Joe Barry Out!

[Joemailman]

om Pelissero
@TomPelissero

A change in Green Bay: Joe Barry will not return as the #Packers’ defensive coordinator, per sources.

[Joemailman]

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[QBME]

om Pelissero
@TomPelissero

A change in Green Bay: Joe Barry will not return as the #Packers’ defensive coordinator, per sources.

Just heard it on the radio in Chicago.
He gone.

[BrokenArrow]

Thanks you Jesus! (And MLF, I guess.) Now I can finally exhale.

[Fritz]

om Pelissero
@TomPelissero

A change in Green Bay: Joe Barry will not return as the #Packers’ defensive coordinator, per sources.

I'll believe it when it's officially announced.

LeFleur just finished telling the world he was not even on to those evaluations yet, and was going to take his time.

But I hope it's true.

Then an overhaul of the inside linebacker position, and a complete blowing up of the safety position are both in order.

[Joemailman]

Coming to you live from downtown Green Bay:

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[BrokenArrow]

LeFleur just finished telling the world he was not even on to those evaluations yet, and was going to take his time.


Maybe he's resigning.

[ThunderDan]

Excellent news.

[Joemailman]

Maybe he's resigning.

I think MLF just wanted a chance to talk with his coaches before making an announcement. Don't want them hearing about it first on twitter.

[Fosco33]

Wow

[call_me_ishmael]

Wow, that is great news to start the day!! Who are the candidates folks? I am hoping it someone hella aggressive that the players love to play for. Ideally 45 years old, handsome in a daring kind of way, and someone the players would run through a brick wall for.

[King Friday]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas!

[call_me_ishmael]

It seems like MILF has really grown into the leader of the team over the past few years, but took another huge step this year. Matt came out of the Rodgers fiasco a different man. It seems like his stamp is all over the team now, and he is just so much more confident in general.

[Joemailman]

Wow, that is great news to start the day!! Who are the candidates folks? I am hoping it someone hella aggressive that the players love to play for. Ideally 45 years old, handsome in a daring kind of way, and someone the players would run through a brick wall for.

Put me down for Chris Hewitt. Love the way Baltimore plays defense. That is, if Hewitt isn't getting Baltimore DC position if MacDonald gets HC position.

[QBME]

Put me down for Chris Hewitt. Love the way Baltimore plays defense. That is, if Hewitt isn't getting Baltimore DC position if MacDonald gets HC position.

Just a pipe dream, but Ron Rivera would be awesome on a few different levels.

[Joemailman]

Tom Silverstein
@TomSilverstein

Can confirm the Joe Barry firing. Also, it was not a housecleaning. He hasn’t fired the entire defensive staff. Should shake out soon if anyone else has been let go.

[BrokenArrow]

It seems like MILF has really grown into the leader of the team over the past few years, but took another huge step this year. Matt came out of the Rodgers fiasco a different man. It seems like his stamp is all over the team now, and he is just so much more confident in general.

Rodgers held this team back in ways we will probably never fully understand.

[Upnorth]

I heard that belichek guy in new England was ok on d.

Maybe we should see....

[Fosco33]

Jim Leonhard
Chris Harris
Al Harris
Jesse Minter
Chris Hewitt
Mike Zimmer
Mike Vrabel
Ejiro Evero
Wink Martindale

[BrokenArrow]

And just like that, losing to the Niners suddenly became worth it.

[Joemailman]

Jim Leonhard
Chris Harris
Al Harris
Jesse Minter
Chris Hewitt
Mike Zimmer
Mike Vrabel
Ejiro Evero
Wink Martindale

I don't think Evero is available for a lateral move. He is getting HC interviews, and if he doesn't get a HC job, I expect Carolina will keep him.

I think Martindale's stock has dropped a bit. Blitz-heavy scheme that gave up big plays and did not stop the run. But if MLF wants someone totally unlike Barry, he would fit the bill.

Not sure Vrabel is looking for a DC position.

Like all the other names.

[Joemailman]

Packers have made it official:


Joe Barry will not return as defensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers. Head Coach Matt LaFleur made the announcement Wednesday.

Barry has worked as an NFL coach for 22 seasons, including the last three years as the defensive coordinator for the Packers.

