of the position - RB to WR. Henderson reminds me of Aaron Jones only faster. Harrison reminds me of any of the 5 or 10 best WRs in the NFL. It's a close call, but I just think 2 things: a great RB dominates more than a great WR, and greatness in college translates better to the NFL for RBs than WRs.


Wait, have you not been paying attention to the NFL over the past few years ? Year after year after year after year the game, and draft is valuing WR"s way over RB's. So are the GM's, and teams

Harrison IMO is the best player in college football and is going top 5...most project him in the top 3.

I'm not sure the OSU running back if even the top RB

[texaspackerbacker]

Yeah, that's obvious. And if I was drafting, I probably wouldn't take either a RB or WR in the first round. But if either was a sure thing (which of course could never happen) to be the position GOAT, who would you take? Jim Brown or Jerry Rice? (or substitute a different RB or WR if you prefer) - THAT illustrates why I say RB over WR. Also, that trend the past few years you mentioned, that has a lot to do with the increase in passing. Don't be surprised if that changes back at least a little bit the next decade or so. Also, regarding Harrison, how many great college WRs look unstoppable against college DBs and then flounder in the NFL? More than fast shifty RBs I would guess.

[run pMc]

Bust rate on any position is high.

Scouts love Harrison and think he's a top 5 if not top 3 player.
I could see GB kicking the tires on the OSU RB in Round 3 if he's there. They will absolutely be redoing their RB room this off season. The rumors about Johnathon Taylor and now sniffing around for RBs at the trade deadline are smoke to a fire. Dillon's contract expires and Jones counts like 17-18M vs the cap next year... plus he's aging and isn't a full time back (if still dynamic with the ball).

Henderson is not the top RB in the class. There's some debate over who it is - seems like either Rocket Sanders, the FSU kid, or Blake Corum. None of them strike me as Day 1 picks, I could see a lot of RBs going Day 2 and early Day 3.

[Joemailman]

There doesn't seem to be a consensus yet on who the top RB is. Quite possibly none in the 1st round. Could be 7 or more on Day 2.

If I were Gute with a top 5 pick I'd be taking Fashanu over Harrison. Harrison in great though. Might be the best prospect at WR since the 2011 draft produced A.J. Green and Julio Jones.

[Sparkey]

They can draft all the dynamic rb's or wr's they want, but if they don't fix the offensive line it will not matter.

[Joemailman]

Top teams in current draft order and whether they'll be looking for a QB:

1. Arizona - Don't think so. Murray is signed through 2028. Might want Harrison
2. Carolina - No
3. Chicago - Maybe. Depends on how Ryan Poles feels about Fields. Poles did not draft Fields.
4. N.Y. Giants - Maybe
5. New England - Probably
6. Green Bay - Highly unlikely
7. Indianapolis - No
8. Las Vegas - Yes
9. Denver - Probably
10. L.A. Rams - Probably

[Travisb72]

I'm glad tex isn't the GM lol

and yes, I suspect Penix will sell a lot of jerseys ;)

5-11 is a little pessimistic for me, but they have a lot to fix and if they don't that could be right. Agree 5-11 gets you a top 10 pick.


Top teams in current draft order and whether they'll be looking for a QB:

1. Arizona - Don't think so. Murray is signed through 2028. Might want Harrison
2. Carolina - No
3. Chicago - Maybe. Depends on how Ryan Poles feels about Fields. Poles did not draft Fields.
4. N.Y. Giants - Maybe
5. New England - Probably
6. Green Bay - Highly unlikely
7. Indianapolis - No
8. Las Vegas - Yes
9. Denver - Probably
10. L.A. Rams - Probably

Bears own Carolina’s 2024 1st rounder. Bears will definitely be drafting a qb with one of those pics. Not sure about the Giants- their qb will be in year 2 of a 4year/160 million contract. Hoodie will definitely take a qb- after 3 years, he knows Jones isn’t a Super Bowl qb. Packers will need to be in the top 2 if they want drake or Caleb

[run pMc]

Bears own Carolina’s 2024 1st rounder. Bears will definitely be drafting a qb with one of those pics. Not sure about the Giants- their qb will be in year 2 of a 4year/160 million contract. Hoodie will definitely take a qb- after 3 years, he knows Jones isn’t a Super Bowl qb. Packers will need to be in the top 2 if they want drake or Caleb

Agree. Bears are taking a QB with Carolina's pick unless they drink way, way too much Kool-Aid that Bagent is the answer. (he isn't.)
I think they know about Fields already, especially after the "coaching" answer he had to walk back. If Ebersole survives the year (unlikely, but the McCaskey's are cheap so you never know) he'll be happy to move on.

I could absolutely see a team like SF getting a hold of Fields next year to see if they can make a reclamation project out of him and turn him into a what they envisioned with Trey Lance.

I think every team listed in that top 10 except Indy and Carolina would consider a QB, depending on where they end up in draft order. If GB is sitting at #2, you take the QB. If they stay around 7, they will take a tackle (whichever of Fashanu and Alt is there). A capable LT could help improve their OL vastly.

[Joemailman]

Packers now with picks 6, 38, 50, 70 and 88.

[bobblehead]

With a top 6-7 pick they need to do one of 2 things. Either move up and draft one of the big 2 at QB if you think you can't win with Love, or stay put and take the best OT available. There are several with top 15 grades. Then if you really want to win the trenches you use some of that excess capital to move up and get another one. Then you pray that with a rebuilt OL the rest of the offense improves with experience and things turn around.

[Joemailman]

My Packers 3 round mock draft:

6. Joe Alt - OT - Notre Dame

38. Tyler Nubin - S - Minnesota

50. TreVeyon Henderson - RB - Ohio St.

70. Caelon Carson - CB - Wake Forest

88. Christian Mahogany - IOL - Boston College

[Travisb72]

With a top 6-7 pick they need to do one of 2 things. Either move up and draft one of the big 2 at QB if you think you can't win with Love, or stay put and take the best OT available. There are several with top 15 grades. Then if you really want to win the trenches you use some of that excess capital to move up and get another one. Then you pray that with a rebuilt OL the rest of the offense improves with experience and things turn around.

To be in a position to get either of the two big qb’s, Green Bay currently would need to trade up to #1. At #2 and also with a need at qb, sit the bears. And they aren’t trading that to GB.

And if we go by last years car/chi trade, it’s
Going to cost a kings ransom to get to #1. I imagine it would cost at least this years 1, 2 and next years 1 to move to #1. It’s a ripoff according to jimmy Johnson’s value chart, but Arizona will have a few suitors to get into position for a chance at 1 of the 2 franchise qbs.

I like the idea of sitting put and getting Alt or Fashanu(even though Fashanu was destroyed by Buckeye Tuimoloau a couple weeks ago.)

That doesn’t leave enough capital to move up with the “excess picks” to get into the 15 range for another Tackle. Also, there are too many holes on this team to be giving up all that draft capital .

[Bretsky]

There doesn't seem to be a consensus yet on who the top RB is. Quite possibly none in the 1st round. Could be 7 or more on Day 2.

If I were Gute with a top 5 pick I'd be taking Fashanu over Harrison. Harrison in great though. Might be the best prospect at WR since the 2011 draft produced A.J. Green and Julio Jones.



I think hes the best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson

[Bretsky]

Marvin Harrison round one and then use the rest of the draft to pluck away the fricking OL and DL

[red]

we need to pick up a RB somewhere

jones isn't going to stick around if he's only getting 5 carries a game

and dillon sucks 90% of the time

[Bretsky]

we need to pick up a RB somewhere

jones isn't going to stick around if he's only getting 5 carries a game

and dillon sucks 90% of the time



If they resign Dillon, who was Gutebag's 2nd round draft pick, I'll feel sick

[RashanGary]

If they resign Dillon, who was Gutebag's 2nd round draft pick, I'll feel sick

Dillon is awful. He’s a career backup. Get him for 3M and I’m cool. Might as well keep Jones around. He’s not slowing down. He’s always been injury prone. But if you can get him at a decent price, keep him.

