Another solid game from the QB

[b bulldog]

Brett once again played solid and didn't make any mistakes. The pic was just a good play by the D although he should thank DD for stealing the pic from the defender in the 4th quarter. This shows me that Shermy pretty much just let Brett do whatever he wanted last season cause he looks much more discipline this season.

[b bulldog]

I forgot to mention, two weeks in a row of compliments for Brett :?

[red]

brett has looked ok so far, but to me it looks like he's almost walking on eggshells. for now he's under control and playing with a little bit of disapline, but at any moment it it looks like the flood gets could fly open and the int's will come flooding in

[BallHawk]

That INT was the "uh-oh this doesn't look good" moment of the game. It's 1st down inside the 10 yard line. Take the sack, but don't put up some shit pass.

[woodbuck27]

Brett once again played solid and didn't make any mistakes. The pic was just a good play by the D although he should thank DD for stealing the pic from the defender in the 4th quarter. This shows me that Shermy pretty much just let Brett do whatever he wanted last season cause he looks much more discipline this season.

b bulldog:

Would you analyse the 4 incomplete pass's by Favre in OUR final Series, Please.

Thank You. :mrgreen:

[b bulldog]

he got hit just as he threw it

[woodbuck27]

That INT was the "uh-oh this doesn't look good" moment of the game. It's 1st down inside the 10 yard line. Take the sack, but don't put up some shit pass.

Yes. He had to eat the ball there. Lots of "in close ....still".

[woodbuck27]

he got hit just as he threw it

Yes that's right.Same as Deputy Nutz described that play - pick.

[The Leaper]

My biggest problem with Favre this year has been that he holds the ball too long. He will take a sack out of the pocket...losing 12 yards...instead of throwing the ball away. He did that once early in the 4th quarter...and 10 yards to go quickly becomes 22. That is unacceptable. If no one is open, and you feel the pressure...check the ball in the tenth row. A down and distance sack like that KILLS this offense.

[lord favre]

Wow, if this is the great QB play you had in mind as you were praying for Favre to return this year you should be asking God for a rebate...

[b bulldog]

Didn't he get hit from the blindside? He was rushing things on the final series, he than tends to throw high which he did.

[b bulldog]

never thought I'd get razzed for sticking up for Brett :lol:

[Patler]

Three interceptions this year. Each came on 1st down. Each came after the team had moved the ball. With 2nd, 3rd and 4th downs yet to come in a series, there are times to give up on a play and simply throw the ball away on 1st down.

I know Favre was hit as he threw the pick today, but that's the whole point and not an excuse or justification. The play had gone on a long time, the receiver looked to be covered, Favre had already avoided pressure, the time had come to simply throw it away and see what would come of 2nd or 3rd down.

[The Leaper]

I'm with you Patler. Favre is holding onto the ball way too long. He doesn't have the evasiveness to scramble around like he did 10 years ago.

[Bossman641]

Favre is still missing some throws but he did play pretty well today. You are all right though. He has been holding on to the ball for too long, just throw it away and play another down.

[red]

patler, can you try and explain the qb rating to me

i just looked at the leaders for today and their ratings, and it just didn't look right to me

carson palmer was 24 for 40 (60%) for 352 yards, 2 td's, and 2 int's he was also sacked 4 times

brett was 31 for 55 (56%) for 340 yards, 3 td's and 1 int, he was also sacked twice

espn shows their qb ratings are almost exactly the same, palmer- 84.6, favre-85.4

what the hell, does completion % count more then td's and int's?

[woodbuck27]

My biggest problem with Favre this year has been that he holds the ball too long. He will take a sack out of the pocket...losing 12 yards...instead of throwing the ball away. He did that once early in the 4th quarter...and 10 yards to go quickly becomes 22. That is unacceptable. If no one is open, and you feel the pressure...check the ball in the tenth row. A down and distance sack like that KILLS this offense.

Yes he has to get right there.

