Studs and Duds, Packers Epic Wildcard Beatdown of Jerrah's Bois:

[George Cumby]

Stud:

MLF.

Have at it.

[red]

dud

the kicker, another missed XP

where was gary?

the rest of the team is just littered with studs

[Fosco33]

Dud. Media calling for blowout. But got the team wrong.

Jones was mvp - made loves job easy

[red]

duds

loves hair. he needs to cut that shit. i know there aren't a lot of options with black guy hair, but the "sideshow bob" is just the worst

[MadtownPacker]

duds

loves hair. he needs to cut that shit. i know there aren't a lot of options with black guy hair, but the "sideshow bob" is just the worst
Fuck you!! That’s Sideshow Love style mofo cuz he is a real killer!!.

[Tony Oday]

duds

loves hair. he needs to cut that shit. i know there aren't a lot of options with black guy hair, but the "sideshow bob" is just the worst

It helps prevent concussions, probably.

[King Friday]

Offense was mostly flawless, outside of not giving Clifford the chance to throw. I’m fine putting in the backup QB, but let him play or don’t put him in at all.

Defense was okay. The pressure cooker that Jerruh has created is what cooked the Dallas offense, not anything our defense did. Dak had time in the pocket, but was unable to take advantage of it. That is rare for an NFL QB and should be all Dallas needs to confirm they will not be a title contender with Dak under center.

Still a great win on the road, but the challenge will be far greater next week. The SF offense is extremely balanced, like ours. They won’t melt in the face of the pressure. We are going to have to get a lot more pressure on the QB or Purdy will torch us.

[George Cumby]

dud

the kicker, another missed XP

where was gary?

the rest of the team is just littered with studs

He's been really quiet the last few games, it's concerning.

[Sparkey]

duds

loves hair. he needs to cut that shit. i know there aren't a lot of options with black guy hair, but the "sideshow bob" is just the worst
You know you don't have to sound like a fuckin red necked biggot . Who the fuck cares what his hair looks like. Sounds like something Skin basket would say.

[Sparkey]

Jordan Love 1st QB in NFL history to have a perfect pass rating in his first playoff game.

Romeo Doubs looked like a #1.

[smuggler]

Jones was mvp - made loves job easy

I actually think it was the opposite. All those gash passes to Doubs forced the Cowpokes to let off the run D and play the pass.


Jordan Love 1st QB in NFL history to have a perfect pass rating in his first playoff game.

Romeo Doubs looked like a #1.

Sadly this is no longer true, since the incompletion to Kraft at the end dropped him under 158.3

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Jordan Love 1st QB in NFL history to have a perfect pass rating in his first playoff game.

Romeo Doubs looked like a #1.

Not quite accurate. Love’s last incompletion in garage time caused the rating to go down. Imperfection!

But who gives a fuck? I’ll take the Dub.

[MadtownPacker]

You know you don't have to sound like a fuckin red necked biggot . Who the fuck cares what his hair looks like. Sounds like something Skin basket would say.While ignoring his incredible night! Real cocksucker move even for red.

[smuggler]

Love's hair does look pretty bad, but I do not care and wouldn't want any bad ju-ju from making a change.

Besides, it looks better than dreads, rows, or braids.

[Teamcheez1]

Duds: Skinbasket

[George Cumby]

Duds: Skinbasket

Oddly, nary a peep.

[RashanGary]

Stud, Aaron Jones for eclipsing 104 and winning me my bet.

[Freak Out]

Ha ha ha! This fucking place. Both JJ and JJ from the Cowboys get duds for not stroking out on live television.

[MadScientist]

Studs: First team offense and defense
Duds: second teamers - they almost let Dallas back in the game.

[George Cumby]

^ LOL

[RashanGary]

OL were studs. Dallas has a lot of firepower up front and they were mostly handled.

[Joemailman]

Stud: Tex. 4-0 in Game Day Threads in must win situation.

[QBME]

Not quite accurate. Love’s last incompletion in garage time caused the rating to go down. Imperfection!

But who gives a fuck? I’ll take the Dub.

And the horse you rode in on.

[texaspackerbacker]

LaFleur's offense and Love's execution - Studs for tearing up the best Defense in the league.

The O Line, especially the interior, for opening holes for Jones to gash the D and giving Love just enough time to do his thing.

Joe Barry for fooling the Cowboys (and most of us in here) by playing a two deep shell instead of his usual thing of pressure that almost but not quite gets to the QB. Most of the D players stepped up to Stud status, making the D work, including several who usually get a lot of criticism (Savage, Quay, Nixon, V and B allentine, and Jaire) The whole rotation of both the D Line and Edge rushers played like Studs most of the time anyway. I include Gary in that even though he didn't get as much pressure himself as usual. The attention he got opened it up for others. Unlike some in here said, it was good D, not merely Cowboy badness that made it happen.

The kicker was about the only Dud.

[call_me_ishmael]

Jordan had some amazing throws today but also a few stinkers that the receivers bailed him out on. How are they always so open and where was this during the Rodgers years? Man I love that Jordan will just sling it to the open guy. That aspect aside, man does he ever look like Rodgers out there. The quick flick of the wrist, the football, etc. It is eery but I guess not unexpected.