[Bretsky]

Dillon is awful. He’s a career backup. Get him for 3M and I’m cool. Might as well keep Jones around. He’s not slowing down. He’s always been injury prone. But if you can get him at a decent price, keep him.


When you look at some of the 2nd round RB as of late....and then think....we got Dillon...yikes

[call_me_ishmael]

Eddie Lacy was a second round pick and 10x the contributor that Dillon is. Dillon will not sign for any decent money with anyone because he is soft as hell and sucks. Wouldn’t surprise me if this is his last year. He’s that bad.

[RashanGary]

Dillon needs to train really hard for speed and explosiveness and quickness. 100% toward movement and zero focus on size. He can’t do it at that weight. He needs to come down 10lbs and he has a chance to stick around as a good backup.

[bobblehead]

To be in a position to get either of the two big qb’s, Green Bay currently would need to trade up to #1. At #2 and also with a need at qb, sit the bears. And they aren’t trading that to GB.

And if we go by last years car/chi trade, it’s
Going to cost a kings ransom to get to #1. I imagine it would cost at least this years 1, 2 and next years 1 to move to #1. It’s a ripoff according to jimmy Johnson’s value chart, but Arizona will have a few suitors to get into position for a chance at 1 of the 2 franchise qbs.

I like the idea of sitting put and getting Alt or Fashanu(even though Fashanu was destroyed by Buckeye Tuimoloau a couple weeks ago.)

That doesn’t leave enough capital to move up with the “excess picks” to get into the 15 range for another Tackle. Also, there are too many holes on this team to be giving up all that draft capital .

I generally agree with you here, however, Jimmy himself acknowledges that his chart doesn't apply to franchise QBs. If you believe in the one you can get in position to get and you don't believe in Love you pay up.

However I still think they can win with JLove and I want to stay put as well. I should have been clear about trading up after that. I'm thinking more like packaging our 2nd with jets 2nd and maybe a 3rd to move up if a guy you have a high grade on slips to the early 20's where you may be able to get. Or they can get over the Yosh hate and lock him up to play RT and move Tom to C. Then the OL looks a world better.

[bobblehead]

we need to pick up a RB somewhere

jones isn't going to stick around if he's only getting 5 carries a game

and dillon sucks 90% of the time

There are always good RBs available that can run behind good blocking.

[Travisb72]

I generally agree with you here, however, Jimmy himself acknowledges that his chart doesn't apply to franchise QBs. If you believe in the one you can get in position to get and you don't believe in Love you pay up.

However I still think they can win with JLove and I want to stay put as well. I should have been clear about trading up after that. I'm thinking more like packaging our 2nd with jets 2nd and maybe a 3rd to move up if a guy you have a high grade on slips to the early 20's where you may be able to get. Or they can get over the Yosh hate and lock him up to play RT and move Tom to C. Then the OL looks a world better.

When this season is over, I don’t think they are going to have to trade up much if any. They just sent the tank signal out by trading their best CB. They might even jump the bears who made a trade to immediately get better.

[run pMc]

I agree there will be suitors trying to get up to top 2 or 3 to pick a QB, and it's likely to cost more than what CAR paid for Young. Caleb Williams and Drake Maye are both considered better prospects than Bryce Young or CJ Stroud.
The other thing I've heard kicked around is, with the draft coming to GB in 2025, there's almost no way they want to trade away a future R1 pick in 2025 to try and move up. I could see Murphy discouraging a trade, but it could happen I suppose. If they fall to #4 in draft order they might try to leapfrog a team, but that's going to cost picks that Gute covets.

I think that unless the wheels absolutely fall off, they want to give Love more time with this young offense, and MLF a shot at coaching them. If they still stink next year they will clean house and have a high draft pick to lure fans to GB for the draft. At a minimum, I think they will look at who's around at QB in R2 to push Love as a developmental guy, although I'm not a fan of the QB's Gute seems to like (Jordan Love, Drew Lock, Deshone Kizer).

As far as the signaling it's a tank, I don't know if I'd go that far. I think it was better to be a seller than a buyer. They are probably looking at going 1-2 at best over the next three games before they face DET and KC. They also face NYG, CAR, and CHI so there are winnable games left. I think it's less about tanking and more about being realistic about where they are and what the prospects for the season are. Rasul's a good player but I doubt he's moving the needle THAT much.

[SudsMcBucky]

Marvin Harrison round one and then use the rest of the draft to pluck away the fricking OL and DL

Absolutely. And as I play around with mocks, I can get MH about half the time at 6.

[Joemailman]

Absolutely. And as I play around with mocks, I can get MH about half the time at 6.

Depends on what the Bears picks will be. I don't see Harrison getting past the Bears. Right now Bears have 2 & 3.

[SudsMcBucky]

Depends on what the Bears picks will be. I don't see Harrison getting past the Bears. Right now Bears have 2 & 3.

Don't disagree. All I'm saying is IF Marvin falls to our slot, that's a pick I'm making before we're even announced on the clock.

[ThunderDan]

6: R1 P6 OT Joe Alt - Notre Dame
38: R2 P6 S Lathan Ransom - Ohio State
49: R2 P17 C Sedrick Van Pran - Georgia
70: R3 P6 RB TreVeyon Henderson - Ohio State
88: R3 P24 DL Kris Jenkins - Michigan

Using Fanspeak Website.

[Bretsky]

Just read over an interesting Mock Draft.

GB selected Deon Sanders kid at QB.

Hell if that happens might as well bring him in to coach. At least life would be very entertaining then :)))

[Joemailman]

Just read over an interesting Mock Draft.

GB selected Deon Sanders kid at QB.

Hell if that happens might as well bring him in to coach. At least life would be very entertaining then :)))

Sanders needs to get out of that Colorado program ASAP. Last week he was hit so much he had to be injected with painkillers at halftime. For the game he was sacked 7 times and hit another 17 times.

[Travisb72]

I change my mind after watching USC last night. As much as I want Alt or Fashanu, if the Packers are in position, they need to draft Caleb Williams. This kid is Mahomes special. It’ll be a decade plus of slow torture if the bears get him.

[Joemailman]

Packers drop to 7th pick. Rams now 6th.

[RashanGary]

Packers drop to 7th pick. Rams now 6th.

Dangerously close to pick 10-12 and out of the LT sweepstakes.

[Joemailman]

Dangerously close to pick 10-12 and out of the LT sweepstakes.

Packers week SOS keeps them at or near the top of any ties though for now.

[texaspackerbacker]

I say again, WAY TOO SOON to think about the draft.

[run pMc]

Agree with tex, it's too early. Lots of games left.

That said, there are how many games left on the schedule that look winnable? Carolina, the Giants, and the Bears? Vikings would be a coin flip.
They are probably picking somewhere in the 8-11 range when all is said and done.

And no, they aren't bringing Dillon back unless it's on a cheap contract and they let Jones go. They will get at least one if not two new RBs.
Dillon has size and some power but he's not a super physical runner and his vision is not good. The OL hasn't done him a lot of favors this year but he's not getting something from nothing like Jones can often do. Big backs like Dillon don't often succeed if they run upright and don't have great feet/vision. NFL defenses have big strong players who can stop those guys too easily.

I like Dillon - nice guy, Mayor of Door County, etc. - but there's no way I bring him back for 3M as a backup unless they dump Jones and draft a RB1 and want a guy they trust in pass pro to start the season.
(I'd rather they keep Jones and draft a RB)

[bobblehead]

I agree there will be suitors trying to get up to top 2 or 3 to pick a QB, and it's likely to cost more than what CAR paid for Young. Caleb Williams and Drake Maye are both considered better prospects than Bryce Young or CJ Stroud.
The other thing I've heard kicked around is, with the draft coming to GB in 2025, there's almost no way they want to trade away a future R1 pick in 2025 to try and move up. I could see Murphy discouraging a trade, but it could happen I suppose. If they fall to #4 in draft order they might try to leapfrog a team, but that's going to cost picks that Gute covets.

I think that unless the wheels absolutely fall off, they want to give Love more time with this young offense, and MLF a shot at coaching them. If they still stink next year they will clean house and have a high draft pick to lure fans to GB for the draft. At a minimum, I think they will look at who's around at QB in R2 to push Love as a developmental guy, although I'm not a fan of the QB's Gute seems to like (Jordan Love, Drew Lock, Deshone Kizer).