"We want to thank Joe for his commitment and contributions to our success the past three seasons," said LaFleur. "These decisions are extremely difficult and Joe is one of the best men I've had the opportunity to work with in this league."

[BrokenArrow]

League officially on notice we are no longer screwing around.

[Joemailman]

League officially on notice we are no longer screwing around.

Tommy Devito contemplating retirement.

[Bretsky]

Say it with me Tex

JIMMY
JIMMY
JIMMY

[Fosco33]

Say it with me Tex

JIMMY
JIMMY
JIMMY

I’ll 2nd that!

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm happy about this within limits. The limit is that LaFleur supposedly likes Barry's style of D and will go for somebody who uses a similar scheme. That probably means no "Jimmy" or the guy I chose in the poll as my choice, Aranda. It also would tend to rule out a lot of the others on the list - Martindale, Zimmer, etc..

[George Cumby]

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[George Cumby]

League officially on notice we are no longer screwing around.

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[run pMc]

huh. they actually did it.

now, the next step is really important: don't screw up the DC hire.

As for Barry, poor dude had people razzing him and his family. That's... crossing a line. It's a frigging game. From what I heard he's a great guy and works well with everyone in the building. Someone losing their job is not exactly something I would celebrate under all but the most unusual circumstances.

That said, I think this was the right move.

I wish him luck in the future. Unfortunate that he couldn't change his tune here in GB, but I'm not surprised.

[Joemailman]

huh. they actually did it.

now, the next step is really important: don't screw up the DC hire.

As for Barry, poor dude had people razzing him and his family. That's... crossing a line. It's a frigging game. From what I heard he's a great guy and works well with everyone in the building. Someone losing their job is not exactly something I would celebrate under all but the most unusual circumstances.

That said, I think this was the right move.

I wish him luck in the future. Unfortunate that he couldn't change his tune here in GB, but I'm not surprised.

I read Carlson had to take his instagram account private as well.

[bobblehead]

Rodgers held this team back in ways we will probably never fully understand.

Like winning back to back MVPs?? That held us WAY back.

[bobblehead]

1)Jim Leonhard
Chris Harris
Al Harris
Jesse Minter
Chris Hewitt
Mike Zimmer
Mike Vrabel
2) Ejiro Evero
Wink Martindale

3) Rex Ryan

Thats my top 3. Offer Jim the job right now and if he refuses again, wait a beat on Evero to see if he is available after they hire a new HC. If he isn't available call Sexy Rexy. After that I could go in a lot of directions, but those 3 would excite me.

Its a good week. First Griffin is removed from a job he clearly can't handle, now this. Hopefully we make a more inspiring hire than Doc Rivers. We have the advantage of it being the offseason so we should be able to.

[Arctic Fox]

Very happy Barry is out. We need a DC that can use our multiple #1 defensive draft picks play to their full potential.

[Teamcheez1]

I understand Jim Leonhard was a hot commodity several years ago, but what has he done since then to improve his defensive coaching skill set in the NFL?

[RashanGary]

You were right, I was wrong!!!!!

[Joemailman]

I understand Jim Leonhard was a hot commodity several years ago, but what has he done since then to improve his defensive coaching skill set in the NFL?

My guess is Leonhard is at the top of MLF's list, or not on the list at all.

[Sparkey]

Fangio and Dolphins have parted after 1 year ?

[MadtownPacker]

Like winning back to back MVPs?? That held us WAY back.
It probably did if you consider it. Those MVPs were from individual stats. Stays he protected at the cost of not running the plays called or playing favorites on offense. The only goal is to win trophies not awards.

[bobblehead]

Just got a text that fangio is out in Miami. He instantly becomes a top 2 or 3 contender

[Joemailman]

Just got a text that fangio is out in Miami. He instantly becomes a top 2 or 3 contender

He is expected to sign with Philadelphia.

[RashanGary]

League officially on notice we are no longer screwing around.

Lafleur having his own QB and the full reigns of the offense seems to have rejuvenated him. He sounded fired up about the guys getting after the offseason and already dialed in on next seasons run.

His piss is hot. If he’s taking out the axe and chopping down his friendship trees, he means business.