The D seemed to consistently get _a lot_ of pressure against the best OL in the league. Did they finally realize the DL is loaded with first round picks and to get after it?

[MadtownPacker]

Winner - Matt “Pepe” LaFleur got the girl today for sure. HIS team came ready to rock and roll and pulled off the big upset of the wildcard weekend. He never looked lost and made all the right calls. His finest moment so far.

Great postgame speech too!
https://www.packers.com/video/thats-my-quarterback-packers-celebrate-win-over-cowboys-wild-card-2023

[MadtownPacker]

Stud: Tex. 4-0 in Game Day Threads in must win situation.
Stud on Viagra - He keeps this up and we might have to give him the key to the city.

I know it must have been hard for you today Tex but you did the right thing wishing the cowboys to lose.

[Freak Out]

Winner - Matt “Pepe” LaFleur got the girl today for sure. HIS team came ready to rock and roll and pulled off the big upset of the wildcard weekend. He never looked lost and made all the right calls. His finest moment so far.

Great postgame speech too!
https://www.packers.com/video/thats-my-quarterback-packers-celebrate-win-over-cowboys-wild-card-2023

That vid is awesome.

[King Friday]

Hilarious that even the team is razzing Musgrave on his inability to stay on his feet!

[Fritz]

Ha ha ha! This fucking place. Both JJ and JJ from the Cowboys get duds for not stroking out on live television.

A big, big brown dud for Fox’s halftime crew, not asking Jimmy Johnson what he thought about the beatdown-in-progress of his beloved Cowboys after Jimmy’s blustery pretend pre-game speech to the Cowboys.

And an equally stenchy sour dud to the game announcers, who talked for three quarters about what the Cowboys needed to do, as if it was their job to figure out how to get the Cowboys back in the game. Nary a mention of what that other team - what was their name again? - was up to. Not until the fourth quarter.

Studliness to Romeo Doubs, who just caught every single thing.

Boy, the Cowboys were just off, the whole game. They looked dazed from the get-go. Not ready to play. You gotta put that on their head coach, don’t you? They sleepwalked through the whole thing.

Studliness oozing from the Packer offensive line.

[MadtownPacker]

Hilarious that even the team is razzing Musgrave on his inability to stay on his feet!
That was my favorite part! The entire sideline must have been like us saying “don’t fall, don’t fall” when he turned to run.

[Joemailman]

He's been really quiet the last few games, it's concerning.

Gary only played 41% of snaps. That was the least of all the edge rushers. Not on the injury list. Not sure what's going on.

Stud: Daniel Whelan. 3 punts inside the 10. One preceded Jaire's INT.

[MadtownPacker]

Gary only played 41% of snaps. That was the least of all the edge rushers. Not on the injury list. Not sure what's going on.

Stud: Daniel Whelan. 3 punts inside the 10. One preceded Jaire's INT.
Whelan even got a shout out in the postgame speech. FG kicker has us wincing but punts are great.

[Joemailman]

Zach Kruse
@zachkruse2

Wow, the city of Dallas renamed an entire airport after Jordan Love

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GD4_zB8XAAEVADi?format=jpg&name=small

[MadtownPacker]

https://a57.foxsports.com/static-media.fox.com/fmc/prod/sports/32892989232/1280/720/nhgm34w4hnsc05ii.jpg

[Patler]

Boy, the Cowboys were just off, the whole game. They looked dazed from the get-go. Not ready to play. You gotta put that on their head coach, don’t you? They sleepwalked through the whole thing.


Kinda the same as the Packers looked for too many playoff games under McCarthy. It's one thing losing a hard-fought playoff game, but quite another being completely outplayed, never really being in it. As good as he is all season, McCarthy's playoff performances are perplexing.

[run pMc]

Gary might be hitting fatigue after pushing so hard to get back on the field. I suspect they are trying to keep him fresh as well.
Losing Enagbare isn't great but they have Brenton Cox and if McDuffie can play they might even try Quay or some other options to rush Purdy.

Stud for GB: first half Dak. 0 passing yards in the first qtr, and 2 Ints including telegraphing a pick six for Savage. Dak is a good QB but he occassionally has stretches where he'll look almost unplayable. 2nd half Dak was better and GB played softer but that was too much of a deficit to overcome with GB's offense rolling.

Jordan Love, Aaron Jones, Doubs, and the OL were studs.
This team must lead the league in personal foul penalties. They get at least one a week.

[texaspackerbacker]

Stud on Viagra - He keeps this up and we might have to give him the key to the city.

I know it must have been hard for you today Tex but you did the right thing wishing the cowboys to lose.

Make no mistake about it, I 100% wanted the Packers to beat my second favorite team, and I was maybe 75 or 80% sure that they would. Ditto that for the Niners next week. I've been saying all season that the Packers are a loaded team. It took most of the season for that to show up, but now it's happening.

