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Joemailman
12-26-2023, 09:34 AM
Packers lead all-time series 65-58-3. 64-57-3 in regular season, 1-1 in playoffs.
Last meeting: October 29, 2023. Vikings defeated the Packers 24-10 at Lambeau. Packers had just 270 yards total offense. Kirk Cousins threw for 274 yards and 2 TD's before suffering a season-ending injury.
Offensively, Vikings rank 21st in points scored and 10th in yards gained. The starting QB is now Nick Mullens who has thrown for 797 yards in 2+ games with 4 TD's and 6 INT's. T.J. Hockenson leads Vikings in receiving with 960 yards and 5 TD's. However, on Sunday he suffered what may be a serious knee injury. Jordan Addison has 826 yards receiving with 9 TD's but may be day to day with an ankle injury. Justin Jefferson is back from injury and has had 823 receiving yards with 4 TD's. He had a huge game last week against the Lions with 141 receiving yards and 1 TD. Alexander Mattison leads the Vikings with 659 rushing yards, averaging 3.9 YPC. However, he carried the ball only 2 times last week. Ty Chandler has been getting more carries lately.
Defensively Vikings rank 10th in points allowed and 13th in yards allowed. Opposing QB's have passed for 3382 yards with 18 TD's and 11 INT's. Vikings have sacked opposing QB's 42 times led by Danielle Hunter with 15.5. D.J. Wonnum, who has 8 sacks is likely out with an injury. Opponents have rushed for just 1437 yards, averaging just 3.7 YPC and 11 TD's.
Vikings are favored by 1.5.
Moneyline: Vikings -132, Packers +112
Over/under: 46
Packers have won 3 straight as underdog.
bobblehead
12-26-2023, 02:32 PM
so what retread QB are they trotting out to win NFC offensive player of the week?
I have no idea if we can win this one. It will be a dogfight. This even feels like a game the D shows up. 3 on, 3 off kinda deal.
Anti-Polar Bear
12-26-2023, 02:36 PM
Fucking NFL won’t flex this game out of the Sunday Night slot. If I get canned from the burger joint for calling in yet again, the NFL owe me $30,000 (the equivalent of $15/hr, 40 hr/wk for a year).
Joemailman
12-26-2023, 02:59 PM
so what retread QB are they trotting out to win NFC offensive player of the week?
I have no idea if we can win this one. It will be a dogfight. This even feels like a game the D shows up. 3 on, 3 off kinda deal.
Kevin Seifert
@SeifertESPN
Just wrapped up with Kevin O'Connell. He's not ready to name a starting QB for Sunday's game vs. Packers. Indicated all 3 -- Nick Mullens, Jaren Hall and Josh Dobbs -- are under consideration but said he would make a decision before practice prep starts tomorrow.
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Anti-Polar Bear
12-26-2023, 03:08 PM
Queens hotshot TE is out for the season.
MadtownPacker
12-26-2023, 03:14 PM
Open season on Rastak starts…..
Joemailman
12-26-2023, 03:41 PM
Queens hotshot TE is out for the season.
Torn MCL and ACL. That's rough. With it happening this late, won't be ready for start of 2024.
Fritz
12-26-2023, 05:55 PM
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If I were the Minny coach, I'd open up the starting gig on Sunday to bribery - which of those three also ran/retreads wants to be the NFC Offensive Player of the Week next week? Which one has the hottest wife? Anyone have a brother-in-law who has a year's supply of venison backstrap? Who wants the career boost most??
Joemailman
12-26-2023, 11:03 PM
If I were the Minny coach, I'd open up the starting gig on Sunday to bribery - which of those three also ran/retreads wants to be the NFC Offensive Player of the Week next week? Which one has the hottest wife? Anyone have a brother-in-law who has a year's supply of venison backstrap? Who wants the career boost most??
Probably go with Nick Mullens.
https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article15050460.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_nick-mullens-wife-san-francisco-49ers-nfl-740096
Anti-Polar Bear
12-27-2023, 12:21 AM
Torn MCL and ACL. That's rough. With it happening this late, won't be ready for start of 2024.