I don’t think it’s just Lafleur. Gute has also been drug through the mud and seems fired up to make his mark. Early signs say his last two drafts have been all timers. Two top 5 tackles in the 4th and 7th rounds, and a total of 14 players who look like very possible starting level guys. It’s just unheard of. And his QB hit.

They’re not fucking around at 1265 right now. They’re nearing the apex of everything they’ve set out to do, and nothing is going to get in their way of finishing this climb.

I don’t know if the league is on notice, but they should be. The Packers leadership is fired the fuck up and bringing everything they have right now.

[texaspackerbacker]

All that sounds good, but it might also be that LaFleur wanted to keep Barry and he got told, lose him or go with him.

[run pMc]

All that sounds good, but it might also be that LaFleur wanted to keep Barry and he got told, lose him or go with him.

Only person who can do that is Murphy, and I don't think Murphy wants to meddle like that. Firing MLF would have been a big headline and a bad move, he called some good games in the latter part of the season and kept a young locker room together when they were in danger of circling the drain.
I doubt they would play that kind of brinksmanship.

I do wonder, based on Gute's comments after the draft, if there was some kind of discussion b/t Murphy, Gute and MLF about the defense last Spring along the lines of - we have a young offense, we have a lot of high draft picks on defense; if the defense can't hold the fort and win some games Barry has to go. It's fair to say by the 3/4 point of the season the offense was carrying the defense, not the other way around. Expectations for the defense were higher this year, and I don't think they performed significantly better.... getting a warning and still not meeting the expectations can be grounds for termination in a cutthroat field like coaching.

[bobblehead]

It probably did if you consider it. Those MVPs were from individual stats. Stays he protected at the cost of not running the plays called or playing favorites on offense. The only goal is to win trophies not awards.

The one season we had the 2nd most efficient offense in the history of the NFL. That isn't an "individual stat". And it doesn't set a team back.

[bobblehead]

I understand Jim Leonhard was a hot commodity several years ago, but what has he done since then to improve his defensive coaching skill set in the NFL?

His coaching skill set was just fine. He played in the NFL for a decade and was described as a coach on the field. He ran an NFL defense at Wisconsin. What "improvement" does he need?

[red]

holy crap, i missed this because i've been in bed trying to die this whole week

great news

[Joemailman]

holy crap, i missed this because i've been in bed trying to die this whole week

great news

.

[Teamcheez1]

His coaching skill set was just fine. He played in the NFL for a decade and was described as a coach on the field. He ran an NFL defense at Wisconsin. What "improvement" does he need?

Point well taken, but he has no real experience coaching in the NFL. Is he even interested in the pro game? I don’t recall him interviewing for any recent position, or his name coming up.

[CaptainKickass]

Point well taken, but he has no real experience coaching in the NFL. Is he even interested in the pro game? I don’t recall him interviewing for any recent position, or his name coming up.

Jim Leonhard was offered the DC job by LaFleur and if I recall was LaFleur's first/top choice for the DC position.

Alas, Jim turned the offer down and that's why we ended up with Joe Barry.


Reference:
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/06/jim-leonhard-explains-why-he-turned-down-packers-coordinator-offer/

[Teamcheez1]

Barry is already interviewing with the Eagles and Bears for position coach openings.

[Joemailman]

There is also a report that the Bears are interviewing Barry for DC position.

[King Friday]

Can’t wait to play against him 2 times a year. Go for it Bears!

[bobblehead]

Jim Leonhard was offered the DC job by LaFleur and if I recall was LaFleur's first/top choice for the DC position.

Alas, Jim turned the offer down and that's why we ended up with Joe Barry.


Reference:
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/06/jim-leonhard-explains-why-he-turned-down-packers-coordinator-offer/

All the reasons he had to turn it down no longer apply. He isn't with Madison any longer. Hopefully MiLF doesn't hold a stupid grudge. Staley could be a Rooney rule interview (does that apply to coordinators?). Just get Jimmy in the building please.

[Joemailman]

All the reasons he had to turn it down no longer apply. He isn't with Madison any longer. Hopefully MiLF doesn't hold a stupid grudge. Staley could be a Rooney rule interview (does that apply to coordinators?). Just get Jimmy in the building please.