I'm a great believer in luck - luck with injuries, luck with draft picks and UDFAs, players in general developing to be good, etc. And I say only slightly non-seriously, luck constitutes God willing the Packers (and to a lesser extent the Cowboys) to remain near the top of the NFL and occasionally win it all. Deniers and negativists, feel free to come up with a counter-theory for the past 3 decades hahahaha.

And I don't take Stud credit for the win streak either - I just was lucky to be the thread starter at the right time. I do, however, take credit for predicting it when a lot of negativists, anti-homers, and other dumbasses were predicting all kinds of doom and gloom.

[Vincenzo]

Make no mistake about it, I 100% wanted the Packers to beat my second favorite team, and I was maybe 75 or 80% sure that they would. Ditto that for the Niners next week. I've been saying all season that the Packers are a loaded team. It took most of the season for that to show up, but now it's happening.

I'm a great believer in luck - luck with injuries, luck with draft picks and UDFAs, players in general developing to be good, etc. And I say only slightly non-seriously, luck constitutes God willing the Packers (and to a lesser extent the Cowboys) to remain near the top of the NFL and occasionally win it all. Deniers and negativists, feel free to come up with a counter-theory for the past 3 decades hahahaha.

And I don't take Stud credit for the win streak either - I just was lucky to be the thread starter at the right time. I do, however, take credit for predicting it when a lot of negativists, anti-homers, and other dumbasses were predicting all kinds of doom and gloom.
Not much worse then an “I toad ya so.”
Perhaps you should consider a victory lap.

At the end of October the Packers were 2-5 and any realist could see we were like the Titanic sinking in the middle of the ocean. If anyone was the blind homer at that point, it was you. Others saw it for was it was, which as a bleak situation.
And do me a favour as a fellow Packer fan for over 40 years now, just spare the blow-hard shit.

[texaspackerbacker]

Gary might be hitting fatigue after pushing so hard to get back on the field. I suspect they are trying to keep him fresh as well.
Losing Enagbare isn't great but they have Brenton Cox and if McDuffie can play they might even try Quay or some other options to rush Purdy.

Stud for GB: first half Dak. 0 passing yards in the first qtr, and 2 Ints including telegraphing a pick six for Savage. Dak is a good QB but he occassionally has stretches where he'll look almost unplayable. 2nd half Dak was better and GB played softer but that was too much of a deficit to overcome with GB's offense rolling.

Jordan Love, Aaron Jones, Doubs, and the OL were studs.
This team must lead the league in personal foul penalties. They get at least one a week.

Gary was less effective than usual because he got more attention than sometimes. That enabled Van Ness, P. Smith, and the interior D Linemen to put pressure on the QB.

What exactly is Enagbare's injury? As I recall, Brenton Cox looked pretty good in preseason. We got him as a UDFA because of his past character issues. I would be hopeful he could be a decent factor. Otherwise, I doubt they would have kept him around as well as letting Justin Hollins go.

The one and only personal foul I saw called was the horse collar by Quay - which replay showed was a bogus call. I don't honestly think the Packers have had more personal fouls than most teams.

[RashanGary]

https://x.com/hawkeyesnfl/status/1746690401853906980?s=46&t=nQImf8h3Oxzq2_jOx_kBGw

That’s against a probowl LT. That’s special for a 275lb guy.

[texaspackerbacker]

Not much worse then an “I toad ya so.”
Perhaps you should consider a victory lap.

At the end of October the Packers were 2-5 and any realist could see we were like the Titanic sinking in the middle of the ocean. If anyone was the blind homer at that point, it was you. Others saw it for was it was, which as a bleak situation.
And do me a favour as a fellow Packer fan for over 40 years now, just spare the blow-hard shit.

hahahahaha - It's well over sixty years for me.

I'll stop the "I told ya so" when the whiners and negativists change their tune, which ain't likely.

[Vincenzo]

hahahahaha - It's well over sixty years for me.

I'll stop the "I told ya so" when the whiners and negativists change their tune, which ain't likely.
You took that better than I thought you would, Tex!
Good man. I gotta admit to you that my respect for you is starting to grow.

[sharpe1027]

hahahahaha - It's well over sixty years for me.

I'll stop the "I told ya so" when the whiners and negativists change their tune, which ain't likely.

Who needs to change their tune specifically and where's the posts to backup why you think they were as bad as all that? There's only a few posters so it shouldn't be too hard for you.

[KYPack]

Found out about a stud today from the twitterverse...

When the Pack went in the tunnel, ST coach Bisaccia yelled up into the stands "How bout them Cowboys"? to a bunch of miserable Boyz fans and the laughter of the team. You go coach..
Two guys who have had a very uneven season, Myers and Runyan played spectacularly. It looked like they were not up to par during the year, but got back on track in solid fashion in this ballgame.

Joe Barry We did not play a two shell that much. We played Cloud, more on that later. It's a 3 deep coverage with two safties and a corner, That form of 3 high is called SKY. 2 corners and a safety high is called Cloud. somebody clip this out and send it to Greg Olsen who called our Sky set Cloud, so he'll know what he's talking about in the future. Barry played the 3 high perfectly and deserved a STUD rating after a very beleaguered season. The big example of this coverage was Savages pick. He rotated down exactly right from the 3 high and got a pick 6.