I know you Boomers/GenX-ers grew up hating the Mobsters of the Midway with every ounce of hatred inside your blood, but us millennials, we grew up watching Favor and Butte owe the Mobsters.
The Queens, on the other hand, fuck the Queens! Everything from the Moss moon job to Queens fans celebrating Butte’s broken shoulder while listening to “Purple Rain,” we despise the Queens.
Fuck the Queens. I am gonna channel my inner Tex and proclaim that I am glad Hockenson is fucked.
texaspackerbacker
12-27-2023, 03:10 AM
hahahaha I'm not gonna deny, that was my reaction to that news. Glad to see I'm not the only "horrible person" as several have said.
Old as I am, I never hated the Bears quite as much as I hate the Vikings - good years and bad in both cases.
Fritz
12-27-2023, 07:06 AM
Probably go with Nick Mullens.
https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article15050460.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_nick-mullens-wife-san-francisco-49ers-nfl-740096
Oh my. I would definitely agree.
This does not look favorable for the Pack - playing in a dome, against a Vikes team with a good defense and an offense missing its top two - or three? - QB's?
Mullens throws for over 350 yards, Vikes defense stifles the young Packer offense. The backup to Hockenson has a career day, too!
Vikes 34
Packers 24, as they score a last-minute, meaningless TD.
Anti-Polar Bear
12-27-2023, 12:27 PM
Did the Packers just suspend J-Alex for the Queens game?
With the Packers facing Jefferson?
With the season on the line?
Anti-Polar Bear
12-27-2023, 12:29 PM
Jesus, the Packers are soft. Suspend your top corner for going out for the stupid coin toss.
Soft and dumb.
Anti-Polar Bear
12-27-2023, 12:29 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39192243/packers-suspend-jaire-alexander-one-game-coin-toss-mixup
Tony Oday
12-27-2023, 12:47 PM
This front office is a joke.
Anti-Polar Bear
12-27-2023, 12:50 PM
This front office is a joke.
For once, I agree with you.
Gutenkunst got a fat, new contract, and now he’s embracing the tank.
Tony Oday
12-27-2023, 12:55 PM
For once, I agree with you.
Gutenkunst got a fat, new contract, and now he’s embracing the tank.
I was surprised the team is as good as it is but why suspend JA when Barry is OBVIOUSLY the problem and he has not been fired.
ThunderDan
12-27-2023, 01:00 PM
Wow, I am shocked. OK Jaire fucked up, but they couldn't handle this internally?
All I can think is that Jaire got a little dinged up in the game and wasn't going to play this week anyway. So pretend to make an example out of him.
Fosco33
12-27-2023, 01:01 PM
Jaire is not the top corner. He barely plays.
He’s a head case and hopefully we can get some value out of him.
He wasn’t a captain and almost fucked up a possession - then played it off as if his shit didn’t stick.
Fuck jaire
Joemailman
12-27-2023, 01:02 PM
For once, I agree with you.
Gutenkunst got a fat, new contract, and now he’s embracing the tank.
Actually, I think it's Jaire who did that.
Anti-Polar Bear
12-27-2023, 01:18 PM
Actually, I think it's Jaire who did that.
Pretty sure Gutenkunst and LaFleur received extensions prior to last season.
Sparkey
12-27-2023, 01:19 PM
Good, that means Valentine will be back out there opposite Stokes
bobblehead
12-27-2023, 01:23 PM
Jaire is not the top corner. He barely plays.
He’s a head case and hopefully we can get some value out of him.
He wasn’t a captain and almost fucked up a possession - then played it off as if his shit didn’t stick.
Fuck jaire
I'm with you. Not the kind of teammate that wins titles. Ship him this offseason if you can get anything real.
Anti-Polar Bear
12-27-2023, 01:28 PM
Jaire is not the top corner. He barely plays.
He’s a head case and hopefully we can get some value out of him.
He wasn’t a captain and almost fucked up a possession - then played it off as if his shit didn’t stick.
Fuck jaire
A bit inconsistent. But when he’s pimping, he’s pimping. Lest you forget, dude shut down Jefferson last season.
