View Full Version : You could get a probowl player from the draft at any position except QB. What position 1st
RashanGary
12-17-2023, 10:11 PM
I phrased it that way because I don’t want people to consider who might be there or who’s most likely or anything like that. Just what position would you want to fill if you could fill one this year.
call_me_ishmael
12-17-2023, 10:25 PM
Tackle. Then DE.
ThunderDan
12-17-2023, 10:26 PM
Franchise LT for 10 years.
bobblehead
12-17-2023, 10:33 PM
The only thing better than having a great quarterback is having a guy who hits great quarterbacks. Go edge.
RashanGary
12-17-2023, 10:39 PM
The only thing better than a guy who gets QBs from the edge is a guy who does it from the middle. DT.
And there are 20+ legit edges in the league and less than 10 DTs. Hardest to find position in football and most impactful.
Joemailman
12-17-2023, 10:40 PM
I assume you meant this particular Packer team. I would say Safety. A Pro Bowl safety would improve this defense more than any other position. Plus, Packer Super Bowl teams have had Willie Wood, Leroy Butler and Nick Collins at Safety.
RashanGary
12-17-2023, 10:41 PM
I could see safety too. We desperately need a safety and there is so much area to cover in the middle of the field. They don’t get drafted high, they don’t get paid a lot. But I think they make such a huge difference and as bad as we are at safety, that would make a huge difference for us.
I can see cases for a lot of positions.
RashanGary
12-17-2023, 10:43 PM
I say DT because they’re soooooo rare. You can find other positions, but there just aren’t many good DTs. You stack that spot and have a rotation…. You can find the other positions easier.
sharpe1027
12-18-2023, 07:08 AM
Long snapper.
run pMc
12-18-2023, 01:03 PM
DL - those guys are rare. Imagine adding a Myles Garrett, Aaron Donald, or JJ Watt (hell, even a Cam Heyward) to your roster on a rookie salary. Paired with Kenny and then Rashan, you give offenses a lot of trouble.
Next up would be LT, you have a good one and you're set for years. A pro bowl LT (with good health) will give you a decade of worry free pass-pro. That's worth a lot.
Fritz
12-18-2023, 01:05 PM
I say DT because they’re soooooo rare. You can find other positions, but there just aren’t many good DTs. You stack that spot and have a rotation…. You can find the other positions easier.
That's my thinking, too, but I think Joe's point about a safety is also good. Imagine someone who could cover ground like Nick Collins could. Wow.
But still, a Pro Bowl DT is about as disruptive to an offense as it gets. Maxx Crosby, though I think he's more a DE-type, single-handedly wrecked the Packers.
sharpe1027
12-18-2023, 07:36 PM
You could argue if you think it's hard to get good DL, relative to other positions, you just have the wrong expectations for a good DL.
I'll take me a solid pass rush and a good edge set against the run over what other positions provide. Edge for me, but OT is a pretty close second.
Bretsky
12-18-2023, 07:39 PM
GREAT POLL IDEA RG !!!!!!
I'll go with a Pro Bowl Edge to go along with Rashan Gary
I assume you meant this particular Packer team. I would say Safety. A Pro Bowl safety would improve this defense more than any other position. Plus, Packer Super Bowl teams have had Willie Wood, Leroy Butler and Nick Collins at Safety.
This.
Greatest teams are built from the middle.
To be more specific, Free Safety.
Although I’m so old I don’t even know if it’s a thing anymore.
sharpe1027
12-19-2023, 12:30 AM
I assume you meant this particular Packer team. I would say Safety. A Pro Bowl safety would improve this defense more than any other position. Plus, Packer Super Bowl teams have had Willie Wood, Leroy Butler and Nick Collins at Safety.
To be fair though, they also had Willie Davis, Reggie White, and peak form Clay Matthews.
Anti-Polar Bear
12-19-2023, 04:36 AM
Shutdown corner.
The poetic edge rusher and champion D-Yokozuna can be neutralized somewhat with double team blocks. The hip hop safety can be fooled. The shutdown corner’s island is often impregnable.
Look at the Packers without J-Alex. Even with poetic edge rusher Gary Lightbody and everyone’s favorite champion Yokozuna, Cletidus Clark, the defense made DeVito look like Steve Young and Mayfield look like Bert Favor.