Goddamn this was a great win!!!!

[Sparkey]

https://x.com/hawkeyesnfl/status/1746690401853906980?s=46&t=nQImf8h3Oxzq2_jOx_kBGw

That’s against a probowl LT. That’s special for a 275lb guy.

While watching that sack develop, I noticed that Enagbare basically engaged the RT then dropped off the rush to fill the passing lane for any slant. Made Dak pull down the ball and look left, which gave Van Ness that additional time to get Prescott wrapped. The D had a great game plan and executed it beautifully.

[Joemailman]

Found out about a stud today from the twitterverse...

When the Pack went in the tunnel, ST coach Bisaccia yelled up into the stands "How bout them Cowboys"? to a bunch of miserable Boyz fans and the laughter of the team. You go coach..
Two guys who have had a very uneven season, Myers and Runyan played spectacularly. It looked like they were not up to par during the year, but got back on track in solid fashion in this ballgame.

Joe Barry We did not play a two shell that much. We played Cloud, more on that later. It's a 3 deep coverage with two safties and a corner, That form of 3 high is called SKY. 2 corners and a safety high is called Cloud. somebody clip this out and send it to Greg Olsen who called our Sky set Cloud, so he'll know what he's talking about in the future. Barry played the 3 high perfectly and deserved a STUD rating after a very beleaguered season. The big example of this coverage was Savages pick. He rotated down exactly right from the 3 high and got a pick 6.

Goddamn this was a great win!!!!

Here's the link for those who haven't seen it. https://twitter.com/lmhelmbrecht/status/1746699309213458744

[RashanGary]

2nd year, 7th round pick Rasheed Walker in pass pro against one of the best pass rushing units in the NFL

Rasheed Walker vs. the Cowboys

21 pass-blocking snaps
0 sacks allowed
0 pressures allowed

Per PFF

[RashanGary]

Rasheed is a year younger than Tom 23 vs 24


He’s still got a year of real physical development on top of refining his craft. The arrow is pointing top 10 and probably not 10 for left tackles.

[smuggler]

I would not say Myers and Runyan played spectacularly, but definitely performed above expectation, and (Runyan at least) above average.

Doubs night was one of the most efficient in NFL history.


Take a moment to celebrate the night of Romeo Doubs, who produced 151 receiving yards while running only 16 total routes. That’s almost 10 yards per route run. An elite number at the wide receiver position over the course of a full season is around 2.0 yards per route run. Doubs averaged 9.44 on Sunday. He caught all six targets and averaged 25.2 yards per catch. The performance is one of the most efficient by a wide receiver in modern NFL playoff history — Doubs is just the 10th player to produce 150 or more receiving yards on six or fewer catches in the postseason.

Source: Packers PFF grades: Best, worst players from NFC Wild Card Round vs. Cowboys (https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/packers-pff-grades-best-worst-players-from-nfc-wild-card-round-vs-cowboys/)

[red]

2nd year, 7th round pick Rasheed Walker in pass pro against one of the best pass rushing units in the NFL

Rasheed Walker vs. the Cowboys

21 pass-blocking snaps
0 sacks allowed
0 pressures allowed

Per PFF

they showed a some stats, maybe during last weeks game, maybe the week before, that showed some really jaw dropping numbers from walker this year

if his name was bakhtiari he probably makes the pro bowl this year

[RashanGary]

they showed a some stats, maybe during last weeks game, maybe the week before, that showed some really jaw dropping numbers from walker this year

if his name was bakhtiari he probably makes the pro bowl this year

Tucker Kraft gets most improved from week 1 to week 18

But Walker is next. The whole OL was a little shaky to start. And Walker was right at the head of that class. But the way he’s played the second half, absolutely, he’s knocking on probowl level LT play. And it’s highly doubtful that this is his prime. Next year should be the start of his best years.

I don’t think we need a tackle. A depth piece for sure, but I don’t think a first round stud tackle makes as big of a difference as other positions would.

[Fritz]

Red! You nailed it. His name is now “Walktiari.”

Now let’s all wait for APB to weigh in on KY’s informative post and call something a “pistol” formation or scheme.

[RashanGary]

Found out about a stud today from the twitterverse...

When the Pack went in the tunnel, ST coach Bisaccia yelled up into the stands "How bout them Cowboys"? to a bunch of miserable Boyz fans and the laughter of the team. You go coach..
Two guys who have had a very uneven season, Myers and Runyan played spectacularly. It looked like they were not up to par during the year, but got back on track in solid fashion in this ballgame.

Joe Barry We did not play a two shell that much. We played Cloud, more on that later. It's a 3 deep coverage with two safties and a corner, That form of 3 high is called SKY. 2 corners and a safety high is called Cloud. somebody clip this out and send it to Greg Olsen who called our Sky set Cloud, so he'll know what he's talking about in the future. Barry played the 3 high perfectly and deserved a STUD rating after a very beleaguered season. The big example of this coverage was Savages pick. He rotated down exactly right from the 3 high and got a pick 6.

