Official Fire Jeff Hafley Thread

[Joemailman]

Packers have the talent to have the best defense in the NFL. You think that's gonna happen? Fire him now!

[red]

bout fucking time

the news broke of his hiring like 45 minutes ago

[Joemailman]

bout fucking time

the news broke of his hiring like 45 minutes ago

I'm retired, man.

[red]

I'm retired, man.

lol

[MadScientist]

I was going to start this thread, but you beat me to it. I'll go on record, right from the start, as not liking this hire. MLF chose experience over results and teaching ability. This guy stunk at BC last year (worse than Barry before being hired by MLF). BC was worse against the pass than Barry's defense ever was against the run. I get that the Baltimore DB coach may well be the Baltimore DC now, but the Denver DB coach sounded good. And to top it off, we will have 3-4 personnel trying to run a 4-3. The defense will be a bigger problem next year than it was this year. They will need to have the next two drafts be near perfect and heavy on defense to make it work. Our only hope is Love and the receiving corps being like the StL Rams flying circus.

[RashanGary]

Gary and LVN are 4-3 ends more than they’re OLBs. Preston is an OLB. You can trust him in the curl/flat zone. But he can put his hand down. They’ll all bulk up to 280. Rashan in particular will benefit. Gary could go 300 if he wanted to.

[George Cumby]

Need a disparaging nick-name, stat.

[RashanGary]

Jeff Halfling

[RashanGary]

Halfwit

[RashanGary]

Well see how many times halfwit lines his corners 12 yards off on 3rd and 3

[Bretsky]

Packers have the talent to have the best defense in the NFL. You think that's gonna happen? Fire him now!

It was him or Flower's close buddy Staley

FLOWER likes FRIENDS

[call_me_ishmael]

I'm sure he likes folks who have worked with and can vouch for a guy's real world work, but I don't think they were pals. I think this one is very outside the box and kinda makes me think he went for the guy he thought would be best long term instead of a guy that he knew and trusted but maybe had a lower ceiling. This is the ultimate "I'm very comfortable in my job and can risk it a bit" pick.

Ultimately I have never heard of the guy and my initial impression was gross but in milf we trust. I guess I think that he is the position where he can sit back and be choosy and is comfortable and experienced enough to know that hiring a lower ceiling but trustworthy buddy was the wrong move.

[Joemailman]

It was him or Flower's close buddy Staley

FLOWER likes FRIENDS

Tom Silverstein pointed out that MLF and Hafley know each other, but not well. Hafley has coached with guys that MLF knows (Saleh, Shanahan, Mike LaFleur). And MLF never coached with Staley.

[call_me_ishmael]

Just call him Milf Joe. It feels good.

[MadtownPacker]

I’ll have to double check but this has to be the longest it took for this thread to get started. :lol:

[MadtownPacker]

It was him or Flower's close buddy Staley

FLOWER likes FRIENDS
Asshole, every job you ever got was probably a friend or family connection. :lol:

[Fritz]

Need a disparaging nick-name, stat.

That's easy: Jeff Half-assley.

[George Cumby]

That's easy: Jeff Half-assley.

Boom!

There it is.

[RashanGary]

Haha, fritz has it. I’ll start spreading it around Twitter to make sure it catches on.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Haha, fritz has it. I’ll start spreading it around Twitter to make sure it catches on.

If the D continues to suck, I am fine with Half-wit.

[Fritz]

First time he blitzes and it doesn't get home and the other team scores on a long TD pass, I'll be screaming for his head!

[Bretsky]

Asshole, every job you ever got was probably a friend or family connection. :lol:

I wish this to be true; but the only job my parents ever helped me with was one I took at age 15 as a dishwasher, and then cook at a restaurant :)

[Frozen Tundra]

I was going to start this thread, but you beat me to it. I'll go on record, right from the start, as not liking this hire. MLF chose experience over results and teaching ability. This guy stunk at BC last year (worse than Barry before being hired by MLF). BC was worse against the pass than Barry's defense ever was against the run. I get that the Baltimore DB coach may well be the Baltimore DC now, but the Denver DB coach sounded good. And to top it off, we will have 3-4 personnel trying to run a 4-3. The defense will be a bigger problem next year than it was this year. They will need to have the next two drafts be near perfect and heavy on defense to make it work. Our only hope is Love and the receiving corps being like the StL Rams flying circus.