[Patler]

patler, can you try and explain the qb rating to me

i just looked at the leaders for today and their ratings, and it just didn't look right to me
carson palmer was 24 for 40 (60%) for 352 yards, 2 td's, and 2 int's he was also sacked 4 times
brett was 31 for 55 (56%) for 340 yards, 3 td's and 1 int, he was also sacked twice
espn shows their qb ratings are almost exactly the same, palmer- 84.6, favre-85.4
what the hell, does completion % count more then td's and int's?

Sacks are not a factor. It really is a calculation of productivity. For example. If Favre's other stats were all the same, but he had 50 more yards, his rating would have been 89.2. If the extra 50 yards had come from 6 more receptions, his rating would have been 98.3. TDs and interceptions sort of cancel out each other, so are a factor only if the number of one is high while the other is low. Two more examples. if all other stats were the same and Favre had thrown 2 interceptions, his rating would drop to 77.8, but if he had thrown 4 TDs and 2 ints. it would be back up to 83.9.

[Fritz]

I'm sticking to my guns - this team will get better. So I'm going to irk some people and say this: Favre looks better than last year, so howz about a little credit to the coaching staff to keep him from self-destructing. The game planning is better this year. MM admitted he'd originally called a run on that first down; changing that call was a mistake.

You run on first and goal from the seven.

[jack's smirking revenge]

That INT was the "uh-oh this doesn't look good" moment of the game. It's 1st down inside the 10 yard line. Take the sack, but don't put up some shit pass.

Agreed. That ball NEVER should've been thrown. It was a dumb error by a veteran QB. He's allowed those every now and then.

tyler

[woodbuck27]

patler, can you try and explain the qb rating to me

i just looked at the leaders for today and their ratings, and it just didn't look right to me
carson palmer was 24 for 40 (60%) for 352 yards, 2 td's, and 2 int's he was also sacked 4 times
brett was 31 for 55 (56%) for 340 yards, 3 td's and 1 int, he was also sacked twice
espn shows their qb ratings are almost exactly the same, palmer- 84.6, favre-85.4
what the hell, does completion % count more then td's and int's?

Sacks are not a factor. It really is a calculation of productivity. For example. If Favre's other stats were all the same, but he had 50 more yards, his rating would have been 89.2. If the extra 50 yards had come from 6 more receptions, his rating would have been 98.3. TDs and interceptions sort of cancel out each other, so are a factor only if the number of one is high while the other is low. Two more examples. if all other stats were the same and Favre had thrown 2 interceptions, his rating would drop to 77.8, but if he had thrown 4 TDs and 2 ints. it would be back up to 83.9.

I had to cook supper for Company so couldn't get to this question till now.

Sink your teeth into this:

NFL quarterback rating formula
The NFL rates its passers for statistical purposes against a fixed performance standard based on statistical achievements of all qualified pro passers since 1960. The current system replaced one that rated passers in relation to their position in a total group based on various criteria.

The current system, which was adopted in 1973, removes inequities that existed in the former method and, at the same time, provides a means of comparing passing performances from one season to the next.

It is important to remember that the system is used to rate pass-ers, not quarterbacks. Statistics do not reflect leadership, play-calling, and other intangible factors that go into making a successful professional quarterback.

Four categories are used as a basis for compiling a rating:
• Percentage of completions per attempt
• Average yards gained per attempt
• Percentage of touchdown passes per attempt
• Percentage of interceptions per attempt

The average standard, is 1.000. The bottom is .000. To earn a 2.000 rating, a passer must perform at exceptional levels, i.e., 70 percent in completions, 10 percent in touchdowns, 1.5 percent in interceptions, and 11 yards average gain per pass attempt. The maximum a passer can receive in any category is 2.375.

For example, to gain a 2.375 in completion percentage, a passer would have to complete 77.5 percent of his passes. The NFL record is 70.55 by Ken Anderson (Cincinnati, 1982).

To earn a 2.375 in percentage of touchdowns, a passer would have to achieve a percentage of 11.9. The record is 13.9 by Sid Luckman (Chicago, 1943).