Goddamn this was a great win!!!!


https://x.com/poolpartygaming/status/1746668554391376137?s=46&t=nQImf8h3Oxzq2_jOx_kBGw


It looks like they were playing some sort of off man cover 1 scheme. I think savage was coming down to cover #3 and he had an opportunity to do something better. It looks like quay was matched on #20. Everyone else was obvious.

[RashanGary]

https://x.com/poolpartygaming/status/1746668554391376137?s=46&t=nQImf8h3Oxzq2_jOx_kBGw


It looks like they were playing some sort of off man cover 1 scheme. I think savage was coming down to cover #3 and he had an opportunity to do something better. It looks like quay was matched on #20. Everyone else was obvious.

Yeah, 59 blitzes. That was a cover 1 off man look. I can’t imagine what Dak was thinking??

I went back and looked at the TV copy. When the slot shifted, Campbell moved over with him. Then the snaps came pretty quick and Campbell was blitzing. I think Dak expected man defense with two safeties. In that case, Cambell would have been occupied with the slot and the 2 receiver had leverage to get that slant.

Savage did a great job disguising the cover 1. Campbell shifting indicated man. Dak thought he knew what he was looking at and thought his guy could win with that leverage and no one could be there because Campbell would be occupied on the other slant.

It was a good disguise and caught them off guard. Having Campbell motion with the slot was really confusing.

[RashanGary]

Dak has wide eyes at that time in the game and they were pushing tempo down 3 scores at the end of the half.

That was a great call by Barry. With Savage back, and jaire, and everyone else having a little more experience, Barry can do a few more things. He’s a good DC, just needed a little competency in the back so he could mix it up a little more and drift from base installs.

[RashanGary]

The only way that play could have been better is if Campbell had masked his blitz better. Tom Brady would have sniffed that out. But if Campbell can have a little discipline, that’s a call that can surprise most quarterbacks. For Brady, that would typically be a sack or a lucky off schedule because he’d have seen Campbell blitzing and known something was off.

[ThunderDan]

Dak has wide eyes at that time in the game and they were pushing tempo down 3 scores at the end of the half.

That was a great call by Barry. With Savage back, and jaire, and everyone else having a little more experience, Barry can do a few more things. He’s a good DC, just needed a little competency in the back so he could mix it up a little more and drift from base installs.
Sorry but this is rubbish.. So when it goes bad it's all on the players but if it goes well it is Barry.

You don't know what the call was. Maybe Savage freelanced and jumped the route.

[RashanGary]

Sorry but this is rubbish.. So when it goes bad it's all on the players but if it goes well it is Barry.

You don't know what the call was. Maybe Savage freelanced and jumped the route.

Look at the Twitter link. It’s pretty damn obvious what the play was based on everyone playing cover 1 off man defense. Quay is the only one with a mildly questionable path and I think he’s baiting Dak to go to the flat.

[QBME]

Ignorance removed by admin

That’s all you got?
Disappointing.

[ThunderDan]

Look at the Twitter link. It’s pretty damn obvious what the play was based on everyone playing cover 1 off man defense. Quay is the only one with a mildly questionable path and I think he’s baiting Dak to go to the flat.

Still doesn't address the main point.

Bad play, players fault. Good play, great call by Barry.

[RashanGary]

Still doesn't address the main point.

Bad play, players fault. Good play, great call by Barry.

Having starters Jaire and Savage back means less blown coverages, more good plays, and the ability for Barry to call more complex defense.

So yes, playing worse players is the players. Barry is good.
Playing better players is the players. Barry is good.

The consistent is Barry being good. The variable is the bad players playing bad and the good playing good.

[RashanGary]

If Barry being bad was the problem and the constant than playing better players wouldn’t be making a difference.

[RashanGary]

I don’t make the rules, Thunderdan. I’m but a messenger. Like Jesus of Mohammed.

[RashanGary]

Maybe you guys should really make a difference. Go to games, follow him around, call him a piece of shit. Or easier, I know people have been harassing his teenage daughter on social media. You could do that.

Or you could admit that you don’t know who’s to blame and stop blaming the coach for 3rd string players and undrafted rookie mistakes.

That’s a lot to ask, I know.


Honestly, I don’t know if Barry is good anymore than you know he’s bad. But what I do know for certain, it’s that nobody here knows if Barry is the main problem or a problem at all. That much I know beyond doubt.

And I know they were playing cover 1 man with a blitzer and not cover 3 zone on the savage pick 6. That’s without a doubt.

[RashanGary]

Specifically they lined up in a cover 2 look. Campbell motioning with the slot receiver indicated it was cover 2 man. Post snap the packers blitzed Campbell and brought Savage down to cover the slot receiver. Dak wasn’t ready for it. Savage was coming down hill with one eye on his coverage responsibility and the other eye on the QB. He was drifting toward his guy when he saw Dak staring down the 2 receiver running a mirrored slant behind his slot responsibility. He saw an opportunity and took it. Pick 6.

That’s what happened. Etch it in stone.