I'm glad to see someone else who's not looking at Hafley through green and gold colored glasses. I won't make the dire predictions you are, because we just don't have any way of knowing how it's going to work out. But I totally agree that Hafley got a ton of criticism for his coaching at BC, and there was a growing dissatisfaction with him. Word in Beantown was that his job was in jeopardy after starting 1-3 this past season, but they turned it around and ran up a winning streak before collapsing again in the last 3rd of the season. There are a lot of people there who are delighted to get rid of him, and that's rarely a good sign.


This is all not to even mention: why does Green Bay want this guy? His defenses at BC were not exactly stellar. The Eagles could hardly generate any pass rush this year, despite having preseason all-ACC defensive end Donovan Ezeiruaku. The Eagles got blown out of the water multiple times this season, including a game against Louisville in which they gave up 42 points in the first half. His teams were constantly undisciplined and committed countless penalties. And he didn’t really develop any significant talent on the defensive side of the ball.


https://www.bcinterruption.com/2024/1/31/24057548/opinion-jeff-hafley-fired-himself-bc-boston-college-football-fans-should-be-happy-green-bay-packers

So.... the jury's out. Matt hire dhim, so we have to give him some time and space to do his job, but there isn't aything about this guy that strongly suggests he's someone who can come in and save a failing defense.

[australianpackerbacker]

Let me be early. The defense has the talent to allow this guy to succeed with the overall team we have and hes in perfect position for us to lose him to a head coaching hire in2-3 years and Love and Gute will have been mainly accountable.

[Frozen Tundra]

Let me be early. The defense has the talent to allow this guy to succeed with the overall team we have and hes in perfect position for us to lose him to a head coaching hire in2-3 years and Love and Gute will have been mainly accountable.

And that's another way of looking at it - every bit as valid.

One thing I find encouraging as I go over his history is that in his postings as defensive position coaches, and as the Ohio defensive coordinator, he produced great results and is well-spoken of. It looks like maybe head coach of an entire college program might have just been a bridge too far for him. If that's the case, then we may be fortunate in being the team where he settles back down into his natural level of abilities.

[australianpackerbacker]

Yeah you're right. What I loved about Mike McCarthy was his ability to have a decent pulse of the football team and manage the players and the responsibility of keeping everyone on the same page whilst still calling plays and being able to deal with rodgers-ball.. it's tough and it's mainly why belichick is out of work..

That's what I like about lafluer in the sense he's a younger sharper version of that model and the guy we just hired seems to gel with that type of philosophy.

[Frozen Tundra]

Another things is, with all this massive NIL wealth that's suddenly available to good college athletes, plus this "transfer portal" madness that he destroyed college football, it's extremely difficult for the coach anything short of a Top 25 team or so to have any real success anymore. I thonk a lpot of college head coaches from the "little sister" D1 universities are going to be trying to do what he did in the years to come - get back to a football league where football is the focus.

In fact, just as I was typing that, I remembered a couple of days ago when a friend of Hafley's was explaining why he though Hafley made the move, and I googled it.


“He wants to go coach football again in a league that is all about football,” a source told Thamel. “College coaching has become fundraising, NIL and recruiting your own team and transfers. There’s no time to coach football anymore.”

So there ya go. Maybe he sees the writing on the wall, and realizes college football is just going to be too difficult to successfully coach going forward.

[texaspackerbacker]

Regarding the NIL (why we're discussing it in here I don't know hahahaha), I suspect a lot of that sort of thing was going on under the table all along, especially with teams like Ohio State and Alabama and a few others. Making it legal maybe will sort of give others as much chance as the cheaters.

[australianpackerbacker]

Yeah I totally get what you're saying. Competition in college sucks but it's a product of capitalism and talent conglomeration to where other talent like itself can be found. College from my perspective of how I waste my time in life isn't worth my attention because the complexities of why it is the way it is revolves around concepts like education and history and so much more that the commitment nfl doesn't involve.

In saying that the person who wins the most this cycle is Deion prime time. Transfer came at a convenient time for the most hyped coach in college ball possibly ever.