I get it, we are all taught to respect authority and all that shit - even burger flippers have to follow the rules/orders set forth by their “supervisors” or face consequences. But c’mon, man! A stupid coin toss! Ain’t like Pack lost a possession or anything.
Suspending your best corner with the season on the line over a fucking coin toss is stupid as fuck.
Fosco33
12-27-2023, 01:52 PM
A bit inconsistent. But when he’s pimping, he’s pimping. Lest you forget, dude shut down Jefferson last season.
I get it, we are all taught to respect authority and all that shit - even burger flippers have to follow the rules/orders set forth by their “supervisors” or face consequences. But c’mon, man! A stupid coin toss! Ain’t like Pack lost a possession or anything.
Suspending your best corner with the season on the line over a fucking coin toss is stupid as fuck.
He also self selected as a captain and didn’t own the mistake.
That’s 3 fuck ups in one fell swoop. Plenty enough to be put in check.
call_me_ishmael
12-27-2023, 02:00 PM
I’m sure there is more to the story behind the scenes.
Anti-Polar Bear
12-27-2023, 02:00 PM
He also self selected as a captain and didn’t own the mistake.
That’s 3 fuck ups in one fell swoop. Plenty enough to be put in check.
Eddie Lacy breaks curfew, gets benched for a quarter. J-Alex goes out for a stupid coin toss, gets suspended. Dumb as fuck.
Joemailman
12-27-2023, 02:01 PM
A bit inconsistent. But when he’s pimping, he’s pimping. Lest you forget, dude shut down Jefferson last season.
I get it, we are all taught to respect authority and all that shit - even burger flippers have to follow the rules/orders set forth by their “supervisors” or face consequences. But c’mon, man! A stupid coin toss! Ain’t like Pack lost a possession or anything.
Suspending your best corner with the season on the line over a fucking coin toss is stupid as fuck.
Actually, with the exception of the 2 games Stokes has played, he's been their worst corner. Opposing QB's have a passer rating of 120 when throwing his way. And he's sucked at tackling, having the highest missed tackle rate of all the CB's. He's sucked this year.
Anti-Polar Bear
12-27-2023, 02:18 PM
Actually, with the exception of the 2 games Stokes has played, he's been their worst corner. Opposing QB's have a passer rating of 120 when throwing his way. And he's sucked at tackling, having the highest missed tackle rate of all the CB's. He's sucked this year.
There are some RBs in NFL history with perfect QB ratings. Are they better at QB than Butte?
Sure, seems like the only thing J-Alex has shutdown this season is the coin toss. But he has also been injured, limiting his opportunities to lower that passer rating. And besides, even Jalan Ramsey gets beat from time to time - hell, Ramsey woulda been the goat of last week’s Cowfucks game had the Mermen offense not bailed him out.
run pMc
12-27-2023, 03:04 PM
Hockenson and Wonnum were put on IR -- yesterday I think?
ACL and MCL is bad news for the high priced TE and leading receiver for MIN
They will have Jefferson, and Osborn had a big day vs. DET. Addison will probably be a go as well, they're all banged up. They could trot 4 Randall Cobbs at receiver against this defense and I'd be worried.
Mullens was chucking it all over the place on Sunday, I think he had like 400 yards and 4 Ints. His wifey is pretty hot.
I'd expect him to get the start, unless they think Dobbs can pull a DeVito. (Hint: with Rashan incapable of edge-contain, he can.)
I have no idea how to predict this game. Entering their final 5 game stretch I had the TB and MIN games as the most concerning, then they crapped the bed against Devito and things haven't improved on D.
I think Love and Co. can move the ball on MIN, but I have no faith in Barry's D. The MIN34, GB 24 prediction sounds about right. Ends the GB playoff hopes and calls for Barry's firing become deafening, but with one game left does it matter? Not to MLF, who tearfully fires him after the season.
run pMc
12-27-2023, 03:17 PM
There are some RBs in NFL history with perfect QB ratings. Are they better at QB than Butte?
Sure, seems like the only thing J-Alex has shutdown this season is the coin toss. But he has also been injured, limiting his opportunities to lower that passer rating. And besides, even Jalan Ramsey gets beat from time to time - hell, Ramsey woulda been the goat of last week’s Cowfucks game had the Mermen offense not bailed him out.