As far as the signaling it's a tank, I don't know if I'd go that far. I think it was better to be a seller than a buyer. They are probably looking at going 1-2 at best over the next three games before they face DET and KC. They also face NYG, CAR, and CHI so there are winnable games left. I think it's less about tanking and more about being realistic about where they are and what the prospects for the season are. Rasul's a good player but I doubt he's moving the needle THAT much.

An old adage that no longer holds true is that you get more value by trading a pick on draft day and a player any other time. Although Sweat cost a lot of money and didn't make sense for the bears, landing him for a 2nd is a steal. Landing Young for a 3rd was a steal. Getting Douglas to move down was a steal.

[Joemailman]

Bears now have the 1st and 5th picks of the draft. Before a lot of people had the Bears drafting a QB (Williams or Maye) and Marvin Harrison. As things stand right now, they might not be able to get both.

[Bretsky]

Marvelous Marvin will be the 1st Non QB drafted. He's going top 4, probably top 3

[ThunderDan]

Bears now have the 1st and 5th picks of the draft. Before a lot of people had the Bears drafting a QB (Williams or Maye) and Marvin Harrison. As things stand right now, they might not be able to get both.

They could get Harrison and one of the 2 LTs. That might solidify their O pretty quickly.

[Joemailman]

They could get Harrison and one of the 2 LTs. That might solidify their O pretty quickly.

They could. So much depends on what GM Ryan Poles thinks of Fields. Poles was not the GM when Fields was drafted. Tankathon right now has the Bears taking Caleb Williams and Fashanu. https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/mock_draft

[Joemailman]

Packers back to #6 pick for now.

[Bretsky]

Packers back to #6 pick for now.

It's really fun to talk about but I don't see the Packers getting to top 3

Number 3 would be GREAT though !!!!

Gutebag can piss me off forever by not taking Marvelous Marvin and instead GB can trade down with a team throwing lots of draft ammo to move up and draft the best player in college football.

To 3 we go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Joemailman]

With the progress the offense is starting to make, I'll be very surprised if they're in the top 5.

[Bretsky]

With the progress the offense is starting to make, I'll be very surprised if they're in the top 5.

I would too; I think odds are we end up around 10 to 12 area

I am still thinking we end up with 7 wins. We do play some Sally's

[texaspackerbacker]

I have doubts about "Marvelous Marvin" being as special as some seem to think.

As for the draft, I'm grudgingly coming around to the point of view of those wanting an O Lineman or two. If they do that, though, they better be damn careful/smart about it, as the chance of busts in that position are huge.

[Joemailman]

Packers projected to have the 3rd most draft capital. https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/power_rankings

Days 1 & 2 Packers have picks 6, 40, 43, 71, 79.

[run pMc]

Packers projected to have the 3rd most draft capital. https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/power_rankings

Days 1 & 2 Packers have picks 6, 40, 43, 71, 79.

but but but Rasul!


They should be able to shore up their OL and find a decent RB and S as well. Maybe even get a QB prospect to groom as Love's replacement. Wolf found Hasselbeck, Brooks and Brunell (and lots of QB duds).
I wouldn't be shocked if Gute trades around a little like he did this past year when he turned his 2nd R2 pick (#45) for Jayden Reed, Dontayvion Wicks and Karl Brooks.

[Bretsky]

Packers projected to have the 3rd most draft capital. https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/power_rankings

Days 1 & 2 Packers have picks 6, 40, 43, 71, 79.



I think I'd be happy with #6

[Joemailman]

but but but Rasul!


They should be able to shore up their OL and find a decent RB and S as well. Maybe even get a QB prospect to groom as Love's replacement. Wolf found Hasselbeck, Brooks and Brunell (and lots of QB duds).
I wouldn't be shocked if Gute trades around a little like he did this past year when he turned his 2nd R2 pick (#45) for Jayden Reed, Dontayvion Wicks and Karl Brooks.

If Harrison and the top 3 OT's are gone when the Packers pick, I'm kind of expecting Gute to try to trade down.

[bobblehead]

I would too; I think odds are we end up around 10 to 12 area

I am still thinking we end up with 7 wins. We do play some Sally's

Isn't that where we drafted after year one with Rodgers? And we used the Favre pick to move up and get Clay....and then we won an Owl right after? I love it when history repeats.

[Joemailman]

Isn't that where we drafted after year one with Rodgers? And we used the Favre pick to move up and get Clay....and then we won an Owl right after? I love it when history repeats.

Drafted Raji at 9. Then traded their 2nd and 3rd, plus the 3rd they got for Favre, to move up to draft Clay, plus I believe received a later pick.

[Fritz]

Drafted Raji at 9. Then traded their 2nd and 3rd, plus the 3rd they got for Favre, to move up to draft Clay, plus I believe received a later pick.

I don't remember what year it was that the Packers had I think the #5 or so overall . . . and picked AJ Hawk. Not the best pick, but I don't think it was a spectacular class after the first couple.

[RashanGary]

I don't remember what year it was that the Packers had I think the #5 or so overall . . . and picked AJ Hawk. Not the best pick, but I don't think it was a spectacular class after the first couple.

Vernon Davis went near by and the one that would have probably worked out best was the big NT, Ngata I think who went 9 or 11 or something.

[RashanGary]

Whoever you pick, wherever you pick, someone in the next 10 picks is usually better. Rare is it that you get a guy, and you’re like, yeah, in hindsight, that’s the best we could have done.

[bobblehead]

Whoever you pick, wherever you pick, someone in the next 10 picks is usually better. Rare is it that you get a guy, and you’re like, yeah, in hindsight, that’s the best we could have done.

Agreed. Sometimes its egregious like taking Myers right in front of Creed though. I get scheme and all, but one is clearly a superior football player in nearly every aspect. I also think the Gary pick wasn't the best pick because Burns and Sweat went much later and are having similar/better careers. They play the same position and as I advocated at the time, trading back for capital and taking one of them would have paid off sooner. Gary finally broke out and its time to pay him. Those guys were effective on day 1.

And this year, drafting Van Ness in front of the big OT, Jones was a mistake. Taking a position we were VERY deep and ignoring a position that clearly was going to need a new LT very soon.

[Bretsky]

Agreed.

And this year, drafting Van Ness in front of the big OT, Jones was a mistake. Taking a position we were VERY deep and ignoring a position that clearly was going to need a new LT very soon.



Absolutely right; but most likely another exampled of Gutebag drafting a player based on his almighty RAS

[run pMc]

EDGE class in next year's draft doesn't sound great, the OT class this year was not great. Has LVN stayed in school as they expected he might have ended up a Top 10 pick. Gute is known for drafting when/where there is good depth.

Broderick Jones was ranked about where he was taken, but everyone thought he was a good run blocker and poor pass blocker. Probably not a fit for GB, as they prioritize pass pro over run blocking. I wouldn't have been mad if they took him, I thought he'd be a project who would be starting in 2024 after they cut/traded Bakhtiari but PIT's OL has issues at OT and they just put him in. I wouldn't say one pick is a slamdunk over the other; too soon for that.
Next year's draft has more OT's who are worthy of a R1 pick - Fashanu, Alt, possibly Mims and Lathan and someone else I'm forgetting. GB will get chances to upgrade their OL with all the top 80 picks they have. Given they didn't draft any OL this past draft, and the likely departures of Runyan, Njiman and Bakhtiari I think they will draft heavily at OL.

I do think they have a habit of drafting players who are great athletes and meh football players. I wonder if those types ofplayers have a higher bust rate than a meh athlete who is a great football player. I suppose it's all about taking swings and going for upside a la Rashan Gary.

[Fritz]

Now that the Packers have signed Gary to an extension we all don't seem to like him as much as we did when he wasn't locked up . . . human nature, I suppose.

I'd agree with run here - Guter was looking at depth at certain positions, and even at the time - last year - it was known this coming year was going to be good for offensive linemen and safeties, and not so much for edge rushers. So Guter picked a coltish edge rusher with upside and now will probably draft two or three offensive linemen and a couple of safeties and running backs. Plus probably another corner, and a late-round ILB.