[ThunderDan]

I don’t make the rules, Thunderdan. I’m but a messenger. Like Jesus of Mohammed.

What message are you bringing? What rules are we talking about?

[ThunderDan]

If Barry being bad was the problem and the constant than playing better players wouldn’t be making a difference.

That isn’t true and you know it. Better players usually bring better results no matter who is coaching them.

[RashanGary]

https://x.com/PoolPartyGaming/status/1746668554391376137?s=20

Look at this, Thunderdan and then watch the tv copy. What this dynamic dot diagram doesn’t show is that Campbell followed the slot over to his position in the three bunch on the left side. It’s all slants out of that bunch. Campbell has inside leverage on the slot receiver, who all indications are he’s covering because of the motion. Nixon is lined up with outside leverage on CeeDee. Maybe it’s a choice route, maybe it was called all slants, but whether CeeDee chose the route or it was called, it was the right decision based on the look because it’s your best player and he had the leverage you want for the route.

It was a knuckle ball from Barry. That is not a core defense concept. It’s like a pitcher who has a fast ball and a curve ball, but twice a game he has a knuckle ball he can kind of throw. This is a surprise look. Dak was already wide eyed and pressing from getting his butt kicked for a half of football. It was the perfect time to throw a surprise pitch when he’s already been brushed back by a 104 heater that almost hit him in the chin a couple times.

It was a really important down for Dallas. 3rd and 2. Sav coming down hill both protected against the run and was a surprise in the passing game. Dak was getting harassed all half. They needed a first down. It was a good time to take a risk. The odds of Dallas looking for a shot there was slim based on the situation and the way the game was playing. There wasn’t as much risk getting beat over the top with the risky cover 1 call.

Barry dialed up a haymaker and landed it right on fat mikes chin. Tip your hat.

[ThunderDan]

Maybe you guys should really make a difference. Go to games, follow him around, call him a piece of shit. Or easier, I know people have been harassing his teenage daughter on social media. You could do that.

Or you could admit that you don’t know who’s to blame and stop blaming the coach for 3rd string players and undrafted rookie mistakes.

That’s a lot to ask, I know.

Why would I follow Joe Barry around or follow anyone on social media? That sounds like something you used to do. Sorry, I don’t get that worked up about a game that I try to find the people in person.

I am a fan and I am allowed to my opinion. I look at stats. I look at Barry’s historical record and the 0-16 Lions and the rest of his career. I have more than happy to give Barry props for yesterday’s game and I will point out when we get shredded by Car and the Giants.

[smuggler]

Are we really advocating for keeping Barry? I don't think I can get on board. We let go Pettine after disappointment from the defense. Pettine was actually decent. Barry sucks and, I expect, there are more disappointments in store until his contract runs out.

[RashanGary]

That isn’t true and you know it. Better players usually bring better results no matter who is coaching them.

And this has never been the position of the fire Joe Barry cult. Not once had anyone said the talent in the back end is lacking, especially in the middle parts of the season, due to injury and starting the year with guys who are not ready to play in the NFL. It’s always been that the team is extremely talented and Barry’s ineptitude is destroying our chances so he needs to be fired.

That’s why I point out that the players make a difference in the game. I point out the secondary struggles at the player level and why a coach can’t do much for a guy who can’t play well no matter what.

So when his secondary is particularly decimated he’s trying to cover that up. Maybe he has the line rushing the passer more aggressively to help the pass defense, but he’s giving up runs then. Maybe the offense sputters and the defense ends up on the field a lot because they gave up too many runs. Maybe you realize that’s not working so you go back to disciplined rushes but then bad quarterbacks chew you up. Maybe then you get your better secondary players back and everything works better. Maybe the offense starts clicking and now you’re steam rolling.

Maybe it’s the players. It’s not far fetched.

[KYPack]

https://x.com/poolpartygaming/status/1746668554391376137?s=46&t=nQImf8h3Oxzq2_jOx_kBGw


It looks like they were playing some sort of off man cover 1 scheme. I think savage was coming down to cover #3 and he had an opportunity to do something better. It looks like quay was matched on #20. Everyone else was obvious.

Nope Justin, but at least you are learning the coverages and rotation.

Let's go to the tape https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnyMQX0951E

This ain't no off man cover one. The deep guys are two safeties and a corner. This rotation is set up to give plenty of cover on Lamb. Savage is reading his keys and then plays his read on Lamb's route. Does he ever read that shit right, he jumps Lamb's route for the pick 6. In this cover the one safety goes deep to be the deepest of the deep, the other guy is Savage and the 3rd guy is the off corner covering that wide out and not part of this play. That's a sky coverage. Cloud is similar, Two corner and a safety rotate deep. It's used far less than in days of yore, corners are used more in different rotations.

I see people yell about this all the time, but they just don't understand the strategy of zone coverage. ALL zones evolve into man (coaches call it iso) eventually. That's the point of them. To rotate guys into position to have leveraged coverage or to be in the right spot to give help at the right spot and the right time. Most Nfl coverages incorporate principles of both zone and man coverages in various combinations. There are any number of rules in the various covers as to who does what and who goes where. I make it a hobby to pick up on these coverages and the rules and changes in em. The way I figure it, I'm probably 10 years behind the average young NFL assistant. Making me only half a moron.