Good that he has commitment to the league. All the pieces are in place from my perspective

[australianpackerbacker]

It only matters because the idea that players could make enough to tell the league to fuck off, potentially would. Mostly all decisions are business decisions

Quoting Tex, not working atm

[Frozen Tundra]

Regarding the NIL (why we're discussing it in here I don't know hahahaha)....

Sorry; thought the progression of the conversation was clear. We were speculating on why a college head coach making roughly $4,000,000 a year would quit his job to take a position of much lesser importance and authority that pays roughly 10% of that. And this is one of the circumstances that might factor into such a decision.

[SudsMcBucky]

I don't care so much about the NIL portion ruining college football. My BIGGEST worry with CFB is the seemingly unlimited transfer portal. THAT is what's killing the sport.

[ThunderDan]

I don't care so much about the NIL portion ruining college football. My BIGGEST worry with CFB is the seemingly unlimited transfer portal. THAT is what's killing the sport.

That is only accelerating with the NIL. Hey, if you transfer to college X we will give you $250,000 in NIL deals.

[Fritz]

It's always been crooked, college football. Does anyone really think Nebraska was a powerhouse in the early 70's without somehow getting kids to come out to the cornfields? Does anybody think Schembecler and Hayes recruited based on their sunny personalities? Or that the powerhouse Miami teams from, what, the 80's, were just nicely coached?

It's just that now it's more open and the players get to benefit. But the rich keep getting richer, as do the cheaters. My own alma mater no exception.

Thus I can see why someone like Haf-assley wanted out. All your time kowtowing to fifteen year old kids, having overnights with them, pretending you understand them and their unique problems, promising moms and dads you'll take care of junior like he was your own son, then going into the transfer portal to try to nab a kid from another program to replace the one you last year told mom and dad was a key piece of your puzzle.

[texaspackerbacker]

Yeah, Fritz, that's what I was saying above - throw Urban Meyer in there too. I disagree, though, with the people saying college football is being ruined. It's alive and well IMO, and better because the transfer portal and NIL are making more parity or at least spreading around the winning to some extent. All I really care about college-wise is the Badgers, and they seem to be benefiting from transfers and probably NIL too. Probably fans of a lot of other teams are thinking the same.

As for Hafley, I don't know why he jumped to the Packers, maybe all the non-football crap of a college head coaching job, maybe one of many other possible reasons. My guess would be that he wanted to move to the highest level - the NFL, and at some point, if he is any good, we'll lose him to a NFL head coaching job. Ironic that you're stuck with the guys who are mediocre but lose successes move on and up. I think that's what they call the "Peter Principle" - rising to a person's level of incompetence.

[run pMc]

That is only accelerating with the NIL. Hey, if you transfer to college X we will give you $250,000 in NIL deals.

Yeah NIL and transfer portal has turned CFB into a mess. Not necessarily the concept, but the implementation. It more of less allows legal tampering and benefits that got a lot of football players and programs pilloried in years past.

It's bad on coaches, they play all season to win, get a bowl game, and their best players sit out for the draft or transfer after the game to another U. They have to recruit nonstop, fund raise for NIL, and do a lot of other glad handing that is marginally football related at best.
There literally is no break for coaches in CFB anymore, and they are starting to look at the pros with envy, which is interesting considering the in-season hours NFL coaches put in. At least they get time off though.

Conference realignments (e.g., the death of the PAC12 and probably the ACC) are also doing no favors. Right now a lot of people think CFB is broken and a significant number of coaches want out.

[Joemailman]

Imagine if in the NFL there was no salary cap, no revenue sharing and all the players were signed to 1 year contracts. That's pretty much what you have in CFB.

[texaspackerbacker]

But who's getting out of college coaching? Maybe the longtime cheats? Saban? Harbaugh? Legalizing what they probably got away with arguably is a good thing. I probably would not put Hafley in that crowd, though.

[Jaire]

I actually really like the Hafley pick... Barry was losing the locker room. .... We'll see what Hafley can do. This is a very talented roster.

Love him picking up the safety from the Giants. That spot has been a head ache since Collins went down it seems....

no. I forgot we had Amos for a few years. Real excited about this guy's coaching philosophy to be honest.




..... Reminds me that I was big on the MLF pick a few years ago. Gives me the same hope, actually more even.