To gain 2.375 in percentage of interceptions, a passer would have to go the entire season without an interception. The 2.375 figure in average yards is 12.50, compared with the NFL record of 11.17 by Tommy O'Connell (Cleveland, 1957).

In order to make the rating more understandable, the point rating is then converted into a scale of 100. In rare cases, where statistical performance has been superior, it is possible for a passer to surpass a 100 rating.

For example, take Steve Young's record-setting season in 1994 when he completed 324 of 461 passes for 3,969 yards, 35 touchdowns, and 10 interceptions.

The four calculations would be:
• Percentage of Completions — 324 of 461 is 70.28 percent. Subtract 30 from the completion percentage (40.28) and multiply the result by 0.05. The result is a point rating of 2.014.
Note: If the result is less than zero (Comp. Pct. less than 30.0), award zero points. If the results are greater than 2.375 (Comp. Pct. greater than 77.5), award 2.375.

• Average Yards Gained Per Attempt — 3,969 yards divided by 461 attempts is 8.61. Subtract three yards from yards-per-attempt (5.61) and multiply the result by 0.25. The result is 1.403.
Note: If the result is less than zero (yards per attempt less than 3.0), award zero points. If the result is greater than 2.375 (yards per attempt greater than 12.5), award 2.375 points.

• Percentage of Touchdown Passes — 35 touchdowns in 461 attempts is 7.59 percent. Multiply the touchdown percentage by 0.2. The result is 1.518.
Note: If the result is greater than 2.375 (touchdown percentage greater than 11.875), award 2.375.

• Percentage of Interceptions — 10 interceptions in 461 attempts is 2.17 percent. Multiply the interception percentage by 0.25 (0.542) and subtract the number from 2.375. The result is 1.833.
Note: If the result is less than zero (interception percentage greater than 9.5), award zero points.

The sum of the four steps is (2.014 + 1.403 + 1.518 + 1.833) 6.768. The sum is then divided by six (1.128) and multiplied by 100. In this case, the result is 112.8. This same formula can be used to determine a passer rating for any player who attempts at least one pass...

See below for the QB Passer Rating Calculator Link:

http://home.new.rr.com/rosslahaye/

Today for Brett Favre his QB Passing Rating was, based on:

PASSING

CP/AT YDS TD INT
B. Favre 31/55 340 3 1 or using the calulator: 85.42 (actual)

now if he had zero picks today, and the remainder as it was, his rating would have been: 92.99

[Patler]

Here is more of a "laymans" formula for QB rating:

1. Complete passes divided by pass attempts. Subtract 0.3 and divide by 0.2
2. Passing yards divided by pass attempts. Subtract 3 and divide by 4.
3. Touchdown passes divided by pass attempts and divide by .05.
4. Start with .095 and subtract interceptions divided by pass attempts. Divide that product by .04.

Add the sum of 1-4, multiply by 100 and divide by 6.

[Kiwon]

Here is more of a "laymans" formula for QB rating:

1. Complete passes divided by pass attempts. Subtract 0.3 and divide by 0.2
2. Passing yards divided by pass attempts. Subtract 3 and divide by 4.
3. Touchdown passes divided by pass attempts and divide by .05.
4. Start with .095 and subtract interceptions divided by pass attempts. Divide that product by .04.

Add the sum of 1-4, multiply by 100 and divide by 6.

You're joking, right?

[Patler]

Here is more of a "laymans" formula for QB rating:

1. Complete passes divided by pass attempts. Subtract 0.3 and divide by 0.2
2. Passing yards divided by pass attempts. Subtract 3 and divide by 4.
3. Touchdown passes divided by pass attempts and divide by .05.
4. Start with .095 and subtract interceptions divided by pass attempts. Divide that product by .04.

Add the sum of 1-4, multiply by 100 and divide by 6.

Your joking, right?

No, I'm absolutely serious. That's the formula.

[red]

Here is more of a "laymans" formula for QB rating:

1. Complete passes divided by pass attempts. Subtract 0.3 and divide by 0.2
2. Passing yards divided by pass attempts. Subtract 3 and divide by 4.
3. Touchdown passes divided by pass attempts and divide by .05.
4. Start with .095 and subtract interceptions divided by pass attempts. Divide that product by .04.