Leonhard interviewed for the position and then turned it down. He went public with the fact he was offered the job. In doing so, he forced MLF to offer the job to the guy everybody knew was his second choice. If MLF carries a grudge, it would be understandable. I wouldn't blame him one bit if doesn't interview Leonhard.

By the way, how does Staley satisfy the Rooney rule?

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[bobblehead]

Leonhard interviewed for the position and then turned it down. He went public with the fact he was offered the job. In doing so, he forced MLF to offer the job to the guy everybody knew was his second choice. If MLF carries a grudge, it would be understandable. I wouldn't blame him one bit if doesn't interview Leonhard.

By the way, how does Staley satisfy the Rooney rule?

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Oops. Was thinking of Bowles who I was hoping would get fired. Maybe Staley identifies as black like the over tanned head coach of Miami.

[RashanGary]

Oops. Was thinking of Bowles who I was hoping would get fired. Maybe Staley identifies as black like the over tanned head coach of Miami.

McDaniels identifies as black :lol:

Mahommes isn’t black. And that’s the cut off. Love really isn’t black, although sometimes he uses a fake black accent when he’s with the guys.

[Joemailman]

Can’t wait to play against him 2 times a year. Go for it Bears!

Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero

The #Bears hired Eric Washington as their defensive coordinator, per source.

[RashanGary]

Some guy from packaday podcast says sources indicate Christian Parker was offered the job. He’s in town and should be named coordinator.

Anonymous sources season is upon us.

[Bretsky]

Some guy from packaday podcast says sources indicate Christian Parker was offered the job. He’s in town and should be named coordinator.

Anonymous sources season is upon us.


Underwhelming hire, if it happens, and VERY surprised Flower didn't bring in others for interviews and would just hire a J.A.G. on paper without running through a full process

[RashanGary]

Underwhelming hire, if it happens, and VERY surprised Flower didn't bring in others for interviews and would just hire a J.A.G. on paper without running through a full process

Don’t you go clenching your butthole over an aggressive risk!!! Swing for the fences with a young alpha!

[Bretsky]

Don’t you go clenching your butthole over an aggressive risk!!! Swing for the fences with a young alpha!


Stop Massaging Flower's nutsack and embrace some logic

What has this guy accomplished/credentiaisl that validate the risk ?

[RashanGary]

Stop Massaging Flower's nutsack and embrace some logic

What has this guy accomplished/credentiaisl that validate the risk ?


He’s young and will relate well to the players. He’s a hard worker and a “star” in the profession according to those who worked with him. Youth lends itself to openmindedness and creativity. The quick mind of a younger person can be sharper calling plays. There are endless benefits to a young coordinator if you have the right man. And this guy has, “hardest worker, smartest guy in the room” alpha vibes. It’s so much better than a retread!

[red]

god damn he's so young

just 3 years ago he was a on field "quality control" guy for us

does a guy whos only been a d-backs coach in college for a few years and a few more years in the pros no how to set up a whole D and call plays and all that good stuff?

that would be my big question

[Bretsky]

He’s young and will relate well to the players. He’s a hard worker and a “star” in the profession according to those who worked with him. Youth lends itself to openmindedness and creativity. The quick mind of a younger person can be sharper calling plays. There are endless benefits to a young coordinator if you have the right man. And this guy has, “hardest worker, smartest guy in the room” alpha vibes. It’s so much better than a retread!



Your description; you could tie that to about 50 candidates we decide to hire

[call_me_ishmael]

I sincerely doubt that dude was offered the job already. We shall see.

[Bretsky]

honestly, I highly doubt it as well

It would be baffling to offer a guy like that, who really has no suitors, without doing more due dilligence and interviews.

[Joemailman]

I think it's fair to say that the report that Parker has been offered the job was likely an overreaction to something the blogger had heard. None of the Packers beat writers or other bloggers have verified it. That's not to say Parker isn't a favorite to get the job. I suspect MLF has had his fill of "experienced defensive coordinators" and is looking for someone with some new ideas.