Upnorth
12-19-2023, 11:13 AM
I went tackle, but seriously think about dt, s and cb as well.
If the poll was all pro I would definitely go dt.
texaspackerbacker
12-19-2023, 02:26 PM
I put Edge Rusher because as a general case most teams most of the time, that's the biggest difference maker. This year for the Packers, though, it's becoming increasingly apparent that we need a quality ILB.
SudsMcBucky
12-19-2023, 03:01 PM
I'm sick of this regime throwing pick after pick after first round pick at the D and not getting any results regardless of who the coordinator is. And now, with the NFL focus on offense, I'm starting to stack that side of the ball. Of course, this would depend who's all available and the different positions, but I would love an elite tackle to shore up the OL.
Sparkey
12-19-2023, 07:07 PM
Left Tackle, without question.
RashanGary
12-19-2023, 09:05 PM
I put Edge Rusher because as a general case most teams most of the time, that's the biggest difference maker. This year for the Packers, though, it's becoming increasingly apparent that we need a quality ILB.
You don’t think it’s weird that you value the guy rushing the passer, but not the guy stopping the other teams star pass rusher? If one is important, doesn’t the other have to be?
sharpe1027
12-19-2023, 09:43 PM
I'm sick of this regime throwing pick after pick after first round pick at the D and not getting any results regardless of who the coordinator is. And now, with the NFL focus on offense, I'm starting to stack that side of the ball. Of course, this would depend who's all available and the different positions, but I would love an elite tackle to shore up the OL.
I get that, but the question wasn't what you want the organization to spend a high pick on, it was what do you want if you were guaranteed a pro bowl level player. I would agree with you if not for that distinction.
Joemailman
12-19-2023, 09:51 PM
I'm sick of this regime throwing pick after pick after first round pick at the D and not getting any results regardless of who the coordinator is. And now, with the NFL focus on offense, I'm starting to stack that side of the ball. Of course, this would depend who's all available and the different positions, but I would love an elite tackle to shore up the OL.
Actually the Packer OT's, despite being unheralded Day 3 picks, have graded out pretty well. The weak spots on the offensive line have been at Center and Right Guard.
texaspackerbacker
12-19-2023, 10:17 PM
You don’t think it’s weird that you value the guy rushing the passer, but not the guy stopping the other teams star pass rusher? If one is important, doesn’t the other have to be?
The reason I don't think that is weird is 1. defense > offense in importance in general, and 2. I've seen decades of IMO piss poor O Line play, OTs especially, and Favre, Rodgers, and now Love survive and thrive the great majority of the time anyway. You of all people (your namesake), I would think would want a perceived star player like him, or Reggie White or Lawrence Taylor or whoever else would be considered the GOAT pass rushers over Bakhtiari or whoever else were considered great OTs. And that's not even addressing the fact that you're likely to get a Mandarich way too big a percentage of the time.
bobblehead
12-20-2023, 01:11 PM
I say DT because they’re soooooo rare. You can find other positions, but there just aren’t many good DTs. You stack that spot and have a rotation…. You can find the other positions easier.
I'll grant you that when an elite Big man (meaning down lineman) is available they go 1st after elite QBs. A true 3/4 DE is an interior DL, so I grade them similar to DT. Edge is different. But I can't argue with you that pressure up the middle is super disruptive. Its why Clark is much better when we have a lead.
run pMc
12-20-2023, 03:12 PM
The reason I don't think that is weird is 1. defense > offense in importance in general, and 2. I've seen decades of IMO piss poor O Line play, OTs especially, and Favre, Rodgers, and now Love survive and thrive the great majority of the time anyway.
I don't know what games you are watching, but if it's Packer games you couldn't be more wrong on both points.
texaspackerbacker
12-20-2023, 06:39 PM
I knew you and probably others in here - sacred cow worshipers, etc. would disagree hahahaha. What people can suddenly see with Love being rushed so bad, that happened all through the Rodgers years, yet we had all those 13-4 and 14-3 seasons because Rodgers escaped the rush, just as Love does most of the time now. Deny it if ya'all like, but it's pretty damn obvious. And the other, most people consider as a general case, defense to be more important - "defense wins games". Yeah, the Packers to a great extent are an exception to that, but with most teams most of the time, it ain't that way.
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