Add the sum of 1-4, multiply by 100 and divide by 6.

thats the dumbest f'ing thing i've ever seen

[digitaldean]

Here is more of a "laymans" formula for QB rating:

1. Complete passes divided by pass attempts. Subtract 0.3 and divide by 0.2
2. Passing yards divided by pass attempts. Subtract 3 and divide by 4.
3. Touchdown passes divided by pass attempts and divide by .05.
4. Start with .095 and subtract interceptions divided by pass attempts. Divide that product by .04.

Add the sum of 1-4, multiply by 100 and divide by 6.

thats the dumbest f'ing thing i've ever seen

Must have been devised by Prof. Irwin Corey or some unemployed actuary from the IRS.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I had a different view than Jack and No Mo on the Favre pick. I thought it was a case of a guy getting hit as he was throwing the ball. Brees had quite a few of those today. It happens. I can't say that it was a horrible throw or decision. Just a good defensive play. Brett said after the game that he was trying to throw that ball away. What is funny is that the same people who said he should have taken a sack there rather than throw it away are probably the same people who think he should have thrown the ball away on the 12 yard sack in the 4th quarter.

[Patler]

I had a different view than Jack and No Mo on the Favre pick. I thought it was a case of a guy getting hit as he was throwing the ball. Brees had quite a few of those today. It happens. I can't say that it was a horrible throw or decision. Just a good defensive play. Brett said after the game that he was trying to throw that ball away. What is funny is that the same people who said he should have taken a sack there rather than throw it away are probably the same people who think he should have thrown the ball away on the 12 yard sack in the 4th quarter.

If he was really trying to throw it away, I have no problem with it, but it sure looked like he had set himself to launch one of his missles.

[Deputy Nutz]

Three interceptions this year. Each came on 1st down. Each came after the team had moved the ball. With 2nd, 3rd and 4th downs yet to come in a series, there are times to give up on a play and simply throw the ball away on 1st down.

I know Favre was hit as he threw the pick today, but that's the whole point and not an excuse or justification. The play had gone on a long time, the receiver looked to be covered, Favre had already avoided pressure, the time had come to simply throw it away and see what would come of 2nd or 3rd down.

Patler if you listened to McCarthy's press conference you could hear him tell the reporter that Favre was trying to throw the ball away and got hit as he was releasing the ball. I actually believe this because Favre actually had time in the pocket but he went to his left to get out of the pocket to throw the ball away but was hit. Maybe it was supposed to happen this way but it didn't and all you can be concerned with is the end result.

I would be more worried with Favre's accuracy, he keeps throwing the ball high and he is gonna get picked time after time if he doesn't start putting some touch on the ball.

I counted 7 drops today, maybe more

[MJZiggy]

That INT was the "uh-oh this doesn't look good" moment of the game. It's 1st down inside the 10 yard line. Take the sack, but don't put up some shit pass.

Agreed. That ball NEVER should've been thrown. It was a dumb error by a veteran QB. He's allowed those every now and then.

tyler

I thought someone said in another thread that M3 told the press he was trying to throw the ball away and got hit as he was throwing.

[Noodle]

I agree with DN about the accuracy and velocity issues. Dang, we get it, Favre can throw a fastball, but does every friggin pass have to be lasered in there? And the high throws are going either going to get picked or get a receiver who's reaching to make a play killed.

He really looked great at times today, but it just seems like he's throwing everything too dang hard. But you know, on that last drive, I had every belief that he'd drive the field. Didn't work out that way, but I still believe in the guy.

BTW, we should give the D some serious props for stuffing NO with a three and done with 3 minutes left. The D has taken some hits, but they give us a chance to at least tie.

[woodbuck27]

" I counted 7 drops today, maybe more " Deputy Nutz

WOW. That's alot of drops. Deputy Nutz.

Two questions if you would answer please Deputy Nutz:

a.) Does he appear comfortable to you?

b.) This one I havn't read the answer to if anyone did even try to answer it.