Spoken like a Jaire fanboy.
Look, I like Jaire and think that when he's dialed in he's still a really good CB. Maybe even elite. This year, even at the start of the year when he was healthy, he wasn't very good. I think most weeks he's tuned out Barry and is doing a lot of freelancing. They tolerated that because he can be good, but the coin toss thing was crossing a line for them. He's going to get razzed about that for years, just like Zadarius and his captain's necklace.
I'd prefer to have Jaire going into this game, if he was focused on his job. I just don't think he is. He's a flaky dude to begin with, but this year he's been even moreso. Whatever it is, his play has slipped this year. Between that, his injury saga, and this behavior, he might be more of a distraction than anything.
He's ranked by PFF as the 54th best corner, with a slightly above average grade of 65.4. He's probably the highest ranked CB on GB's roster, which is like saying he's the smartest moron. Being hurt, loco, and ranked as a lower-tier CB2 is not great return for being paid like the highest paid CB in the game.
He needs to get healthy, a new DC, and a fresh start next season. I hope that doesn't involve a trade, but if it did I'd understand. Smaller corners usually don't age well.
Joemailman
12-27-2023, 03:22 PM
Ryan Wood
@ByRyanWood
#Packers coach Matt LaFleur says De'Vondre Campbell, Elgton Jenkins, Christian Watson and Dontayvion Wicks did not practice today.
Joemailman
12-27-2023, 05:29 PM
Wes Hodkiewicz
@WesHod
Question: "How's the thumb?"
AJ Dillon: "It's still attached."
Joemailman
12-27-2023, 05:32 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCYzmb7WoAAAL_u?format=jpg&name=large
Bretsky
12-27-2023, 06:49 PM
I was surprised the team is as good as it is but why suspend JA when Barry is OBVIOUSLY the problem and he has not been fired.
You suspend Jaire because he's a loose cannon malcontent.
I"m 100 percent about firing Barry; but that is no given
Fritz
12-27-2023, 10:54 PM
I wonder if a new DC will be able to solve the problem of “What the hell happened to Jaire?” Or if they’ll end up having to trade him.
And what could they get? Prior to the season, you might’ve gotten a low first, maybe, or at least a second. Now, after the kind of season he’s had, could you even get a third? I wonder.
bobblehead
12-28-2023, 12:13 AM
I wonder if a new DC will be able to solve the problem of “What the hell happened to Jaire?” Or if they’ll end up having to trade him.
And what could they get? Prior to the season, you might’ve gotten a low first, maybe, or at least a second. Now, after the kind of season he’s had, could you even get a third? I wonder.
Jaire is uber athletic and uber stupid. He can't play zone to save his skin. He definitely can't play 15 yards off the WR zone. That appears to be whats wrong to me. Bring back pettine if we have to, but Barry fucking blows.
RashanGary
12-28-2023, 08:22 AM
Kind of a weird hunch here, but ja is a hippy meditation weirdo. Maybe there is some tension because he’s refusing surgery and the Packers paid the clown 100M and now he’s never going to be healthy because he wants to be all natural.
No basis for it other than it’s weird how his shoulder never heals and weird that they seem fed up with his shit.
bobblehead
12-28-2023, 09:15 AM
I've had several thoughts this week as we prepare for a new year. How did "going all in" work out for the Broncos and Jets? Does Sean Peyton have shame for talking trash and then stinking up the field? Once Rodgers retires will anyone ever employ Nathaniel Hackett again? With so many injuries, would it benefit a team to hire a specialist for young players to learn how to prepare their bodies to play in the NFL. Is MiLF too soft? He wanted a "player led" culture when he was hired. Well, with the way Zadarius acted while here, Rodgers issues getting worse, Bak not playing more than a handful after getting paid, Alexander acting punkish etc, is it time to change that attitude? Would have a Mercedes called out some of these guys? Whoever we hire as our next DC better be a disciplinarian. And don't get me started on trading Rasul. Guy showed up to play. Guy was a good team mate. That trade still has Gutes on my Christmas naughty list.