[QBME]

Nope Justin, but at least you are learning the coverages and rotation.

Let's go to the tape https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnyMQX0951E

This ain't no off man cover one. The deep guys are two safeties and a corner. This rotation is set up to give plenty of cover on Lamb. Savage is reading his keys and then plays his read on Lamb's route. Does he ever read that shit right, he jumps Lamb's route for the pick 6. In this cover the one safety goes deep to be the deepest of the deep, the other guy is Savage and the 3rd guy is the off corner covering that wide out and not part of this play. That's a sky coverage. Cloud is similar, Two corner and a safety rotate deep. It's used far less than in days of yore, corners are used more in different rotations.

I see people yell about this all the time, but they just don't understand the strategy of zone coverage. ALL zones evolve into man (coaches call it iso) eventually. That's the point of them. To rotate guys into position to have leveraged coverage or to be in the right spot to give help at the right spot and the right time. Most Nfl coverages incorporate principles of both zone and man coverages in various combinations. There are any number of rules in the various covers as to who does what and who goes where. I make it a hobby to pick up on these coverages and the rules and changes in em. The way I figure it, I'm probably 10 years behind the average young NFL assistant. Making me only half a moron.

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I shall wait until the “shutdown corner” (who shut down Charles whats-his-name) weighs in on this matter. The basics and strategies of the game must be learned and respected!!
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[RashanGary]

Ky, this shows it better

https://twitter.com/PoolPartyGaming/status/1746668554391376137/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1746668554391376137&currentTweetUser=PoolPartyGaming


I suppose you can make a case that jaire and Valentine were playing their deep cover 3 zones by the way they’re keeping everything in front of them. That would leave only three defenders covering the hooks and flats. And Quays path is a little suspect if I’m trying to say it’s off man coverage. He seems to be playing zone more than he’s playing the running back.

But check out this clip and tell me what you’re seeing from the corners. What is their zone?

[MadtownPacker]

Nice of you to take the young muchacho loco under your wing KY. Very much like a Roman elder statesman would take an apprentice in. RashanGary can learn a lot from you. I just did, awesome post and now I understand what it was I was seeing. Thanks man.

[MadtownPacker]

Note - It’s one thing for us to talk shit to each other about each other. It is another thing to involve non-posters especially family in our battles. One of the few boundaries here. Being a flat out troll doesn’t help either.

[RashanGary]

https://x.com/PoolPartyGaming/status/1746668554391376137?s=20

KY, do check the above link out because it shows alignment and post snap action so much clearer than the TV copy. There is absolutely no way to see the play using that. The all 11 is better, but what I linked here is the clearest way to see what happened.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Cover_3.svg/1024px-Cover_3.svg.png

KY, in cover 3, correct me if I’m wrong, but the above image is how it would have been played with the safety rotation. The only difference is we had Campbell blitzing so savage would have been playing both hooks.

Nixon as nickle was a linebacker type. He was covering the curl/flat on the offenses left. Quay was the other linebacker covering the curl flat on the offenses right. Savage was crashing down to cover both hooks. That seems like the only reasonable way to define how 3 guys were covering the 5 shallow zones in a cover 3 look.


Once you blitzed Cambell, you’re leaving everyone else in a really tough spot to cover the shallow part of the field. I don’t know why you’d call zone here. You have a nickle. In man defense you have corners and a safety (savage) on receivers with quay on the back. It’s so much simpler to be in soft man and tell your linebacker types that they can break on inside routes because they have a safety over the top than to play an undermanned zone and leave all sorts of uncertainty on how to cover the curl flats.

Whether it’s man or zone you’re short handed and have to play soft or it’s really easy to get killed. I just don’t see any advantage to making this a zone coverage. I suppose there’s no way to know if the corners were playing deep 1/3s or man because no one threatened the outside 1/3s, but it looks a lot easier to execute soft man defense here.

Whichever way it was called, savage crashing helped the run defense be aggressive and was an element of surprise in the passing game. I was sure it was man, but trying to see it the way you’re describing, I guess there’s no way to know. I don’t know how you could know which one it was any more than I do??

[KYPack]

Ky, this shows it better

https://twitter.com/PoolPartyGaming/status/1746668554391376137/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1746668554391376137&currentTweetUser=PoolPartyGaming


I suppose you can make a case that jaire and Valentine were playing their deep cover 3 zones by the way they’re keeping everything in front of them. That would leave only three defenders covering the hooks and flats. And Quays path is a little suspect if I’m trying to say it’s off man coverage. He seems to be playing zone more than he’s playing the running back.

But check out this clip and tell me what you’re seeing from the corners. What is their zone?

Firstly, piss on those little bouncing dot depictions of the routes and the covers. Watch the tape, pal.

Quay isn't in a off man cover at all. He is in a zone cover that he never had to execute bc Savage made the great pick. What you don't know is was Quay's cover match or pattern. In pattern, you cover the area the receiver enters into (Like in a zone d in basketball) In a match cover, you pick up the man in iso and cover his ass in man to man fashion. Match coverage is also called "Lock" which is probably a better description of the assignment. You lock onto the receiver that comes into your area.