[sharpe1027]

This is the fire Hafley thread. Stop with all the positivity already.

[Fritz]

Well, now that they've signed McKinney, I expect the Packer defenses to give up no more than thirteen points per game. ONE TIME over that, and Half-Ass-ley's got to GO!!

[run pMc]

The first time the opposing team converts a third down in Week 1 we'll want him canned.
When Valentine whiffs on a press attempt and gives up a 25 yarder we'll be screaming for Hafley's head on a platter.

[Joemailman]

How does this guy still have a job?

[Bretsky]

How does this guy still have a job?

Did we get Bamboozled again ? This guy has never been a DC in his coaching career, and the team he left behind shed no tears when he jumped ship.

[red]

my first thought when we signed him was WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

then i started drinking the kool aide the packer talking heads were serving up

now i'm starting to think my initial reaction was the right one

[RashanGary]

Everyone here does realize that these threads are a joke in that we start them on the day the guy is hired, right? We’re not really supposed to have pitchforks out after 4 quarters of football.

[Fritz]

Everyone here does realize that these threads are a joke in that we start them on the day the guy is hired, right? We’re not really supposed to have pitchforks out after 4 quarters of football.

Absolutely. Come on, guys. You gotta wait at least until halftime of game two.

I thought there was always this undercurrent amongst the players that Joe Barely’s scheme was holding them back, and when they talked about the new system, it was if their talents would FINALLY be released, cuz they could “play fast.”

But they didn’t get much pressure on Hurts, and they still can’t tackle.

[ThunderDan]

Absolutely. Come on, guys. You gotta wait at least until halftime of game two.

I thought there was always this undercurrent amongst the players that Joe Barely’s scheme was holding them back, and when they talked about the new system, it was if their talents would FINALLY be released, cuz they could “play fast.”

But they didn’t get much pressure on Hurts, and they still can’t tackle.

They got to the ball carrier faster but still missed the tackle.

[Fritz]

They got to the ball carrier faster but still missed the tackle.

This is part of what’s so maddening about Quay Walker. He’s fast and has a nose for the ball but he also makes bonehead plays where he’s out of position or doesn’t drop into coverage well.

[ThunderDan]

This is part of what’s so maddening about Quay Walker. He’s fast and has a nose for the ball but he also makes bonehead plays where he’s out of position or doesn’t drop into coverage well.

It is maddening watch him do that. The one TD run by Phil was a perfect example of that.

I don’t know for sure because I don’t know what the play call was. But it sure looked like he filled the wrong gap and left a gaping hole for Shaquan to run to pay dirt.

[bobblehead]

I blame Jaire Alexander.

[RashanGary]

Absolutely. Come on, guys. You gotta wait at least until halftime of game two.

I thought there was always this undercurrent amongst the players that Joe Barely’s scheme was holding them back, and when they talked about the new system, it was if their talents would FINALLY be released, cuz they could “play fast.”

But they didn’t get much pressure on Hurts, and they still can’t tackle.


I’ve had more interaction with Gen Z than I’d like. They’re always gonna blame someone else.

[red]

these threads aren't a complete joke, these are here to bitch about the defense and its never ending struggles

[Bretsky]

Everyone here does realize that these threads are a joke in that we start them on the day the guy is hired, right? We’re not really supposed to have pitchforks out after 4 quarters of football.


lol

Are you actuallly calling somebody out for overreacting ? hmmm

[Bretsky]

my first thought when we signed him was WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

then i started drinking the kool aide the packer talking heads were serving up

now i'm starting to think my initial reaction was the right one


SCARY but I was exactly the same as above.

I would have taken f'cking JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY over this guy as well as many others

Now all Training came I heard about how our defense dominated our offense. Now I'm back to wondering.

With that being said, PHILY is stacked on talent, and their Offense was much much better than our Defense. Then again, if we catch that pick instead of drop it, or don't get Fcked by the refs on that cheap holding call on our secondary, maybe we win the game

[Fritz]

I blame Jaire Alexander.

I' m coming around to your view of him. He's not the player he was, not after he got hurt tackling a couple years ago, and now I'm not so sure about even his coverage skills any more. He also acts a little like a whiny buffoon out there.