Freak Out
12-28-2023, 11:25 AM
Jones and Love win this game.
Anti-Polar Bear
12-28-2023, 01:25 PM
Looks like Hall will start this game at QB for the Queens. Don’t know anything about this guy other than he’s half-white. If the Packers lose to a team quarterbacked by a half-white QB, I swear I am gonna boycott racial jokes for a year.
Still think it’s dumb as fuck the Packer suspended J-Alex for going out for the stupid coin toss.
Joemailman
12-28-2023, 05:53 PM
Looks like Hall will start this game at QB for the Queens. Don’t know anything about this guy other than he’s half-white. If the Packers lose to a team quarterbacked by a half-white QB, I swear I am gonna boycott racial jokes for a year.
Still think it’s dumb as fuck the Packer suspended J-Alex for going out for the stupid coin toss.
Hey dumbass, Jordan Love is half white.
https://media.distractify.com/brand-img/DUfFaWOqO/2160x1131/jordan-love-with-his-parents-at-football-game-1694707076533.jpg
Been here on the site for a while.
It’s all about color with you mo’fos
Maybe, just freaking maybe he’s half white?
OMG, the DNA that may just hold him back
Fritz
12-28-2023, 06:15 PM
Jones and Love win this game.
If the offense can score, say, 38-plus points, mebbe.
Honestly, they might have to put up 41+ to win.
And fuck you APB
All pretending around to be hip and hop and you don’t know shit
In life
In love
In football
Out
Joemailman
12-28-2023, 08:30 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCd0REbW8AMJXAi?format=jpg&name=medium
Anti-Polar Bear
12-29-2023, 12:13 AM
And fuck you APB
All pretending around to be hip and hop and you don’t know shit
In life
In love
In football
Out
Yo, I am just trying to be a jester like the downtrodden Arthur Fleck.
Case you haven’t gotten the memo, I am already boycotting pizza (goddam Packers lost to a team QBed by a damn Italian in DeVito) and sophistry/sophistication (a damn Redcoat in Mayfield).
Vincenzo
12-29-2023, 03:31 AM
Been here on the site for a while.
It’s all about color with you mo’fos
Maybe, just freaking maybe he’s half white?
OMG, the DNA that may just hold him back
LMAO at this. Gotta totally agree cuz I’ve noticed this too. It’s as if half around here come from small predominantly white towns where this is a big deal.
Wouldn’t want to go on too much about the topic but it sure is something that stands out around here.
Vincenzo
12-29-2023, 03:40 AM
Fucking NFL won’t flex this game out of the Sunday Night slot. If I get canned from the burger joint for calling in yet again, the NFL owe me $30,000 (the equivalent of $15/hr, 40 hr/wk for a year).
You and your Burger flipper thing you gone on about has always been a good crack. It’s especially amusing for me because I have a University degree on the wall that may as well be toilet paper given I drive a Fork Lift for a living. Lucky for me tho, I married into money and get to retire in 2 years at 60.
Fosco33
12-29-2023, 10:38 AM
Yo, I am just trying to be a jester like the downtrodden Arthur Fleck.
Case you haven’t gotten the memo, I am already boycotting pizza (goddam Packers lost to a team QBed by a damn Italian in DeVito) and sophistry/sophistication (a damn Redcoat in Mayfield).
You should create an Evil Joe Barry character. I bet mad would let you create a new character each year…
Anti-Polar Bear
12-29-2023, 11:59 AM
You and your Burger flipper thing you gone on about has always been a good crack. It’s especially amusing for me because I have a University degree on the wall that may as well be toilet paper given I drive a Fork Lift for a living. Lucky for me tho, I married into money and get to retire in 2 years at 60.
Lucky you, indeed.
I am so sick and tired of flipping burgers. Sick of incompetent bosses. Sick of lazy co-workers making the same as I do. Sick of $15/hr. Body and mind are tired as fuck.
Just quit already, right? For the coward who fears the unknown, quitting ain’t so easy. Perhaps getting canned wouldn’t be so bad. I’d be free.