[texaspackerbacker]

human nature in here, maybe. Most of the world has better sense than to be continually negative and panicky like so many in here.

As for the draft, Fritz, you mostly nailed it about needs. It's a question of order or priority among them.

Right up until this post, I've been in favor of keeping Aaron Jones. Now, sadly, I don't expect them to pay big for him, although maybe he comes back cheap as damaged goods (has anybody heard for sure that the injury is long term?). There should be a lot of good speed backs coming out of college, and thus no need to draft one too early. I actually like our young DBs. Obviously we take a couple, but probably not too early there either. I don't like drafting O Linemen in the first round, but very likely that's what it will be pretty much by default.

[run pMc]

Gary signed a pretty good deal for both sides. Not market setting, but still plenty to reward his production/potential. Won't kill the cap either.

Jones is a fan favorite and a good player, but there are whispers that he hasn't been healthy OR productive this year (outside of Game 1), and a lot of it is age.
RBs age overnight and even though they've never driven Jones into the ground with carries you have to wonder what he has in the tank. At a minimum he wasn't his old self in the PIT game - Elandon Roberts ran him down. If they can redo his contract somehow I'd bring him back. Dillon is a great guy but he can test the market.
Deguara too.
There will be an overhaul at a few positions - Runyan, Njiman, and probably Bakhtiari are gone. Meyers is on double secret probation. OL, RB, and S will get looked at in the draft for sure. CB is a sneaky one - Jaire/Stokes are beat up and Nixon is a FA, and Nixon is a better returner than slot corner.
I could see them taking an ILB. Devondre Campbell probably has one year left at most in GB.

The roster will continue to get younger as they unspool from their cap spending.

[Joemailman]

nm

[Joemailman]

Packers currently with the 9th pick at 4-6. But things could change dramatically. There are 6 teams at 4-6 and 8 teams between 4-7 and 5-6. 13 teams between 3-7 and 5-5.

[run pMc]

There are a lot of bad teams and bad QBs out there. I've heard some of the 'experts' say it's because of the offseason and practice schedules negotiated by the CBA doesn't really help young players develop as much, which really hurts young QBs. Some coaches have said they don't even have time to work on fundamentals in season, you do that on your own in offseason. Probably explains why there is so much bad tackling as well. Coaches don't want to risk injuries in practice and players probably don't practice it much on their own. Too busy learning MMA with their fitness coaches.

I think GB picks no higher than 7th, somewhere in the 9-11 range sounds about right. They'll still have 5 in the top 80 or so, should be an opportunity to continue accumulating young cheap talent. Now if they can develop/coach it up...

[bobblehead]

Now that the Packers have signed Gary to an extension we all don't seem to like him as much as we did when he wasn't locked up . . . human nature, I suppose.

I'd agree with run here - Guter was looking at depth at certain positions, and even at the time - last year - it was known this coming year was going to be good for offensive linemen and safeties, and not so much for edge rushers. So Guter picked a coltish edge rusher with upside and now will probably draft two or three offensive linemen and a couple of safeties and running backs. Plus probably another corner, and a late-round ILB.

I like Gary just fine. He is a stud. But so is Montez Sweat (and has been for longer than Gary) who went like pick 20. Sweat is an elite athlete who played in the SEC and was more refined than Gary. Having Sweat instead of Gary those first 2 years could have been the difference between contender and Owl. Now both are getting paid at the same time.

[Joemailman]

Packers as of now with the 13th pick. Bye bye Tank. Hello playoff race.

[Joemailman]

Blake Corum would look good in the Packers backfield.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'd rather have Treveyon Henderson or any of several other speed backs than Corum.

[RashanGary]

Bakhtiari was a 4th round pick. He wasn’t great for his first two years and fans were insistent he would be replaced by Spriggs or a draft pick. But Bakh was decent his first two years and became great.

Rasheed Walker is a sleeper still as an above average LT. I’m not convinced he needs to be replaced.

[Joemailman]

I'd rather have Treveyon Henderson or any of several other speed backs than Corum.

People are kind od split on Corum. I think the Senior Bowl and Combine will be important for Corum. If he looks good at the Senior Bowl and shows explosiveness at the Combine, he will be a Day 2 pick.

[run pMc]

Bakhtiari was a 4th round pick. He wasn’t great for his first two years and fans were insistent he would be replaced by Spriggs or a draft pick. But Bakh was decent his first two years and became great.

Rasheed Walker is a sleeper still as an above average LT. I’m not convinced he needs to be replaced.

Bit of an apples to oranges comparison. Walker is physically what you want for a T, he's that talented. Bakhtiari was an undersized guy with crazy determination and flawless technique. Bakh in his rookie year was better than Walker has been as a first year starter. Walker gets a little lazy with his technique and for a guy with his talents should be a better run blocker. He might improve (I have concerns about the OL coaching) and if he does they have a very cheap contract for a starting NFL LT. I would not be shocked if they draft a OT early, mostly because I think they want more competition and they aren't likely to have Njiman and Bakhtiari on the roster, which impacts their depth and quality.

Runyan has almost guaranteed himself a ticket out of town with how he's played the last two seasons, which is unfortunate. He started out really good (Newman wasn't bad as a rookie; this regression being the reason I worry about the OL coaching) and has regressed. Maybe he has an injury or RG is the wrong position for him, but there are times he looks fine and others where he looks like he doesn't know how to play football at all. Myers too, but I think they let that contract ride out another year and expire.

The tl;dr is do not be shocked if invest heavily in OL via draft/FA. They have talent on the roster but it could be a LOT better.

Consider this: why were they able to run the ball last year but not this year. (Before you say it's Aaron Jones injuries, recall that Aaron Jones is having a very down year statistically.) They can still pass block ok but this OL has gone from very good to very mediocre, primarily in run game.

[run pMc]

People are kind od split on Corum. I think the Senior Bowl and Combine will be important for Corum. If he looks good at the Senior Bowl and shows explosiveness at the Combine, he will be a Day 2 pick.

Agree. I like Corum but I wonder how tall he really is, and the wear-and-tear question is reasonable...although I thought he was still splitting carries with Donovan Edwards.
Either way, GB needs to get younger/faster/better at RB. I like Jones and Dillon, but Jones is old, and Dillon has subpar vision. Both will be expensive for their production. I think we'll see rookie contracts next year.

Emanuel Wilson is a nice guy to compete for RB3, but until he can prove he's trustworthy at pass pro (and he's healthy) I don't know how much you can play him.

[texaspackerbacker]

With Love and plenty of excellent young receivers already on the team, the Packers need to be Pass-First, same as in the Rodgers years. Dillon is good as RB1 in a Pass-First situation. If his price is not too extreme, they should keep him. If not, he's not irreplaceable. Aaron Jones is damn near a Packer icon, but yeah, he's getting old. I wouldn't be surprised if the demand for him isn't what many think, and maybe the Packers can keep him for fairly cheap. It's almost sacrilegious to lowball him, but business is business. It's just not that hard to find decent young speed backs these days. That applies to the Packers and everybody else too.

[ThunderDan]

Jones is under contract for 24. A contract, kicked down the road to run it back for ARod, which now makes him playing for the Packers unlikely.

[bobblehead]

Bakhtiari was a 4th round pick. He wasn’t great for his first two years and fans were insistent he would be replaced by Spriggs or a draft pick. But Bakh was decent his first two years and became great.

Rasheed Walker is a sleeper still as an above average LT. I’m not convinced he needs to be replaced.

I know you are high on the guy, and his pass pro is pretty good. He had a 3 week slump with the rest of the offense in there, but he has come around. Now he needs to show some better effort on run plays. You can't have any OL in this offense that aren't interested in run blocking. He takes that step and he could be the answer. I posted somewhere its time to stop the bullshit and start both Walker and Nijman, and move Tom to Center. It won't happen now, and Nijman likely isn't back next year, but I think it would be the best 5. Maybe Rhyan at RG, but he hasn't been that good either.