[Patler]

I' m coming around to your view of him. He's not the player he was, not after he got hurt tackling a couple years ago, and now I'm not so sure about even his coverage skills any more. He also acts a little like a whiny buffoon out there.

I have always been of a slightly different opinion, that he never really was the player he was made out to be. He had a career year at the right time, and it enticed the Packers to overpay significantly, and the impact of that contract gave him notoriety that he had not earned and has not lived up to. He is capable of great games, and has had quite a few, but something is lacking on consistency in his game,

[bobblehead]

I have always been of a slightly different opinion, that he never really was the player he was made out to be. He had a career year at the right time, and it enticed the Packers to overpay significantly, and the impact of that contract gave him notoriety that he had not earned and has not lived up to. He is capable of great games, and has had quite a few, but something is lacking on consistency in his game,

You forgot "but feels he so rightly deserves"

[Rastak]

I have always been of a slightly different opinion, that he never really was the player he was made out to be. He had a career year at the right time, and it enticed the Packers to overpay significantly, and the impact of that contract gave him notoriety that he had not earned and has not lived up to. He is capable of great games, and has had quite a few, but something is lacking on consistency in his game,

Did he really get "Notoriety"?



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no·to·ri·e·ty
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the state of being famous or well known for some bad quality or deed.
"the song has gained some notoriety in the press"

[red]

Did he really get "Notoriety"?



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"the song has gained some notoriety in the press"

running his mouth non stop and prancing around the field after every play like he's gods gift to football?

[MadtownPacker]

Have never seen what the Jaire fuss was about. He is just a highlight reel player. He is not a grinder or heart of the defense type. One of the players that should have been replaced.

[Patler]

Did he really get "Notoriety"?



From M-W
"Notoriety
1: the quality or state of being notorious"

"Notorious
: - generally known and talked of, e.g.
'iron is a notorious conductor of heat'"


So, in answer to your question, - "Yes!" :)

[Fritz]

It doesn't seem to matter who the defensive coordinator is; the Packers just never seem to tackle very well.

Conversely, it doesn't ever seem to matter who's coaching the Bears, they seem to be able to tackle consistently.

I think the heat is on Half-Assley already. You got no time for "they're still learning the system" after shoveling us loads and loads about how this system is simpler so the players can "play fast." They need to play hard and fast - oh, and not look like a clown show when it comes to tackling.

If they make the talented-but-wildly-erratic Anthony Richardson look like an All Pro in Green Bay, there's gonna be an awful, awful lot of booing raining down from the stands.

[bobblehead]

Fritz we have had a generation of OC/QB coaches as Head coaches. In likelihood they don't want their precious talent hurt during practices and camps. We need a practice squad of guys willing to be tackled in practice I think. That first season MiLF ran a more intense camp. Shorter more physical practices. I bet Dan Campbell allows contact in practice. It wouldn't shock me if he hides Goffs red vest.

Edit: Let me see if McKinney regresses as a tackler as the season progresses. That would lend credence to my theory (yes, its just a theory. I have no clue why we can't tackle.)

[Tony Oday]

I will hold my criticisms of the Defensive Tackling until they are on a real NFL surface.

[sharpe1027]

Is our tackling really that much worse than other teams?

Our offensive players make the other team miss every game. Are we biased when it happens the other way around?

[Joemailman]

Is our tackling really that much worse than other teams?

Our offensive players make the other team miss every game. Are we biased when it happens the other way around?

According to Pro Football Reference, missed tackles ranged from 63 (Cowboys) to 131 (Panthers). The Packers were about in the middle with 101. Those rough and tough Lions were pretty near the bottom with 124.

[Fritz]

According to Pro Football Reference, missed tackles ranged from 63 (Cowboys) to 131 (Panthers). The Packers were about in the middle with 101. Those rough and tough Lions were pretty near the bottom with 124.

Oh, I don't know about that, Joe. On the three plays I watched of the Loins last night, they made good, hard tackles right away on all three plays. Therefore the Loins tackle well. Statistics, shmatistics.

[MadtownPacker]

Oh, I don't know about that, Joe. On the three plays I watched of the Loins last night, they made good, hard tackles right away on all three plays. Therefore the Loins tackle well. Statistics, shmatistics.
Damn, Tex was right about you being a lions fan!!