On OUR last series, Favre had incomplete's on four consecutive downs.

What went wrong on each of those four downs... if it's still with you Deputy Nutz?

Thank You.

GO PACKERS ! FAITH FOR A WIN IN GAME THREE !!

[jack's smirking revenge]

That INT was the "uh-oh this doesn't look good" moment of the game. It's 1st down inside the 10 yard line. Take the sack, but don't put up some shit pass.

Agreed. That ball NEVER should've been thrown. It was a dumb error by a veteran QB. He's allowed those every now and then.

tyler

I thought someone said in another thread that M3 told the press he was trying to throw the ball away and got hit as he was throwing.

Well, it didn't look like that to me. All of us will probably know more once the tape is reviewed--including M3.

tyler

[woodbuck27]

I agree with DN about the accuracy and velocity issues. Dang, we get it, Favre can throw a fastball, but does every friggin pass have to be lasered in there? And the high throws are going either going to get picked or get a receiver who's reaching to make a play killed.

He really looked great at times today, but it just seems like he's throwing everything too dang hard. But you know, on that last drive, I had every belief that he'd drive the field. Didn't work out that way, but I still believe in the guy.

BTW, we should give the D some serious props for stuffing NO with a three and done with 3 minutes left. The D has taken some hits, but they give us a chance to at least tie.

Most Packer fans were right there with YOU Noodle on that last series. With us having excellent field position to begin that drive (near mid field - OUR 45 Yard line? as I recall).

I was thinking. Will it be a tie, or do we go for it with a 2 point conversion?

Then 1-2-3-4 incomplete pass's??? What happened with those four pass's, Noodle?

[MJZiggy]

I got this one. People didn't catch them. :mrgreen:


I will eventually go back and look, but I saw some stupid drops and, of course, NO knew we'd be passing.

[BF4MVP]

Brett played very well today. There was the one INT that wasn't his fault, he was trying to throw it away and got hit..Then there were the last two throws that were way off the mark..

Otherwise he played well.

[MadtownPacker]

BTW, we should give the D some serious props for stuffing NO with a three and done with 3 minutes left. The D has taken some hits, but they give us a chance to at least tie.
I aint giving the D any props not even pretend ones. NO had to run to burn the clock. D knew they would run and stopped them. But what about the damn 34 points???

Other then the INT Favre played excellent and was a straight up monster on some of those throws. I kinda agree about the lasers. It should be required that all the Packers WRs/RBs/TEs have lasik surgery. I wonder how the hell they can see the ball.

[woodbuck27]

Here is more of a "laymans" formula for QB rating:

1. Complete passes divided by pass attempts. Subtract 0.3 and divide by 0.2
2. Passing yards divided by pass attempts. Subtract 3 and divide by 4.
3. Touchdown passes divided by pass attempts and divide by .05.
4. Start with .095 and subtract interceptions divided by pass attempts. Divide that product by .04.

Add the sum of 1-4, multiply by 100 and divide by 6.

Your joking, right?

No, I'm absolutely serious. That's the formula.

Patler:

That is too seriously funny! :mrgreen: X 10

[FritzDontBlitz]

BTW, we should give the D some serious props for stuffing NO with a three and done with 3 minutes left. The D has taken some hits, but they give us a chance to at least tie.
I aint giving the D any props not even pretend ones. NO had to run to burn the clock. D knew they would run and stopped them. But what about the damn 34 points???

Other then the INT Favre played excellent and was a straight up monster on some of those throws. I kinda agree about the lasers. It should be required that all the Packers WRs/RBs/TEs have lasik surgery. I wonder how the hell they can see the ball.

actually, javon walker credited his breakout season in green bay to having lasix surgery in the offseason. fergy then went and had the same surgery and seemed to be on his way to a great season too before donovan darius derailed him.

i just saw the highlights on nfln. favre's throws looked damn good. on the lone pick he had three open receivers in the right corner of the end zone and was hit as he threw, but it still took a great effort by the defender to leap over hendo to make the pick. it looked like hendo thought he was all alone on the pass and didn't see the defender coming up from behind.

i wasn't able to see the whole game, but packernews.com's blog mentioned that favre was off on a lot of passes to go along with the drops, yet he still went 31-55?