[texaspackerbacker]

So the most likely thing is to cut him because of the big back loaded contract. But it's entirely possible for him to not get any good offers in free agency, and after cutting him, the Packers re-sign him fairly cheap.

Aaron Jones I mean.

[bobblehead]

Bit of an apples to oranges comparison. Walker is physically what you want for a T, he's that talented. Bakhtiari was an undersized guy with crazy determination and flawless technique. Bakh in his rookie year was better than Walker has been as a first year starter. Walker gets a little lazy with his technique and for a guy with his talents should be a better run blocker. He might improve (I have concerns about the OL coaching) and if he does they have a very cheap contract for a starting NFL LT. I would not be shocked if they draft a OT early, mostly because I think they want more competition and they aren't likely to have Njiman and Bakhtiari on the roster, which impacts their depth and quality.

Runyan has almost guaranteed himself a ticket out of town with how he's played the last two seasons, which is unfortunate. He started out really good (Newman wasn't bad as a rookie; this regression being the reason I worry about the OL coaching) and has regressed. Maybe he has an injury or RG is the wrong position for him, but there are times he looks fine and others where he looks like he doesn't know how to play football at all. Myers too, but I think they let that contract ride out another year and expire.

The tl;dr is do not be shocked if invest heavily in OL via draft/FA. They have talent on the roster but it could be a LOT better.

Consider this: why were they able to run the ball last year but not this year. (Before you say it's Aaron Jones injuries, recall that Aaron Jones is having a very down year statistically.) They can still pass block ok but this OL has gone from very good to very mediocre, primarily in run game.

+1. Summed up nicely.

[RashanGary]

Bakhtiari was a 70 pff grade pass blocker his rookie year
85 pff grade pass blocker his second year.

I don’t know Rasheed Walkers pass blocking grade because it costs, but I know it’s 25th among 70 eligible tackles before the lions game. So somewhere around Bakhs 70. His overall is 64. And I know his pass blocking is better, so 70 is probably about where he lies.

There’s a chance he’s a top 20 type tackle and top 10 sort of left tackle. A good chance. I don’t know that we can’t be alright with him as the long term LT. I’m not sold that LT is the need everyone things now or thought 10 years ago when everyone seemed to doubt Bakh.

[RashanGary]

And for as much as people hate on Josh Meyer. I get it. He loses inside sometimes. But he’s not a turnstile, even at the things he’s worst at. And there are a few things he’s downright dominant at, things that open up some unique options on offense. When he gets moving, he breaks down and smokes moving blocks as well as anyone I’ve seen from that spot. They get him out moving on screens, moving protections and run plays. And I haven’t seen a lot of this in the league, but they have a sort of surprise protection they use where they swing him out to help on a dominant edge. He pulls out, swings over to Aiden Hutchinson’s side and then locks him down as an extra blocker. They did it a couple times and were really effective at it.

I’m not sold that he can’t improve a little on his worst traits and I’m definitely not sold that he doesn’t have some unique strengths.

[run pMc]

Myers isn't a trashfire, his problem is that he is more inconsistent than you'd like. He's basically a replacement level starting C, which you can get away with in most games but a dominant DT would eat his lunch, and you're always going to want to replace the guy. It's like being sstuck with a meh ILB or journeyman S.

I don't hate Myers (or Runyan); I'd be happy if they turned it around and started playing well consistently. They are essentially JAGs, and too many of those on your OL will really hurt your offense (or young QB's development).

[Joemailman]

Myers isn't a trashfire, his problem is that he is more inconsistent than you'd like. He's basically a replacement level starting C, which you can get away with in most games but a dominant DT would eat his lunch, and you're always going to want to replace the guy. It's like being sstuck with a meh ILB or journeyman S.

I don't hate Myers (or Runyan); I'd be happy if they turned it around and started playing well consistently. They are essentially JAGs, and too many of those on your OL will really hurt your offense (or young QB's development).

Myers isn't a trashfire. But Runyan pretty much is, and the 2 of them playing next to each other is a real problem. Way too many DL running free in the A gap. Why Runyan has digressed so much in a contract year is a mystery. Hard to imagine he'll be back next year. Wish they'd start Sean Rhyan and be on with it.

Every snap by Sean Rhyan vs. Lions. https://twitter.com/JustusMcKing/status/1728785831735775503

[RashanGary]

Every snap by Sean Rhyan vs. Lions. https://twitter.com/JustusMcKing/status/1728785831735775503[/QUOTE]


When you look at that, it’s almost unthinkable that they’re starting Runyan. The only thing I can think of, and this goes for Meyers too, is that the love having guys who can get out and move when asked. Other than that, just blocking the guy in front of them, Rhyan is by far the more effective player. He might even be dominant.

[call_me_ishmael]

I always assumed the Samoan lookin' fella was a yokozuna and too slow. His numbers compare favorably to Bryan Bulaga Iowa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Bulaga#Professional_career
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Rhyan#Professional_career

[bobblehead]

Meh. Myers is a tire fire about 3 times a game and not dominant ever. Walker needs to up his run blocking, but he has all the tools. As I said somewhere they need to just move Tom inside, where he belongs and start both of the tackles.

[bobblehead]

I like the Rhyan clip. He wasn't bad. Only one bad snap I saw and it didn't affect the play....and he corrected in similar situation next time around.

I always thought of him as a tackle, but he might not have the feet for it. He is damn big for a guard, but hey, misfits happen all the time.

[Joemailman]

I like the Rhyan clip. He wasn't bad. Only one bad snap I saw and it didn't affect the play....and he corrected in similar situation next time around.

I always thought of him as a tackle, but he might not have the feet for it. He is damn big for a guard, but hey, misfits happen all the time.

He played LT at UCLA. But I think I remember Harvey here saying his footwork in pass pro wasn't going to work in the NFL. He's definitely better off at G.

[texaspackerbacker]

Meh. Myers is a tire fire about 3 times a game and not dominant ever. Walker needs to up his run blocking, but he has all the tools. As I said somewhere they need to just move Tom inside, where he belongs and start both of the tackles.

Me and Stenavich disagree.

[RashanGary]

I like the Rhyan clip. He wasn't bad. Only one bad snap I saw and it didn't affect the play....and he corrected in similar situation next time around.

I always thought of him as a tackle, but he might not have the feet for it. He is damn big for a guard, but hey, misfits happen all the time.

The average height and weight of an NFL guard is 6’4.5” and 315lbs
Sean Rhyan is 6’4.5” and 322lbs

Wouldn’t he me more of a prototype?

[Fritz]

Meh. Myers is a tire fire about 3 times a game and not dominant ever. Walker needs to up his run blocking, but he has all the tools. As I said somewhere they need to just move Tom inside, where he belongs and start both of the tackles.

I'd like to see them move Tom to center next year, start Rhyan, and draft a couple of offensive tackles. Then you've got two rookies battling with Walker next year, who, if he can learn to run block, might have a chance. Then you draft a center/guard late, too, and give them next year to figure it out.

[RashanGary]

A good tackle is hard to find. Bulaga thinks Tom is legit. I don’t like the idea of moving a more rare piece into a position that’s easier to fill and then trying to fill the tougher position with high draft picks.

That’s the same reason I hope Walker keeps progressing. It would be such a luxury to have two young, legit tackles.

I know we’re sick of drafting defense high, but I think it’s ideal if we could somehow hit on a true stud DT. The defenses with dominant DL are so hard to beat.

[Joemailman]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAB1RZzXQAAVeln?format=jpg&name=large

[bobblehead]

Me and Stenavich disagree.

You keep great company as I think Adam is about the worst, dumbest human I have listened to in interviews in recent history. I'll trust my eyes over the coach who is invested in NOT admitting everyone is getting worse under his watch.

[bobblehead]

The average height and weight of an NFL guard is 6’4.5” and 315lbs
Sean Rhyan is 6’4.5” and 322lbs

Wouldn’t he me more of a prototype?

If he is only 7lbs over average he wears it very strange. He looks closer to 350 to me. He is immensely wide. I didn't like him as a pick because I saw him as someone who didn't fit either profile, and his tape wasn't as good as Tom's was. Next time he is standing next to Tom (who is simlar size to his combine size 6'4" 305lbs tell me there is only 17 pounds difference. If its true, one is a rock, the other is a marshmallow.