The corners are in a boundry cover in the zone. Jaire does a trail cover. I dunno if these guys are this sophisticated, but they baited our friend Dak to throw late middle and Darnell snapped up on it like a pastrami on rye.

[RashanGary]

It’s gps of where the players went. That’s their exact paths. It’s not someone animating or estimating. And regardless, if you’re going to use tape, use the all 11 because you can see the field.

[KYPack]

It’s gps of where the players went. That’s their exact paths. It’s not someone animating or estimating. And regardless, if you’re going to use tape, use the all 11 because you can see the field.


This is the all 22.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiwRlZplt5s

The play we are discussing is at 8:29

This is a zone coverage. Zone blitz actually. They had Campbell follow Lambs motion (Z MO) and then peel off on a blitz. This caused Prescott to try and hit Lamb on the hot route. The Packers had Savage up in the zone cover and he picked him clean. A great bait job on the Cowboys by the Pack D.

[RashanGary]

This is the all 22.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiwRlZplt5s

The play we are discussing is at 8:29

This is a zone coverage. Zone blitz actually. They had Campbell follow Lambs motion (Z MO) and then peel off on a blitz. This caused Prescott to try and hit Lamb on the hot route. The Packers had Savage up in the zone cover and he picked him clean. A great bait job on the Cowboys by the Pack D.

I tip my hat, sir. Maybe I’ll get there on day :lol:

[KYPack]

Absolutely you will. Keep watching tape and learning the tricks of the trade. Ain't no crime to get fooled when they disguise coverages on ya. On that play Zak got fooled, why shouldn't you?

Just remember, seeing two guys in ISO on a coverage doesn't mean it's man, but sometimes it does, ha.
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We're both just fans trying to figure out what our team is doing

[RashanGary]

Absolutely you will. Keep watching tape and learning the tricks of the trade. Ain't no crime to get fooled when they disguise coverages on ya. On that play Zak got fooled, why shouldn't you?

Just remember, seeing two guys in ISO on a coverage doesn't mean it's man, but sometimes it does, ha.
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We're both just fans trying to figure out what our team is doing

I see what I missed I think. It looked like Quay was playing the curl/flat zones and was doing a zone drop, kind of drifting toward the inside route coming his way. I think if he had his eyes square on the back it would have indicated man. The rest of the defense there was no way of knowing, but quay kind of gave away zone (at least on that half of the field)

And yeah, I see how those corners could have been playing the deep 1/3rd even though they didn’t drop. No one threatened them deep so they just kept a safe distance in case someone did start going deep.

I’m pretty sure that’s what happened and what I missed on, anyway.

[Fritz]

You’re really trying and learning. Gotta give you credit for that.

For me, it’s easier and more fun at this moment in my life to just blame Joe Barry. Hell , this morning I found out I had diarrhea, probably due to what I ate last night. But all I could think was “Ah, fuckin’ Joe Barely. This is his fault.”

It felt good. I might start blaming him retroactively for my sordid past.

[bobblehead]

And this has never been the position of the fire Joe Barry cult. Not once had anyone said the talent in the back end is lacking, especially in the middle parts of the season, due to injury and starting the year with guys who are not ready to play in the NFL. It’s always been that the team is extremely talented and Barry’s ineptitude is destroying our chances so he needs to be fired.

That’s why I point out that the players make a difference in the game. I point out the secondary struggles at the player level and why a coach can’t do much for a guy who can’t play well no matter what.

So when his secondary is particularly decimated he’s trying to cover that up. Maybe he has the line rushing the passer more aggressively to help the pass defense, but he’s giving up runs then. Maybe the offense sputters and the defense ends up on the field a lot because they gave up too many runs. Maybe you realize that’s not working so you go back to disciplined rushes but then bad quarterbacks chew you up. Maybe then you get your better secondary players back and everything works better. Maybe the offense starts clicking and now you’re steam rolling.

Maybe it’s the players. It’s not far fetched.

Thats simply not true. Most of us pointed out the problems and injuries in the secondary, but we all concluded that its on the COACHES to get players in positions to succeed. They need to take the extra time to make sure guys know their assignments. Barry failed in that miserably at times.

As I said somewhere he has been MUCH better in the playoffs since he has been with the team. That implies to me that he puts more time into his job when its "important". I want a hungry young buck, or a natural (Rex Ryan) so we play great D all the time.

[bobblehead]

This is the all 22.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiwRlZplt5s

The play we are discussing is at 8:29

This is a zone coverage. Zone blitz actually. They had Campbell follow Lambs motion (Z MO) and then peel off on a blitz. This caused Prescott to try and hit Lamb on the hot route. The Packers had Savage up in the zone cover and he picked him clean. A great bait job on the Cowboys by the Pack D.

And that was very good coaching. No doubt we had scouted something similar and knew where Dak was going with the hot read. As such we schemed Savage into a POSITION TO SUCCEED.