[prsnfoto]

Wow, if this is the great QB play you had in mind as you were praying for Favre to return this year you should be asking God for a rebate...

Hey troll fuckoff and die moron.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I actually thought Favre played better in the Chicago game than this game--until the 4th quarter throws when the team was down 26-0. He's still one of the better QBs in the game. Mainly, I was disappointed at times in his play this game. The interception hurt. It's not all his fault, but he's to blame as much as anybody. His play overall was solid, but it was spotty. There were times when we could have taken control of the game, and Favre struggled. It's hard to fault him too much when he goes 31 of 55 for 340, 3 TDs and has at least 6 drops though.

[HarveyWallbangers]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cl-askthescout091906&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Have Brett Favre's skills really diminished that much?

Physically, Favre is not the same player that he was in his prime. That much is obvious to even the most casual observer. However, his skill level is still better than many starting NFL quarterbacks.

In his prime, Favre was always a wild-child-type player who routinely threw the ball into coverage. Back then, he had two huge factors going for him. One, former head coach Mike Holmgren was both a calming influence and stern hand. Holmgren was great at accentuating the positives in Favre's skills as well as diminishing his flaws. With better personnel weapons surrounding Favre, Holmgren was also outstanding at clearing coverage in the deep middle and allowing Favre to make the throws against man coverage successfully.

Now, the Packers struggle in both pass protection and in the running game, which leads to them falling behind early, which forces them to hope Favre pulls something out of his hat. In this scenario, even the hottest quarterbacks will fail.

When evaluating a player, you must ask yourself why he is struggling or having success. Asking the "whys" accurately and astutely will ultimately bring you to the answer.

A number of other quarterbacks are playing poorly, but there are other issues that are contributing to that. Changing the quarterback is not always the answer, unless he's beaten down physically or mentally and not processing information accurately.

Making a change at a position without addressing the other problems is just cosmetic. If you had transmission problems on your automobile, would changing the tires help? Or would it simply make one situation better without addressing the more significant issue? Translation: If the Packers decided to play Aaron Rodgers right now, he would encounter the same issues as Favre.

[packrulz]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cl-askthescout091906&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Have Brett Favre's skills really diminished that much?

Physically, Favre is not the same player that he was in his prime. That much is obvious to even the most casual observer. However, his skill level is still better than many starting NFL quarterbacks.

In his prime, Favre was always a wild-child-type player who routinely threw the ball into coverage. Back then, he had two huge factors going for him. One, former head coach Mike Holmgren was both a calming influence and stern hand. Holmgren was great at accentuating the positives in Favre's skills as well as diminishing his flaws. With better personnel weapons surrounding Favre, Holmgren was also outstanding at clearing coverage in the deep middle and allowing Favre to make the throws against man coverage successfully.

Now, the Packers struggle in both pass protection and in the running game, which leads to them falling behind early, which forces them to hope Favre pulls something out of his hat. In this scenario, even the hottest quarterbacks will fail.

When evaluating a player, you must ask yourself why he is struggling or having success. Asking the "whys" accurately and astutely will ultimately bring you to the answer.

A number of other quarterbacks are playing poorly, but there are other issues that are contributing to that. Changing the quarterback is not always the answer, unless he's beaten down physically or mentally and not processing information accurately.

Making a change at a position without addressing the other problems is just cosmetic. If you had transmission problems on your automobile, would changing the tires help? Or would it simply make one situation better without addressing the more significant issue? Translation: If the Packers decided to play Aaron Rodgers right now, he would encounter the same issues as Favre.

How true. I thought Favre played good, it was the defense that couldn't shut them down. 6 dropped passes, or more, I'm not sure. Holmgren used to say, "He throws hard, catch the ball." Those were catchable passes yet Favre NEVER rips the players publicly for dropping one. But, I have seen him yell at them.