[bobblehead]

A good tackle is hard to find. Bulaga thinks Tom is legit. I don’t like the idea of moving a more rare piece into a position that’s easier to fill and then trying to fill the tougher position with high draft picks.

That’s the same reason I hope Walker keeps progressing. It would be such a luxury to have two young, legit tackles.

I know we’re sick of drafting defense high, but I think it’s ideal if we could somehow hit on a true stud DT. The defenses with dominant DL are so hard to beat.

Tom is very solid at RT, but he could be like Jenkins at G and I have no idea at C, but that was what the brass projected him as. I agree, guys that can play T usually end up there. Truth be told the OL has played much better and Dillon just has shit vision. Like last year they have improved in all areas the last 4-5 weeks. Walker has been really smooth in pass pro. I bag on him, but he probably works a lot more on pass pro than run blocking. I really do think Stenovich is a horrible coach. Myers, Runyan and Newman have all regressed. I'm not positive Walker has improved as much as gotten healthy after that bad shoulder his senior year of college. Nijman has flattened, and some of that is focus, but a coaches job isn't to insult a player with focus issues, its to find a way to get through to him to be locked in every snap. Hey ho, Steno needs to go (and take Barry with him).

[Joemailman]

Tankathon now has Packers picking 20th and taking Cooper DeJean - CB - Iowa. Packers love their Hawkeyes. https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/mock_draft

[call_me_ishmael]

Tom is very solid at RT, but he could be like Jenkins at G and I have no idea at C, but that was what the brass projected him as. I agree, guys that can play T usually end up there. Truth be told the OL has played much better and Dillon just has shit vision. Like last year they have improved in all areas the last 4-5 weeks. Walker has been really smooth in pass pro. I bag on him, but he probably works a lot more on pass pro than run blocking. I really do think Stenovich is a horrible coach. Myers, Runyan and Newman have all regressed. I'm not positive Walker has improved as much as gotten healthy after that bad shoulder his senior year of college. Nijman has flattened, and some of that is focus, but a coaches job isn't to insult a player with focus issues, its to find a way to get through to him to be locked in every snap. Hey ho, Steno needs to go (and take Barry with him).

He has been so good that I don't think he'd want to move to G or C because someone will pay him T money. That dude looks like he's gonna be a good player there for years to come. It does seem like he'd benefit to get a little bigger. He looks small to me. Almost too fit for a yokozuna.

[bobblehead]

edit: oops

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm starting to like the idea of taking a RB, maybe even Braelin Allen, not necessarily in the first round, but more likely in the second.

If we could get a guaranteed star, I'd advocate taking a O Lineman, but it's hard to not think about generations of Mandarich, Sherrod, etc. I don't think we need a Corner or Safety, at least not early. I strongly don't think we need a Receiver or Edge Rusher. Maybe ILB early, but you have to pick and choose very carefully there. It might be better to take on 3rd or 4th round. D Line? The way Barry's D uses them doesn't justify a first round pick.

[run pMc]

BPA all the way, of course, but I think they will (and should) lean heavily towards OL, S and RB. I wouldn't be shocked to see them take a chance on a Day 3 corner.

I'm out on Brealon Allen. Big RBs like him rarely succeed, and I'm not sure what he does that is better than AJ Dillon. What traits does he have that are better than Dillon? Both are big dudes who run upright. The NFL DLs are bigger and stronger than any on the college level.
I wouldn't touch a RB before R3 unless they were near-generational level. The opportunity cost at other positions is pretty high. Was Dillon worth a R2 pick? Would you feel better if he were a R3 or R4 pick? I'd be fine with them not taking a Day 2 RB, especially if it meant finding the next Nick Collins, Mike McKenzie or a James Jones. It won't matter who they have at RB if their run blocking doesn't improve.

[Fritz]

I think they've got enough needs - offensive linemen (plural), safety (maybe safeties), a corner (I'm concerned that Alexander is becoming injury prone and will continue to be) - that I wouldn't spend anything more than a third (and even that's iffy for me) for a back. Unless, as run said, they're near-generational.

I'm wondering if Gutes picks two, maybe in later rounds.

[Joemailman]

With the Packers now holding the 20th pick in the draft, a lot of people are looking at Cooper DeJean of Iowa. He's played CB last 2 years at Iowa, but was recruited as a safety and has the build to play there. (6-1, 209). Packers love their Hawkeyes.


Current Draft Projection and Summary

On my board, DeJean grades out as a top-25 prospect in the 2024 NFL Draft who could feasibly challenge for top-15 capital, depending on schematic preference. It remains to be seen whether or not he’ll unseat Kool-Aid McKinstry as CB1, but DeJean is firmly in the Round 1 CB discussion.

DeJean’s traits and style mesh particularly well with zone and off-man schemes. He’s an explosive, gliding athlete at 6’1″, 209 pounds, with stellar space management skills, zone awareness, route IQ, and reaction quickness, and he also has the rapid closing speed to trigger and wash in front of ill-fated throws.

Naturally, with his mass, DeJean doesn’t quite have elite fluidity. He’s fluid enough with exceptional corrective athleticism, but there are times when he struggles to sink on sharper transitions. Nevertheless, DeJean has great discipline and foot speed in press-man, and he can use his length and physicality to dictate releases as well.


The tape evaluation speaks very favorably of DeJean’s diagnostic tools, both physical and mental. And at the end of the day, the production corroborates his talent. He’s a prolific ball hawk with unmatched playmaking statistics and a support defender with all-encompassing range, physicality, and utility.

There’s an outcome where DeJean splits time between the boundary, the slot, and field safety at the NFL level. Ultimately, he’s an extremely role-versatile player based on the game script. Let him manage and play in space, and let him crash downhill and attack blocks. Either way, he’ll produce from whichever alignment he takes on these jobs.

[texaspackerbacker]

BPA all the way, of course, but I think they will (and should) lean heavily towards OL, S and RB. I wouldn't be shocked to see them take a chance on a Day 3 corner.

I'm out on Brealon Allen. Big RBs like him rarely succeed, and I'm not sure what he does that is better than AJ Dillon. What traits does he have that are better than Dillon? Both are big dudes who run upright. The NFL DLs are bigger and stronger than any on the college level.
I wouldn't touch a RB before R3 unless they were near-generational level. The opportunity cost at other positions is pretty high. Was Dillon worth a R2 pick? Would you feel better if he were a R3 or R4 pick? I'd be fine with them not taking a Day 2 RB, especially if it meant finding the next Nick Collins, Mike McKenzie or a James Jones. It won't matter who they have at RB if their run blocking doesn't improve.

BPA? Does Braelon Allen's middle name start with P? ....... Just kidding. I know you mean Best Player Available, and I tend to agree. It's just that there are a helluva lot of position groups where the Packers are set right now. I also do not dislike the idea of getting this DeJean guy. Iowa players seem to be successful in the NFL more often than some others.

About Braelon Allen, though, what does he have that Dillon doesn't? Breakaway speed. I haven't seen a 40 time on him, but when healthy, he's left a lot of defenders in the dust. And that's not a knock on Dillon, who has been really upping his game lately. And I said, 2nd, not 1st round. He might even fall to the 3rd. I say all of this as somebody who for a long time has opposed drafting a RB early. This year, though, it seems to be at or near the top of the needs the Packers have.

[ThunderDan]

I'm starting to like the idea of taking a RB, maybe even Braelin Allen, not necessarily in the first round, but more likely in the second.

If we could get a guaranteed star, I'd advocate taking a O Lineman, but it's hard to not think about generations of Mandarich, Sherrod, etc. I don't think we need a Corner or Safety, at least not early. I strongly don't think we need a Receiver or Edge Rusher. Maybe ILB early, but you have to pick and choose very carefully there. It might be better to take on 3rd or 4th round. D Line? The way Barry's D uses them doesn't justify a first round pick.

So no to RB in the 1st, no OL in the 1st because they bust, don't need CB or S in the 1st. No OLB or WR. No DL because Barry misuses them.