Anti-Polar Bear
12-29-2023, 12:33 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCd0REbW8AMJXAi?format=jpg&name=medium
Enough about the sorry burger flipping loser. Back to futbol.
How many soft fellows on this list will be IRed should the motherfuck happen and Pack lose this game? Give Clifford a shot in the finale?
Fritz
12-29-2023, 01:51 PM
The more I read about this game and the Vikes, the less I like it.
They're starting a QB who will probably bolt the pocket the second he senses any pressure at all. That means he'll have Tommy Cutlet-like rushing numbers.
The Vikes' defense sounds like it's quite unpredictable - and successful. My gosh, if they shut the Pack down, this could be a beat-down.
And if the Vikes get ahead early, my guess is that they'll gash Joe Barely's defense - on the ground.
Probably the biggest question is whether the Vikings' moribund running game or the rookie QB will be the biggest beneficiary of this Joe Barely defense.
I am going to the season finale against da Bears and was hoping it would be for a spot in the playoffs, but that doesn't seem likely at this point. Not the way this game seems to be shaping up.
Teamcheez1
12-29-2023, 03:24 PM
Enough about the sorry burger flipping loser. Back to futbol.
How many soft fellows on this list will be IRed should the motherfuck happen and Pack lose this game? Give Clifford a shot in the finale?
Put Watson and Campbell on IR.
Watson is just an injury waiting to happen if he manages to get on the field.
Campbell will be sent packing at the end of the season.
CaptainKickass
12-29-2023, 03:41 PM
He wasn’t a captain and almost fucked up a possession
Y'all already know this but sometimes a reminder is called for...
https://i.imgflip.com/8asazc.jpg
Vincenzo
12-29-2023, 03:46 PM
Enough about the sorry burger flipping loser. Back to futbol.
How many soft fellows on this list will be IRed should the motherfuck happen and Pack lose this game? Give Clifford a shot in the finale?
My 80 year old Mother says I’m great at “putting myself down” like you do. Don’t be so fucking hard on yourself my man, just keep up that sense of humour and you’ll be fine.
That Christian Glass Watson is the guy that gets me this year. I mean wtf, every time he seems to hit the field he comes up limping with a hammy. The guy is a piss off cuz we need him.
Vincenzo
12-29-2023, 03:56 PM
The more I read about this game and the Vikes, the less I like it.
I am going to the season finale against da Bears and was hoping it would be for a spot in the playoffs, but that doesn't seem likely at this point. Not the way this game seems to be shaping up.
Fritz buddy, I hope you get that wish for the Bears game but being a realist I figure we’re gonna lose either Sunday night or the game you’re gonna be at.
I’m sure we’re keeping the faith together.
NewsBruin
12-29-2023, 04:30 PM
ESPN has Nick Mullens as 6'0" His wife must be travel-sized.
Joemailman
12-29-2023, 06:27 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCiumSAW8AAkwt4?format=jpg&name=medium
KYPack
12-29-2023, 08:41 PM
And fuck you APB
All pretending around to be hip and hop and you don’t know shit
In life
In love
In football
Out
You got it QB.
Tank is a lying creep and his racial posts are annoying and creepy.
How being a racist is cool in this day and age is beyond me.
Fosco33
12-30-2023, 11:00 AM
Stokes ruled out for the game
Anti-Polar Bear
12-30-2023, 01:06 PM
Stokes ruled out for the game
Packers coaches and management are a lot like the incompetent managers at the burger joint that enslaves me. HR hires a bunch of clueless newbies. Management then treats vested workers like shit, forcing them to quit. A month later, 70% of the new hires have quit. Management cries about shit not getting done.
Somewhere J-Alex is smiling. Bench your best corner cos he went out for the stupid coin toss then watch your other first round corner pull his fragile hammy once again.
Teamcheez1
12-30-2023, 03:07 PM
We may have to use our first 5 picks on defensive backs next year.
bobblehead
12-30-2023, 03:53 PM
Just think if we had a real pro like Rasul Douglas.
Fritz
12-30-2023, 05:49 PM
We may have to use our first 5 picks on defensive backs next year.
Yeah, that position went into the toilet in the space of a single season, didn’t it?