[run pMc]

Bad tackling on the pro level is usually considered the player's fault, not the DC's. The CBA has so many limits on practice you can't really teach/coach tackling fundamentals a lot.
You can improve at tackling, some players are just good (or bad) at it. Swapping McKinney for Savage should result in an improvement. Devonte Wyatt and Keisean Nixon have high missed tackle percentages. If GB is in the middle, I'm not surprised.

And yes, I assumed this thread was created as a joke and was playing along. Being a DC basically makes you a whipping boy with how the rules have emphasized the passing game and more scoring. Almost every fanbase complains about their DC, especially after a loss.

[Jaire]

Jaire has struggled against A.J. Brown types though even that has been a few years. He also was clearly not happy with Barry and not being used correctly. And Brown is underrated imo. not worried about Jaire especially if he's not falling down every other play on the Sao Paulo soccer sod.

Also, not worried about the defense. It's basically a preseason game on a slip and slide with a very young roster. I saw a lot I liked. They know they have a lot to clean up too. And Philly imo is front runner in the NFC (though Detroit looked really good last night).

[Fritz]

Damn, Tex was right about you being a lions fan!!

https://cdn.drawception.com/drawings/8aV2laa81y.png

[bobblehead]

According to Pro Football Reference, missed tackles ranged from 63 (Cowboys) to 131 (Panthers). The Packers were about in the middle with 101. Those rough and tough Lions were pretty near the bottom with 124.

Depends on defining "missed". We hit guys and fail to bring them down. The Lions fly at you 100mph and make guys juke which sets them up to be knocked down by the next heat seeking missile. Once you hit a guy you have to being him down. I stand by my assertion that savage was the most inappropriately named S ever.

[Fritz]

Any way you cut it, the defense really needs to step it up against the Colts.

I also read a disconcerting article on ACME about Lukas Van Ness - that he's still only a one-trick pony, that he's not developing moves and still relies on his bull rush going into year two, whereas by this point for Rashan Gary, he'd shown some development.

Though ol' Rashan needs to play better this week, too.

[bobblehead]

Going to seek out that article. Van Ness was REALLY raw coming in, but his power/burst is for real. A guy needs a counter move for sure. If he didn't spend 24/7 working on one all off season its disappointing.

[Bretsky]

Any way you cut it, the defense really needs to step it up against the Colts.

I also read a disconcerting article on ACME about Lukas Van Ness - that he's still only a one-trick pony, that he's not developing moves and still relies on his bull rush going into year two, whereas by this point for Rashan Gary, he'd shown some development.

Though ol' Rashan needs to play better this week, too.


HOnestly, who really did play well on defense ??? Our Safety stud was very good.

Walker continues to disappoint; I actually think he should probably play outside
Gary was Just a Guy
Everybody, was just non existant

[Joemailman]

HOnestly, who really did play well on defense ??? Our Safety stud was very good.

Walker continues to disappoint; I actually think he should probably play outside
Gary was Just a Guy
Everybody, was just non existant

The safeties were good. Cooper and Van Ness had some good plays on limited snaps. That's about it.

[bobblehead]

Bad tackling on the pro level is usually considered the player's fault, not the DC's. The CBA has so many limits on practice you can't really teach/coach tackling fundamentals a lot.
You can improve at tackling, some players are just good (or bad) at it. Swapping McKinney for Savage should result in an improvement. Devonte Wyatt and Keisean Nixon have high missed tackle percentages. If GB is in the middle, I'm not surprised.

And yes, I assumed this thread was created as a joke and was playing along. Being a DC basically makes you a whipping boy with how the rules have emphasized the passing game and more scoring. Almost every fanbase complains about their DC, especially after a loss.

I mean....ultimately it is the player missing the tackle. However its on coaches to prepare players and putting capable ones on the field. Nixon trying to return that last kickoff was on Bisaccia for not grabbing his facemask as he ran onto the field and saying "TAKE THE FUCKING KNEE". But Nixon has to be accountable for not knowing what to do as well. If fat mike were here Monty....er Nixon would be cut already.

[Fritz]

Nah. Montgomery, at the time he took that kickoff out and (I think?) fumbled it, was a guy without a position, really. Nixon's got his big contract and a major role in terms of not only kick returner but slot corner.