That leaves ILB, TE, QB, P and K for the 1st round.

All joking aside, I would look at OL, DL, CB, S, ILB and DE

RB, OL, S and ILB seem to be the glaring weakness of this team if Alexander and Stokes come back healthy next year.

Campbell had a great 1st year for the Packers and hasn't been anything close to average since.

OL is doing better but you got to believe you can find a better RG and C than what we are lining up right now.

RBs need to be upgraded but I agree with run pMc. There will be a lot of really talented RBs available in round 3 and later.

I guess I would grab a WR or CB if anyone drops to where we are picking that is worth the value.

[SudsMcBucky]

So no to RB in the 1st, no OL in the 1st because they bust, don't need CB or S in the 1st. No OLB or WR. No DL because Barry misuses them.

That leaves ILB, TE, QB, P and K for the 1st round.

All joking aside, I would look at OL, DL, CB, S, ILB and DE

RB, OL, S and ILB seem to be the glaring weakness of this team if Alexander and Stokes come back healthy next year.

Campbell had a great 1st year for the Packers and hasn't been anything close to average since.

OL is doing better but you got to believe you can find a better RG and C than what we are lining up right now.

RBs need to be upgraded but I agree with run pMc. There will be a lot of really talented RBs available in round 3 and later.

I guess I would grab a WR or CB if anyone drops to where we are picking that is worth the value.

If those are our only R1 options, then let's get the punter from Iowa. :)

[ThunderDan]

If those are our only R1 options, then let's get the punter from Iowa. :)

Maybe we can trade up to grab him and then carry 2 punters on the active roster because he can’t figure out how to punt in the NFL.:razz:

[run pMc]

If those are our only R1 options, then let's get the punter from Iowa. :)

what about long snapper? save that for day 2?

they absolutely need help at many spots on the roster. I will be shocked if they don't draft 2 OL, 2 RBs and a S. There's maybe a 10% chance Jones AND Dillon are both back next year.

[Sparkey]

Tackle, running back and safety, in that order, are the Pack's biggest areas of need.

A month ago I would have said that a Tackle at 6-10 would be the perfect pick. As of now, I think a safety might go first, then OT and then RB. All depends on how their board falls.

[Joemailman]

MHJ says he's undecided about entering draft. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39065220/marvin-harrison-jr-undecided-considering-return-ohio-state

Translation: The Bears Still Suck.

[Fritz]

With the Packers now holding the 20th pick in the draft, a lot of people are looking at Cooper DeJean of Iowa. He's played CB last 2 years at Iowa, but was recruited as a safety and has the build to play there. (6-1, 209). Packers love their Hawkeyes.

Two problems for me: first, is this an echo of Josh Jackson? Secondly, isn't his name an echo of Shemale Jean Claude Charles? DeSean, Shemar?

That's my expert insightful analysis. No on this guy.

Also, isn't safety much more of a need that running back? You can pick up serviceable
RB's from the fourth round on; the Packers are lucky to get a serviceable safety with a first-three-rounds pick.

[texaspackerbacker]

If they take him, he better be more Micah Hyde and less Josh Jackson. As a first round pick, I think I'd want him to be even better than Hyde, though.

[Joemailman]

Josh Jackson was thought to possibly be a 1st round pick until he ran a 4.56 40 at the Combine. DeJean is bigger and faster than Jackson. DeJean has also been an outstanding player 2 years in a row. Jackson was kind of a 1 year sensation.

[Joemailman]

Patriots win pretty much assures that Bears will have 1st pick in the draft.

[RashanGary]

I like that they say Dejean is smart, instinctive, heady, etc. Plus the size and length. If he can tackle like a safety and cover a little closer to a corner, he’s an ideal slot corner and that’s what we need.

[run pMc]

I could see him being the pick. Could possibly play the slot if they don't sign Nixon.

[Joemailman]

nflmockdraftdatabase has Amarius Mims - OT - Georgia as most likely Packer pick. Thet have DeJean as most likely Arizona pick at #18.

[Fritz]

Patriots win pretty much assures that Bears will have 1st pick in the draft.

Hmmm….how can da Bears fuck this one up? Decide Fields is actually the guy, and trade back, only to see Fields become the next Bitch Trubisky while Williams and the Duke QB become stars? Trade Fields, who develops elsewhere, while the QB they pick either sucks (the Duke guy) or becomes such a prima Donna he alienates the whole team and town (Williams)?

So many ways this can go bad for da Bears.

[Joemailman]

Bears and Packers gonna be busy.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fu837biXsAAYcU8?format=jpg&name=small

[call_me_ishmael]

I'd like to see the Packers draft 3 OL next year. They need to solidify the guard and center spot. I doubt they resign Myers. Maybe a scat back and they're good to go. They're sufficient at QB, WR, TE.

I'd like to see them move on from all-pro at ILB. All-pro is anything but.

[Joemailman]

I'd like to see the Packers draft 3 OL next year. They need to solidify the guard and center spot. I doubt they resign Myers. Maybe a scat back and they're good to go. They're sufficient at QB, WR, TE.

I'd like to see them move on from all-pro at ILB. All-pro is anything but.

Myers isn't a free agent. Runyan is. Nijman too.

[call_me_ishmael]

Myers isn't a free agent. Runyan is. Nijman too.

He's in the final year of his deal next year though. I doubt they will extend him unless something dramatically changes. I had forgotten about Bak so I will revise and say I hope they take 4 offensive linemen and two stick.

[Fritz]

Boy, the Panthers are fucked. Shittiest team in the NFL and some of the least draft capital.

Vikes not in great shape that way, either, in our division. And oh, the poor Jest!

[Joemailman]

Boy, the Panthers are fucked. Shittiest team in the NFL and some of the least draft capital.

Vikes not in great shape that way, either, in our division. And oh, the poor Jest!

If Bryce Young is a bust, that trade with the Bears will set them back 5 years.

[run pMc]

Word is Reich liked Stroud better, but Tepper (the owner) wanted Young and was willing to pay to get him. Yikes.

Tepper has been a trash fire for an owner so far, he's burned through a lot of coaches in a couple of years already.
That team was set back 5 years when he bought them.

[Joemailman]

Packers currently with the 11th pick!

[MadtownPacker]

Nice to have something to root for again. :lol:

[red]

Bears and Packers gonna be busy.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fu837biXsAAYcU8?format=jpg&name=small

what in the fuck does this chart mean?

we're 3

3 what? units?

units of what? units of draft capitals?

what the fuck is a unit of draft capital?

[red]

Word is Reich liked Stroud better, but Tepper (the owner) wanted Young and was willing to pay to get him. Yikes.

Tepper has been a trash fire for an owner so far, he's burned through a lot of coaches in a couple of years already.
That team was set back 5 years when he bought them.

i couldn't understand how anyoe could like young better then stroud. thats a move that should get a guy fired, but it was the owner demanding the pick

if i'm the GM or a coach, i walk out the door after the owner demands that and it turns out to be a shit trade and pick

[RashanGary]

what in the fuck does this chart mean?

we're 3

3 what? units?

units of what? units of draft capitals?

what the fuck is a unit of draft capital?

It’s PFF WAR

It sounds like they take the likely hood of a player drafted at each spot and turn it into a number that equates to likely wins above replacement.

Our draft capital equates to close to 3 wins above replacement when you total the likely WAR from each draft slot.


So according to PFF, we’re likely to win 2.5 more games just off of our draft if we draft average for our positions.

But the overall idea here is that we have more picks in the parts of the draft that produce the best players than other teams do.

[RashanGary]

Romeo Doubs has quietly put up as many receptions and yards as Jayden Reed. Doubs is just athletic enough and has good size. He’s a nice step up from the guys in the past who clearly lacked the athleticism to play at this level. He’s probably an average #2 receiver. He’s putting up those kinds of numbers.

Watson, Wicks and Reed have all shown the talent to be high level #2 targets in an offense. If not low tier #1s

Kraft and Musgrave look like two really good tight ends.



4, 2s and two good tight ends…..

I got a big laugh when people said with Davante out we’d be less predictable and therefor better. That doesn’t really work when your guys aren’t very good. But when you have 6 good targets, yeah, now we are talking about a situation where 6 good ones is better than 1 great one. It’s hard to call a bad play when all the guys are weapons.