Stokes is sure starting to reek of “bust.” Alexander went from one of the premier corners in the NFL to a head case. The one true professional of the group got traded. What was the strongest unit on the team is now a patchwork of seventh-rounders and knockarounds.
Vincenzo
12-30-2023, 08:22 PM
Yeah, that position went into the toilet in the space of a single season, didn’t it?
Stokes is sure starting to reek of “bust.” Alexander went from one of the premier corners in the NFL to a head case. The one true professional of the group got traded. What was the strongest unit on the team is now a patchwork of seventh-rounders and knockarounds.
That’s scary.
KYPack
12-30-2023, 11:39 PM
Yeah, that position went into the toilet in the space of a single season, didn’t it?
Stokes is sure starting to reek of “bust.” Alexander went from one of the premier corners in the NFL to a head case. The one true professional of the group got traded. What was the strongest unit on the team is now a patchwork of seventh-rounders and knockarounds.
Really man. Was Stokes ever that good?
I remember he was OK as a rook, but not special.
Then he gets hurt a couple times and now we're waiting for him to pop.
We probably have to keep him around.
Like you guys say, we can't come up with all new DB's next year.
call_me_ishmael
12-30-2023, 11:50 PM
He had next level speed and likely lost some of it due to being injured the psat two years. I have serious doubts that he'll return to being a good player. They need to reboot the secondary next year. I suspect they will. In the spirit of ETT, I would hope they have 3 picks in the top 45 and they are a tackle and two defensive backs.
bobblehead
12-31-2023, 12:56 AM
Really man. Was Stokes ever that good?
I remember he was OK as a rook, but not special.
Then he gets hurt a couple times and now we're waiting for him to pop.
We probably have to keep him around.
Like you guys say, we can't come up with all new DB's next year.
As a rookie Stokes was one of the top CBs in the league for "seperation allowed". Its not the only stat that matters, but it shows that he wasn't allowing QBs to hit wide open targets.
The more I think about it the more I hate Barry. Stokes, Alexander and Savage were all trending up before we hired Barry. Then all 3 went to absolute shit.
Fritz
12-31-2023, 08:32 AM
Really man. Was Stokes ever that good?
I remember he was OK as a rook, but not special.
Then he gets hurt a couple times and now we're waiting for him to pop.
We probably have to keep him around.
Like you guys say, we can't come up with all new DB's next year.
At this point, the only thing that's likely to "pop" is his hamstring.
As I recall, Stokes had excellent straight-line speed but was seen as having stiff hips, and was a decent tackler and fairly physical for a corner.
But the guy's suffered that Lisfranc injury and now the hammy stuff, so I wonder if he's lost his greatest asset - that speed.
Sounds like he might turn into Kevin King at this point.
run pMc
01-02-2024, 11:02 AM
ESPN has Nick Mullens as 6'0" His wife must be travel-sized.
I like to think of her as fun-sized.
run pMc
01-02-2024, 11:10 AM
On a more serious note, I think Gute drafts 2 safeties and a CB. The secondary will look a lot different next year.
Nixon is ok at best as a slot corner, I think he's a little too stiff and isn't always assignment sure.
I have concerns about Jaire's headspace, and Stokes health.
You can't really play either in the slot much, but if they are both hurt you have to explore other options.
I don't think Stokes is a bad player, but like many I worry about his speed and rust after these injuries. A year ago he was in a wheelchair for crying out loud.
Jaire's shoulder issues are a worry as well. He's on the smaller side for CBs that GB likes and smaller guys just struggle to stay healthy over the long term.
Trading Rasul hurt them this season but I don't think it was a bad move for the long term.
As for Watson, he's a tightly wound dude and needs to work this off season on injury prevention. It sounds like he's already tried a lot of things, he'll get it figured out. Clay Matthews was like him with the hamstrings, he started both to figure it out and slow down. I suspect Watson does the same.
He's only in his 2nd season, he's not a bust. Next year will be very important for him though, Reed, Wicks, Musgrave, and Kraft are going to continue to be major parts of this offense and if Watson doesn't get on board he'll be left behind.
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