I do think though that it's on Bisaccia for not doing exactly as you said, though Nixon really, really ought to have known better. He's a vet.

[Joemailman]

Coaching staff should know by now that Nixon is overwhelmingly likely to take it out, and they seem to have allowed it. If the definitely didn't want him to take it out, he should have been told in no uncertain terms.

[Fritz]

Coaching staff should know by now that Nixon is overwhelmingly likely to take it out, and they seem to have allowed it. If the definitely didn't want him to take it out, he should have been told in no uncertain terms.

Like Bobble said, that's where Bisaccia, knowing that, needed to grab Nixon by the facemask and tell him in no uncertain terms that he was NOT to bring that kick out if it went into the endzone.

Then followed that with "And if you hadn't dropped that interception that went right through your fingers, ya moron....!"

[bobblehead]

Like Bobble said, that's where Bisaccia, knowing that, needed to grab Nixon by the facemask and tell him in no uncertain terms that he was NOT to bring that kick out if it went into the endzone.

Then followed that with "And if you hadn't dropped that interception that went right through your fingers, ya moron....!"

One of the best coaches I ever had was the guy who helped out my HS baseball team. He was the first base coach in games. He would walk over to you and say "Ok, one out so freeze on a liner. If its hit on the ground you need to get to 2nd and go in hard to break up the double play. Repeat it"

After a year of playing with him I would get to first and beat him to it "2 out, run hard on contact. Don't even look back at 2nd, I have to get to 3rd"

[Bretsky]

a few mis things per the Wilde....coming off some of the interviews with the coaches

Nixon had the greeen light to return it IF it was a kick right down the middle, not deep in end zone. He was NOT supposed to take it out in the scenario he did

The Defense was in the wrong alignment on a couple sets in the final drive based on the formation Phily came out in. MLF said that was his fault. He ALWAYS takes the sword for his coaches and players in the media. But that was on our new DC.

[Joemailman]

a few mis things per the Wilde....coming off some of the interviews with the coaches

Nixon had the greeen light to return it IF it was a kick right down the middle, not deep in end zone. He was NOT supposed to take it out in the scenario he did

The Defense was in the wrong alignment on a couple sets in the final drive based on the formation Phily came out in. MLF said that was his fault. He ALWAYS takes the sword for his coaches and players in the media. But that was on our new DC.

I was afraid there might be some growing pains like this on defense. Hope they figure it out quick.

[Fritz]

Supposedly it’s less complicated, so you’d think it’s just a matter of a couple games. I anticipate a better showing this week.

[red]

only gave up 10 points

although the colts helped us a lot by dropping everything

[Fritz]

Still, the defense played better. That's something.

[Joemailman]

Joe Barry would have had a shutout.

[red]

Still, the defense played better. That's something.

this is the first time in as long as i can remember where a scrambling QB didn't rip us a new one

[MadtownPacker]

Joe Barry would have had a shutout.
Third time I read this shit and I still chuckled. :lol:

[texaspackerbacker]

I wasn't as negative about Hafley's D in the Eagles game - for most of the game, they shut down Hurts' running, etc. and I'm not as positive as some maybe are today. There seemed to be a lot of openings on runs and open receivers that a better opposing QB might have taken advantage of.

In general, I like the 4-3 better and I tend to like Hafley's way of using it better than what Packer D Coordinators have done for a long time.

[Fritz]

I only saw highlights, but what I did see was not great. Taylor gashed them, and thank god Richardson’s not that good and the receivers dropped a few.

[sharpe1027]

When teams have shit offenses, they try to do what we just did, shorten the game. If you're successful with that strategy, it can artificially inflated defense stats like yardage that don't take pace of the game into consideration. Additionally, teams that score more force the other team to be more aggressive leading to more total yards, but hopefully also more turnovers.

Looking at dvoa as the metric, our defense last year wasn't rated as bad as I thought from just watching the games.

Bring back Barry!

[bobblehead]

When teams have shit offenses, they try to do what we just did, shorten the game. If you're successful with that strategy, it can artificially inflated defense stats like yardage that don't take pace of the game into consideration. Additionally, teams that score more force the other team to be more aggressive leading to more total yards, but hopefully also more turnovers.