[run pMc]

I don't think Doubs is very explosive, and that limits his ceiling. He's a WR2 at best, but I think WR3 suits him better. Jayden Reed and Wicks will likely turn out to be better players.
Watson has many of the attributes to be a WR1, he has to put it together AND figure out how to stay healthy. Otherwise, he's basically a better MVS.

Agree it's good to have multiple quality targets vs. just one. Makes the offense more unpredictable and more resilient to injuries or double coverage.

[Joemailman]

Doubs is at best James Jones level. Wicks' footwork is something special. If Watson can shake the injury bug, Doubs may be your number 4. That's pretty good.

[Bretsky]

Watson is a complete wildcard if he can stay healthy. I am on board with thinking Wicks might be a better long term weapon than the rest

[RashanGary]

David Bakhtiari 2nd year pff grade (71)
Rasheed Walker 2nd year off grade (70)


Let’s not forget for Bakhs first two years when he was just getting his first NFL experience, everyone was trying to replace him with Spriggs even though Bakhs first years were above average tackle play.

Rasheed is the same. He’s already above average and hasn’t hit his prime. Relax on looking to replace him.

[run pMc]

David Bakhtiari 2nd year pff grade (71)
Rasheed Walker 2nd year off grade (70)


Let’s not forget for Bakhs first two years when he was just getting his first NFL experience, everyone was trying to replace him with Spriggs even though Bakhs first years were above average tackle play.

Rasheed is the same. He’s already above average and hasn’t hit his prime. Relax on looking to replace him.

I'd still let the board fall to BPA and if there's a good OT there you take them. Njiman and Bakhtiari are likely gone, and injuries happen. At a minimum you'll want a backup swing tackle, and I'm not sure Tenuta or Caleb are it.
They need help on the OL - their run game has been poor this year and a significant part of that is not Dillon's fault. They need a higher level of talent/competition at all positions: C, G and T.

I would be stunned if Gute didn't draft 2 OL and 2 RBs... probably 2 DBs as well. With all the draft capital they have, doubling up at positions isn't a bad way to try and address weaker areas of the roster.

I've had this creeping thought about drafting -- I wonder if you're better off focusing on offense (with exceptions of pass rushers) simply because that's where the rules of the game favor and where year over year efficacy is more consistent. Defensive performance data from year to year is noisy because it's based on QBs faced and injuries. I wonder if you can probably get by with a good pass rush, and so-so but competent players elsewhere PLUS good coaching. Even a league average defense paired with a top 5 offense will get you far, so why not focus your draft resources there? I'm not 100% convinced of this idea; there are plenty of cases of good offensive teams running into defensive buzzsaws. I think matchups has a role to play there too. It's just something that's been rolling around my head the last year or two re: drafting & team building.

[RashanGary]

Oh yeah, star LTs are rare. As good as Sheed has been the second half of the season, if you can upgrade, great.

Walker is a big guy, doesn’t have ideal length. Kind of a prototype RT. If you get a stud LT, Walker theoretically can be a star RT.



And Tom…. You’re not in any sort of rush to move him inside. But you sure as hell could and he’d improve either center or RG.


I’m definitely not saying to stay away from star LTs in the draft, just don’t be in a rush to take him first. There are other spots, equally tough to find spots, that we could upgrade more since we already have two quality, young starting tackles.

[RashanGary]

I’m a bigger fan of Meyers than almost all of the Packer fandom. He’s missed a few assignments, but he does a lot of things well. He’s particularly good at pulling and getting a hat on a moving target. Having that option is so nice. You can get creative in the run game and pass pro.

[RashanGary]

Nice to have something to root for again. :lol:

With Wicks, Reed, Kraft and Musgrave looking like smart, fast, tough, reliable ballers…. And Love playing like a top 10 QB in his first year starting…..

Honestly, a down year with injuries on defense and some lost games due to the offense finding its stride. It’s a really good year, even if it’s a losing season. The cap is getting cleaned up. The arrow is up.

I’m content rooting for a high draft pick.

[run pMc]

I’m a bigger fan of Meyers than almost all of the Packer fandom. He’s missed a few assignments, but he does a lot of things well. He’s particularly good at pulling and getting a hat on a moving target. Having that option is so nice. You can get creative in the run game and pass pro.

He's.... ok. He's been playing better, coinciding with their little win streak, but he's still maddening at times. Talented but inconsistent. He has a lot of the things you'd love to have in a C: big, tough, good athlete, battle-tested at OSU. I think they ask a lot of him in terms of pulling and some of the blocks he has to execute. I also think he has brain farts where his reflexes and fundamentals go completely to hell. I don't really know how else to say it.

I also wonder if he's just a bit too tall at C, he struggles with the leverage battle, especially against big NTs. He's a guy you can get by with but should always be looking to upgrade from. I think him being net to Runyan doesn't help things -- I suspect if he had Jenkins on one side and another really solid G on his other side you could hide hiim or help him against tougher fronts. As a R2 pick he's a disappointment but I wouldn't call him a bust. At this point I don't think he's earned a 2nd contract with GB and they'll probably draft competition for him this year. Jake Hanson was not sufficient competition.

In terms of C's they've had over the last few years, he's worse than Wells and Linsley, better than broken down Jeff Saturday. Might be a little better than Evan Dietrich-Smith was, but in that ballpark. My memory could be a bit hazy there, but that feels about right.

[texaspackerbacker]

I’m a bigger fan of Meyers than almost all of the Packer fandom. He’s missed a few assignments, but he does a lot of things well. He’s particularly good at pulling and getting a hat on a moving target. Having that option is so nice. You can get creative in the run game and pass pro.

hahahaha You and Me, RG.

[Joemailman]

What does "buttoned up" mean? Trying to control who drafts him? Trying to assure he's the #1 pick?



Kalyn Kahler
@kalynkahler

It's Friday, Jan. 12 and Caleb Williams has not yet declared for the NFL draft. The deadline is Monday Jan 15. On Wed, I called Carl Williams, Caleb's dad, to ask why the delay? He referred me to their publicist, who declined to comment until everything is "buttoned up." (1/9)

[Fritz]

What does "buttoned up" mean? Trying to control who drafts him? Trying to assure he's the #1 pick?

Here’s the missing context:

The agent was just putting his dick back in his pants after it had been in Caleb Williams’s mom’s mouth, and was trying to get his Levi’s buttoned up. He didn’t want to comment until after that.

[RashanGary]

I watched a full Caleb game. In the NFL you have to throw with anticipation. If you wait till a guy is open, he’s rarely open by the time the ball gets there.

I didn’t see one anticipation throw. Not one.

He can move around and throw off platform. Moves better than Love, but no better throwing off platform and I saw zero anticipation throws. I doubt his movement is going to be as dynamic when he’s facing guys who run 4.5s and 4.6s at 275 lbs.

I’ll try to watch another game, but the core aspect of being able to throw a guy open, the one quality all the great ones have, I haven’t seen it. I’m not so sure he’s as good as he thinks he is.

[RashanGary]

Physically, arm talent, throwing off playform, running for first downs. He’s everything physically, but I’m not convinced he has it upstairs.

[QBME]

What does "buttoned up" mean? Trying to control who drafts him? Trying to assure he's the #1 pick?

He’s sending the message he absolutely doesn’t want to go to Chicago…where QB’s go to die.
See Trubisky, Cutler, et al.

It’s been pulled off before. John Elway.

Elway had baseball and the Yankees, this guy has another year of College ball and the NIL $$’s that go with it.

Good golly I’m glad we ain’t where they are.

[QBME]

He’s sending the message he absolutely doesn’t want to go to Chicago…where QB’s go to die.
See Trubisky, Cutler, et al.

It’s been pulled off before. John Elway.

Elway had baseball and the Yankees, this guy has another year of College ball and the NIL $$’s that go with it.

Good golly I’m glad we ain’t where they are.

Forgot to mention J Fields.

[Joemailman]

Gute wasting Jordan Love's prime by not drafting a WR in the 1st round.