[bobblehead]

Parker basically IS MiLF not so long ago. He toiled around with the Shannahans for a while and got a reputation as a pretty sharp kid. Became OC and then HC. Parker has toiled around the Fangio tree for a minute and has a reputation as a pretty sharp kid. I don't have a super strong opinion on him as I know so little. It could be a homerun hire. I had no idea who Evero was 3 years ago either.

[run pMc]

Nobody has been hired. There have been interviews and that's it.

[call_me_ishmael]

Parker basically IS MiLF not so long ago. He toiled around with the Shannahans for a while and got a reputation as a pretty sharp kid. Became OC and then HC. Parker has toiled around the Fangio tree for a minute and has a reputation as a pretty sharp kid. I don't have a super strong opinion on him as I know so little. It could be a homerun hire. I had no idea who Evero was 3 years ago either.

Yeah I guess if you frame it that way it's not that surprising. After all, this is only coordinator, not head coach. In a sense this is like going from QB coach to OC. Not uncommon or unexpected. I'm not saying this guy won't be great or aynthing like that, I have no clue! I would say that I would feel more comfortable with an unestablished young guy if they came up in an attacking like system like Baltimore where that is what they know and love. Culturally there is something that Baltimore is doing right that most other teams are not doing. I want to find a way to create that culture here - although I have no idea how.

[Bretsky]

Wide and Tausch are convinced MLF really wants somebody who he feels he can hand the defenstive keys too and not worry (unlike BarryBall)

This is part of why this hire would Suprise me. With that being said, I would be fine with the hire if they did their due diligence and intereviewed some well qualified guys as well (StaleyIMO doesn't count)

If you jump and hire this guy w/o talking to the others...to me...would be kinda crazy and irresponsible

[Fritz]

Hire Warby Parker now!

Or interview five more guys to make Bretsky happy, then hire Warby Parker.

New blood. New ideas. Energy. Relatability. Supposedly also very smart. Very adaptable - knows the Fangio stuff AND other kinds of defenses.

Get on board, Bretsky, cuz The Flower doesn't seem to be reaching out to Jim Leonhard.

[Bretsky]

Hire Warby Parker now!

Or interview five more guys to make Bretsky happy, then hire Warby Parker.

New blood. New ideas. Energy. Relatability. Supposedly also very smart. Very adaptable - knows the Fangio stuff AND other kinds of defenses.

Get on board, Bretsky, cuz The Flower doesn't seem to be reaching out to Jim Leonhard.



Just a pondering thought; Joe Barry on paper looked better a few years back than this guy :)

[Fritz]

Just a pondering thought; Joe Barry on paper looked better a few years back than this guy :)

How do figure that? Cuz he’d DC’d two teams to shit defenses?

[bobblehead]

Hire Warby Parker now!

Or interview five more guys to make Bretsky happy, then hire Warby Parker.

New blood. New ideas. Energy. Relatability. Supposedly also very smart. Very adaptable - knows the Fangio stuff AND other kinds of defenses.

Get on board, Bretsky, cuz The Flower doesn't seem to be reaching out to Jim Leonhard.

Maybe he is courting Leonhard in the background which is why he hasn't hired anyone yet. Or maybe he is pissed and has no interest. We just can't know. One thing that seems pretty clear, Jimmy doesn't want to stray far from home. He wanted the top job at Madison. Even with Illinois he hasn't strayed far. I think he would take it if MiLF called, but I am speculating (based on all the information I have gathered though).

[Fritz]

Just a pondering thought; Joe Barry on paper looked better a few years back than this guy :)

Wink Martindale was fired as the Giants’ DC; he seems to be attracting interest from other teams.

I don’t see anyone lining up to interview Joe Barely for a defensive coordinator position. Do you?

[run pMc]

Wink Martindale was fired as the Giants’ DC; he seems to be attracting interest from other teams.

I don’t see anyone lining up to interview Joe Barely for a defensive coordinator position. Do you?

He has/had an interview with the Bears for the DC spot.

[Fritz]

He has/had an interview with the Bears for the DC spot.

Interesting. I think Eberflus calls the defensive signals there.

I read an SI article claiming that Barry was a bad fit in Green Bay because he traditionally ran a Tampa 2 but The Flower wanted him to run something else, so it was a bad fit.

Or - does da Bears interviewing him prove my pretend point about Barry being so awful as a DC??