Looking at dvoa as the metric, our defense last year wasn't rated as bad as I thought from just watching the games.

Bring back Barry!

So you're telling me that if you close your eyes and trust a stat junkie who anal izes things Barry is ok.

[sharpe1027]

So you're telling me that if you close your eyes and trust a stat junkie who anal izes things Barry is ok.

YES! FiRe hAFlEy!!

[run pMc]

No, Barry was statistically bad also. In all of his seasons as a DC, he's never had a defense rank in the top half. Most DCs with several seasons will luck into one.
His 3rd down defense was very good last year, problem was they let people convert easily on 2nd (or 4th) down. The run defense was bad.

There are statistics that show it's unlikely offenses can convert multiple consecutive 3rd downs -- I presume this is the reason behind bend-don't-break defenses.
That leaves a lot of room for interpretation, and when you look at Barry's D it's like he went for the simplest conclusion - to play a soft, prevent big-play but give up everything else style. I think that partly misses the point. You still have to force the offense to earn things, Barry surrendered them too passively.

I think the deck is stacked against defenses in general because of rule changes, variances in schedule, etc. Until they play their division foes a few times, I don't know if we can make an apples-to-apples comparison of defensive performance.

[MadtownPacker]

The D was active and flying around both games. Seeing an energy level that wasn’t there before. We should at least wait half a season to fire Hafley if the Packers aren’t the #1 defense by then.

[sharpe1027]

Packers 2023 defense was in the top half by DVOA, almost top ten at #11.

[Fritz]

The D was active and flying around both games. Seeing an energy level that wasn’t there before. We should at least wait half a season to fire Hafley if the Packers aren’t the #1 defense by then.

Mad, the voice of restraint.

Will wonders never cease!

I agree that the energy level is better - guys seem to be flying around now. But they've got to fly into the guy with the ball, not past them.

[sharpe1027]

Mad, the voice of restraint.

Will wonders never cease!

I agree that the energy level is better - guys seem to be flying around now. But they've got to fly into the guy with the ball, not past them.

Jacobs forced six missed tackles just himself. I'm not sure we're as bad it may seem as a fan.

[run pMc]

Packers 2023 defense was in the top half by DVOA, almost top ten at #11.

huh, I see this:

The Green Bay Packers finished the 2023 season ranked 10th in points allowed but also 27th in defense DVOA and 21st in PFF defense grade — highlighting the frustrating inconsistencies that eventually led to the dismissal of defensive coordinator Joe Barry.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/packers-8-best-players-on-defense-from-2023-season/


Digging around, it looks like Barry's D went 22nd in 2021, and 20th in 2022 in DVOA... so 2022 was his best year in DVOA. They also ranked below average in EPA/play.
The defense was helped by the offense playing at a very slow rate - Rodgers liked to milk the clock down to 0 and MLF doesn't operate a lot of no-huddle.

I'd also like to remind you of these 2023 gems:

Getting absolutely run over by ATL in Game 2
The Baker Mayfield perfect game at Lambeau
Tommy Cutlets
A terrible Panthers team scoring 30 points and almost beating GB

[Fritz]

Wishing Joe Barely back is like wishing for your hemmhoroid to return.

[sharpe1027]

huh, I see this:

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/packers-8-best-players-on-defense-from-2023-season/


Digging around, it looks like Barry's D went 22nd in 2021, and 20th in 2022 in DVOA... so 2022 was his best year in DVOA. They also ranked below average in EPA/play.
The defense was helped by the offense playing at a very slow rate - Rodgers liked to milk the clock down to 0 and MLF doesn't operate a lot of no-huddle.

I'd also like to remind you of these 2023 gems:

Getting absolutely run over by ATL in Game 2
The Baker Mayfield perfect game at Lambeau
Tommy Cutlets
A terrible Panthers team scoring 30 points and almost beating GB

Looks like the site I looked at was only showing DVOA for one week of 2023. Oops.

In any event, I don't want Barry back. I don't care if we give up the same amount of yards as last year if we are generating a lot more turnovers.

[run pMc]

Anyone wanting Barry back is barking mad.

He was a bad hire and I don't think many liked it from the start. The results were...not good.
I think if an offense is dictating things on their terms only, and you are passively reacting, you're just going to get dogwalked down the field all day.